This bag he built works fine for anyone getting 400'+ reliably (as in: 8 out of 10 on the actual course, not 1 in 5 with a distanceflex) which where I live include most intermediate players if they are physically fit. True rec players and intermediate players who compensate a lack of athleticism with more finesse might need to dial down some of these choices. Personally for Rec I would go with fewer discs. Mid/putter categories can blend into eachother more and the only category that needs a complete stability range is the fairway drivers. For a Rec player maxing out at 325' I'd say the Westside sword is the distancedriver (2 of them, the X-plastic Erica Stinchcomb and the Tournament plastic one). I'd ditch both evaders for a goldline explorer as well as it's easier on players with lower armspeed. Definately keep at least 1 maverick OR swap out for the Escape (I personally prefer Maverick but I haven't bagged either in a long time). Fury is a great roller disc but I personally prefer to throw a Seer in tournament plastic for the really silly big hyzer => big turnover finesse shots in the woods or when I need something to stay flippy when going severely uphill. As for the mids my Fuse is my most used disc but it's tricky getting a good one in regular opto plastic, I believe the gold-ice he picked might be more consistent (look for the slight dome that provides the extra stiffness when you push your thumb down, the soft flat-top optos are too flippy and won't ever flatten out of a turn. The X-plastic ones are all stiff enough but the first McCray teamseries fuse I got has too much dome, I believe it's a 2018 the later ones are all fine). Keep the emac truth in there as well. You probably won't use the clemons verdict or the justice for anything except approaches which kindof competes with the slammer so I'd say keep justice and slammer for trickshot utility and approach consistency and leave the verdict out. I like an opto pure for my straight putter throws and for flippy+floaty trickshots I throw a Bite (the Bite is large enough that a putter can fit inside of it so you get 2 discs in the bag for the space of 1).
@@Flakzor123 This pretty much sums me up. Rec player that's been playing for couple of years maxing out at 300-325'. I do not throw any 12 speeds at all, best I throw now is an 11 speed grace. Wondering your thoughts on the sword for a distance driver as a 12 speed for a rec player only throwing 325'? I have read others recommending the sword also, but just curious on your thoughts here. Also you recommended two different plastics. I do not know anything about westside plastic, but guessing one is more stable then the other for this mold?
@@justingunderson3296 since you already have the grace you don't need a 12 speed at all to be honest. The Sword has been a very good disc for easy distance for many years because its so much easier to throw decently than any other distancedriver (it really doesn't want to fade out early even if thrown by a noodlearm), there are a few comparisonvideos on the plastics so yea the stability is the main difference. I'd say my Erica Stinchomb sword is almost identical to my first run Grace in stability. My old TP sword is noticably more understable. Edit: If you actually want something flippy see if you can find a special edition Captain instead... might be hard I think they only did one run when launching that disc.
Yea he's a good dude. I live in his area and I see him out on the course a lot when he's in town. He's always talking to people and is active in the local scene even though him and Chris are the only two around here who are any good.
Just ordered a big order from Dynamic the other day and had not expected it to get it before Christmas… Boy was I surprised to see the shipping van come in today with my stuff. Thanks Guys! Will be nice breaking these in over the remainder of my holiday.
I remeber Zach when i was at Las Vegas watching lead card and you took my quiet sign and held it up and you said well not that im doing this what are you goint to do and i said im going to take a photo of you doing this i still have that photo.
Couldn't imagine just being in a room like that and getting to choose a whole bag of discs. Im just trying to get 2 or 3 new discs a year to try out man.
Yeah. That’s almost an exact copy of my bag I’ve been throwing for 2years now minus the fury and Sargent. Glad to see I’m in the right ballpark for disc selection
Definately would make some changes to this bag for an advanced player BUT not a lot of changes and the choices in the video are more than justified for sure. I'd switch one Raider out for a Tournament Sword to get more understability into the distance slot of the bag right from the get go. I'd add the Honor by Lat64 in there as well for the control driver part. Personally I'd add more Lat64 drivers because I use those myself but the fairway line up here was good for sure. I'd leave one Emac Truth out, I don't think 2 are needed in this bag and the person getting this bag could add another one in the future if needed. For the putter option I would definately add a Pure in there. Also a Harp for sure. And I'd switch the Lucid Judge for a Mercy BUT THAT'S MORE OF A FEEL THING for sure.
As an advanced player that throws mostly DD, he basically built my bag, I even have a Sergeant I just prefer the sheriff over the trespass for understable distance
I'm surprised Zach isn't still pumping out the Lucid X Mavericks. Those are absolute $$$. I changed my whole bag to a different brand and the only disc I kept in trilogy, was that one. Super sick disc
Pushing a cart through Dynamic's warehouse, filling up a brand new bag, take whatever fits in the bag. If this was the prize for a contest, I would cheat SO hard.
Max weight Fuzion Burst Trespasses have been at least as stable as a lighter weight Fuzion Raider in my experience. Both molds are nice, but I feel like most even advanced players should combo their stable Trespass with a Tournament Sword for a very similar feel but a slightly yet noticeably more understable flight (not flippy when new but understable). At least until the Trespass gets beat in.
It's really confusing to me that some of the numbers don't seem to reflect the description of the disc. Is this just because the player is advanced and can achieve different flight characteristics? The trespass being a 12/4/-0.5/4. Maybe I'm not very familiar with DD but I would think that's a neutral-stable disc. Then the felon is 9/4/0.5/4 and described as very overstable. I would again think this is a stable-neutral disc.
A Firebird is 9/3/0/4. And the Trespass has numbers between a Destroyer and an XCaliber No one would call either of them a "stable-neutral" disc. I'm gonna take a wild guess that you are forehand dominant?
I dont see how this is different than what a "pro" would throw. slammers, justice, judge, evader, raider, felon. Im sure even very basic player has many of these discs in their bag.
Keep at it Zach. You'll be advanced some day!
That’s real…
Love this, do more videos for an intermediate and rec players
This bag he built works fine for anyone getting 400'+ reliably (as in: 8 out of 10 on the actual course, not 1 in 5 with a distanceflex) which where I live include most intermediate players if they are physically fit. True rec players and intermediate players who compensate a lack of athleticism with more finesse might need to dial down some of these choices. Personally for Rec I would go with fewer discs. Mid/putter categories can blend into eachother more and the only category that needs a complete stability range is the fairway drivers. For a Rec player maxing out at 325' I'd say the Westside sword is the distancedriver (2 of them, the X-plastic Erica Stinchcomb and the Tournament plastic one). I'd ditch both evaders for a goldline explorer as well as it's easier on players with lower armspeed. Definately keep at least 1 maverick OR swap out for the Escape (I personally prefer Maverick but I haven't bagged either in a long time). Fury is a great roller disc but I personally prefer to throw a Seer in tournament plastic for the really silly big hyzer => big turnover finesse shots in the woods or when I need something to stay flippy when going severely uphill. As for the mids my Fuse is my most used disc but it's tricky getting a good one in regular opto plastic, I believe the gold-ice he picked might be more consistent (look for the slight dome that provides the extra stiffness when you push your thumb down, the soft flat-top optos are too flippy and won't ever flatten out of a turn. The X-plastic ones are all stiff enough but the first McCray teamseries fuse I got has too much dome, I believe it's a 2018 the later ones are all fine). Keep the emac truth in there as well. You probably won't use the clemons verdict or the justice for anything except approaches which kindof competes with the slammer so I'd say keep justice and slammer for trickshot utility and approach consistency and leave the verdict out. I like an opto pure for my straight putter throws and for flippy+floaty trickshots I throw a Bite (the Bite is large enough that a putter can fit inside of it so you get 2 discs in the bag for the space of 1).
@@Flakzor123 This pretty much sums me up. Rec player that's been playing for couple of years maxing out at 300-325'. I do not throw any 12 speeds at all, best I throw now is an 11 speed grace. Wondering your thoughts on the sword for a distance driver as a 12 speed for a rec player only throwing 325'? I have read others recommending the sword also, but just curious on your thoughts here. Also you recommended two different plastics. I do not know anything about westside plastic, but guessing one is more stable then the other for this mold?
@@justingunderson3296 since you already have the grace you don't need a 12 speed at all to be honest. The Sword has been a very good disc for easy distance for many years because its so much easier to throw decently than any other distancedriver (it really doesn't want to fade out early even if thrown by a noodlearm), there are a few comparisonvideos on the plastics so yea the stability is the main difference. I'd say my Erica Stinchomb sword is almost identical to my first run Grace in stability. My old TP sword is noticably more understable. Edit: If you actually want something flippy see if you can find a special edition Captain instead... might be hard I think they only did one run when launching that disc.
At first i thought the title was a huge roast towards Zach Melton lmao
Ive never seen a bad comment about zach. He seems like a solid dude. Cool video.
Yea he's a good dude. I live in his area and I see him out on the course a lot when he's in town. He's always talking to people and is active in the local scene even though him and Chris are the only two around here who are any good.
Don't forget about Macie...
Would love to see one for other player levels.
I immediately hit the like on the video as soon as I saw him dab.
but also the sound of his beard on the mic kills me😂
Zach is loving on the lucid plastic, very interesting. Great video concept!!!
Just snagged a melton maverick in green! Nice work Zack ! And props to dynamic disc for having awesome customer service during the order process!
I think Zach got it really close to right here. I'd love to see one for lower levels too, but this is great!
Zach is the man.
Just ordered a big order from Dynamic the other day and had not expected it to get it before Christmas… Boy was I surprised to see the shipping van come in today with my stuff. Thanks Guys! Will be nice breaking these in over the remainder of my holiday.
I remeber Zach when i was at Las Vegas watching lead card and you took my quiet sign and held it up and you said well not that im doing this what are you goint to do and i said im going to take a photo of you doing this i still have that photo.
Couldn't imagine just being in a room like that and getting to choose a whole bag of discs. Im just trying to get 2 or 3 new discs a year to try out man.
Thanks Zach for putting my bag together, appreciate it!
Great tips on getting the same driver mold in different weights!
More Zach videos, please and thank you. ❤
Wooow, I learned a lot about discs and disc plastics from this video. 👏 Awesome.
Yeah. That’s almost an exact copy of my bag I’ve been throwing for 2years now minus the fury and Sargent. Glad to see I’m in the right ballpark for disc selection
I like how you put the flight numbers on the videos
Definately would make some changes to this bag for an advanced player BUT not a lot of changes and the choices in the video are more than justified for sure. I'd switch one Raider out for a Tournament Sword to get more understability into the distance slot of the bag right from the get go. I'd add the Honor by Lat64 in there as well for the control driver part. Personally I'd add more Lat64 drivers because I use those myself but the fairway line up here was good for sure. I'd leave one Emac Truth out, I don't think 2 are needed in this bag and the person getting this bag could add another one in the future if needed. For the putter option I would definately add a Pure in there. Also a Harp for sure. And I'd switch the Lucid Judge for a Mercy BUT THAT'S MORE OF A FEEL THING for sure.
As an advanced player that throws mostly DD, he basically built my bag, I even have a Sergeant
I just prefer the sheriff over the trespass for understable distance
Just placed an order like 45 minutes ago. Only now to realize I could have snagged a beautiful invisible Justice.
I'm surprised Zach isn't still pumping out the Lucid X Mavericks. Those are absolute $$$. I changed my whole bag to a different brand and the only disc I kept in trilogy, was that one. Super sick disc
What am would limit themselves to one manufacturer? If you aren't sponsored there are some better options when you diversify.
Pushing a cart through Dynamic's warehouse, filling up a brand new bag, take whatever fits in the bag.
If this was the prize for a contest, I would cheat SO hard.
Would love a beginner bag vid please! Im very new
That ice plastic is so pretty. I want some in my bag!
bro he is definitely an advanced player
Max weight Fuzion Burst Trespasses have been at least as stable as a lighter weight Fuzion Raider in my experience. Both molds are nice, but I feel like most even advanced players should combo their stable Trespass with a Tournament Sword for a very similar feel but a slightly yet noticeably more understable flight (not flippy when new but understable). At least until the Trespass gets beat in.
I feel like this should've been a giveaway to one lucky GBO attendee..
Great video but felt you overlooked the Suspect and the Deputy (or just any of your beadless putters).
Classic judge for life
I love that Hoodie. Are those for sale somewhere?
Love the phonk music in the background 🔥
For one time it is given too the weight of the discs, imho (I'm a bad player), quite important
I like Zack knows the discs are less stable than the flight numbers suggest (except the ice)
Is that a usual thing with DD or is he just picking out the specific ones that are like that? Only DD disc I've got is a judge.
@@JaredTG. lucid and fusion plastic is always less stable than the numbers suggest.
@@JaredTG. Part of that is because trilogy's turn rating is on a scale of 0.5 to -3 unlike most companies that go from 1 to -5
love this. so many players out there hurting themselves by trying to throw pro discs
Pro discs are so good... reliable fade is key for consistency, but sure youll lose distance
I was just at the warehouse today to stamp my GBO disc, and I got THAT bag in my players pack 🤘🤘🤘😎
Zach IS an Advanced player... 😮
I just want to touch every single disc. They look so shiny and perfect 😩
It's really confusing to me that some of the numbers don't seem to reflect the description of the disc. Is this just because the player is advanced and can achieve different flight characteristics?
The trespass being a 12/4/-0.5/4. Maybe I'm not very familiar with DD but I would think that's a neutral-stable disc.
Then the felon is 9/4/0.5/4 and described as very overstable. I would again think this is a stable-neutral disc.
A Firebird is 9/3/0/4. And the Trespass has numbers between a Destroyer and an XCaliber No one would call either of them a "stable-neutral" disc. I'm gonna take a wild guess that you are forehand dominant?
@@ronjones-6977 nah the tresspass is more understable then what the numbers say
Why is a 9/6/-2/2 considered a roller disc? Is anyone out here flipping insanitys and valkyries all day?
i was really hoping this vid was gonna end with a surprise giveaway annoucement lol
got me a awesome raider ace today
Love ya Zachypoo!
Nice, let's get a ladies perspective as well. And the same from Lat64, Westside and Kastaplast. So another 7 videos to go ;)
Bob... Or Bobby. Or Robert. What are you doing for the sport?
Dang, no giveaway?
Cool video, Zach! I agree with everything said except sub the Warden for the Judge. Team Warden!
My main driver is an Air Sheriff.
I hope Melton can live his dream out to one day play with the pros.
No westside?!?
I dont see how this is different than what a "pro" would throw. slammers, justice, judge, evader, raider, felon. Im sure even very basic player has many of these discs in their bag.
I think you should build a bag for a random recreational player. And by random, I mean me. Mainly because I can't build a bag to save my life.
Dang I know Zach isn’t a top pro but you don’t have to do him like that
Giveaway?!?
2 min... wait... that's my bag
Can you just go ahead and send me all that free of charge??? Lol
The fact that he built a Trilogy bag without a Harp is just WRONG!!!
There’s not a single dynamic disc I would put in my bag tbh