Tim Staples isn't correctly explaining the Catholic doctrine on atonement unfortunately. In Catholic theology, the sacrifice of Christ does NOT appease the wrath of God nor make payment in the legal sense for our salvation. One can say Christ makes payment, but MUST elaborate that it is not a legal sense (just as St. Aquinas made sure to do). Christ assumed human flesh to unite us to himself and then offered himself up unto death through self-sacrificial love, offering an aroma that was more pleasing to the Father than the stench of the sin of humanity. This in conjunction with his resurrection brought universal atonement (not to be confused with universalism) for the entire human race, enabling each of us to participate in the divine love of the Holy Trinity, if by His grace we so desire. Without the incarnation, humanity would not have been wedded to God, nor could have made an offering. The beauty of God is that through Christ He uses the ultimate sin of humanity (crucifying Christ) to bring about the salvation of the world. He provided the sacrifice. He became our sacrifice.
He bore our iniquities, or in your translation "faults " not in the sense that God punished Him for what we did, but in the sense that He grieved over them all, in solidarity with us. That is what it means that the Lord laid on Him the iniquity/faults of us all. He suffered the consequences of sin (suffering, grief, death), by entering into solidarity with us, entering into our fallen world, and allowing Himself to suffer in it with us, for us, even by us.
Catholics generally don’t get to hear about the “atonement” because in the liturgical books and the Bible versions used in the liturgy instead use, as mandated by Liturgicam Autenticam, “expiation” or “propitiation.” Think of our Catholic propensity to choose deep language or hard to understand words as constituting sacred language!
No, grace is about restoration since due to the fall humanity is alienated from God. The only was that reconciliation between sinful man and God who is sinless is One who would act as a substitute. This is what Christ did. So He stood in my place. He took my guilt and punishment. Another way to say this is that God can not overlook sin. All sin must be punished or God would be unjust. You will appreciate that in a human court the judge would be corrupt to let the guilty go free. The punishment must fit the crime. Well even more so at a divine level but for God's grace to be dispensed His justice must be satisfied. This Christ did completely! God IS good!
I just listened to a video of Robert Sungenis saying that Christ did not pay our debt. Is there an original source in the catechism or Council that supports this teaching?
Tim Staples isn't correctly explaining the Catholic doctrine on atonement unfortunately. In Catholic theology, the sacrifice of Christ does NOT appease the wrath of God nor make payment in the legal sense for our salvation. One can say Christ makes payment, but MUST elaborate that it is not a legal sense (just as St. Aquinas made sure to do). Christ assumed human flesh to unite us to himself and then offered himself up unto death through self-sacrificial love, offering an aroma that was more pleasing to the Father than the stench of the sin of humanity. This in conjunction with his resurrection brought universal atonement (not to be confused with universalism) for the entire human race, enabling each of us to participate in the divine love of the Holy Trinity, if by His grace we so desire. Without the incarnation, humanity would not have been wedded to God, nor could have made an offering. The beauty of God is that through Christ He uses the ultimate sin of humanity (crucifying Christ) to bring about the salvation of the world. He provided the sacrifice. He became our sacrifice.
He bore our iniquities, or in your translation "faults " not in the sense that God punished Him for what we did, but in the sense that He grieved over them all, in solidarity with us. That is what it means that the Lord laid on Him the iniquity/faults of us all. He suffered the consequences of sin (suffering, grief, death), by entering into solidarity with us, entering into our fallen world, and allowing Himself to suffer in it with us, for us, even by us.
Catholics generally don’t get to hear about the “atonement” because in the liturgical books and the Bible versions used in the liturgy instead use, as mandated by Liturgicam Autenticam, “expiation” or “propitiation.” Think of our Catholic propensity to choose deep language or hard to understand words as constituting sacred language!
What makes "punishment", just? It seems to me that justice has to do with restoration and restitution.
No, grace is about restoration since due to the fall humanity is alienated from God. The only was that reconciliation between sinful man and God who is sinless is One who would act as a substitute. This is what Christ did. So He stood in my place. He took my guilt and punishment. Another way to say this is that God can not overlook sin. All sin must be punished or God would be unjust. You will appreciate that in a human court the judge would be corrupt to let the guilty go free. The punishment must fit the crime. Well even more so at a divine level but for God's grace to be dispensed His justice must be satisfied. This Christ did completely! God IS good!
I just listened to a video of Robert Sungenis saying that Christ did not pay our debt. Is there an original source in the catechism or Council that supports this teaching?
not a great performance by mr staples, this doesn't do credit to Catholic theology.
God's wrath is anthropomorphic? Who knew?
If "Catholic Answers" videos could be supported with facts and logic, comments wouldn't be disabled for most of them. How cowardly.