I have this tent, a 2019 model made in China. It is very well made, a bit better than the original US made model. 1.) I dyed my internal tent with green RIT DyeMore, specifically for synthetic fabrics. I tied it off just at the floor to keep the DCF floor away from the hot dye water. Result? Wellll...I got a green/white "tie-died" look a foot above the floor all the way around but the rest of the inner tent was solid green. This gives me more shade and a bit more privacy - plus a damn unique look! 2.) Next I added 4 stake loops of light nylon webbing, two on each side, for windy weather here in the mountain west of the US. I reinforced the fly with adhesive backed DCF circles (wrapped around the edge of the fly) that Henry Shires generously supplied to me on my request. (Henry knows I always modify his tents to suit my needs.) Further I reinforced those circles with larger Tenacious Tape circles for good measure. This is my 5th Tarptent so, yes, I'm a Tarptent fanboy. I still have my TT Moment DW and TT SCARP 2, both modified, natch.
Been catching your vlogs for a while now sir. Not only are they highly informative, but I find them very soothing in these current times. You've also halped me fall in love with our hills again and buy some gear. Can't wait to see how the Cape Wrath walk goes this time round. Thank you Ray and please keep up the good work big yin. Dave McDave.
I have just brought a Scarp one, i have done a few tweaks to it similar to the ones you mentioned, now its a great tent. i enjoy using it, all the best. See you in the hills...
Hey RS a great video here. Yesterday I posted the comment about my inability to decide if the Aeon Li or Notch Li was the best tent. Today I want to update this and I like to use your TH-cam video for my sharing because I don't have forum memberships and because this tent debate has not yet been covered enough on the internet to give people enough relevant information to decide for themselves. And I think people conducting a determined web search will have to find your video and probably this comment. So here are my thoughts on this debate. The Notch Li is the more comfortable tent but the Aeon Li is lighter. And the details of this are as follows: The Notch has double doors and this is amazing. It allows for loads more ventilation which means less condensation, more cooling winds, and panoramic views. So the double doors are the primary reason and very good reason for buying the Notch instead of the Aeon. The Notch also has double walls which means less condensation. The Notch also has double vestibules for more outer storage space. Also the Notch can be bought with the inner that has mesh on top and closed on bottom to make the tent warmer when sleeping in cold winds unlike the Aeon which has an inner that is all mesh. Also Ryan Jordan from the American website backpacking light has said and shown in videos both tents' abilities to be used in winter, and other youtubers have shown the Notch works for winter, but my sense from Ryan was that he thought the Notch should be much better for winter. And the Notch can go flyless or even just pulling both vestibules open reveals the sky and landscape far better than the Aeon. So I think these are the most relevant points for the Notch over the Aeon. For the Aeon now - it is just lighter and packs smalleri. It is listed now at 17.4oz compared to the Notch's 19.7oz (if buying the "solid inner" which is the half solid/half mesh). And the Notch has a 0.05oz heavier stuff sack. So the Notch would only be 2.45 ounces heavier than the Aeon and for most people this weight savings is not worth it when buying a Notch means getting a quite superior tent over the Aeon. However the relevant details and considerations continue because the Aeon's weight difference becomes more noticeable depending on whether the hiker is bringing trekking poles. And that 2.45oz difference only applies if the hiker is bringing trekking poles. Because if they are not bringing trekking poles they would have to add tent poles to their pack. And with the Aeon they would only have to add one pole but with the Notch they would need two poles. And the lightest pole I know of that would work is the SMD 45" three section pole which is 1.7oz. So if the hiker isn't a trekking pole user they have to buy two of these for the Notch instead of just one of them for the Aeon - that means the Notch requires 1.7oz more tent pole weight than the Aeon. So now the weight difference between the tents is 2.45oz + 1.7oz = 4.15 oz. So this is the precise information I think people need and from here they can better decide. Additionally for the Aeon, some other plus points are that it actually has a 20% larger inside bathtub floor than the Notch. The Notch is 15 something square feet and the Aeon is 18 something. Also while the Notch does have two vestibules, the Aeon's vestibule is larger than one Notch vestibule. Also the Aeon has a smaller footprint than the Notch making it more versatile to pitch in more smaller places. Also, while the Notch is superior for winter and superior for ventilation the Aeon will still manage so it is not a matter of failure in these regards as much as a matter of inferiority to a better. And lastly of relevant comparison between these two tents is the Aeon, assuming one is not using trekking poles, is not only a determined 4.15oz lighter but it packs smaller: instead of packing two tent poles it only needs one and instead of being a 16" long package inside the backpack it is only a 14" package. So this Aeon Li vs Notch Li debate will always be a difficult one for people to decide I think but I hope these details have helped. For myself, I don't use trekking poles so I have decided the Aeon is better for me to save the four ounces, to save the bit of extra packspace and because I like its more versatility with being pitched in more confined spaces. One detail I left out to consider is that while both tents are good for stormy winds I believe the Notch will also be superior over the Aeon here because of the double tent poles, but again the Aeon will not be a failure in this regard and only a lesser to a better.
Thanks for your interesting and detailed reply. To be honest I do not rate the Notch after having used it for a while. It is ideal for a night or two away but for multi day trips it has flaws. First is the need for two trekking poles. Friend of mine had one of his walking poles brake on a long hike and luckily had a friends to borrow or he wouldn't have been able to setup the shelter. The J-Zip setup wastes access and space. If it had been a T-Zip on both sides you could open it up fully making access and setting up your mat and gear easier. If you are sitting in the tent you cant access the other vestibule as door is really at your feet. The zips are not long enough at the bathtub / bottom making the inner door difficult to tie back. The triangular pockets for storing something such as a phone are useless. Another is if you are 5' 10" or taller and on a mat which is 10cm thick you get draughts across your head and feet. You can notice this in cold windy weather as the mesh sections taper down into the corners either end. More than that but they are key ones.Atb
I have a silnylon single Rainbow from Tarptent. It is an underrated company with unique designs. Most people are very happy with them, as I also. I hope you’re happy.
@@fuggoff5277 with trekking poles it becomes free standing. It’s worked for me on rocky ground. Great design. It would be real lite and versatile in DCF for sure 😊
Hi Ray, my Stratospore 1 in sil nylon arrived yesterday. I am 6ft and can feel a bit cramped sometimes on the width. So I went for this option, it is in sil nylon but one day I may upgrade. A bit sad, but I camped out in it last night I need to get use to the pitch. But up in a flash and plenty of space. So very pleased. I look forward to seeing a notch for real sometime. Enjoy your tent, I'm sure we will be seeing more if it very soon. AtB Grant.
Excellent review Ray, must say I'm really happy with my silnylon version so far. I don't think you need extra tie out points at the triangles ends as once you've tighten everything up, it stays in place. I might eventually splash out on a DCF tent.
I have this tent and I added two very simple elastic guy loops at the bottom mid point of these panels. I think that's all you need because the panels (unlike say the lanshan) will not depress in wind to the point where they are touching you. The elastic ties on the inner seem a faff, so I added the standard plastic toggles found on most tents. I don't have zips on the fly however its never let in so far. All in all a great tent design
It's either this or the Aeon Li as far as my eye can see. I bought the Aeon Li after seeing the American backpackinglight video from Ryan Jordan about it. I just hopped onto the tarptent website and bought it and I felt 100% sure I was buying the best tent on earth for my needs. And thanks to your video I am now 50% sure. I have now poured over more videos and reviews and blogs and this Notch Li vs Aeon Li issue simply cannot be resolved. The Notch is almost three ounces heavier - but three ounces is right on the cusp of significance and insignificance with a very significant issue (weight). The Notch also has an actually smaller inside floor - exactly 20% smaller - again a negative that is difficult to attach strong significance to about another significant issue - space (and the Notch has two vestibule spaces though if even the Aeon Li's single vestibule is larger than one of the Notch's vestibules...). So for every tiny worm hole in the apple there is a fresher juicy spot on it as with the also juicy orange beside it which also has the odd tiny blemish but of a different tiny blemish than the apple. But the shiniest part of the Notch Li it has doors on both sides and it is a double wall tent which must mean less condensation than the Aeon Li - even if not a lot less. Then again the Aeon Li's shiniest spot may be its much smaller area making it easier to pitch in tighter spaces and again that insignificant but still significant three ounces of lighter weight - and I suppose more like 4.5 ounces lighter when one isn't using trekking poles and has to add a second 1.7oz pole for the Notch when the Aeon only needs one. So all in all if I decide to keep my Aeon Li instead of exchanging it for the Notch Li, this decision will be to avoid the hastle of it but also because for the life of me I cannot decide which of these tents is better.
I had the same dilemma, but what finally swung it for me was the see through material. The Notch Li with a solid inner is less see through, plus I suspect it will stand up to more wind.
I altered the guylines on the small A poles on my tarp tent moment DW with a long single guy line that puts more tension on each end of the tent, leaving just the short guy lines attached to the bottom of the A poles. Does mean carrying two extra tent pegs. Easy to change back if it doesn't work for you. I've given up on using tent door tie backs and now use a clothes peg.
I'm waiting on my tarptent StratoSpire Li to arrive. The notch was too small for me. I too am intending on additional guy out points using the same patches.
Did fancy that as well but just had to give this one a go. Been thinking about it for years and would kick myself if I hadn't. Hope you have some great times with yours. Atb
Quickly becoming a fave channel, could listen to those dulcet tones for hours. Realize it's non hiking related but would be great to see a video on the camera / audio gear you use, how you record your videos etc. You always seem to have fantastic clear audio!
Did have one at some point and not many interested. Gear I use is the Sony A6400, GoPro Hero 8 and Rode Wireless Go. All edited on free Davinci Resolve. Atb
Nice video. Nice tent! My perfect inner would be like this except one door in full mesh.So on good days I could have a nice view when in the sleepingbag. (instead of lifting my head up to see outside) Thanks. Enjoy the tent! (my guess: It's great but a wee small)
Trying to find the perfect tent is a bit of an expensive nightmare. Have the older version Solplex that I haven't used yet but will be keen to see how it fairs against the Notch. Have done some mods to the Notch which will be in a video this week coming. Seen lots of people rave about the Duplex so I hope it serves you well. Atb
Fellow Notch Li owner here. I've done only 1 mod so far, and that is to replace the apex guylines with 3m long 2.5mm dyneema braided line, I think it'll add stability to be able to stake the apex guylines further away.
That was first thing I done and agree with you on that. Also maybe looking at modifying that as well to have the option of two guyline from the apex if required. Atb
@@jasonngldn Make the guyline tensioner from the apex about 150mm long and add a keyring loop. Then add two lines from the ring. This way you have one tension line is pulling tight two guy lines out at an angle. If weather isn't that bad you could unclip on line from the keyring loop or tie up in a bunch at top and then just use single line. Thats my first idea.
Hi Ray, I hope you enjoy your notch and I have slowly come really like mine. I like the look of those patches and shall check them out. I havn't used mine in bad weather as so far I have chosen my nights out. It certainly nice to sleep with all the doors open , in England anyway as we dont have such a midge problem in summer. All the best. 👍⛺🌞🌄
I’ve had this tent for a few years. The old version without the zip & solid inner roof. Hasn’t bothered me even on cliff top gales, but I can see the improvement and with a couple of yer big panel stick on anchor points. (I wouldn’t bother with the end ones mind as it’s pretty aerodynamic and sturdy in the wind from the ends). Jist another one. 😊. Ye need be careful cooking in the porch especially with meths as I have scarred the dyneema slightly. Didn’t realise the heat was getting to it. It’s still functions and is waterproof, just hoping it doesn’t degrade ower time. Regards Tam. One thing you didn’t mention (unless I missed it) are the end panel roll back vents which I often have open 👍
Glad to hear you have had good use out of yours. The porches are not the best for cooking and just do it outside as such. Haven't used the end vents yet and forgot all about them. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors Haven’t had ‘any’ condensation by using them and of course with the old doors a little bit more air. Great tent, love the double porches and the size. I also bought the poles as I cycle a bit. Just the colour tbh. Not used it for nearly 2 years just because of that. I’ve been meaning sell mine for a while soon just because of that. ??
Excellent vid' Ray. I have an older silnylon Notch and am a big fan of the quirky design and if I'm honest the Tarptent brand full-stop. I'm looking forward to seeing you get some use with this. ATB, Chris
@@RS.Outdoors Thanks Ray, yes I've seen a couple of his videos on the tent, and the one vs the Lanshan made me prefer the Six Moons. I've only discovered it recently most other videos I saw were of people using the Lanshan.
Best tent I've seen you review so far, looks Ideal for your CWT adventure, for me personally , it's just a wee bit on the small side, I guess I'll stick to my old Vango, 1.8KG is lightweight enough 4 me lol.
Thanks for watching Russ. Just back from a wee trip and so far the Notch Li has proved an ok tent. Did do some modifications though that I felt it needed. Atb
Hope it works out for you Ray. My main concerns would be how does it fare in a wild Scottish day and if you break a pole... I've went through 3 sets of poles. Anyway best way to find out is try it yourself. ATB P. S. finally used my scarp 1 in the snow at 3,000ft, great size/weight and 2 good porches. Scarp 1 very light I can't imagine the notch being nearly a third... must be like carrying a kitchen roll.
Hi mate. That is always a possibility with a pole breaking but you can have temp pitch with one in an emergency. Keen to try it in some stormy weather as from experience seeing the Scarp in stormy weather this should actually do very well. The material although light is silly strong and only thing that would affect it is poor tent peg selection. look forward to see how you get on with the Scarp in comparison to your Hilly. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors I've been looking at cuben fibre shelters TBH. Anyway we all can legally camp now, at least for several months anyway. Gairich is a great viewpoint.
The Magnet is great , if you made a wee 3 inch ribbern and had two small magnets sown at each end you could sort the saggy door out better . Just wrap it around and each magnet would grab through the fabric if that makes sence . ATB , nice tent.
Yeh, had thought that at the time why not stitch in magnets to the fabric and do the same thing with the inner as outside. There is a few quirks and also throwbacks to the older version which I will be discussing in next video. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors I've experimented with some small magnets to roll and hold back the inner in mine. It's not so great, the issue is the magnets are powerful enough to attract outer to inner and it introduced more annoyance than it solved.
I’m not sure if it’s possible but have you tried to add a to a zip puller to your other tents? You see those kits on eBay where you can add them. Then you’ll have a double zipper. Great video & definitely agree with everything you mentioned here.
Thanks for not only sharing the review, but also sharing your thoughts. Very interesting! As a side sleeper this looks rather narrow. I wonder what size sleeping pad fits in there? Or am I being mislead by distortions due to the way the vid,is made? Looking forward to hearing how well it works for you!
when i was looking at a new tent it was either this or the duomid, went for the duomid, wish i hadnt, might have to sell up and bite the bullet and get one..great vid as ever..ATB WJ
Don't do anything just yet. There are things I prefer with the duomid and to be honest until I fully test this on the trail I think the Duomid is still one of the best setups out there. Atb
Great minds, I have the exact same tent and think it's perfect for the CWT. I love it but lockdown has meant it's not had enough use. I also have in mind a tiny bit of modding so looking forward to see what you make of it when you get some miles in with it.
UPDATE: I shortened the nylon webbing at the floor-to-pole attachments. They were too long to permit the floor to be fully widened without setting the hiking poles at too much of an angle. I cut the webbing down to 3/4"" when doubled it back and hand stitched it nearest the floor leaving a small loop to insert a heavier elastic core for the pole end attachment. BTW, I purchased the optional hiking pole handle "pockets" that tie in the peaks and capture your hiking pole handles so they stay in place (and stay off the wet ground!) Also you will find, when comparing Tarptent DCF tents with most other DCF tents, that the design, sewing and reinforcements are at the top of their class. Henry shires lost many of his sewers to a warehouse company so had to send the DCF tents (only) to one of China 's very top tent fabricators and it shows in the great quality of his DCF tents.
Nice review, and another nice location. I’ve enjoyed these films. Looks a nice shelter, I’ve seen one of there models in action on a thru hike and was amazed at the weight (or lack of), my silnylon tent all saggy in the morning and the Cuban fibre tent just as taught as when pitched. Like the idea of modding the side panels. Good luck with tent Ray, look forward to seeing your clips of CWT , 👍 ATB
Just a shame it's not available in a dark green, living in England requires more stealth camps. on another note, what editing software do you use, thanks.
Started to use Davinci Resolve. It is free and was fed up paying for Premier Pro. It seems complex to learn at first but watch YT films and it is very easy once you have made a few films. Just stick with it. Wish i had switched years ago now. Atb
Hi Ray - Great video. Do you still use this? I have a Z Packs Duplex but i'm not sure it will work for me on the Cape Wrath Trail next year. Would you recommend this for that?
Do know walk with wallace used the Silnylon Notch for his CWT trek and got on well with it. However for me I found it too cramped and small for use on a long trek. My ideal option was my first walk on the CWT using the MLD Duomid as very strong in high wind. Initially fix with four pegs, put pole up and and you are out of the bad weather. Great space to get packed or unpacked. If you add an inner from 3F such as the one I got online then you doint suffer badly from single skin setup condensation either.
@@RS.Outdoors Thanks Ray, thats really helpful. Im nervous about using my duplex on the CWT as it has no zip and im concerned about wind direction shifting after set up. Maybe the duomid (if available that is!) is the way forward then.
I really did enjoy that review it was so calm and professionally presented :) I have to say that this tent really got my attention. Maybe something for mein Spring/Summer 2022 :) The StratoSpire Li also looks amazing tbh. How do you like it so far? Cheers from Switzerland ATB ;)
It is a good tent but a little cramped if you plan on using for more than 3-4 days I would say. Not much space to do admin, etc out of the rain. Will be going back to a pyramid style tent such as the Duomid I had before. Atb
Nice little review, thanks for doing it :-) I've got the Scarp2 and had my eye on this very tent for longer multiday hikes but I'm a big 6ft 4in. I'm thinking it looks a little tight for someone as tall as me? I need 105cm interior height to be able to sit up which I think it's OK for, but it looks tight length-wise.
Think you would fit but it would be a bit tight I feel. Sadly might need to try and meet up with somebody who has one and lay in to see what you think. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors Thank you. I'll give you a call if I'm up your way :-) I fancy the Fisherfield 6 in May. I might take a few days and savour the round. I enjoy your videos and I know your take is based on real world experience. Good. I want magnets for all my inner doors. Those toggles are a pain and the Tarptent Scarp elastics come undone too easily....
@@overthehill370 Noticed that about the tabs when filming at the weekend. The Fisherfield round is an amazing experience with blinding views if the weather plays ball. Atb
Thanks for the excellent review... Tarptent has some really great products and DCF is just awesome. What I miss with the Notch Li is a wider base. For wide pads it is a bit too narrow for my liking. 10cm more would be a blessing. What is your view or have you tried the tent with a wide (25") sleeping pad?
@@RS.Outdoors I know this is 2 years later, but I never caught whatever it was you did to add a little room. I know you’re onto other tents now, but what did you end up doing back then?
I do as I find the material not as flappy as silnylon and doesn't absorb water the same either. Not sure on Zpacks though as never used one but if you watch the Hounds of Howgate channel he uses both the Duplex and MLD Duomid and rates both of them.
Curious if you modified it right away, or if you tried it in the wind and snow before modifying it. Having used a silnylon Notch since 2016, the additional tie out on the bottom of the vestibule flaps would be the only thing I'd like to do. Prop a stick under each one for more room and ventilation. Even with the mesh interior, the tent is surprisingly good at not being drafty.
Hi Dave. I knew in advance I was going to do what i done just due to the large panels. However I have found the Notch to be a bit cramped and lacking on space for my needs, more so in bad weather. Atb
Looks the business, Ray. I’ve just ordered a duo mid and inner in DCF for spring my rough to autumn... trying to create a lighter setup. Looking at a 10-12 week wait though. Really like like the look of this one though... be interested to see how you get on with it... what is the total weight of it? Great vid as always. ATB. Craig
The Duomid is a great setup and must be about the same as this. The Notch Li is coming in at around 600 grams with 4 pegs. There is no way I would just have it setup with 4 pegs although you can. Currently have a 12 peg setup ;) Atb
Looking at the ends bud, would it work if you seperated the higher guy from the lower one holding the poles apart, a slightly longer guy could be fitted to centre and it's only one extra peg instead of two, just a thought without actually seeing it myself.
I don't have the Notch anymore for a couple of reasons. It is great if you want to go lightweight on a multiday trip, however I found it a little bit too small and cramped inside. Much prefer the Duomid which is better in wind and also has far more space inside and think it is about the same weight. Also if I want to try out different gear on the channel I need to sell one and buy another to try out things. Actually going back to basics with an old favourite of mine in the next video. Atb
Meant to say the other day, have you thought about trying a pair of Salomon X Ultra Mid Goretex for the Cape Wrath trail? I know the Innov8 shredded your feet. Might be a good trade off with comfort and weight for you. I'm also a Salomon fan and have both the mid boot and the larger quest. Mid boot does the bulk of the work I find during the year, with less of the weight. Just a thought.
How are you feeling about the Notch Li after a few months? I'm thinking of pulling the trigger. It looks a great wee tent for backpacking. I have a Zpacks Duplex but looking for something I can tuck into smaller spaces. Has it kept you dry and stayed up in wind ok so far? Any other thoughts after a little while using it? Many thanks.
It is an ok tent but has a few quirks. Due to the two trekking poles and DCF material the top is very tight and is silly loud in heavy rain because of it. Also the staggered J-Zip doors are a but of a pain to access gear depending on what end you are sitting and wish it was a t_Zip setup so you could open up the whole inner. Because of the small doors it can be a faff at times setting up your mat as your backside sticks out in the rain, lol. The inner door tie backs are not the best. Haven't had issues with getting wet and condensation not been an issue as yet. been fine in mild windy weather but nothing storm force yet. However still think a DCF pyramid style shelter is best setup I have owned to date. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors Yes I always recommend inverted T zips too but I can live with that. I had a MLD duomid and Oookworks inner set up but a couple of hundred grammes heavier and I suspect more of a faff to set up. I can put up with noise, I usually take ear plugs. It looks like it works ok with your wide pad? (I use a Thermarest uberlite 25" wide matt) I think I can probably learn to live with the doors for ease of pitching and light weight as long as it's going to keep me dry and stand up in a bit of wind :-) ATB to you too!
I have been seriously looking as this tent. I find being able to ventilate across the top of a tent really reduces condensation so being able to crack open top of the 2 doors of the Notch should be great. With a traditional tent the poles flex in high winds. I'd be interested in your and anyone elsea experience of whether the rigity of walking poles put extra strain on the tent fabric and structure
You would think after a century of progression in tent design and manufacture, collectively they would have come up with a suitable tent that is not only lightweight and warm, but fully waterproof too. Seems a bit like cars, they all take you from A to B, but some do so in more lavish surroundings with better or lesser fuel economy, etc Tent companies should act on feedback and design for individual use whilst increasing the same design in size for two, three and upwards. Also if we were to see an end to tents selling at under £100 in UK we may just begin to see an end to tents being discarded at festivals or lochsides, for even dirty campers have a budget. Thanks for the review however, very useful and a lot of work to upload by the looks of things. Cheers 🙂
Its top of my list too, just can't afford it at the moment. Appreciate your honest views.... increasingly rare! Was that a political comment? " in the UK and Scotland " lol ;-)
Please stop with the tentalanche Ray! I just can't take anymore and neither can my twitching credit card. This one looks the dog's. Build quality ok? I am constantly finding tatty bits on the scarp 1.
Last tent for a for a good while mate. Will put this Tarptent through its paces and have already done some modifications which i hope to show in a video I will try and make this week. Build looks good so far and he gets these made in special factory in China. However the dcf is taped and as such always have neat edges in regards to that. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors Great. On the tie togther inenr doors on mine I just shewed a loop out of the outside tape and threaded a spring toggle onto the other one. i am sure you will do the same nd have seen the same thing on lots of tents.
I watch your videos because you give off an aura of confidence, and I dont know any other youtubers with a strong accent like you.
Thanks, Atb.
I have this tent, a 2019 model made in China. It is very well made, a bit better than the original US made model.
1.) I dyed my internal tent with green RIT DyeMore, specifically for synthetic fabrics. I tied it off just at the floor to keep the DCF floor away from the hot dye water. Result? Wellll...I got a green/white "tie-died" look a foot above the floor all the way around but the rest of the inner tent was solid green. This gives me more shade and a bit more privacy - plus a damn unique look!
2.) Next I added 4 stake loops of light nylon webbing, two on each side, for windy weather here in the mountain west of the US. I reinforced the fly with adhesive backed DCF circles (wrapped around the edge of the fly) that Henry Shires generously supplied to me on my request. (Henry knows I always modify his tents to suit my needs.) Further I reinforced those circles with larger Tenacious Tape circles for good measure.
This is my 5th Tarptent so, yes, I'm a Tarptent fanboy. I still have my TT Moment DW and TT SCARP 2, both modified, natch.
Thanks for sharing and sounds like some interesting modifications. Atb
Been catching your vlogs for a while now sir. Not only are they highly informative, but I find them very soothing in these current times. You've also halped me fall in love with our hills again and buy some gear. Can't wait to see how the Cape Wrath walk goes this time round. Thank you Ray and please keep up the good work big yin. Dave McDave.
I appreciate that!
I have just brought a Scarp one, i have done a few tweaks to it similar to the ones you mentioned, now its a great tent. i enjoy using it, all the best. See you in the hills...
Good stuff!
Looking forward to seeing the tent performance in bad weather... 👍
Had one for years. Had it out in storms. Never had a problem and that’s without a modification. Apex guys tied to a fence mind 😂
Hey RS a great video here. Yesterday I posted the comment about my inability to decide if the Aeon Li or Notch Li was the best tent. Today I want to update this and I like to use your TH-cam video for my sharing because I don't have forum memberships and because this tent debate has not yet been covered enough on the internet to give people enough relevant information to decide for themselves. And I think people conducting a determined web search will have to find your video and probably this comment. So here are my thoughts on this debate. The Notch Li is the more comfortable tent but the Aeon Li is lighter. And the details of this are as follows: The Notch has double doors and this is amazing. It allows for loads more ventilation which means less condensation, more cooling winds, and panoramic views. So the double doors are the primary reason and very good reason for buying the Notch instead of the Aeon. The Notch also has double walls which means less condensation. The Notch also has double vestibules for more outer storage space. Also the Notch can be bought with the inner that has mesh on top and closed on bottom to make the tent warmer when sleeping in cold winds unlike the Aeon which has an inner that is all mesh. Also Ryan Jordan from the American website backpacking light has said and shown in videos both tents' abilities to be used in winter, and other youtubers have shown the Notch works for winter, but my sense from Ryan was that he thought the Notch should be much better for winter. And the Notch can go flyless or even just pulling both vestibules open reveals the sky and landscape far better than the Aeon. So I think these are the most relevant points for the Notch over the Aeon. For the Aeon now - it is just lighter and packs smalleri. It is listed now at 17.4oz compared to the Notch's 19.7oz (if buying the "solid inner" which is the half solid/half mesh). And the Notch has a 0.05oz heavier stuff sack. So the Notch would only be 2.45 ounces heavier than the Aeon and for most people this weight savings is not worth it when buying a Notch means getting a quite superior tent over the Aeon. However the relevant details and considerations continue because the Aeon's weight difference becomes more noticeable depending on whether the hiker is bringing trekking poles. And that 2.45oz difference only applies if the hiker is bringing trekking poles. Because if they are not bringing trekking poles they would have to add tent poles to their pack. And with the Aeon they would only have to add one pole but with the Notch they would need two poles. And the lightest pole I know of that would work is the SMD 45" three section pole which is 1.7oz. So if the hiker isn't a trekking pole user they have to buy two of these for the Notch instead of just one of them for the Aeon - that means the Notch requires 1.7oz more tent pole weight than the Aeon. So now the weight difference between the tents is 2.45oz + 1.7oz = 4.15 oz. So this is the precise information I think people need and from here they can better decide. Additionally for the Aeon, some other plus points are that it actually has a 20% larger inside bathtub floor than the Notch. The Notch is 15 something square feet and the Aeon is 18 something. Also while the Notch does have two vestibules, the Aeon's vestibule is larger than one Notch vestibule. Also the Aeon has a smaller footprint than the Notch making it more versatile to pitch in more smaller places. Also, while the Notch is superior for winter and superior for ventilation the Aeon will still manage so it is not a matter of failure in these regards as much as a matter of inferiority to a better. And lastly of relevant comparison between these two tents is the Aeon, assuming one is not using trekking poles, is not only a determined 4.15oz lighter but it packs smaller: instead of packing two tent poles it only needs one and instead of being a 16" long package inside the backpack it is only a 14" package. So this Aeon Li vs Notch Li debate will always be a difficult one for people to decide I think but I hope these details have helped. For myself, I don't use trekking poles so I have decided the Aeon is better for me to save the four ounces, to save the bit of extra packspace and because I like its more versatility with being pitched in more confined spaces. One detail I left out to consider is that while both tents are good for stormy winds I believe the Notch will also be superior over the Aeon here because of the double tent poles, but again the Aeon will not be a failure in this regard and only a lesser to a better.
Thanks for your interesting and detailed reply. To be honest I do not rate the Notch after having used it for a while. It is ideal for a night or two away but for multi day trips it has flaws. First is the need for two trekking poles. Friend of mine had one of his walking poles brake on a long hike and luckily had a friends to borrow or he wouldn't have been able to setup the shelter. The J-Zip setup wastes access and space. If it had been a T-Zip on both sides you could open it up fully making access and setting up your mat and gear easier. If you are sitting in the tent you cant access the other vestibule as door is really at your feet. The zips are not long enough at the bathtub / bottom making the inner door difficult to tie back. The triangular pockets for storing something such as a phone are useless. Another is if you are 5' 10" or taller and on a mat which is 10cm thick you get draughts across your head and feet. You can notice this in cold windy weather as the mesh sections taper down into the corners either end. More than that but they are key ones.Atb
I have a silnylon single Rainbow from Tarptent. It is an underrated company with unique designs. Most people are very happy with them, as I also. I hope you’re happy.
Single Rainbow Li ......would be my Winner
Free Standing👍
@@fuggoff5277 with trekking poles it becomes free standing. It’s worked for me on rocky ground. Great design. It would be real lite and versatile in DCF for sure 😊
Hi Ray, my Stratospore 1 in sil nylon arrived yesterday. I am 6ft and can feel a bit cramped sometimes on the width. So I went for this option, it is in sil nylon but one day I may upgrade. A bit sad, but I camped out in it last night I need to get use to the pitch. But up in a flash and plenty of space. So very pleased. I look forward to seeing a notch for real sometime. Enjoy your tent, I'm sure we will be seeing more if it very soon. AtB Grant.
Hope you have some fun with the Stratospire as it seems a good tent as well. Atb
Excellent review Ray, must say I'm really happy with my silnylon version so far. I don't think you need extra tie out points at the triangles ends as once you've tighten everything up, it stays in place. I might eventually splash out on a DCF tent.
So far so good. However all the mods done now and see how it fairs in the next few weeks. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors will be interesting to see how you get on with it. 👍🏼
I have this tent and I added two very simple elastic guy loops at the bottom mid point of these panels. I think that's all you need because the panels (unlike say the lanshan) will not depress in wind to the point where they are touching you. The elastic ties on the inner seem a faff, so I added the standard plastic toggles found on most tents. I don't have zips on the fly however its never let in so far. All in all a great tent design
It's either this or the Aeon Li as far as my eye can see. I bought the Aeon Li after seeing the American backpackinglight video from Ryan Jordan about it. I just hopped onto the tarptent website and bought it and I felt 100% sure I was buying the best tent on earth for my needs. And thanks to your video I am now 50% sure. I have now poured over more videos and reviews and blogs and this Notch Li vs Aeon Li issue simply cannot be resolved. The Notch is almost three ounces heavier - but three ounces is right on the cusp of significance and insignificance with a very significant issue (weight). The Notch also has an actually smaller inside floor - exactly 20% smaller - again a negative that is difficult to attach strong significance to about another significant issue - space (and the Notch has two vestibule spaces though if even the Aeon Li's single vestibule is larger than one of the Notch's vestibules...). So for every tiny worm hole in the apple there is a fresher juicy spot on it as with the also juicy orange beside it which also has the odd tiny blemish but of a different tiny blemish than the apple. But the shiniest part of the Notch Li it has doors on both sides and it is a double wall tent which must mean less condensation than the Aeon Li - even if not a lot less. Then again the Aeon Li's shiniest spot may be its much smaller area making it easier to pitch in tighter spaces and again that insignificant but still significant three ounces of lighter weight - and I suppose more like 4.5 ounces lighter when one isn't using trekking poles and has to add a second 1.7oz pole for the Notch when the Aeon only needs one. So all in all if I decide to keep my Aeon Li instead of exchanging it for the Notch Li, this decision will be to avoid the hastle of it but also because for the life of me I cannot decide which of these tents is better.
I had the same dilemma, but what finally swung it for me was the see through material. The Notch
Li with a solid inner is less see through, plus I suspect it will stand up to more wind.
I altered the guylines on the small A poles on my tarp tent moment DW with a long single guy line that puts more tension on each end of the tent, leaving just the short guy lines attached to the bottom of the A poles. Does mean carrying two extra tent pegs.
Easy to change back if it doesn't work for you.
I've given up on using tent door tie backs and now use a clothes peg.
I'm waiting on my tarptent StratoSpire Li to arrive. The notch was too small for me. I too am intending on additional guy out points using the same patches.
Did fancy that as well but just had to give this one a go. Been thinking about it for years and would kick myself if I hadn't. Hope you have some great times with yours. Atb
Quickly becoming a fave channel, could listen to those dulcet tones for hours. Realize it's non hiking related but would be great to see a video on the camera / audio gear you use, how you record your videos etc. You always seem to have fantastic clear audio!
Did have one at some point and not many interested. Gear I use is the Sony A6400, GoPro Hero 8 and Rode Wireless Go. All edited on free Davinci Resolve. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors Thanks! Do you have the Rode connected wireless to the Go Pro or is that just for filming with the Sony Cam?
Nice video. Nice tent! My perfect inner would be like this except one door in full mesh.So on good days I could have a nice view when in the sleepingbag. (instead of lifting my head up to see outside) Thanks. Enjoy the tent! (my guess: It's great but a wee small)
Great as usual, I picked up a secondhand tarptent moment which has its own pole but weightier in the sil (1139g)all in I think.
Great review. I imported the Zpacks Duplex last yr and after watching this I'm scratching my head thinking hmmmm did I make the right decision!
Trying to find the perfect tent is a bit of an expensive nightmare. Have the older version Solplex that I haven't used yet but will be keen to see how it fairs against the Notch. Have done some mods to the Notch which will be in a video this week coming. Seen lots of people rave about the Duplex so I hope it serves you well. Atb
Thanks for the info close to hitting the buy it now on this myself 😬
Fellow Notch Li owner here. I've done only 1 mod so far, and that is to replace the apex guylines with 3m long 2.5mm dyneema braided line, I think it'll add stability to be able to stake the apex guylines further away.
That was first thing I done and agree with you on that. Also maybe looking at modifying that as well to have the option of two guyline from the apex if required. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors How do you think you'll do that, add an additional line loc tensioner?
@@jasonngldn Make the guyline tensioner from the apex about 150mm long and add a keyring loop. Then add two lines from the ring. This way you have one tension line is pulling tight two guy lines out at an angle. If weather isn't that bad you could unclip on line from the keyring loop or tie up in a bunch at top and then just use single line. Thats my first idea.
The Double Rainbow Li is what I've been drooling over the past couple years, with the lines. Man o man..
One day I hope you get one. Been a long time with my finger on the buy button for this one. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors happy for ya mate! Can't wait to see your experiences with it. :D
I have a single Rainbow and love it. Great company with unique designs. I’d love to get the DCF version.
Take a look at the x-mid
That Tent rocks my boat better than the other 3.
That inner looks the business, always wondered why more don't do that style it seems so obvious. Maybe just our climate
I've got the scarp 2 which is bombproof, great choice of tent and company Henry Shires and a great video pal 👍
Hi Ray, I hope you enjoy your notch and I have slowly come really like mine. I like the look of those patches and shall check them out. I havn't used mine in bad weather as so far I have chosen my nights out. It certainly nice to sleep with all the doors open , in England anyway as we dont have such a midge problem in summer.
All the best.
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Looking forward to try it. Atb
I’ve had this tent for a few years. The old version without the zip & solid inner roof.
Hasn’t bothered me even on cliff top gales, but I can see the improvement and with a couple of yer big panel stick on anchor points. (I wouldn’t bother with the end ones mind as it’s pretty aerodynamic and sturdy in the wind from the ends).
Jist another one. 😊. Ye need be careful cooking in the porch especially with meths as I have scarred the dyneema slightly. Didn’t realise the heat was getting to it. It’s still functions and is waterproof, just hoping it doesn’t degrade ower time.
Regards Tam.
One thing you didn’t mention (unless I missed it) are the end panel roll back vents which I often have open 👍
Glad to hear you have had good use out of yours. The porches are not the best for cooking and just do it outside as such. Haven't used the end vents yet and forgot all about them. Atb
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Haven’t had ‘any’ condensation by using them and of course with the old doors a little bit more air.
Great tent, love the double porches and the size. I also bought the poles as I cycle a bit.
Just the colour tbh.
Not used it for nearly 2 years just because of that. I’ve been meaning sell mine for a while soon just because of that. ??
Excellent vid' Ray. I have an older silnylon Notch and am a big fan of the quirky design and if I'm honest the Tarptent brand full-stop. I'm looking forward to seeing you get some use with this. ATB, Chris
That's super light at 600g.
I'm thinking about trying the Six Moons Lunar solo as a summer tent, 730g.
Check out Walk With Wallace channel as he used one for a long time. Sure he don a head to head comparison vs the Lanshan version. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors Thanks Ray, yes I've seen a couple of his videos on the tent, and the one vs the Lanshan made me prefer the Six Moons. I've only discovered it recently most other videos I saw were of people using the Lanshan.
Best tent I've seen you review so far, looks Ideal for your CWT adventure, for me personally , it's just a wee bit on the small side, I guess I'll stick to my old Vango, 1.8KG is lightweight enough 4 me lol.
Looks good, you'll be looking forward to getting out on the trail with it🏕🚶♂️🏴👌
Cant wait mate, just like yourself ;) Atb
Love your videos mate, thank you. I'll likely be picking up a Notch LI to replace my Zpacks Solplex. All the best. Russ
Thanks for watching Russ. Just back from a wee trip and so far the Notch Li has proved an ok tent. Did do some modifications though that I felt it needed. Atb
Hope it works out for you Ray. My main concerns would be how does it fare in a wild Scottish day and if you break a pole... I've went through 3 sets of poles. Anyway best way to find out is try it yourself. ATB
P. S. finally used my scarp 1 in the snow at 3,000ft, great size/weight and 2 good porches. Scarp 1 very light I can't imagine the notch being nearly a third... must be like carrying a kitchen roll.
Hi mate. That is always a possibility with a pole breaking but you can have temp pitch with one in an emergency. Keen to try it in some stormy weather as from experience seeing the Scarp in stormy weather this should actually do very well. The material although light is silly strong and only thing that would affect it is poor tent peg selection. look forward to see how you get on with the Scarp in comparison to your Hilly. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors I've been looking at cuben fibre shelters TBH. Anyway we all can legally camp now, at least for several months anyway. Gairich is a great viewpoint.
The Magnet is great , if you made a wee 3 inch ribbern and had two small magnets sown at each end you could sort the saggy door out better . Just wrap it around and each magnet would grab through the fabric if that makes sence . ATB , nice tent.
Yeh, had thought that at the time why not stitch in magnets to the fabric and do the same thing with the inner as outside. There is a few quirks and also throwbacks to the older version which I will be discussing in next video. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors I've experimented with some small magnets to roll and hold back the inner in mine. It's not so great, the issue is the magnets are powerful enough to attract outer to inner and it introduced more annoyance than it solved.
I’m not sure if it’s possible but have you tried to add a to a zip puller to your other tents? You see those kits on eBay where you can add them. Then you’ll have a double zipper. Great video & definitely agree with everything you mentioned here.
Not yet!
Nice looking tent - look forward to seeing you out in the hills
I have loved the scarp 1
Atb 👍🏽
This could be the one Ray , I do like those magnetic clips so many times I fight with cold hands to tie them back. atb Dave
Might be mate. Atb
Thanks for not only sharing the review, but also sharing your thoughts. Very interesting!
As a side sleeper this looks rather narrow. I wonder what size sleeping pad fits in there? Or am I being mislead by distortions due to the way the vid,is made?
Looking forward to hearing how well it works for you!
You should be fine on your side and I have a new mat to try with it that I had had in mind when i decided to go for it. All revealed in next film. Atb
Hi I’m new to your channel and I’m so glad I stumbled across you. Very informative, calming and interesting content. Thank you for taking the time
Welcome!
when i was looking at a new tent it was either this or the duomid, went for the duomid, wish i hadnt, might have to sell up and bite the bullet and get one..great vid as ever..ATB WJ
Don't do anything just yet. There are things I prefer with the duomid and to be honest until I fully test this on the trail I think the Duomid is still one of the best setups out there. Atb
Appreciate the reviews, Ray. Thank you. 👍🙂
Glad you like them!
Just ordered one today. Currently thru hiking the pct in a aeon li but I’m too tall and keep hitting the walls.
That tent looks like a winner! Nice video btw.
Thanks a lot. Atb
Great minds, I have the exact same tent and think it's perfect for the CWT. I love it but lockdown has meant it's not had enough use. I also have in mind a tiny bit of modding so looking forward to see what you make of it when you get some miles in with it.
Few mods done already last night. Hope to get out with it this weekend and do a wee film with it. Atb
UPDATE: I shortened the nylon webbing at the floor-to-pole attachments. They were too long to permit the floor to be fully widened without setting the hiking poles at too much of an angle. I cut the webbing down to 3/4"" when doubled it back and hand stitched it nearest the floor leaving a small loop to insert a heavier elastic core for the pole end attachment.
BTW, I purchased the optional hiking pole handle "pockets" that tie in the peaks and capture your hiking pole handles so they stay in place (and stay off the wet ground!)
Also you will find, when comparing Tarptent DCF tents with most other DCF tents, that the design, sewing and reinforcements are at the top of their class. Henry shires lost many of his sewers to a warehouse company so had to send the DCF tents (only) to one of China 's very top tent fabricators and it shows in the great quality of his DCF tents.
Great review and great tips.Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Nice review, and another nice location. I’ve enjoyed these films. Looks a nice shelter, I’ve seen one of there models in action on a thru hike and was amazed at the weight (or lack of), my silnylon tent all saggy in the morning and the Cuban fibre tent just as taught as when pitched. Like the idea of modding the side panels. Good luck with tent Ray, look forward to seeing your clips of CWT , 👍
ATB
Sounds like you really love this tent sir, hopefully it performs flawlessly for you on the CWT!
I hope so too!
Really cool video and great tent. 😊😊😊
Thanks! 👍
Just a shame it's not available in a dark green, living in England requires more stealth camps.
on another note, what editing software do you use, thanks.
Started to use Davinci Resolve. It is free and was fed up paying for Premier Pro. It seems complex to learn at first but watch YT films and it is very easy once you have made a few films. Just stick with it. Wish i had switched years ago now. Atb
That’s my major gripe too as a Scot living in England hard enough to find a decent camp spot never mind with a tent that stands out a mile.
I agree with this, I think they’d get quite a few more sales if they had a more stealthy colour.
J Door ?? Ray, stuck on repeat, I'm happy with my Scarp 1 but looks good Ray.
Yep, and will keep going on about it. Might get this inner modified to prove the point, lol. Atb
Hi Ray - Great video. Do you still use this? I have a Z Packs Duplex but i'm not sure it will work for me on the Cape Wrath Trail next year. Would you recommend this for that?
Do know walk with wallace used the Silnylon Notch for his CWT trek and got on well with it. However for me I found it too cramped and small for use on a long trek. My ideal option was my first walk on the CWT using the MLD Duomid as very strong in high wind. Initially fix with four pegs, put pole up and and you are out of the bad weather. Great space to get packed or unpacked. If you add an inner from 3F such as the one I got online then you doint suffer badly from single skin setup condensation either.
@@RS.Outdoors Thanks Ray, thats really helpful. Im nervous about using my duplex on the CWT as it has no zip and im concerned about wind direction shifting after set up. Maybe the duomid (if available that is!) is the way forward then.
I really did enjoy that review it was so calm and professionally presented :)
I have to say that this tent really got my attention. Maybe something for mein Spring/Summer 2022 :)
The StratoSpire Li also looks amazing tbh.
How do you like it so far?
Cheers from Switzerland
ATB ;)
It is a good tent but a little cramped if you plan on using for more than 3-4 days I would say. Not much space to do admin, etc out of the rain. Will be going back to a pyramid style tent such as the Duomid I had before. Atb
Nice little review, thanks for doing it :-) I've got the Scarp2 and had my eye on this very tent for longer multiday hikes but I'm a big 6ft 4in. I'm thinking it looks a little tight for someone as tall as me? I need 105cm interior height to be able to sit up which I think it's OK for, but it looks tight length-wise.
Think you would fit but it would be a bit tight I feel. Sadly might need to try and meet up with somebody who has one and lay in to see what you think. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors Thank you. I'll give you a call if I'm up your way :-) I fancy the Fisherfield 6 in May. I might take a few days and savour the round. I enjoy your videos and I know your take is based on real world experience. Good. I want magnets for all my inner doors. Those toggles are a pain and the Tarptent Scarp elastics come undone too easily....
@@overthehill370 Noticed that about the tabs when filming at the weekend. The Fisherfield round is an amazing experience with blinding views if the weather plays ball. Atb
Is it better than the Durston X-Mid? Now that's the real question.
Possibly? The Durston is meant to be a great tent, just not sure on the big panels sagging when wet. Think he is looking at a Dcf version as well. Atb
Thanks for the excellent review... Tarptent has some really great products and DCF is just awesome. What I miss with the Notch Li is a wider base. For wide pads it is a bit too narrow for my liking. 10cm more would be a blessing. What is your view or have you tried the tent with a wide (25") sleeping pad?
Pad issue sorted. Keep eye out for my solution in next video. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors I know this is 2 years later, but I never caught whatever it was you did to add a little room. I know you’re onto other tents now, but what did you end up doing back then?
Hello Ray. Do you still rate and like the DCF tents. I have been looking at the Zpacks tents Duplex XL. Atb Steve 👍
I do as I find the material not as flappy as silnylon and doesn't absorb water the same either. Not sure on Zpacks though as never used one but if you watch the Hounds of Howgate channel he uses both the Duplex and MLD Duomid and rates both of them.
Yes that's why I was looking at Zpacks aswell after watching John's videos. Thanks Ray 👍
Curious if you modified it right away, or if you tried it in the wind and snow before modifying it.
Having used a silnylon Notch since 2016, the additional tie out on the bottom of the vestibule flaps would be the only thing I'd like to do. Prop a stick under each one for more room and ventilation. Even with the mesh interior, the tent is surprisingly good at not being drafty.
Hi Dave. I knew in advance I was going to do what i done just due to the large panels. However I have found the Notch to be a bit cramped and lacking on space for my needs, more so in bad weather. Atb
Looks the business, Ray. I’ve just ordered a duo mid and inner in DCF for spring my rough to autumn... trying to create a lighter setup. Looking at a 10-12 week wait though. Really like like the look of this one though... be interested to see how you get on with it... what is the total weight of it?
Great vid as always. ATB. Craig
The Duomid is a great setup and must be about the same as this. The Notch Li is coming in at around 600 grams with 4 pegs. There is no way I would just have it setup with 4 pegs although you can. Currently have a 12 peg setup ;) Atb
@@RS.Outdoors cheers Ray. Really enjoy your vids mate. Keep up the good work 👍🏼
Good rew
Looking at the ends bud, would it work if you seperated the higher guy from the lower one holding the poles apart, a slightly longer guy could be fitted to centre and it's only one extra peg instead of two, just a thought without actually seeing it myself.
God idea, and something similar to what I have already done. Will be in next video. Atb
You're a right fussy bugger with your tents 🤣 very good points made though to be fair.... Hope it does you well
Yes I am a bit. But if the perfect tent was out there you wouldn't see so many questions on what one to get across the forums, lol. Atb
Great review 👍
Thanks! 👍
Still think this is the goto shelter for uk long distance hiking?
Hi Ueo.Would be fine for a few days but find it a bit too cramped during foul weather. Not a lot of space inside or in the vestubules to be honest.
Do you still use the Notch? If not why did you move on?
I don't have the Notch anymore for a couple of reasons. It is great if you want to go lightweight on a multiday trip, however I found it a little bit too small and cramped inside. Much prefer the Duomid which is better in wind and also has far more space inside and think it is about the same weight. Also if I want to try out different gear on the channel I need to sell one and buy another to try out things. Actually going back to basics with an old favourite of mine in the next video. Atb
Hi. What guy lines did you replace the original tarptent with?
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Meant to say the other day, have you thought about trying a pair of Salomon X Ultra Mid Goretex for the Cape Wrath trail? I know the Innov8 shredded your feet. Might be a good trade off with comfort and weight for you. I'm also a Salomon fan and have both the mid boot and the larger quest. Mid boot does the bulk of the work I find during the year, with less of the weight. Just a thought.
Have tried them and think they are great. My Salomon X Ultra Trek boots though are not much heavier and a bit more robust. Atb
How are you feeling about the Notch Li after a few months? I'm thinking of pulling the trigger. It looks a great wee tent for backpacking. I have a Zpacks Duplex but looking for something I can tuck into smaller spaces.
Has it kept you dry and stayed up in wind ok so far?
Any other thoughts after a little while using it?
Many thanks.
It is an ok tent but has a few quirks. Due to the two trekking poles and DCF material the top is very tight and is silly loud in heavy rain because of it. Also the staggered J-Zip doors are a but of a pain to access gear depending on what end you are sitting and wish it was a t_Zip setup so you could open up the whole inner. Because of the small doors it can be a faff at times setting up your mat as your backside sticks out in the rain, lol. The inner door tie backs are not the best. Haven't had issues with getting wet and condensation not been an issue as yet. been fine in mild windy weather but nothing storm force yet. However still think a DCF pyramid style shelter is best setup I have owned to date. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors Yes I always recommend inverted T zips too but I can live with that. I had a MLD duomid and Oookworks inner set up but a couple of hundred grammes heavier and I suspect more of a faff to set up. I can put up with noise, I usually take ear plugs.
It looks like it works ok with your wide pad? (I use a Thermarest uberlite 25" wide matt)
I think I can probably learn to live with the doors for ease of pitching and light weight as long as it's going to keep me dry and stand up in a bit of wind :-) ATB to you too!
@@jimj3500 I use the Large sea to summit woman's etherlite mat as it fits the inner perfect due to shape.
cripes, you're getting through more tents than Andrew Park :D
Never. This is last for a long tiime. :)
@@RS.Outdoors I'm in no position to throw stones, I have a couple of tarptents, a Stratospire 2 and an Aeon Li, they're keepers.
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I have been seriously looking as this tent. I find being able to ventilate across the top of a tent really reduces condensation so being able to crack open top of the 2 doors of the Notch should be great. With a traditional tent the poles flex in high winds. I'd be interested in your and anyone elsea experience of whether the rigity of walking poles put extra strain on the tent fabric and structure
Looking at website diagram it's 20" width at foot and head so a 25" pad won't fit.
Depends on what pad you get ;) Atb
I've got this tent and my large thermarest xtherm pad fits, a little tight granted but it does fit.
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Same here mate. Snug but fits and no rolling off 👍
Highly recommend the oex phoxx ii and nature hike cloud up 2 also excellent tents. Great video and content as always 😀👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🏕⛺️👍😀 sub from me
It’s not in stock 😩😩😩
Register for his emails as he gets batches at a time made. Atb
You would think after a century of progression in tent design and manufacture, collectively they would have come up with a suitable
tent that is not only lightweight and warm, but fully waterproof too. Seems a bit like cars, they all take you from A to B, but some do
so in more lavish surroundings with better or lesser fuel economy, etc
Tent companies should act on feedback and design for individual use whilst increasing the same design in size for two, three and
upwards. Also if we were to see an end to tents selling at under £100 in UK we may just begin to see an end to tents being
discarded at festivals or lochsides, for even dirty campers have a budget.
Thanks for the review however, very useful and a lot of work to upload by the looks of things. Cheers 🙂
Nice looking tent for summer, but tbh it looks like a light breeze could take it down, not for me sorry.
Fair enough, but think you will find it is a lot stronger than you realise. Atb
Its top of my list too, just can't afford it at the moment. Appreciate your honest views.... increasingly rare! Was that a political comment? " in the UK and Scotland " lol ;-)
You can see right through me mate. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors well I'll still watch.... there's always hope 🇬🇧
Please stop with the tentalanche Ray! I just can't take anymore and neither can my twitching credit card. This one looks the dog's. Build quality ok? I am constantly finding tatty bits on the scarp 1.
Last tent for a for a good while mate. Will put this Tarptent through its paces and have already done some modifications which i hope to show in a video I will try and make this week. Build looks good so far and he gets these made in special factory in China. However the dcf is taped and as such always have neat edges in regards to that. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors Great. On the tie togther inenr doors on mine I just shewed a loop out of the outside tape and threaded a spring toggle onto the other one. i am sure you will do the same nd have seen the same thing on lots of tents.