It is funny. But i think its more about admitting to your ignorance and not pretending that you know history as if you know it to be 100% factual or that you have all the knowledge and others don't.
As a history geek and a Mexican who’s obsessed with his indigenous ancestry, I’ve been dying for Hollywood to make a perfect film on the conquest of Latin America. Mexicos entire history, dating back to pre-conquest, is it’s very own entire series of Game Of Thrones, I shit you not! It’s intense, bloody, corrupt, betrayal, filled with redemption, honorable, remarkable - all in one.
Im from Colombia, and speak Spanish. I went to Cancun 2 years ago and noticed a lot of the locals were speaking a different language I had never heard before. When I finally asked a merchant I bought a necklace from what language was he speaking. He told me "Maya". I was blown away. Amazing how hundreds (if not thousands) of years later people are still speaking an ancient language.
Yup, those are the indigenous usually most of them were discriminated against in their own country. My grandma spoke Zapotec and didn’tteach her children because she was embarrassed and didn’t want her children to suffer growing up in a spanish conquered homeland that why usually the politicians in latin countries look more European than indigenous
I think he’s the ignoring it lol. The guy was constantly making puns and plays on words... hi (high) shaman... squeeze the charmin (shaman) ... then hit him with wheelie hard... joe prbly couldnt take anymore amateur popsicle stick jokes.
The Aztecs didn't live in Teotihuacan, that city had been abandoned for centuries when the Aztecs existed. Aztecs lived a few miles away in a city called Tenochtitlan (which is buried under Mexico City's Downtown).
As a man of Mexican descent this is good to hear people's perspective about my ancestry I did a DNA test and 53% of my ancestry is from the Iberian peninsula and the rest is from Mexico
I am Mexican. I live in the north part of the country but I do admire the Aztec culture from the center of Mexico. However I must admit that the Aztecs were actually pretty brutal oppresors. Theirs was an empire of nightmares and wonders....
The Romans killed people in a stadium and enslaved people as well but everyone talks highly of them without mentioning their brutality. What's the difference from what the Mexica did. They were an advanced civilization if you looked past all the other things.
Josh just goes over it, but when I found out about the usage of ponds to look at the stars through their reflection, it just blew my mind. It's such an ingenious way to study the sky.
The Aztecs had wheels, it's just that they're not very useful when the terrain is mostly rivers and mountains. Heavy transport took place by boat. They didn't have horses or oxen to pull heavy carts, so a wheel has limited utility. They were used mostly for toys.
@@truthmonster3290 well, bridges in this case. And they'd need much more of them, and better, than Europeans would. Also, it's tough to move all that stone without oxcarts. No cows, no horses. Llamas and alpacas just aren't as strong. EDIT: llamas and alpacas were an Inca thing. The Aztecs didn't have them. My bad.
@@truthmonster3290 with horses. And oxen. And donkeys and mules. And after advanced road networks and construction methods had been developed in the lowlands by other civilisations, who also possessed these resources. The Aztecs were pretty damned smart, building a major civilisation with a fraction of the resources Europeans had. If they didn't use wheels on a large scale, it wasn't because they hadn't noticed they go round and round and stuff.
@@unclescipio3136 they didn't even use arches, it was a long rectangle rock on top of the doors. they couldn't sail to Europe because they didn't know how. If they did sail to Europe their disease would have spread, they would have showed no mercy. There were plenty of animals here to pull carts, including humans. So, give Europeans credit. Thank You Europe, say it with me, Thank You White Man.
just for the record, when the Aztecs arrived to the Mexico Valley, they found Teotihuacan LONG forgotten and in ruins. the time between Teotihuacan's construction and the Aztecs arrival is larger than the Aztec's arrival to this day.
It was probably built by ancient ancient Mayans before they migrated further south and before they were called Mayan. Mayans had pyramids all over the place.
@@marcusbrody8002 thats not confirmed, its just a theory, and like the commenter above stated they probably were not even called mayams and identified themselves as a completely different culture. We are talking thousandw of years here.
Es la primera vez que escucho este programa y me encanto. Hablan y hacen preguntas tan interesantes que nadie se ha hecho en un salón de clase... Wow que padre hubiera sido que así me enseñarán historia cuando estuve en la escuela.
Ditto!! 100%! I would love to talk with this guy. He almost explains shit like he's high af. Who's about to stop at any point, mid thought, and say " ugh, ya know what I mean?" Lol. I can follow this dudes thought process, and he had me cracking up!
I was at Chichen Itza in 2011. I was standing where they had there games and the the sound was travelling was so precise and calculated. Out of this world !
And if you go to Uxmal, you can say stuff in front of one of the pyramids and the sound comes back out at you through a tunnel as if someone inside is speaking. Must've really wowed crowds when shamans got the gods to speak from inside the pyramids lol
@@benbowland I guess its possible where we get the common folklore or stories that have a talking building or sculpture. I would love for engineers to design a place like this in the modern age.
Joe really needs to do a documentary like Parts Unknown but for ancient civilizations. It would be awesome to see Joe travel, converse and analyze all of the incredible ancient works like pyramids and what not
I don't know about that. Joe don't know much in depth. Amazed that Mexicans speak Spanish bc they were conquered by Spaniards like he just heard it or realized it for the first time ever. 😆
@@mayc8674 I don’t think the host needs to know much about it. If anything it’s better that they don’t know much as it’ll be a learning experience for him and we get to see the reaction on film. It would be annoying if some know it alll went around the world acting like they knew everything about different cultures and societies and it would also be disrespectful to the people of those countries especially if it’s an American dude acting like he knows more than the people themselves
Studying our own Polynesian civilisation has lead us back from the South Pacific Ocean to this land mass and civilisation and people. Our astronomy's are similar, religious beliefs (our gods before christianity) and we have structures (pyramids) build all our our islands that would have been a mimic of the Aztec structures. Would be awesome to have joe do a take on Polynesia.
..it would be subject to academia of the day and whose version is being promulgated as the current narrative. Rapanui, with its statues and written language throw a different perspective on Polynesian settlement patterns compared with other island groups, and add to the milieu of origin and influence. With Cook and other Eurpean explorers being discredited and vilified for their incursions into the Pacific, a Pacific perspective is welcome, but is subject to tribal and regional prejudices that may be detrimental in establishing a clear and honest appraisal of the situation. So who is Joe going to have on the show? The Rock? Manuia.
Legend has it that if you say TeoRoguacan 3 times in the mirror at midnight Joe Rogan will appear with a DMT pipe and give you hand job while you smoke it.
my family owns tons of land around teotiuacan, my mom told me that back in the 80s she went on a trip over there and discovered caves that went underground close to the pyramids, she said that she and her friends went in and found orange/pink pyramids below in the caves and that some of them where upside down. they went back a year later, and the govt locked it up so nobody could go there
I used to be a Boy Scout when I was 10 through 13 and we use to go there and we found and saw things that you are talking about. The most amazing things that we saw in the sky was the ufos flying around the Teotihuacan pyramids, the caves and lots of witchcraft artifacts inside those caves. The adrenaline made my group and a priest to keep searching for more adventures. Thank you @camargo2012 for bringing back memories from my younger days. Blessings 😊
They had wheels they just didn’t really use it for building it was for toys. And Teotihuacán is not Aztec at all it’s like almost a thousand years older than the Aztecs
@DCM88 Actually the initial colonizers were a bunch of criminals which is what the spanish crown lent to Columbus. Their disorganized settlement has even been traced back as one of the reasons of why corruption is so prevalent across Latin america. The anglos might have come with a more straightforward "cleansing" plan because they needed it to clear way for farming, latter industrialization, etc. The iberians might not have had that intention, but did it anyways through the diseases they brought which on their own killed millions.
Upon meeting the Spaniards, the Aztec emperor had his servants burn copal incense and blow its perfumed smokes toward them in order to make their presence tolerable for him and his courts. The conceited conqueror perceived this as an act of worship, giving birth to the false legend about the Aztecs believing him and his men to be deities.
People tend to forget that when Cortes and his small group of Spaniards conquered the Aztecs in Mexico City, they also brought about 100,000 other armed Indians with them that were just a little bit ticked off at the Aztecs.
@@6obert-905 without the white man colonizers I and many other mestizo Mexicans wouldn’t exist. I for one am proud of my conquistador ancestors and my indigenous ones.
@Robert Cavazos Theres plenty of evidence for human sacrifice and cannibalis in Europe. Viking ancient Chinese and other Civilizations have committed these acts.
@@damianlopez9855 The historical concensus is that human sacrifice was much more prevelant in Meso-American civilisations compared to other ones that existed in the same period. If you want to argue human sacrifice on a large scale in Europe, you would have to go back to waaay before the Romans.
Awesome interview! I been in Teotihuacán and Puerto de Palos, Spain where they have replicas of the boats (carabelas) and the only thing that I can say is that I had some weird feelings. Btw, the Aztecs have beautiful poems, especially the ones wrote by Nezahualcóyotl.
Los aztecas era bastente odiados por todas ls demas tribus , eres delenzables hacien cientos de sacrificios de bebes , cortes solo pudo conquistarles porq se le unieron todas las tribus y grupos q estaban sometidos por los aztecas
The mesoamerican cultures knew about the wheel. They have found toys in ruins with wheels. There just wasnt a massive domesticated animal in the americas to be able to pull things.
Yeah but they didn’t use the wheel the way that would have been most useful. I don’t buy the idea that you needed beasts of burden to have the wheel be applied. There were all kinds of human pushed and pulled carts around Europe and Asia and Africa and I feel like being able to push and pull stuff as a human should have reason enough to apply the wheel as a tool to say the wheel barrow or human powered carts. What you’re saying is like saying Leif Erickson discovered the Americas which yeah he landed here but did not know the significance of his landing.
Increíble la desinformación. Créeme si supieras de historia estarías hasta feliz de que el imperio Azteca fue vencido por españoles y otras etnias indígenas de México. Tienes de Mejica lo mismo de inteligente.
Sorry to break it to you bud, but the mexicas pretty much died out after the conquest. Your thoughts are based on the national identity created by the mexican government after the independence from Spain.
Teotihuacan wasn't built by the Aztecs. It was built a thousand years before the Aztecs migrated to that region. The Aztecs saw it as an ancient mystery they could explain no more than we can, though they did name the site, Teotihuacan. Joe is correct about the thousands of sacrifices - the Aztecs were bloodthirsty in that respect; but that had nothing to do with Teotihuacan.
Teotihuacan was a multi ethnic city of a population of 200,000 plus. Cultures in the city were Zapotec, Tarascan, Maya, Shoshonian ethnic people as far north as the US Southwest and had goods as far as Brazil and mica from the Great Lakes region.
That's right. Although Teotihuacan is a name given by archeologists, not by the aztecs. Olmecs were the real civilization, everyone else took beliefs and knowledge from them. Aztecs were one of the many cultures living at the time, who imposed themselves over others already there with their organized military structure.
Joe isn’t laughing because he’s so intrigued about what Hommes is talking about. Hommes says something, joe grasps it then his mind wanders off during the clever dad jokes
@@RizztrainingOrder depends on who he has on the podcast. These are entertainers. I wouldn't expect them to have many details about historical content.
The Spanish had MASSIVE help from other tribes who HATED the Aztecs and couldn't wait to get back at them. Cortez was a master politician and had little to do with military skill or ppl thinking he was a God. Other tribes hated the Aztecs. This idea that the Aztecs were benevolent rulers and the Spanish were just that smart or militarily skilled is a myth.
Native allies were a big part of it, but Cortes and his lot were definitely capable soldiers. The Tlascala only joined with them after the Spanish fought them in battle, and Cortes defeated a larger Cuban expedition sent to stop his conquest of Mexico.
That's some what true but the Spanish were enslaving certain tribes and forcing them to work and protect them from hostile tribes. What we call Aztec were people that migrated from Polynesian area's throughout the Pacific into the Americas that encountered a conquered certain civilization's 1000's of yrs ago. There's ruin's in south America that predates any thing that Aztecs or Inca people were building or constructing plus Spain had to bring black moor's in as guide's because they were encountering certain civilization for hundreds of years before any white Spaniard set foot in the Americas.
@@stoneloc8979 you're a racist sir. Was it brown ppl???? No, it was black ppl who did it!!! Was it brown ppl??? No, it was Polynesian ppl who did it!!! Ppl like you can't give ANY credit to native Mexicans who immigrated from asia 1000s of year's ago. No!!! it HAD to be black ppl or Polynesian ppl. I can tell by your name that you're a racist.
Joe just ignores his pun jokes the whole interview, the whale did it on 'porpoise', building without wheels must have been 'wheely' hard. Joe 'just keep talking' Rogan
They also speak french in Louisiana and the Northeast, used to in other places as well(Acadians, cajuns, metis, Houma nation, and creoles). It was just banned and faced a lot of discrimination so it's dying the same way it is outside Quebec in Canada. Anglophones just cannot stand other languages
@@thetruthhurts6652 That does nothing for the french communities outside Quebec, they are still being rapidly assimilated as a result of old government policy and the failure of the canadian/american government to rectify it. The only reason French still has a future in Quebec is they had too many people for the anglophones to successfully subjugate them anymore, and francophones were able to take control of their own government. French speakers have hardly any linguistic rights outside quebec.
I’ve always wanted a sick Netflix series about the Aztec or any of the empires … made just like thrones… imagine how legendary that would be! Season upon seasons …
@Luis Reyes nobody would be able to do it justice. So much of the culture and stories were lost when the Spanish colonized that region and forced Catholicism. Natives of North America were more able to preserve some of their culture and stories because of the reservations.
Do you realize how hard it would be to emulate or even figure out their lifestyle back then? They didn't have books or paintings like we had. The history is so sparse. It wouldn't work at all like game of thrones. That's such an arrogant white westerner thing to say. It would be like a bunch of white people making Aztecs look like medieval white people.
One thing, Teotihuacan was not built by the Aztecs/Mexicas. By the time they entered the valley of Mexico, Teotihuacan had already been abandoned. Aztecs were nomads, and settled in current day Mexico City. It is believed that the Aztecs were among people that migrated from Arizona and were the modern day Hopi. Other than that, I really recommend everyone go to Teotihuacan and if they’re around Mexico City visit “El Templo Mayor” which was actually built by Aztecs/Mexicas.
I understand that they were trying to settle and were kind of mistreated by everyone already there. So they got to become tough and militar so they could be respected. And they gain their respect, building a city on a lake, and subjugating other through militar campaings, but also gained their fear and resentment.
@@MrErickloli yes that caused their ultimate downfall. The Spanish found tons of rival nations and moved to work together with them as they were originally outnumbered 10 to 1.
@@stevn7489 Yes, Templo Mayor is in La Plaza de Las Tres Culturas. It is still in ruins, however visiting the museum is worth checking out. I also really recommend visiting the Museo Nacional de Antropología.
@@antoniotellez8461 if it’s the one across from the Chapultepec grounds, I’ve gone already. In other words ya fui compa. Great stuff, I went after taking a Modern Mexico History class so I was my own tour guide.
Please have a historian of imperial Spain on, Joe. It's would really clear some stuff up. You keep coming back to the subject and an expert voice would be a great addition.
I visited the Monte Alban ruins in Oaxaca Mexico thinking it was gonna be a boring assembly of ruined temples, but wow I was overwhelmed with the design and geometry of the place. I felt like I stepped into a geometric vortex.
12:16 No, Joe, Mexicans were NOT conquered by the Spaniards...the Aztecs were. Mexicans are the result of Spaniards absorbing and mixing with whatever remnants were left of the indigenous population of Mexico. This happened in the course of three hundred years (1521-1821). In some areas in Mexico, particularly in the South and Southeastern regions of the country, indigenous communities became isolated and kept their language, culture, and traditions to a high degree. In the Central region, the intermarriage between the indigenous people and the Spanish settlers occurred at a much higher rate. In some other areas (i.e. Northern and Western Mexico), there wasn't that much mixing between Spaniards and indigenous people because there weren't that many indigenous people to begin with...which is why the European admixture here can go up to 70% or more, on average. Nonetheless, I would like to thank you for at least bringing Mexico and its history up for discussion in your show.
In Bernal Diaz “the Conquest of New Spain”, the Iberians found a ship wrecked Spanish sailor who was living with the Natives. He said “In Europe I am no one, here I am someone.”
You left out the part where the entire crew was sacrificed or enslaved, and he and Geronimo d'Aguilar escaped in the night, and how Aguilar remained a slave while he became a war advisor because of his battle skills.
Aztecs did have a wheel they just didn’t use it for work they used it for toys. Why? Simple geography of the area made using it difficult, also no beasts of burden to move things.
After the formalities, Moctezuma: It seems some members of my council believe that certain obscure prophecies are fulfilled with your arrival, *General* Cortés. But I see a man before me, not a god. Cortés: Belief is a powerful ally, Lord Moctezuma, although I share your skepticism about my godhood. However, your mortal enemies, the fierce Tlaxcalteca, with an army 200,000-strong, now believe that myth. Of course, enlightenment came to them only after we decimated their army. Moctezuma: Yes, I have heard of your exploits and adventures in the provinces. Please be my honored guest so that we may further discuss the political future of the land; perhaps we can reach some sort of arrangement. Cortés: It would be my great honor to be your... guest, Lord Moctezuma. (to be continued)
I think Aztecs initially, having never seen horses before, believed that an armored man on a horse was one large animal. Perhaps a godlike fusion of man and beast. "Aztec", a novel by Gary Jennings, is an epic and well-researched historical fiction novel and should be read by anyone interested in Aztec life and culture. That is, as we understand it...
@Sebastian Benitez A Mexican saying the USA is shit? That's mighty rich amigo. Mexico is like one of those fish that attaches itself to a shark to survive, and that shark is the USA. We have a symbiotic relationship. The deal has been very beneficial for Mexico. Soon, the shark is going to want some reciprocation. We absorb your people, but not your land and resources. Maybe it's time for some new states.
One thing is for certain, damn near everywhere where people started settling and building, they were just either building on top of an already built civilization or just occupied it.
I guess you’d could say the Aztecs were ‘Queens of the Stone Age’ Edit- I’m well aware of the historical inaccuracy of the joke. Jesus if you don’t like it then just move on.
My impulse, if I were in that conversation is to fact check them constantly, because they are saying some VERY wrong things. I'm sure It would blow their minds that Aztecs are originally from the American Southwest, and migrated to the Mexico plains in 500AD. Teotihuacan was finished is 300AD, so it wasn't built by the Aztecs. But they later found the structure and renamed it Teotihuacan. The Aztec Empire started in the 1400s (Cortez appeared in 1519). Once the Aztecs proved their dominance over a tribe, that tribe has to pay a tribute to them, part of that tribute is sending people to be sacrificed. Aztec were pretty hard core into human sacrifices, compared to other tribes, because in their religion/mythology, Gods fed on human blood, and not giving them sustenance would mean the sun would stop rising and chaos would prevail. As for Spanish Conquistadors: they didn't fight the Aztecs alone. They had a lot of help from the Tlaxcalans and the Cempoalans who didn't like the Aztecs. As for the Spanish themselves, they were catholics. In Christianity, there are no human sacrifices (there's a symbolic one), so for them, the Indians were like devil worshippers because ...I mean, you watch any guy getting his heart ripped out of his chest, and you're going to think "Wow! The people doing this are seriously fucked in the head".
Josh and Rogan are talking about how there were 89,000 people killed during the construction of the Teotihuacán temple. If you look at the average population of Teotihuacán it says an average of 100,000. That literally makes no sense.
all of what you said is true, and that 80,000 was probably exaggerated by the spanish to make the Aztecs look worse than what they were really doing.. but you are completely correct about the other tribes that helped cortez.. and don't forget the melinchi.. cortez's translator..
I remember when I went to Peru, they kept saying that the Inca's were the ones that *found* Manchu Picchu and weren't the ones that built it. I imagine its the same for all the ancient cultures and their wonders.
@@GrumpyVetTrucker that reminds me of the fact that there's more time between Cleopatra and the great Pyramids than Cleopatra and today. I know that's a completely different thing than what we're talking about, but it blows my mind when I think about it.
They actually welcome the Spaniards and lived with them for a year the entire time Spaniards were ploting and making alliances with tribes that the Aztecs didn't approve off. Montezuma was not elected as all the other Emperors before him were. The Emperors had to be high ranking military warriors but Montezuma he was a priest and not an honorable warrior that contributed in big part to the conquista.
Anyone could be an emperor of Tenochtitlán. Even a slave. To the mexica what mattered more was how strong and smart a leader was more than rank, a charismatic slave who has a high IQ and more battle experience than a dumb fat noble is going to be a better choice to run their empire
@@liam4686 yeah i guess thats maybe a bit the american perspective that its so old. i remeber when i was in australia my guest family was super hyped about a trip to a 90 year old water tower wich was the oldest thing in like a 300km radius...
@Kay Theo how amazing of a place to live was your homeland when you know who got rid of the evil small hats. They've been kicked out if 300+ countries throughout history.
Yes the Spanish had indigenous allies that hated the Aztecs. Plus the Spanish had a bunch of nasty diseases that wreaked havoc on the Aztecs and the muskets, armor that made them invisible, horses etc.
Truth. It is part of the arrogant European mindset that a "few spaniards killed millions of natives". Eh, no they did not. They had a military advantage, no doubt, they had the element of surprise and more importantly they had the mindset of conquerors and colonizers. But none of these things would have mattered if they had not had the help of tens of thousands warriors from tribes that were already being oppressed by the Aztecs.
@I AM WHAT I AM they didnt teach Spanish shit. When Cortes first landed he was getting attacked fuked up the natives easily didnt lose a single man. The tribe leader was so impressed he gave him women.
I like these Rogan podcasts way better than his 3 hrs talkin about comedians in the business I have no idea of and all of their stage stories going back into the 80s. This right here though….getting those eureka facts every other minute which keeps me even more engaged. I never knew they made ponds specifically to have an HD screen of the night stars so they can track time and the calendar better. Makes more sense to look down then up when researching anyways. Very cool.. Getting small facts like that that ive never knew about is so much cooler and fun than the other podcasts that only talk about mma, health science and comedians. Talk about more discoveries, breakthroughs, future technology gov secrets , historical discoveries…and just all those sorts of “did you know”… type of content. Its fun
Nobody mentions how Joe interrupts to say "No, you don't have to look that way. You look that way," talking about the screens, to where then Josh Homme finishes telling about a reflecting pool.
@@sebastianpye9328 "It is about as mindblowing as the fact that americans speak english" Yeah, how weird is that? England is, like, way over there, maaan.
Cyberbird86 hahaha that reminds me of a coworker said so you speak Mexican no I speak Spanish and he said no you speak Mexican and I told him so you speak White and we ended that conversation right there and then
There are Aztec writings about their view of seeing the Spanish horses for the first time. I think it was a member of Moctezumas 'court' who met Cortes when the Spanish landed. The Aztec describes horses as huge deer. These Aztecs also thought horses were super aggressive because Cortes tricked them with a stallion who was freaking out because he was being restrained. The Aztecs didn't know there was a mare in heat behind them which is why the stallion was reacting so wildly which they interpreted as aggression. Also South America is divided linguistically as a side effect of a Papal edict dividing South America between Spain and Portugal - Treaty of Tordesillas. EDIT: This comment was targeted at very specific relevant points being discussed in the video. I am aware of the wider history around the Aztecs and the Treaty of Tordesillas. This comment was just an example of a couple of interesting annecdotes about the history of the Americas.
You can definitely see the disconnect from the rest of the world when you see what the Egyptians, Aztecs, Mayans were able to achieve, build, and discover. This kind-of stuff blows my mind and intrigues me to learn more about them.
There is 3k years of difference between Egypt and the Aztecs. The Aztecs were hundreds of years behind the Muslim Empire which were their contemporaries.
@Ocelotl Huitztecol Yes, they were comparable to ancient civilizations, thousands of years older. They were not at the level of the XVI century Empires. The Old World had walled cites, large scale metallurgy, huge cast iron cannons, gunpowder, guns, ocean worthy ships, navigational tools, clock, cartography, financial systems, advanced architecture, usage of the wheel for transportation and power such as windmill, and you could go on. I'm not "popoing" the advanced American civilizations. But they were advanced in comparison to other american tribes, or compared to ancient civilizations. Not compared to XVI Century Europe, Middle East or China. That's a myth.
@Ocelotl Huitztecol Should you go on? Did you think you made a point? You named waste control through public services, public bathrooms, aqueducts and the size of the city. Waste control, public services and sanitation were probably better than in Europe and Tenochtitlan was a large city, no doubt about it, although size itself does not grants a civilization the term advanced, rather just large. On the other hand public bathrooms and aqueducts existed in Rome 1000 years earlier, along with the use of cement, building apartment complexes, bronze working, iron working, seafaring, etc. There are 5 to 10 advances that were available in the Old World and not in the Aztec Empire for each one that you can count the other way. Again, considering the Mesoamerican civilizations "advanced" directly in comparison with the state of the "advanced" Empires of the old world in the XVI century is incorrect. BTW, you can add public education to the list of things the Aztecs had implemented that was not seeing as such in Europe until much later. I'm not calling them primitive, they were more advanced than some European regions, more than almost all of Africa, more than the tribers from the asian plains. They were not "advanced" compared to the established European Kingdoms, the Muslim Empire, the Ming Dinasty, etc.
“In 1776 I wasn’t alive, and I’m ready to admit that” that was a brave confession sir. God bless you.
Lol underrated comment
Such a courageous act indeed.
It is funny. But i think its more about admitting to your ignorance and not pretending that you know history as if you know it to be 100% factual or that you have all the knowledge and others don't.
It's his polite way of saying he doesn't know everything, and doesn't pretend to like some others.
@HANG RIOTERS more honest than a politician**
This guy’s dad jokes are pretty good and Joe ignoring them makes them even better.
You mean like "don't squeeze the shaman"?
@@RayRand or like when he says "that would be wheely hard"😂
“they speak spainish” 😂
kmolu best one lol
No one knows
As a history geek and a Mexican who’s obsessed with his indigenous ancestry, I’ve been dying for Hollywood to make a perfect film on the conquest of Latin America. Mexicos entire history, dating back to pre-conquest, is it’s very own entire series of Game Of Thrones, I shit you not! It’s intense, bloody, corrupt, betrayal, filled with redemption, honorable, remarkable - all in one.
The OLMECS!!! are the most interesting. Not enough is known about them. I believe they are older than Aztec and Mayan.
If that happens, it will have to be done by a director like Iñaritu, or Cuarón. They are at the top of the mountain when it comes to Latin directors.
Closest film is Apocalypto.
@Akoire …no cigar
Fr it has its own Game of Thrones
Im from Colombia, and speak Spanish. I went to Cancun 2 years ago and noticed a lot of the locals were speaking a different language I had never heard before. When I finally asked a merchant I bought a necklace from what language was he speaking. He told me "Maya". I was blown away. Amazing how hundreds (if not thousands) of years later people are still speaking an ancient language.
También en Colombia hay tribus que conservan sus lenguas
Yup, those are the indigenous usually most of them were discriminated against in their own country. My grandma spoke Zapotec and didn’tteach her children because she was embarrassed and didn’t want her children to suffer growing up in a spanish conquered homeland that why usually the politicians in latin countries look more European than indigenous
Cancun es mas Venezolano que quintanaroense la vdd.
deja tu wey ke lo hablen todavía existen y somos el pais #1 d América 🇲🇽🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Mexicans learned Spanish from the Spaniards when they invaded and not all Mexicans speak Spanish. Theres more languages
Stuck here being an average civilian with a birthmark when I could have been a shaman.
Its gotta B on ya head tho
Yea gotta be on the head
My thoughts exactly 😭
Does it have to be a birthmark ?is a more considered a birthmark?these are true questions of a shaman
Life.
3:45
Josh: “That must have be wheely hard”
Joe: *Completely misses the epic dad joke*
This is not my first tike watching this, if you havent said it I wouldn't have known tbh.
Looool
Loved the dad joke!!!
I think he’s the ignoring it lol. The guy was constantly making puns and plays on words... hi (high) shaman... squeeze the charmin (shaman) ... then hit him with wheelie hard... joe prbly couldnt take anymore amateur popsicle stick jokes.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The aztec empire is heavily underrated.
The Aztecs didn't live in Teotihuacan, that city had been abandoned for centuries when the Aztecs existed. Aztecs lived a few miles away in a city called Tenochtitlan (which is buried under Mexico City's Downtown).
@@GatitaLindaRawr why is it buried ? And is apacolypto the movie Aztec ?
@@allanreyna9112 no those where Mayans not Aztecs
@@allanreyna9112 The Spanish built over Tenochtitlan.
@@hoosiernative9668 no, that movie was based off the Aztecs, not the Mayas
As a man of Mexican descent this is good to hear people's perspective about my ancestry I did a DNA test and 53% of my ancestry is from the Iberian peninsula and the rest is from Mexico
Mestiso.
This guy is invited to the carne asada. I got a tia for you bro, she only got 2 kids.
😂😂
Asada??
@@gboogie360 carne asada translates to grilled meat, but it's more like a Hispanic/Latino version of a classic American BBQ.
JAJAJAJAJA ALV
@@gboogie360 a bbq lol
Josh's tshirts as old as the Aztecs 😂
Holy shit. My birthday pre dates the Aztecs. Whooooaa
You have to wear those old special t-shirts until they fall apart! ;) I know I've had some riddles with holes and you just hate to throw them out
@@debbienorthcutt7768 Those are the most comfy ones!
He bought it like that
why waste money on new ones when the old ones work just fine
“What goes on here matters, and if that is your focus, think how wonderful it could be”.
I like the way he thinks.
I am Mexican. I live in the north part of the country but I do admire the Aztec culture from the center of Mexico. However I must admit that the Aztecs were actually pretty brutal oppresors. Theirs was an empire of nightmares and wonders....
Well, teotihuacans are aztecs are two different cultures
No different what christians did to each other!
The Romans killed people in a stadium and enslaved people as well but everyone talks highly of them without mentioning their brutality. What's the difference from what the Mexica did. They were an advanced civilization if you looked past all the other things.
@@michael85225 yup it’s the European way of tearing down our people and dehumanizing them
I trust the Mexica peoples more than Cortez and his genocidal army of Spanish mercenaries.
Josh just goes over it, but when I found out about the usage of ponds to look at the stars through their reflection, it just blew my mind. It's such an ingenious way to study the sky.
@Damon Sasser holy shit
It really is
It's so simple.... It's easy to over analyze.
Also the earth mic
I don't understand what makes that ingenious
The Aztecs had wheels, it's just that they're not very useful when the terrain is mostly rivers and mountains. Heavy transport took place by boat. They didn't have horses or oxen to pull heavy carts, so a wheel has limited utility. They were used mostly for toys.
it's called roads
@@truthmonster3290 well, bridges in this case. And they'd need much more of them, and better, than Europeans would. Also, it's tough to move all that stone without oxcarts. No cows, no horses. Llamas and alpacas just aren't as strong. EDIT: llamas and alpacas were an Inca thing. The Aztecs didn't have them. My bad.
@@unclescipio3136 The Swiss managed just fine, with roads, built by engineers, in Europe, in the Alps, a mountain chain you may of heard of.
@@truthmonster3290 with horses. And oxen. And donkeys and mules. And after advanced road networks and construction methods had been developed in the lowlands by other civilisations, who also possessed these resources. The Aztecs were pretty damned smart, building a major civilisation with a fraction of the resources Europeans had. If they didn't use wheels on a large scale, it wasn't because they hadn't noticed they go round and round and stuff.
@@unclescipio3136 they didn't even use arches, it was a long rectangle rock on top of the doors. they couldn't sail to Europe because they didn't know how. If they did sail to Europe their disease would have spread, they would have showed no mercy. There were plenty of animals here to pull carts, including humans. So, give Europeans credit. Thank You Europe, say it with me, Thank You White Man.
just for the record, when the Aztecs arrived to the Mexico Valley, they found Teotihuacan LONG forgotten and in ruins.
the time between Teotihuacan's construction and the Aztecs arrival is larger than the Aztec's arrival to this day.
Chingon
It was probably built by ancient ancient Mayans before they migrated further south and before they were called Mayan. Mayans had pyramids all over the place.
I was just about to write that it was built by Mayans long before the Aztecs
@@marcusbrody8002 thats not confirmed, its just a theory, and like the commenter above stated they probably were not even called mayams and identified themselves as a completely different culture. We are talking thousandw of years here.
They took over it from another civilization. They were a warrior tribe.
Es la primera vez que escucho este programa y me encanto. Hablan y hacen preguntas tan interesantes que nadie se ha hecho en un salón de clase... Wow que padre hubiera sido que así me enseñarán historia cuando estuve en la escuela.
Joe really needs to respect this guys puns more.
Word
@Ska Krew Actually, she gone!!!
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Dude's humor was under appreciated.
Ditto!! 100%!
I would love to talk with this guy. He almost explains shit like he's high af. Who's about to stop at any point, mid thought, and say " ugh, ya know what I mean?" Lol. I can follow this dudes thought process, and he had me cracking up!
Absolutely, guy is funny.
I was at Chichen Itza in 2011. I was standing where they had there games and the the sound was travelling was so precise and calculated. Out of this world !
SVfighter1 chichen itza is mayan
That acoustic "miracle" also exists in the mayan city of Chichen-Itza
Went there on honeymoon. I was impressed by that.
And if you go to Uxmal, you can say stuff in front of one of the pyramids and the sound comes back out at you through a tunnel as if someone inside is speaking. Must've really wowed crowds when shamans got the gods to speak from inside the pyramids lol
@@benbowland I guess its possible where we get the common folklore or stories that have a talking building or sculpture. I would love for engineers to design a place like this in the modern age.
And if you clap in front of the Pyramid it sounds like the Quetzal bird, that's was adored by the Mayans
So what's the place/mound actually called? I'm trying to find it.
Joe really needs to do a documentary like Parts Unknown but for ancient civilizations. It would be awesome to see Joe travel, converse and analyze all of the incredible ancient works like pyramids and what not
now thats a great idea I most def would see that
WHITES ARE RED DEVILS DISGUSTING CAUCASIANS LAND THIEFS ENVIOUS DEVILS
Joe needs to watch a few documentaries first
I don't know about that. Joe don't know much in depth. Amazed that Mexicans speak Spanish bc they were conquered by Spaniards like he just heard it or realized it for the first time ever. 😆
@@mayc8674 I don’t think the host needs to know much about it. If anything it’s better that they don’t know much as it’ll be a learning experience for him and we get to see the reaction on film. It would be annoying if some know it alll went around the world acting like they knew everything about different cultures and societies and it would also be disrespectful to the people of those countries especially if it’s an American dude acting like he knows more than the people themselves
This guy is cracking himself up but it seems to going over joe’s head
Could joe possibly be a comedy snob!!?
Such a cool guy! Id love to be at a BBQ with him, He is hilarious
Cracking up because it's so amazing, you just have to be excited dontcha.
Sometimes joe needs to lighten up like not everyone on your show is a comedian. Forgive me for trying fuck lol
That shiny bald head
Joe "I'm just realizing the Spaniards are why Mexicans speak Spanish" Rogan
Many people overlook this fact. Many people are confused as to the racial identity of Latinos.
Joe acting like me when I found out Cameroon people speak French
... you all speak good English in America, Australia, South Africa...
They actually speak Nahuatl, Spanish was the conquered language...
@@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158 "Mexicans" wasn't still a thing tho
This guy sounds like the nicest dude ever 😅
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Studying our own Polynesian civilisation has lead us back from the South Pacific Ocean to this land mass and civilisation and people. Our astronomy's are similar, religious beliefs (our gods before christianity) and we have structures (pyramids) build all our our islands that would have been a mimic of the Aztec structures. Would be awesome to have joe do a take on Polynesia.
This!! It’s a well known fact we brought chickens to the Americas so we may have been there thousands of years ago.
Joe will have some ia gale moments, jk, but yea that’d be mean bro
Tribal bro
..it would be subject to academia of the day and whose version is being promulgated as the current narrative. Rapanui, with its statues and written language throw a different perspective on Polynesian settlement patterns compared with other island groups, and add to the milieu of origin and influence. With Cook and other Eurpean explorers being discredited and vilified for their incursions into the Pacific, a Pacific perspective is welcome, but is subject to tribal and regional prejudices that may be detrimental in establishing a clear and honest appraisal of the situation. So who is Joe going to have on the show? The Rock? Manuia.
WHITES ARE RED DEVILS DISGUSTING CAUCASIANS LAND THIEFS ENVIOUS DEVILS
Aztecs + DMT 3 times a day = TeotiRoguacan
Not bad, not bad. Original
Original mister
Legend has it that if you say TeoRoguacan 3 times in the mirror at midnight Joe Rogan will appear with a DMT pipe and give you hand job while you smoke it.
@@peterhaag9344 im too high for this man 😂😂
Peter Haag that’s a great bit dude
I feel like this guy looks up the grown up version of Dash from the incredibles lol
Hahahahaha
Most underrated comment ever
Hory shet
Every once in a while YT will provide quality roasts like this one lol
Neil Marciano lmao
Give this dude a new shirt at least for his intellect.
no
He loves his shirt like I love my wife.
@@Viceroy11011 how's that?
@@JuancoPRoFlow it was a joke. I was going to say something smart about "till it's worn out" but I don't have a wife.
@@Viceroy11011 lmao. Should have said it before. Lol
my family owns tons of land around teotiuacan, my mom told me that back in the 80s she went on a trip over there and discovered caves that went underground close to the pyramids, she said that she and her friends went in and found orange/pink pyramids below in the caves and that some of them where upside down. they went back a year later, and the govt locked it up so nobody could go there
😮
I used to be a Boy Scout when I was 10 through 13 and we use to go there and we found and saw things that you are talking about. The most amazing things that we saw in the sky was the ufos flying around the Teotihuacan pyramids, the caves and lots of witchcraft artifacts inside those caves. The adrenaline made my group and a priest to keep searching for more adventures. Thank you @camargo2012 for bringing back memories from my younger days. Blessings 😊
“Wheelie hard” no one caught that lol
I did.
David Kowalsky on the show smart ass
Well you obviously did
Baylee Siedr joe 100% acknowledged it
@@matthewkeogh1427Yeah, Joe just didn't think it was that great.
these temples should be on everyones bucket list. They're amazing and makes you question life itself...
They had wheels they just didn’t really use it for building it was for toys. And Teotihuacán is not Aztec at all it’s like almost a thousand years older than the Aztecs
You're right ...Tenochtitlan is Aztec (templo major)
They are both Anawak civilization.
Azteca were a confederation of three tribes, Mexica being the most powerful. There were cities that were abandoned.
Aztec is not a real word in our ancient tribes language. A german archeologist invented that word cause he didn't know how to read our language.
I just read that the Aztecs came to it later and named it teotihuacan
The Aztecs interest me so much. Very interesting things to learn about their civilization.
"Two stoners talk about stuff they don't really understand"
Thank you
Yeah. Teotihuacan wasn't even Aztec. Its an olmec sight.
also the Aztecs had the wheel, they just used it for things like children's toys. no beasts of burden...
@DCM88 Actually the initial colonizers were a bunch of criminals which is what the spanish crown lent to Columbus. Their disorganized settlement has even been traced back as one of the reasons of why corruption is so prevalent across Latin america. The anglos might have come with a more straightforward "cleansing" plan because they needed it to clear way for farming, latter industrialization, etc. The iberians might not have had that intention, but did it anyways through the diseases they brought which on their own killed millions.
DCM88 if you were to ask the Native Americans they would say the English were a shit, the Spanish a shit with a cherry on top.
He's desperate to ask if josh has taken dmt
Well we know he’s at least taken nicotine, Valium, Vicodin, marijuana, ecstasy, and alcohol.
Also, cocaine.
Alex Knowlton and possibly meth
@@alexknowlton4038 thank you. Lord thank you.
There’s a %100 chance Josh Homme has taken DMT in some form
Oh he definitely has.
There's very little Josh hasn't taken imo
Guy seems like a real cool humbled dude
He's a singer queen of stoneage
Looks like a stoner surfer dude
@@edvas625 Well he is from California
@@edvas625 Well he is without a doubt one of the four cornerstone of stoner rock. And from Palm Springs, CA. So you are right on both parts.
No one knows
When the Moctezuma met the Spanish he said they stunk very bad. In those days showering 🧼 for the Europeans wasn’t a daily thing.
Still isn’t.
Upon meeting the Spaniards, the Aztec emperor had his servants burn copal incense and blow its perfumed smokes toward them in order to make their presence tolerable for him and his courts. The conceited conqueror perceived this as an act of worship, giving birth to the false legend about the Aztecs believing him and his men to be deities.
Showering for them was more like a once in a life time thing 🤢☠
People tend to forget that when Cortes and his small group of Spaniards conquered the Aztecs in Mexico City, they also brought about 100,000 other armed Indians with them that were just a little bit ticked off at the Aztecs.
Redit?
Very true.
Google Malinche for those curious.
Cortez*
Cortez didn't conquered shit
I've been to Teotihuacan and all I can say is that it's mesmerizing. A must go if around CDMX
Damn I'm Mexican and i have the birthmark, I'd be a shaman
you wouldve been without the wh*te man colonizer
@@6obert-905 without the white man colonizers I and many other mestizo Mexicans wouldn’t exist. I for one am proud of my conquistador ancestors and my indigenous ones.
@Robert Cavazos Theres plenty of evidence for human sacrifice and cannibalis in Europe. Viking ancient Chinese and other Civilizations have committed these acts.
@@damianlopez9855 The historical concensus is that human sacrifice was much more prevelant in Meso-American civilisations compared to other ones that existed in the same period. If you want to argue human sacrifice on a large scale in Europe, you would have to go back to waaay before the Romans.
Hello fellow shaman , I also am Mexican with a birthmark mark on my head.
Awesome interview! I been in Teotihuacán and Puerto de Palos, Spain where they have replicas of the boats (carabelas) and the only thing that I can say is that I had some weird feelings.
Btw, the Aztecs have beautiful poems, especially the ones wrote by Nezahualcóyotl.
Los aztecas era bastente odiados por todas ls demas tribus , eres delenzables hacien cientos de sacrificios de bebes , cortes solo pudo conquistarles porq se le unieron todas las tribus y grupos q estaban sometidos por los aztecas
The mesoamerican cultures knew about the wheel. They have found toys in ruins with wheels. There just wasnt a massive domesticated animal in the americas to be able to pull things.
Ya, probably confusing Mexican aboriginals with American and Canadian
Yeah but they didn’t use the wheel the way that would have been most useful. I don’t buy the idea that you needed beasts of burden to have the wheel be applied. There were all kinds of human pushed and pulled carts around Europe and Asia and Africa and I feel like being able to push and pull stuff as a human should have reason enough to apply the wheel as a tool to say the wheel barrow or human powered carts. What you’re saying is like saying Leif Erickson discovered the Americas which yeah he landed here but did not know the significance of his landing.
@@KevMarsh-314 im sure the kingdoms did. The "aztec" built in a lake kingdom used their water systems though.
Kevin the wheel was not used because of how mountainous the terrain is in Mexico Its easier to carry than to drag or push basically..
@Favel Konefka.Troll
Josh giggling at his wheel pun at 3:45 killed me
Definitely proud to be Mexica 🇲🇽
Increíble la desinformación. Créeme si supieras de historia estarías hasta feliz de que el imperio Azteca fue vencido por españoles y otras etnias indígenas de México.
Tienes de Mejica lo mismo de inteligente.
You're not Mexica
Sorry to break it to you bud, but the mexicas pretty much died out after the conquest. Your thoughts are based on the national identity created by the mexican government after the independence from Spain.
@@chevchelios5668 Jajajaja, así es , lo mejor que pudo pasar al centro de Mexico fue haber derrotado al imperio azteca.
“Don’t squeeze the Shaman” had my dying lol
Clarification: that wasn't Aztecs, that was built by the "Teotihuacanos" and Aztecs found it in their way in to the Land.
With Love:
A Mexican.
I thought these were created by the Olmec or tolmec? asking for clarification.
I thought that it was still unknown who really built those structures...
You’re wrong
@@saxonelyaman9212 Care to Elaborate?
@@GV_777YT They probably got it mixed up with Tenochitlan since that and Teotihuacan got similar sounding names
Teotihuacan wasn't built by the Aztecs. It was built a thousand years before the Aztecs migrated to that region. The Aztecs saw it as an ancient mystery they could explain no more than we can, though they did name the site, Teotihuacan. Joe is correct about the thousands of sacrifices - the Aztecs were bloodthirsty in that respect; but that had nothing to do with Teotihuacan.
Teotihuacan was a multi ethnic city of a population of 200,000 plus. Cultures in the city were Zapotec, Tarascan, Maya, Shoshonian ethnic people as far north as the US Southwest and had goods as far as Brazil and mica from the Great Lakes region.
That's right. Although Teotihuacan is a name given by archeologists, not by the aztecs. Olmecs were the real civilization, everyone else took beliefs and knowledge from them. Aztecs were one of the many cultures living at the time, who imposed themselves over others already there with their organized military structure.
So called blacks and the first invaders the Mongoloids that crossed the Bearing Straight
Well I'm happy you had you time traveling machine to know all this lol
@@CarlosRamirez-wr8lm It's called history. Try it sometime. It's interesting.
You know there’s so much more to learn about the Aztecs. I wish the government could invest more time in their study at school. Thank you Joe.
Why? No actual reason
Joe isn’t laughing because he’s so intrigued about what Hommes is talking about. Hommes says something, joe grasps it then his mind wanders off during the clever dad jokes
Yeah exactly lol. Love it when joe gets really focused and you can just read his face trying to figure out shit 😂
Yep I see that too, just because he doesn't laugh at his jokes doesn't mean that he's intentionally ignoring them.
You thought they were "clever?" Hmm...
Joe is slow. He’s high all the time. Same with the theo von podcasts, theo’s jokes fly over his bald head all the time
He heard the word “gorilla” and went down his own tangent in his head.
Teotihuacan predates the Aztecs by 900 years.
Exactly
Let the white people talk. It's for entertaining purposes. Lol.
I'm being Sarcastic.
But you are correct.
Some details just get missed in conversation. Or tours.
Hahaha I can't understand how they state it with certainty and conviction. Smh.......Didn't Rogan himself claim his talks are educational? 🤔
@@RizztrainingOrder depends on who he has on the podcast. These are entertainers. I wouldn't expect them to have many details about historical content.
The Spanish had MASSIVE help from other tribes who HATED the Aztecs and couldn't wait to get back at them. Cortez was a master politician and had little to do with military skill or ppl thinking he was a God. Other tribes hated the Aztecs.
This idea that the Aztecs were benevolent rulers and the Spanish were just that smart or militarily skilled is a myth.
Native allies were a big part of it, but Cortes and his lot were definitely capable soldiers. The Tlascala only joined with them after the Spanish fought them in battle, and Cortes defeated a larger Cuban expedition sent to stop his conquest of Mexico.
@@triplehernan5155 you're a racist, sir. You hate native Mexicans and love white Europeans.
That's some what true but the Spanish were enslaving certain tribes and forcing them to work and protect them from hostile tribes. What we call Aztec were people that migrated from Polynesian area's throughout the Pacific into the Americas that encountered a conquered certain civilization's 1000's of yrs ago. There's ruin's in south America that predates any thing that Aztecs or Inca people were building or constructing plus Spain had to bring black moor's in as guide's because they were encountering certain civilization for hundreds of years before any white Spaniard set foot in the Americas.
@@stoneloc8979 you're a racist sir. Was it brown ppl???? No, it was black ppl who did it!!! Was it brown ppl??? No, it was Polynesian ppl who did it!!!
Ppl like you can't give ANY credit to native Mexicans who immigrated from asia 1000s of year's ago. No!!! it HAD to be black ppl or Polynesian ppl. I can tell by your name that you're a racist.
@@stoneloc8979 your name says it all. "Smith" is the last name of a racist.
Josh is such a rare guy, so sensitive, so charming and funny, clever, yet a fucking genius badass poet who reinvented the guitar.
This guys jokes 😂😂😂 gots my high ass pausing and laughing my ass off
Same lolll
The wheel one was good one too
Josh with the jokes..."wheely hard" & "squeeze the shaman", the one that made me laugh instantly. Love jokes of this nature!
Joe just ignores his pun jokes the whole interview, the whale did it on 'porpoise', building without wheels must have been 'wheely' hard. Joe 'just keep talking' Rogan
I liked don't squeeze the shaman
@Iain Herridge except hes not funny
He's not high, thats probably why he didnt get it lol
He does that to everyone that isnt arie or, Duncan
Lol guess joe isn't the pun type
This dude has the funny conversation improve jokes nailed. That's when you know you're just genuinely funny lol.
This was the most unintelligent intelligent conversation I’ve ever heard
2:42 listen to that guys response to his question
@@riverofgorillas Well I suggest you research Graham Hancock's War Gods and see if you still believe the same lol
revanoke 😂
@@riverofgorillas thank you.i hate hearing incorrect history and then they spread ignorance
@@debbie7490 nobody spreading ignorance, do research on Graham Hancock's War Gods
Has Joe discovered the reason north america speaks english (and some french in Canada)?
yeah how hasnt he figured that out yet.
Lol
They also speak french in Louisiana and the Northeast, used to in other places as well(Acadians, cajuns, metis, Houma nation, and creoles). It was just banned and faced a lot of discrimination so it's dying the same way it is outside Quebec in Canada. Anglophones just cannot stand other languages
@@JM-nt5ex in Canada you still have to be bilingual if you want to work for the federal government.
@@thetruthhurts6652 That does nothing for the french communities outside Quebec, they are still being rapidly assimilated as a result of old government policy and the failure of the canadian/american government to rectify it. The only reason French still has a future in Quebec is they had too many people for the anglophones to successfully subjugate them anymore, and francophones were able to take control of their own government. French speakers have hardly any linguistic rights outside quebec.
I’ve always wanted a sick Netflix series about the Aztec or any of the empires … made just like thrones… imagine how legendary that would be! Season upon seasons …
@Luis Reyes nobody would be able to do it justice. So much of the culture and stories were lost when the Spanish colonized that region and forced Catholicism. Natives of North America were more able to preserve some of their culture and stories because of the reservations.
Do you realize how hard it would be to emulate or even figure out their lifestyle back then? They didn't have books or paintings like we had. The history is so sparse. It wouldn't work at all like game of thrones. That's such an arrogant white westerner thing to say. It would be like a bunch of white people making Aztecs look like medieval white people.
@@andrewvazquez4683 just saw your comment. Exactly 💯. Nobody could possibly do it justice. Historically impossible.
@@PolishBehemoth sorry you were offended I was thinking in fantasy.. but also RELAX! 2022 is so weird.
Captain obvious.
One thing, Teotihuacan was not built by the Aztecs/Mexicas. By the time they entered the valley of Mexico, Teotihuacan had already been abandoned. Aztecs were nomads, and settled in current day Mexico City. It is believed that the Aztecs were among people that migrated from Arizona and were the modern day Hopi.
Other than that, I really recommend everyone go to Teotihuacan and if they’re around Mexico City visit “El Templo Mayor” which was actually built by Aztecs/Mexicas.
I understand that they were trying to settle and were kind of mistreated by everyone already there. So they got to become tough and militar so they could be respected. And they gain their respect, building a city on a lake, and subjugating other through militar campaings, but also gained their fear and resentment.
@@MrErickloli yes that caused their ultimate downfall. The Spanish found tons of rival nations and moved to work together with them as they were originally outnumbered 10 to 1.
In the plaza of Las Tres Culturas? They were ruins last time I went. Granted it was a handful of years ago. Have they develop it?
@@stevn7489 Yes, Templo Mayor is in La Plaza de Las Tres Culturas. It is still in ruins, however visiting the museum is worth checking out. I also really recommend visiting the Museo Nacional de Antropología.
@@antoniotellez8461 if it’s the one across from the Chapultepec grounds, I’ve gone already. In other words ya fui compa. Great stuff, I went after taking a Modern Mexico History class so I was my own tour guide.
Please have a historian of imperial Spain on, Joe. It's would really clear some stuff up. You keep coming back to the subject and an expert voice would be a great addition.
Racist academia
Spain experts are not the all knowing about Latino america
The Conquistador Era is actually cool af. They definitely didn’t care about feelings back then, or your feelings now.
What he doesn't seem to know is that many tribes joined the Spanish. And that the Spanish weren't as brutal or racist as English or French settlers.
Agreed
Joe *"DID THE AZTECS INVENT DMT"* Rogan
IAmVenom Haha!
It was Mike Tyson fool
Bruuh😂😂😂
Matt The Heartless Aztec 👀 into it.
They called it the drink of the Rogans.
Josh seems like such a genuine nice guy. Very down to earth.
I visited the Monte Alban ruins in Oaxaca Mexico thinking it was gonna be a boring assembly of ruined temples, but wow I was overwhelmed with the design and geometry of the place. I felt like I stepped into a geometric vortex.
What a gorgeous city. Mind if we take a closer look?
Spanish or vanish
@@jw9099 ah flu 😷😷
Lmao
😂😂😂
mind if we burn down this city?
Hommes is hilarious, he laughs at all of his own jokes!
Ha
WHITES ARE RED DEVILS DISGUSTING CAUCASIANS LAND THIEFS ENVIOUS DEVILS
Josh Homme going with the flow baby
This man is an American rock god. Love Queens of the stone age.
Thx, just answered my question 😁🤘🖤
He started in the band Kyuss
QOTSA are sick af... but Kyuss is a deeply underrated band
Thank you. The first comment about Queens of the stone age. Your a real one if you know Kyuss, Them Crooked Vultures, and Fu Manchu.
12:16 No, Joe, Mexicans were NOT conquered by the Spaniards...the Aztecs were. Mexicans are the result of Spaniards absorbing and mixing with whatever remnants were left of the indigenous population of Mexico. This happened in the course of three hundred years (1521-1821). In some areas in Mexico, particularly in the South and Southeastern regions of the country, indigenous communities became isolated and kept their language, culture, and traditions to a high degree. In the Central region, the intermarriage between the indigenous people and the Spanish settlers occurred at a much higher rate. In some other areas (i.e. Northern and Western Mexico), there wasn't that much mixing between Spaniards and indigenous people because there weren't that many indigenous people to begin with...which is why the European admixture here can go up to 70% or more, on average. Nonetheless, I would like to thank you for at least bringing Mexico and its history up for discussion in your show.
Aztecs is the name Spaniards gave them. “Aztecs” called themselves Mexicans
My people are from Toledo Spain, in the old days ,we viewed the Mexican's as mudheads.
@@JesusCruz-fo8jz it's mexicas, not mexicans.... it sound like meshica
What the fuck do you think Mexicans are idiot ? We are half indigenous and Spaniards
The so called black race
In Bernal Diaz “the Conquest of New Spain”, the Iberians found a ship wrecked Spanish sailor who was living with the Natives. He said “In Europe I am no one, here I am someone.”
Yep he also fought against the Spanish with the natives.
Gonzalo Guerrero
You left out the part where the entire crew was sacrificed or enslaved, and he and Geronimo d'Aguilar escaped in the night, and how Aguilar remained a slave while he became a war advisor because of his battle skills.
Joe is awesome, he asks all the questions the rest of us don't ask directly, to his guests......regardless of politics.
Aztecs did have a wheel they just didn’t use it for work they used it for toys. Why? Simple geography of the area made using it difficult, also no beasts of burden to move things.
Not sure but I seems to remember it were the Inka who had no wheel. Joe might have confused them.
@James you may not be joking but that doesn’t make you right
@James HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Uh oh, Pedro Mendoza took an Anthro class.....
@@worldobserver3515 look out we have guy who probably lives in basement and has nothing to contribute to a conversation over here.
"It restored my faith in humanity... besides the ritualistic murdering of people of course."
🤣 that made me crack up
I was 💀
“Imagine being a fly on the wall while Cortez and Moctezuma met for the first time”!! Mind blowing to think that Minute detail. Just really imagine!!
Gustavo Vargas, check out the series called "Hernan" you can see the recreation of this, La Malinche was their translator!
If you ask me the flies were the lucky ones. They just had to pick up the remains
@@JenniferDelgaty thank you will do
After the formalities,
Moctezuma: It seems some members of my council believe that certain obscure prophecies are fulfilled with your arrival, *General* Cortés. But I see a man before me, not a god.
Cortés: Belief is a powerful ally, Lord Moctezuma, although I share your skepticism about my godhood. However, your mortal enemies, the fierce Tlaxcalteca, with an army 200,000-strong, now believe that myth. Of course, enlightenment came to them only after we decimated their army.
Moctezuma: Yes, I have heard of your exploits and adventures in the provinces. Please be my honored guest so that we may further discuss the political future of the land; perhaps we can reach some sort of arrangement.
Cortés: It would be my great honor to be your... guest, Lord Moctezuma.
(to be continued)
I think Aztecs initially, having never seen horses before, believed that an armored man on a horse was one large animal. Perhaps a godlike fusion of man and beast. "Aztec", a novel by Gary Jennings, is an epic and well-researched historical fiction novel and should be read by anyone interested in Aztec life and culture. That is, as we understand it...
I like to hear gringos that know stuff
Most ppl here are hating
they know nothing... teotihuacan was built before aztecs even existed...
Good to hearing something not so whitewashed
@@justpatcher but all that is always talked about are the Aztecs, Mayans and Incas
Stop callin thm gringos , racist ass
I’m from Mexico, and it’s always hard to explain why I have hazel eyes. It’s like people skipped world history in school.
@Peña Liekens wtf did you just say? Say it again, wait...try and explain it again please...before you do, open a book and educate yourself first.
Jazz Feline well isn’t it true ? That some of them have spaniard blood .
@Peña Liekens "most Mexicans now are illegal..." How is a nationality illegal? I'll wait.
@Peña Liekens i can, what did the spanish leave to remind everyone that their race is superior to the indeginous?
@Sebastian Benitez A Mexican saying the USA is shit? That's mighty rich amigo. Mexico is like one of those fish that attaches itself to a shark to survive, and that shark is the USA. We have a symbiotic relationship. The deal has been very beneficial for Mexico. Soon, the shark is going to want some reciprocation. We absorb your people, but not your land and resources. Maybe it's time for some new states.
I have nothing but admiration for this guy for wearing a shirt with so many holes in it on the biggest podcast of all time
those ripped indie tshirts are worth more than your closet. its a stupid trend
Lucky coin that’s def from wear and tear.
Josh Homme's a fucking legendary rockstar at this point, as if he cares.
@@luckycoin8269 they really are, old rock concert t-shirts especially are expensive. Most go for a few hundun on eBay
Yeah, you're gay
One thing is for certain, damn near everywhere where people started settling and building, they were just either building on top of an already built civilization or just occupied it.
yes, of course there is a conspiracy theory for that, several floods buried different cilivizations
Hard to dispute that now . Seeing that Mexico has pyramids built on top of pyramids
Read a book called the broken arrows. Found it hidden in my local book store. Its a book written by the elders who survived the conquest.
What civilization??
Thanks for the rec i will check it out 😊
You mean Broken spears?
@@juanmanuelmarquez4945 Broken Arrow (A Little Golden Book)
Miguel León de Portilla 👌
I guess you’d could say the Aztecs were ‘Queens of the Stone Age’
Edit- I’m well aware of the historical inaccuracy of the joke. Jesus if you don’t like it then just move on.
I dont get it
Norbz Lopez Thats the name of a band
The more you know,thanks
Aaaah ha
I do t get it either
Josh: Jamie can you look up the name of this word?
Joe: josh whats the name of the word you want him to look up?
tf lmao
It's Shadenfreude btw
High AS FUCK
I think we terribly underestimate how smart ancient societies actually were.
My impulse, if I were in that conversation is to fact check them constantly, because they are saying some VERY wrong things. I'm sure It would blow their minds that Aztecs are originally from the American Southwest, and migrated to the Mexico plains in 500AD. Teotihuacan was finished is 300AD, so it wasn't built by the Aztecs. But they later found the structure and renamed it Teotihuacan. The Aztec Empire started in the 1400s (Cortez appeared in 1519). Once the Aztecs proved their dominance over a tribe, that tribe has to pay a tribute to them, part of that tribute is sending people to be sacrificed. Aztec were pretty hard core into human sacrifices, compared to other tribes, because in their religion/mythology, Gods fed on human blood, and not giving them sustenance would mean the sun would stop rising and chaos would prevail. As for Spanish Conquistadors: they didn't fight the Aztecs alone. They had a lot of help from the Tlaxcalans and the Cempoalans who didn't like the Aztecs. As for the Spanish themselves, they were catholics. In Christianity, there are no human sacrifices (there's a symbolic one), so for them, the Indians were like devil worshippers because ...I mean, you watch any guy getting his heart ripped out of his chest, and you're going to think "Wow! The people doing this are seriously fucked in the head".
Your comment is hilarious bro
Josh and Rogan are talking about how there were 89,000 people killed during the construction of the Teotihuacán temple. If you look at the average population of Teotihuacán it says an average of 100,000. That literally makes no sense.
best comment ever!
all of what you said is true, and that 80,000 was probably exaggerated by the spanish to make the Aztecs look worse than what they were really doing.. but you are completely correct about the other tribes that helped cortez.. and don't forget the melinchi.. cortez's translator..
Very wrong
"that'd be wheely hard." Haha
Fact. Teotihuacan is not Tenochtitlan and not Aztec.
I remember when I went to Peru, they kept saying that the Inca's were the ones that *found* Manchu Picchu and weren't the ones that built it. I imagine its the same for all the ancient cultures and their wonders.
@@thephilosopher7173 wow, that's pretty crazy
Fact London is older than Tenochitilan and every known Aztec site
@@GrumpyVetTrucker that reminds me of the fact that there's more time between Cleopatra and the great Pyramids than Cleopatra and today. I know that's a completely different thing than what we're talking about, but it blows my mind when I think about it.
Fact: Epstein Didn’t kill himself
A beautiful conversation. Thanks.
They actually welcome the Spaniards and lived with them for a year the entire time Spaniards were ploting and making alliances with tribes that the Aztecs didn't approve off. Montezuma was not elected as all the other Emperors before him were. The Emperors had to be high ranking military warriors but Montezuma he was a priest and not an honorable warrior that contributed in big part to the conquista.
Anyone could be an emperor of Tenochtitlán. Even a slave. To the mexica what mattered more was how strong and smart a leader was more than rank, a charismatic slave who has a high IQ and more battle experience than a dumb fat noble is going to be a better choice to run their empire
The azteks arent that old tbh. They ruled from the 14th to the 16th century. Thats surprisingly recent imo
@@liam4686 yeah i guess thats maybe a bit the american perspective that its so old. i remeber when i was in australia my guest family was super hyped about a trip to a 90 year old water tower wich was the oldest thing in like a 300km radius...
@Kay Theo my comment keeps being blocked. Sorry we killed the wrong enemy.
@Kay Theo how amazing of a place to live was your homeland when you know who got rid of the evil small hats. They've been kicked out if 300+ countries throughout history.
Hate to be “that guy,” but the Aztec empire fell around 1521. Js.
@@freddyulmer6136 yeah and 1521 is in the 16th century. i dont understand what you are trying to say...
The Spanish also had thousands of natives who help them out
Yes the Spanish had indigenous allies that hated the Aztecs. Plus the Spanish had a bunch of nasty diseases that wreaked havoc on the Aztecs and the muskets, armor that made them invisible, horses etc.
Even in USA the british and French had natives fighting for them against each other.
@@jackrichardson428 The Aztecs had weak immune systems.
Truth. It is part of the arrogant European mindset that a "few spaniards killed millions of natives". Eh, no they did not. They had a military advantage, no doubt, they had the element of surprise and more importantly they had the mindset of conquerors and colonizers. But none of these things would have mattered if they had not had the help of tens of thousands warriors from tribes that were already being oppressed by the Aztecs.
@I AM WHAT I AM they didnt teach Spanish shit. When Cortes first landed he was getting attacked fuked up the natives easily didnt lose a single man. The tribe leader was so impressed he gave him women.
I like these Rogan podcasts way better than his 3 hrs talkin about comedians in the business I have no idea of and all of their stage stories going back into the 80s. This right here though….getting those eureka facts every other minute which keeps me even more engaged. I never knew they made ponds specifically to have an HD screen of the night stars so they can track time and the calendar better. Makes more sense to look down then up when researching anyways. Very cool.. Getting small facts like that that ive never knew about is so much cooler and fun than the other podcasts that only talk about mma, health science and comedians. Talk about more discoveries, breakthroughs, future technology gov secrets , historical discoveries…and just all those sorts of “did you know”… type of content. Its fun
He is one of the only people to ever say "please" when asking Jamie to "look into" something.
This guy went to my high school a couple years before me. Our mascot was The Aztecs. Just funny that’s now he’s on Joe Rogan talking about the Aztecs.
Nobody mentions how Joe interrupts to say "No, you don't have to look that way. You look that way," talking about the screens, to where then Josh Homme finishes telling about a reflecting pool.
he just dont want his guests straining their necks
“Gary come over and look at this “ lol hahaha 🤣
Joe is like "so that must be the reason Mexicans speak Spanish...."
Oh my God....... Joe you need to stop smoking so much weed man...
I was like, that should NOT be mind blowing. I'm sure everyone watching was thinking the same 😂
It is about as mindblowing as the fact that americans speak english
Well imagine I speak Spanish and I’m in South America but I’m high as I watched this and also thought it shouldn’t be mind blowing.
@@sebastianpye9328 "It is about as mindblowing as the fact that americans speak english"
Yeah, how weird is that? England is, like, way over there, maaan.
Cyberbird86 hahaha that reminds me of a coworker said so you speak Mexican no I speak Spanish and he said no you speak Mexican and I told him so you speak White and we ended that conversation right there and then
There are Aztec writings about their view of seeing the Spanish horses for the first time. I think it was a member of Moctezumas 'court' who met Cortes when the Spanish landed. The Aztec describes horses as huge deer. These Aztecs also thought horses were super aggressive because Cortes tricked them with a stallion who was freaking out because he was being restrained. The Aztecs didn't know there was a mare in heat behind them which is why the stallion was reacting so wildly which they interpreted as aggression. Also South America is divided linguistically as a side effect of a Papal edict dividing South America between Spain and Portugal - Treaty of Tordesillas.
EDIT: This comment was targeted at very specific relevant points being discussed in the video. I am aware of the wider history around the Aztecs and the Treaty of Tordesillas. This comment was just an example of a couple of interesting annecdotes about the history of the Americas.
The treaty of quesadillas.. sounds yummy
Thanks 🙏🏼
Magic dogs
m.th-cam.com/video/uZdv-TtiMkg/w-d-xo.html.
Crazy to think that Europe shaped the world as it is today. North America, Latin America, Oceania, Indian subcontinent, Africa.
Give this man a new shirt.
I think it'd be cool to hear stories of the Aztecs that lived in what is now North America.
You can definitely see the disconnect from the rest of the world when you see what the Egyptians, Aztecs, Mayans were able to achieve, build, and discover. This kind-of stuff blows my mind and intrigues me to learn more about them.
You meam Mexicas and No one knows who the f built theothiuacan
There is 3k years of difference between Egypt and the Aztecs. The Aztecs were hundreds of years behind the Muslim Empire which were their contemporaries.
@Ocelotl Huitztecol Yes, they were comparable to ancient civilizations, thousands of years older. They were not at the level of the XVI century Empires. The Old World had walled cites, large scale metallurgy, huge cast iron cannons, gunpowder, guns, ocean worthy ships, navigational tools, clock, cartography, financial systems, advanced architecture, usage of the wheel for transportation and power such as windmill, and you could go on.
I'm not "popoing" the advanced American civilizations. But they were advanced in comparison to other american tribes, or compared to ancient civilizations. Not compared to XVI Century Europe, Middle East or China. That's a myth.
@Ocelotl Huitztecol Should you go on? Did you think you made a point?
You named waste control through public services, public bathrooms, aqueducts and the size of the city. Waste control, public services and sanitation were probably better than in Europe and Tenochtitlan was a large city, no doubt about it, although size itself does not grants a civilization the term advanced, rather just large. On the other hand public bathrooms and aqueducts existed in Rome 1000 years earlier, along with the use of cement, building apartment complexes, bronze working, iron working, seafaring, etc.
There are 5 to 10 advances that were available in the Old World and not in the Aztec Empire for each one that you can count the other way.
Again, considering the Mesoamerican civilizations "advanced" directly in comparison with the state of the "advanced" Empires of the old world in the XVI century is incorrect.
BTW, you can add public education to the list of things the Aztecs had implemented that was not seeing as such in Europe until much later. I'm not calling them primitive, they were more advanced than some European regions, more than almost all of Africa, more than the tribers from the asian plains. They were not "advanced" compared to the established European Kingdoms, the Muslim Empire, the Ming Dinasty, etc.
and it all came crumbling down when the Europeans mastered the art of war
Ahhh he’s a musician. The holes in his shirt make sense now!
Dude look up his Instagram. The fact he's clothed and speaking English is a miracle. Dude is crazy
Scaffolder t shirt.........look into it
John George what are u talking about? Josh doesn’t even have instagram
Lol