How Porsche Completely Dominated Le Mans
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ม.ค. 2023
- Porsche’s motorsport credentials speak for themselves. They’re dominance in endurance racing means that to this day they are the most decorated manufacturer in the discipline, with a staggering 19 Le Mans wins since their first in 1970 with the 917. Today we’re talking about 2 of the cars that set-in stone Porsche’s ambition, and crucially their ability to dominate the World Sportscar Championship throughout the 1980s. This is the story of Le Mans’ most successful dynasty, the Porsche 956 and 962.
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Back around 2001/2002 I was doing a track day in Spa with my Subaru Impreza, there was a team there also doing testing with their 962C cars. At the drivers lunch the organisers of the track day mentioned that this team were offering rides around the circuit. So, yeah I was lucky enough to get a ride along for 2 laps of Spa in a 962C going full beans. Exhilarating and terrifying both at the same time to be a passenger, the acceleration was incredible but the braking and cornering was physics defying. The 962 isn't really setup for having a passenger in race trim, I literally had a regular car seat belt and some foam to sit on, was hanging on for dear life... Still, it's something I'll never forget.
wow!! great memories you have 🤘
Thankfully you lived to tell the tale lol sounds crazy sketchy but awesome
A unexpected ride along is very exciting!!! No time to get nervous!!!😀😀😀😀 at a private motor club in NY , l meet a driver and got two laps in a 918 spyder!!!! Never forget that either!!! 😆😆😆😆🚘🚘🚘🚘🏁🏁🍺🍺🍺
@@plisskenationbackfromthede3657 The really sketchy bit was after I got out of the car I noticed my back was wet. This wasn't from sweat but there was a fuel leak in the cockpit where I'd been sitting. I told the team mechanics but by that time the next 'victim' was already on their way around the track so they called them in as soon as they could. I think it was actually the Brunnracing team that were there testing (mentioned in the video), they run historic racing cars.
Lucky, lucky man. Can't imagine how incredible that must have been
The 956 and 962 sit on the podium of most important race-cars ever made. In an era where race-cars were insane, Porsche managed to dominate the game for years and I think the only reason why they started to downsize their program were the absurd costs of group C, at the time it was as expensive (if not more) than Formula 1. Running a racing program is hard when you are near broke! If anything, the best way to resume the 956/962 career is with that advertisement which, I assume everyone has seen, where 9 out of the first 10 slots at Lemans were taken by Porsches, hah.
I like the new face-cam videos! Your room looks excellent.
Porsche's dominance at Le Mans in the 1980s isnt talked about enough. Even just finishing Le Mans is seen as an achievement because of how brutal it is on the cars. This was when the Mulsanne straight was still just a massive straight. They brought these cars up to like 230 mph over and over and over again. And yet Porsche defeated everyone in a fashion I have yet to see again.
- in 1982 a Porsche 956 took every step of the podium
- in 1983 A Porsche 956 took 9 out of the top 10 finishes and won the race
- In 1984 they took 8 of the top 10 places with the 956/956B and won the race
- Again in 1985 they took 8 of top 10 places with a combo of 962/956Bs and won the race
- in 1986 a Porsche race car covered the entire top 10 and won the race
- 1987 they took 1st 2nd and 4th
Suggestion 4 a vid: the story of le mans and the history of the layout. Given that this year marks the 100th anniversary of the race it would be a great idea
I like that idea, I'll do some research into it!
Good idea
Bellof's death is one of the biggest what if's in racing history, as he was seen by many as a future big star either in F1 or sportscar racing
He would probably have ended being Prost teammate at McLaren Tag Porsche in 1986. It would have been a Prost-Bellof war rather than Senna Vs Prost...
Something to note, when the 962 stopped being super competitive, the 962 wasn’t even being built by Porsche anymore. Porsche licensed it out to Kremer to continue production. Kremer later started making the chassis out of carbon but Porsche never put any effort into this or other updates
The most competitive were the Richard Lloyd and Brun cars in the latter stages, they both made their own tubs with composites and aero packages separate to the bodywork like the Jags and Saubers were running. Given it's age the Brun performance in 1990 was staggering.
@@marks7197Also Joest. They are probably just as good as the works Porsche team is. They even beat the works team a few times lol
@@theiceman7590 I was referring to the latter stages after Porsche stopped building the 962, this was when Joest were the semi-works team but not competitive tbh. In the mid 80's Joest were obviously very good and back to back wins at Le Mans even if the factory team were missing for one of them is not to be sniffed at.
Don't forget Stefan Bellof's long standing lap record at the Nordschleife in a 956 in 1983, still the official lap record.
Too bad they blew up the pipeline of the same name
So the 919 Evo's 5min 19sec lap doesn't count bc it wasn't in a race?
@@tylerplayzz8697It is experimental and unrestricted though.
@@tylerplayzz8697That is correct sir v
I remember Lancia LC1 and LC2, fighting again these monsters...
These videos are fantastic. Perfect for sating the appetite for 80s and 90s Group C era history, as well as the transition to GT1 and LMP through the 90s and 00s..
1980s for the Porsche was domination in every competition: F1 Mclaren/Porsche, WEC even Safari Rally and Dakar
Porsche has always dominated.... In the 70s they were dominating Trans Am series, Can Am series, IMSA GT, FIA endurance, and the FIA group 5, etc.....
Great vid but also gotta respect the wall art game.
Insane to see how much you have grown, even to getting sponsors! Another great video👍
Thanks! Loads more to come in 2023!
Your videos are amazing and I’m always excited whenever you upload a new Video. The way you can explain and visualize the Story is very calming and interesting!
Happy new year Countreefus!! I'm glad the TH-cam recommendations led me to your channel a few months ago. Keep making more great videos!!
i just love your Commentary Style its very soothing and you speak very clear so everything can be understood.
there are big things waiting for you like 100k subs and even 1mil i would hope :)
The 962 was the best race car ever built ❤❤❤
Does it not drive you insane that you are looking at everything through orange soda?
I've gotten used to it.
Happy new year mate and, as always, amazing video!
Reefus is back!!! Brilliant video yet again!
Love these historic videos!
Excited to see a new video, i love being educated and seeing the gorgeous race cars of our past. Also the models in the background look amazing.
Great video, keep making these! You are becoming ones of the great creators in the motorsport history category!
Thank you! That's very kind. And I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
Also worth mentioning, the 956 were the first Porsche race cars to adopt EFI - Bosch's Motronic. This was instrumental in allowing them achieve fuel consumption targets (in Group C.)
Dense, focused, bite-sized content that's enjoyable to listen to. Great content man, keep it up!
Another great video, thank you!
Your videos are fantastic man. I've subbed. Keep it up!
Thanks! Really glad you enjoyed
If we want to do a 10 steps list going by the cars that revolutionated Le Mans and Endurance forever would go on my opinion like such:
1. The Jaguar D-Type (and at the shadow of Damnatio Memoriæ his nemesis of '55 Mercedes) as the first purposelly LM built two-seaters top notch prototypes.
2. The Chaparral 2F for the very first application of high wings on a sportscar.
3. The Legends of the Ferrari P3 & P4 and the GT Mk. II deveped by Shelby and the Mk.I by John Wyer.
4. The 908 Langheck as the first car to have self activating areo-stabilizers.
5. The 917 KH and LH starting off from the 1970 Kurzheck developed under the watch of John Wyer and the remakable 1971 S.E.R.A. finally stable 400 kph-capable Langheck.
6. The first turbocharged sportcar, the Porsche 936 and 935, and the Alpine A441 to 443.
7. The first ground effect prototype, these 956 and 962 C featured here.
8. The McLaren F1 as the first hypercar to enter Le Mans (and winning at the first try) starting off the great GT1 Era, and all the others that came after included it's Long Tail derivation.
9. The Audi R8 Ultron, demonstrating that diesel engines could be competitive not only for less pit stops necessary to end the race, but also very powerful.
10. The introduction of Hybrid systems with the LMP1 Class in early 2010s.
On point 7. The first ground effect prototype was the Lola T600, not the 956.
On point 9, the R10 TDI was the first diesel winner, the later R18 E-tron was the diesel hybrid.
The Chaparral was not the first car to have a high wing..... In 1955 a swiss engineer put a wing on a 550 Spyder at Spa I believe.... Was faster then the factory 550s and pissed them off and lobbied the officials to cut it out..... You can also change angle from the driver seat so I guess is was also the first active aero......
@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo 1956 I think. But correct about the premise and manner it operated.
On point 6 I think the 911 RSR was the first turbocharged car at Le Mans.
No GT40?
Man keeps producing videos like these I might not be able to decide which one to watch first
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sweet content man!
great channel
First came the 917, then the 956, then the 962C. Then the 919 and now the 963. Porsche is truly the king of motorsports.
How tf are you not at 50k subs at least? Your content is beyond what your subs show
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Nice vid as usual 👌
Are you from Kent mate?
Thanks! And no, I'm not
My two favorite cars. 956/962!
That 2.65L engine was originally set to be in the back of the Interscope chassis, which Danny Ongias famously crashed into the Turn 3 wall that year. Porsche had received a carve-out from CART for increased boost pressure due to the stock nature of the engine that was rescinded when i showed speed in testing at Ontario. Teams had been spying on the test and when Porsche looked to be a threat to their Cosworths, the carve-out was rescinded, as the teams controlled CART, effectively neutering the engine.
It's also worth noting that Porsche's second attempt at IndyCar was in 1987, coinciding with their downturn in IMSA, both of which suffered a massive blow in 1988 with the death of Al Holbert.
Porsche still won at Mid Ohio mind, did Alfa win around that same time frame?
And people want F1 to ditch the FIA. CART is a what will happen if the engine supplying F1 teams get too much power in running a series
@@jacekatalakis8316 You are correct, Teo Fabi won at Mid-Ohio in 1989. After a rough 1988, the car was showing consistent, genuine pace, with Fabi ending up 4th in points. That was the year that Porsche pioneered carbon fiber rear wing, a huge advantage as it would not warp during a race and give consistent performance the entire time. Buoyed by this, they built their 1990 chassis fully out of carbon fiber, a novelty at the time in CART. They secured funding from Foster's beer and hired John Andretti as a second driver. Unfortunately, the established teams saw to it that the chassis would not be legal as it would be faster than the cars that the other teams (the ones that made the rules) had. March was commissioned to build a stop-gap car in 1990, but having been burned a second time, Porsche lost interest and left after 1990.
Alfa never enjoyed much success. Their contribution to the sport was engine leases. When Alfa wanted in, Pat Patrick, who had just sold his team to Chip Ganassi and was having second thoughts about it, so he called Italy to secure the new manufacturer. As he still had access to the all-conquering (at the time), llmor-Chevy engine, he shipped one to Alfa, even though this was a clear breach of his contract with Chevy. All Alfa was able to do was add weight and reduce horsepower. It was never more than lapped traffic. CART was a den of snakes, and I do not miss them.
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The top speed was actually 235 mph on the straight and 240 in the slipstream. In 1998 a 962 dauer hit 251 mph but not at Le Mans. The short tail version of the 956 had a top speed of 220-225 in places like the Nurburgring 1000 km in 1983.
Great video. The 962 was my favorite car of that era. Being here in the US I really only got to see IMSA racing which had different engine specs vs group C.
None of the 962 cars could handle the Nissan GTP ZX-turbo towards the end of the 80’s. I would still like to know how that car was so quick.
Ah, the cars that would fill up almost every spot at Le Mans in the mid-80s! I still love the 956 and 962, they're the prettiest Group C cars imo.
You probably could make a rather long video about all the ways teams and manufacturers exploited the GT1 ruleset.
I'm making a note of that...
Yes yes yes yes he is baaaack
I want to know where he got that TS020 Toyota GT-One model car in the back ground....
eBay! Its an AUTOart model which I bought used a few years ago (new ones are very expensive, there are occasionally gems in the used market which is where I look generally)
I’ve missed your videos
I got to watch the XJ8 and 917 race in the American IMSA series. Epic
Could we get a vid about the March 84G, the car of choice for Ricky Lanier’s Blue Thunder Team and one of the only cars that was really able to compete with this Porsche? Would make for a very intriguing video since most people think of Lanier escapades and not much mind is payed to the type of car he ran. Maybe a vid about the March team overall would be a good option instead idk
Actually I think a few 956/962 chassis were still in use in the 90s, same for the Jaguar XJR14 chassis that became a Mazda and the WSC Porsche then, even even some 90s Lolas but not sure on that last one
Edit: I saw the last seconds of your video about it
919 has to be up there too.
nice
I was in Germany in 1984 as a sixteen-year-old visiting my grandmother and my auntie who lived in kornwestheim Germany. Two stops away from the Porsche Factory. And we went by there and that's what we saw the 962 me and my brother. And about a week later there was a race on German television I think it was either in Spain or Italy where the 962 was running I remember those days Toyota versus Nissan versus Porsche versus Jaguar now the 962 descendant. The 963 is going to face. Cadillac Acura and BMW I wish Ford would have the GTP. And Nissan and Toyota their GTPs too. Also in that year I saw a young Michael Schumacher racing in go-karts
Porsche are the kings of endurance 🔥🔥🔥
what song is used in video?
There's also the 911 GT1 which is a 993 front end and 962 rear end and the 911GT1 evo which has a 996 front and you guessed it, 962 rear.
Because I disabled endcards from showing up, when you said "check out the story of the TWR Porsche WSC-95 on-screen now" I thought there would be a closing credits type of thing but instead of credits it would be the story of the TWR Porsche WSC-95. I'm kinda disappointed now...
Hi, can you pls make a video about the Honda HSV-010?
I will make a note of it, however I usually cover older cars. That being said I would like to take a look at some newer ones so stay tuned!
Whoever put the "includes paid promotion" over top of the "unmute" button should be fired.
I like car history
Can u make the story of alpine A442B
gunnar and kremer built 962 roadsters for LMP but they never get brought up! Porsche found many ways to un-ban their cars and engines. all 3 generations of 911 GT1 have 962 rear suspension parts, and also the 919 street concept car seems like Porsche getting out ahead of FIA Hypercar's earlier "road homologation" rules like 1994 on the face of it but they ultimately chose LMDh instead
Dauer built a street legal 962 as well didn't they? A 962 road car IIRC
It was better when we had real pictures while listening to the story/specs.
What do you mean? Half of this video is period footage of the subject
@@automobilistic It means that every time you were talking about a car, or a race, you would be showing footage at the same time, which was important for context and easy association.
Now, you're talking about the subject and showing your face.
Even the voice sounds different between the 'face' part and the footage part, which is distracting.
Don't get me wrong: the videos are great, but they used to be better.
Hei countreefus,please make story about unbeatable Audi R8 LMP car
Hi! I covered the R8 in a "versus" video in which I compared it with the Bentley Speed 8. Both cars may well get their own individual videos at some point too, but for now, here's a link to that video: th-cam.com/video/d4qjcxZU-PM/w-d-xo.html
have you done videos on toyota at lemans?
I did a video about the TS020, but it was my second ever and as such wasn't very good lol. I have also been meaning to cover the TS010 for ages. To answer your question - yes, but there will be more
@@automobilistic sweet. cant wait. love your videos bro. ♥
Hello there
and IMSA GTP
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Inscribing half of the grid with its cars, of course Porsche were going to dominate...lol.
I prefer the old style with more footage related to the topic. I always find it weird and awkward when mini-documentary style videos have these youtubers put a close up of their face for us to see instead of footages....
Sorry to hear that. Due to increased copyright problems and running into footage availability problems with many of the subjects I have wanted to cover (but couldn't for lack of video), this is now the format moving forward. I will (as in this video, where half the run-time is period footage) continue to use as much historic footage as I reasonably can, however at the end of the day the flexibility offered by controlling at least some of the footage myself increases the channel's potential by a huge amount.
wdym fall???
I mean what I said in the video: The 962 stopped winning because Porsche stopped developing it, it started falling down the order, hence the fall
@@automobilistic porsche wouldve most likely won at least one more championship if they kept developing the also great video mate just fpund ypur channel and you already are one of the best ones i know in terms of information in motorsport
And when people ask my dad and I why we believe that the list of German superiority is Mercedes, Porsche, and then BMW, is simply because when Mercedes wants to, they will win, Porsche consistently wins but only falls short because its a VW, and BMW.... Well, their interior build quality and rim quality always falls short of the other two... But each one is absolute perfection in their own right and unique way about doing things.
What? Porsche is the most race successful automaker in motorsports period, beyond sports prototype endurance and their 19 le mans wins.... From dominating the Can Am series and the Chevy McLarens, to the 70s Trans Am series, to group 5 IMSA GT, group C, group 5 FIA, GT1 , Dakar, TAG turbo McLarens, 60s monte carlo, and the numerous endurance racing champions and endurance GT championships...... Not to mention all the times the 911 have beaten the prototypes, from the 1973 Daytona, to 73 target Florio, 1979 le mans, etc........ The other cars to do that was the McLaren F1 and the c5r Corvette.......... Porsche is motorsports........
@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo and Mercedes is innovation at its finest, whenever they set out to do something, they do it and then leave once they have shown everyone else how its done. Look at the 1950's Mille Milia with the 300sl race cars, first year they cane second, won the next year and left after 53 and built the road going model in 54. Done, next time they entered racing was around the 80's if not mistaken and won between then and the 90's in the series' they entered and left again. Porsche is like I said, spectacular and one of the only pure racing teams out there because again, Porsche like you stated. But you cant deny that Mercedes doesnt do the same thing, just not as consistent but Im not only talking about motorsports, Im talking in general purpose. Mercedes is #1 all around but in motorsports Porsche is #1 because of the simple matter that they have the most racing wins in Le Mans alone, nearly three times as much as Ferrari if not more. Im also certain I got some dates wrong obviously so feel free to correct me, but I am not denying that what your saying isnt true either. This is just how I feel.
1) Nowadays, Mercedes interiors are meh
2) Mercedes hasn't made a properly innovative/ground-breaking/trend-setting car for almost a decade.
@@georgesgranger6362 ? Doesn't matter that you think Merc is fine or whatever your perception about anything is. There's facts and statistics that beat perception. The fact is that Porsche is the worlds most succesful and dominant motorsport brand in history, Merc is not at all, not even close. BMW has more race wins than Merc does. Your opinion doesn't really matter.
_Great_ content, but I have to say that the 5-second edits are jarring and "youtuberish." If you mess up, it's far better to either repeat a full minute of dialog or leave in the occasional "uh" to remind people you're human. We don't need _you_ to be flawless, we want the information and images and already good script.
I appreciate the feedback. Its undoubtedly something that I will get better at (and create a better system for) the more videos like this I do. My voice-only videos had a pace that I have tried to keep up, the only problem is that pace was achieved by editing out every breath and stutter, so its a bit of a learning curve
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Dude, why are you so fidgety ? Either stand still or take yourself off the screen, it's distracting. Your voice is fine but stop moving around so much when you're on camera.
no
your entire video is made with AI?
What? Its literally historical footage + me talking to camera. What part would be AI?
@@automobilistic the script
@@tripleBOOMER absolutely not. Not only is this video from january 2023, but even the newest version of chat GPT is extremely bad at knowing history or writing anything that doesn't sound horribly stilted.
Only time I've ever used AI in video production is for text-in-image translation during research. No aspect of a final video has ever been AI generated.
@@automobilistic well put, thanks for clarifying 🤙
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