I just realised I never played Victoria 2.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ต.ค. 2022
- Victoria 3 comes out THIS MONTH thanks to the announced release date. Here's the thing. I've never played Victoria 2. Today, I attempt to rectify this by giving Vic 2 a shot! Turns out, I'm terrible at it. I played as Tunis and had to westernise which went poorly, then colonised, which went okay, then was conquered because my infamy was too high, which went horribly.
I just realised I never played Victoria 2.
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So that's Victoria 2 apparently. Should I play more?
Also, I'm cut off a bunch in this video, that was a rendering thing, not a permanent issue! Promise!
Yes! Please do!
Also: Play U in EU4! Please! It'd be funny... I just want this one thing... you won't hate it I promise
You should but you need to download mods, the game has basically no railroading and gets plain after a lot of playing. GFM is best for this. It adds a bunch of more forms and decisions I would highly recommend it.
Yes, but you should install one of the overhaul mods. HPM at least, but I think most people play GFM these days.
Here are the list of real pain hours nations: Texas, Serbia, Krakow, Greece
you should try converting an eu4 games to vic2 later down the road
Through monumental effort, vast changes to the entire economy and society, Tunis was able to build a cement factory. Not a profitable one, but they did manage to build one.
Average maghrebi W
Start to play Victoria 2 > Pick Tunis > Suffering. But for real without mods not playing majors is a lot of pain in Victoria.
Some secondary powers can also be fun like Sardinia-Piedmont (into Italy), but generally yeah
I played Iran on vanilla and it was really fun. With mods it would have been better but it was still enjoyable without.
@@davidblade15 Honestly the whole point of S-P is to become a great power (in the form of Italy).
Brazil without mods was too weird for me so i never played again...
@@makiskanyt9269 Yeah, Mods definitely _make_ Victoria 2.
Never played Vic2 yet plays an incredibly hard nation to start.
Laiths masochism is really shining through.
"Every time I look at the Balkans, I swear there's a new nation!"
Vicky 2 is a lot more historically accurate than I thought
watching him never touch the tariff slider was painful
he also never set a national focus
right?
It might've actually been good, since he was importing some pop life needs, so if he did set them, i don't think his people would be happy about it (no life needs = LOTS OF MILITANCY)
Tariff slider is fairly useless for an unciv anyways as you just get sphered and can't charge tariffs on goods exported or imported from your sphere leader
Well see, Liz Truss wouldn't allow him to have any taxation so
Playing Tunis as your first game damn, you really do love pain
See that was always the biggest problem with V2. Certain countries should be hard, sure, but never painful. Playing unwesternized nations in V2 was *terrible*.
@@LaFonteCheViis
@@LaFonteCheVi not to sound weird, but i konda like this, you cant conquer whole world as some backwater barely able to exist country (unlike in hoi4 for example), this game about empires and secondary countries for the moat part
In the pre-EUIV Paradox games there are countries that are straight-up unplayably bad. They've done a lot (arguably too much in some games and regions) to make basically any playable country somewhat viable in their later games, but when you go back far enough there are plenty of games where there's legitimately no reason to play most of the tags in the vanilla game.
Base game EU4 ain't so great in that regard either. DLC makes up for it.
Ultimately when vic3 released everybody can huessed which region or part will get dlcs
I remember my first long campaign of Vicky 2. I formed Super Germany. I created an empire bordering Paris and Moscow. At the end date, there was a massive rebellion, and the game just showed me the end card. lol
What a cliffhanger.
Bro got annexed by his own people
super germany ?
@@fish5671 if you form germany with austria on your sphere of influence you annex them, you need to occupy them a long time in a war so they drop to secondary power first
@@pedroprado8324 i thought you could only annex the smaller german states, cool
Despite it's difficulty Victoria 2 is really fun when you get into it. Great video as always
So which one is harder eu4 or vic2? Both sound a lot alike.
Depends on what you wanna do, Victoria 2 is much better at simulating economics and politics but eu4 is fun to go to war in and have longer term goals such as forming a nation
@@GwainSagaFanChannel would say depends on the nation one plays as and the goals. But i can say vic2 has sort of a meta strategy so probably easier
@@GwainSagaFanChannel vic2 is far harder to get your hands on and even when you do it can be much more punishing than eu4
The ai is dumb so that's a plus
@@GwainSagaFanChannel vic 2 is harder to learn but eu4 has more mechanics
Vic2 is like a spreadsheet about a map and it’s very fun
Thats basically any other Paradox game
@@gustavosanches3454 No other Paradox games that I can think of where the economy is fully dynamic on a spreadsheet, closest we have of late is EU4's trade but the prices don't actually fluctuate or crash as a result of the game, population behavior, and lack of resources in the game. There are no recessions in EU4, there are just barely any in Vic2.
@@Spartan322 ok, and other paradox games are simpler spreasheets with maps.
@@gustavosanches3454 Aside from the crusader kings franchise and only after CK2 regardless, before that spreadsheets were only one part of the game, unless you count having an interface like a spreadsheet, but personally I wouldn't.
@@Spartan322 paradox games are still spreadsheets with maps. That's their thing. The core game design is basically the same across all games. Each game has its thing it does better than other pdx games, but they're still the same core game design. They might rename what your currencies and what specifically they purchase but you're not breaking the mold. If you understand 1 pdx game you can quickly figure out any other one
Vanilla Victoria2 is cursed
I would recommend HPM or HFM mods, they vastly improve the game it's just a bit difficult to get them
Wdym? Did something happen to them? I got them with no issues a few months ago.
@@acegamergoldie1008 I'm more just saying that it isn't like on steam workshop but you have to manually put them in
I'd recommend BAI first sense it's easier to get into.
@@shadithakis yeah but its quite easy
@@JesusChrist-bx8ge what’s that
When you start in new map game, always pick your first nation according to your nationality. Thats the meta.
Fuck, so as Pole I have to start with Kraków. :D
@@Hadar1991 You could also try something fun of starting as russia and releasing/playing as poland or the commonwealth.
@@hunterwest1535 technically I am from the Prussian part of Poland so to be the most patriotic I should start as Prussia and release Greater Poland if it is possible even 😅
@@Hadar1991 the true super power. The Ulm of Victoria 2
Self destructive behaviour to play Tunis in first ever Vicky2 game
I played quite a bit of Vic2 and seeing you play it like a total beginner is quiet a sight to behold.
Vic2 is basically a tabletop eu4 if it was made on an extremely low budget and by a group of retired accountants who have a kink for numbers and graphics
And Pie Charts and Sliders
I can't even begin to describe how much of a clown you are
> plays Tunis
> first thought on what to do with grain is "producing alcohol"
Fun fact, I'm pretty sure this was recorded today. Also, Laith has been bugged about this for literal months. Also, Kine, I miss you. Didn't know you left the discord. You were fun.
Bro, I am just reading comments
I’ve never played Victoria 2, but I’m quite impressed that you managed to do so well with a nation that’s supposedly impossible to play
Editing on this video is so fast paced it feels like I'm speedreading a textbook in video form.
you always need to use your national focus (the green circle on the pop square on top left).
most of this game is population management, and it helps you getting more of an pop in a province.
Yea... you need HPM at bare minimum to play Victoria 2 nowadays.
HFM and GFM are also really good (with GFM pretty much replacing HFM nowadays)
This was probably my favourite video of yours in a while. I'd love to see some more Vic on the channel
I really suspected you never played Vicky 2 either. I loved playing V3 a PDXCON, but I will just wait for it to come out.
Use Hpm mod it makes the game 1000 times better
Laith, you always do max taxation if you can because your "effective taxation" will be determined by your administrative efficiency (and I think also tech, but not sure), which will always be less.
You should've played as the US. Also, try the GFM mod. As the US you can annex all of Mexico in one war!
By far the best Paradox streamer in my opinion. Cant wait to see you play Viccy 3
I was so pleased when you finally learned to pay you soldiers! I was about to rage at the screen at you needlessly fighting with 0 morale because your troops had neevr been paid before hahaha
jsyk, the x in xhosa is a dental click. press your tongue to the back of your teeth and pull back rapidly. if i heard correctly the click you did was alveolar (denoted by a q in xhosa)
The best way to play is definitely with mods, base game vicky is pretty "unflavoured"
If Laith really wants to learn Vic2, how I first familiarized myself with the game was, in this order:
Brazil, United States, Japan, Germany.
Brazil is a really chill game, where I'm large enough to not be wiped out, and also being able to choose to just focus on South America, and/or also colonize Africa and Asia.
United States is just bigger Brazil with way more flavour. PLAYING VANILLA USA IS HORRENDOUS, PLEASE PLAY WITH THE HPM MOD FOR THE US. Vanilla US, when the Civil War is about to start, spams you with hundreds of events that could last a decade or two and won't stop until the civil war is triggered.
HPM removes these events, and I think replaces them with more consolidated effects.
Japan is the easiest to westernize, though Persia is relatively easy as well (though if any of the bigger powers want to take you land, you're screwed, be it the UK, Russia, or randomly Spain). For Japan, westernize, industrialize, conquer Korea, eat up China, and expand into SEA.
Germany is the influence game, the unification mechanic. They're also really powerful, being able to cheese your way into also annexing all of Austria by full sieging them for a few years and making them drop down from Great Power. Forming Italy is pretty fun as well.
thanks for this video man. havent had the best time of it lately. 👋 hope you enjoy your game!
if you want to play more vic2, i would recommend: belgium, paraguay, mexico, japan, persia, or bavaria. all less difficult but still hard to do anything impressive
I would say a country that would be harder than Tunis is a south/central Asia minor particularly Khiva.
I decided to play yesterday. Played as Denmark and yellow Prussia just invaded me
No dlc vanilla ? :(
I love this thumbnail. More in the future, please! Victoria 3 also when it comes out
Be super fun to see you try a colab with one of the Vic channels and get them as a tutor
NOT THE BASE GAME 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
For a beginner nation, Sweden is pretty great. You start with a small, but well educated population. You can easily stay a Secondary Power throughout the entire game, but becoming a Great Power isnt a huge issue as you can unite Scandinavia.
Also, V2 is pretty bare flavor wise, so consider using the mod GFM for your next campaign.
I really would LOVE to see you play more Viccy. Small advice though: vanilla Viccy is a pain, even more when playing small nations, even more playing uncivs. Use a mod like HFM or GFM. I recommend GFM because more content. They make the game much more playable and less like 2010 wierdness
laith just casually sending tunesian peasants with sticks into his colonial adventures in south africa. this is exactly why i watch this channel.
and in the end he sits on 37 infamy and almost 8 militancy. i expected nothing less.
if you want a great power campaign for the next episode instead of destilled pain and suffering i recommend either prussia into germany or japan into bigger japan. both are pretty fun to play.
Victoria 2 was the second Paradox game I ever played and i understand your struggle so I'll help you:
The game was created before Paradox was in the mindset of alt-history so don't play nations that historically got stomped like Tripoli, there are a few exceptions to this rule, Mexico can get sphered by the USA during the Texan war of indipendence and if it has the US will not join the war and will not attack Mexico with the manifest destiny casus belli and Egypt can attrition the Ottomans until it can beat their armies.
Some fun nations you can play include:
Any great power (Prussia is the one with the most potential), Sardinia-Piedmont because it has events and decisions geared towards forming Italy, Japan because it can westernise decently quickly and then has got a big juicy China to colonise and The Netherlands (my favorite nation to play) because you get an easy alliance with Prussia so you can easily take out Belgium with the claims you have and then you are in a good position to colonise both Indonesia and Africa.
Quick tip about colonization: the priorities (as any nation) are the central, Southern and eastern parts of Africa because of their great resources, if you can you should also colonise Indonesia, lastly, be sure to colonise that nation north of Singapore because it produces precious metals which are great resources.
Vic 2 my favorite paradox game. So happy to see you make a video but so sorry for the suffering you WILL suffer. Who knows maybe you might prove me wrong.
If you play mods some railroad France to kill Tunis (you)
A tip playing uncivilized... Always take the reforms that give research points when conquering. Once you got the first reform you kill anyone weaker than you.
NO ONE IS WEAKER THAN ME
@@TheSocialStreamers There was a Zulu run that I watched and basically it involved sending men to South East Asia to conquer those weak Provinces.
Moral of story the world is your oster
Edit - The earlier date the better to conquer for there are still weak nations.
@@TheSocialStreamers Also Congratulations on the Successful Tunis run.
If you want to hear how normal vic 2 player would play Tunis here's how.
Your armies are safe to cross over uncolonized land besides the atrition so take full advantage of that.
Start war goal on Oman. Why? They own fine real estate on the Kenyan Coastland. You don't have to kill Oman yet just take its African holdings. Proceed to spend everything on clippers. Constructing them on your new holdings.
Ship them of to South East Asia with what remain of your men where weak counties are. Arabia might also be good candidate.
This was just the jest of what I would have done.
I would give you some tips on how to to play Vic 2 especially with the economy but there is great ten minute videos covering subject.
I would love to see more of this and other Paradox games that are rarely covered even March of the Eagles.
Thank you especially if you read all this.
Also don't delete your units in case of the soldier pops going. Encouraging soldiers will also help your soldier pop problem.
Army comp should have 2 cavaly and about 50/50 Infantry/artillery. To prevent overstacking, see your combat width and increase troops as you progress in tech.
I had a really fun full campaign of EU4 as Hosokawa -> Japan. Controlled China/Japan/Korea/Manchuria fully, while having a couple of Vassal states in the Vietnam/Thailand area, as well as colonies controlling Australia, the East Coast of NA, and Panama. Was the richest and most powerful nation in the game by far, only Spain was close. Thought it would he fun to keep playing when the end date hit. So brought Vici 2 and the converter.
Start up the save in Vici 2 to find a country that was broken, bankrupt, unable to support the military, and technologically backwards because it didn't start in Europe. I quickly closed Vici 2 and haven't touched it since.
This is a very good learning first game.
When Victoria 3 comes out I'd definitely love to see you try playing as Indian Territory
Hey laith, I know you like some elements of micro, so in Victoria ii, make sure to use your national focus to boost your intellectuals to 4% in low literacy states. Click on a state, and in the top rightish, there is an empty tab square you can click to boost different types of pops. It’s a lot of fun with small countries
I would like to see more of Victoria 2!
Couple of tips:
1. Don't play Tunis you turnip
2. You don't need lower taxes for soldiers, you need to pay your soldiers, you had 0 military spending the entire game, aka soldiers salary.
3. Culture techs, do them, all of them. Specifically anything that gives you national focuses or research. Education efficiency is important for most countries as most of them start with low literacy. Don't get prestige tech tough, waste of research.
4.If you are playing as any country with less then 30% literacy, use all of your research on changing that. Unless you expect to be in a war in the next 5 years.
5. DO MEDICINE, it is the best tech in the game. Remember POPs beat everything, anything that gets you more is worth it.
Watching tbat video is painful, please make more
Protip: If you want to avoid shitty events do a save when they pop up and load it.
Tax slider is about tax collection efficiency. It costs admin modifier to upkeep but will tax your pops properly. 95% of the time you should have it at 100%
Look at him go! Finally he's descending into hell and Iove it ^-^
Get well soon man, and as always thank you for sharing your shenanigans with us!
You did amazingly for your first time. what the heck? xD
I'd watch more Viki 2 if you played it!
Laith really just opened Pandora's Box, cause now people are gonna wanna see more Vic2
Excited to wait until Victoria 3 is on sale and maybe then in my price range!
1300~ hrs in Vic 2 and am VERY excited for Vicky 3
And here I was trying you to teach you this game for the longest time
Loved how you didn't have
A clue, interesting video because of that
20:52 wait until you see Super Germany
You should find some mods, as vanilla vic 2 is incredibly cursed, bland and nigh unplayable. Historical Project Mod (HPM) or Historical Flavor Mod (HFM) are a good start, they add a whole lot of flavor and prevent the AI from colonizing horribly, like the US penetrating Canada.
Idea for a Eu4 video: Hormuz trade empire! Only hold the Oman area, and centers of trade. You got trade focused NIs and the east is RICH :D
Can’t wait to put the children to work in the mines in Vic 3
Laith has entered the point of no return.
The Victoria 2 equivalent of an Australian native
a few suggestions for playing a none civilized nation in vic 2, you need to use your focus to increase your learning/literacy rate. You do this by click a province, you will see a little box, top right of the pop up box giving you all the info of the province, click that and choose clergymen, you want the percentage for the clergymen to be at least 2% but for uncivilized nations, 4% will help get you civilized faster. Also, as a none civilized nation, you do not have to worry about bankruptcy happening in your nation (i think that is a base game thing, I play a lot of mods) as your nation does not know what bankruptcy even is.
oh, i forgot to say, I suggest doing the financial upgrades when your economy is doing good because that is what allows your country to go into bankruptcy.
also, forgot to say, if a European spheres you, your economy will crash because who ever sphered you, gets first dibs on the products of your nation, but at like half of the cost they would pay other countries.
super excited for VIC3
Civilized Nations are always a higher rank than uncivilized. So the mere act of civilizing helped boost your rank considerably (plus makes it's more costly to take territory from you).
Using your national foci to boost clergy is super helpful as they are responsible for tech point generation and literacy. 2% of total population is good enough for full tech points, but higher numbers helps increase literacy.
Bureaucrats help with taxes and also are needed if things like Healthcare reform are passed.
Tariffs also help early game for revenue, but they make it more costly for your pops to import goods.
Taxes at max aren't actually 100% of a pops income. There is a real tax rate shown in the tool tip that can be improved overtime to get more tax revenue. (E.g. 100% rate start of game is roughly ~20% real tax rate)
Japan is always one of my favorites in Victoria 2 I would say it would be worth trying
You have completly missed the most important mechanic of the game for about 80 years, the national focus ( encouraging pops).
If you had encouraged clergy in Tunis ( clergy are basically teachers) until they reached the 4 per cent efficiency cap, you would have around 99 literacy towards the end of the game, you would have more research points and techs, and your pops would be richer and better.
11:00 whoever was in charge of Great Britain at the time looking at Ireland after the potato blight famine.
Spoiler he was wrong
Me seeing bordergore in Europe: HOW DARE YOU
Me realising it is Germany on it's way to super germany eat Austria: Understandable sir, you have a nice day.
If you ever were to play again I'd recommend playing with the hpm mod, it makes the game a lot better
7:50 Congress of Berlin 1878 (colorised)
Well, Tunis really needs to be contained. Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam!
First rule of victoria 2, never go past 25 infamy
The lack of encouraging clergy hurt
As if they didnt bring the newspaper thing to viccy 3 that is so cool
Ngl, this is a pretty spreadsheet.
Wait, what happened at the end there? We’re each of those boxes separate war decs
Still have the transparent hair. I love it
Tinned food factory gang rise up and jacobin rage now
70 years into the game and he already understands RGO and factory output synergy better than the AI.
if youre playing vicky 2, gfm, hfm, hpm, like one of these mods are NECESSARY for this game to be playable
This was the first Bethesda game I played.
Playing Tunis in vic2 I see you like pain
the absolute madlad
"everytime i look at the balkans i swear theres a new nation"
welcome to the ottoman empire and austria
Nice attempt on Xhosa from Laith but the click its the wrong click sound
how lucky is he to get enough diplo to increase rel with france before they attack
The wars against Tunis are fully justified. Tunis is a menace.
so thats why paradox removed the military out of vicky 3
Always slide your tax to the max and if you're civilized then have an endless war with a minor that you're "losing". Declining the sues for peace will make people angry which will make your gov pass reforms super early. If you don't like how the map looks you could also play Throne of Aquitaine. (vic2 mod)
edit:also max tariffs, the only time you want them down is when you have focused on capitalists and have thousands that won't build if tariffs are too high. Aside from that, if you put tariffs down then your factories will use goods other than your own to make things. And I don't know if you know this but factories get higher output if their input resource is in the same province as the factory.(i.e. fruit province goes with wine factory. coal+glass, wheat+beer. Don't get past 25 infamy.
Phew, blue Prussia. You didnt do the same mistake as MATN and going in without expansions :D
Honestly for having never played the game before and picking a minor uncivilized nation which in Victoria 2 are actively painful to do anything with I would actually say you did really well.
YES!!!! Finally, he plays Victoria 2. But next time, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE download a mod like HPM, HFM, TGC or GFM because vanilla Victoria 2 is extremely barebones in comparison.
viccie 3 coming soon lets goo
What you talking about
Didn't even use his focus which is like the main way you can influence what pops you have
💀 just could’ve waited for Victoria 3
The editing on this makes Laith seem like he's having a speed trip and trying to right the wrongs of the world. What if... what if... what if...