Adding distance using a standstill throw! | Danny Lindahl Physics of Form ep. 6
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- A standstill throw is an important tool to have for your disc golf game. Being able to throw with power without needing to run up can save a ton of strokes off your final score. In this beginner friendly instructional video Danny explains how bad his standstill is and how he's looking to improve his standstill so he can add distance to his full throw. Do you throw from a standstill?
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There are those of us who are casual players that don't want to spend hours and hours practicing, and who are older, with poor eyesight and hand-to-eye coordination who can't get any accuracy throwing any other way. I've been playing for forty years, and have never been able to throw with a "run-up". When I try, my disc is likely to go anywhere but where I want it to go. I just want to get more distance throwing from a standstill. Thanks for this video. It is helpful for players like me.
This struggle is so relatable， trying to fix multiple things in a session．
I'm a standstill thrower because I lack the coordination to do the cross-step, and I found this more informative for me than most videos. And to touch on your next video that discusses reachback - for a standstill throw - there is only reachback. There's no movement that coincidentally times itself, relative to the disc, to have the body somehow move around it. So for standstill throws it's always about timing the movement of the entire body to where the disc can travel the farthest, most efficiently for the power used.
I want to see the video on if nose angle and spin have more to do with discs turning!
Stagger your front foot further. not wider but less in line. you can drive into the hips and "brace" better. it helps with falling forward and helps with driving with the hips. Instead of front heel in line with back toe add an extra foot width then try two foot widths as an exaggeration. This was a game changer for me.
I was searching this comment, i was gonna say the same. 👌
I love this format! Seeing your progressions through multiple reps really helps analyze how the throw goes together. Can't wait for a forehand video in this format!
This video is amazing bro. I'm fairly new to disc golf so my experienced buddy I play with is having me only throw stand stills when we play right now and this really just cleared up so many things for me. Thank you Danny and DD!
"It's getting better but I'm still not happy." Mood...
Wow. This video resonated with me so hard. When the new form you're working on starts to feel good, and you think, "I'll try to add more power to this now!" Then, all is lost. You realize you can no longer recreate that "good throw" feeling you had just minutes ago. This has been me for the past 2 years while trying to improve. Next time I do field work, I'm going to be determined to not try to immediately add power when a new form I'm working on starts to feel good.
Yes we want to see ALL the videos!!
Just one more example of the outstanding ways you took me from zero to 300 in about a decade less than it otherwise would have taken. Thanks again, this is just what I needed on standstill. I prefer your instructional method to watching you experiment, I think it's more engaging to be pithy and didactic in the matter-of-fact way you have in the past. Worked for me. Thanks man.
I watched the video several times in slow motion and the most important observation for me was that when the weight is shifted, the heel of the right foot lowers. I think it's kind of a "switch" for me that now I can actually move that weight. I have to go to the field to try it. I love you Danny!
Great vid, thanks!
I have the same problem, but this video might have given me a solution. To create the lag, your upper body has to be turning back at the same time as your legs and hips turn forward. I think slowing down the reachback/backswing could give your legs and hips more time to rotate: Only after your hips have started to open, have you reached the peak of the backswing.
Dunno, does this make sense?
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Guys he deserves a 100k! This is so beneficial and really nice work!
A missing link:
You mentioned that you find your trunk leaning over your lead toes rather than centered over your hips more.
Do your R Hip Internal rotation, then as you pull thru.. “time your L arm to punch down sync w your L Knee driving down into flexion”
You should feel your weight of trunk then more over your hips.
Additionally, you’ll notice the driving force punching down will then Rucker the arm speed.
Of course arm speed is focused on the speed of the elbow.
Additionally, drop the disc Lower in height prior to pull thru.. the disc will be more sync even your hips for power.
The higher, the more arm required or body leaning (body English)
Hope that helps!! It has for me
Like this one tho
Rocket not Rucker
Some good things to think about here when I work on my standstill. Thanks Danny! One thing I did notice though on mine was that when I "reach back" and shift my weight to my back foot, I tend to drop my left shoulder (being righthanded). Because of this, I was throwing the disc up due to the line of trajectory I was creating by dropping my left shoulder. Fixing this (when I concentrate and work on it) really helped.
I prefer to start in the xstep and take that last step if possiblem...and it helped me so much with my reach back timing ...driving forward after my front foot touched down...
This new type of training video is fantastic, the repetitions and commentary are unique compared to anything I’ve seen on TH-cam. Try to improve your forehand and approach rollers next since that’s what I want to work on.
Been throwing 3 months now and 99% has been field work, with one foray into a full 18 hole round, which was quite the disaster. I do about 5 field work days a week, 2 hrs each session, and can't seem to improve very much for the amount of work I've been putting into it. Your video makes me feel optimistic that if I continue to work at it the improvements will come about. Thank you
Thanks for the honest video. I think it’s important to show just how much work goes into creating a consistent form. I have been working on my x step this year cuz I’ve always just had a one step & a stand still. Now my stand still is slightly off but as you mentioned, always working on something! Oh & I agree that nose angle is more important than arm speed with the faster discs. I am not a very big person, but am very comfortable throwing 12, 13, 14 speed drivers because I can snap them flat & I have pretty good acceleration on my pull through even with having a slower arm comparatively.
Thank you DD & Danny. Its huge to be able to hear your thoughts as you rep & make small adjustments. My practice sessions will definitely be more efficient & productive after watching this. 🙏
I wish more people would film their field work like this. Very helpful to see someone else’s process.
Danny, you are the how to king. I've enjoyed and learned so much from your videos.
I liked your talking it through. I could relate to that very much.
Thanks for showing us your thought process throughout. Its great to know the little things that you think about
Definitely Appreciated this style of video because it shows the process and the thought process with it.
Would love to see a video on the nose angle getting a disc to turn instead of arm speed
“Throwing from a standstill” needs to be trashed and replaced with “throwing without an x step”. Too many people take it too literally and cut out the pieces that rob your power. “From a standstill” the lead foot never comes off the ground. Instead pick the lead toe off the ground, let it drift towards the target…doesn’t need to be a ton…video was correct in that too wide of a stance will rob hip rotation. Lead toe makes contact with the ground first, lead knee is bent at that point, heel hits ground, rotation on the heel while trying to smash it through the ground causes the front leg to actually brace and all that momentum comes shooting forward. Think of the front leg as a spring…in order get energy out of it you need to compress it…keeping your lead foot on the ground the entire time never allows you to do that. Arm also needs to be passive 100% of the time. “From a standstill” you should never be actively reaching back with your arm. Hip rotation will naturally put your throwing arm behind your torso, if you’re actively reaching back you’re simply speeding up that process…which means the disc will be heading towards the target before you can get that front leg braced and you’re leaking a majority of your power.
Take a baby step forward and don’t actively reach back…it’ll feel weird but it’ll start clicking. Toe should hit, compression of that heel into the ground upon rotation before that disc should be in the power pocket.
This was so much fun to watch, and relatable! Its pretty inspiring hearing you feedback yourself after every rep. Think this is the first time i've seen somebody play around with standstills, trying stuff out and talking about it :)
Bought my First DD disks yesterday. Been throwing for 6 weeks now and was able to throw my Vandal 385 feet. Felt amazing in the hand also. Going to pick up a few more discs tomorrow.
Push UP from the ground with your plant leg, not back. It still stops your forward directional potential energy and still converts it to rotational energy, but keeps the momentum and energy moving the correct direction. Pushing up also allows that hip to become the fulcrum of rotation for THE MOVEMENT, not your body. If you push opposing directions like you're describing, the fulcrum stays too close to YOUR center instead of the center of the motion, so the energy is closer to the center instead of out on the perimeter where it needs to be. Also, if you watch the video, you're concentrating so much on your legs/hips that you've started using more arm/shoulder muscles to throw, instead of letting the rotation and momentum power the throw.
Thank you Danny for doing this! I needed to see this and hear you walk through your thought process...THIS IS GOLD....TY!!
Love all your tutorials, YES on the NOSE ANGLE video, also OAT off axis torque might help some.
I have a theory what could potentially explain your discs turn. Wobble. 3 years ago I was thinking "wow i need more stable discs" because suddenly all started to turn over as I gained more speed to my disc release. Then the next summer I focused on release smoothness and I throw the same "flippy" discs further and my bag feels like someone put +2 turn on all my discs. I doubt your release is not as pure with standstill thus it causes more turn, especially with faster, slimmer, more angle sensitive -discs. This topic in my opinion is worth a video on itself. Otherwise a great vid. I love how you are able to break it apart and work on the go. And with actual result showing. I struggle with the same issues all the time but it is soooo hard to get a permanent change while holding the accuracy and feel on actual course.
As a new player, these videos help out tremendously! Keep them coming!
It's like the Milhouse Frisbee GIF brought to life! But we all have to do it, and I loved seeing the progress, even over just a short time.
Keep this type of content. Its like your old videos.
Love the process! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for sharing! This was valuable info I needed to hear! You explain the stand still vs extra step well!:) easy to understand for a beginner like me haha I practice my stand still throw & do hav some distance:)
I really like calling it a backswing. Really great idea.
.... but that's EXACTLY how muscle memory works....
Your body/brain, in moments of stress, or when you're not taking the time to slow down and think through something step by step, always reverts to the highest level you have MASTERED. If you haven't mastered it, it goes to the highest level you have made permanent habit - not the best thing, nor the newest thing, not even the most recent thing you've practiced, but the thing you've mastered or made PERMANENT habit (sometimes referred to as instinct). It takes about 1000 reps of near identical motions to make something permanent habit. You have to do it perfectly at least that many times to "master" it. Going back, and relearning, if you do enough correct reps, is EXACTLY how muscle memory is created and corrected.
Great tips!👌🥏
I agree with your observation about nose angle and turn. My GStar Corvette, a 14 speed, has a nice turn even at 370-380' feet. Did not see that turn out of that disc though until the end of last year/beginning of this year when I drastically improved my nose angle. People act like you need to throw 450-500ft for 14 speeds and the like to be useful and I couldn't disagree more.
Danny, I would like to see you analyze the form of players who throw far while putting little strain on their bodies. AJ Risley seems to just flow through the shot, and there was a DD player/ employee Cory Obermeyer if he's still around.
Definetly a full video about noseangle
Good video. Much more slow motion footage with analysis would have made your points clearer. You have great quickness and it appears that is where you generate speed on the disc. Discussion of that would be illuminating.
The parts you left out will make excellent content in future vids.
You can slow the speed from settings by yourself. :)
Nose angle video for high speed discs
Useing my Origi thats is my favorit disk. Lately it has began to go right in the end of the flight. It goes straigt the first 40 meters. I trow right arm backhand
I'm subscribed already!
Gonna practice this stuff
you should see if you could do a collab with OverThrow disc golf. 2 of the best coaches working together could be huge
Oh man. I had no idea how bad my front leg was until this video 😅 so thank you
I would love to a forehand video. I have tried so many adjustments for my forehand and it still is bad.
suggestion of a new way of looking at it...building the speed from the ground up, you reach back and rock backwards lifting your right heel, the first thing to move should be the right ankle, then transmitting the motion up your leg, through your hips, into your shoulder and out to the end of your arm with the last thing moving being your wrist. If something happens out of order is when it "doesn't feel right"
I can hardly break 200 feet. I think im releasing before the snap. Is the throwing arm more than halfway extended at the point of snap, or is it bent at like a 22 degree angle? Ive seen vids that claim both. Which is correct?
I really am that person that wants to go back to stand still and then work up my step slow. I have to slow down and try not to kill the disc every time.
Yes, another unsolicited opinion follows: You are turning your body as a unit with your arm instead of leading your arm with your body. It might help to one step into your "standstill" so that you are leaving the disc behind like your full run up. The quickest way to ruin your run up is to standstill and reach back. You will find yourself over reaching when you go back to your run up form.
Quit going to course,
Find a sparing partner.
And train throwing back and forth ,used to do this 4,5hrs at a time.
100 throws putter.
100 mid.
100.d.mid.
200.
200.
200. With driver's.
Do this twice a week.
1 month. I guarantee.
Major improvements.
I gained 100 yds.
I went from 250max
To 350 max. All in couple months. I was eager to do this, I knew what practice does from other sports. Knowledge hes telling u is on target.
But eventually, you have to go Olympics style training .. you'll get out, what u put in...
Build your throwing muscles too. During this training. I was instantly in cash groups from there on.
Train...find a partner, push each other. My friend could throw further, but I was a putting machine.
How far can you throw standstill right now? How much farther can you throw with a run-up?
I've done this and I realized I'm throwing just as far if not further doing a stand still then a xstep
Same with me - I am not giving up on the x step but I'll use standstill in the wooded courses all day. Much more repeatable. One day I'll go back to x step
"Getting faster discs to turn is more about nose angle than arm speed". Yeah I wanna see that video.
can confirm, if you have the arm speed for an 11 speed or so, nose up will make it not turn and nose down will make it turn. if you throw nose-up you will have to far exceed the normal required arm speed to throw it right.
Me: wow he got a great snap on that throw!
Danny: Oops sorry I think I hit the microphone on that one
Maybe keeping most of your body weight over you back foot longer will help.
Often when I have to standstill it's because there is something in the way. So usually the normal stance is not possible.
I have an outstanding backhand in tennis that’s probably why I throw 450 ‘ uphill with ease All right nwow
more.now.please.
I disagree that going back to the standstill is like learning to walk on your hands. You can't learn proper muscle memory with the reachback-pull-follow through if you don't start slow and uncomplicated. Slow and uncomplicated is a standing drive. After effectively learning the standing drive, it's less complex and confusing to add the cross-step...then eventually the run up. If you start learning to throw with run-ups right away, it'll likely be harmful to your learning process with the proper throwing form.
So confused in the “back leg pushing but front leg pushing back” part
What was the distance? You're saying 275-300. I wanna throw 400-500. All I'm getting are 200-250. And I wanna see you in 15' high, 25' wide hallway. 290' down and to the right. And on a lot of your shots, your nose is up 10 degrees.
can someone comment with a time stamp to where the good throw occurs? tbh all of the incorrect form is pretty painful to watch. it’s weird feeling like i should form critique danny…
Says a normal full-throw is "right foot, left foot, and then right foot", but in his demonstration does left foot, right foot, left foot, and then right foot. 🤔
The teacher is just trying to make sure you're paying attention. 😉
@@dynamicdiscs Great vid, tho. Stumbled on it by chance and really needed to see it.
Learning techniques from an AM 😂😂😂
open too early and plant to late :)
Oh how I miss Eric
Hey Danny, it was cute at first, but could we stop with the whole “only 60% of you are subscribed.”? Kinda lame
Lets g0 brand0n !