How the Weasley Twins Knew What to Bet Ludo Bagman | Harry Potter Film Theory
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Today J dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to finally reveal How Fred and George Weasley knew EXACTLY what to bet Ludo Bagman in Goblet of Fire. Ireland wins but Krum catches the Snitch indeed…
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Here's a question idea. Why did the Wizengamot let Dumbledore decide Harry's placement after the Potters died. And bonus question...why didn't any of them check on the boy's safety?
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What if they used the omnioculars? They can look into the past without interacting with it like a recording or video but does so by letting you actually look into the past. Also they have slow motion abilities to slow the passage of time for the observer. It may be possible to force the time dilation and tunneling effects simultaneously which would theoretically allow the user to look at any point in time so long as they can meet the power requirements but as we know from cannon even powerful time magic has major limits so it's safe to assume the amount of time one could see into the future with this method would far less than as it would require the power source to energize both operations simulatiously
i think instead of the twins intercepting Percy's time turner, Arthur had one. If Percy went to return his, and it's missing, there would be an investigation into it. However, if Arthur had one for any reason, it would be easy to swipe without anyone's knowing. If Arthur doesn't know where it went, then he could easily assume that he either returned it (if it was gone for an extended period of time), or that he simply misplaced it and will find it later.
But, Arthur's also a part of the MOM, so, him getting access to one wouldn't be that hard. He could either be given one for his job (maybe he has to use it occasionally to find missing magical items among the muggles), or, he managed to get the paperwork done to get one, or, even just managed to swipe one for himself, and either forged documents for it, or took it at an opportune time (not sure if he's the type to steal a time turner however). In which case, if he loses it, he can't report it as missing to the ministry as they'd have to have 2 investigations, 1 into him having stolen one, and one into the secondary theft.
But, I do think that Arthur had one (probably legitimately), and that the twins swiped it at some point and then used it. It's likely that Arthur keeps it locked up somewhere where his kids (theoretically) can't get to it, and only pulls it out when he needs to go to work, and the twins happened to have found it at some point, and use it occasionally, with this event being one of those use cases.
@@plotholedetective4166 that’s what I was gonna say!
I think the coolest thing about this theory is that it's possible that only one twin would have to use the time turner. They could simply have planned for George to go hide and then have Fred and Future Fred walking around together and making the bet.
Yeah, no one would be able to tell the difference between the twins
That would be hilarious, since it's shown that even their own parents struggle to tell them apart. This makes the theory so much more believable and funnier.
I'm surprised no one caught this while making this video. I really hope they address this later, lol.
Wait I like this interpretation better
Excellent! And it's even easier than that: Much simpler to just hide somewhere during the match (say, just outside the stadium), and then just use the time turner once to go back to make the bet and attend the match. They don't say anything so as not to give away the fact that they already know the outcome. If they don't want to violate the "5-hour limit" they can go back in two hops. And yes, it would still work if even just one of them did it.
i would love to see how you explain two items from Chamber
1. How did dobby actually stop the letters from being delivered to harry? Did dobby just hangout at 4 privet drive 24 hours a day and steal the letters from the owl? How could he do this and serve the malfoys?
2. Why are the Flesh Eating Slugs ruining all the cabbages? Call me crazy, but i assume a flesh eating slug would eat flesh.
About 2. - How sure are we it's the slugs that are flesh-eating, and not the repellant? Like, "flesh-eating slug repellant" might also mean it's a flesh-eating repellant against regular slugs? At least that's what I always interpreted into it
@@Tytolus I feel like if it a "repellent" eats flesh, then it's not right to advertise it as a repellent because it only eats flesh, it won't stop the slugs from coming
I love the idea of Dobby just being like. Okay this is when the owls leave to deliver mail. Then he teleports to privet drive, wrestles the letter from Hedwig and returns to the Malfoys before they notice he's gone.
1: Elf magic is different from human magic. Dobby can Apparate to places which would be inaccessible to humans, like Hogwarts or Malfoy manor. He also has the power to lok certain "gateways", like the one that leads to Platform 9 3/4. That's my theory. The "ancient love magic" spell Dumbledore used to protect Harry at Privet Drive only locks humans out. Probably it blocks AApparition in the house, as everyone either arrives there through the door or the fireplace. Dobby can exploit the loophole. Locks the barrier around the house so that owls can't pass. They get confused, circle around, then Dobby Apparates there once a day, steals the letters, then goes back to serve the Malfoys. The owls never reach Harry, and it's mentioned no owl ever came that summer.
2: I always thought Hagrid lied.
Flesh-eating slugs could be omnivores. Many animals eat both plants and meat. Normal slugs don't eat human flesh, though. So, a slug that does so in addition to the more typical slug diet would be notable enough that it would be named by that oddity.
Them simply observing Krum well enough to recognize his ego, while knowing how much better the Irish team is, is enough explenation for me.
Right? That's what I was thinking. Like, these kids love quidditch. They'd pay attention to that sort of thing.
Right. Like, J keeps saying how the bet made no sense, except it obviously did, because it's exactly what happened. Therefore it's not at all out of the realm of possibility that Fred and George would have studied the Ireland and Bulgaria teams and their main players thoroughly beforehand, expecting to make extra cash with bets. I mean, who goes around carrying their entire life savings with them? They clearly were already planning on doing some betting (which, in a big event like this, is pretty much a guarantee is gonna happen), I'm sure they studied the possibilities really well and knew it probably mattered more to Krum to catch the snitch than to win.
Two social and logical geniuses who love quiditch, guessing a rare outcome with a bet
Yes, there are plenty of real world examples of bets like that, even ones more detailed. Like not only who wins, but how many points each player scores, which sections of the game the points are scored, or even as to how much time passes before the game has been won. And even more outlandish sounding bets out there.
@Gabi. I have friends that are really into baseball, others basketball, and they make predictions that seem like magic to me but then they explain their reasoning and it makes sense.
Alternately they could've gone back in time, told themselves the outcome and waited in the tent and just switched out upon returning to the camp. The quietness could be because since they had directly interacted with their past selves they wanted to ensure there was minimal risk of accidentally altering events.
I think the twins would be ok with meeting their future selves. Non twins would I think would feel weird about it.
@@OneOfDisease Or they just meet with the other twin, so future George meets with past Fred and future Fred meets with past George. Alternatively, I am sure they could just send a message to each other...
if they were planning this all along all they had to do is make sure that they (or at least one of them) are not around ludo the first time he is taking bets, go watch the game quietly so that they are not the center of attention for once and when the game is finished immediately slip somewhere unseen and travel back in time. then they go to ludo (only the one not present in case they had the other one trail ludo to know where he will have been in the past) and make the bet. the future twins then go ahead and spend the rest of the day in hiding only to be exactly where they used the timeturner to travel back and "be in normal time again".
them returning can be the exact moment where they are described in the story again and their smug grin is because they just spent the entire day knowing that they will win the bet.
If this theory is correct and making the assumption you cannot go forward, Fred and George slip away from the main cast and catch the game somewhere else or miss it entirely and wait for the result. Then they go back in time, and it's future Fred and George with the main cast, making the bet, and watching the game. This is why they're unnaturally quiet. When you already know the outcome, it's hard to get excited.
@@riffbwexcept I don't think they were unnaturally quiet. If one was using a means to go back in time to do something shady, they'd have to know to fake things as well. Since Fred and George are known for being loud, somebody would've noticed if they weren't being their usual selves and would've called them out in it; most likely Arthur or Ginny as they are most observant.
So Percy lost a lot time turner, but was given a job at the ministry, yes that seems somewhat on par.
I'm thinking Fred and George had prepared for the moment by making something that looked like the time turner. They weren't going to test it when they got it back. So, after Percy stopped needing it for classes, Fred and George made the switch, Percy turned in the fake, and no one knew the real one was missing.
Neighbouring the British government for all of the 21st century, and that's pretty much what happens a bit too often.
I’d assume they put it back where Percy kept it after they used it. He wasn’t checking on its safety in the summer. Or he was but they put a fake one in its place for a while. Percy wouldn’t be using it in the summer so he wouldn’t know it’s fake.
To be honest considering most Ministry employees can't figure out to use a simple catch-all reversal spell like "finite incantartum" to stop a rain spell and can't produce even a basic protection spell to literally save their lives. I really don't think they'd be that attentive of equipment checks especially when there's paperwork verifying the lendee as being reliable and trustworthy.
I love it! I read the GOF over 10 times now and I never noticed that. This is why HP is such a great story, you always discover new POV even after multiple readings.
"Nope ! Welcome to a theory inside a theory." 😂😂😂 I laughed SO LOUDLY 😂😂😂
I remember the "Percy has a time turner" video was the first SCB vid i ever watched. It was so convincing, i subbed and have been a dedicated fan ever since. ❤❤
Same!
Are sure they won’t just settle for half shares of an eel farm he could just pay them with that
I mean they gave the map to Harry around Christmas. So they could have known about Hermione but considering that Percy was already doing it. They knew that she was doing the same thing too.
Time Turner wouldn't have put them in the spot they traveled from, just at a different time. That is the way the movie has them work. The book puts Hermione and Harry in the Entrance Hall when they traveled back in time from the Hospital Wing (10 meters from where their past selves were hiding before going to Hagrid's).
Cool theory, but regarding Krum's decision to catch the snitch. Think of it as a way to save the Bulgarian team's image. A loss of 160-170 looks a lot better in papers than a loss of something like 3500-200. The Irish were dominating the match and Krum understood that it would look better for his team if the gap was small. If he let the game go on for a long time and they lost with a huge gap, many people would ridicule them potentially. This way they may have lost but at least they got the snitch and the match was close, not a complete curbstomp. It's even possible that was the strategy of the Bulgarian team going in. Catch the snitch as fast as you can, even if it means they lose.
One thing that always got me about the Time Turners was that it is said you'd go mad if you saw yourself because you couldn't accept who you saw was you. Do identical twins have that problem? They constantly see someone who is identical to them in voice and looks so if you did approach your past self it wouldn't immediately click what you are seeing is you, just your twin.
One part I think was missed that doesnt add up. Exactly when did they steal the time turner, and how did they avoid suspicion? The time turners were presumably logged out of the ministry when they were issued to Percy/Hermione. And with the use of a time turner requiring special approval from someone such as McGonnagal, we can also assume that the ministry knows who has them and knows when they can expect them to be returned. Percy finished year 7 at Hogwarts before the World Cup took place. An object so carefully regulated would not likely be something that a student, even Percy, could be trusted to take home at the end of the year. It’s reasonable to assume that the ministry would require Percy leave the time turner with McGonnagal before taking the train back to King’s Cross. If Fred and George had managed to take it at all, they would have taken it from Percy beofre the train ride, so he could not hand it in. McGonnagal would notice it was missing and have reproted it to the ministry. Granted, all of that could happen off page, but for Percy to keep secure his ministry job immediately after misplacing a heavily regulated magical object does seem highly unlikely, no matter how many good grades he got. The only possible way out of this is if McGonnagal managed to cover for Percy to give him time to find the time turner. McGonngal may have done so to protect Percy’s job, but the weeks it would take for the time turner to be returned would raise some eyebrows.
The "You're cool with it right" really got me in the end (i mean it was really funny to me)
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I got one issue with this theory so far, if the twins did do that why didn't they do something about the death eaters that would be coming
Still works if time turner does only go backwards. They know to hide around the time of the bet, wait until the game, watch it in silence as they are waiting to go back in time once over to make the bet they his from earlier; Krum gets the snitch, they go back in time, make the bet with Ludo, and interact with everyone like it's all normal up until the game where they dip out and hide while past them watches the game. They sneak up to the top box, knowing how long it'll take to get up there and for the game to take, so that they can get there just after they go back in time to meet Ludo for their winnings.
This theory works both way, and I think it's for sure how the boys did it
Before watching whole thing... The Weasley's have an ancestor who was a Seer and that gift has been given to the boys
For example: (Chamber of Secrets, Ron while looking at the award Tom Riddle got) 'Maybe he killed myrtle that would make everyone happy.'
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What are the problems with it?
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So one moment they wouldn't recklessly bet their life savings and the next, they are reckless enough to go past the 5 hour limit? Fun theory but doesn't seem as plausible as your others. 😂❤
What if they just duck out & hide when they see Ludo, go back after the match ends and place a bet with Ludo after they'd ducked out? They'd have all the context of conversation, have never met themselves, and only use the simple mode of the thing turner.
F&G were there when the death eaters started their fun (so technically not the entire chapter ad you mentioned, a large chunk of it)
Bill got 12 OWLS if I remember, to what we're to as the audience he never used one.
They didn't notice Wormtail next to Ron probably because they didn't look at his position on the map.
This has always been one of the biggest plot holes imo. How the heck did they never notice some random person/name always around Ron. Like, did they just not care at all about what he was doing, so they always ignored him? Same with when Harry receives the map. He doesn't notice either.
@@green7449 I've already mentioned why Gred amd Forge (if you know you know) probably didn't notice.
As for Harry... He didn't use the map when Ron had Scabbers near him aka when in the dorm so that may explain that plot hole.
We could all write a gazillion books on the series plot holes.
@@green7449 , I agree that it is a plot hole, but, just to play Devil's advocate here, they never needed to know where Ron was. If the map shows every single person in the castle, that is a ton of people walking around. For Fred and George, they are only using the map for specific purposes, like knowing if someone will be in their way when they are trying to sneak somewhere. Plus, even if they had seen the name 'Peter Pettigrew' around Ron at some point, they probably don't know all of Ron's classmates well enough to say there wasn't a student named Peter in Gryffindor. Remus, on the other hand, knows exactly who Peter is and is actively looking for him/Ron (in the movie, Harry told Remus that Peter's name had shown up, while in the book, Remus was watching Harry and friends as they were out on the grounds when they weren't supposed to be).
I need some perspective on this.. in the goblet of fire.. why didn’t the twins go back over the line after getting beards to submit their names??
Fred and george could have hid away from their family and watched the cup from lomewhere else and the travelled to the past to place the bet and watch the match normally this way you don't have to rely on the chance of the timeturner being able to travel to the future.
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Try saying that five times faster.
"Percy's precocious sense of purpose"
"Percy's precocious sense of purpose"
"Percy's precocious sense of purpose" 😂😂😂😂
Probably my new favorite theory!
@supercarlinbrothers Have you played the Harry Potter game? It was so fun to see the magic come to life in an interactive way, and you could tell how big of fans the creators are of the series.
This makes the most sense aside from Fred and George being Seers who don't brag about it.
I was literally thinking the same thing a couple days ago as I was listening to the series again.
I feel like Krum ended the match because of the full on mascot riot happening on the pitch below him. He was probably concerned that if the game went on much longer spectators would get hurt.
Krum is best boy.
18:59 Ludo deserves it anyways since he scams everyone
Percy for sure had a time turner.
Crazy theory Ron, has divination powers. all his predictions in the series come true
I think it’s entirely possible they were just betting on Krum’s personality and temperament costing Bulgaria the game, but you have crafted a wonderful theory here and the events do seem to line up.
the main problem with not being seen by yourself in the past is that it could disturb you and make you go crazy, if I remember it correctly from Hermoine? Well and that they are supposed to be a secret I guess. But Fred&George already now that it at least causes a duplication and I would assume if they had gotten their hands on a time turner they would test that thing out to its limits to understand how it works and what it actually does. They are inventors afterall. So in their case I would assume that they have no problem seeing their own future/past selves and as they are 2 people to begin with their options on how to use it would be a lot more compared to Percy or Hermoine
I don’t think that they had to go into the future, fred and george could have just time traveled into the past after the world cup final ended to place the bet w bagman
All they had to do was watch the entire game like normal, get the outcome, then travel back and make the bet..... far simpler than trying to overextended the rules of the time turner
Carlin brothers making these good theories
I think Krum probably just had the score wrong and thought that it was tied or they were winning when he went after the snitch
I have a suggestion for your what-if series "what if Voldemort went to live with Tom Riddle SR instead of Wool's orphanage"
There might be way simpler version of events:)
1. Fred&George are living the day normally
2. They hear about betting
3. They leave for a moment
4. They go back AFTER the betting (they don't know the bet but they know they are going to win) and maybe even use their social skills to check what the bet is without being cought
5. They go with everyone to see the match
6. They confront Ludo about the win
7. They hide in toilet that is out od service and use time turner
8. They go back and actually do the betting when their passed selfs are away
9. They hide in the toilet and put out of service card outside and wait for their passed copies to come without 3aby care of obeying the no see tyle3:)
I'm not sure if this is book accurate but its does not require any changes of how time turners works:)
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The fact that seers exist should be evidence that at least some aspect of time travel into the future exist
It’s been a very long time sense I read the books but my thought is that Krum was forced to catch the snitch in order to prevent Ireland from catching it. The only other possibility is that Krum himself was betting on the outcome. (Durmstrang doesn’t have a good reputation when it comes to morals/ethics)
The only thing that confuses me is how did they use the time turner in the present when they were all talking about the bet without being seen?
I really thought that the time traveling twins would be making the bet...
As in they watch how it happens IRL, then immediately after the game travel back in time to make the bet with Ludo Bagman, in which case the real twins would only need to hide for ten minutes.
I feel like Fred and George could bypass the "can't interact with yourself" clause of the Time Turners. Those 2 would easily accept that they have indeed traveled back in time to give themselves information
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5:46 but wasn't Ireland's seeker almost catching the snitch so if Krum would have waited, they would have losed anyway.
Maybe they made their own time turner.
When I first saw this I was like 'no way they had a time turner' but I love this idea so much! this is going into my Weasley twin fan fic for sure!
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Wait, wouldn’t that also mean that Fred and George had the time turner during the death eater raid and just didn’t go back in time to warn anyone or attempt to stop the death eaters?
I agree with this theory, however what if since they can’t be seen (since they did go back in time) they are the reason Harry doesn’t get spotted by the death eaters?
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You guys should make audio books, reading the series.
I guarantee I’m not the only one that would re”read” the whole series immediately lol
In the book, when Hermione explained how she got the time turner, it is written like she would have to give back the time turner after she used it. I don't think Percy could have kept the time turner.
I think they stole Ron's omnioculars and increased the speed of time a lot and saw that victor krum will get the snitch but Ireland will win. Then, he removed the omnioculars and made the bet with Ludo Bagman. Prof. McGonagalls is going to notice that the time Turner is missing as she is such a responsible character.
What if f&g just put a Gemino spell on Perry's time Turner. Don't think anyone would check
Conveniently they all get destroyed after that
What are your guys' thoughts about this idea of a HP TV series? I mean nobody can replace the OGs & the wonder the movies brought seeing the books come to life for the first time. But there are so many characters & events they left out in the films that I would've loved to have seen on-screen. A bit on the fence with this one.....
Cool theory. It is also possible that Fred and George simply would've hidden if they lost the bet.
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Although I like your theory with forward travel, wouldnt it make more sense for the following to happen?
When Ludo appears, they notice the chance and decide to hide immediately planning for their future selves to slot in. Wait outside the stadium for the score, where it would be easily heard through the announcements, not that they banked on it. They probably were intending to speak to the first people out of the stadium "oh no, is it over already? What happened?"
Then go back to the camp as the rest of the Weasleys and Harry and Hermione are in the stadium still, return to ludo and take the place.
This makes more sense to me.
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Wood ACTUALLY told Harry repeatedly they needed to be MORE than 50 points in the lead before he could catch the snitch. 😛(And Harry got more and more annoyed because he had gotten it the very first time Wood said it)
I'm not a big enough fan of Harry Potter to know the rules of their Time Travel, but what I understand from this video is that adding traveling to the future made this more complicated than it needs to be.
most of the time(no pun intended) Time Travel rules dictate that you avoid your past self, So with it dealing with twins and a limited amount you can go back.( I like to think that the 5 hrs isn't a rule but more of a limitation of the time turners abilities) Fred and George could easily "telephone game" through time to send a message back as far as 5 hours before they obtained the Time Turner. For example: They watch the game, Fred goes back tells past George the highlights and then if need be past George use Turner to tell further past Fred the highlights. That right there covers at least 10 hours. Time Travel can be confusing but as long as there are set rules to a show, movie, book, Etc.'s universe then it's easier to follow.
Edit: thinking about it, If they had a time turner why they get rid of it? Because George definitely would have used the Turner to go back and try to save Fred. or it could of been they got caught with it and it was destroyed.
I love the idea but Id definitely just say that the Twins traveled BACK after the match and either left a note or placed the bet themselves.
I like this theory. It seems to fit their character.
Really great theory.
I don't think it's actually that outlandish that Krum decided to catch the snitch, because it's more that Bulgaria was losing and were going to keep losing as the game carried on, so after a short while of Krum seeing how his team would do, he decides to end the match
Anytime time travel is in a story it breaks so many things. Even this short range item would have doomed things with this in play. Nothing in the story could be cannon or final as it could all be changed. Time is the ultimate power.
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Are the Weasleys Irish? Because most English and Scottish people aren’t too attached to Ireland, and vice versa.
They're English
@@mienfu9824 That’s what I thought. Therefore, Ireland is not one of their home nations
you made it too compllicated with the jumping forward in time thing. Using the standard going back in time deal, all they would have to do is: when they see Ludo placing bets, get the idea to watch the game and then go back and tell themselves the outcome so they can bet on it. Or leave themselves a note or something. Then, they go watch the game (hiding, like you say) and instantly travel back in time once the game is over, then tell the past themselves what to bet on. Since they already did this, the main timeline goes like this:
1. they see Ludo making bets and hatch the plan
2. future them magic a note into past them's pockets with instructions on what to bet and where and when to time-turn to
3. they go watch the game, and then at the coordinated time and place, they time-turn into the past and future them assume their places
You'd think there would be some form of regulation in place (magical or otherwise) to prevent time-turners from being used for gambling? That would seem like very obviously abusable thing if not tightly controlled?
Yall should do full life stories on certain characters. I feel yall would do it justice.
I had a different idea, when the time of betting comes, Fred and George can just hide some place far away because they are confident that their future selves (after the match) will come and place the bet. They are confident because they have the Time Turner and will definitely go back. Then present Fred and George just wait for the match to be over, hear the results and go back. This time THEY will place the bets while the last Fred and George will hide at the specific place. Sounds more plausible than going in the future. Anyone reading this and have questions reply and I'll try to answer them.
Time turner theory (Feel free to steal it): There only ever was 1 time turner and the way you make a "new" one is to go back in time (so then there is suddenly two time turners, etc. etc.) That also explains why they couldn't just "make more" once the time turners were destroyed. Destroy one of them (actually because of how time travel works in the HP universe you could only ever destroy the oldest version) -> destroy all of them, forever. THE time turner is just as legendary an item as the elder wand, the cloak or the resurrection stone - even MORE so.
I think that Fred and George are just very clever and experienced in the outcome of risky decisions.
Because they are constantly working out the outcome of their shenanigans. Like figuring out the map.
They jokingly worked it out.
Well Ireland will score more points but Krum will get the snitch.
So haha Ireland will win but Krum gets the snitch lol.
And they trusted their instincts
The easiest explanation is that they reverse the actual usage of the time turner
That the originals go away hoping they will find a way to get back in time to then replace themselves.
They would see the outcome from somewhere else. Go back in time to a moment when they can safely reach the main group in time they separate themselves, they would need to be silent to not accidentally spoil something
Question what would have happened if Krum caught the Snitch when Ireland was 150 points behind? Would there be two champions, a second match or a penalty shoot-out?
As for why Krum caught the Snitch the Irish seeker saw it first and went after it so Krum probably thought his only options were catching it and loose by ten or allowing Lynch to catch it and loose by 310.
Why would they need to go forward? If the time turner turns back and they're conspiring to make these changes, all they have to do is watch the game the first time, turn back time in an area away from their friends, then swap places with themselves at a designated location, make the bet with Ludo, and then swap back and watch the game like normal. There's no need to go forward to get the information, only to go back to change the outcome. Assuming the rest is just not being seen swapping with yourself, but that would have to be easy if you know where you're at, in on the secret, and wear the same clothes.
9:25 I doubt Percy was out paroling twice...
I swear, I only get real commercials on TH-cam when I’m trying to fall asleep. Then BAM listen about a new POS Ford that’s coming
I think the real Weasley twins watch the game then time travels BACK to a point when they where separated and alter like their counterparts to convince themselves to bet on that.
You are complicating it way too much, story can simply go like this: they arrive at the campground and while setting up the tent George find a note in his pocket that wasn't there when they came, on the note are the results of the upcoming match, they place a bet with ludo And go with everyone and see the match play out as the note said, they then slip out during the celebration and travel back write the note and using magic put it in one of the twins pocket,thay then wait to slip back in just after the original twins time traveled and claim the gold from ludo
When are you doing another Harry Potter trivia night live stream
You guys are the best. 😊 Have a great Easter weekend.
It’s probably more likely they saw ludo taking bets then left and hid so their future selves can make the bet then the future selves hide so the original twins can watch the match the future twins are right there they swap places to collect the bet while the og twins go back in time to make it
That way you don’t have to worry about the can they go forward thing, also it could also be that only one twin did the time travelling bit so there was only one extra hiding around
Yay! Back to in universe videos- my faves! (Less of a fan of theories of stuff that didn’t happen in the books)
Time travel being a timey-wimey thing ... rather than a time turner ... perhaps there was a Doctor in the house, F&G were invited for a ride in the TARDIS😅
If Percy had a time turner, Barty Crouch Junior (did I spell that right)may have one too,because his father said he had 12 IDK OWLs or NEWTs(again I don’t know if I spelled that right or not
me: i usually agree with the theories but this one seems like a stretch.
me at the end: okay j you’ve convinced me
Interesting theory, but...Why would F&G steal a time turner and go that far into the future JUST to bet on Quidditch? Did you see the "How It Should Have Ended" episode, where someone takes a time turner, turns it back however many million hours, and just Avra Kedavras Voldemort?
How about a video talking about the ways Dumbledore communicates with the order. Like for example in book 5 Harry waits in Mr Weasleys office for the trial, and while he waits, he sees 'a pair of bewitched leather gloves' that could be owned by Dumbledore.
The minister of sports betting on sports is pretty shady in itself.
Try do this (kinda hard)
directions: sort characters favorites, least favorites
1. Luna lovegood
2. Harry Potter
3. Victor Krum
4. Bill Weasley
5. Cedric Diggory
6. Ginny Weasley
7. Fleur Delacor (the girl that married "4.")
My rank ⬇️
1. Cedric Diggory
2. Fleur Delacor
3. Bill Weasley
4. Victor Krum
5. Luna lovegood
6. Ginny Potter
7. Harry Potter 👦⚡📙🧙♂️
"Truancy Treats" in the U.S.
It makes total sense to make this bet - Ireland has the stronger team but Krum is a much stronger Seeker. Seems like an obvious outcome to me.
No, it's not. Why would anyone catch the Snitch and ensure his team loses?
@@mienfu9824 If the rest of his team is nowhere as good as their opponents, it's a choice between losing by a bit or losing by a lot. The longer you take to end the match, the more Ireland scores against you , and the more you lose by. I'd rather lose by a little than lose by a lot.
This is exactly the type of thing Fred and George would do for guaranteed money
So are you saying they held the time turner all summer after Percy believed he returned it the previous spring? How would this go unnoticed? Someone would have had to acknowledge that Percy turned it in to keep him out of trouble (presumably Mcgonagill), so someone down the chain of custody between Hogwarts and the Dept of Ministry had to have been intercepted by Fred and George for them to steal it.
To be fair, they do not need to travel into the future.
They can, instead, be confronted in the past by themself, get send of to hide in some lower stands to watch the game while the time travlers make the bet and go to watch in the better seeds.
Then, the past can go travel back and be the future ones.
What IS stopping people from meeting themself? The fact that things have happened and always will happen the way they did, no? Fred & Gorge are probably reckless enough to plan that in, instead of having the main trios (or duo in that case) careful attitude to only intervene when they are sure they absolutely have to. If anyone would break causality to create a perfect loop for a bet, it would be the twins.
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