I'm Building A Classic Styled Drag Racer! "Garbage Can 'Cuda" 273 Engine Build Details, And More
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- This is the Garbage Can 'Cuda. It's a 1966 Plymouth Barracuda with a 1966 Dodge Dart front end that has lived multiple interesting lives. It's been a drag racer and a rowdy daily driver, and has been well abused through all of that. I have a vision for this car that looks a lot like the sort of thing you'd see at a SEGA race. I've talked about this project in various videos and livestreams over the last year or more, but I've never actually gone over my entire plan for the car - let alone start on it. So today, all (ok, some) of that changes. Do you want to build a spicy 273 LA V8? Hopefully this video is a good place to start. Have you previously built a spicy 273? Hopefully you'll drop in the comment section and pitch in your two cents as I finalize my plan for this one.
If you want to see more on this car, check out my new playlist called "The Garbage Can 'Cuda" for the full story to this point.
Not a ‘Cuda. It’s a Barracuda. ‘Cuda is not a nickname for a Barracuda, it’s a separate model name.
I KNOW
But 1) Barracudas were colloquially known as ‘Cudas BEFORE the ‘Cuda model existed, and still are, despite the ever-present whining on the internet. And most importantly 2) “Garbage Can Barracuda” does not have the same catchy alliteration as Garbage Can ‘Cuda.
YES, IT IS ALSO A NICKNAME. There is zero point in being pedantic about this. People call Barracudas ‘Cudas all the time as shorthand, therefore it is indeed a nickname, separate from and unrelated to the official existence of the ‘Cuda.
Did you know that ‘Cuda was a performance package in 1969? It was not its own distinct model until the BS vin distinction with the E-body in 1970. I know. You are talking to someone who has worked on many different Barracudas and ‘Cudas, including a Hemi ‘Cuda.
Was I expecting this comment? Yeah. Welcome to the internet.
As someone old enough to have been around when the Barracudas came out, I remember calling them "Cudas". Just like they called Mustangs "Stangs" and Corvettes "Vettes". You need to get over yourself.
273 with tunnel ram or six-pack.
@@DeadDodgeGarage I can concur my 67 formula S was called a Cuda by many ...
@@DeadDodgeGarage Family member and now his son have been racing one for 50 years, still call it a Barracuda. BTW, you really should try to locate the front from a Barracuda, much snazzier!!
The object is not to go fast, the object is to go as fast as you can in THE CAR YOU MADE. The car you built to the way you wanted it. Nothing else really matters. Do. What. You. Want. with your car. I can't wait to see the journey and the car.
I couldn’t agree more 👍
Absolutely! My sentiment exactly which is why I love Dead Dodge Garage and UTG!
Well what you can afford,ie acquire. And tire spinners ain't consistent. I watched a passenger van, with drive out tag, 2 emergency spares run 4rth place at a Mopar National.
I'm a 273 guy, and I got a 66 dart with a built 273 with duel quads. Don't remember, but a big ass cam, solid lifters roller rockers, and love the hell out of it. Oh, did I mention I have 2 66 darts with 273s
Now I don't feel intimidated if I put a 750 on mine with small jets.
@@LongIslandMopars I'm running 2 550cfms. On a low ram
@@iamnoone. Nice!!
That’s awesome!
Do it. Yep. The big baseplate will help a ton.
man jamie the more and more i watch your channel the more it seems were kinda in the same lane of life......i built a 62 catalina to replicate what was being drag raced in 62-63 super stock.....kinda like the pontiac super dutys....bench 4 speed 389 with real 421 sd top end....every one said go automatic....i wanted a 4 speed so i found a 4 speed car....used all factory delete plates for radio heater reverse lights ect....and with all intent to run the things the way they was then....the nostalgia and fun is more then time slips...the quarter windows are covered in vintage speed part companies including vintage factory pontiac racing program decals....steelies and dog dishes.....dont see many people our age range interested in this era of racing..... probably why i have normally surrounded myself with older generations to learn all i could about the cars i like.....while learning all the mistakes not to make as well....keep up the great work
I totally understand the desire to rebuild cool rare motors (why I have a 325 Hemi) over common (I hate LS swaps), easy to find engines.
It's gonna be wicked! Tunnel ram, dual four and that racy idle at 1500 rpms is gonna sound sooo cool! Last time i heard that it was a Rambler Rebel!
I love the idea of building a 273 ❤❤❤
This is the kind of build I like watching. I hope you are able to get started on it soon! 👌
My 65 Dart GT sat in North Carolina for 23 years dead.A year later she's a comfy daily driver.She came with pre smog 318 heads on top of her original 273 block with 2 burned valves.No longer solid.I used a set of cut to the max small valve J heads and stock Thermo Q intake.I tried a couple Carterr AFB's but built a Thermoqaud out of a couple cores and made a great cruiser.Good millage and great sounds out of her.Shes gonna get freshened up this winter and get upgraded a bit.Happy Building Jamie I'll follow along.
Nice. I'm looking to rebuild a 1969 Carter AFB Competition Series 750 with small jets and put it on my dad's 66 Coronet 273 using a Commando intake with a spacer.
@@LongIslandMopars Good combo.I prefer the pre Edelbrock AFB's for sure.Mine sunk a float so I built the TQ and discovered It worked with my current combo better.After the build I plan on trying out a Barry Grant Demon 650 for comparison purposes.Happy building to you too.
@@samuelgoodman2825 Sweet !!
Good day eh from Canada ! I built a 273 for my 67 barracuda. Love it! I worked in a machine shop at the time so took a few liberties. The basic build is the flat top cast pistons, final comp. ratio 9 to 1. Used hydraulic 340 cam. 429 intake 440 lift I think way too small but it was free! I decked the block to achieve 040 quench. Polished the piston tops and combustion chambers to reflect heat back into itself. Prevent detonation etc. balanced the rods and pistons. But not the rotating assembly. The heads are 273 ones. I installed hardened ex seats and put new intake seats in. Raised the seats back into the chamber. I also used a radius cutter to unshroud the valves to match to the cyl bore. 273 adjustable rockers. My own gasket match and porting to clean things up swap meet edelbrock dual plane and a 600 cfm Holley netted me 216 rear wheel hp on a mustang chassis Dyno. Which should be close to 260 flywheel. I have an a833 in it as well. My 2 cents. I would use the 273 heads always. Use modern magnum or ls valves turned down to fit if needed. Use the stock beehive valve springs from magnum or ls. Maybe w2 rockers. Fill the push rod hole and relocate. Jb weld the intake runners and get them to match the heads. 108 lsa cam with 470 ish lift. Nothing radicle for duration consult David vizard on cam! When I fished machining the combustion chambers they looked similar to the 302 castings. Instal OD transmission 309 first gear ratio into your trans. Super fun project ahead for you!
What's the advantage of the W2 rockers? higher ratio? Are they also adjustable? Will they fit 1973 318 shafts?
I Love this build. Its awesome to do things your own way. Especially if it is against the norm. My dad had several mopar muscle cars back when they were new. I recently asked him what his all tome favorite was and he said. “ The 66 Barracuda with the 273 Commando”. Have fun with that Jamie its gonna be great!
I live 52 miles from Beech Bend raceway at Bowling Green Kentucky, lucky I get to see the Southeast Gassers run every year, I'd love to build one myself! Great plan for the Barracuda 👍
A body barracudas are my favorite car currently own a 65 and 67 both with 273 engines. The 67 is a formulas with the 273 commando engine, factory original. I will be following this build for sure
Nice!
Lets Go!!!! This lil 273 jewel will rip!!!
Small cubic inch motor, high rpm, 4 speed.....yessssss !!
Anything that's free. Is well worth saving up for!
You are nailing it. Period correct performance. Great build! I look forward to seeing more "garbage can"!
Oh man! I’ve been waiting for this
D Dart! Oh I'm excited for this build. I totally get it. Real Hot Rodding.
Real men drive manual
To me it’s the hole point being part of the machine getting it right
Each gear change up to the rev limit and getting clutch and gear change spot on feels so good ! ❤
Awesome. Adjustable rocker arms are essential. Very cool project. When I was Young, a friend had that same car with the 273 and a 4 speed. NOT a fast car but cool and fun to drive.
Love the nicknames, garbage can, trash can, tool box, ice box, cardboard box, we got lots to chose from, nice car.
I'm in VA. Close by Kentucky.Might ride over for an event.gonna do a refresh on the Darts 273 this winter,among other things. 273's make me happy.
my dart came with a 273 so am super invested in this build. i love the approach and am excited to watch the cuda build. you do you jamie! my dart now has a 360 which is now a 408. i havent driven it yet but man does it sound good. one day the 727 trans will work...one day😂
I agree with your thinking. I built a 65 Plymouth Valient Signet with a 273. Tips would be to think RPM for staying in its power zone, gasket match the heads to headers, cam and spring it to rev high. The 273 and 340 were set up well to run fast without shame from the factory in performance versions. My goal for mine was to screech the tires on takeoff, I never raced it but I did make my goal of smoking tires. It started as I got it as an oil burning two barrel intake motor with a two barrel to four barrel adapter and four barrel. I still have that carb adapter, not much demand for one of those. The motor was a slug. The 65 had a different angle the intake bolted to the heads than the rest of the following years so it took me some time and luck to find a 65 four barrel intake for that 273. I could have went with a set of heads and intake off something else but I had already redone the heads out of necessity. After the intake and above mentioned the car jumped around pretty well. It was capable of winning some races but I had a fast drag car already so it was built to run peppy on the streets and it got decent gas mileage. Good luck.
Yes I will follow this builds and yes I have two 273’s in cars.
Had a friend in high-school who drove a 66 Valiant,273 Power Pack 4spd.I will never forget the music that single square exhaust pipe put out
Some 283 Chevrolet were power pack.
Love a coincidence! A friend of mine was talking about the Ghia 450 the other day, which I had never heard of, but the idea of an Italian sportscar with a 273 was intriguing to me since nobody I know has ever built a 273. Now here we are building a performance 273.
Woah. I had never heard of the 450. That’s incredible!
Give Oregon cam grinders a call. Older gentlemen that has been doing cams for a VERY long time. Just a wealth of knowledge.
I know! When I said I’d probably have a cam ground, they are who I intended to have do the grinding.
Wise words and that shop clock steering wheel is freaking awesome
had a 66, 40 years ago, after a Christmas party I had my way with santas helper in the back with the seat down .....good for stargazing to...lol
Old time Drags are coming up , August 1- 4 th. Mission Raceway , Mission BC. just a few Miles north , past the Sumas Border crossing. I'm sure there will be a few Gassers in the show.
Man, I still don’t have my stuff in order to cross the border. Also, I think the Woodburn event is the 2nd or something. Kinda sorta planning to go to that.
Great project! I raced a 65 Dart Charger with the 273 Hi Po engine. It had a 904 torqflight with manual valve body. 4.88 gears in a 8-3/4" rear end. Fenderwell headers. Stock 235HP with a Offenhouser manifold with my Themoquad carb off my 71Demon 340. It ran Formula Stock and held the National Record in AHRA at 14.50s. Beat quite a few Roadrunners on the street. They all thought it was a 340 because of the thermoquad. Great car! Raced a lot of 340's in Super Stock too. Lot's of Records and trophies too. Good luck on your car. This was back around 1973. Yeah I'm old but still have my 340 4-speed Demon. It's mostly stock with 14,400 original miles.
That’s awesome!!
Same reason I’m going to stick with building the poly 318 in my 66 Plymouth fury three. Just to see what it can do, because it’s what I have.
This is going to be an interesting build looking forward to it
You nailed the essence of why I painted my 67' dart the way I did, with the name of Daze of Glory, on the sides. It is my rendition of what woulda come out of 1967 🤘🏼. Looking forward to the build man 👍🏼
Love the Daze of Glory name!!!👍
@@petergrey7125 thank you! If you want to see the car, it's posted on my channel. Again, thanks for the like 🤘🏼
This sounds like fun! I really want to do a similar thing with the stock 318 from my duster. I think it would be a lot of fun to have a rowdy 318 since nobody seems to like them for a performance application.
I think people have warmed up to the 318 somewhat. It’s an easier path than the 273, for sure.
You just do what makes you happy. I like where you are going with this. You have lots of options. It's a shame you weren't around back in the 60s and 70s. You would have loved it. But the upside to that is you are still young. Back when I was a kid in the early 60s we used to put automotive stickers on our bikes. If we could get them. When I started driving and messing with cars in the 70s it was always cool to put the stickers on your rear windows from stuff you installed on your car. You never used stickers from stuff you didn't have. That was a punk move and was not cool. And of course street racing was a way of life for us. One thing you're missing is the high octane gas. Our high compression engines and the 105-108 octane leaded gas we had at the pump would make some impressive power. I ran a 12:1 360 in my 74 challenger with racing pistons and lots other goodies. That car was violence on wheels.
Great video Jaime 👍,lots of great information on the small block Mopars . Love these engines 👍Thanks for the great videos man👍
I always loved the idea of a 273 doing whatever - it could be a hyper-miler or a performance monster. I think building it just the way you want sounds great. Really like the idea of cool classic speed parts. Even if something might be more efficient, the cool factor is what you're after. I approve (not that you need it - LOL).
I had a hot, high reving 283 in the late 90s installed in a 69 elco.
It made that car a super fun rig to run around in.
Ran a high 12 with a 4 speed.
Surprised a lot of fox body’s, 3 gen f body’s, even a few big block muscle cars.
If you could locate a factory (Direct Connection/Mopar performance) 340 six pack camshaft. I loved the one in my small block. It worked well with the 3.91 rear gears in my Dart. Duration 268/276 228/235 @ .050. ,.429/.444 lift. 44 degree overlap. Sounds small , but worked well and pulled great through RPMs. Plus had 17" of vacuum, which will work great on the tunnel ram. In a 273 will seem like more cam than it is in a 340/360. Just a suggestion that worked for me. Great build, looking forward to seeing it come together.
Right. By today’s standards it does sound small, but in the small inch engine it should be very effective. Thanks!
Sounds small but awesome.. starting to think the 1.78/1.5 valves aren't the liability people make them out to be either ?? Not sure..tho learning as I go.
It's always fun to mess with obscure engines, so I approve of your thinking.
You’re doing the absolute, most cool option with your build plan. Very inspiring for this 63 year old gearhead to see you and your brother forge ahead in an analog lifestyle. Great stuff as usual!
I am really looking forward to seeing your build come together. I to am very old school. More with less has always interested me.
Excellent! I had been wondering what was up with this project. Can't wait to see how it turns out.
"but drive it i did" killed me 😂 Drive them we do!
Been looking into rebuilding my 273 in my 64 cuda this video was a godsend hope to see more of this build.
I totally understand !! By the way, that 292 adv. duration is not too rowdy for what you are doing...... While not a 273, 30 some years ago I built a 302 Ford with 292 adv duration, .512 lift, and it was totally streetable, to the point I drove the Alaska highway with it and no problems, and daily drove the snot out of it. I like the 273 LA engine and would love to see you spinning it to 8 grand !!!
And by the way, automatics are for people who want to go fast at the expense of fun. This is all about fun! Oh, and don't mess around, go straight for the tunnel ram !!!
Infinitely cool. I'll live vicariously through your channel while rolling low and slow in my C Body. 😁
Love it! This is going to be a fun build. I wish I would have had those options when I was building my 318 '68 barracuda back in the late 70's. As it was, it was built from anything I could find at the wrecking yard I was working at. It wasn't the fastest by any stretch, but it sure was fun.
You say you got a long way, my friend here in sweden built a 55 gasser AND shipped it over to race with the sega boys. But i like your idea! Keep on truckin! Love it!
@9:50 - I have four rims exactly like that on a small junky utility trailer that I just put new tires on. I found out that those black “rivets “ around the perimeter aren’t actually metal. They’re plastic. I melted them up pretty good on one rim when I hit them with a wire brush on a 7” angle grinder. I did NOT see that coming.
Looking forward to this one!
I dig the vibe when you and wifey were street drivin' it. But, The gasser trip would be very good indeed. Perfect car for it. Gotta be 4spd. Love,,,DUBS.
I have been to a few Southeast Gassers events,and it is the Baddest Drag Racing on the Planet 👍, all the Car's are Period correct,to 1967 rules, head's up all 4 speed's 😎
Jamie, I’m just starting a 273 build as an engine to replace my 410W2 setup when I want to make my 1965 AP6 Valiant more easy to drive for my wife.
360 crank,253 Holden pistons and stock rods will give you 300cubes.
Interesting combo. Someone else commented that they were doing the same crank swap.
Cool!!! I feel like im getting in on the ground floor! Lets do it!!
Ahh the memories. That was awesome and entertaining when you and Donnie at bigwrenchtech painted it.
Best Vid yet. Ozzys LUV 273s we only got SBs so lots of hot A bods wre built 273/318s . I had a wild 'wednesday' 273 but cam specs are well lost in the Purple haze that still fogs my loungeroom , i kno it wasn't' Max' lift , saw that NOT work on lots of em . More Vhot street than full race but it reg smoked 350s n 351s and pissed of lotsa egos. I'd look hard at the cam with the dome piston block ? An elf mite have pissed on it bringin all the luck . Have Fun .
Dude!!!❤❤❤ love it! I'm so jealous. I had a 63 dodge van, 73 road runner, 70 challenger, 85 dodge ramcharger, anyway now an 04 dodge ram 2500 CTD 4x4 and it'll do everything I wanted all the other ones did. I still get nostalgic watching you rifle though all your stuff though lol!
I think the build will be awesome!
I've driven a dart with a 273 charger it was super fun
I think a turbocharged 273 would be awesome , factory forged crank and 360 rods maybe 👌🏽
I’m confident it would be… that may come some day.
Excited for both 273 and turbo slant 6 build. F the haters!!!!! Alot of info mixed in this wich made it entertaining on multi levels. KEEP ON KEEPIN ON!! The vintage idea is wonderful!
Looking forward to this build! Neat seeing one of my favorite old performance books, though I always thought that particular one was more inspirational than detailed. Glad you're going for how you want it. I'm essentially doing the same with my 318 for now. I thought about starting a 'bad idea' thread on a forum to get feedback on some of the options but then decided to just do it.
I can't think of anything COOLER than a tunnel ram w/2 carbs on a street driven car. OK, maybe an 8-71 supercharger. Kudos to you for having this goal for the GCC. I had a tunnel rammed 440 big block 65 Fury as my daily driver for many years. Did I mention that is was my DAILY driver? Yeah, I was single then, but it was awesome. Tunnel rams work great on the street. I still have the fury with the tunnel ram 440, but I am taking the tunnel ram off......to be replaced with an 8-71 Dyers Supercharger. Good Times, Good Times....
I anxiously await the next installment of the GCC. Youda Man!
Going to be an interesting project.
And I love the Southeast Gasser Association. Gasser Madness is another great gasser group.
Yes, 273, tunnel ram,4 speed and 4.89 gear.
Jamie, every time you share your vision, I find myself smiling through the video. YES to the high-rise! It will look awesome!
Cool can't wait let's see what the peanut motor will do
OMG... I didn't know that you're in the PNW. I live in Central Oregon, and I have a 56 Dodge Lancer Custom Royal with a 325 Hemi, with 3x2 intake, that I'm trying to rebuild. I'd love to be able to bring you in on the project. Originally, I'd planned to take my time and go crazy on it, but thanks to finding out that I have stage 4 cancer and knowing that my days are numbered, I'm just wanting to get it put back together and on the road ASAP.
Oh damn. Yeah, I’m in western Washington. My schedule is pretty screwed but I’d love to be involved somehow. It just so happens I have a pile of 315 Hemi parts too.
@DeadDodgeGarage I believe that it'll run if I just put it back together with new gaskets, and I have the original 315 Poli that was in the car when I bought it, just in case I need a part. My problem is that I'm an artistic furniture builder, not a mechanic. Sure, taking it apart was easy, but when it comes to putting it back together, that's a different story. Expect me to try and pick your brain from time to time. I love that you work on classic engines and not just classic cars.
Grab a sanding block and some # 600~1000 grit wet paper and that paint will smooth right out. Buff it out, perfect.
Running slow these days but hey, just glad I'm still running. Thanks again and regards.
I’ll definitely be knocking down the run, but beyond that… there isn’t enough clear coat on the bottom of the car to sand. The lighting and heating in the shop both left a lot to be desired, we’ll just say that. Thank you!
@@DeadDodgeGarage Looks like single-stage white? In that case once it's polished up I think it'll be hard to tell/great 10-footer. Good enough for the gals we go with... ha.
Actually, this build should be a blast!
A 273 build will be cool to see.
Yo, great video I had a 70 charger that I did crazy stuff. Reminds me of when I was your age.
ok so funny I watch to the end before posting a comment in the middle of the video I was saying if you're not doing the coolest ever turbo slant 6 than that 273 need 3 carbs like the 340 had..than you show your 2 four intakes I approve. It will not run better than a basic 4 barrel but way way cooler with 2 carbs.
Can't wait to see this move
Oh man, this is going to be so damn cool!!
This is gonna be fun. All that matters, really.
Sounds like a fun project to be doing there young fella. Just continue to be you and do it your way and never mind the nay sayers. Forge onward Jamie.
It's your car, have fun with it.
It shall forever be a 4 speed. This should be a sticker.
Love it. Can't wait for the build videos.
Nice building a race car -cool. Can't wait to see you get it done. Also, glad to see you're not going to go out and punish Dale's Demon too much anymore. That's a beautiful car.
Why do all these goofs want to rain on your party? I guess they have nothing better to do.
Really enjoyed the video, love all the knowledge you have. I built a 283 just because I wanted to, even though a 350 or 383 would of been faster. But it’s fun to do the oddball stuff sometimes, you should totally build the 273 just for the hell of it.
Very cool plans.
It's going to be a really cool build Jamie. That Leggin it "Cuda" is awesome and inspired me when I was building my 64 Dart gasser. I think the Leggin It Cuda was sold a couple years ago. Og and for the Barracuda police.........Cuda Cuda Cuda!!! Neener neener neener!!! 🤣😂🤣😂 Best of luck with the build brother 👍👍👍
So much future fun!
Hell yeah! Make a little 273 scream on a TAVO budget. I love your way of thinking.
In case you are wondering what TAVO is? In Australia it is a "Tight Arse Valiant Owner"
Oh, I know 😅
I dig your period correctishness ... very cool .. I applaud you !
I had a 66 barracuda. I liked it. I’m pretty sure it’s the car I spotted on curbside classics. That was in2010 and the author Mr niedermeyer didn’t answer my email. I was in Portland when I sold it and live in Myrtle point now but the car was still somewhere in Oregon in 2010. I miss that car. I remember the Oregon plate was fsn101 when I had it.
I’m with you. This is cool.
273...the little engine that could.
Nice
I like this build. Sure you could throw money at it but I think you'll be better off building a 273 in the old school spirit. That's what hotrodding is about. Using what you have and tweaking.
Going Commando is the new Hemi orange!
I appreciate this build. Love the early 273.
I have no idea what a 273 with what you have in mind is going to be like, and that's why this will be cool. I (and everyone else) will get to find out. One thing I do know is that those superstock "D/Darts" did quite well back in the day which is pretty close to the formula you seem to be going for.
love your thinking , dont do the normal , do what YOU want
The 273 reminds me of Chevy 283. And no one complains about hi-rev 283
Exactly!