@@z2ei the hate click channels did a whole cycle on it. I was coming from the other direction, I was accustomed to real world cultures in the game. My issue was the people that weren't until they had to defend it.
Most are laughing, I heard it from 4chan when it dropped and all they did was laugh about it. I would say it was met at best with a shrug and a laugh. I myself made the leaps of logic from them to wait we now have pistols to wait do we now have dnd deadlands.
Problem is, it's only hilarious until you realise these people are literally and completely dedicated to the extinction of humanity and decide to come for you next.
WOTC: “a bunch of gender-special Twitter weirdos have to turn their heads and squint to find something offensive about Orcs…. I know, let’s base them off a real-world culture!” Everybody who isn’t a terminal Redditor: “Bruh…”
The trick is that now the twitter weirdos have switched and say this good now. I like the Mexican orcs (I'm Mexican) but my god this culture war nonsense is exhausting, I wish both of the crazy sides would just leave. Honestly won't be surprised when the Twitter people switch on a dime when the book finally comes out and calls it cultural appropriation like as if this month's discourse didn't happen.
I'm old-fashioned for my orcs. I like them as an "Always Chaotic Evil" race. Every game needs some straight-up enemies you don't need to feel guilty about fighting. The Peter Jackson orcs are pretty much how I like them.
I use Goblins and Kobolds for it since players tend to underestimate them at first. Makes for a good dynamic akin to how exterminators feel about termites.
Everything's a real-world parallel for these people though. "Fighting Always Chaotic Evil races is problematic because we believe that X real world race is always chaotic evil, this is why we've imported them into your societies en-masse to destablilse you."
@@KopperNeoman FANTASTIC analogy!!! And then these same people break out the surprised Pikachu face when said groups end up rioting because they feel like they weren't allowed to commit ENOUGH crimes. See France and the Netherlands.
I like morally complex humanoid characters, so instead of orcs I swap em out for a homebrewed race of bio-mechanical necromancer constructs I call the Dreg, they don't speak, they are essentially function as hive of fleshwarping ants. Perfect cannon fodder for the wokespotters. What I am trying to say is they are tyrannids or xenomorphs. Orcs in my world are more akin to wood elves or nomadic tribes, Elves are more akin to the high elves and dark elves they use slaves and magic and generally the racial stereotype for them is elves are backstabbing greedy narcissists when in reality thats not entirely true as there is an elvish underclass of peasantry, dwarves were the people who refused to leave the laboratories and bunkers of the old world and they are very hermetic, they don't like the other races and both men and women grow beards.
Color me jaded; but if they are really bringing back Mystara, then I expect them to screw it up like they do nearly everything they touch. WOTC doesn’t seem to want to really devote much to anything other than the Forgotten Realms. But considering how big Mystara is, then there's no way it's coming out good. If they somehow pull it off, I’ll be happy to take back some of the things I’ve said about them. I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong and I’ll give them praise when they earn it. I just think it's just odd they chose the Krugel orcs out of all the possible options to choose from for hinting at re-doing Mystara.
They did it entirely by accident. They had no idea what the Krugel orcs were. Like when they included Strongheart and Mercion on the new PHB and didn't realize they are canon Mystara characters. It's just old content for them, they can't be bothered with context. I'm not optimistic, but I am amused when they claim to have meant to do just that all along.
@@johnstuartkeller5244 fun fact the line we don't need no stinking badges is from blazing saddles. In treasure of the Sierra Madre he said we don't have to show you any badges.
orcs adapting to imitate their successful adversaries is a fun and realistic idea. also a great conversation ender for anyone who points the fact out into their face, only to find their own face nailed to the village walls.
I’m now reminded of Elder Scroll’s interpretation of Orcs and how they gave them an overall “Asian” (Mongolian/Turkic, bits of bobs from all over) aesthetic while also sticking with the classic LOTR inspiration. The armour and clothing just look cool. Have to say however, I much prefer that aesthetic over Cowboy orcs.
Honestly my only issue is frankly the reason they did this borderline cultural appropriating change and that’s because a bunch of weirdos saw orcs as a negative black stereotype somehow, which only really tells me they themselves are the racists. Beyond that, I’d have preferred they delve into more ancient South American culture and go Aztec Mayan with it, honestly orcs would rock the look, I mean think of how iconic still Ogre from Tekken 3 is, it works.
Exactly, but they cant do that because that'd be offensive, and saying that a humanoid race that can only be evil is"PrObLeMaTiC". These people dont understand what a game is and just want some squeaky clean narrative with no conflict or to fuel their obsession with supposed moral ambiguity and subverting muh expectations.
What I've been thinking is that, to "avoid offending" one group, they've made a tone-deaf decision to model the orcs on a different (modern-day) stereotype instead - which could equally easily generate the same kind of comments (complaints?) as leaving them alone. At least going for Aztec "look" (or some other similar option) would be chosing a no-longer-modern-day culture.
I like the idea of the orcs having different animal attributes depending on the region and culture. It certainly sets them apart from the other versions roaming around the ttrpg sphere. An 8ft tall muscular otter headed creature with an axe is definitely something to run away from.
Hey Mr. Welch, great video as always. Love the Kara-Kara, you want a different Orc, the Kara-Kara are the way to go! Their ancestral chant gives them 3 temporary hit points and doubles there proficiency bonus with the intimidate skill. What good is intimidation? It causes the frightened condition. The sharktooth sword they have gives the wielder advantage on intimidate checks. The spells the witch doctor has are cleric spells. So cause fear and dust devil are no longer on the cleric spells list. I just call them island spell. A lot of this module is fear based. Tapu means Island God, a name given for the living God (hog man). I even came up with a beautiful description for their wooden scale mail. I did a lot of reading on the Kara-Kara and their abilities. Everything I found was from D&D not a homebrew. Thanks Mr. Welch you have a wonderful day!
Lets be honest. If WotC released *The* *3* *Amigo's* as an adventure to protect a village against Orcs from Mystara's Hollow World, would that not that be cool? It's a classic adventuring tale, but this time our adventure's are all actors *pretending* to be adventurers without giving the game away. I have full confidence they wouldn't make it *good*, but I'm sure Mr Welch could do a video on it to make it fun and...coherent. Come to think of it, coherency seems to be WotC's weak point. 5th Ed lacks coherency rules.
It would fit much more naturally into the Savage Baronies/Red Steel. I prefer the Hollow World in general as a setting, because it's such an interesting world idea and full of so much Mystara lore and history, but the Savage Coast is the setting for all things Latin American.
With the description given in the OD&D book I’m surprised more people don’t take advantage of it and seriously make some evil beasties like in Dr. Moreau. The description doesn’t say one type of beast.
I'm of the mind that non-evil Orcs should not be black-coded, Latino-coded, white-coded or race-coded, but "Mike Fink, King of the River"-coded. "WELL BOYS, HOPE THEY DON'T RUN OUTTA MONONGAHELA RED EYE _THIS_ TIME! HAHAHAHAHAHA!"
@@anexistanthuman2435 All fantasy races should be coded based on various types of Englishmen; like Halflings being country bumpkins, Elves being posh twats and Orcs being the violent scum class. Also Dorf is Norf, simple as an' I tha don' like it then tha know where door is.
Orcus Porkus? Upvote for that alone. That's going to stick in my mind for a while. Edit: So the the ideologues accidentally ripped of Mystra or made a tribute to it? Also Mister Welch, the reason people got so pissy is because these people act in bad faith so many times that anything they do is automatically... and just saw more of the video... I really need to comment AFTER I watch the full video and not in the moment. Ah well, at least you know I'm excited to hear from you. Oh by the way. I do have a question for you, unrelated to the video. But your massive list of rules... they seem to imply you play a great deal more than you DM or do you DM at all? Or do I seriously need to look through your backlog of videos before asking stupid questions?
It's thirty years of playing, back when you could find games much easier. I still play as much as I can, but for the more obscure games I have to be the DM now.
Ever notice that whenever someone tries to make a "good" version of a traditionally evil fantasy race (orcs, goblins, etc.) they always try to make them cute or hot? As if to say that people who are "ugly" can't be good.
@@Mr_Welch That's my point. He looks like a villain but he's a volunteer firefighter and apparently a really great guy to work with. Yet if he was a D&D character, they'd probably change the way he looks. Ugly orcs and goblins can still be "good" if that's what you want to do. They need to stop equating "attractive" with "moral."
Lord of the rings orcs and Warhammer orcs are clearly British, this was pointed by my British friend, with Warhammer it is obvious, but I can’t say he is wrong about others
Apologizing to the w**e mob is literally the worst thing to do since it only makes them come at that person even harder. The best strategy is the Joe Rogan approach of just riding it out until they find something else to ree at the sky about next month like they always do.
8:45 The classics will always be the way I see the Kara Kara. Sorry dude. Yours are too formidable looking for 2 HD creatures. Plus, screw 'em. They don't like tropical themed Orcs, they don't have to use them. Doesn't mean the Orcs are the one's that have to change.
I would have to look at the list of scheduled videos. I space them out so I'm not talking about one topic too many times in a short period. Learned my lesson doing that
@@kevinneroza8439 probably not. But they have made multiple references to it in recent weeks. Even including it in the D&D World book well at the same time excluding other settings.
@@Mr_Welch It annoys me that they haven’t brought back Lupins still we have cat people why not canine people?! Plus weren’t Lupins a race from and in the world of Mystara?
@@kevinneroza8439 Yes they were. They were the goodest boys. But they weren't deemed important enough to steal and put in the forgotten realms like the tortles
I'm a leftist who enjoys fantasy ttrpgs and I know a lot of people will say it's people like myself who are to blame for things wotc is doing but like... I'm just as baffled and bemused by their choices as the next person, so it ain't really for us either. Literally every culture depicted in any fantasy you or I could think of is based, to a greater or lesser extent, on real world cultures, and this can be done in bad taste, obviously, but you've got a company with people who don't actually care about misrepresenting cultures at all, and just thinks their surface level analysis (ie sales and market analysis) tells them: people more concerned with respectful representation = change a bunch of stuff to make it as generic (so, ironically euro-centric, because western culture is what we consider to be generic) as possible, or.... you get what they've done with orcs now, which is, even for them, quite baffling. IDK, I never really bought their products after 4e came out and nowadays I run games like Shadowdark, BECMI, Call of Cthulhu, anything newer than 3.5 is off my radar for the most part, I just keep seeing stuff about the orcs so that made it on.
So you're like the members of the gay community who during June of last year decided they *really* didn't want to be prepresented by pedos? I respect that take.
@@edersonnico to an extent, yes, but their depiction in TTRPGS is a far cry from folkloric depictions, and in this context they are very often presented as full cultures with societies and all that comes with. Whenever this is the case, whether a writer intends it or not, they will be modeling this culture from a real world human culture because we don't really have anything else to go off of.
@@tmlforsyth According to the lore Idris made them, but Hel was the one to truly give them purpose. Hel recognized their potential rather than just the army of a petulant minor immortal
Oh, gosh... Mr. Glen. I appreciate the effort, but your Spanish accent is almost unintelligible. I'm sure there are plenty of native speakers willing to give you a couple lessons.
I mean, I don't know how much anger there's been over the "new" orcs, everyone I've seen is laughing.
Oh, the usual fake outrage at anything that's not exactly what Tolkien or Burrows would write.
@@z2ei the hate click channels did a whole cycle on it. I was coming from the other direction, I was accustomed to real world cultures in the game. My issue was the people that weren't until they had to defend it.
Most are laughing, I heard it from 4chan when it dropped and all they did was laugh about it. I would say it was met at best with a shrug and a laugh. I myself made the leaps of logic from them to wait we now have pistols to wait do we now have dnd deadlands.
I just think the AI images that came after look cooler. Plus, they come off as more Bandito like than what Wizards has shown in their art.
Problem is, it's only hilarious until you realise these people are literally and completely dedicated to the extinction of humanity and decide to come for you next.
Looking forward to a remake of an old film but with a new twist: "The Good, the Bad, and the Orcs"
The Good, The Bad, and the Orcly?
10:35 - When they want tequila, they take the tequila. When they want the woman, they take the woman.
That was the tribe lead by the in-famous "El Guapo."
@@GR-pv5jx he is best known for his plethora of pinatas
@@GR-pv5jx'In-famous' you say? Well, that must mean that he is *more than famous* !
Are you a pirare in mexico?
WOTC: “a bunch of gender-special Twitter weirdos have to turn their heads and squint to find something offensive about Orcs…. I know, let’s base them off a real-world culture!”
Everybody who isn’t a terminal Redditor: “Bruh…”
Thankfully we get to pick who we game with at our tables.
I thought all those people were supposed to leave Twitter for good after the bad man Elon bought it and instituted that evil concept of free speech.
The trick is that now the twitter weirdos have switched and say this good now. I like the Mexican orcs (I'm Mexican) but my god this culture war nonsense is exhausting, I wish both of the crazy sides would just leave.
Honestly won't be surprised when the Twitter people switch on a dime when the book finally comes out and calls it cultural appropriation like as if this month's discourse didn't happen.
I'm old-fashioned for my orcs. I like them as an "Always Chaotic Evil" race. Every game needs some straight-up enemies you don't need to feel guilty about fighting. The Peter Jackson orcs are pretty much how I like them.
I use Goblins and Kobolds for it since players tend to underestimate them at first. Makes for a good dynamic akin to how exterminators feel about termites.
Everything's a real-world parallel for these people though. "Fighting Always Chaotic Evil races is problematic because we believe that X real world race is always chaotic evil, this is why we've imported them into your societies en-masse to destablilse you."
@@KopperNeoman FANTASTIC analogy!!! And then these same people break out the surprised Pikachu face when said groups end up rioting because they feel like they weren't allowed to commit ENOUGH crimes. See France and the Netherlands.
I like morally complex humanoid characters, so instead of orcs I swap em out for a homebrewed race of bio-mechanical necromancer constructs I call the Dreg, they don't speak, they are essentially function as hive of fleshwarping ants. Perfect cannon fodder for the wokespotters.
What I am trying to say is they are tyrannids or xenomorphs.
Orcs in my world are more akin to wood elves or nomadic tribes, Elves are more akin to the high elves and dark elves they use slaves and magic and generally the racial stereotype for them is elves are backstabbing greedy narcissists when in reality thats not entirely true as there is an elvish underclass of peasantry, dwarves were the people who refused to leave the laboratories and bunkers of the old world and they are very hermetic, they don't like the other races and both men and women grow beards.
I go for the first edition orcs, Lawful Evil…
Color me jaded; but if they are really bringing back Mystara, then I expect them to screw it up like they do nearly everything they touch. WOTC doesn’t seem to want to really devote much to anything other than the Forgotten Realms. But considering how big Mystara is, then there's no way it's coming out good. If they somehow pull it off, I’ll be happy to take back some of the things I’ve said about them. I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong and I’ll give them praise when they earn it. I just think it's just odd they chose the Krugel orcs out of all the possible options to choose from for hinting at re-doing Mystara.
They did it entirely by accident. They had no idea what the Krugel orcs were. Like when they included Strongheart and Mercion on the new PHB and didn't realize they are canon Mystara characters. It's just old content for them, they can't be bothered with context. I'm not optimistic, but I am amused when they claim to have meant to do just that all along.
@@Mr_Welch Please don't talk about Dark Sun around them, I don't want a
Thri-Kreen prom adventure.
Watching wotc accidentally remaking Mystara is really entertaining
The thugshaker cowboy all the way in the right part of the new orc picture makes me giggle everytime i see him lol 🤣
"Don’t ask to see their badges." 😅
Nor badgers, for that matter.
@@johnstuartkeller5244 fun fact the line we don't need no stinking badges is from blazing saddles. In treasure of the Sierra Madre he said we don't have to show you any badges.
Stay out of their apartment.
@@newtpondskipper but how else are we going to learn how to teach poodles to fly
Orcs, the horrific results of the foul union of Kermit the Frog and Miss Piggy 🐷 🐸
orcs adapting to imitate their successful adversaries is a fun and realistic idea. also a great conversation ender for anyone who points the fact out into their face, only to find their own face nailed to the village walls.
Badges. We don’t need no Stinking badges.
I’m now reminded of Elder Scroll’s interpretation of Orcs and how they gave them an overall “Asian” (Mongolian/Turkic, bits of bobs from all over) aesthetic while also sticking with the classic LOTR inspiration. The armour and clothing just look cool. Have to say however, I much prefer that aesthetic over Cowboy orcs.
Honestly my only issue is frankly the reason they did this borderline cultural appropriating change and that’s because a bunch of weirdos saw orcs as a negative black stereotype somehow, which only really tells me they themselves are the racists.
Beyond that, I’d have preferred they delve into more ancient South American culture and go Aztec Mayan with it, honestly orcs would rock the look, I mean think of how iconic still Ogre from Tekken 3 is, it works.
Exactly, but they cant do that because that'd be offensive, and saying that a humanoid race that can only be evil is"PrObLeMaTiC".
These people dont understand what a game is and just want some squeaky clean narrative with no conflict or to fuel their obsession with supposed moral ambiguity and subverting muh expectations.
@@TheeOK1 If nobody's evil then why am I playing? Who am I supposed to have a conflict with? At that point there literally is no point.
@@DolFan316 ???? Humana até not ALL evil, but can be enemies
What I've been thinking is that, to "avoid offending" one group, they've made a tone-deaf decision to model the orcs on a different (modern-day) stereotype instead - which could equally easily generate the same kind of comments (complaints?) as leaving them alone.
At least going for Aztec "look" (or some other similar option) would be chosing a no-longer-modern-day culture.
I was not aware that WoTC equated orcs with black people. Did they really do that?
I like the idea of the orcs having different animal attributes depending on the region and culture. It certainly sets them apart from the other versions roaming around the ttrpg sphere. An 8ft tall muscular otter headed creature with an axe is definitely something to run away from.
Past: "Kill! Loot! Women!"
Present: "Por favor, tienes un trabajo para mi? Mi hija es pequena y tiene mucho hambre..."
I played "shadow over mystara" and I saw goblins, kobolds, knolls, drows, but never an orc.
This is unironically a better take on diverse orcs than the mainstream has ever done
Hey Mr. Welch, great video as always. Love the Kara-Kara, you want a different Orc, the Kara-Kara are the way to go! Their ancestral chant gives them 3 temporary hit points and doubles there proficiency bonus with the intimidate skill. What good is intimidation? It causes the frightened condition. The sharktooth sword they have gives the wielder advantage on intimidate checks. The spells the witch doctor has are cleric spells. So cause fear and dust devil are no longer on the cleric spells list. I just call them island spell. A lot of this module is fear based. Tapu means Island God, a name given for the living God (hog man). I even came up with a beautiful description for their wooden scale mail. I did a lot of reading on the Kara-Kara and their abilities. Everything I found was from D&D not a homebrew.
Thanks Mr. Welch you have a wonderful day!
Lets be honest. If WotC released *The* *3* *Amigo's* as an adventure to protect a village against Orcs from Mystara's Hollow World, would that not that be cool? It's a classic adventuring tale, but this time our adventure's are all actors *pretending* to be adventurers without giving the game away. I have full confidence they wouldn't make it *good*, but I'm sure Mr Welch could do a video on it to make it fun and...coherent.
Come to think of it, coherency seems to be WotC's weak point. 5th Ed lacks coherency rules.
It depends on who does it
It would fit much more naturally into the Savage Baronies/Red Steel. I prefer the Hollow World in general as a setting, because it's such an interesting world idea and full of so much Mystara lore and history, but the Savage Coast is the setting for all things Latin American.
Orcs have many lairs.
Like an onion.
🌰
Lairs or layers? Yes.
@@newtpondskipper Exactly 😁
WotC say8ng that they do not are Racists but they do Racist actions
With the description given in the OD&D book I’m surprised more people don’t take advantage of it and seriously make some evil beasties like in Dr. Moreau. The description doesn’t say one type of beast.
That's why Mystara has beastmen...
Always liked the Orcs from Heroes of Might and Magic 2.
They look like Pigs with crossbows.
Wotc dnd isn't dnd. The osr is the real dnd.
Yes! The Golden Khan! Looking forward to next week!
I'm of the mind that non-evil Orcs should not be black-coded, Latino-coded, white-coded or race-coded, but "Mike Fink, King of the River"-coded.
"WELL BOYS, HOPE THEY DON'T RUN OUTTA MONONGAHELA RED EYE _THIS_ TIME! HAHAHAHAHAHA!"
All orcs should be British Football Hooligan coded, it just makes sense
@@anexistanthuman2435 All fantasy races should be coded based on various types of Englishmen; like Halflings being country bumpkins, Elves being posh twats and Orcs being the violent scum class. Also Dorf is Norf, simple as an' I tha don' like it then tha know where door is.
@@anexistanthuman2435 Already taken.
Ahhh Mystara is such a melting pot of civilizations. I'm surprised WoTC didn't go with Viking Orcs or Greeks.
Is Pinball Wizard better as a Location-Based Adventure or an Event-Based Adventure?
As the adventure is going to go from Soho down to Brighton, I would say Location based.
To serve a cruel master in service to a higher goal can only court tragedy.
Orcus Porkus? Upvote for that alone. That's going to stick in my mind for a while. Edit: So the the ideologues accidentally ripped of Mystra or made a tribute to it? Also Mister Welch, the reason people got so pissy is because these people act in bad faith so many times that anything they do is automatically... and just saw more of the video... I really need to comment AFTER I watch the full video and not in the moment. Ah well, at least you know I'm excited to hear from you. Oh by the way. I do have a question for you, unrelated to the video. But your massive list of rules... they seem to imply you play a great deal more than you DM or do you DM at all? Or do I seriously need to look through your backlog of videos before asking stupid questions?
It's thirty years of playing, back when you could find games much easier. I still play as much as I can, but for the more obscure games I have to be the DM now.
@@Mr_Welch Orcus Porcus: Thyatian Rant at its worst 🙃
Ever notice that whenever someone tries to make a "good" version of a traditionally evil fantasy race (orcs, goblins, etc.) they always try to make them cute or hot? As if to say that people who are "ugly" can't be good.
@@alexanderchippel then explain Steve Buscemi
@@Mr_Welch That's my point. He looks like a villain but he's a volunteer firefighter and apparently a really great guy to work with. Yet if he was a D&D character, they'd probably change the way he looks. Ugly orcs and goblins can still be "good" if that's what you want to do. They need to stop equating "attractive" with "moral."
Lord of the rings orcs and Warhammer orcs are clearly British, this was pointed by my British friend, with Warhammer it is obvious, but I can’t say he is wrong about others
Very good never apologize
Apologizing to the w**e mob is literally the worst thing to do since it only makes them come at that person even harder. The best strategy is the Joe Rogan approach of just riding it out until they find something else to ree at the sky about next month like they always do.
I just started making orcs with Speedy Gonzales accents. The more DnD tries to be woke, the more jacked up I make my game.
Orc Lives Matter
8:45 The classics will always be the way I see the Kara Kara. Sorry dude. Yours are too formidable looking for 2 HD creatures. Plus, screw 'em. They don't like tropical themed Orcs, they don't have to use them. Doesn't mean the Orcs are the one's that have to change.
I am just distrustful of WotC's new orcs because they're overly "pretty", and I am always wary of the dreaded WoW-influence.
Just remember that orcs are so cool that not even WotC can ruin them.
When will there be more Alphatian videos?
I would have to look at the list of scheduled videos. I space them out so I'm not talking about one topic too many times in a short period. Learned my lesson doing that
I’m confused is Mystara finally coming back officially? If so I hope they bring back Lupins!!!!!!!!
@@kevinneroza8439 probably not. But they have made multiple references to it in recent weeks. Even including it in the D&D World book well at the same time excluding other settings.
@@Mr_Welch It annoys me that they haven’t brought back Lupins still we have cat people why not canine people?! Plus weren’t Lupins a race from and in the world of Mystara?
@@kevinneroza8439 Yes they were. They were the goodest boys. But they weren't deemed important enough to steal and put in the forgotten realms like the tortles
so its true ... damn!
Boa Tarde! Me Amiga! --Nerevar
Huzzah
Maybe they will us a Princess Zargala from Raid Shadow Legends. Or maybe a Paula Patton.
Orcs come from Roman mythology it was a curse by Orcus for doing bad things to corpses.
There's various origin stories now. That makes sense, then there's this new garbage that's hilarious!
Los Orcs 😂
I'm a leftist who enjoys fantasy ttrpgs and I know a lot of people will say it's people like myself who are to blame for things wotc is doing but like... I'm just as baffled and bemused by their choices as the next person, so it ain't really for us either. Literally every culture depicted in any fantasy you or I could think of is based, to a greater or lesser extent, on real world cultures, and this can be done in bad taste, obviously, but you've got a company with people who don't actually care about misrepresenting cultures at all, and just thinks their surface level analysis (ie sales and market analysis) tells them: people more concerned with respectful representation = change a bunch of stuff to make it as generic (so, ironically euro-centric, because western culture is what we consider to be generic) as possible, or.... you get what they've done with orcs now, which is, even for them, quite baffling. IDK, I never really bought their products after 4e came out and nowadays I run games like Shadowdark, BECMI, Call of Cthulhu, anything newer than 3.5 is off my radar for the most part, I just keep seeing stuff about the orcs so that made it on.
So you're like the members of the gay community who during June of last year decided they *really* didn't want to be prepresented by pedos? I respect that take.
Orcs, Elves, Dwarves and Gnomes are based in mythologies and folklores instead of actual cultures.
@@edersonnico to an extent, yes, but their depiction in TTRPGS is a far cry from folkloric depictions, and in this context they are very often presented as full cultures with societies and all that comes with. Whenever this is the case, whether a writer intends it or not, they will be modeling this culture from a real world human culture because we don't really have anything else to go off of.
@@edersonnico and those mythic stories and folklore are themselves a product of real world cultures.
@@edersonnicodwarves are usually very strongly based on Vikings woth hints of Scotland.
Give em hell, Sir
I thought Hel made the Beastmen
@@tmlforsyth According to the lore Idris made them, but Hel was the one to truly give them purpose. Hel recognized their potential rather than just the army of a petulant minor immortal
what a weird campaign setting, i will certainly never play nor host a game in this!
So orcs act like half-orcs. Fine I guess.
I love Mexican orcs. I 100% approve of this. Yes please
Ive only ever thought of orcs through the tolkien lens
All this variation is so awesome lol
Oh, gosh... Mr. Glen. I appreciate the effort, but your Spanish accent is almost unintelligible. I'm sure there are plenty of native speakers willing to give you a couple lessons.
@@rosskwolfe it's a tex mex blend.
@@Mr_Welch Tex Mex is where you pronounce all of the spanish words as if they were English words while on Vacation in Tijuana.
My Swanglish (Swedish/Spanish) is atrocious!
Personally I like the "orcs as sentient plants" origin story Warhammer 40K came up with. Plants don't have culture, right?
@@DolFan316 Jason and the wheeled warriors went disagree
The Orks are an interesting case cause they are based on a real life subculture - UK football hooligans and skinheads.
@@harmonlanager2670 Boy racers too, and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a bit of the Del Boy style wheeler dealer in there too.
Rex Orcus: when u have trademark problems with the word "orog" 😂