Great seeing Joe host an amazing historian. He needs to host more. Professor West's books were integral to my coursework during my first and second year of graduate school.
I’m almost certain that just like with the news going on in the present they change the truth to fit the narrative. How much of what you read from the past is the truth? I’m probably wrong or at least I hope I am but something tells me you can’t trust anything you read from the present or the past and it’s a damn shame
@@shakibali5766for real. Hancock tells a compelling story that I almost fell for, but we need to focus on the archeological evidence/data that exists and extrapolate from that. You can't prove a negative. Not saying he's wrong with absolute certainty but contemporary science disagrees and being a contrarian doesn't equate to being a pioneer in the field. You'll be happy to know he was recently was banned from filming on a reservation in the U.S. but not because they're "silencing" him or hiding something but because he (according to residents) insults their cultural history with this whimsical tale backed by flippant proof that disregards their entire history there for the sake of his "theory".
My great grandmother was 106 and full blooded Choctaw. She only spoke Choctaw and was born in 1889 and moved into Oklahoma around 1903 from Mississippi. I was 21 when she passed but I learned so much from her. I have a document that shows in 1903, the US Gov't entered their homes in Oklahoma and questioned them all about their travels to ensure they had no plans to ever go back to Mississippi. The way the US treated them was horrible. They had 1,000 acres in Mississippi and were given scraps in Oklahoma.
Shido’o. Diné nishłi. I liked this video too. We all need each other/need to stick together now more than ever. All we as Native people want is acknowledgment and some respect 🇺🇸
I absolutely love Native American history, I'm lucky to live in an area with the most incredible hilltop Native American architecture. The massive sites I'm coming across are mind blowing. Hardly anyone has studied this group of Native Americans known as the Prescott Culture. I've never seen ruins like what they built.
I'm just happy whenever they are treated as human beings and not just some hippy minded monolith species of wood nymph that has all the spiritual secrets and can do no wrong because somebody has daddy issues and hates their own cultural roots so they fan-fic reality and history.
@@emmyrose333 Yes, I live in the immediate area of the sites I referenced above. I actually found a "new to me" site yesterday...that's a total of 42 I've found so far. Love this stuff!
Citizens, all over the country are sharing the art of the indigenous people. It goes unnoticed and unrecognized, they made a whole lot more than arrowheads… our archaeologists deny it. It is a renaissance of sorts. I hope you get time to check it out.
@@joemama4473how about your culture with textbooks full of your torture methods? But nah native people scalp and wow they’re savages. Your literally a psycho
@@hartsy50- And, similarly, when the Native Americans did raids on white settlements to attempt to push back they were considered bloodthirsty savages, human animals only fit for extermination. Same thing with slave uprisings.
As a former student of Professor West I had the privilege in sitting in on his lectures at U of A. What a joy to hear his voice again and recant many of his theories that added greatly to my own education.
I love these historical podcasts on the JRE. I look forward to looking into Elliot Wests book, and Joe show just how much knowledge he also has on the subject. Good on ya Joe! Love your work. From the beautiful High Country Victoria Australia.
This discussion helped me realize there are many different time periods, different people,and so many historical stories. How many more do we not really know.The West and South West are so interesting.
it's not interesting.. it's devastating and horrific.. the US committed a genocide against us native peoples whose death toll exceeds that of the german holocaust by TENS OF MILLIONS OF LIVES.. how TF can you call that "interesting"?? it's tragic and disgusting
I’m listening to the entire long form on Spotify. Wanted to relate about meeting a Navajo Man,my brother Dellwood. He related how his Grandfather was a Medicine Man which allowed him to learn the more closely held tribal wisdom. His parents wanted him to have a college education as well so he is a man of knowledge and wisdom. He was in Nashville as a BOIA representative discussing the building of a new hospital out west. I was so impressed with this man who has managed to be articulate within two cultural traditions. I told him about my love of trail running and being in the woods. He said that there are lots of things to see in the woods if you keep your eyes open. My interpretation was that he was speaking not only of plants and animals but also of things not often spoken of. There is a magic and power on this Earth that often goes unnoticed
You can find the art of indigenous people and learn how to become more aware. It was a culture celebrating awareness. I learned how to see the art after they were destroying a huge pyramid mound for housing development near my house in Graham North Carolina. Dedicated my life for the past year, taking these huge face statues to conferences and sharing them on TH-cam.
My great grandfather, U.S. Army Lieutenant Edward Dillon a 24 year old Indian agent of the U.S. government in 1859, testified in California against the white settlers for horrendous treatment in the Round Valley. He is mentioned in the book, Regulars in the Redwoods.
Right on. I'm not doubting the horrible actions of some of the white settlers and/or military but it's also true that many native tribes were violently hostile from first contact onwards. Can't blame for that at all because that's how all humans (at least those who aren't weak cowards) would react when faced with a perceived outside threat. So when the Indians started attacking the settlers - the white men returned the favor and so and so forth (or in many but not nearly all cases - vise versa). Humanity has a messy history filled with death and destruction. We're about to experience that again now the woke, mind fuc*Ed crowd is calling the shots.
This episode was fascinating. Randomly started reading about westward expansion and US history for the first time for leisure. And then BAM this Episode drops. Incredible collection of knowledge shared!
Any discussion about American Indian tribes not including the fact of their horrific treatment of each other long before the white man showed them how to do it better is to be immediately discredited.
There was also much intermarriage, trading and sharing of cultural traditions. There was never a concept of complete domination and genocide of entire tribes by another.
Best episode in a long time. More content like this would be appreciated (more Graham, more Randall, more Stamitz etc.). Just more content that teaches.
My great grandfather was the first person in his tribe to live in a house , they decided to pretend he wasnt native, my Grandmother and mom continued it only talking about it after 18th birthday...
Conquered ppl always suffer. Usually to a much far worse degree than the Indians were treated. The natives didn’t survive by going around hugging trees. They were war waging people that enslaved and killed eachother long before we showed up. We were just better at it.
No, the bro fests where they are drinking and Shane Gillis gets sloshed and bullies Ari Shaffir for being jewish are more important for mankind than these kinds of interviews
Carlisle Barracks is a United States Army facility located in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. The site of the U.S. Army War College, it is the nation's second-oldest active military base. The first structures were built in 1757, during the French and Indian War between Great Britain and France in the colonies. From 1879 to 1918, the property was transferred to the Department of Interior to operate the Carlisle Indian Industrial School. This was the first off-reservation boarding school established to educate and assimilate Native American children into European-American culture. In 1891 Congress passed legislation to expand this program. After the United States entered World War I, the school was closed and the property was transferred back to the War Department. Source Wikipedia
SO FROM 1806 TO 1877 INDIANS WAS SIGNING PAPERS FOR THEY FREEDOM WHILE WATCHING BLACK FOLKS WORK FOR THE WHITE MAN THEY DESPISE BUT INDIANS GET ALL THIS :The Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) Financial Assistance and Social Services (FASS) program provides assistance to federally recognized American Indian and AlaskanNative (AI/AN) tribal members in the following ways: General Assistance: Cash assistance to meet essential needs of food, clothing, shelter, and utilities.
Both of my grandpa's parent went there. His father later took his life... think there was a correlation? The stories and untold stories of what happened there are horrific.
I grew up down the street from what we called "the barracks" or "the war College". My schoolbus went "on base" to drop off kids there. I had no idea the significance of that place then...
@@osmosisjones4912yeah an example of how people will become dependent on even a small amount of money and do absolutely nothing to better their situations if they're given enough to survive
@@andyfox1979 exactly my point. Just like I use the Jobs numbers the same week the government was going to shut down as an example I'm on the right hear
I had the privilege of reading two of West's books: Contested Plains, and the Last Indian War. Amazing stories of humanity in the forging of the American West, and what was lost in the destruction of Indigenous Peoples across the continent. Absolute masterpieces of historiography, history, and literature.
Elliott West (born April 19, 1945) is an American historian and author. He studies the history of the American West. West grew up in a family of journalists. His father was an editor for the Dallas Morning News, and his brother was a travel writer. West received an undergraduate degree in journalism at the University of Texas at Austin. West completed master's and doctoral degrees at the University of Colorado. He said that he applied to Colorado because he liked the state, and although he applied to the school's history program, he was still planning to become a journalist. Early in his career, West taught at the University of Colorado Denver, the University of Texas at Arlington and the University of New Mexico. He became a faculty member at the University of Arkansas in 1979 where he is an Alumni Distinguished Professor of History. Historian Richard White has referred to West as "the best historian of the American West writing today." West's 1998 book, The Contested Plains: Indians, Goldseekers, and the Rush to Colorado, was reviewed in the Journal of Interdisciplinary History and the Pacific Historical Review. The work won the 1999 Francis Parkman Prize from the Society of American Historians and shared the Ray Allen Billington Prize from the Organization of American Historians that year. A 2009 book, The Last Indian War: The Nez Perce Story, was reviewed in The Journal of American History. In 2009, he was a finalist for the Cherry Award for Great Teaching given by Baylor University. He has received two Western Heritage Awards. He is a past president of the Western History Association. West appeared in the 2023 Ken Burns documentary The American Buffalo. Source Wikipedia
The speech in the movie Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee is interesting to me, mostly because history of native american culture is always told one way and the reality of the world is left out.
This story from Washington was really tragic, the worst part of it was when they tried to make peace before things got too ugly, but unfortunately the Natives had a cultural tradition where war could be negated by killing the representatives of the opposing party at negotiations. The Governor who was murdered (Or whatever the term is for the representative that mediated conflicts in the region) was a good man who loved the Natives and tried his hardest to make the two cultures coexist in the decades leading up to this. Just goes to show just how different our cultures were
All cultures have strengths and weaknesses, with different values and customs, including US culture. Both your statements show a lack of ability to recognize your own biases and think in an objective way.
They can't go out and get jobs like every other American that has to take of themselves? We should just give them free money and benefits because their ancestors lost a war?
The Bannocks was the last Ndn war. The government enlisted the bannocks as army scouts to fight their natural enemies, the Nez Perce. When the Sioux killed custer, the Mormons near Utah/Idaho enlisted California volunteers to control the tribal members creating the Bear River Massacre. This pushed the Shoshone onto the fort hall Indian reservation the Bannocks was given. 10 years of being cattle men and farmers frustrated the Bannocks because promised rations from the government wasn’t coming through or was rotten. The warden of fort hall felt sorry for the tribal members being starved and becoming sick so he let them go off the reservation to feed themselves. Many tribal members went to their natural hunting grounds. The Bannocks went to the camas prairie and found settlers livestock grazing where the camas bulb plant grew. The Bannocks found this disrespectful so they killed the settlers. This started the Bannock war.
I wish people understood the reason you don't learn all these incredibly interesting stories from history while you're in school, is because there's just not enough time. They give you the basics. You have to be curious enough to explore knowledge and history on your own. There's thousands of years of it!
The Nez Perce story is profound. I enjoyed reading "From where the Sun Now Stands". Which is very well written book by a white man, Henry Clay. The great Chief Joseph, known for saying "From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever" is but a exerpt from a longer speech that speaks to humanity. On another occasion he said that "You might as well expect a river to run backward as to expect a man to be content with less than what he once had."
The United States Indian Industrial School in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, generally known as Carlisle Indian Industrial School, was the flagship Indian boarding school in the United States from its founding in 1879 through 1918. It took over the historic Carlisle Barracks, which was transferred to the Department of Interior from the War Department. After the United States entry into World War I, the school was closed and this property was transferred back for use by the Department of Defense. All the property is now part of the U.S. Army War College. Source Wikipedia
SO FROM 1806 TO 1877 INDIANS WAS SIGNING PAPERS FOR THEY FREEDOM WHILE WATCHING BLACK FOLKS WORK FOR THE WHITE MAN THEY DESPISE BUT INDIANS GET ALL THIS :The Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) Financial Assistance and Social Services (FASS) program provides assistance to federally recognized American Indian and AlaskanNative (AI/AN) tribal members in the following ways: General Assistance: Cash assistance to meet essential needs of food, clothing, shelter, and utilities.
@@DAWAXFAXWas dat wat dat was? 'Native Americans' were A-Okay😉👌 with slavery well before and well after the Civil War btw. Women and children were prize targets. Even black people. Actually black slaves were prime meat/good trade according to certain tribes
You need to get a woman who has been to residential school to come on the podcast. Before they're all gone. Give them a huge platform to spread their knowledge and experience Joe ❤️
I could never understand how our ancestors could commit genocide on Native Americans. Then I read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee. If you haven't read it. I suggest you do so.
I'm native. Lived in America all my life. I'll sit down with Joe and tell him how the great white man took over this country by force, like every other country had been taken over in the history of the world.
I'd rather he not. Look at the extreme racism in the comment section. I'm indigenous and wish he would just stfu about us. It literally just brings a ton of racist white guys in the comment section to spout their little theories.
One of the reasons gold is a valuable commodity (maybe not so much the reasoning for us in the past but modern times) it's a great conductor and good for electronics
Also give us a pod with a legal scholar so we can learn more about all the relevant treaties that are alluded to here, important SCOTUS decisions dealing with this, etc.
lol and your ancestors came from where? our four-fathers didn't sacrifice the natives, it was the next ones in charge. Which was a land grab. Glad my rights now allow me to protect my "land" (property) from thieves. But who knows maybe generations from now some new owners to our country may kick out my kin.
Ah yes, the old "poor poor Indians" theme. Stone age man meets civilization. What did people think was going to happen? In roughly 120 years of warfare atrocities were committed on both sides so lets not have a pity party for the poor Indian, nothing happened to them that didnt happen to millions the world over.
Excellent video from a grounded older person who is interested in history and fairness. 1 minor supplemental observation to brother Rogan's attributing incomprehension of gold on to the Native American. Wampum was from purple seashells from the East Coast. It had no utility yeah it was very even deeply in the Southwest I'm guessing partly from the beautiful color. Native Americans enjoyed turquoise before euroman and took to Silver once it was extracted, gold would be more mined and sold than used, partly because gold was so valuable.
I remember my grandma telling me stories about how she would run away from the boarding school in Fort Apache, AAAALLLLL THE WAY back to Cibecue when she was only like 11 or 12 years old, I’m 32 now and only once have I visited Fort Apache, it was such a sombering display of how native Americans were treated and what my grandma had to go through
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Bout time we get some old timers on the JRE. We need their wisdom now more than ever.
💯
Yeah, about as much as we need them in the white house and congress.
I second that!
3rd
@@whysix3417Because I really can't wait for the Zoomer TikTok congress.
I LOVE the lesser known folks on this podcast. They're the best episodes that I learn the most from.
Think they kissed?
@@dogsingh7985😂
One of my favorite guests
Great seeing Joe host an amazing historian. He needs to host more. Professor West's books were integral to my coursework during my first and second year of graduate school.
What are you studying? I am also in grad school but my books are all modern. Obviously a different/newer field but I love learning history
Joe throughout most of the podcast, in a low whisper, “wowww” and “mmmm”
I’m almost certain that just like with the news going on in the present they change the truth to fit the narrative. How much of what you read from the past is the truth? I’m probably wrong or at least I hope I am but something tells me you can’t trust anything you read from the present or the past and it’s a damn shame
Seriously, enough with the graham hancock types
@@shakibali5766for real. Hancock tells a compelling story that I almost fell for, but we need to focus on the archeological evidence/data that exists and extrapolate from that. You can't prove a negative. Not saying he's wrong with absolute certainty but contemporary science disagrees and being a contrarian doesn't equate to being a pioneer in the field.
You'll be happy to know he was recently was banned from filming on a reservation in the U.S. but not because they're "silencing" him or hiding something but because he (according to residents) insults their cultural history with this whimsical tale backed by flippant proof that disregards their entire history there for the sake of his "theory".
My great grandmother was 106 and full blooded Choctaw. She only spoke Choctaw and was born in 1889 and moved into Oklahoma around 1903 from Mississippi. I was 21 when she passed but I learned so much from her. I have a document that shows in 1903, the US Gov't entered their homes in Oklahoma and questioned them all about their travels to ensure they had no plans to ever go back to Mississippi. The way the US treated them was horrible. They had 1,000 acres in Mississippi and were given scraps in Oklahoma.
Something tells her bloodline died out with her , full bloods really should stop mixing
Would have loved to meet her
What great people to take the so called US.
Can you speak choctaw?
I can tell you're not a either a white passing native or black passing native with the way you talk about us smh
I'm Navajo from the Southwest. I appreciate these conversations about the history and recognition of indigenous people.
That's actually awesome that you're legit Navajo. No need to diminish yourself with the woke "indigenous peoples" rhetoric
Shido’o. Diné nishłi. I liked this video too. We all need each other/need to stick together now more than ever.
All we as Native people want is acknowledgment and some respect 🇺🇸
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@@dilldowschwagginz2674
Were they the ones that scalped people?
@@blainehillis1921blame the government not the citizens
Thank you for allowing someone "older" to drop knowledge. They are often the most unbiased and well informed group of people with genuine wisdom
Except in the white house and congress. So informed and wise.
Got me with the straw man.....of course their are exceptions @@whysix3417
This dude is SIMPING hard.
@@samnero387rotten brain comment
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"An old man is talking, let's listen" - Millhouse
I absolutely love Native American history, I'm lucky to live in an area with the most incredible hilltop Native American architecture. The massive sites I'm coming across are mind blowing. Hardly anyone has studied this group of Native Americans known as the Prescott Culture. I've never seen ruins like what they built.
Is this in AZ?
I'm just happy whenever they are treated as human beings and not just some hippy minded monolith species of wood nymph that has all the spiritual secrets and can do no wrong because somebody has daddy issues and hates their own cultural roots so they fan-fic reality and history.
The pyramids of Egypt? Never heard of them?
@@emmyrose333 Yes, I live in the immediate area of the sites I referenced above. I actually found a "new to me" site yesterday...that's a total of 42 I've found so far. Love this stuff!
@@whysix3417 What have the pyramids of Egypt got to do with the native Americans? Please elaborate
Best JRE in yeeeears. Not enough true historians on the pod. Have been listening over and over.
As a Native American, thank you for this episode of your podcast. It's a beautiful feeling being seen. We are all "Indians" now in modern life ❤
Citizens, all over the country are sharing the art of the indigenous people. It goes unnoticed and unrecognized, they made a whole lot more than arrowheads… our archaeologists deny it. It is a renaissance of sorts. I hope you get time to check it out.
@@FacesintheStonelet’s hope they don’t share their real culture, pillaging and scalping.
@@joemama4473 Immaturity at its finest.
@joemama4473 better than brother sister relations and potatoes
@@joemama4473how about your culture with textbooks full of your torture methods? But nah native people scalp and wow they’re savages. Your literally a psycho
My family still talk about this😢 im thankful for my Sioux & Cree ancestors for keeping strong. ✊🏼
Too bad they lost.
Damn, racist
Keeping strong on the booze and in the casinos
1/4 at most? So you have zero resonant connection to the majority of your actual lineage?
Complexes are made of these.
Some seriously mentally ill people on this thread
History repeats itself and we’re seeing this all over the world through different perspectives
The Israelis put the Palestinians on two piece's of land equal to reservations.
Now they fight.
It certainly rhymes.
@@hartsy50- And, similarly, when the Native Americans did raids on white settlements to attempt to push back they were considered bloodthirsty savages, human animals only fit for extermination. Same thing with slave uprisings.
@@hartsy50they’re lucky they even got that 😂
Its in your nature.
As a former student of Professor West I had the privilege in sitting in on his lectures at U of A. What a joy to hear his voice again and recant many of his theories that added greatly to my own education.
Arkansas?
I love these historical podcasts on the JRE. I look forward to looking into Elliot Wests book, and Joe show just how much knowledge he also has on the subject. Good on ya Joe! Love your work. From the beautiful High Country Victoria Australia.
Belongs to UK
Good for him for keeping history alive ❤ so many people would prefer we forget native stories
Who wants to forget native stories? Surely most people find them interesting
@@Beesa10There is a certain segment of the population that is desperately trying to erase some of the horrible and negative things from US history.
@@Beesa10 mostly christians
@@Adam-qz3wh Seems like most people find native stories, indigenous culture and practices of whichever country they live in kind of interesting.
@@Adam-qz3wh,
Bias
man.. best episode in a while. joe hadnt been this quiet since kaku was on
great interview-finally not a comedian talking about comedians-whew a nice breath of fresh air.
Bob Newhart knows a lot of stuff about Indians.
I could listen to this gentleman for hours
You must like listening to people chew. wtf.
@@BastrdMcQueen Get this man a glass of water 😂
I love when Joe has these historians on.
As an Idahoan, I know very well this story. We learn all about the Nez Perce, Shoshone, Kutnai etc. in elementary. Fascinating stuff for sure.
Idahoan potato 🎉 👍
Yup, growing up in the puget sound all the native American tribes were fascinating.
But what do you learn?
@@MrLoobu potatoes good 😊
Someone get this man a glass of water!
This discussion helped me realize there are many different time periods, different people,and so many historical stories. How many more do we not really know.The West and South West are so interesting.
'Masters of Empire: Great Lakes Indians and the Making of America' by Michael A. McDonell
it's not interesting.. it's devastating and horrific.. the US committed a genocide against us native peoples whose death toll exceeds that of the german holocaust by TENS OF MILLIONS OF LIVES.. how TF can you call that "interesting"?? it's tragic and disgusting
I’m listening to the entire long form on Spotify. Wanted to relate about meeting a Navajo Man,my brother Dellwood. He related how his Grandfather was a Medicine Man which allowed him to learn the more closely held tribal wisdom. His parents wanted him to have a college education as well so he is a man of knowledge and wisdom. He was in Nashville as a BOIA representative discussing the building of a new hospital out west. I was so impressed with this man who has managed to be articulate within two cultural traditions. I told him about my love of trail running and being in the woods. He said that there are lots of things to see in the woods if you keep your eyes open. My interpretation was that he was speaking not only of plants and animals but also of things not often spoken of. There is a magic and power on this Earth that often goes unnoticed
Great takeaway
You can find the art of indigenous people and learn how to become more aware. It was a culture celebrating awareness. I learned how to see the art after they were destroying a huge pyramid mound for housing development near my house in Graham North Carolina. Dedicated my life for the past year, taking these huge face statues to conferences and sharing them on TH-cam.
@@FacesintheStonethanks for your work. Love discovering stuff like that. Subbed 👍
This gentleman is awesome! He has so much wisdom and knowledge.
It was a long series of wars. The Native Americans fought bravely and lost. Conquest is the typical method of land acquisition between people-groups.
A favorite quote from a movie called the last of the dog men…”what happened to natives was inevitable, how it happened was unconscionable”
I never bought any houses or land in the USA because it's all stolen property
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My great grandfather, U.S. Army Lieutenant Edward Dillon a 24 year old Indian agent of the U.S. government in 1859, testified in California against the white settlers for horrendous treatment in the Round Valley. He is mentioned in the book, Regulars in the Redwoods.
Right on. I'm not doubting the horrible actions of some of the white settlers and/or military but it's also true that many native tribes were violently hostile from first contact onwards. Can't blame for that at all because that's how all humans (at least those who aren't weak cowards) would react when faced with a perceived outside threat. So when the Indians started attacking the settlers - the white men returned the favor and so and so forth (or in many but not nearly all cases - vise versa). Humanity has a messy history filled with death and destruction. We're about to experience that again now the woke, mind fuc*Ed crowd is calling the shots.
Fascinating interview. One of Rogan's best
Joe's Dad knows a lot about Native Americans.
Indians aren’t Native Americans. America has only been a country since 1776.
his dallas daddy haha
They're not native.
@@Flat_Earth_Addyno shit
@@misner1989 Then why say they are?
This episode was fascinating. Randomly started reading about westward expansion and US history for the first time for leisure. And then BAM this Episode drops. Incredible collection of knowledge shared!
Joe finally managed to travel through time and interview his future self 20 years from now. Truly one of the JRE Freak Bitches moment of all time
No
I could listen to this guest forever. Never knew he even existed before this, but wish I did. GOAT guest.
The one thing I truly love is that all the videos are demonitized, no commercials.
Any discussion about American Indian tribes not including the fact of their horrific treatment of each other long before the white man showed them how to do it better is to be immediately discredited.
Cope
Is that right? Or just justification through whataboutism?
Yes, right. @@alisoninchausti1080
@@alisoninchausti1080that actually is correct
There was also much intermarriage, trading and sharing of cultural traditions. There was never a concept of complete domination and genocide of entire tribes by another.
Best episode in a long time. More content like this would be appreciated (more Graham, more Randall, more Stamitz etc.).
Just more content that teaches.
Reservations are a huge government failure.
The U.S. gov't have a huge list of failures, it keeps adding to them without any concern.
Seemed to work out pretty well for them. More like a major success.
They were supposed to be a method of killing us off by being sent to garbage lands and compacted with other nations (no food and angry neighbors)
Most defeated people dont get an area of their own to rule. Maybe it should be abolished and all become US citizens with no differences?
I wish the full podcasts would be on TH-cam. I could listen too this one for sure!
This is the best Rogan. So interesting and important.
I could listen to history all day. Don’t care who, what, where, or why. How did folks live before I came around?
My great grandfather was the first person in his tribe to live in a house , they decided to pretend he wasnt native, my Grandmother and mom continued it only talking about it after 18th birthday...
I love the louis and clarke story, they saved those folks, like in the cold and in that environment, they helped us out
Conquered ppl always suffer. Usually to a much far worse degree than the Indians were treated.
The natives didn’t survive by going around hugging trees. They were war waging people that enslaved and killed eachother long before we showed up. We were just better at it.
We’re you around back then? How do you know? They were the cleanest, most respectful people. Europeans brought all the disease.
And that’s a source of pride for you? 😅🤣
These are my favorite type of JRE guests
No, the bro fests where they are drinking and Shane Gillis gets sloshed and bullies Ari Shaffir for being jewish are more important for mankind than these kinds of interviews
Carlisle Barracks is a United States Army facility located in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. The site of the U.S. Army War College, it is the nation's second-oldest active military base. The first structures were built in 1757, during the French and Indian War between Great Britain and France in the colonies.
From 1879 to 1918, the property was transferred to the Department of Interior to operate the Carlisle Indian Industrial School. This was the first off-reservation boarding school established to educate and assimilate Native American children into European-American culture. In 1891 Congress passed legislation to expand this program. After the United States entered World War I, the school was closed and the property was transferred back to the War Department. Source Wikipedia
SO FROM 1806 TO 1877 INDIANS WAS SIGNING PAPERS FOR THEY FREEDOM WHILE WATCHING BLACK FOLKS WORK FOR THE WHITE MAN THEY DESPISE BUT INDIANS GET ALL THIS :The Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) Financial Assistance and Social Services (FASS) program provides assistance to federally recognized American Indian and AlaskanNative (AI/AN) tribal members in the following ways: General Assistance: Cash assistance to meet essential needs of food, clothing, shelter, and utilities.
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Both of my grandpa's parent went there. His father later took his life... think there was a correlation? The stories and untold stories of what happened there are horrific.
@@DAWAXFAXBetter go and steal it from them.
I grew up down the street from what we called "the barracks" or "the war College". My schoolbus went "on base" to drop off kids there. I had no idea the significance of that place then...
My favorite professor at the University of Arkansas
That is why we Palestinians will never give up on our armed resistance.
Womp womp
@@hangmanjangojames8146 says your mom
Now this is a great episode. This is a real man...unlike that cry baby jordan peterson. More guests like this and less cry babies. 🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽
Christ, I wish JRE full episodes were still on TH-cam.
Native American reservations are an example of universal basic income
A horrible example
@@andyfox1979it's perfect example .cases in point
@@osmosisjones4912yeah an example of how people will become dependent on even a small amount of money and do absolutely nothing to better their situations if they're given enough to survive
@@andyfox1979 exactly my point. Just like I use the Jobs numbers the same week the government was going to shut down as an example I'm on the right hear
@@andyfox1979 seems like you made his point for him.
I had the privilege of reading two of West's books: Contested Plains, and the Last Indian War. Amazing stories of humanity in the forging of the American West, and what was lost in the destruction of Indigenous Peoples across the continent. Absolute masterpieces of historiography, history, and literature.
Man, It's so cool to learn about history from the person who was there to witness it! More videos like this Joe.
…. Just how old do think this guy is? He was not there at the time.
@@alisoninchausti1080 If You look up and squint, you'll see exactly how far above your head that joke went.
Hahaha
Lewis and Clarke might be the best historical event imo, read their biography
These are the sort of episodes I used to live for.
Elliott West (born April 19, 1945) is an American historian and author. He studies the history of the American West.
West grew up in a family of journalists. His father was an editor for the Dallas Morning News, and his brother was a travel writer. West received an undergraduate degree in journalism at the University of Texas at Austin. West completed master's and doctoral degrees at the University of Colorado. He said that he applied to Colorado because he liked the state, and although he applied to the school's history program, he was still planning to become a journalist.
Early in his career, West taught at the University of Colorado Denver, the University of Texas at Arlington and the University of New Mexico. He became a faculty member at the University of Arkansas in 1979 where he is an Alumni Distinguished Professor of History.
Historian Richard White has referred to West as "the best historian of the American West writing today." West's 1998 book, The Contested Plains: Indians, Goldseekers, and the Rush to Colorado, was reviewed in the Journal of Interdisciplinary History and the Pacific Historical Review. The work won the 1999 Francis Parkman Prize from the Society of American Historians and shared the Ray Allen Billington Prize from the Organization of American Historians that year. A 2009 book, The Last Indian War: The Nez Perce Story, was reviewed in The Journal of American History.
In 2009, he was a finalist for the Cherry Award for Great Teaching given by Baylor University. He has received two Western Heritage Awards. He is a past president of the Western History Association.
West appeared in the 2023 Ken Burns documentary The American Buffalo. Source Wikipedia
Wow, you can copy/paste. You must be in demand.
AI head ass
@@evanray8413It almost like Gen Z finally discovered the Dewey Decimal System and other research systems but not quite. Amazeballs!
Great conversation and I understand the point they were making....but historically gold has been the ultimate weapon....
Can someone please get this man a glass of water, he's smacking his lips more than 'Pizza Rogan'
History pods on JRE are the best!
The speech in the movie Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee is interesting to me, mostly because history of native american culture is always told one way and the reality of the world is left out.
In Canada, my mother was taken at 5yrs old. Think about losing your children at that age. "All Children Matter"
It’s going to be a sad day when Men like this no longer exist.
What a great episode this mans enthusiasm is infectious.
I think he was becoming Yoda at the end. 😂 @14:48
My 14yr dog makes those same smacking noises too😅😅
My ancestors were in the Cav the helped win the Indian wars and build America.
Did they also give the people the smallpox infected blankets?
This story from Washington was really tragic, the worst part of it was when they tried to make peace before things got too ugly, but unfortunately the Natives had a cultural tradition where war could be negated by killing the representatives of the opposing party at negotiations. The Governor who was murdered (Or whatever the term is for the representative that mediated conflicts in the region) was a good man who loved the Natives and tried his hardest to make the two cultures coexist in the decades leading up to this. Just goes to show just how different our cultures were
they were just savages, no culture at all
@@charlymrivera7236and unfortunately still are. The white man will never learn from their mistakes 😞
That's why that "culture"had to go. Thanks god it did.
All cultures have strengths and weaknesses, with different values and customs, including US culture. Both your statements show a lack of ability to recognize your own biases and think in an objective way.
yup the whites were definitely savages@@charlymrivera7236
Proud Nimiipuu here, thanks for talking about this!!🙌🏽🙌🏽
This is what Americans should really pay attention to. Not other countries, but to people suffering in their own.
They can't go out and get jobs like every other American that has to take of themselves? We should just give them free money and benefits because their ancestors lost a war?
Who's really suffering tho? Vast majority of minorities in the US have more access to assistance than the average and overburdoned net taxpayer.
Your endless tears are becoming counter-productive to your cause I suspect.
He is talking about events that transpired nearly 150 years ago. And poorly I might add
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what an amazing resource to speak to... best believe I'm going to listen to the full episode ♡♡ hi from Canada, although he enthralled me before that
That was one of my favorite podcasts and I learned a lot from that, even as an Alaska Native.
No one is truly native
@@knife_gun_axe272if anybody would be it would be Alaska natives
Off topic but since Veterans Day is coming. our last PERAL HARBOR VETERAN just passed on he was residing in my town. Services are today 11-9-23
Joe needs a specific old guy mic that dampens that old guy mouth sound
Can we please have a guest speak about Native American history who is NOT white.
The Bannocks was the last Ndn war. The government enlisted the bannocks as army scouts to fight their natural enemies, the Nez Perce. When the Sioux killed custer, the Mormons near Utah/Idaho enlisted California volunteers to control the tribal members creating the Bear River Massacre. This pushed the Shoshone onto the fort hall Indian reservation the Bannocks was given. 10 years of being cattle men and farmers frustrated the Bannocks because promised rations from the government wasn’t coming through or was rotten. The warden of fort hall felt sorry for the tribal members being starved and becoming sick so he let them go off the reservation to feed themselves. Many tribal members went to their natural hunting grounds. The Bannocks went to the camas prairie and found settlers livestock grazing where the camas bulb plant grew. The Bannocks found this disrespectful so they killed the settlers. This started the Bannock war.
Best podcast in a long time Rogan !!!!!! Need more people like this on.
Do you know how to watch the full podcast?
Joe Rogan is the king of podcasts👑
I wish people understood the reason you don't learn all these incredibly interesting stories from history while you're in school, is because there's just not enough time. They give you the basics. You have to be curious enough to explore knowledge and history on your own. There's thousands of years of it!
Can always tell what topic or events Joe is currently obsessing over by who he has on the show and what they talk about
The Nez Perce story is profound. I enjoyed reading "From where the Sun Now Stands". Which is very well written book by a white man, Henry Clay. The great Chief Joseph, known for saying "From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever" is but a exerpt from a longer speech that speaks to humanity. On another occasion he said that "You might as well expect a river to run backward as to expect a man to be content with less than what he once had."
The United States Indian Industrial School in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, generally known as Carlisle Indian Industrial School, was the flagship Indian boarding school in the United States from its founding in 1879 through 1918. It took over the historic Carlisle Barracks, which was transferred to the Department of Interior from the War Department. After the United States entry into World War I, the school was closed and this property was transferred back for use by the Department of Defense. All the property is now part of the U.S. Army War College. Source Wikipedia
SO FROM 1806 TO 1877 INDIANS WAS SIGNING PAPERS FOR THEY FREEDOM WHILE WATCHING BLACK FOLKS WORK FOR THE WHITE MAN THEY DESPISE BUT INDIANS GET ALL THIS :The Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) Financial Assistance and Social Services (FASS) program provides assistance to federally recognized American Indian and AlaskanNative (AI/AN) tribal members in the following ways: General Assistance: Cash assistance to meet essential needs of food, clothing, shelter, and utilities.
Imma guess they actually had home ec, shop, and math clases.
Oh, the horror!
@@DAWAXFAXWas dat wat dat was?
'Native Americans' were A-Okay😉👌 with slavery well before and well after the Civil War btw.
Women and children were prize targets. Even black people. Actually black slaves were prime meat/good trade according to certain tribes
Wikipedia isn’t a good reference source lol.
@@black_hand78i was going to say the same thing.😂
You need to get a woman who has been to residential school to come on the podcast. Before they're all gone. Give them a huge platform to spread their knowledge and experience Joe ❤️
sounds an awful lot like another conflict happening right now...
"Never Again" they said, yet here's America supporting the same thing half way around the world.
Man, I love the way this man say “Missouri”
I see what you did there Joe , very relevant to today’s conflict in the “ Wholy land”
Too bad he’s too scared to openly talk about it
@@OsmanOsmanHansmart*
He should bring back Abby Martin to continue exposing the truth of what's happening.
Thankfully the Israelites are fighting for their land they first possessed 3,500 years ago
Gotta respect how much respect joe shows the old timers.
Joe never disappoints us🎉
of course he has wym
i find this thread extremely funny for no particular reason
All the time he's a sell out now
Glad y’all woke enough to call us native Americans not Indians!! Much love Joe and Elliot’s west on this history and knowledge !!
Joe love from India brother 🇮🇳🤝🇺🇸
I could never understand how our ancestors could commit genocide on Native Americans. Then I read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee. If you haven't read it. I suggest you do so.
Glad this horrific history is being amplified. Would love to see an interview with a native person.
Native what? You have no idea what that term even means.
I'm native. Lived in America all my life. I'll sit down with Joe and tell him how the great white man took over this country by force, like every other country had been taken over in the history of the world.
@s13shaka sure seems like you dont.
@@CartoonWeasel you are the pot calling the kettle black
I'd rather he not. Look at the extreme racism in the comment section. I'm indigenous and wish he would just stfu about us. It literally just brings a ton of racist white guys in the comment section to spout their little theories.
One of the reasons gold is a valuable commodity (maybe not so much the reasoning for us in the past but modern times) it's a great conductor and good for electronics
Hope Joe can get a Native American on here to tell their story for Native American Heritage Month
Absolutely. Then get both of them on the pod for another discussion. More content like this!
Also give us a pod with a legal scholar so we can learn more about all the relevant treaties that are alluded to here, important SCOTUS decisions dealing with this, etc.
I know this is gonna be a banger episode before I even watch it
I see nothing wrong here. The great things that came out of this country was worth the sacrifice
lol and your ancestors came from where? our four-fathers didn't sacrifice the natives, it was the next ones in charge. Which was a land grab.
Glad my rights now allow me to protect my "land" (property) from thieves.
But who knows maybe generations from now some new owners to our country may kick out my kin.
@@chillones9574 shutup.
@@NeonBoxNado and so now no freedom of speech great what's next, you might have to move out your moms basement 😬
@@chillones9574lmao. Saying shutup = no rights? Over react much?
Don’t answer, but do shutup.
I love the historical and geo politics discussions with the guests that rogan brings on
a lesser man would say "First"
This guest is such a cool guy.
Ah yes, the old "poor poor Indians" theme. Stone age man meets civilization. What did people think was going to happen? In roughly 120 years of warfare atrocities were committed on both sides so lets not have a pity party for the poor Indian, nothing happened to them that didnt happen to millions the world over.
Excellent video from a grounded older person who is interested in history and fairness. 1 minor supplemental observation to brother Rogan's attributing incomprehension of gold on to the Native American. Wampum was from purple seashells from the East Coast. It had no utility yeah it was very even deeply in the Southwest I'm guessing partly from the beautiful color. Native Americans enjoyed turquoise before euroman and took to Silver once it was extracted, gold would be more mined and sold than used, partly because gold was so valuable.
Interesting conversation, but the mic was way to close to his face. It sounded like he was sucking on a piece of candy, with the nonstop lip smacking.
I remember my grandma telling me stories about how she would run away from the boarding school in Fort Apache, AAAALLLLL THE WAY back to Cibecue when she was only like 11 or 12 years old, I’m 32 now and only once have I visited Fort Apache, it was such a sombering display of how native Americans were treated and what my grandma had to go through
Guess they should've put up a better fight. Must suck being on the losing side of history.
@@whysix3417 that's what the Democrats say to you ..
@@KevinTRyanSurely the romans didn't quite literally walk the lands killing, looting, and raping any civilization they came across