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as a 3.5e player the reason he has natural attacks and such high strength is because half-fiend was a template that could be added to creatures or characters that always gave them a pair of claws and a bite as well as a large boost in strength.
MrRhexx what would happen if a dragon somehow was infected by a vampire? I'm curious because dragons grow stronger with time and nobody has made a video talking about this.
You americans have no idea of how popular this cartoon is here in Brazil, probably because It was still being aired in the 2000s. Everyone will know Venger around these lands If you mention him, It's a big part of everybody's childhoods. Thanks for giving the guy some love, you don't hear about him these days.
Some of us have seen the Renault commercial, which is a pretty good indication. Sincere question: since the rest of your continent speaks Spanish (aside from your three tiny neighbors to the north), is Spanish commonly taught in your schools? (It certainly is in California.)
@@tomkerruish2982No reason to learn Spanish, both languages are largely intelligible with a little effort and teaching foreign languages has never been a priority in the school system, which frankly struggles to teach our native language on the public system. If kids learn a secondary language in school it's almost always English
@@bcodero6713 That's the funny part, they never air the final episode of shows, It always flips back to the start right before It. Without the internet we would never know lmao, same goes for Everybody Hates Chris, My Wife and Kids and The Fresh Prince of Bel-air, and any other shows that are kept on a loop for decades.
As a Brazilian, every Brazilian with age between 30 and 60 knows Venger (Vingador in Brazilian portuguese). This cartoons was huge in Brazil. And still is.
I've heard about how popular the show is in Brazil. a Buddy of mind is from Brazil and when he found out I had been playing D&D for 40 years he asked if I ever saw the show. of course I had. I had been playing since before the show came out. So of course I watched it.
Sounds like "the Realm" is a domain of dread. "You have godlike powers, but your son is corrupted by absolute evil, and your powers don't work on him. Also Tiamat and Llolth are gonna show up every once in a while to torture you all. Random children will be drawn to your realm, you can use your godlike powers to equip them, then watch your son torment and kill them, for eternity where neither of you can die."
I would like to see a reboot of this concept, but better written and in live-action. However, the cartoon has some very serious problems with it that should not be repeated. Thus, blindly copying the cartoon again would simply repeat those mistakes.
First off, I knew who Venger was before I ever understood what D&D was. Second, OMG, they are bringing him back after like 30 years to give him a spot light.~ This just brings me so much joy.~
Same here! Saw the cartoon almost 10 years before I even played the game and several years before I even knew what dnd was. I even had a toy of Tiamat from this show before I had ever seen the show. When I watched the show as a kid I didn’t even know there was a game.
I decided a long while ago that "The Realm" is a demi-plane. Which explains how so many people and creatures can come and go between it and many other worlds yet no one can leave that the demi-plane wants to keep. They couldn't go home because Dungeon Master needed them there. Which is why he pulled them into his demi-plane to begin with.
@@jacintacapelety9600 Yep. The really interesting thing is the presence of Tiamat. She only has/had two avatars which limits where it could be connected to either Dragon Eyrie or Avernus. Crackpot theory but I think it was created by Dungeon Master and Tiamat entered it while trying to make her own demi-plane from Avernus so that she could have a domain away from the eyes of Asmodeus and ended up catching the attention of The Nameless One.
Maybe created by the Dungeon Master to contain the influence of the Nameless One? Or something set up like a sort of drain catch at a weak point in the fabric of the multiverse, to catch beings trying to travel to new planes? Might explain why Tiamat and an avatar of Lolth are there
That would actually make a ton of sense. If so then would the Dungeon Master maybe be a guardian that's been appointed by The Realm's creator? If so that could explain why he has such odd restrictions on his powers.
Venger once shapeshifted into a pantsless halfling and had the children follow him up a mountain. First villain to have the heroes look at his naked ass for hours.
The D&D cartoon actually introduced me to the world of RPG back in the day. Interesting fact: in Brazil Tiamat is voiced as a male. So I spent the majority of my teen years thinking the queen of dragons was a king. Venger is translated as Vingador (or Avenger in english), and I always got confused as to why or what he is avenging. Good times.
The nameless evil he serves is very similar to Gygax's original concept for Tharizdun, a being who aspired to rule the multiverse as the Emperor of Evil
@martinv5538 well , he is the emperor of evil. He was defeated in an earlier age and locked into a prison bound by three keys, each representing an alignment of evil, and each being a very powerful artifact. Once the keys are brought together, he would be freed. In the gord the rogue books, a key is discovered. This starts a chain of events that leads to war across the cosmos as various powers fight over the artifacts. The powers of good and balance align with chaotic evil, because chaotic evil does not want to release tharizdun and are, ironically the only ones who can be trusted to keep the keys, as they are already evil and corrupt and thier chaotic nature will prevent any one demon from unifying the keys. Tharizdun is the most powerful entity, possibly only truly matched by the All and Nothing, Lord of Entropy, and the masters of time and necessity.
The D&D cartoon was REALLY famous here in Brazil, probally because it was one of the only fantasy-themed cartoons that aired for a long time. I will forever cherish it Forgot to mention, it was mostly famous in the 90's but was still aired every morning when i was a kid (the 2000's) up until around.....let's say 2012. A shame really, it should've kept going. Nowadays kids have no clue what D&D is and that's sad
It's definitely canon that venger is ultimately redeemed and reunited with his father. Also the coolest thing in that show was the music. Totally pulled me in as a child.
A lot of people think that the movie Dungeons & Dragons Honor Among Thieves is the first D&D media that the D&D cartoon show protagonists Hank, Eric, Presto, Diana, Shiela and Bobby have appeared in since the cancellation of the show, but the truth is, they appeared in a single D&D comic book published by TSR, Inc in January 1996 called "The Grand Tour", and in that comic book, Presto is taken on a brief time travelling tour with Elminster Aumar. And in the game Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn, there are some portraits of the kids somewhere in Waukeen's Promenade in Athkatla that hint that the artist of the portraits believe that they have been killed by the Forgotten Realms variant of Tiamat. Since they appear in Honor Among Thieves, which is set in the same decade as Baldur's Gate 3 and more than 100 years after The Grand Tour and Baldur's Gate 2, it's obvious now that they are still alive, and most likely used a time travel spell Presto learned from Elminster to escape Tiamat.
In BG2 they appear in a picture hung in the Adventure Mart, an adventuring store located just a little southwest from Irenicus's dungeon where the PC emerges into Waukeen's Promenade in the Amnian city of Athkatla right in the beginning of the game.
Even though the cartoon aired on TV in my country, I didn't know a spec about DnD. I don't even remember how old I was, only is that it was on somewhere between 1995 and 1998. Couldn't get on time to properly watch, so the plot always eluded me, but for some reason Venger's design really stood out to me to the point that I was able to remember his bloody name throughout the years without really knowing anything else about him. My jaw literally dropped when I saw him on the cover of a new book, and I was like "No fucking way they're bringing him into the game!". I never saw that Warduke guy (probably because I couldn't watch the show consistently), so I thought this was some sort of a generic death knight guy with some cool visuals. Honestly, I don't mind such a "lift". Even if he ends up being different, I feel that his concept is so old it wouldn't really hurt.
I thought that maybe it was something like Chthulhu: Something utterly alien by the standards of both the Realms and Earth, not precisely Evil, but certainly Not Good, and absolutely Unnatural.
Funny thing about the arcane fire being eldritch blast: when d&d 5e got a finish version they called eldritch blast velhotuli whitch means wizard flame and there is no direct translation for arcane in finish so they most likely directly translated arcane fire into the eldritch blast of finish version of d&d 5e
@@estebanrodriguez5409 I think he stated in a video that the generic bestiaries are global rules that apply to any world/realm, so valid for Toril too.
@@Genghis_Sean Sure, but it wasn't an official setting until much much later. Greyhawk and Mystara (Karameikos) was older. And even older was just Blackmoor.
@@billmcdonald5063 yeah, it does. It's just a joke that became popular in Brazil, where the cartoon was very popular among people who mostly didn't know it was related to D&D
MrRhexx talking about a mad villain destroying a world and leaving the conquered regions barren and razed: *Happy voice* MrRhexx talking about something even remotely real-world and political even though it's literally time-shenanigans with Nazis: *Extremely uncomfortable*
Vengers ability to avoid death is a series of contingency spells, that triggers a dimensional door, or gaseous form spell. Also Dungeon Master is a Temporal Immortal of the Sphere of Matter. The Realm is his Home Plane. The Nameless One is a powerful Entropic Immortal of the Eternal Rank. A being of enough personal power to be able to kill Dungeon Master on his own home plane. It fits.
Dungeon Master could also be Bahamut. The kids weapons come from the Dragon Graveyard, meaning he has access to a place that otherwise only Tiamat can get to. And when the kids want to team up with Tiamat, he is clearly heartbroken.
"If their *parents* watched cartoons back in the 80s" Sir, I do not know why you made this unprovoked attack on me, but I now need to roll 3d10 psychic damage. Right after I take some ibuprofin for my back... Jokes aside, good video! I loved this cartoon as a kid, even had the Tiamat toy they released for it, even though I wouldn't actually play D&D until 35 years later. Maybe we can talk WotC into an X-Men'97-esque revival for it.
Venger's 3e stat block has edition-specific reasons for its eccentricities. 3e was interested in a form of balance wich had the monsters and the player characters built using the same rules, thus making all monsters potentially playable. Venger is canonically a half-fiend (as a consequence of his dark bargain). Half-fiend is a "template", a 3e mechanic where you overlay a fixed set of abilities onto an existing creature. Half-fiend adds bite and claw attacks, thus Venger has them. Arcane Fire is a class feature for Venger's prestige class: Archmage. Prestige classes were character classes which could not be taken at 1st level and did not go all the way to 20th level. To enter a prestige class, a character would have to first meet specified requirements such as having certain skills or feats. Although the Warlock was introduced more than a year before the ASH, it was considered an underpowered class in its initial form. It, ironically, gained a cult popularity later because of its evocative lore. Wizards probably wanted to stick to core rulebook material for the ASH splat book. Instead of a sorcerous half-fiend, the better 3e build for Venter would have been Warlock / Acolyte of the Skin (both from Complete Arcane).
So cool! One of my favorites! He seems like a half-fiend Sorlock. He's the Dungeon Master's son so he seems to have some sort of magical heritage. Warduke is really cool also. Thanks!
Well you did it. I had ABSOLUTELY NO KNOWLEDGE of this character before this video. I used to read the Dragonomicon and the Encyclopedia Magica for fun and yet I've never heard of Venger.
The kids showed up in the Dungeons and Dragons Honor among Thieves, in the Waterdeep labyrinth. Also the Dragon Graveyard happens to be in Faerun its called by the locals The Well of Dragons, if I remember right its along the the northeast edge of the Sunset mountains.
@@johnweatherman5685 Nine Hells/Baator, not the Abyss (unless something *massively* changed in later editions, most of what I know of lore is way back from 2nd Ed). She's always been aligned with Devils/baatezu, not Demons/tanar'ri. Tiamat was the Lord (Lady?) of Avernus, first layer of Hell, and later relegated to the position as the "watchdog" of the portal between Avernus and Dis, when Bel ousted her from the position as Lord of Avernus.
That cartoon was really popular in Brasil even in the early 2000, i knew Venger waaaaaay before i discovered the D&D game. Was really excited to see him as the art of the new book.
Small knick-pick; Tiamat is the Goddess of EVIL Dragons! So your argument that she is a force of Nature and Neutrality holds no water at all. Nice video essay on Venger, brought back memories of Saturday morning cartoons! I actually had the Knight and War Duke action figures a a kid. Good times!
A last point. Even if the kids suceeding to turn Venger human was canon, there are still villains to fight. Tiamat isn't just Venger's enemy, but is also extremely hostile to the kids, and pretty much everything and everyone else. She attacks indiscrimiately without cause or provocation. There's also Venger's minions in the Underdark. They are in no way faithful to him and only serve under duress. In fact, some dvergar openly challenge Venger when The Nameless One forces Venger, Dungeon Master, and the kids to retreat to the Underdark, and it's only because Venger was able to intimidate them that they complied with his will. I could go on, but yes, there's still plenty of story to tell even if Venger was redeemed or permanently killed off in some way.
And I feel old. "Maybe, if their parents liked cartoons..."; that wad me. I watched this cartoon, back in the 80s. 😊 And thank you, Peter Cullen, for providing yet another voice to my childhood. Till all are one! Yeah, Venger was an interesting character, and once I started actually playing D&D, in the late 90s, and then DMing, in 2002, it was weird trying to figure out "what is Venger?"
Cancelled too soon, and I wasn't even born when it came out. I would like to see it get a reboot and if you look then you can find the unfinished script of episode 28.
@@turtleinvader2982 The dvd set released a while back has a sort of audio drama version of what was *meant* to be the last episode and man. It would have *rocked* to see animated.
Epic! I'm so glad he's returning to the game. But I must say this... FOR KIDS?!? I'm 52 years old and go through this entire series at least once a year. Love this show! 😍❤😍
The adventure in this edition could be an opportunity to get those teenagers back home. I wonder if they would recognize their world if they had not aged and they arrived in the 2020s.
Art of them in player's handbook seems to suggest they grew up, Uni the Unicorn is implied to have died ( and Eric the Cavalier and Sheila are missing. On ENWorld people joked redhead on the cover of new player's handbook looks like their kid on a quest to bring back prince Valiant haircut....or like if Sheila murdered Eric and stole his gear. However, there are also IDW comics with these same characters, where they're still teenagers but they hopped on a Spelljammer and ended in Forgotten Realms. Forgotten Realms wiki even says Presto is being tutored under Elminster, I guess because he was deemed too much of a danger to himself and his surrounding to be allowed to roam free.
A sequel with a group of current day teenagers would be fun. The basic lore already exists just need new heroes and the show practically writes itself.
During 1980s, oh yeah, Venger was iconic !!! Fun fact about the 1980s cartoon = it featured new character classes, subclasses, etc that were not yet released officially until slightly later into the next seasons of the show
Hmmm... - The kids were sucked into the world against their will, through an almost mist-like portal - Made a deal with an unknown being - Became utterly corrupt and inhuman on gaining his power - Unable to leave his plane - Cannot be killed as he always returns a few days later - Cannot ever seem to achieve what it is he wants to achieve... I posit, that Venger is, in fact, a Dark Lord and the series is set in the Domains of Dread. The D&D cartoon is Ravenloft!
MrRhexx: Dude, check the 25:48 moment of your video. Venger gets "defeated" by freeing his inner good scene. His clothes remain intact and his fiend/imp traits vanish. The horn vanishes. The horn is not a part of his clothes. You are welcome.
I was so surprised to see this guy as on the cover in this vid, my brain took a few seconds to remember where he's from. Couldn't believe it. Anyways, this is awesome
Venger was the coolest villain ever. I loved watching the dnd cartoon and he was hands down my favorite villain. He was really the first character I decided to research and stuff. The cartoon never gave a good ending to the series and I wanted to know how it was to end
I loved the dungeons and dragons cartoon as a kid. My parents had got the box set because they watched it as kids and like many 80s show they wanted me and my siblings to watch it, too. Needless to say, my favorite characters were Bobby and Uni...mostly because I love unicorns and I thought Bobby was just the sweetest kid.
I saw Venger in one of the missions in Idle Champions game, some time last week I noticed it, and was thinking how weird name it is and where it comes from. Huh, so it's from the same cartoon as Presto, Dungeon Master et al. The cartoon never aired where I'm from, and I started playing D&D in my thirties, so all this lore is quite new to me.
The Heroes of the cartoon also made a cameo in the latest D&D movie, when they are fighting the displacer beast in the arena. The last episode of the cartoon never aired so no one knows if our intrepid heroes ever made they way back home to our normal 1980s world and the fandom (largely from Brazil) always speculated that they might have been dead all along and "The Realm" was some sort of afterlife. In the cameo, they get trapped in a cage and Harper guy says "Forget about them, everyone inside of that cage is dead!". I think that was the coolest little detail ever and seems to support the theory that they were, in fact, dead all along.
So-- Night-Mare name is Night-Mare, and might not actually bet a Nightmare. He's a flying black horse creature that shoots fire- Nightmares dont shoot fire normally? But more importantly- this was mentioned a year ago by Chris Perkins in a D&D video but it was also talked about on some forums that seem to be gone now. I tried the wayback machine but I cant find it. I know the 3.5 book just calls it a Nightmare though. Also, Warduke was in Wild beyond the witchlight as well as the evil Wizard Kelek. Also- what do you mean your parents might know? I used to watch the show. . . oh god- I- I'm old...
Since watching the cartoon as a child I always ask the DM to give me a golden grimoire when I play as wizard. It's a good way to judge the culture of them based in their initial reaction alone from hearing "Golden Grimoire".
1:43 the DM grants them each a legendary weapon that allows them to go 1 v 1 w/ effing Tiamat, Lolth, Skeletal warriors; the things the kids from a damn carnival had to face *and beat* were astounding. OK, they always tied w/ Tiamat until they faced her in Avernus where the same weapons had even greater power. loved that show.
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In Brazil he are called basic the same, the Dungeon Master is called "Master of the Mages" and the show are Called "In the Dragon's Cave". Edit: The name was wrong, fixed. Childhood memories (here the show was on air in 90's). Good times.
I don't have any issues with is strength being 18. He's like 8 feet tall, and though he's grappled by that giant, Venger is a magical AND physical powerhouse in the show. Unless my memory is faulty, he tosses most people around with zero effort.
Given that Venger is half Fiend and half Sorceror, and that Dungeon Master claimed that Venger was his son, I always wondered what thicc succubus DM had knocked boots with. Thanks for clearing up my misconception. Wait,The Nameless One?! From Planescape:Torment?!
Venger was shown to be able to control evil dragons below a certain power level, his powers are standard demigod level pretty much like Strahd however one wonders if they would be maintained outside the Realm and entering other worlds as a demigod is sometimes problematic. The question of course is who is his mama. We speculated it was Tiamat but no real answers ever given- (We asked!) Dungeon Master's powers/limitations were based on cause and effect-- if you brought water to a desert then a desert would be created elsewhere. No free lunch. Notice everyone in the Realm knew Dungeon Master
Well, in the DnD movie, on the floor of the High Sun games, the third team is the original characters of the 1980s cartoon. Maybe Venger was there too. ☺️
Given my country has always had a tendency to have its modern TV be whatever was modern 20 years back in America, I actually watched that one when growing up - not on par with Tom and Jerry and the like, but damn, this brings back memories. I didn't even know what was DnD for over 10 years after watching it, and I'd have not realized it was related - or maybe even remembered it - if not for your video, amusingly enough. It was the light arrow bow that I probably remembered most from the show. :D
19:17 The Dundeon Master's ultimate power is Fun. "The Nameless One" has a name, it's "That Guy." You know, the player that ruins everyone else's good time and makes the DM rage quit. 😅
When I saw the kids from the cartoon in the recent dnd movie I was so hyped up. When I saw Venger on the new dmg, I cracked up 😂. Watched this show in the 90s before I ever played dnd in the first place. Its fun that wizards is bringing these characters back, and I would be very interested to know why.
We always had Venger's Horn as a mighty artifact, capable of "demonic, ungodly things". Down here, it was the macguffin for more than one game back in the 80s. I had +5studded, +3 sun sword etc, even went up against the kids from the cartoon for a couple of sessions, racing them to some ancient monastery burial place... but we never found the horn
They do also have images depicting the protagonists of the show in PHB, if I'm not mistaken. It's likely just a throwback for nostalgia, but if they do add a Venger statblock, the 5e equivalent of his "arcane fire" will likely be "arcane burst." They have begun to give some version of that to a majority Spellcasting NPCs as their basic spell attack... and it does pretty much function as an Eldritch Blast for NPC spellcasters.
omg i didn't knew that this show was actually made by dnd. Here in Brazil it's name was '' Dragon's cave '' and the dungeon master was '' Lord of mages '' ( in my language it means that he is the highest of all mages )
On the topic of the cartoon characters being able to enter the Forgotten Realms, it's quite possible that according to WotC's current canon, they are already there. The party from the DnD cartoon makes an appearance in Honor Among Theives as one of the other groups in the High Sun Games.
The kids have been in the Forgotten Realms campaign setting since 2nd Edition. In a single comic book called "Grand Tour of the Realms", which reveals the kids have grown a few years older (Bobby the barbarian is in his pre-teens in that comic book), Presto gets taken on a time traveling tour with Elminster hoping he would teach them how to get back to Earth. And in the video game Baldur's Gate 2 Shadows of Amn, there are portraits of the Hank, Eric and Presto that can be found in Waukeen's Promenade, and the portraits reveal that Hank, Eric, Bobby, Presto, Sheila and Diana were recently killed by the Forgotten Realms variant of Tiamat. As you already may know, that turned out to be false, the kids are still alive, AND MORE THAN 100 YEARS LATER INTO THE SAME ERA AS BALDUR'S GATE 3 AND THE MOVIE "HONOR AMONG THIEVES". How is that possible? Recall that Presto learned how to time travel from Elminster. He likely uses that spell to help him and his friends escape from Tiamat into the future, into the 5th Edition era, which would explain why everyone acquainted with them in the 2nd Edition time frame think they are dead.
To understand why he is a Sorcerers, I ponder this question: Does a Patron Channel magic through him? Some people can have magical potential unlocked by a greater being, and from that point forward have that ability regardless of what they do. Even if they where to turn against the principles of the creature that unlocked that magical potential, used it directly against them, there is no punishment to be had. Warlocks whom go against their patron quickly find themselves in a dire position, sort of like Paladins, Clerics and other classes that use a Deity of some sort.
I didn't realize how bleak the D&D cartoon's world was. Sure, the kids' interactions with anyone or anything that wasn't trying to kill them was actually pretty rare, but I just assumed they were outside the boundaries of that world's civilization because the Dungeon Master was directing them that way. Not, ya'know, that the world is mostly dead and filled with almost nothing but monsters.
Seems like “the realm” has a potential fit as a Demi plane of dread, similar to ravenloft. Where you are invited in for a need, the big bad(s) make the rules and you can’t leave until they are dealt with.
I'm 26, and this cartoon was part of my childhood here in Brazil. It is very loved here, and it's a source of various memes. fun fact: Venger has a horse that he uses when flying, but the guy has wings and the horse doesn't, so it's a common joke that the guy is actually holding his horse up with his legs
I always figured Tiamat, given she is present over many universes has a brief with 'evil' (Venger's master the 'Nameless One'). Whilst Venger might be a CR 12 to 20 creature, Tiamat is a CR 25 plus creature.
Something to think about in regards to Tiamat that also comes up in Eve of Ruin. She might be evil, and downright hateful, but she created the world with Bahamut. It is here creation just as much as it was his. And she'll be damned again if she lets some upstart lich or demi-fiend destroy it and will gladly side with the forces of good to save her world. It is hers, it is her hoard. She's 1/5th Blue Dragon after all :3
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as a 3.5e player the reason he has natural attacks and such high strength is because half-fiend was a template that could be added to creatures or characters that always gave them a pair of claws and a bite as well as a large boost in strength.
Great video as always. This guy honestly sounds like a dungeons & dragons version of Loki
MrRhexx what would happen if a dragon somehow was infected by a vampire? I'm curious because dragons grow stronger with time and nobody has made a video talking about this.
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You americans have no idea of how popular this cartoon is here in Brazil, probably because It was still being aired in the 2000s. Everyone will know Venger around these lands If you mention him, It's a big part of everybody's childhoods. Thanks for giving the guy some love, you don't hear about him these days.
Some of us have seen the Renault commercial, which is a pretty good indication.
Sincere question: since the rest of your continent speaks Spanish (aside from your three tiny neighbors to the north), is Spanish commonly taught in your schools? (It certainly is in California.)
@@tomkerruish2982No reason to learn Spanish, both languages are largely intelligible with a little effort and teaching foreign languages has never been a priority in the school system, which frankly struggles to teach our native language on the public system. If kids learn a secondary language in school it's almost always English
Yes, but almost no one learns it. Just an easy class. @tomkerruish2982
Have you watched the final episode where they get to go home?
@@bcodero6713 That's the funny part, they never air the final episode of shows, It always flips back to the start right before It. Without the internet we would never know lmao, same goes for Everybody Hates Chris, My Wife and Kids and The Fresh Prince of Bel-air, and any other shows that are kept on a loop for decades.
As a Brazilian, every Brazilian with age between 30 and 60 knows Venger (Vingador in Brazilian portuguese). This cartoons was huge in Brazil. And still is.
many from 25+ do too, all my homies know venger and the gang
I actually remember it as Vejur, not Venger.
I've heard about how popular the show is in Brazil. a Buddy of mind is from Brazil and when he found out I had been playing D&D for 40 years he asked if I ever saw the show. of course I had. I had been playing since before the show came out. So of course I watched it.
Brazilians are weird
20 you mean
As Eric asked "What does Venger even want? Another horn for his helmet?"
Some DM somewhere is writing this down, lol.
Fun fact, you can actually find out. There was suppose to be a final episode. Someone restored it.
@@RachDarastrix2 Yeah. It's really well done given the constraints.
Requiem❤️
lol, classic.
Funny thing. In my country, the cartoon's title was translated as "Dragon's Cave". I went on for years without knowing it had anything to do with D&D.
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boy, eu só lembrei do nosso queridissimo Orlando Drummond vendo aquela capa. que Deus o tenha.
@@Vykerocha Todos sentimos falta do Drummond. Ele deixou nosso plano de existencia cedo demais...
Bom e velho vingador
Sounds like "the Realm" is a domain of dread. "You have godlike powers, but your son is corrupted by absolute evil, and your powers don't work on him. Also Tiamat and Llolth are gonna show up every once in a while to torture you all. Random children will be drawn to your realm, you can use your godlike powers to equip them, then watch your son torment and kill them, for eternity where neither of you can die."
I would like to see a reboot of this concept, but better written and in live-action. However, the cartoon has some very serious problems with it that should not be repeated. Thus, blindly copying the cartoon again would simply repeat those mistakes.
It's basically "The Good Place" lol
I'd never viewed it this way, but you are not wrong!
@@whiskeyvictor5703 Not live action. Can we *please* stop ruining good shows by doing that? Animated is much better for DnD.
Woah, this is now a thing when I run dnd 😂 thanks for the idea my fellow ttrpg nerd 💜💯
First off, I knew who Venger was before I ever understood what D&D was. Second, OMG, they are bringing him back after like 30 years to give him a spot light.~ This just brings me so much joy.~
lets see.....
I never thought I would get to see him again, or ANYTHING from the old cartoons. Honestly very exciting to see if this goes anywhere!
Same here! Saw the cartoon almost 10 years before I even played the game and several years before I even knew what dnd was. I even had a toy of Tiamat from this show before I had ever seen the show. When I watched the show as a kid I didn’t even know there was a game.
Gen Z such as my brother dont know him, i think its more a zillenial milennial thing
@@J134757 Oh 100%
I decided a long while ago that "The Realm" is a demi-plane. Which explains how so many people and creatures can come and go between it and many other worlds yet no one can leave that the demi-plane wants to keep. They couldn't go home because Dungeon Master needed them there. Which is why he pulled them into his demi-plane to begin with.
So like a domain of dread.
@@jacintacapelety9600 Yep. The really interesting thing is the presence of Tiamat. She only has/had two avatars which limits where it could be connected to either Dragon Eyrie or Avernus. Crackpot theory but I think it was created by Dungeon Master and Tiamat entered it while trying to make her own demi-plane from Avernus so that she could have a domain away from the eyes of Asmodeus and ended up catching the attention of The Nameless One.
Maybe created by the Dungeon Master to contain the influence of the Nameless One? Or something set up like a sort of drain catch at a weak point in the fabric of the multiverse, to catch beings trying to travel to new planes? Might explain why Tiamat and an avatar of Lolth are there
That would actually make a ton of sense.
If so then would the Dungeon Master maybe be a guardian that's been appointed by The Realm's creator?
If so that could explain why he has such odd restrictions on his powers.
@@jacintacapelety9600 The domain of good. The anti-Ravenloft.
Venger once shapeshifted into a pantsless halfling and had the children follow him up a mountain. First villain to have the heroes look at his naked ass for hours.
Also do not forget that he also shape changed into Merlin to trick Presto.
good ole venger, he had wings AND a flying horse. i really liked his design and presence even as a kid.
of all the things I was expecting, Venger was NEVER one of them, and I feel happy I was corrected.
The D&D cartoon actually introduced me to the world of RPG back in the day.
Interesting fact: in Brazil Tiamat is voiced as a male. So I spent the majority of my teen years thinking the queen of dragons was a king. Venger is translated as Vingador (or Avenger in english), and I always got confused as to why or what he is avenging. Good times.
I thought it was fantastic when I was a kid and it came out.
Google translate does a solid job but these types of errors still occur.
I have friends from Japan who laugh at some of the translations for anime.
The nameless evil he serves is very similar to Gygax's original concept for Tharizdun, a being who aspired to rule the multiverse as the Emperor of Evil
I would love to hear more of this lore if you can provide it
@martinv5538 well , he is the emperor of evil. He was defeated in an earlier age and locked into a prison bound by three keys, each representing an alignment of evil, and each being a very powerful artifact. Once the keys are brought together, he would be freed. In the gord the rogue books, a key is discovered. This starts a chain of events that leads to war across the cosmos as various powers fight over the artifacts. The powers of good and balance align with chaotic evil, because chaotic evil does not want to release tharizdun and are, ironically the only ones who can be trusted to keep the keys, as they are already evil and corrupt and thier chaotic nature will prevent any one demon from unifying the keys.
Tharizdun is the most powerful entity, possibly only truly matched by the All and Nothing, Lord of Entropy, and the masters of time and necessity.
@temmy9 Tharizdun is honestly something beyond Godhood. I think more like a force of nature if that makes sense.
The D&D cartoon was REALLY famous here in Brazil, probally because it was one of the only fantasy-themed cartoons that aired for a long time. I will forever cherish it
Forgot to mention, it was mostly famous in the 90's but was still aired every morning when i was a kid (the 2000's) up until around.....let's say 2012. A shame really, it should've kept going. Nowadays kids have no clue what D&D is and that's sad
I remember the show well. Also loved Tiamet always made him run
"In the Dragons’ Graveyard, your weapons are stronger than … Venger."!
great episode!
No! Best episode!!!!!!
Thank you for doing this video. As a child of the 1980s, Venger was one of my favorite villains. This means a lot to me.
It's definitely canon that venger is ultimately redeemed and reunited with his father.
Also the coolest thing in that show was the music. Totally pulled me in as a child.
This animation is very famous in my country, even my mother who is an elderly woman has no idea what RPG is but she knows Venger
What country?
What are your country?
Deixa eu adivinhar brasileiro?
@@tbotboy1320 brazil
@@HappyCatholicDane brazil
Tiamat is moving up in the multiverse. She's free from the Nine Hells.
She heard Venger was making a move and needed to put a stop to that unicorn punk
@@commonviewer2488 Honestly, I very much want to see that brawl.
Wait she broke free? When did this happen?
She broke free???
A lot of people think that the movie Dungeons & Dragons Honor Among Thieves is the first D&D media that the D&D cartoon show protagonists Hank, Eric, Presto, Diana, Shiela and Bobby have appeared in since the cancellation of the show, but the truth is, they appeared in a single D&D comic book published by TSR, Inc in January 1996 called "The Grand Tour", and in that comic book, Presto is taken on a brief time travelling tour with Elminster Aumar. And in the game Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn, there are some portraits of the kids somewhere in Waukeen's Promenade in Athkatla that hint that the artist of the portraits believe that they have been killed by the Forgotten Realms variant of Tiamat. Since they appear in Honor Among Thieves, which is set in the same decade as Baldur's Gate 3 and more than 100 years after The Grand Tour and Baldur's Gate 2, it's obvious now that they are still alive, and most likely used a time travel spell Presto learned from Elminster to escape Tiamat.
In BG2 they appear in a picture hung in the Adventure Mart, an adventuring store located just a little southwest from Irenicus's dungeon where the PC emerges into Waukeen's Promenade in the Amnian city of Athkatla right in the beginning of the game.
Isn't it canon that they NEVER find a way home?
@@GornkJhonas Yes. They are a bit older now, Bobby isn't 9 years old anymore.
I'm an old codger (remember watching it in my youth as well 😅)
So now I know this was my first ever 'Isekai Anime', huh? 😄
They even got op stuff at level one
As a 90s kid from Brazil, I'm well acquainted with Venger! This show was repeated to exhaustion on open tv in the late 90s early 2000s 😂😂
I also like the idea that the reason Venger only has one horn is that his missing right horn represents the missing goodness in him
Even though the cartoon aired on TV in my country, I didn't know a spec about DnD. I don't even remember how old I was, only is that it was on somewhere between 1995 and 1998. Couldn't get on time to properly watch, so the plot always eluded me, but for some reason Venger's design really stood out to me to the point that I was able to remember his bloody name throughout the years without really knowing anything else about him.
My jaw literally dropped when I saw him on the cover of a new book, and I was like "No fucking way they're bringing him into the game!".
I never saw that Warduke guy (probably because I couldn't watch the show consistently), so I thought this was some sort of a generic death knight guy with some cool visuals.
Honestly, I don't mind such a "lift". Even if he ends up being different, I feel that his concept is so old it wouldn't really hurt.
Maybe the "unnamed one" is the force of Chaos, adding the final "force" into the universe from the D&D settings.
I thought that maybe it was something like Chthulhu: Something utterly alien by the standards of both the Realms and Earth, not precisely Evil, but certainly Not Good, and absolutely Unnatural.
He's maybe the one, who shall not be named ;)
Funny thing about the arcane fire being eldritch blast: when d&d 5e got a finish version they called eldritch blast velhotuli whitch means wizard flame and there is no direct translation for arcane in finish so they most likely directly translated arcane fire into the eldritch blast of finish version of d&d 5e
But there were already Eldritch blast back in 3.5 complete arcane handbook
Wait. Is this the first NON-Toril D&D lore that Rhexx has covered?!
No, he technically uses many older editions bestiaries for his videos
@@estebanrodriguez5409 I think he stated in a video that the generic bestiaries are global rules that apply to any world/realm, so valid for Toril too.
@@xtrem5428 they were made before the setting was a thing
@@estebanrodriguez5409Forgotten Realms has existed since before D&D
@@Genghis_Sean Sure, but it wasn't an official setting until much much later. Greyhawk and Mystara (Karameikos) was older. And even older was just Blackmoor.
Oh yeah, the guy who flies with his wings and carries his horse with his legs
That nightmare can fly on its own I think
@@billmcdonald5063 yeah, it does. It's just a joke that became popular in Brazil, where the cartoon was very popular among people who mostly didn't know it was related to D&D
Never skipped a leg-day in his life.
MrRhexx talking about a mad villain destroying a world and leaving the conquered regions barren and razed: *Happy voice*
MrRhexx talking about something even remotely real-world and political even though it's literally time-shenanigans with Nazis: *Extremely uncomfortable*
IRL SUCKS.
I mean, one is purely fictional the other is touching on real life atrocities.
Vengers ability to avoid death is a series of contingency spells, that triggers a dimensional door, or gaseous form spell. Also Dungeon Master is a Temporal Immortal of the Sphere of Matter. The Realm is his Home Plane. The Nameless One is a powerful Entropic Immortal of the Eternal Rank. A being of enough personal power to be able to kill Dungeon Master on his own home plane. It fits.
Mage really is a superior rule set
Then how is Venger half-fiend when there are no fiends in the Known World?
Dude, someone else whose played D&D basic HUGS
Yes. This is the way. BECMI answers it.
Dungeon Master could also be Bahamut. The kids weapons come from the Dragon Graveyard, meaning he has access to a place that otherwise only Tiamat can get to. And when the kids want to team up with Tiamat, he is clearly heartbroken.
The horn represents a crescent moon. A dream. It's part of why he can't die, you can't be killed in a dream.
So is he dreaming? Or is he part of someone else's dream?
@@DinoboyLegosandMOCs Yes!
@@SummerYeti honestly best response I could have gotten, thank you.
Source?
@@urdimsum7961where we're going we don't NEED sources
"If their *parents* watched cartoons back in the 80s" Sir, I do not know why you made this unprovoked attack on me, but I now need to roll 3d10 psychic damage. Right after I take some ibuprofin for my back...
Jokes aside, good video! I loved this cartoon as a kid, even had the Tiamat toy they released for it, even though I wouldn't actually play D&D until 35 years later. Maybe we can talk WotC into an X-Men'97-esque revival for it.
Venger's 3e stat block has edition-specific reasons for its eccentricities.
3e was interested in a form of balance wich had the monsters and the player characters built using the same rules, thus making all monsters potentially playable.
Venger is canonically a half-fiend (as a consequence of his dark bargain). Half-fiend is a "template", a 3e mechanic where you overlay a fixed set of abilities onto an existing creature. Half-fiend adds bite and claw attacks, thus Venger has them.
Arcane Fire is a class feature for Venger's prestige class: Archmage. Prestige classes were character classes which could not be taken at 1st level and did not go all the way to 20th level. To enter a prestige class, a character would have to first meet specified requirements such as having certain skills or feats.
Although the Warlock was introduced more than a year before the ASH, it was considered an underpowered class in its initial form. It, ironically, gained a cult popularity later because of its evocative lore. Wizards probably wanted to stick to core rulebook material for the ASH splat book.
Instead of a sorcerous half-fiend, the better 3e build for Venter would have been Warlock / Acolyte of the Skin (both from Complete Arcane).
So cool! One of my favorites! He seems like a half-fiend Sorlock. He's the Dungeon Master's son so he seems to have some sort of magical heritage. Warduke is really cool also. Thanks!
Well you did it. I had ABSOLUTELY NO KNOWLEDGE of this character before this video. I used to read the Dragonomicon and the Encyclopedia Magica for fun and yet I've never heard of Venger.
I never realized Venger had this much background. Also never really thought about it.
Oh boy, I remember Venger from the original DnD cartoons. That is some OOOOOOOLD school shit right there!
The kids showed up in the Dungeons and Dragons Honor among Thieves, in the Waterdeep labyrinth. Also the Dragon Graveyard happens to be in Faerun its called by the locals The Well of Dragons, if I remember right its along the the northeast edge of the Sunset mountains.
Different Graveyard. This one is expliticly Tiamat's home, which places it in the Abyss as Tiamat is a fiendish goddess.
@@johnweatherman5685 Nine Hells/Baator, not the Abyss (unless something *massively* changed in later editions, most of what I know of lore is way back from 2nd Ed). She's always been aligned with Devils/baatezu, not Demons/tanar'ri.
Tiamat was the Lord (Lady?) of Avernus, first layer of Hell, and later relegated to the position as the "watchdog" of the portal between Avernus and Dis, when Bel ousted her from the position as Lord of Avernus.
True, but tbc, the labyrinth was in never winter not waterdeep, waterdeep wasn’t in the movie
That cartoon was really popular in Brasil even in the early 2000, i knew Venger waaaaaay before i discovered the D&D game.
Was really excited to see him as the art of the new book.
Small knick-pick; Tiamat is the Goddess of EVIL Dragons! So your argument that she is a force of Nature and Neutrality holds no water at all.
Nice video essay on Venger, brought back memories of Saturday morning cartoons! I actually had the Knight and War Duke action figures a a kid. Good times!
A last point. Even if the kids suceeding to turn Venger human was canon, there are still villains to fight. Tiamat isn't just Venger's enemy, but is also extremely hostile to the kids, and pretty much everything and everyone else.
She attacks indiscrimiately without cause or provocation.
There's also Venger's minions in the Underdark. They are in no way faithful to him and only serve under duress. In fact, some dvergar openly challenge Venger when The Nameless One forces Venger, Dungeon Master, and the kids to retreat to the Underdark, and it's only because Venger was able to intimidate them that they complied with his will.
I could go on, but yes, there's still plenty of story to tell even if Venger was redeemed or permanently killed off in some way.
And I feel old. "Maybe, if their parents liked cartoons..."; that wad me. I watched this cartoon, back in the 80s. 😊 And thank you, Peter Cullen, for providing yet another voice to my childhood. Till all are one!
Yeah, Venger was an interesting character, and once I started actually playing D&D, in the late 90s, and then DMing, in 2002, it was weird trying to figure out "what is Venger?"
Same here. I couldn't wait to watch them when they came out.
The DnD cartoon is such an underrated classic I really wanted the kids to find their way home.
Some fans of the cartoon made a 2018 last episode called Requiem, you should watch it.
Cancelled too soon, and I wasn't even born when it came out. I would like to see it get a reboot and if you look then you can find the unfinished script of episode 28.
@@turtleinvader2982 The dvd set released a while back has a sort of audio drama version of what was *meant* to be the last episode and man. It would have *rocked* to see animated.
@@turtleinvader2982 dark reboot by Netflix when?
In the unaired finale, all of them except Presto do make it home. Presto chooses to stay.
Epic! I'm so glad he's returning to the game.
But I must say this...
FOR KIDS?!? I'm 52 years old and go through this entire series at least once a year.
Love this show! 😍❤😍
Damn, I keep forgetting D&D has been around for a while. Good to see your still a fan of the game!
Everyone is Venger this... Venger that... and the poor Warduke is back too
The adventure in this edition could be an opportunity to get those teenagers back home. I wonder if they would recognize their world if they had not aged and they arrived in the 2020s.
They are adults now, they showed up in the D&D movie as a cameo and exist in "Wild Beyond Witchlight".
Art of them in player's handbook seems to suggest they grew up, Uni the Unicorn is implied to have died ( and Eric the Cavalier and Sheila are missing. On ENWorld people joked redhead on the cover of new player's handbook looks like their kid on a quest to bring back prince Valiant haircut....or like if Sheila murdered Eric and stole his gear.
However, there are also IDW comics with these same characters, where they're still teenagers but they hopped on a Spelljammer and ended in Forgotten Realms. Forgotten Realms wiki even says Presto is being tutored under Elminster, I guess because he was deemed too much of a danger to himself and his surrounding to be allowed to roam free.
A sequel with a group of current day teenagers would be fun.
The basic lore already exists just need new heroes and the show practically writes itself.
Canon has it that time moves faster in the Realm. Back home, it's only a few hours since they vanished.
I absolutely LIVED to see this, every Saturday morning🥰🥰🥰
In 80s this popular character was on Saturday morning cartoons. We also had the first edition D and D books to play.
I like to imagine the evil part of him just reformed into Venger, now free of the good that was locked inside.
During 1980s, oh yeah, Venger was iconic !!! Fun fact about the 1980s cartoon = it featured new character classes, subclasses, etc that were not yet released officially until slightly later into the next seasons of the show
Hmmm...
- The kids were sucked into the world against their will, through an almost mist-like portal
- Made a deal with an unknown being
- Became utterly corrupt and inhuman on gaining his power
- Unable to leave his plane
- Cannot be killed as he always returns a few days later
- Cannot ever seem to achieve what it is he wants to achieve...
I posit, that Venger is, in fact, a Dark Lord and the series is set in the Domains of Dread. The D&D cartoon is Ravenloft!
World wise maybe Mystara, originally Warduke was Mystara in Quest of the Heartstone module. Warduke showed up in Greyhawk in 3.5
Too many moons and suns for Mystara
I loved this cartoon growing up. Own the DVD now. Introduced me to the RPG.
It's neat that in some DnD Official Art in the books you can the the Heroes in the backgrounds of like some of them fighting blue dragons.
Venger was in the D and D cartoon from the 80s....awwww yeah!!!
That D&D cartoon brought back serious memories. Childhood unlocked!
I'm an 80's baby. I watched Dungeons and Dragons before I'd even heard of the game. So this is pretty cool.
So not only we get character art for the main heroes of the T.V. Show for 5e but now we have art for the 3 villains as well? What a throwback
I like how the cast of the cartoon got home in a Brazilian car commercial. I'm not joking. It's a thing.
Duuuude, can you post the link if it’s on TH-cam???
@@TheMystic-Portal
th-cam.com/video/msDp_k-Fid4/w-d-xo.html
MrRhexx: Dude, check the 25:48 moment of your video.
Venger gets "defeated" by freeing his inner good scene.
His clothes remain intact and his fiend/imp traits vanish.
The horn vanishes. The horn is not a part of his clothes. You are welcome.
I remember. "Welcome to the world of Dungeons & Dragons" I feel kind of old now.😓
I was so surprised to see this guy as on the cover in this vid, my brain took a few seconds to remember where he's from. Couldn't believe it. Anyways, this is awesome
1983! I thought the cartoon was 90s. They were still playing it on UK TV then.
Most 1980s cartoons persisted through the 1990s.
Venger was the coolest villain ever. I loved watching the dnd cartoon and he was hands down my favorite villain. He was really the first character I decided to research and stuff. The cartoon never gave a good ending to the series and I wanted to know how it was to end
There is a video of the final show script here on TH-cam.
I loved the dungeons and dragons cartoon as a kid. My parents had got the box set because they watched it as kids and like many 80s show they wanted me and my siblings to watch it, too. Needless to say, my favorite characters were Bobby and Uni...mostly because I love unicorns and I thought Bobby was just the sweetest kid.
I saw Venger in one of the missions in Idle Champions game, some time last week I noticed it, and was thinking how weird name it is and where it comes from. Huh, so it's from the same cartoon as Presto, Dungeon Master et al. The cartoon never aired where I'm from, and I started playing D&D in my thirties, so all this lore is quite new to me.
The Heroes of the cartoon also made a cameo in the latest D&D movie, when they are fighting the displacer beast in the arena. The last episode of the cartoon never aired so no one knows if our intrepid heroes ever made they way back home to our normal 1980s world and the fandom (largely from Brazil) always speculated that they might have been dead all along and "The Realm" was some sort of afterlife. In the cameo, they get trapped in a cage and Harper guy says "Forget about them, everyone inside of that cage is dead!". I think that was the coolest little detail ever and seems to support the theory that they were, in fact, dead all along.
My childhood! Loved this show as a kid, even though I didn't understand all the references and overall plot.
So-- Night-Mare name is Night-Mare, and might not actually bet a Nightmare. He's a flying black horse creature that shoots fire- Nightmares dont shoot fire normally? But more importantly- this was mentioned a year ago by Chris Perkins in a D&D video but it was also talked about on some forums that seem to be gone now. I tried the wayback machine but I cant find it. I know the 3.5 book just calls it a Nightmare though. Also, Warduke was in Wild beyond the witchlight as well as the evil Wizard Kelek. Also- what do you mean your parents might know? I used to watch the show. . . oh god- I- I'm old...
Since watching the cartoon as a child I always ask the DM to give me a golden grimoire when I play as wizard.
It's a good way to judge the culture of them based in their initial reaction alone from hearing "Golden Grimoire".
1:43 the DM grants them each a legendary weapon that allows them to go 1 v 1 w/ effing Tiamat, Lolth, Skeletal warriors; the things the kids from a damn carnival had to face *and beat* were astounding. OK, they always tied w/ Tiamat until they faced her in Avernus where the same weapons had even greater power. loved that show.
This is my all time favorite dnd content channel. Have learned so much about monsters and it really helped step up my game as a dm. Still waiting for gem dragon videos though ;) (yes i know a lot of it is a different setting but my man here is so good at his lore job that i gotta see em anyway 😂).
Oooo Rhexx thank you for this! Its funny you dropped this vid i was rewatching the old show and wondered about Vengers powers. Thank you!
In Brazil he are called basic the same, the Dungeon Master is called "Master of the Mages" and the show are Called "In the Dragon's Cave".
Edit: The name was wrong, fixed.
Childhood memories (here the show was on air in 90's). Good times.
Ñ era "A Caverna do Dragão"(The Dragon's *Cave)?*
@@foisopracurtir6389 you are right
I don't have any issues with is strength being 18. He's like 8 feet tall, and though he's grappled by that giant, Venger is a magical AND physical powerhouse in the show. Unless my memory is faulty, he tosses most people around with zero effort.
I wasn’t planning to delve in d&d one at all but if venger appears in the monster manual I might actually pick it up
They were on the Sword Coast in the awesome movie known as D&D: Honor Among Thieves.
Given that Venger is half Fiend and half Sorceror, and that Dungeon Master claimed that Venger was his son, I always wondered what thicc succubus DM had knocked boots with. Thanks for clearing up my misconception.
Wait,The Nameless One?! From Planescape:Torment?!
Venger was shown to be able to control evil dragons below a certain power level, his powers are standard demigod level pretty much like Strahd however one wonders if they would be maintained outside the Realm and entering other worlds as a demigod is sometimes problematic. The question of course is who is his mama. We speculated it was Tiamat but no real answers ever given- (We asked!) Dungeon Master's powers/limitations were based on cause and effect-- if you brought water to a desert then a desert would be created elsewhere. No free lunch. Notice everyone in the Realm knew Dungeon Master
Love your videos !
Please do one about Archfeys, because there is a lot we don't get told about 😊
Well, in the DnD movie, on the floor of the High Sun games, the third team is the original characters of the 1980s cartoon. Maybe Venger was there too. ☺️
The ONLY reason I know a LITTLE bit about this guy is the cartoon. Loved it.
Given my country has always had a tendency to have its modern TV be whatever was modern 20 years back in America, I actually watched that one when growing up - not on par with Tom and Jerry and the like, but damn, this brings back memories. I didn't even know what was DnD for over 10 years after watching it, and I'd have not realized it was related - or maybe even remembered it - if not for your video, amusingly enough. It was the light arrow bow that I probably remembered most from the show. :D
19:17 The Dundeon Master's ultimate power is Fun. "The Nameless One" has a name, it's "That Guy." You know, the player that ruins everyone else's good time and makes the DM rage quit. 😅
"Hi kids new here, have some weapons" the 80's were fun!
When I saw the kids from the cartoon in the recent dnd movie I was so hyped up. When I saw Venger on the new dmg, I cracked up 😂. Watched this show in the 90s before I ever played dnd in the first place. Its fun that wizards is bringing these characters back, and I would be very interested to know why.
Dungeon master: ok your first encounter is Tiamat and some kind of lich demon. Next up is fighting Lolth in her web. Btw she serves Venger.
Ah yes, the most evil and dangerous beings to be written, 80's cartoon villains
We always had Venger's Horn as a mighty artifact, capable of "demonic, ungodly things". Down here, it was the macguffin for more than one game back in the 80s. I had +5studded, +3 sun sword etc, even went up against the kids from the cartoon for a couple of sessions, racing them to some ancient monastery burial place... but we never found the horn
That's really cool
They do also have images depicting the protagonists of the show in PHB, if I'm not mistaken. It's likely just a throwback for nostalgia, but if they do add a Venger statblock, the 5e equivalent of his "arcane fire" will likely be "arcane burst." They have begun to give some version of that to a majority Spellcasting NPCs as their basic spell attack... and it does pretty much function as an Eldritch Blast for NPC spellcasters.
omg i didn't knew that this show was actually made by dnd. Here in Brazil it's name was '' Dragon's cave '' and the dungeon master was '' Lord of mages '' ( in my language it means that he is the highest of all mages )
On the topic of the cartoon characters being able to enter the Forgotten Realms, it's quite possible that according to WotC's current canon, they are already there. The party from the DnD cartoon makes an appearance in Honor Among Theives as one of the other groups in the High Sun Games.
IDW is publishing comics in which the kids tried to Spelljammer their way home, but somehow ended on Toril instead.
The kids have been in the Forgotten Realms campaign setting since 2nd Edition. In a single comic book called "Grand Tour of the Realms", which reveals the kids have grown a few years older (Bobby the barbarian is in his pre-teens in that comic book), Presto gets taken on a time traveling tour with Elminster hoping he would teach them how to get back to Earth.
And in the video game Baldur's Gate 2 Shadows of Amn, there are portraits of the Hank, Eric and Presto that can be found in Waukeen's Promenade, and the portraits reveal that Hank, Eric, Bobby, Presto, Sheila and Diana were recently killed by the Forgotten Realms variant of Tiamat.
As you already may know, that turned out to be false, the kids are still alive, AND MORE THAN 100 YEARS LATER INTO THE SAME ERA AS BALDUR'S GATE 3 AND THE MOVIE "HONOR AMONG THIEVES". How is that possible? Recall that Presto learned how to time travel from Elminster. He likely uses that spell to help him and his friends escape from Tiamat into the future, into the 5th Edition era, which would explain why everyone acquainted with them in the 2nd Edition time frame think they are dead.
To understand why he is a Sorcerers, I ponder this question:
Does a Patron Channel magic through him?
Some people can have magical potential unlocked by a greater being, and from that point forward have that ability regardless of what they do. Even if they where to turn against the principles of the creature that unlocked that magical potential, used it directly against them, there is no punishment to be had. Warlocks whom go against their patron quickly find themselves in a dire position, sort of like Paladins, Clerics and other classes that use a Deity of some sort.
I didn't realize how bleak the D&D cartoon's world was. Sure, the kids' interactions with anyone or anything that wasn't trying to kill them was actually pretty rare, but I just assumed they were outside the boundaries of that world's civilization because the Dungeon Master was directing them that way. Not, ya'know, that the world is mostly dead and filled with almost nothing but monsters.
Seems like “the realm” has a potential fit as a Demi plane of dread, similar to ravenloft. Where you are invited in for a need, the big bad(s) make the rules and you can’t leave until they are dealt with.
I'm 26, and this cartoon was part of my childhood here in Brazil. It is very loved here, and it's a source of various memes. fun fact: Venger has a horse that he uses when flying, but the guy has wings and the horse doesn't, so it's a common joke that the guy is actually holding his horse up with his legs
My father had 6 CDs of the D&D show I watched as a kid, good times.
I always figured Tiamat, given she is present over many universes has a brief with 'evil' (Venger's master the 'Nameless One'). Whilst Venger might be a CR 12 to 20 creature, Tiamat is a CR 25 plus creature.
Something to think about in regards to Tiamat that also comes up in Eve of Ruin. She might be evil, and downright hateful, but she created the world with Bahamut. It is here creation just as much as it was his. And she'll be damned again if she lets some upstart lich or demi-fiend destroy it and will gladly side with the forces of good to save her world. It is hers, it is her hoard. She's 1/5th Blue Dragon after all :3