Why did Ducati Give Up the V-Twin Engine?
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Not everyone can afford fuel on the new V4 like everyone could afford fuel 20years ago on the flagship inline 4...
You can have an R6 inline 4 120HP
The average rider doesn’t tune their suspension.
1500miles after a suspension tuner tunes the hydraulics it goes back to pogo stick mode which chews tyres and cannot get a pace faster. Unless you keep tuning.
Then you can have Aprilia RS660 Parallel twin 98hp and is lighter than inline 4, Non adjustable damper suspension.
If cannot tune the R6 fully adjustable suspension and having more power....
It will chew tyres x2 faster than the RS660 as they sit.
Unless can use that suspension technology to what it’s designed for. Optimum tyre wear and pace....their is not much difference, to someone with non adjustable technology.
All that technology....
Good joke.
30 Ducati models have a V2, only 6 a V4.
So Ducati gave up the V2, huh?
have they drastically cut back on premium 2 cylinder options?
Holy SHIT the Aprilia sounds so damn good.
They will never 100% give up the 90° V-Twin, at least I certainly hope not. The sound of that engine is so distinct and unforgettable it would be a crying shame for it to go away. Polyphony Digital the developer for the Grand Turismo series years ago made in my view one of the greatest games ever, Tourists Trophy for the PS2 which I still own (no ps2 though) and the sound of the 999 is so sweet. The game is great since it is one of the few ps2 titles that can display 1080 it still looks great today and the lineup of bikes is cool the Honda NR 750 is even a hidden bike. But back to Ducati, I pray they never kill their V-Twin...
Thanks Yam brother for this, as a Ducatista I appreciate this. Man, the Pani sounds so good & it has sexier lines than the Aprilia however I will say the Aprilia does sound a bit better, put the Arrow Pro Race full exhaust on the Pani & it sounds even better. I'm lucky to have owned 3 Ducs, currently have a Diavel 1260s & it's just a beast!
I love this style of vid, you have a knack for making technical info clear and fun. Not many can do that well
I love the the V4 engine in some of my bikes (Desmosedici w/gp exhaust and rsv4 factory)totally unique power delivery. The music they play is a beautiful Symphony!
That sweet Honda VFR sound... glorious
After I upgraded the exhaust, my 1203 cc V-twin 2008 Buell XB12X Ulysses sounds like a big fishing boat, and it still runs great to this day. None of the bikes here even come close!
Aprilia V4 sounds best 😍 ... the new V2 is cool too; looks sleek and flickable ... 😘
My understanding of the cause for desmo valve timing was that in the earlier days of high performance engines the valve springs would break due to inferior alloys. With the advent of superior alloys desmo timing has become obsolete.
Depending on the rev limiter. With classic valve springs a 1000 cc four cylinder engine can rev up to a little more than 15,000 rpm. For higher revs desmodromic or pneumatic valves are still the choice. But who knows what material science brings us in the future.
In the late 1960's my dad set up a 250 Ducati spring valve version that was raced against desmo versions in on a 1/4 drag course in Los Angeles. He smoked them and got a little plaque for his victory. Though the Italians definately mastered the art of the Desmo. They were so good they assisted Mercedes with there desmo's in the in the 1950's
You must mention the significance of the counter-rotating crank....handling.
I love all your vids but for me this was the best one so far! Thanks man!
The Aprilia sounds much better
Thanks for another interesting and informative video Yam👍🏻
I pretty much love everything ducati does. I wish I could afford one of each.
Can we get a review of that VFR?
Pretty please?
Spite actually has one up on his channel.
@@yammienoob Thanks Yamster, any chance you can throw a link to said channel?
Kawasaki and Rae kicking ducatis butt for for 8 years in SBK is the reason the V4 came back! V twin just can’t compete! You can see the improvements in motogp and sbk since v4 came out
Now for the important shit when will we see Yammie noob thermal clothing to keep riding during this winter
Ducati always has to have more displacement to keep up with the Japanese.
I just have to wonder why you flashed a picture of Steve Wozniak near the end of the video. I'm a nerd so it's always good to see Woz but can't figure what he has to do with Ducati V-Twins.
It makes sense for power and efficiency. Haven't heard one in person. Yet
I just looked at the 2022 Ducati advertisement and Ducati still offers V-twins?
The ducatistas don't feel like the 1199 and 1299 are bred ducatis, we are talking 1098s/r 1198 999s/r 916/998/996 those were the true ducatis. Regardless, a nice video mate, good looks.
Why the photo of an MV Agusta F3 in this Ducati piece?
That Aprilia sounds like pure sex!
Um, real question here:
Does yamaha R6's system valve suffer from valve float when it runs to max rpm which is 16k rpm?
The R6 has 150cc cylinders and tiny valves. It is a huge amount easier to control tiny valves for a 150cc cylinder than the much larger valves for a 600cc cylinder
@@paulstandeven8572 how about motogp?
@@adityajonathanmamahit2889 MotoGP bikes use pneumatic valves (except Ducati of course). Since they switched from classic valve springs to pneumatic ones they made a big step in terms of engine power.
They did not abandon twins. They did, however, develop the awesome Desmosedici out of necessity for racing purposes which why they sell bikes. End of story.
The music reminds me of Tom and Jerry haha. Nice.
Desmo valves still have return Springs
They dumped the V twin because it's like you on a bike. Shit. It was only competitive in WSB because they were allowed to run a bigger engine displacement and on the street it had a bigger displacement to keep up with the smaller engined BMW and Kwakazaki bikes.
They don't have valve springs so they can charge you $400 for an oil service and as an excuse to run at lower RPM's.
Interesting Video but bare in mind theres significant differences between the V4 Engine used in the Desmosedici RR and the V4 used in the current Panigale range.
Agreed, but we did mention that they weren't the same.
Likely, V-4’s will forever be my favorite configuration, but it raises a question: When the ICE age ends, will it be with a bang or a suck ‘n blow?
Aprilia sound was the best
Whichever engine has longer miles between belt and valve services.
Is it not that BMW?
Its bmw then
I actually thought the Duc sounded better; deeper throatier sounding by a tad
RSV4 all day!
Hey Yammie how did you feel about the new vfr800?
The best V4 is 65° V4 used by both the RSV4 and VFR800..
In a perfect world Rossi would’ve stayed with Yamaha after the Honda departure and got the 10 wins slipped back some until recently I’d say maybe last year he’d switch to Ducati and get one last win maybe more then retire
They did not give up the v2??
For the top spec superbike, they did. And their V4 will make it's way into more and more of their bikes (see the new streetfighter)
@@yammienoob yes that's true. But isn't the new V2 Panigale some kind of "top spec superbike" too?
@@CupraRoemu that is entry level or mid segment
@@CupraRoemu No. Somehow in today's world, 155HP and full electronics isn't "top spec" but that's progress. The Panigale V2 is Ducati's entry point to the race-ready sportbikes in their lineup.
Where's the ducati sponsorship !!
Were the service cost and maintenance of your Daytona's low compared to other bikes in the price point
The dulcid tones of the yam, how I missed it!
dulcet
Its sounds so deep and loud in real life
Where tf are the short shorts tho
Hey man bald is back in style.
I wish I was bald gd I hate this cruel world!
I wonder if the desmodromic design (no valve springs) is more efficient and powerful than engines with valve springs? Or are they not very efficient?
Of course they have better efficiency. Why else would Ducati use such a complex system?
Chihuahua are cute too!
They're all good. Duc or Ape too, who's dissing any of these?
Only farm tractor Harleys deserve hating!!! 😂
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I've got so many other subscriptions that I can't subscribe to your TH-cam channel if I wanted to anyways.
I LOVED THE TESTASTRETTA, fuck me.
Weiner dogs are also the most stubborn breed of dog.
I feel left out. You always mention the diavels but never the xdiavel.
what else to expect from Volkswagen ? 🌚they just replace old series of engine with a modern one so ducati get a more efficient engine
Yes the Aprilia sound better , but you could have used the Honda 1200F instead of the 800 !
Honda vfr 1200 f. Best sounding v4
Cuz MO POWA BABEEEE
Get this man to one million do the prophecy gets fulfilled
Vfr and rsv4 sounds a bit similar
Did you mention piston speed?
it makes no different it will never start on sunny day.
1.31am in Singapore now just to watch the vid😂
Just wait for the V6..
Getting my first bike Kawa 636 the only downside , it doesnt habe abs 2004 40tkm is alright for 3 k right?
even Suzuki has SV 650 and they can also make a v4
Dark soul 47 I wanted to say the sv650 is one of the nicest motorcycle out there, but you best me to it. I have owned an 04 SV650 s and love it. Just bought my next bike, a near new 2010 SV 650s. After years of owning one it was the only bike I wanted. Best bike I have owned, riding since 1972 so had a few. It is the perfect "real world" middle weight motorcycle. There is a reason it is virtually unchanged since 1999 and is still highly rated. Definitely an affordable bike to purchase and operate.
Came here just to say that thumbnail looked like a jojo’s stand at first sight
I wonder what rhymes with motorcycle scholar. Lol
I'm surprised you didnt include daytona destroyer to the intro 🤔
Ducati has newer race motoGp?? Ducati is motoGP
Vfr800 sounds like a r3
Yam - you really should search your gmail (noob2) for "Ducati V4S" :D
Sick
bikes, bikes, bikes .... :- 1
Not all engines rotarys dont
Yo, smelly poo - don't blame Ducati for Rossi's failure. He blamed the bike too. Casey won a world championship racing for Ducati.
What did Rossi achieve at Ducati?
Zero.
It's the man, not the machine.
What's this thing called yammie noob?
They haven’t given up the v twin
What is floating a valve? Too simple. Floating a valve is like sticking your body out (the valve) in front of a rail train (the piston) moving at full speed
Valve float is when the spring can't de compress fast enough to push the valve etc into the cam fast enough to keep up with the cam, so it means losing compression, air/fuel, and potentially damaging the cam as it does eventually close the bucket will impact the cam when the idea is it runs along the cam surface and the csm controls the close speed of the valve. Desmodromic systems were developed to combat this issue by mechanically pushing the valve closed via a second cam profile on the camshaft operating a rocker rocket which closes the valve. Valve float was a big problem at one time on high revving 4 stroke racing engines as springs needed to be stronger to keep up with aggressive cam profiles at high speed but materials weren't available yet to cope with the compressing of the valve spring as the valve opened and still be stiff enough to close fast enough without risk of the spring snapping. Improvements in material have narrowed that desmo advantage and pneumatic valve systems have leveled the field in purpose built racing engines like in motogp.
Simple.
Because they suck like Harley, they need too !!!
Ducati may have given up the v-twin engine, but I'll never give up my papa yam
They didn’t truly gave up. They still have the baby panigale v2. Still a lot of power 150+hp.
Oh, give me that Aprilia V4 any day!
I loved my 959 , fast revving engine , lots of torque , smooth and capable . But once you ride v4 you feel another set of emotions
Yeah, it usually involves a ray of light and a heavenly choir.
Force V4ever
The new Pinigale V2 seems like a better bike for the road. The V4 is flat out scary to push to the limits.
VFR sounds the best, while saving you a hell lot of money too.
The aprilia sounds godly
You like Dachshunds because they look like yams with legs.
Angle between cylinders and the crankshaft alignment can change the sound and power delivery.
Much like cross plane vs flat plane for inline 4 cylinder engines.
Jordan Peterson?
Is it just me or does the rsv4 sound better than the desmo?
yup
Coz the angle of camshaft, v4 90° rsv4 65°
Definitely the RSV-4 sounds way way way better. Maybe that’s just not the ideal exhaust for the Ducati ?
The sound comparisons were somewhat misleading since they all seemed to have aftermarket exhausts. My 2016 Aprilia RSV4 with a stock exhaust sounds very different from the one in the sound comparison (I prefer the stock sound). And my 2019 Panigale V4 Speciale has the Ducati-supplied Akropovic exhaust and also sounds very different (and better, IMHO).
@@rjw_utah you dont even have one.
The Yam has RETURNED
I never leave bb
This was classic Yamster! Well done, though it would have been worth noting the cylinder firing order among the three bikes whose exhaust note you compared. Good to have you back Yam.
Aprilia's got the best sound
11 minutes? More cylinders, more power.
More peak horse power more rpm and more fuel used.
More parts more money
Ducati did incredible things with their twin. They reached a practical limit with the twin though.
Exactly, I wanna see KTM score a podium with their twin, let alone winning world titles.
@@ampm9771
I'd like to see KTM build more parallel twins that don't eat cam lobes in 10k klms. 😂
@jamescampbell4334 yeah, you pointed out one of KTM's very well. Like you'll need to replace oil pump every 2000km on a KTM, or oil every 1000km.
I like the twin so I can claim some kind of similarity to all the Harley guys here in Indiana. Since we're both riding "V twins" they seem a little more accepting. Some of them even think it's pretty cool.
You *want* Harley owner approval?
Not really. Outnumbered 500 to 1 however, some semblance of commonality is nice to have.
@@Druwoods you mean like having 2 wheels?
You'd think that would be enough.
I have a road glide and a 1199. Trying to compare them is like comparing a human and a mouse just be cause we have 85% of the same DNA......
My 2001 VFR sounded like an angry sewing machine. Last of the gear driven cams. RIP.
Opinion: Aprilia V4 sounds best. The "big bang" or "Twin Pulse" firing order of the V4 just makes it sound like a weird V2, which I've never been a fan of anyway. Rolling down the 405 at 90mph the V2 exhaust note just sounds like a pissed-off Cub Cadet.
The V4R is the only ducati that actually takes advantage of the desmo valves, even though 600cc bikes have hit 16,000 rpm on valve springs. It's been nothing but an additional cost for no gain. And you said "the engine was more reliable..." Show your work.
Make a video and show us how it's done. Commenting is easy, creating is hard.
Hahaha I'm glad you shit on this keyboard cowboy yammie, but the rsv4 sounds waaaay better.
@@yammienoob Show how *what* is done. I stated an opinion, then facts on how anything Desmo has done, valve springs have done. Doesn't take a video to prove that.
The Honda sounds better
Your mom sounds better.
IMO , I prefer the sound of the Ducati V4 . It's just sound more mechanical to me and I like that .
"Dashuns"
>DASHUNS
*DASHUNS*
Dachshund. German. I can get "docks hound," "docks hoond," or the rare one that says it like "datsund." That dog breed has a name that has officially been murdered on this day.
And if yammie bothers reading through all that, this is a nitpicky detail because the rest of the video was awesome.
You guys are annoying
@@yammienoob
Welcome home, pappa yam!