people hating on tbates need to realize he's the reason there's actual discussion in these. if everyone agrees on everything, there's nothing to be talked about. You need someone with outrageous takes here and there to make it interesting, lively, funny. Tbates needs more love, especially from chat.
How about he puts 0 NA players in the list. This would sparkle controversy and be outrageus and dumb as this. He is a fanboy, and a liar. He should be replaced asap.
It would be interesting to see people like Joyo, Appjack, SCRUBKILLA in one of these. Difference in perspective from a pro would be cool and not to mention a pro and personality like Scrub
@@interycreeper1152no way, I need tbates on these so I can laugh at him. He's the best addition on this, because of how hot garbage his takes are and how dumb his justifications are. Otherwise it's just a bunch of guys agreeing with each other all stream, boring af.
@@altfist No, if Bates left they would Stop having to argue about this nonsense and start having some meaty discussions of whats actually interesting. He is holding everything up
Every time I think to myself "Bates' list cannot get worse than last time", but man keeps outdoing himself. I really don't know why this became a Daniel debate lol
@@PhaZeUnleashed7 minutes is crazy for a guy at first place who didn't make the major and might not even make worlds. And I'm saying this as a Daniel fan
@@NiceDZNintroI think he’s referencing cj sleeping in 40 minutes late and the banter that was going on prior. Not so much the twitch app itself or features.
Let's just remember, Psyonix pay this man for his opinions and analysis. They asked Gregan to leave because they couldn't afford everyone, but still kept this guy on. I love to laugh at a Bates take as much as the next man, but it's gone from copium to delusion.....breaks my heart that Gregan died for this
Bro everytime gregan streams or posts some of his game analysis, I get frustrated that he's not a part of rlcs anymore, not one of the analysts we have left understand the game like this man
they don't pay him for his opinions and analysis. he's paid because he's good at entertainment. we watch rlcs for fun. not to over analyse a video game
I think TBates is a good pickup there, but not a good replacement if that makes sense. He's funny, and relatable as a "fan" where his bias shines through. It's like being a fan of a sports team, where before a competition you do have your bias and feel like "they're the best" and then when the team underperforms to your expectations you can be more critical than others of their performance. Don't get me wrong, I think he has a terrible list (I saw the list and am now listening to them justifying their picks) but for the "showman" factor, I'd say most people would agree that entertainment is appreciated more than good analysis, especially when I'd say most of the viewers are fairly young and won't necessarily understand the more technical aspects.
Agreed, he brought something unique, it's a shame he wasn't brought back. They pay him because he's a hype man, which is fine, especially for a very casual audience who don't follow the pro scene or play the game much...people who follow the scene a lot don't need some rambling dude pretending he knows what he's on about. We're hyped by the game, not the talent desk. And he has taken that analyst role on that desk. I don't hate Bates, he's a great personality and brings lots of discussion. But this list is too far towards 'stupid'...most of his takes are terrible...and not just that, but we lost Gregan for it...he currently occupies the role on the desk that Gregan had and does a much worse job. I'd love him to be there, but not at the cost of Gregan, is my point.
@@VilTheVillain Agreed, he's a great addition but a terrible replacement. Towards the end is where I personally differ, the game and learning about it is the entertainment that I value over the takes and hype build up. I don't have the stats to know what's more popular and not gonna pretend I do. But yeah I agree I'm sure most viewers are young and want more hype. Fair enough then, but my heart remains broken for Gregan nontheless
I don't really need Bates' troll takes to "keep the conversation interesting". They don't make it interesting because it just results in the others having to state obvious facts. That said, it's just a casual player ranking, I can see why people enjoy the banter even if I'd prefer it a bit more serious
Actually kind of crazy how much Johnny and Yumi's lists have in common... 1. Zen 2. Vatira 4. Alpha54 10. Oski 11. Seikoo 13. Rw9 18. crr 21. Kash For a game like this, having 8/25 with the same placement is pretty nuts
We’ve now learned that if you want to be the highest rated player on your team by CJ, you just need to have some type of animal as your in game name lol
He’s the best “third man” in the world. Debatable if he’s the third man because Zen is like a Daniel on steroids but regardless he’s the best support player alongside two superstars in the world, no debate.
@@warlock_r Lol no. It's really not great content if he forces it in such an unreasonable way every time. Throwing wild takes just for the sake of having wild takes isn't content, it's just farming impressions instead of what he should be doing - analyzing the game
I understand tbates trying to provoke conversation with a bold list. but there is a point where it becomes completely stupid and I think he tends to walk the wrong side of that line
This video is missing the VERY important first hour and a bit of absolutely nothing followed by waiting for bates to pull up and CJ to WAKE up (actually entertaining and fun to watch live, chat was losing it)
Bates takes are wild as ever but I do think people are WAY overhyping MENA just because of their 1v1 pedigree. They haven't peformed at all since 2021-2022 major.
Tbf, only johnny is kinda doing it here. Everyone else has only RW9 on the list, and even that is 13 at the highest, so nobody is really predicting that MENA go that far, or do that well. They also said they expect them to play KRU close. If we consider wider audiences, I don't think too many people are high on MENA, hopeful definitely since we wanna see R1 succeed, but I don't think that many people think they will get a big result.
falcons were really really close from top8 last major and they play fantastic. I think it's a more than fair take to think that rule one can do better than them in LAN considering which teams tend to underperform or overperform in LAN. Specially when they won't have to face the only team they seem to have a mental block with
@@noonecares4440 tbf that was after the first comment + an online ShowMatch doest not necessarily represent properly what can happen in LAN. I agree with you that R1 are scary and might even be good candidates to take the major, tho
In no particular order, Zen, Vatira, Chronic, ApparentlyJack, and Firstkiller (I know he’s not in the major) are the top five best players in the world. Chronic is constantly underrated and has insane mechanics, Jack is recognized as one of the best and is amazingly consistent and mechanical, Zen and Vatira have performed incredibly well and have amazing mechanics, and Firstkiller is… well, Firstkiller. The top spots are always changing though.
U must’ve forgot chronic and jack only qualified cuz optic did miracles chronic and jack are NOT better than radosin oski monkeymoon seikooo ayyjayy yanxz lostt kash joyo alpha atow exotiik itachi reysbull and there’s probably more I really don’t know what youve been watching this whole split… 😂😂😂
Haven’t watched yet but Here’s my top 25 for those who wanna compare. I made this a week ago and I try to prescribe to Johnny’s law of averages 1) Yanxnz 2)Atow 3)Zen 4)Vatira 5)Lostt 6)RW9 7)Oski 8)itatchi 9)AYYJAYY 10) killers 11) Chronic 12) Alpha54 13)Acronik 14) Caard 15) LJ 16) Exotiik 17) Rise 18) Retals 19)Joyo 20)Arsenal 21) M7sn 22)Magicbear 23)Radosin 24)hockser 25)ApparentlyJack
Now THIS is an interesting list. This has some "hot takes" that are different enough from the others' lists but are not so stupid to have no reasoning behind it. A good charismatic analyst would take something like having Zen at number 3 (as opposed to 10! wtf?) where everyone else had him at 1 and use that for great meaty discussion and banter. It's the right level of entertainment and real analysis. We should get you on there in place of TBates. You had Yanxnz at 1, you have Radosin way lower, you had Acronik higher, you have M7sn on there. I also like your distribution of Optic players better. Very interesting list indeed.
Having wild takes and hyping players up is fine, but the completely inconsistent logic is frustrating. Bates could have even saved his Zen placement if he just said "I think he is the most hyped up player in RL history and I predict that pressure will get to him, and he'll choke late in the tournament" but no he says the same things that if they were said about Daniel last year bates would have laughed at and said "you just dont know ball lmao just watch this kid play"
Looking at TBates' list, if Daniel > Alpha, Lj > Zen, Arsenal > Radosin, where was SSG's treble last split? Not only that, they didn't even qualify for lan lmao.
Can we get johnnyboi a durag and another talk with everyone about this list AFTER the major? Edit: if Johnny comes out on top with this list he has to get a durag and roast tbates
I have so much respect for Bates still even after we’re over with V1 failing and we’re onto major conversation, he’s the biggest V1 meatrider I’ve ever heard. Respect that he’s committed to it
If Bates left they would Stop having to argue about this nonsense and start having some meaty discussions of whats actually interesting. He is holding everything up
Your entitled to your own opinion but bates is one of the reasons i watch he adds controversy which adds comedy to the stream if it was just stats the entire time i would just skip to the end to see their final lists.
@@MohammedAAAs If I had to guess it would be because he woke up an hour after the stream had started and basically chucked his list together in 5 minutes.
aint no way some of you put ayyjayy and acronik that low lol. i admit i didn't really listen to the reasons cuz i didn't have that much time to watch the whole stream but ik both of them are essential teammates
Tbates just doesn't understand the concept of mediocracy. Just because nobody thinks you are the greatest, it's not like everybody thinks you're the worst.
I think zen could be 10 if he decides to only stick to the basics and doesn’t try for any crazy mechanical plays. He probably wont, but it is within the realm of possibility
Tbates was kinda making sense with the bracket rankings not coinciding with player performance, and he got shit on a little here for it but that's the EXACT OPPOSITE of what happened at the post London rankings. Zen was like top 5 in everyone other than Bates list, even though they were ~top 8. His performance placed him way above the potential top 24 given the 8 teams, which is what Bates said here which everyone disagreed with.
Ok, tbates has a point. putting zen at spot number 10 could end up being pretty accurate. he could be shook by the crowd, as remember this is being held in NA. I think most of what tbates says is crazy, but there’s a chance he would crack under the pressure
I could be wrong, but were people not saying the same thing about Moist (Team Queso) last year at the Winter major and then they cleaned house😂 barring the final of course
bruh even if vitality got like top4 zen wouldnt be that bad down. Top 10 for zen would be almost as terrible as top16 for BDS last spring, and predicting that kind of scenario is just dumb even if it's remotely possible to happen
it used to be funny with tbates bad lists bcz he actually meant them and wasn't trolling. when he is trying this hard to be different or create drama/baiting id rather not see him at all. its not funny at this point and instead cringe and annoing
He has won 1 event in 5 whole splits. And you can't use the bad teamates excuse because all 3 of his old teamates made it to the major and SSG as a whole had their best online split in a long time. He is really talented, but talent alone wont get you wins
Johnny needs to do a better job at ranking players not where their team will place but how they individually will perform as well, he can’t use the argument both ways for every one of these…
people hating on tbates need to realize he's the reason there's actual discussion in these. if everyone agrees on everything, there's nothing to be talked about. You need someone with outrageous takes here and there to make it interesting, lively, funny. Tbates needs more love, especially from chat.
I agree. Bates is likely very aware that his "hot takes" keep the conversation lively. The reactions from everyone else are funny af
How about he puts 0 NA players in the list. This would sparkle controversy and be outrageus and dumb as this. He is a fanboy, and a liar. He should be replaced asap.
Ya, if Bates left the community would lose something huge, I'm really glad he's around
@@darktimes4349u a hoe ahh nxgga boa onna dead hommies
I agree but sometimes, he takes it too far and i don't even know if he is being ironic or not
Vatira has gotta be pressed after seeing himself at 2nd across the board😂
Technically that gives him a higher average ranking than Zen thanks to the one and only Tbates
@@George-li1yvyeah but you can basically ignore tbates’ list
@@ts_30 fr that list was wild lol
He didn't deserve it Alpha > Vatira
@09ziyad yeah idk about that one but alpha is nutty
It would be interesting to see people like Joyo, Appjack, SCRUBKILLA in one of these. Difference in perspective from a pro would be cool and not to mention a pro and personality like Scrub
I'm waiting for this since these video series started
Yes, in place of Tbates please
@@interycreeper1152no way, I need tbates on these so I can laugh at him. He's the best addition on this, because of how hot garbage his takes are and how dumb his justifications are. Otherwise it's just a bunch of guys agreeing with each other all stream, boring af.
@@altfist No, if Bates left they would Stop having to argue about this nonsense and start having some meaty discussions of whats actually interesting. He is holding everything up
@@interycreeper1152 if you dont like him stop watching him the majority of us like tbates and the entertainment value he brings
Every time I think to myself "Bates' list cannot get worse than last time", but man keeps outdoing himself. I really don't know why this became a Daniel debate lol
Calm down buddy it was a Daniel debate for like 7 minutes if even that.
@@PhaZeUnleashed7 minutes is crazy for a guy at first place who didn't make the major and might not even make worlds.
And I'm saying this as a Daniel fan
@@majesticmo5048daniel is HIM either way
@kozukitonio740 Daniel is good but he's not HIM. Zen is HIM, firstkiller is HIM, vatira is HIM etc
@@majesticmo5048 firstkiller ehh more like ayyjayy
I whole heartedly recommend that everyone watches the twitch vod of this for the full experience
nah I don't like children spamming cringe emojis
Twitch is aids
Why adds
Why
@@NiceDZNintroI think he’s referencing cj sleeping in 40 minutes late and the banter that was going on prior. Not so much the twitch app itself or features.
Monkey moon's consistency is jstn level, we've been talking about him being top 5 in the world since fall of 2020 its super crazy
Jonny's take on what an honorable mention makes my brain hurt
I think he just got confused and forgot he'd asked for a top 25 not top 24
@@happy_labs they do this like evrey major tho and if you look back they almost always seem to be confused on what an honorable mention qualifies as
Let's just remember, Psyonix pay this man for his opinions and analysis. They asked Gregan to leave because they couldn't afford everyone, but still kept this guy on. I love to laugh at a Bates take as much as the next man, but it's gone from copium to delusion.....breaks my heart that Gregan died for this
Bro everytime gregan streams or posts some of his game analysis, I get frustrated that he's not a part of rlcs anymore, not one of the analysts we have left understand the game like this man
they don't pay him for his opinions and analysis. he's paid because he's good at entertainment. we watch rlcs for fun. not to over analyse a video game
I think TBates is a good pickup there, but not a good replacement if that makes sense. He's funny, and relatable as a "fan" where his bias shines through. It's like being a fan of a sports team, where before a competition you do have your bias and feel like "they're the best" and then when the team underperforms to your expectations you can be more critical than others of their performance.
Don't get me wrong, I think he has a terrible list (I saw the list and am now listening to them justifying their picks) but for the "showman" factor, I'd say most people would agree that entertainment is appreciated more than good analysis, especially when I'd say most of the viewers are fairly young and won't necessarily understand the more technical aspects.
Agreed, he brought something unique, it's a shame he wasn't brought back.
They pay him because he's a hype man, which is fine, especially for a very casual audience who don't follow the pro scene or play the game much...people who follow the scene a lot don't need some rambling dude pretending he knows what he's on about. We're hyped by the game, not the talent desk. And he has taken that analyst role on that desk.
I don't hate Bates, he's a great personality and brings lots of discussion. But this list is too far towards 'stupid'...most of his takes are terrible...and not just that, but we lost Gregan for it...he currently occupies the role on the desk that Gregan had and does a much worse job. I'd love him to be there, but not at the cost of Gregan, is my point.
@@VilTheVillain Agreed, he's a great addition but a terrible replacement. Towards the end is where I personally differ, the game and learning about it is the entertainment that I value over the takes and hype build up. I don't have the stats to know what's more popular and not gonna pretend I do. But yeah I agree I'm sure most viewers are young and want more hype. Fair enough then, but my heart remains broken for Gregan nontheless
I don't really need Bates' troll takes to "keep the conversation interesting". They don't make it interesting because it just results in the others having to state obvious facts. That said, it's just a casual player ranking, I can see why people enjoy the banter even if I'd prefer it a bit more serious
yeah, hot takes are interesting, but absolutely ridiculous takes are just boring, because there is no conversation needed. Bad quality bait
tbates is literally and purposefully trolling its absolutely classic
tbates mad cringe imo
@@supremedouglas ur mad cringe
@@supremedouglasit would be a 15 minute stream without bates, he’s very necessary for the community. He gives the community some personality
@@supremedouglas agreed. he just seems to be craving for attention
@@4oho361 bruh what, clearly ur mad enoguh to comment on me lmfao. pull bates pants up when ur done kid
Actually kind of crazy how much Johnny and Yumi's lists have in common...
1. Zen
2. Vatira
4. Alpha54
10. Oski
11. Seikoo
13. Rw9
18. crr
21. Kash
For a game like this, having 8/25 with the same placement is pretty nuts
1:04:40 Bates they boutta walk in and WHAT?
We’ve now learned that if you want to be the highest rated player on your team by CJ, you just need to have some type of animal as your in game name lol
apart from MonkeyMoon
rado at 20 was nuts. dude scores like every goal, and call me crazy but he's been the standout player on that team.
He’s the best “third man” in the world. Debatable if he’s the third man because Zen is like a Daniel on steroids but regardless he’s the best support player alongside two superstars in the world, no debate.
@@alexkrueger5121 The only thing you've said right is that Rado is alongside two superstars
This is either a copypasta or I'm going insane
nah zen has been the mvp of the split so far that's clear
@@alexkrueger5121 zen is the third man role on vitality and flex role.. alpha and radosin flip roles from first and second man
YESSS I was hoping you'd do one of these again. I love these! Thanks for the content Johnny
CJ raving about the bear hibernating was hilarious, love these rankings
Bates never fails
To have a horrible list
...to bait imbeciles who haven't realized yet that he's just a massive troll
@@verychildish8334To be a content God
He's still got it 🙌
@@warlock_r Lol no. It's really not great content if he forces it in such an unreasonable way every time. Throwing wild takes just for the sake of having wild takes isn't content, it's just farming impressions instead of what he should be doing - analyzing the game
For those of you that are curious...
North America : Red
Europe : Blue
South America : Yellow
Middle East : Green
Oceania : Pink
I understand tbates trying to provoke conversation with a bold list. but there is a point where it becomes completely stupid and I think he tends to walk the wrong side of that line
Well said, I agree completely.
This video is missing the VERY important first hour and a bit of absolutely nothing followed by waiting for bates to pull up and CJ to WAKE up (actually entertaining and fun to watch live, chat was losing it)
T Bates always has the most unique list you’ll ever see 😂
“Unique”
Unique
Unique is a nice way of putting it
unique is a word 😹😹😹
Special 👁️💋👁️
Would be funny if literally the only team to perform from EU is vitality
Bro everybody had Zen at number one, while TBates has him at number 10?? He has to be trolling right?
He definitely trolls to flame fans and keep things interesting. Without him the show would certainly be less interesting lol
I’m sure it’s scripted. They need one guy who disagrees or else the show would just be “oh yeah that’s cool, oh I agree”
Bates takes are wild as ever but I do think people are WAY overhyping MENA just because of their 1v1 pedigree. They haven't peformed at all since 2021-2022 major.
Tbf, only johnny is kinda doing it here. Everyone else has only RW9 on the list, and even that is 13 at the highest, so nobody is really predicting that MENA go that far, or do that well. They also said they expect them to play KRU close. If we consider wider audiences, I don't think too many people are high on MENA, hopeful definitely since we wanna see R1 succeed, but I don't think that many people think they will get a big result.
falcons were really really close from top8 last major and they play fantastic. I think it's a more than fair take to think that rule one can do better than them in LAN considering which teams tend to underperform or overperform in LAN. Specially when they won't have to face the only team they seem to have a mental block with
Time to watch the complexity vs rule one show match
they sweeped complexity you donut
@@noonecares4440 tbf that was after the first comment + an online ShowMatch doest not necessarily represent properly what can happen in LAN. I agree with you that R1 are scary and might even be good candidates to take the major, tho
Johnny said Radosin was farming Retals in twos but Retals literally beat Vatira in ones. Does ranked matter or not?
Bro you cut out the entire best part of the stream! I legit was laughing my ass off the entire hour the stream was live but you guys weren’t ready😂😂
Tbates be like why that hate on Daniel when he didn't win anything for 2 years
While zen winning 3 regional back to back and be like he is top 9
In no particular order, Zen, Vatira, Chronic, ApparentlyJack, and Firstkiller (I know he’s not in the major) are the top five best players in the world. Chronic is constantly underrated and has insane mechanics, Jack is recognized as one of the best and is amazingly consistent and mechanical, Zen and Vatira have performed incredibly well and have amazing mechanics, and Firstkiller is… well, Firstkiller. The top spots are always changing though.
U must’ve forgot chronic and jack only qualified cuz optic did miracles chronic and jack are NOT better than radosin oski monkeymoon seikooo ayyjayy yanxz lostt kash joyo alpha atow exotiik itachi reysbull and there’s probably more I really don’t know what youve been watching this whole split… 😂😂😂
bruh I'm a chronic and jack fanboy but to think they are top5 in the world you have to be DELUSIONAL in capital letters
@@misterragger2389 exactly they are not even top10 right now, if we talking by peak then yeah sure their up there but right now just no 😂😂
found dazerin's burner
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THESE TO COME BACK FOR SOO LONG!!!!
Haven’t watched yet but Here’s my top 25 for those who wanna compare. I made this a week ago and I try to prescribe to Johnny’s law of averages
1) Yanxnz
2)Atow
3)Zen
4)Vatira
5)Lostt
6)RW9
7)Oski
8)itatchi
9)AYYJAYY
10) killers
11) Chronic
12) Alpha54
13)Acronik
14) Caard
15) LJ
16) Exotiik
17) Rise
18) Retals
19)Joyo
20)Arsenal
21) M7sn
22)Magicbear
23)Radosin
24)hockser
25)ApparentlyJack
Now THIS is an interesting list. This has some "hot takes" that are different enough from the others' lists but are not so stupid to have no reasoning behind it. A good charismatic analyst would take something like having Zen at number 3 (as opposed to 10! wtf?) where everyone else had him at 1 and use that for great meaty discussion and banter. It's the right level of entertainment and real analysis. We should get you on there in place of TBates. You had Yanxnz at 1, you have Radosin way lower, you had Acronik higher, you have M7sn on there. I also like your distribution of Optic players better. Very interesting list indeed.
@@maximuspowers thx a lot! Really tried to channel my inner CJ on this one 😅
27:30 Fantastic prediction by Johnny here. Spot on. Close loss in game 5 to GenG.
Gotta Love how the daniel no. 1 take aged xD Not gonna be at worlds lol
By Bates’ logic, MonkeyMoon should be #1 on this list. Dudes the reigning world champ.
Having wild takes and hyping players up is fine, but the completely inconsistent logic is frustrating. Bates could have even saved his Zen placement if he just said "I think he is the most hyped up player in RL history and I predict that pressure will get to him, and he'll choke late in the tournament" but no he says the same things that if they were said about Daniel last year bates would have laughed at and said "you just dont know ball lmao just watch this kid play"
Majicbear vs M0nkey M00n 1v1 showmatch before the major ft. CJCJ casting
I still remember the first one of these that Johnny posted, i fucking love these vids👌
Looking at TBates' list, if Daniel > Alpha, Lj > Zen, Arsenal > Radosin, where was SSG's treble last split? Not only that, they didn't even qualify for lan lmao.
Wtf is a treble
@@jahnj2523 winnint the three regionals of a single split
Can we get johnnyboi a durag and another talk with everyone about this list AFTER the major?
Edit: if Johnny comes out on top with this list he has to get a durag and roast tbates
I would love for them to bring in a guest to one of these. Not a pro player or a caster. But a fan with a lot of knowledge from one of their discords.
Nobody wants a nerd that nobody knows about. It would be much better to have a pro or two on
Everyone’s gonna remember Zen at 10, but killeerrz as an honorable mention is much worse
I have so much respect for Bates still even after we’re over with V1 failing and we’re onto major conversation, he’s the biggest V1 meatrider I’ve ever heard. Respect that he’s committed to it
Cant we have a voting to let us the viewers decide which list is the best?
I think they do on twitch
I can't believe Bates tried to out-CJ the CJ
Always love the watch this after it’s all over 😂
Retals not being on here is just a dishonor to that man
1:38:20 was actually a really good take by tbates
If Bates left they would Stop having to argue about this nonsense and start having some meaty discussions of whats actually interesting. He is holding everything up
Your entitled to your own opinion but bates is one of the reasons i watch he adds controversy which adds comedy to the stream if it was just stats the entire time i would just skip to the end to see their final lists.
Spoiler alert
Did CJCJ say why he didn't put Rw9 on his list?
If yes, please give me the timestamp
@@MohammedAAAs If I had to guess it would be because he woke up an hour after the stream had started and basically chucked his list together in 5 minutes.
Ayyjay at 20 is ridiculous bro was a top 2 player in NA this split.
1:28:10 i love thd chat "its randomly generated" Bout tbates list lol
They got so much confidence with eu doing soo well ima be laughing when they get disappointed
Hmm
Cry na retard eu better
💀
@@nodidog they didn’t disappoint lmao
@@-_domingo4852 I'm sure NA will be back stronger for worlds!
Dazerin said a lot this video, nearly 2 hours long and he had 1 word per hour
These are always the best content. Just a comment for the algorithm
tbates actually came close, he had complexity knocking off vitality and they nearly did it. reysbull was a beast
A certified 'bruh' moment from bates.
9:55 bates saying "I'm confused" like clearly bro what is that list
I just love tbates in these lists
Getting mad at LJ being 20th, when he's got 2/3 of Karmine lower, and them still making the final lmao
aint no way some of you put ayyjayy and acronik that low lol. i admit i didn't really listen to the reasons cuz i didn't have that much time to watch the whole stream but ik both of them are essential teammates
This aged well 😝 for bates
Daniel is so good that he doesn't even have to at the major to be No.1
No, not really
Bates bracket turned upside down - horizontally 🤣
My english is not very good but i rly Hope tbates is just a big troll 😅
I used to not like bates but now I expect bad takes and just wait to see how outrages they are so he’s one of my favorites now
u cropped out the best part where we waited for cj to wake up for an hour :(
FINALLY THE VOD W
Tbates just doesn't understand the concept of mediocracy. Just because nobody thinks you are the greatest, it's not like everybody thinks you're the worst.
I think zen could be 10 if he decides to only stick to the basics and doesn’t try for any crazy mechanical plays. He probably wont, but it is within the realm of possibility
Klieerz is def top 25 (24)
Tbates was kinda making sense with the bracket rankings not coinciding with player performance, and he got shit on a little here for it but that's the EXACT OPPOSITE of what happened at the post London rankings. Zen was like top 5 in everyone other than Bates list, even though they were ~top 8.
His performance placed him way above the potential top 24 given the 8 teams, which is what Bates said here which everyone disagreed with.
Tbated list finally did something right putting Zen on 10
Daniel is a superstar. He is so good he can't even make the major xD
i am always looking forward to these videos 😂
Honestly besides some of the oddball takes like Zen at 10, Dan at 1, RW9 at 23, yan at 12, I actually don't hate Tbates list.
Look closer it's just bullshit. 20-25 except Chronic are all top 10 or atleast top slightly above.
Make Zen vs Dark(?) showmatch
LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THE BEAR
Naaaa man, the disrespect on ajg is maaaad how tf no one got him in the list. These watched rlcs with their backs
Im European but the European bias is crazy from Johnnyboi
how so ?
Safe to say that G2 not qualifying got to TBates' brain. That has got to be the worst list ever made. 😂
Bates is sometimes mistaken!
Bruh I’m a v1 fan but how the hell does tbates have Daniel at 1 when he isn’t even at the major the fuck?
Ok, tbates has a point. putting zen at spot number 10 could end up being pretty accurate. he could be shook by the crowd, as remember this is being held in NA. I think most of what tbates says is crazy, but there’s a chance he would crack under the pressure
NA crowd ain't shaking nobody.
I could be wrong, but were people not saying the same thing about Moist (Team Queso) last year at the Winter major and then they cleaned house😂 barring the final of course
@@ethanluke5130 they werent even shaken in the final they just got tired playing 4 bo7 series in 5 hours
@@ethanluke5130 lmao yea he did, but STILL, there is hope
bruh even if vitality got like top4 zen wouldnt be that bad down. Top 10 for zen would be almost as terrible as top16 for BDS last spring, and predicting that kind of scenario is just dumb even if it's remotely possible to happen
tbates came to debate with this list oh my god
Honestly, the teams are so good at this LAN, that there isn't really any bad picks. Almost all of the teams are good enough to win if they show up
zen at 10 is a bad pick ahah
@@nuno768 Yeah and Daniel at 1 😂 I didn't expect anyone to do anything that ridiculous to be fair
LJ > Zen was DEF proving a point 😭
That desciption LMAO
Daz or Yumi have the best lists
Zen at 10 from TBates?! That's delusional
The first NA born player in johnny's list is 16th and that makes me smile lol
I love how the NA fanboys think Johnny is hating on NA but the region is dead.
@@ryanlunzen9794Even funier is that across the board, there are only 2 NA born players in the top 10, which are AYYJAYY and LJ
Congrats hobongo18 for predicting correct
it used to be funny with tbates bad lists bcz he actually meant them and wasn't trolling. when he is trying this hard to be different or create drama/baiting id rather not see him at all. its not funny at this point and instead cringe and annoing
Daniel can prove he is nr. 1 on the next major. Lets all wish him best of luck.
next major 💀
He has won 1 event in 5 whole splits. And you can't use the bad teamates excuse because all 3 of his old teamates made it to the major and SSG as a whole had their best online split in a long time. He is really talented, but talent alone wont get you wins
At this point he might not even make worlds lmao. If Furia or Optic get out of their side of the upper bracket (Top 6) v1 is out. Sooooo...
I need SSA to just magically win the entire major and make for some wild funny things🙏😂
they aren’t even there bro 😂
@@JamesWilliams-tj4ee oh shit lmao, I'm like tbates with that Daniel pick then lmaooo. Elevate all the way😂😂
the disrespect on retals is crazy
bates making the worst takes so that whenever he's wrong he can pull the "I'm joking" card
Tbates impression farming again 😂
Johnny needs to do a better job at ranking players not where their team will place but how they individually will perform as well, he can’t use the argument both ways for every one of these…
At least Daniel won something relating to the spring major😂
We somehow need more bates but also much less bates
Alpha > Vatira
Killeerz > Rw9
If nwpo was here he would be 1st
tbates out of his mind