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1:11 No. Democracy doesn't mean 'government of the people, by the people for the people. This applies more to socialism. Democracy means; the will of the majority. And only applies to a restricted range of choices; with heavily swayed opinions.
I suspected we had the same opinion lol. People are literally retarded on 90% of things, yet open their mouth anyway. There’s so many immature ego problems.
Socrates also warned us about the dangers of democracy. When everyone is allowed to vote without demonstrating any competence, you just end up with demagogy.
Wrong, democracy typically leads to socialism and marxism which then in turn leads to a false kind of capitalism, token capitalism under ESG metrics (environmental, social, and governmental) where deeds matter more, without the presence of any fiat currency.
@@BabyKumari-eb4gv Democracy is based on constitution. We need new constitutions not copied borrowed ones which can adapt rapidly to new technologies. Our constitutions are too old and outdated ammendments are too slow. Monarchy really? It should be in museums not functional
When he was young he used to speak fast ......and he began to speak publicly at the age of 21 now in this video he is 58 bcz he is speaking in USA Ashram and when he came to India at the age of 59 he died so try to understand he did nothing only speak .....and he was ill at that time ........gr8 Osho
@@HenrikMyrhaugHe does so for a reason. The people are retarded. And how do you talk to kids/slow individuals..? On a serious note, sure if you’re talking fast it’s super effective for debates. But when you’re genuinely trying to make a point, it’s best to do so in a way that’s absolutely clear for all. Especially when what you’re saying is something you believe to be true, and valuable.
Almost everyone agrees with this idea, because people are retarded but nobody thinks they are retarded. Which is the real reason we need democracy and why the argument Osho makes fails. Decisions made by the masses tend to cancel out the extremes and prevent retarded people from destroying society.
@@BIGAPEGANGLEADER every political party in every democratic country I'm familiar with is turning to demagogy and it's fucking bad, the dumb people don't "cancel out" that's the weirdest thing I've heard all day
@@erlandochoa8278 he said that the extremes cancel out, not the dumb cancel out. Everyone is dumb so you cant cancel that.. The problem is that the middle point is to close to one extreme
@@tocraft573Yeah I understand what you mean, but hes the one that tell the truth to the world. For his braveness telling the truth, i give him applause 😂
The way he speaks, people like this are the reason I discovered "ASMR". This was the legit thing. sitting in a large room, listening to someone speak with calm and serenity in their voices.
he suggested the universities. Perhaps ther ewill be organizations that can certify people at various levels, based on background, passing certain tests, etc. (like we see for drs and lawyers). Once certified in this way, the people will then have the right to influence certain decisions (perhaps this is just a "stratified democracy"). Indeed, the problem is that you ultimately will have some form of democracy or "open-source" system even in this mystical "meritocracy". His point about politicians in modern democracies is still absolutely valid though.
Problem is, the qualities that lead a person to pursue power and the ones that lead to pursue wisdom don't overlap. Attaining power trough greed and selfishness is much easier to do that trough intelligence and kindesss. In this society, greed breeds money, money breeds power. This isn't going to change anytime soon in my opinion.
I tend to agree with your statement, but I rather wish to view this as the basis on how to view the problem, and as the base to formulate the solution for it. You have helped me gain such a good insight on politics today, all thanks to your comment . Ty
Of course that does not come naturally. If we let things are naturally, then we will still be living in monarchies. History progressed, and will progress. Historical progresses are often brutal. Europe does much better of meritocracy than anywhere else on the planet.
Of course it won’t change, that’s the capitalist meat grinder that keeps the world superpowers in power. Wisdom is lost on the sociopaths at the very top of the food chain.
hm indeed, maybe "force" (similar to jury duty) the participation of suitable individuals in decision-making roles for a set period of time -or dilute the burden of power by distributing specific government duties or decisions to groups of suitable individuals. The problem remains of course to agree on a transparent and fair set of criteria for identifying such individuals, but I think, especially now, we have the technological tools to help overcome practical obstacles for this, more than ever.
And that’s why you have to set up litigation to make it aware people who are money, hungry can’t step on the scale to make things easier for themselves, which they have been doing, you have to make it un interesting and unprofitable, to be in government, you have to make it where government jobs don’t make you large amounts of money to do them, you have to make it where no one has too much power and too much influence too many spheres of influence. When there’s a bunches of checks and balances and every person is individually in control of one thing and nothing else, then it’s easier to make sure that this happens. Rich people would get bored of politics and government if there was no money in it, serving the people should be a payment in itself and shouldn’t be something that people get into to make them millionaires.
So is a collection of hive mind restarted sheeps in modern times trust be the leader is never or raerly seen . Only sheeps think they have a say they make a difference thats what the othes need
We have already gone through that enough times. "The worst and most potentially harmful form of governance, executed in the best way possible", unrestricted and uncontrolled socialism.
Imo the best way should be people voting for every competent person and they have the force to make referendums to evict them in case the majority think badly of them (like if they get caught in an embezzlement case, using the laws to gain advantages etc which lowers their reputation, obviously) And I think it shouldn't be only limited by people who have degrees, it's far too easy to segregate the poor and rich this way and/or have indoctrination/bullshit universities.
This guy without any verbal gymnastics says the most intelligent things in the most profoundly simple way. No over strenuous exercise of intellect, just pure, sincere, genius.
This is the first time I've heard this man. But I've shared this view on democracy for many years. Most people are not capable of even managing their own simple lives. Why should they choose who runs a city, state or country? There should be basic testing before you are allowed to vote. You need to demonstrate at least average intelligence, or have a level of education, etc. Politicians should not be able to run for office without at least as much training as a teacher, or hopefully at least a plumber....
I work in an emergency room. Do you have any idea the caliber of people that walk through those ER doors?? Like you said, they can't even run their own lives. Meanwhile, because they were simply born on US soil (some of them not even that) they have the same voting power as you and I? Whaaaa?
Ways to improve upon democracy, either with reform or more radical changes, are certainly warranted, as Osho goes all the way with and you propose a mechanism for. The devil is in the details, as always, though... Who determines which questions are intelligence indicators? Unfortunately, from my experience in psychology research, there are no unbiased questions. But certainly the status quo is inadequate, and improvements are only bound to come, with better ideas from humanity and courage.
We tried. The tests only functioned to strip voting rights from those with worse education A.K.A the poor, the downtrodden, and repressed minorities. This was one of if not the most important issues of the Civil Rights movement.
Summary :- Osho said here ''Democracy means government by the people, of the people, for the people. Democracy has failed. A plumber needs to have certification (training), but the president of America doesn't. Instead, the geniuses of the world should be in government. Universities should create politicians, and be the central forces of power. I call it 'Meritocracy'. It is the future.
All government methods have failed, not only democracy. Will it be different for meritocracy? There is plenty of people with "certification" who are not meritable. I wait for the phase following meritocracy, will it be "awarenesscracy", at last?
Osho has given already humanity a clear vision about the New future. It's collected in a precious little book with the titel: 'Manifest for a golden future.'
Only such retards like him care about his retarded monologue. He has a good point, democracy is not perfect. Everyone with half a brain cell knows it. It doesn't mean he is not one of those retarded. His problem was that all along that with his bs he couldn't sell enough and he realized that governments are not perfect. In my personal opinion, monarchies were better. More simple and also more human. The vast majority are indeed dumb. Today, they are more free and it causes a lot of problems. Back then they were happy if they got a piece of land to work on and their biggest dream was having kids that can help them with the work. People had very little rights, they lived by a handful of laws, they knew their places. But the greed of a few overthrow their rules for more power almost everywhere. They promised more to the people which they received. People today live better than ever, but the cost is too high. We can't upkeep this. Overpopulation, resources running out. They know they should control the population because it is going to be catastrophic otherwise. What they do? The 2 government that tried it, stopped it because they realised they are losing money and it's going to make their system to collapse. Which is going to collapse anyway due to the overpopulation, but they literally leave it to the next generations to solve that. And all the rest of the governments never realy cared. They all live today. Who cares what's going to be in 30 years.. Am I wise now for pointing out things that everyone (should) know?
This is the reason, you are the most admired individual on this earth because no veda of present preechers explains or give clarity of life like you that is the reason you are there in many hearts because you spoke from heart
He's right but now meritocracy can't be achieved ... The only way to achieve meritocracy is that every person becomes meritorious ( at least majority ) 👍👍👍
I mean look at how we failed to even achieve MLK's dream. "Judge not by the color of your skin but the content of your character" *schools proceed to bring back segregation and punish people based on the color of their skin*
Meritocracy of humanity as first stepping stone for all other merits of human then all human prosperous. Osho means awareness. Awareness of life is best meritocracy
After all, achievement of any kind is completely and utterly useless. Yeah, it may benefit the system, but it's a system propped up by the "retarded." Real achievement is found on the inside.
osho don't know anything about finance, education system and technology , why are you saying he should be a president just because he can speak well , it was a bad joke hahah
@@navjoshshergill668 It is okay. Our Prime Minister is once a tea seller. All that Osho has to do is run the cabinet and the cabinet runs the House and the House represents people. As he said the same thing Socrates said but then they both were wrong. Athens had failed. Meritocracy creates class and History repeates.
This was a great speech. He is right too.. I had to store this up all the way in our to get through it though. In ADHD BUT LOVE TO LEARN.. so when people talk too slow my chain cannot process what is being said... So speeding this up was PERFECT... Great speech. Wise man
I've been saying on comments and blogs for over a year that we need minimum requirements for the job of president, senator, governor. I hadn't realized though, OSHO's clarity on types of government and failure of democracy. He makes so much sense - yes, democracy has failed, that doesn't mean other existing forms of govt. must replace it - communism, fascism, Marxism...those are worse. We need something new that is progress, not a regression - meritocracy. I hadn't ever thought or realized that option before.
I totally agree that democracy gives rise to a nation state that keeps its citizens dumb (like we have now), and meritocracy is desired, but putting power in the hands of universities is the worst idea I have heard yet for meritocracy. Anyone who has had a power hungry bitter teacher can attest that these people are not suitable to handle positions of power over others. Transparency and decentralisation are the keys to a working functional governance system.
A genius who speaks just truth. His words are so true even today and will be always. But unfortunately the world has not changed nor there is any hope.
"Merit" can also be called as "privileges " because privileges leads to fulfillment of person capabilities in today's world,especially in countries where divide is big . Certainly osho was not talking about merit in this regard ,merit underlying with equality and opportunities he was talking about.
Rajneesh’s only qualification is a Master of Arts in Philosophy. His whole career was built on a predatory business of mysticism. The idea is interesting here, but it undermines the, “for the people,” point of democracy: if it’s only intellectuals representing the population and passing legislation on their behalf, there’s no particular incentive for that leadership to truly work effectively for segments of the population they don’t understand and can’t relate to. This elitist argument is actually also classist under the hood. It leaves out the working class almost by default. In any case, the meme is still entertaining 😂
Intellectuals usually have more mental capacity to UNDERSTAND others, unlike the mentally limited who can't even understand themselves and mostly only see the narrow road of any self-serving interests.
China has an interesting take on this: The party is more of a meritocratic institution than a political party (as it'd be very difficult to define it as people sharing an ideological worldview). And boy has the party succeeded in governing China. This comes with horrible drawbacks though, such as Xinjiang concentration camps.
@@edinfific2576 This is a delusional idea of what most intellectuals are. Intellectuals are just as prone to cognitive biases and self-interest as anyone else which is why intellectuals were the strongest supporters of some of the worst political ideas of the last century.
There are no perfect solutions but there are certainly better solutions. I personally don't think it's very efficient to have your country led based upon popularity. I think only the most intelligent, most competent , most qualified people should be leading. Kept in check under guidlines that prevents totalitarianism.
@@joni1405 Well then, time to find empathetic, righteous intellectuals. Maybe it's very hard to find but I'm pretty confident that some people fit that description...
@@hinglemccringleberry7265 The universities became breeding grounds for ideologues. They are always angry for some reason and can't tolerate any difference of opinion. They get offended over simple things and are simply insufferable. Of course not everyone but the most.
@@muralin239 As someone at university I completely disagree with your statement. Yes there are a few people like that but it's a tiny minority. The only people at my university I know who are like that I only know indirectly through people taking the piss out of them, I don't know any personally. Additionally it assumes all universities are equal. There is a stark difference between the people at the likes of oxbridge and the people who go to what are essentially polytechnics. Polys will allow anyone in but the high end universities are more selective with their cohort. I do agree that selecting people to run the country based solely on the fact that they went to university is a bad idea for a plethora of reasons but your perception of university students being all SJWs is wrong. I completely understand why you think that, I thought it might be like that too before I actually started because of what I had seen on the internet but I was wrong. I think the reason is a totally normal person at university isn't interesting so no one talks about it but when you see some weirdo yelling about safe spaces that's disturbing so people talk about it and it spreads which means that the only university students who you are exposed to are the most bizarre ones, kinda like how you never hear about the millions of successful flights every month but you always hear about the one or two crashes where everyone on the plane died. If you didn't know anyone who had been on a plane you might assume that they're dangerous death traps because that's all you hear about.
Watching this in 2023, it's so much easier to see his point with all the crazy and stupid people in the world having a large platform to spread their thoughts and ideas. And these people end up having so much influence over tens of millions of people.
It's an anti democratic political position. The technique is to first define democracy, then argue against the definition being presented. Equally valid arguments can be presented from the pro democratic side. However, because we've presented divergent definitions, we're actually talking past each other. In this kind of political argument, ultimately we're arguing whether "democracy" should be interpreted as a good or bad word. I say good! The definition "of the people, by the people, for the people" is a somewhat accurate definition. However, the problem of how to get inside the mind of "the people" is not addressed here. Simply dismissing "the people" as "retarded" is not producing any solutions, it's creating more problems! "The people" is not a person - it's an abstraction. Conclusions about the will of "the people" can be arrived at only by enduring the arduous task of carefully listening to, and observing many individual persons. The average person does not know what's in the mind of "the people", in fact no individual person does! It's far too complicated a topic for just one person. This gentleman thinks "the people" are too retarded to govern, I think he's no exception to the rule. The best we can do is make good faith, open minded attempts to understand "the people", and we need a whole community of likeminded persons working constantly to reach these determinations, as well as the trust of the populace being governed.
Just a suggestion, The words from Masters are always misunderstood by 99.999% of the people, and Osho's words are no exception. In this talk, Osho was actually responding to this question: {BELOVED MASTER, IN WHAT WAY DO YOU ENVISAGE DEMOCRACY PLAYING A PART IN YOUR COMMUNES?} Osho had no interest in talking about democracy nor governments, as most people would be interested in. Osho was just saying:[Democracy is not a goal in his commune.] Democracy could be a good thing, but it has no place in Art, in Religion, in Meditation, in Zen.... If you do not provide the full context, many people would be confused, why in the very beginning Osho said:[Democracy is not the highest goal.] Especially for people not familiar with Osho, now it looks like Osho is against Democracy. Try to show the original question as well, do not cut it from the video, because it may be other people's questions too. Osho's response was only meaningful for that specific question, in that specific context. Thank you so much~
The question was about the commune but his answer was much more broad, holistic. It doesn't invalidate the question though, as it applies to both his commune and the humanity at large. And even if the majority misunderstands it , well this only again confirms Osho's insight on the failure of democracy itself, doesn't it ;) p.s. It is not the first time Osho talks about the majority of humanity; in one of his lectures he also says, to paraphrase him, : "" Whenever you see a crowd, run away from it, as it consists mainly of fools."
not my definition of "disaster". I would call that progression, one that not everyone agrees on. Universities will also find solutions to the problems of biological men competing in women's sports because it lies in the interest of women's empowerment. The very liberal influence that those few loud units of university have are from the current people in positions of staff, but the apparatus of university itself is not responsible.
@@bhavyakukkar Problem is the universities are ideologically captured institutions not operating on logic. They don't represent the general population or their interests, on the contrary they often depend on the population for funding by force via taxes.
1 - Being smart isn't a guarantee that a person will be willing to act for his or her people, for his or her nation... 2 - Being good at school isn't a guarantee that you would be a good stateperson, writing a good essay and having a A grade won't certify you're able to make some hard but necessary decisions, that you will understand how life works and predict events. I know peoples who are very good at learning their lessons but have lacks at reasoning or thinking by themselves. 3 - If school becomes your center or power, it will become corrupted and the way peoples are selected will be based on ideology or some attitude like being a good slave. This is already the case in some countries and in some différents degrees. 4 - If you need a certificate or a licence to become president, well, same problem as above. Long live the Chad King.
You are absolutely correct. That is why we should not seek for a bunch of people in suits to control our lives, it does not matter if they are politicians or members of a university. Decentralization is the goal. Decentralization is the only way the individuality of each person can be respected. You do not like the rules of the place where you live in? Great, go to an other place with rules that you like. Anarchy is the only ethical and "not retarded" way of living in society.
When you say "it was better than its predecessors" that actually means that democracy is the best type of goverment until now. Maybe there will better forms of goverment in the future. But now the democracy is the best like it or not.
Well I'd say no government is better than any government. It's known as self government. I govern mine and you govern yours. You might say but that is lawlessness, and yes it is, but it's better. If people then want to join together in communities they should be able to, but people should also be able to chose to live free of any obligations towards others if they so chose, and no one should be able to enforce their beliefs upon others, bullets are a very useful item.
I admire your ability to question your own way of thinking and build upon it.. We all reach our own answer through our ability to carve and mold ourselves, like how wood and clay can be carved and molded depending on its state. I believe.
Quick disclaimer: the meritocracy he described (rule by the helpful to society) is not the same to "american meritocracy" aka rule by the most successful. A big problem with that is you can be more successful, the more flexible your moral compass becomes.
I fully agree with his point of view. Geniuses won't want to bring themselves down to the level of populist politicians but meritocracy is still plagued by politics and greed. It probably won't work well in real life because everyone is prone to corruption. We can see how universities are elitists and they are still plagued with scandals, old school views and sometimes radical and unrealistic schools of thought. If meritocracy is adapted, some geniuses won't be able to work in governments because their genius cannot be recognised by the university system, or what they are advantageous in, may not be reflected in the other aspects which are what's tested by the universities. So there must be another avenue for people of different talents to be recognised for their uniqueness and be used for the good of the public, in the meritocracy system. Governments are slowed down by not only politics, but also their very tedious and wasteful check-and-balance systems, which in turn are exploited by politicians to either speed up or slow down a certain public plan/proposal. There needs to be an efficient but flexible check-and-balance system in whatever form of governance we adapt.
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OSHO: Is Democracy the Best Way of Government? It could have some potential if brainwashing wasn't involved.
0:20 Exactly! I agree! Democracy is only a means of settling a debate! With no argument; it is not necessary!
1:11 No. Democracy doesn't mean 'government of the people, by the people for the people. This applies more to socialism. Democracy means; the will of the majority. And only applies to a restricted range of choices; with heavily swayed opinions.
Thank you for sharing.
LLB
Osho said ''People are retarded.'' Then he stared calmly and silently at the audience for 8 seconds without blinking. :-)
I suspected we had the same opinion lol. People are literally retarded on 90% of things, yet open their mouth anyway. There’s so many immature ego problems.
See 1:13 to 1,24. (Whole point = 0:46 to 1,44)
How did he keep a straight face? You've got to love him.
@@WeAreAllOneNature an example of Integrity + fearlessness
I am just learning about Osho and first I think his comedic timing is perfect
Video are slowed. Try 1.5 speed and u ll understand why they did it
Socrates also warned us about the dangers of democracy. When everyone is allowed to vote without demonstrating any competence, you just end up with demagogy.
Wrong, democracy typically leads to socialism and marxism which then in turn leads to a false kind of capitalism, token capitalism under ESG metrics (environmental, social, and governmental) where deeds matter more, without the presence of any fiat currency.
@@sixzerozero3187 correct...I think we need monarchy+democracy. That means some good ideas from monarchy and democracy...that will be a good idea
@@BabyKumari-eb4gv Democracy is based on constitution. We need new constitutions not copied borrowed ones which can adapt rapidly to new technologies. Our constitutions are too old and outdated ammendments are too slow. Monarchy really? It should be in museums not functional
@@sumitraizada7270 so...finally......We need Dynamic Democracy like dynamic meditation 😊☺️
you end up with demagogy anyway
the man is brilliant!!
not only does he choose his words wisely but can get paid for an 4 hour lecture with one hour of content!!
rite
Even watching at 2x speed, I found he talks incredibly slow! But he has a point.
When he was young he used to speak fast ......and he began to speak publicly at the age of 21 now in this video he is 58 bcz he is speaking in USA Ashram and when he came to India at the age of 59 he died so try to understand he did nothing only speak .....and he was ill at that time ........gr8 Osho
@@HenrikMyrhaugHe does so for a reason. The people are retarded.
And how do you talk to kids/slow individuals..?
On a serious note, sure if you’re talking fast it’s super effective for debates. But when you’re genuinely trying to make a point, it’s best to do so in a way that’s absolutely clear for all. Especially when what you’re saying is something you believe to be true, and valuable.
He had around 600+ books to his name which are transcribed from his many long discourses covering various topics in the context of spirituality. 😂
anyone listening to this on normal speed
i salute you for your patience
Athank you!
It's the only way to do it. His cadence and delivery is important. It's effects are lost on faster viewing speeds.
It's meant for Democratic minds
I forgot i could change the speed.. thank you 😄😄
Thanks mates.
Me talking during school presentations to reach the required speaking time
Me when
@@bobmarkersonit's been a year, stop keeping us in suspense
@@2_OPHalflife 3 all over again
@@2_OPMe when I
Loool
Wow, this is literally like hearing your inner thoughts read out loud, word for word. Never knew there were so many people who felt the same way.
Almost everyone agrees with this idea, because people are retarded but nobody thinks they are retarded. Which is the real reason we need democracy and why the argument Osho makes fails. Decisions made by the masses tend to cancel out the extremes and prevent retarded people from destroying society.
@@BIGAPEGANGLEADER I don't know, it seems to be failing in America
@@BIGAPEGANGLEADER every political party in every democratic country I'm familiar with is turning to demagogy and it's fucking bad, the dumb people don't "cancel out" that's the weirdest thing I've heard all day
@@erlandochoa8278 he said that the extremes cancel out, not the dumb cancel out. Everyone is dumb so you cant cancel that.. The problem is that the middle point is to close to one extreme
wow you literally got a heart
I came for the memes and actually found a really interesting argument
Sigma grindset
9gag?
Nop, this simply is the best way of thinking tho I would like to have a argument about it
Same
@@tocraft573Yeah I understand what you mean, but hes the one that tell the truth to the world. For his braveness telling the truth, i give him applause 😂
0:55 - 1:20 was one of the greatest and most truthful speeches I've ever heard.
A wise man once said
@@fawkumean378 only fools rush in
@@miguelgildesouzagomesperei2805 but i can't help
@@lancestryker falling in love with you
I can't believe that odd, dare I say retarded silence after he says retarded lol
The way he speaks, people like this are the reason I discovered "ASMR". This was the legit thing. sitting in a large room, listening to someone speak with calm and serenity in their voices.
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Take a shot every time he blinks!
You’ll be stone sober by the end of the video….
Hey that's not true you'll get like 4 or 5 shots out of it
0:47 Peak Sigma male moment.
#OSHOctillionaireGrindset
Peak sugma male moment
Octilionare 😭 that 100 000 000 000 000
We should make AI overlord to govern us
@@Ironworthstriking it reminds me of the mah case
@@mishmash6570 you wouldn't understand, he's on his decillionaire grindset
Life begins where fear end..
Osho.
So can death.
@@whitestone83 death is part of life, living in the fear is almost like death. One can only live by being free.
@Sunita Kumari: Exactly! People will never begin to live their life in the ways that it should be if they're held captive by fear!
Everything depends on HOW the "merit" is going to be defined, and WHO will define it...
Better "Merit" than diversity/inclusivity nonsense that's being pushed rn
It has to been defined, by what it is not, rather than what it is.
he suggested the universities. Perhaps ther ewill be organizations that can certify people at various levels, based on background, passing certain tests, etc. (like we see for drs and lawyers). Once certified in this way, the people will then have the right to influence certain decisions (perhaps this is just a "stratified democracy"). Indeed, the problem is that you ultimately will have some form of democracy or "open-source" system even in this mystical "meritocracy". His point about politicians in modern democracies is still absolutely valid though.
@Hisham Malik we need more qualified people.
@@masterdevoe2519 We need to give black people more chances to be qualified
This dude took the phrase Think before you speak. to a whole new level
😅😅
Problem is, the qualities that lead a person to pursue power and the ones that lead to pursue wisdom don't overlap. Attaining power trough greed and selfishness is much easier to do that trough intelligence and kindesss. In this society, greed breeds money, money breeds power. This isn't going to change anytime soon in my opinion.
I tend to agree with your statement, but I rather wish to view this as the basis on how to view the problem, and as the base to formulate the solution for it. You have helped me gain such a good insight on politics today, all thanks to your comment . Ty
Of course that does not come naturally. If we let things are naturally, then we will still be living in monarchies. History progressed, and will progress. Historical progresses are often brutal. Europe does much better of meritocracy than anywhere else on the planet.
Of course it won’t change, that’s the capitalist meat grinder that keeps the world superpowers in power. Wisdom is lost on the sociopaths at the very top of the food chain.
hm indeed, maybe "force" (similar to jury duty) the participation of suitable individuals in decision-making roles for a set period of time -or dilute the burden of power by distributing specific government duties or decisions to groups of suitable individuals. The problem remains of course to agree on a transparent and fair set of criteria for identifying such individuals, but I think, especially now, we have the technological tools to help overcome practical obstacles for this, more than ever.
And that’s why you have to set up litigation to make it aware people who are money, hungry can’t step on the scale to make things easier for themselves, which they have been doing, you have to make it un interesting and unprofitable, to be in government, you have to make it where government jobs don’t make you large amounts of money to do them, you have to make it where no one has too much power and too much influence too many spheres of influence. When there’s a bunches of checks and balances and every person is individually in control of one thing and nothing else, then it’s easier to make sure that this happens. Rich people would get bored of politics and government if there was no money in it, serving the people should be a payment in itself and shouldn’t be something that people get into to make them millionaires.
You cannot just give control to people without being able to remove them. Event geniuses will get corrupt
So is a collection of hive mind restarted sheeps in modern times trust be the leader is never or raerly seen . Only sheeps think they have a say they make a difference thats what the othes need
Time to abolish the American supreme court then.
We have already gone through that enough times. "The worst and most potentially harmful form of governance, executed in the best way possible", unrestricted and uncontrolled socialism.
They have to be egos selfishless
Imo the best way should be people voting for every competent person and they have the force to make referendums to evict them in case the majority think badly of them (like if they get caught in an embezzlement case, using the laws to gain advantages etc which lowers their reputation, obviously)
And I think it shouldn't be only limited by people who have degrees, it's far too easy to segregate the poor and rich this way and/or have indoctrination/bullshit universities.
I used to believe the same way about democracy, Osho strengthened my belief.
And it also reveals your latent ableism
this talk should be spread as widely as possible.
As slowly as possible
Yeah but everyone has made it into a meme so now everyone thinks he is a supporter of monarchy because of a 5 second clip of him
Even if this goes viral but people Are retarded how they are going to understand
I'd argue "as wisely as possible", not "as widely"
This guy without any verbal gymnastics says the most intelligent things in the most profoundly simple way. No over strenuous exercise of intellect, just pure, sincere, genius.
Maybe we can democratically vote to remove democracy?
Any form which will transcend democracy will integrate it. It's not something to be removed, but to be iterated upon.
@@stephenwithaph1566 well said
germany tried. ended up with hitler.@@intercakefederation
whattT? lmfao
This is the first time I've heard this man. But I've shared this view on democracy for many years. Most people are not capable of even managing their own simple lives. Why should they choose who runs a city, state or country? There should be basic testing before you are allowed to vote. You need to demonstrate at least average intelligence, or have a level of education, etc. Politicians should not be able to run for office without at least as much training as a teacher, or hopefully at least a plumber....
uh oh! thats racist, because a great majority of blacks in america wouldnt be voting!
I work in an emergency room. Do you have any idea the caliber of people that walk through those ER doors?? Like you said, they can't even run their own lives. Meanwhile, because they were simply born on US soil (some of them not even that) they have the same voting power as you and I? Whaaaa?
So voting only for people with 115 IQ ? Come on man you cant be like that
Ways to improve upon democracy, either with reform or more radical changes, are certainly warranted, as Osho goes all the way with and you propose a mechanism for. The devil is in the details, as always, though... Who determines which questions are intelligence indicators? Unfortunately, from my experience in psychology research, there are no unbiased questions. But certainly the status quo is inadequate, and improvements are only bound to come, with better ideas from humanity and courage.
We tried. The tests only functioned to strip voting rights from those with worse education A.K.A the poor, the downtrodden, and repressed minorities. This was one of if not the most important issues of the Civil Rights movement.
Summary :- Osho said here ''Democracy means government by the people, of the people, for the people. Democracy has failed. A plumber needs to have certification (training), but the president of America doesn't. Instead, the geniuses of the world should be in government. Universities should create politicians, and be the central forces of power. I call it 'Meritocracy'. It is the future.
All government methods have failed, not only democracy.
Will it be different for meritocracy? There is plenty of people with "certification" who are not meritable.
I wait for the phase following meritocracy, will it be "awarenesscracy", at last?
Wow this is literally what plato said at old greece
@@andsalomoni at his time certification was not easy and corrupted ,maybe now the definition has to be changed
Meritocracy has already failed and is failing even today, not just on the political scale, but on a general scale
As long as the certificate not corrupted, we can somewhat insure that at least the government is not full of retarded.
Osho has given already humanity a clear vision about the New future.
It's collected in a precious little book with the titel: 'Manifest for a golden future.'
Osho
The greatest challenge: The golden future : a manifesto
listening to this at x2 speed is MUST
Nah, I'm using it as a sleep aid
Nah 0.25x
@@AA-bn7tf sigma male move
@@AA-bn7tf Lmao died of being offline for too long
His pauses are still insanely long in 2x speed. lol. But he starts going he sounds like Indian Ben Shapiro. Lol
1:28 you're laughing, he's talking about how humanity has no hope and you're laughing
Proving his point, I suppose.
@@Elegant_Sausage tru
he did not say there is no hope
The laughing is also ableist.
Only such retards like him care about his retarded monologue. He has a good point, democracy is not perfect. Everyone with half a brain cell knows it. It doesn't mean he is not one of those retarded. His problem was that all along that with his bs he couldn't sell enough and he realized that governments are not perfect. In my personal opinion, monarchies were better. More simple and also more human. The vast majority are indeed dumb. Today, they are more free and it causes a lot of problems. Back then they were happy if they got a piece of land to work on and their biggest dream was having kids that can help them with the work. People had very little rights, they lived by a handful of laws, they knew their places. But the greed of a few overthrow their rules for more power almost everywhere. They promised more to the people which they received. People today live better than ever, but the cost is too high. We can't upkeep this. Overpopulation, resources running out. They know they should control the population because it is going to be catastrophic otherwise. What they do? The 2 government that tried it, stopped it because they realised they are losing money and it's going to make their system to collapse. Which is going to collapse anyway due to the overpopulation, but they literally leave it to the next generations to solve that. And all the rest of the governments never realy cared. They all live today. Who cares what's going to be in 30 years..
Am I wise now for pointing out things that everyone (should) know?
This is the reason, you are the most admired individual on this earth because no veda of present preechers explains or give clarity of life like you that is the reason you are there in many hearts because you spoke from heart
Only ved can give you clarity bloody basket
It is so relevant in today's political world...
Bow down to osho 👏👏
True..💕💘💘
I bow to one man….. Jesus Christ. Fuck Osho.
@@bgdck69 means u never heard him properly
@@dictator9007 You ever heard the word of Jesus Christ?
@@bgdck69 you guys ever heard of atheism?
To be honest I wasn’t expecting this and it is interesting.
check out his commentary on the Pre-ancient Vigyana Bhairava tantra in the book called 'Book of Secrets'.. life transforming stuff..!
Immortal words... Immortal Guru ❤️
He's right but now meritocracy can't be achieved ...
The only way to achieve meritocracy is that every person becomes meritorious ( at least majority ) 👍👍👍
The majority is not in power right now
I mean look at how we failed to even achieve MLK's dream. "Judge not by the color of your skin but the content of your character" *schools proceed to bring back segregation and punish people based on the color of their skin*
@@dkskullamanjaro3784 what exactly do you mean by that?
Culling all the retarded is the first step.
Yeah right. I don't have the merit so you shouldn't be getting benefits of your merits too.
The amount of patienceshhh, requiredshh, to watchshh, this whole videoshh.
Meritocracy of humanity as first stepping stone for all other merits of human then all human prosperous. Osho means awareness. Awareness of life is best meritocracy
After all, achievement of any kind is completely and utterly useless. Yeah, it may benefit the system, but it's a system propped up by the "retarded." Real achievement is found on the inside.
Osho should have been the President of the World...We would have lived a much more fullfiling and happier life...Naman
but osho never wanted it
osho don't know anything about finance, education system and technology , why are you saying he should be a president just because he can speak well , it was a bad joke hahah
@@navjoshshergill668 because Modi knows... 🙈🙈
@@navjoshshergill668 It is okay. Our Prime Minister is once a tea seller. All that Osho has to do is run the cabinet and the cabinet runs the House and the House represents people. As he said the same thing Socrates said but then they both were wrong. Athens had failed. Meritocracy creates class and History repeates.
@@walterbo7687 modi is easily the best option by far man. Name one mainstream politician in the country who comes even close to deserving the PMs seat
This guy sure knows how to get watch time
And your latent ableism loves it
He died in 1990😅
Definitely the most eye opening 9:16 minutes of content I've ever consumed on any video platform.
Have your head checked.
@@Kitties_are_pretty _He's spitting facts_
@@Kitties_are_pretty no u "Have your head checked"
@@Yoobster no u
This was a great speech. He is right too.. I had to store this up all the way in our to get through it though. In ADHD BUT LOVE TO LEARN.. so when people talk too slow my chain cannot process what is being said... So speeding this up was PERFECT... Great speech. Wise man
Your support for this man also reveals your ableism
Love you King Osho.
I've been saying on comments and blogs for over a year that we need minimum requirements for the job of president, senator, governor. I hadn't realized though, OSHO's clarity on types of government and failure of democracy. He makes so much sense - yes, democracy has failed, that doesn't mean other existing forms of govt. must replace it - communism, fascism, Marxism...those are worse. We need something new that is progress, not a regression - meritocracy. I hadn't ever thought or realized that option before.
barely heard of this guy and i love him
probably bc he died 30 yrs ago
One of the best ASMR videos out there, oh and also there is an important spiritual leader talking about governence of the people.
I totally agree that democracy gives rise to a nation state that keeps its citizens dumb (like we have now), and meritocracy is desired, but putting power in the hands of universities is the worst idea I have heard yet for meritocracy. Anyone who has had a power hungry bitter teacher can attest that these people are not suitable to handle positions of power over others.
Transparency and decentralisation are the keys to a working functional governance system.
basically anarchy
Yes, just look at the state of campi today.
Thank you Osho ji.🙏🕉
I love the fact that the person who laughed after he quoted got the biggest death stare known to man.
He spits interesting arguments Everytime he exhales 😆
A genius who speaks just truth. His words are so true even today and will be always. But unfortunately the world has not changed nor there is any hope.
He spends 30 seconds searching his lexicon for the right words to use, before realizing the right tool for the job is a sledgehammer.
Bro it took 9 minutes for him to say "Sometimes people choose bad leaders".
Yeah that’s pretty much it
Damn this is genius speech
this guy died in 1990, if only he could see what the next 30 years would bring
Has someone by chance has the version removing all his buffering pauses?
It would be like a 45 sec version I think
Would you remove brakes from good songs too?
I think not.
@@El_Fabricio Please find me any "good songs" with 7 second, completely silent pauses every 11 seconds.
If you look more deeply into Osho, there is a reason why he speaks the way he does. There is also an entire video where he himself speaks on this.
@@gigahertz_1911 Let me guess- he takes time to consider his words before speaking?
Just watch the video 2x speed. He talks so slowly, that it won't sound unnaturally fast.
Democracy is basically people rolling a dice together, and see how big the number will be.
0:48
Thank you
King 🏆
what a chad sir
Bless you
back here after the US election results
Wow this is very insightf-
"universities are the answer"
Osho I...
@ThoughtCrime In europe universities are less corrupt like this. Can't speak for other continents.
The Ronald Reagan roast had me dying🤣🤣
When the people started laughing.
Everyone in the room: *ha! That's a funny joke!*
Him: *Did I stutter?*
Agree with him totally, we can see things happening in India and America very clearly
things will get better my friend i believe it ❤
I hope so. 😢
Thanks to technology we now have a technocracy. Owned by a few.
"Merit" can also be called as "privileges " because privileges leads to fulfillment of person capabilities in today's world,especially in countries where divide is big . Certainly osho was not talking about merit in this regard ,merit underlying with equality and opportunities he was talking about.
This is one of the most amazing fucking video I’ve ever watched
Rajneesh’s only qualification is a Master of Arts in Philosophy. His whole career was built on a predatory business of mysticism. The idea is interesting here, but it undermines the, “for the people,” point of democracy: if it’s only intellectuals representing the population and passing legislation on their behalf, there’s no particular incentive for that leadership to truly work effectively for segments of the population they don’t understand and can’t relate to. This elitist argument is actually also classist under the hood. It leaves out the working class almost by default.
In any case, the meme is still entertaining 😂
Intellectuals usually have more mental capacity to UNDERSTAND others, unlike the mentally limited who can't even understand themselves and mostly only see the narrow road of any self-serving interests.
China has an interesting take on this: The party is more of a meritocratic institution than a political party (as it'd be very difficult to define it as people sharing an ideological worldview). And boy has the party succeeded in governing China.
This comes with horrible drawbacks though, such as Xinjiang concentration camps.
@@edinfific2576 This is a delusional idea of what most intellectuals are. Intellectuals are just as prone to cognitive biases and self-interest as anyone else which is why intellectuals were the strongest supporters of some of the worst political ideas of the last century.
There are no perfect solutions but there are certainly better solutions. I personally don't think it's very efficient to have your country led based upon popularity. I think only the most intelligent, most competent , most qualified people should be leading. Kept in check under guidlines that prevents totalitarianism.
@@joni1405 Well then, time to find empathetic, righteous intellectuals.
Maybe it's very hard to find but I'm pretty confident that some people fit that description...
I love Osho so much. True man.
True words!
People are counted and not weighted, that's the flaw of democracy.
“Democracy is the worst form of government except for all others.” W. Churchill
Basically what I take away from this is democracy is good. But it could be better.
ANY government form is the worst, if run by unaware people.
"It is hilarious.", Dumbledore said calmly.
LOL 😇 As usual Funny Osho but so True. Thank you 🙏🙏
Little did he knew about the kind of universities we have now and kind of people coming from there.
What are you implying though?
@@hinglemccringleberry7265 The universities became breeding grounds for ideologues. They are always angry for some reason and can't tolerate any difference of opinion. They get offended over simple things and are simply insufferable. Of course not everyone but the most.
@@muralin239 As someone at university I completely disagree with your statement. Yes there are a few people like that but it's a tiny minority. The only people at my university I know who are like that I only know indirectly through people taking the piss out of them, I don't know any personally. Additionally it assumes all universities are equal. There is a stark difference between the people at the likes of oxbridge and the people who go to what are essentially polytechnics. Polys will allow anyone in but the high end universities are more selective with their cohort.
I do agree that selecting people to run the country based solely on the fact that they went to university is a bad idea for a plethora of reasons but your perception of university students being all SJWs is wrong. I completely understand why you think that, I thought it might be like that too before I actually started because of what I had seen on the internet but I was wrong. I think the reason is a totally normal person at university isn't interesting so no one talks about it but when you see some weirdo yelling about safe spaces that's disturbing so people talk about it and it spreads which means that the only university students who you are exposed to are the most bizarre ones, kinda like how you never hear about the millions of successful flights every month but you always hear about the one or two crashes where everyone on the plane died. If you didn't know anyone who had been on a plane you might assume that they're dangerous death traps because that's all you hear about.
I love how...
he just pauses...
for emphatic...
effect...
It makes...
everything you say...
have a certain...
weight.
its weird how i never hear politicians in the government talk about this even though it seems pretty obvious
Lol why would they talk about this? That'd be a one way ticket out of office as far as they're concerned
yes
2:19 Dude does a “bird call” in the middle of his speech.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
hahahh I love this guy, I don't need Jebus anymore hahahaa
Wonderful explanation ❤️
dude talks with a slowness potion, going through cobwebs on top of soul sand.
He's indian English is his 2nd Language. Read his works translation.
I've been able to speak English fluently for years now but this is how I feel sometimes, with many pauses because my brain forgets what words are.
Watching this in 2023, it's so much easier to see his point with all the crazy and stupid people in the world having a large platform to spread their thoughts and ideas. And these people end up having so much influence over tens of millions of people.
It's an anti democratic political position. The technique is to first define democracy, then argue against the definition being presented.
Equally valid arguments can be presented from the pro democratic side. However, because we've presented divergent definitions, we're actually talking past each other.
In this kind of political argument, ultimately we're arguing whether "democracy" should be interpreted as a good or bad word. I say good!
The definition "of the people, by the people, for the people" is a somewhat accurate definition. However, the problem of how to get inside the mind of "the people" is not addressed here. Simply dismissing "the people" as "retarded" is not producing any solutions, it's creating more problems!
"The people" is not a person - it's an abstraction. Conclusions about the will of "the people" can be arrived at only by enduring the arduous task of carefully listening to, and observing many individual persons. The average person does not know what's in the mind of "the people", in fact no individual person does! It's far too complicated a topic for just one person. This gentleman thinks "the people" are too retarded to govern, I think he's no exception to the rule.
The best we can do is make good faith, open minded attempts to understand "the people", and we need a whole community of likeminded persons working constantly to reach these determinations, as well as the trust of the populace being governed.
Just a suggestion,
The words from Masters are always misunderstood by 99.999% of the people, and Osho's words are no exception. In this talk, Osho was actually responding to this question:
{BELOVED MASTER,
IN WHAT WAY DO YOU ENVISAGE DEMOCRACY PLAYING A PART IN YOUR COMMUNES?}
Osho had no interest in talking about democracy nor governments, as most people would be interested in. Osho was just saying:[Democracy is not a goal in his commune.]
Democracy could be a good thing, but it has no place in Art, in Religion, in Meditation, in Zen....
If you do not provide the full context, many people would be confused, why in the very beginning Osho said:[Democracy is not the highest goal.]
Especially for people not familiar with Osho, now it looks like Osho is against Democracy.
Try to show the original question as well, do not cut it from the video, because it may be other people's questions too. Osho's response was only meaningful for that specific question, in that specific context.
Thank you so much~
The question was about the commune but his answer was much more broad, holistic. It doesn't invalidate the question though, as it applies to both his commune and the humanity at large. And even if the majority misunderstands it , well this only again confirms Osho's insight on the failure of democracy itself, doesn't it ;)
p.s. It is not the first time Osho talks about the majority of humanity; in one of his lectures he also says, to paraphrase him, : "" Whenever you see a crowd, run away from it, as it consists mainly of fools."
What year did he give this speech and where please?
Yeah we tried this from 2017 onwards - and it's been a disaster. Universities leading the way resulted in biological men competing in women's sports
not my definition of "disaster". I would call that progression, one that not everyone agrees on. Universities will also find solutions to the problems of biological men competing in women's sports because it lies in the interest of women's empowerment. The very liberal influence that those few loud units of university have are from the current people in positions of staff, but the apparatus of university itself is not responsible.
@@bhavyakukkar Problem is the universities are ideologically captured institutions not operating on logic. They don't represent the general population or their interests, on the contrary they often depend on the population for funding by force via taxes.
Someone who believes they're intelligent enough to make decisions for the benefit of all is one of the most dangerous people to be handed power.
The slower you speak, the wiser you sound.
Listening in 2x speed makes him sound regular and the background fast af
1 - Being smart isn't a guarantee that a person will be willing to act for his or her people, for his or her nation...
2 - Being good at school isn't a guarantee that you would be a good stateperson, writing a good essay and having a A grade won't certify you're able to make some hard but necessary decisions, that you will understand how life works and predict events. I know peoples who are very good at learning their lessons but have lacks at reasoning or thinking by themselves.
3 - If school becomes your center or power, it will become corrupted and the way peoples are selected will be based on ideology or some attitude like being a good slave. This is already the case in some countries and in some différents degrees.
4 - If you need a certificate or a licence to become president, well, same problem as above.
Long live the Chad King.
You are absolutely correct. That is why we should not seek for a bunch of people in suits to control our lives, it does not matter if they are politicians or members of a university.
Decentralization is the goal. Decentralization is the only way the individuality of each person can be respected. You do not like the rules of the place where you live in? Great, go to an other place with rules that you like.
Anarchy is the only ethical and "not retarded" way of living in society.
He is still alive❤️
He is ded
Schrödinger.
The problem would be - you can have evil geniuses. People without empathy.
“Universities become you center of power”. He has not fully thought this out.
Tsk tsk tsk... Osho knew these things that time..that just shows how intelligent he was and is and will be
lol. That time is just a few decades ago.
He is copying what Socrates said about Democracy. But Socrates got killed for this statement.
Osho talks should be available for free, so that everyone can hear him.
Did someone ask you money to watch this?...
@@babajamiaco yes. To watch full video you have to become a member by paying money.
When you say "it was better than its predecessors" that actually means that democracy is the best type of goverment until now. Maybe there will better forms of goverment in the future. But now the democracy is the best like it or not.
Well I'd say no government is better than any government. It's known as self government. I govern mine and you govern yours. You might say but that is lawlessness, and yes it is, but it's better. If people then want to join together in communities they should be able to, but people should also be able to chose to live free of any obligations towards others if they so chose, and no one should be able to enforce their beliefs upon others, bullets are a very useful item.
@@livedandletdie I don't see how anarchy would work since someone eventually will attempt to seize power for himself
It's like somebody with terrible internet keeps hitting the pause button to let the video buffer. Straight gold.
I admire your ability to question your own way of thinking and build upon it.. We all reach our own answer through our ability to carve and mold ourselves, like how wood and clay can be carved and molded depending on its state. I believe.
Excellent thoughts ahead of times.....respect 🙌 bhagwan Rajneesh.
impeccable comedic timing lmfao
The great osho
Quick disclaimer: the meritocracy he described (rule by the helpful to society) is not the same to "american meritocracy" aka rule by the most successful. A big problem with that is you can be more successful, the more flexible your moral compass becomes.
I fully agree with his point of view. Geniuses won't want to bring themselves down to the level of populist politicians but meritocracy is still plagued by politics and greed. It probably won't work well in real life because everyone is prone to corruption. We can see how universities are elitists and they are still plagued with scandals, old school views and sometimes radical and unrealistic schools of thought.
If meritocracy is adapted, some geniuses won't be able to work in governments because their genius cannot be recognised by the university system, or what they are advantageous in, may not be reflected in the other aspects which are what's tested by the universities. So there must be another avenue for people of different talents to be recognised for their uniqueness and be used for the good of the public, in the meritocracy system.
Governments are slowed down by not only politics, but also their very tedious and wasteful check-and-balance systems, which in turn are exploited by politicians to either speed up or slow down a certain public plan/proposal.
There needs to be an efficient but flexible check-and-balance system in whatever form of governance we adapt.
Chop water and carry wood, amazing
Freeze the water, then cut it. It's a very simple thing...
@@ServantofBaal Drinking wood is a little more difficult...
I've been saying this for years, glad to know I'm of a similar mind as Osho
Plato said the same thing 2500 years ago and was executed for it lol
Politician is a job that can be easily automated.
There's a word for that, it's a cyberocracy. The problem is it needs AGI and we don't have that kind of technology yet.
Not for a 100 years atleast lol.
Thank you rajsneesh perfectly delivered message that's why the world is in dangerous situation🎉