The Gran Turismo Corner Where Everyone Crashed
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 พ.ค. 2022
- The Death Chicane - it's back and it's claiming more lives than ever before.
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I don’t play or particularly enjoy racing games. I also don’t watch any racing channels real or virtual. But I somehow find myself watching every GT upload. I can’t get enough of the commentary and great racing combo.
100% same here xD
Ive seen a bit racing content from many people, and lemme tell ya, you're in the right place. Super GT has the best content🙌❤️
I only watch steve and kie25 tbf its kind of a sleep asmr for me😂👍🏻
Same here, stumbled across his channel years back. Love it.
I don't even own a playstation, but Steve's laid back commentary and occational comedy is super nice to watch
i have to say exactly thats happening in rl too. you have a locking diff that tansfers power over to tire that has contact to the street. if the other tire touches the ground again power distribution changes in an instant. in combination with a steering angle this simply makes you loose control over the car. you basicly hit a slight speedbumb at 150-200kmh in a CURVE. never drove le mans but i think physics is doing its job here
Exactly, you can't attack that curve the way they are doing without the risk of losing control.
Leclerc in Imola made a pretty decent attempt in showcasing that.
Nahhh they should (definitely) be anle to fly that curb at easily 200mph
@@sk7730 the issue is they are trying to hit it below 200mph. Should be going 200+ to hit the curb without losing control.
@@ImPseudo the trick is to approach the corner waving your arms and shouting - you have to try and intimidate it like you would a bear
I was eyeballing the top-right mini map and watching people go through the death chicane. There's many example, but at 16:40, you can clearly see someone having a bad time hahaha. Thanks for the content GT!
great catch!
LOL 🤣Nice!
helikopter
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
That poor soul x'D
7:08 The hardest working marshal in motorsport right there.
The problem with that chicane is the angle of your front wheels when they touch the ground afterwards while your rear end is still airborne. If they aren't relatively straight, you will spin or lose traction. Momentum takes over from there.
I agree 100%
Damn. As a rocket league player that makes a lot of sense because one way to do a 180 turn in that game is to jump and land on your front wheels while turning. That game actually has a pretty good physics engine too..
@@RCmies you clearly don’t understand physics if you think rocket league has a good physics system
@@haydenchu58 clearly you don’t understand game physics if you think rocket league doesn’t have good physics
@@chadponder1254 it doesn’t. There is no loss in traction for any reason, changes in surface doesn’t affect grip, you can turn your fucking car in mid air, get real.
When you thought he hit an invisible wall, it's actually simply lag. Online + physics can create those weird things.
From his own point of view, he probably just hit the wall or another car, and that's what matters, nothing was wrong on his side.
But from your point of view, because of the lag, it didn't quite exactly show what happened to him, so what's why you saw him hitting an invisible wall.
so true , yesterday the dude infront lagged all over the track , suddenly i was in his rear back ghosted in but i got 5 sec pen. its simply broken
Incorrect... Timmy's rear right tire hit inside of curb sending him into left wall...
I want to see GT sophy on this track. It can’t be a true player-trained AI if she doesn’t occasionally absolutely twat it into the death chicane.
I think she may see the players mistakes and learn how not to bin it in this corner (although not 100% of the time)
If it ever arrives, another Kaz promise
I'm sure Sophy will be taught to not expect to be able to throw a car at curbs, land with wheels sideways and then wonder why it crashes
They ran Sophy on this track on GT Sport. It was a bit freaky the way she used the curbs. V unrealistic
@@Moorag81 i mean, the physics in gt sport were different. You could just throw the car on the curbs and get away with it if I'm not wrong. Here, on the other hand, you have to be careful when driving on some curbs (dragon trail is an example)
Hi Super GT, turned 60 now but watching your posts and streams are an amazing help in making me a better driver. Your content is the best, looking forward to all that is to come. Cheers
The fact that at 2:55 Dan TGT booted the other car and got no penalty but when I hit a car in front that spun out and I get hit with a 5 sec penalty for causing a collisions I wasn’t even a part of kills my vibe to a race and is the biggest problem in GT7 imo
Can completely relate. I dont know how the system detects but it needs an overhaul. What bugs me the most though is it seems that if you tap someone and cause no issues but someone else in a short amount of time hits the person you tapped hard you get the penalty. It seems that if during the time the game is calculating if you deserve a penalty or not an someone else effects the car you tapped it will give you the penalty.
Yeah that’s really annoying
@@thizzobishi honestly it needs an overhaul.. once o got hit with 10 sec !!! That’s an eternity!!! I just had an incident in which I took the outside line, a jerk was late on his brake, used me as a bumper to keep himself on track, shoved me out, and I got hit with “forcing another car of course”. I was like muthaf****** I got shoved out not him.. infuriates me. And of course my SR takes a hit
This is the exact reason I don't screw with this mode. Witless penalty system. That and the lack of tuning
I actually love that chicane, though crashing might not be any fun, managing to go through it fast is always a blast.
Is good chicken
@@Loctorak the best* 😂
@@Loctorak where palmer?
This chicane is my favorite part of the game. Managing to take it perfectly is very satisfying and rewarding
That's actually my favorite track. Ok, I'm maybe biased because I'm croatian.
19:43 Considering his livery, he did an Instant Transmission. 😉
This is honestly my favorite track in the series, the only thing I would change is removing the wall on the exit of the death chicane and having it spill out in to a beach.
Someone appoint this visionary as head of level design at Polyphony.
That corner, It’s a monument of its own
Got points on 2 races and now enjoying himself with some daily races. 🐐
If he used a full red suit we would've won the race
@@afoxwithahat7846 💯💯
Full red livery also gains about half a second per lap I think. Could be a bit more.
I think Timmeh hit the wall but due to servers low tickrate/lag the actual player is smoothed out so the actual location of the player was 200-300ms later which you can see and then it just got violently updated to smooth out without blinking and glitching.
not, it's collision wall that are poorly made
Yep
@@M.Ochasan Load that map with any car and drive up to the wall. You will see you hit the real wall and not the invisible wall like seen here.
This is server interpolation what we are seeing here. Server is smoothing out other players basically by predicting their path of travel and when something happens and player changes path suddenly it will attempt to correct itself but as it is too late to put the player where it hit the wall as that would cause blinking, it just executes animation of hitting the wall and thus it looks like it's invisible wall.
How you made it through the chicane? 11:56
You didn't accelerate while passing over the curbs.
Your wheels were pointing more or less straight after the first bump.
These two factors seem to have attributed to your success this time around.
Timmy showed you what lag looks like. He hit the apex of the wall on his screen. Your screen took time to be notified, and connected the dots.
You know, there are always a few constants in the GT series:
Amazing Soundtrack
Great Visuals
Dyson sounds
Sweet penalties
4:56 That was desynchronization of timmy's client to the server. He crashed pretty much normally. What he hit was the huge curb there on the death chicane that sent him into the wall
This patch really re-intoduce and bring the chicane of death to a whole new level
You think it’s realistic ? The way it feels now ?
@@kriskater it's still doesn't feel realistic i think, even though it give the players punishment if they use it too much still the aftermath is pretty much off
These Vids are borderline therapeutic, thank you Steve 🙏
Great to see they have introduced normal standing starts instead of the extended single file rolling starts.. At least the tail Enders have a chance now instead of watching the pole sitter disappearing into the sunset by the time the cross the control line
Top notch video mate, kept this playing while I grind in GT7 as well. 👍
I especially love the “voodoo magic” part. 😂
Paranormal activity 😂 I love this guys narrating. The serious ish voice and the occasional cheeky joke really makes this channel enjoyable
It seems like pitch and roll values are not illustrated among other online opponents, (or atleast beyond the point where one or more wheels lift off from the ground unevenly) so I'lI guess that in the death chicane, their inside wheels gets lifted off from the ground, but their cars unsettled when the inside wheels hit the ground and the weight shifts rapidly from loaded corners of the car, to unloaded... But since you don't see the inside wheels in the air, the spin seems like it's lagging behind. (My guess
I remember doing Mini Cooper S '65 races with super soft tyres in GT Sport online, where I could see my opponents cars seemingly driving straight off the track, but knowing better from being on voice-chats, AND my own experiences througout those races. It was hilarious :D
Go Super Gt! Love your content. Thanks for all you do.
I sure enjoy your videos as many others. Calm voice and interesting races. However what I enjoy the most (especially in this race) is that you never really aim for being in the first spot but (as you say at around 11:10) you try to be as quick as possible with the car and you really just try to get a good race. Of course you are out to gain positions, as this is obviously the point of a race, but even if you can't gain that much, or just gain only a few or even loose a position you stay calm or at least your commentary. And that is really great.
As someone who struggles with the setup of a car and often struggles to get a good race, your statement just hit me. Try to pack the best you can and drive as good/fast as you can and be happy with your own progress/success.
So thanks mate!
It’s 3am here, I was just about to sleep till this video caught my eye. Well worth the watch, awesome content!
Hey Steve, thanks for the content mate, been keeping me busy in hospital atm, cheers
Oh damn hope all is well. Did you get circumcised?
Hope you recover quickly buddy!
The cars are bouncing over the curbs disturbing the balance. I generally avoid getting on the power until after the curbs on the death chicane and 95% of the time have no issues.
I thinks this is the first video I watched on your channel, without sound too. Loved it anyway, subbed. Keep it up! :D
Loving the constant flow 🤘🏻 keep the videos coming
No one is safe from these kerbs in the death chicane, I have seen many a competent player taken out with these new physics. It seems that the only safe way to traverse them is to apply absolutely no throttle. The trouble with that is that it is too slow compared to those that would take it full on and survive. It is a terrible shame about the 'train tracks' at daily race C, that's that done for the week now.
Excellent content and commentary as ever, always guaranteed memes and chuckles.
Like deployed 👍
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Shame about the train tracks.. clearly haven’t taken the Fujiwara training course 😄
Got to love this track
This corner is my favorite because the risk-reward is so tangible. the closer you get to crashing, the faster you catch up on the following straight.
That bump in that particular chicane has done the same to me a few times, I believe it happens when you hit the outer bump of the road at high speed, this makes your wheels loose contact with the road for a split second and that’s enough to make you loose it, it’s almost like in cycling, a tiny rub of the front wheel and you crash
GT7 has probably the best console simulation engine. Except for one thing: No collision damage. If you wipe out on one of these corners, even if you take no damage, you are still out of the race. But for some reason GT7 will let you recover and go on. For what point? Would players drive differently if catastrophic crashes could end your race? Would it actually make GT7 better to have players wreck out?
People won't wait 30 minutes for the next race over and over after wrecking turn 1 lap 1. That would absolutely kill the player base.
@@ElGeetaro8929 sim racers do that all the time lol
I believe that's a licensing issue. Car manufacturers don't really want to virtually crash their cars anymore. I don't know if this is actually true but I've read an article about it.
@@ThatAwesomeUsername Would catastrophic crashes that end your race make players drive differently? would it be a better game? or do you think there is a gameplay reason that players should be able to continue after such a crash
@@professionalhater3929 and what's the size of the player base comparatively? Miles apart at a guess.
I dont know why but i have never crashed on this corner but i once almost lost control but I instantly got in control
I hope i dont crash after writing this comment 😅
Sure
When I had a family and two boys, GT was my favorite. It may be an ADD thing with me. Miss the ps4 and my couch. Thanks for the tutorials as always Aderalanyone!!!
I’ve never had a problem at that chicane! It’s awesome flying through there as fast as possible, in either direction! One of the best places to overtake 🤘🤘
the racing line, the genesis, the intro… what’s going on here 🤨 feels different but…. good
This just proves to me, after your 2 week break, after the controversy, and now looking at this, this game is far inferior to its iteration with the same maps and probably the same cars. I’ll stick to sport.
It’s sad that people have no issues with the game. This is one of the most incomplete games I’ve ever seen for its development cycle.
@@simonbenton4781 I'm a casual player who doesn't seem to find anything wrong with this game could you explain whats wrong with it ? 🙃
@@mohidsajid8769 Anything I say wouldn’t change your mind since you’re a casual, so continue to casually play.
@@simonbenton4781 well I'm not looking to change my mind just to be informed but thanks anyways
@@simonbenton4781
I've played the series since GT1 jp version in 97, played the hell out of sport, just started with 7, what makes 7 inferior to sport?
4:46 - The timing of Steve saying "I don't know" with the car jerking on the kerb is perfect.
@Super GT Really enjoyed the the vide; keep up the good work brother. Thanks 🙏
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The editing and sound around 0:24 freaking knocked my head back
I don't know if anyone else looked a bit closer at this chicane but it to me at least looks very similar to the swimming pool section at Monaco just flipped with more aggressive kerbs
for the case of timmy, maybe curb physics caught his tire on the inside corner of the end of that inside curb, and sent his car on that trajectory. Looks like the timing of the initial jolt coincides with passing of that area of the curb.
I genuinely love that chicane its so fun and at my skill bracket even though I'm a bit slower in other parts of the track I'm usually 1 second faster through that chincane than my competitors and it helps keep me in my place and the straight just after is good overtaking spot for me
It's crazy how quickly one reels in the drivers ahead of you when you make it through that chicane flawlessly........ Having said that, i very seldom pull it off flawlessly 😂
"All you can do is maximize your package." Words to live by.
Dude your commentary is just phenomenal
The Aston Martin, got his rear wheel over the curb and hopped off it on exit. With the wheel now in the air and him in turn and on the fuel, he lost traction and spun. Best, I think, to be off the fuel until you are through the death curves. Four tires on the pavement first then smash the pedal.
I have kinda figured out that part of late. As soon as you cut into the crack (bus stop) start aiming the car towards the exit in a straight line. If you're a second late, you'll hit the outer wall. If you're too early you'll hit the inner wall. Leave the accelerator if you're feeling unsafe.
Instant Classic episode. That account deleted screen had me in tears
I had GTSport and that track is my favorite, and never had problems with this corner, but i got GT7 now, but i still doing the tutorial and didn't got in to that track yet
Love the content. Funny as always. Great editing also
Hello Super GT, viewer here. I just wanna say I really enjoy your videos, the voice overs really help to understand what’s really happening
Only thing I can think of why ppl spin on the curbs, it's like geometry where the car leaning at a point causes the tire to gain traction on the tire and just pulls all the momentum later
Thats pretty much what happens. The movement of a car is entirely dependent on the 4 contact points its wheels have with the ground at any given point. So if the car is airborne and suddenly has 0 control or traction and the steering or vehicle angle changes, the contact will resume with a force that's offset from the cars current trajectory. Considering theres a period where you may only have that 1 contact point or 2 at max, thats also less supporting grip to stabilise the car so its quite literally the full power of the engine vs the inertia of the car as it comes down, and the engine tends to win that battle in spectacular ways
Oh yeah, Timmy clipped his right rear on the kerb on exit, making his car jolt to the left with the leftwards momentum he already had.
Classic Timmy
that corner never ever gives me trouble, i always seem to nail it and sometimes it’s my favourite corner on the whole track
I need to rewatch some of the crashes but it seems to me that the curb itself (painted black/white) and the off-track area (painted red) have two different traction properties. Since it's such a steep curb, you end up with wheels on AND off the ground at the same time as wheels on and off the different surfaces. Wonderful recipe for a spin at high speed.
Superb recovery considering the vehicle was smashed. Nice work Steve!
Love that track, even got a copy on AC for the PC :) Hopefully it'll all be sorted when I finally move over to GT7.
Those curbs are supposed to unsettle the car at those speeds. The point of those specific curbs is that your supposed to have to slow, but nobody does so every lap becomes Russian roulette lol. Video is a good laugh. Greatly enjoy the content, keep up the good work Steve.
Good commentary and great driving 🚗 👍
There's an invisible wall on the Daytona course too, found that out when I lost control going into the first corner.
I have to figure out how to race with Europeans, racing with Americans is brutal, I am a considerate driver and if I feel I didn't an over take, I give it back, I've just started playing Sport and it's addicting, I've already taken a few poles and wins, not bad for just using a controller, I stopped using the arrow button and now use the joystick, my times have drastically improved.
Yeah americans are hit or miss with considerate racing.
Just wait until you get a wheel, first day i got mine, i grinded 4 hours in sport mode lol
My guess toward the question on the physics of the game and the curbs: it’s a curb, you go over it this causes an upward force reducing traction. As the vehicle lands it’s actually contacting with much more force than if it were flat to begin with. This accounts for the “late” curb reaction as the car settles and suddenly grips harder than expected.
This is a good video for subscribers and first time watchers, the commentary is so well made that it's appealing to a wide range of people not only racing fans.
VERY good job! .D
i've raced that track many times in both Sport and 7, i never had a problem with the bus stop chicane, also, love that one impreza scheme with the christian look
You can't beat the 'Color Commentary' of SuperGT!!! Classic! 🤣👍
Yeet Chicane : I know you guys are missing me in GT7, so I present to you, my cousin
Death Chicane : Hi
Yeet Chicane : Have fun with him guys
The second bump is quite high so I find its best to get wheels either side of it (if poss!) to avoid the oversteer if the offside wheels go over it.
Centering the wheel and lifting whilst on the kerb has made it pretty consistent for me with maybe half a tenth loss over the lap.
4:44 Aliens do exist in GT7, they steal cows in mount panorama
one of my fav tracks to be honest.. as for the corner yeah it can be tricky if u don't set urself up before going into it ur screwed i always stay close to the right barrier before turning into it.
I haven't been here in a while and what better video to return to (death) action!
Great driving and commentary. Which kind of economical wheel you recommend?! Thank you
I really hope the Tokyo expressway circuit with the super doom chicane pops up soon to see how much carnage those curbs can do.
When you are going through the chicane, you dont want to go full left. The curb has a dip on the left side of it that if you hit will fling you into the wall. Instead you want to get on the edge of hit that , while also aiming your car to the right as much as you can. Thats how I do it flat on soft and medium tires.
I did the third nations race at Suzuka with the 2016 Super GTs, and Degner 1 kerb is very deadly, you have to cut it to get a fast lap but its scary to do because there is a very high chance for you to be thrown out of track if u go over it. Not sure if its like this in real life nor do I remember how that kerb was before the new physics but it has become a keeb of death
This game is the first racing game I legit poured hour into, I bought racing games before but got into them bc I didn't know what I was doing, but this game legit showed me and help figure the mechanics
ive noticed a few times on random corners (various tracks) where the back end randomly jerks out and in (my guess would be how the track is loaded and syncronised between ps4/ps4 pro and ps5 given the "cross" play between them in addition to network sync like when cars appear to flicker side to side sometimes though i only noticed that during a couple of those manufacturer cup races)
Great analysis as always. Cheers bred 💯😛
Thats the problem with ghosting in these games, people end up not learning a crucial part of racing, avoiding contact and respecting yellow flags. I always try to avoid driving in to people even when they are ghosting, not because im scared they'll unghost, but because thats how I think racing should be.
Never thought I'd actually see two cars hit each other in GT7 online. Usually one or both of them becomes intangible.
Lol poor Tommy...voodoo magic. Made me laugh...loving the commentary 👌
4:28 I hope they give us 1 million credits for that bug lol
Makes for a very entertaining race mate lol
Yep, always hard through that section, but as long as you can thread it with one side of your wheels maintaining contact with the ground, the car won’t break loose. Easier said than done, especially when your line of site is blocked by opponents that may be in front of you.
I love the way you commentate lol. Reminds me of Chris Harris
loving the commentary
4:29 definitely GRT Timmy hit the gates of shadow realm
out of the maybe 10 times i’ve raced through that track I maybe hit it once i don’t remember struggling on it as much , except the wall to the right at the end of the curve which you had to avoid right before finishing it
The death chicane gave us a lot of suffer and big moments
8:22 boom we’re dead they’re dead as well and everyone is dead best quote of the video
I haven’t played a Gran Turismo game in so long. I love these games.
I've never noticed how much slower TCS makes you on exit (and cornering) speeds before playing this, probs because I've never played sims much, nor had the opportunity to change it on the fly, but now I drive mostly without it if I can be sensitive enough with that throttle.
Really, really loving GT 7 at the mo. I'll get smashed but gonna try some multi races today.
Timmy, fearing the ghosting beetle, jinked left too hard and into Barry R!!
I love that track. I won a Nations Cup race by 30 seconds there.
I think main issue here is the right wheels coming into contact with the curb. The curb is like a "c" shape. So near the end of the chicane, the right wheels clip the curb, gaining a lot of friction and upwards momentum, causing the car to swerve right and unsettling the car