I love the smell of engine oil in the morning 😄 Ive been running liqui moly for last couple of years in both street and race cars. Really good stuff👍 I think they still are a family owned company, whitch is pretty cool
I love the tutorial format that you, and Robert have been doing lately! Big thanks to you, and George, for giving us the real world information on the Apex vehicles operation and service.
Hello Comrade ... interesting video as always. I"ve been changing the engine oil (5W30 LL) on my 2018 MK7.5 Golf R every 6K of "spirited" road miles from new and also additional oil changes after TD / Ring trips. It's @ 20K miles now and so far it's had 4 oil & filter changes. (VW recommend around 15K miles between oil changes) which I personally think it's too far apart. Previously on my 2003 M3 CSL I changed it's 10W60 engine oil & filter every 3K miles but that was extensively used at the Ring & UK TDs and not a daily driver like the Golf R is. BMW recommendation for the E46 M3 / CS & the CSL is 15K road miles as well, which is way too much for the S54 engine IMHO and it's what often causes the catastrophic failure of the S54 bottom end... as well as the Vanos issues. My Golden rule is... change engine oil way more frequently than any OEM recommendation.
Maintenance vlogs would be an awesome addition to your channel. Imo what always made your channel so great was the variety. You showed us every aspect of life at the Ring, and despite a lot of it not being flashy or exciting it was fun to watch because it was honest and felt genuine.
Great practical info. Manufacturers care more about doing well on fuel economy tests than extending the life of your car. 40 weight oil has additives that aren't in thinner oils because they fail emissions tests. Heavier oils also create fewer deposits in DI engines. Good videos from driven racing oil.
The 5W-30 LL was the first thing i got rid off after receiving my Mk6 GTI and changed to 5W40 (which is also covered by VW) Interesting that you use it for nearly all cars, but yes driving conditions determine what you should use
@@elias1208 5W30 i used in my VW Diesels, when i changed to TFSI i had a different driving profile to before, so the 5W40 is more suited and also was recommend by friends at the local dealer and let´s face it, the thicker oil does make sense with +100hp/L, if you give it the beans on the Autobahn
Have you ever done an oil analysis of the used oil to see how bad the oil is after a certain time? It’s just ca 75€ and you get a Full Report of all main oil properties
Compared to the US, around here in Europe an used oil analysis costs as much as an oil change. Or more (I've been quoted between 60EUR and 200EUR for an UOA). I've got 6 bottles from Blackstone and I will ship some oil over to the US because it's cheaper. Until then I will just drain the oil at 2500-6000kms (depending on how it looks, smells, and how I drove with it) because it seems to be cheaper than just keeping it in the engine 2k kms more and paying for an UOA just to see if I could go any longer with it.
Almost all cars have the type of Brake fluid that is required for the system listed on the top of the master cylinder fill cap as well as in the owners manual . The manual will have a list of recommended brands and most manufactures will list the if they're factory approved on the label . Using anything other than what the factory recommends will void your warranty , and can cause damage to unmodified brake systems .
@@AlbonHamburg for european weather wouldnt 5w40 make more sense? 5 allows to start/drive up to -30C while the 40 doesnt say as much as the 5 i believe it can handle high heat better than the 0w40 . For example Liqui moly / Meguin full synthetic oil.
In 2007 we won the Daytona 24hr race. The oil we used was a store bought 15W50 Mobil1. Two years prior one of our cars ran the Daytona24 for 14hr to the end with oil temps pegged at 150C when body work was damaged and impeded air cooling. Mobil1 is the finest oil you can use for longevity and endurance. In my street turbo diesel car, I once extended an oil change to 18 months and 57000 km. Currently my car has 460000 km on orignal engine, turbo, clutch.
@@selespeed3 But the transmission manufacturers that sells their transmissions to BMW says every 60000 km in a normal use, long life oil are bullshit :D
Great vid, love the technical stuff. We moved to 10w60 on my wife's 8P S3 as it's mainly used for track days. Being in South Africa, ambient temps are always high. We found that since changing to the 10w60, we get virtually no wear on the cam follower of the high pressure fuel pump, even with the upgraded pump internals. My E46 M3 runs 10w60 as well, as per manufacturer recommendations, won't change this due to the rod bearing issues that already affect the S54.
I always change the DSG oil at 20k miles. Same with Haldex oil. Basically half the recommended change schedule. I would rather spend a small amount on more regular maintenance than £2-3000 on a new mechatronic unit.
@@Mac_F87 That's great. I wish in future when I buy other car with this type of gearbox to be from a guy like you. Most of the people never change it and only drive it. In my country most cars are second hand cars from Italy and that's gonna be problem.
@@TheMilenkata I learnt the hard way. My last car had a mechatronic failure. I bought it with when it had done 37k. I think those had been 37k hard miles with lots of launches and no gearbox maintenance!
@@ZanicL3 I’ve never had any issue with that yet. I have not had any of my DSG cars in track though. Could well happen on track when being driven hard.
Thanks, was wondering about the M2. I've not run mine on track and having an experienced view on these things like oil and brake pads really helps. I've put braided brake lines and some Pagid RSL29's on it, flushed the brakefluid to RBF660. I'm hoping this will do for my local track (Zolder, lot's of hard braking). I'll be replacing the oil after this first track day next week, according to the bill i've received with the car it has 0W40 in it from a main BMW dealer. I've done the same 'one oil fits all' type of exercise for a fleet of 5000 cars. When I arrived at this job they used 4 different types of oils, I thought this was madness since the mechanics then just used whatever was closest available to their work station, some just used the same oil for every single car. I managed to get it down to 2 types of oil which suite all manufacterers spec (0W20, 5W30, Petronas). So now it's easier for the mechnanics and it saves a lot in storage cost and we got better deals from suppliers so costs went down. Total win win situation.
Probably lots of “racers “ will understand that manufacturers say 10/15k km for the street normal driving. More abuse of the acceleration means less km for the oil life 👌 Thanks M&G 👍
Use Ester Synthetic, ester oil is superior. The number one reason to use ester oil is bond. Ester oil has an electrochemical bond because the ester molecule is polar, sort of like a fridge magnet. It is attracted to metal and sticks. Normal synthetic oil, PAO, is like plastic in your fridge, it will just fall off once the pressure is released. All commercial jet planes flying use an ester synthetic oil.
As an oil analysis Nerd, Yes, modern syntetic motor oils from well known brands like Valvoline, Castrol, Mobil, Liqui Moly are very very very good, i would recommend Apex to have oil analysis done on one test car, i allways use 5W-40 on my 2005 Carerra S, no problems what so ever, oil analysis the last 5 years have been consistent ! OCI at 10000 km.
we usually use motul 300v on the track in china and change it after 3000KM, every one care the engine if work well but nobody care transmission oil but now i got it through this video thx Misha
I switched to Castrol Edge Long Life 5w30 about 5 years ago and it's been the only oil where during the interval it didn't burn off enough to trigger a low oil life. Everything else I've tried, it drops by at least 1 litre in 15-20k km interval.
On my 991.1 3.4, switching to Motul 5w40 from Mobil 1 0w40 quieted the valve train significantly. When warm, the noise can come from the top end of the engine from the two piece lifters, but don't quote me on that. When cold, the 911's top end can make noise since the hydraulic lifters need to fill. Told by multiple shops and dealers that both noises are "normal", but with 5w40 I don't ever hear both. Currently at 70k miles with a few track days, and still don't burn more than 100ml of oil every 7K miles.
Apex, I love the video format but if you guys would write this stuff down into a blog with some numbers to underscore the research you guys are doing, you'd really strife to become an authority on the domain of auto racing with street cars. Finding proper knowledge on running regular cars on the track is extremely hard and in all my time this channel is the sole and only providing this kind of information. I thank you heartedly for this and I think a written Blog with the same content would be extremely valueable. I'd recommend hiring a freelance copywriter to transcribe these vlogs into a blog and I think you could draw even more traffic to your website and business. Thanks again guys, keep it up.
I remember using full synthetic oil in my 2 stroke moped and found I could use half as much back in 1980..so from then I knew how much better synthetic oil was.... :-)
I alternate between the two official Ford specs listed for my car. 0W-40 in winter and 5W-50 for summer and track days. You touched on the manufacturer approval for certain brands. There is an example with Mobil One where for a short period they did not agree on the price with BMW on the certification. So from one year to the next all of a sudden it was not good anymore but the oil composition was the same. Certain people kept using it, while others did not. It’s a political game as well in some cases but I agree for peace of mind stay with the API/ SN from the OEM. I also agree that Manthey is one of a kind. They will do their best to help and know their stuff. KW had a design flaw in their 2way Clubsport for the MK3 RS and following my collaboration with the Manthey suspension expert they had KW change the design to prevent the issue I detected on my car. Other dealers would simply replace part for part and tell you to go away until the problem appears again and you come back. If anyone wants to see excellence in cars without being judged for not running half a million under your bum, go to Manthey.
5 is viscosity when cold, 30 is the viscosity when at the designated operating temperature. Multi viscosity oils have viscosity index shifters to increase viscosity when hotter than start up temperature.
George....nice mention for Opie oils. I get great service from them for Ester-based Motul 5W50. Cheers Misha for an informative vid on how things are done at the Apex garage.
Good video. Well thought out and presented. Thank you. Showcasing the cars as a visual aid worked really well. This is also content that can be listened to whilst the viewer undertakes other tasks. A spot of Liqui Moly branding would be a nice touch on the cars.
Id say a 10w60 is defenetly more of a summer oil. Ill use 5w50 motul on my track car. Its an old really high reving car tho. So i think that this will be a good decision in that. On the other track car we run a simple 10w40 motul. Also an old car wich is not as high strung nor is it a very expensive engine. Quite a tanky engine that doesnt eat any oil. The most important part on track used cars is the frequent oil change I think. Oil that gets lots of extrem heat cycles wears much more quickly. And thats also very visible and even smellable. It just gets dark more quickly.
Awesome video from you and George again Misha, also love that jacket George is supporting very nice, get onto Robert and get them in the apex store and put me down for one 👍🏻
I was going to comment that you are using the wrong brand of oil but you make a good point about limitations in what you can purchase where you are. In truth most oil brands work the same, even the cheapest brand of synthetic will work as well as the most expensive synthetic oil for a daily driver street car. I know I’m North America most track or race cars will run Royal Purple because it’s a pure synthetic unlike most synthetic oils like Mobil 1 that are full of waxes and other additives to reduce cost. Very informative video.
Misha it would be hugely educational if you got the taxi oil tested, you guys have such an extreme use case. Even if you can't share the specifics with us, please let us know!
Misha, thanks for a great video, but it would be also great if you could go a bit deeper into details, do some testing or analysis (as other has already mentioned down in the comments) and not just oil, but brake fluid, filters and etc. Technical information always attracts car guys, it's especially valuable from a person that inside that industry! Thanks for the videos! Спасибо!
Very interesting issues on the oil. I use 5w40 on my van that comes for 40.000 kms and I change at 20.000 kms...think it's too much. On my other cars 5w30 Castrol. Good oil...change once per year.
there are cases that the manufacturing specs are not the best if you mod the car and track it subaru impreza wrx sti, for example, you really need to put in 5-50 /10-60 if you beat on the car because of the heat and it will eat the bearings in the engine. but nice vid, important is keeping the oil in the best range otherwise it will break down fast.
I REALLY hope I can get some more info from you guys regarding servicing. I bought a BMW M4 2 years ago, and in those two years, it's seen less than 3K miles. BMW state that every 3rd oil change, they need to replace the spark plugs. As this is a £1000 service, is this REALLY needed?
hi Misha, I personally use 10w60 for winter and 15w50 for summer from the Motul brand, I am on an island and for the manual gearbox it is the one recommended by Honda 😊😇😉
Hello for the winter the 10w60 is more suitable for my civic type r, given the number of revolutions minutes it takes and also the oil is operational very quickly despite the temperature of winter
@@leonhardbengs yeah, many Japanese manufactures recommend 0w20 oil due to today’s tight engine clearances but mainly gas mileage. For the track, I would run a 5w30 and not run a 0w20 ( unless it’s a w20 oil specially designed for racing).
@@apolloandratti7922 i wouldn't run a 0w20 on track either, its the oil that is recommended and works best in most cases except when you have high oil temps after a few laps, i would rather use a 5w40 Oil in mine for cooler oil temps
changing oils-fluids is most important thing to car run.. got 1.9tdi with 2.3milion km, and run work like new.. probably less HP cos of kilometers, but cos 5-10k km oil change it runs perfect, fires on 1st
Interesting note, the 5w30 or thiner oils are mostly for emission and fuel saving reasons introduced by the manufactures. So a slightly thicker oil can be a sensible choice for track applications, as mentioned in the video.
On track it's not about "30" i.e. the 100°C weight, it's about HTHS i.e. the 150°C number referring to performance in the hotspots (around piston rings etc.).
I wasnt in the auto industry long and this was 10 years. They taught us in auto tech that with old school transmissions, it was better to replace the filter and not the fluid when doing a service to help worn clutches grip. Can someone shed some light on that?
I always use 5W40 Motul or Liqui Moly. On a CL7 Accord which recommends 0W20 in the manual which nobody obeys to because it's water thin at 100°c and it can wear out the exhaust cam on these K series.
You guys should run the Mosselman oil thermostat on the S55s.. it’s only 329€ and makes a big difference on the oil temps. Remember the Christmas party last year?
Maybe totally OT but I used Fucks Titan for my R/C engines for over 10 years and while other's engines failed, mine worked. For my VW Golf IV 1.9TDI I used Fuchs and LM, both are fantastic, had 400k km on it when I sold it. Best car I ever had, never let me down.
The 86 manual says 0W20 and 5W30, so the 5W30 is the "thicker" oil for that car. I use 5W30 in my turbo mod'ed subtropical climate (no subzero winters) 86. Funnily enough, I think it says in the manual that if you use 5W30 you should use 0W20 at the next change (not that anyone ever seems to do this). 5W30 seems a lot easier to find also.
Great video. Maserati quattroporte 4.2 and ferrari 360 use very thick oil and both sometime get problems on cam varistors.. now I know why. But it's an easy fix and their are amazing cars!! 🥰🥰😍
Hey! Maybe you guys can mention/ask George what about the supposed "lifetime fluid" that many manufacturers (e.g., Audi) say that the ZF 8 gearboxes have and should NEVER be changed? Love the content.
Good Evening Misha & George. 9:20pm NZtime & my phone notifys me of your new Vlog post The Science & physics of various grades of Oils is very interesting! I LiKE it !..👍🙂👍 I gotta say I LOVE the color of the iridescent Blue BMW you had parked in the line up. And I much much prefer the front grille design compared to the BiG UGLY lookin SNOUT of the new latest model Beemer! LOVE Ya Work bro💕 Godbless hava great weekend🙂
I can't wait for differ oil video. I run GT86 exclusively on track: changing engine oil after each 4 track days (Millers 5W30), but found out that differ is getting hot. So ended out changing differ oil every second oil change (Millers 75w140). Also put Cusco radiator on differ to cool it down. I wonder what your experiences are with GT86 maintenance in terms of oils, especially differ?
During my period with K20A2 I tried Ravenol RCS 5W40 / Sunoco Synturo 5W50 / Rowe RSI 5W40. I felt that the engine is more free revving and agressive with 5W40, but around 8000 RPM it felt smoother (less vibrations) with 5W50. Guys from typer.cz gang would swear by Castrol 10W60 specifically. But that's for tuned K20 & track use. At the same time it is hard to argue with wear analysis on tens of built engines.
Hi Misha, I was wondering about the long life oil under normal circumstances. Here in America I’ve never heard of a oil full synthetic or not that can last 15,000-19,000 miles. Usually I see 10,000 which is the limit at which everybody changes their oil at or even before. Is there some special oil over there, or does this have to do with different regulations and what not?
I personally like to use olive oil...
This is not your mixer Tom..
This was about cars Tom :))
@@tiagom.2706 Luckily he keeps it personal. You don't wanna know when he revs in his hands.
Sorry mate, but engine oils have nothing in common with your sexual experience 😅
Only on the Italian cars
Goodmorning indeed! 30-40 minutes is perfect!
I love the smell of engine oil in the morning 😄
Ive been running liqui moly for last couple of years in both street and race cars. Really good stuff👍
I think they still are a family owned company, whitch is pretty cool
Two hundred and forty FIRST!!!!
#winning
I love the tutorial format that you, and Robert have been doing lately! Big thanks to you, and George, for giving us the real world information on the Apex vehicles operation and service.
Hello Comrade ... interesting video as always. I"ve been changing the engine oil (5W30 LL) on my 2018 MK7.5 Golf R every 6K of "spirited" road miles from new and also additional oil changes after TD / Ring trips. It's @ 20K miles now and so far it's had 4 oil & filter changes. (VW recommend around 15K miles between oil changes) which I personally think it's too far apart. Previously on my 2003 M3 CSL I changed it's 10W60 engine oil & filter every 3K miles but that was extensively used at the Ring & UK TDs and not a daily driver like the Golf R is. BMW recommendation for the E46 M3 / CS & the CSL is 15K road miles as well, which is way too much for the S54 engine IMHO and it's what often causes the catastrophic failure of the S54 bottom end... as well as the Vanos issues. My Golden rule is... change engine oil way more frequently than any OEM recommendation.
Maintenance vlogs would be an awesome addition to your channel. Imo what always made your channel so great was the variety. You showed us every aspect of life at the Ring, and despite a lot of it not being flashy or exciting it was fun to watch because it was honest and felt genuine.
One of the most relevant oil measurements is the HTHS (high temperature high shear) number.
You are right !.
Great practical info. Manufacturers care more about doing well on fuel economy tests than extending the life of your car. 40 weight oil has additives that aren't in thinner oils because they fail emissions tests. Heavier oils also create fewer deposits in DI engines. Good videos from driven racing oil.
The 5W-30 LL was the first thing i got rid off after receiving my Mk6 GTI and changed to 5W40 (which is also covered by VW)
Interesting that you use it for nearly all cars, but yes driving conditions determine what you should use
Why did you get rid of 5W-30? Whats the big difference you felt with 5W40?
@@elias1208 5W30 i used in my VW Diesels, when i changed to TFSI i had a different driving profile to before, so the 5W40 is more suited and also was recommend by friends at the local dealer
and let´s face it, the thicker oil does make sense with +100hp/L, if you give it the beans on the Autobahn
Man the GT86 Is so slick
Have you ever done an oil analysis of the used oil to see how bad the oil is after a certain time?
It’s just ca 75€ and you get a Full Report of all main oil properties
Interested aswell!
This.
Would be interesting to do!
Compared to the US, around here in Europe an used oil analysis costs as much as an oil change. Or more (I've been quoted between 60EUR and 200EUR for an UOA). I've got 6 bottles from Blackstone and I will ship some oil over to the US because it's cheaper. Until then I will just drain the oil at 2500-6000kms (depending on how it looks, smells, and how I drove with it) because it seems to be cheaper than just keeping it in the engine 2k kms more and paying for an UOA just to see if I could go any longer with it.
@@mgcharoudin highly recommend Blackstone Laboratories
I hoped you mentioned brake fluid, there is a lot of myths and probably misconception about it.
Not really "oil", but we'll bring it up with our brakes video!
Almost all cars have the type of Brake fluid that is required for the system listed on the top of the master cylinder fill cap as well as in the owners manual . The manual will have a list of recommended brands and most manufactures will list the if they're factory approved on the label . Using anything other than what the factory recommends will void your warranty , and can cause damage to unmodified brake systems .
PUNDARE!!!
Endless brake fluid is the best !.
Good morning Misha and George, very informative yet again.
I use Castrol Edge 0W-40 on my 335i (n54). Works wonderfully!
Castrol isn't good compared to other oil producers. Try motul instead, it’s a way better formula.
@@AlbonHamburg for european weather wouldnt 5w40 make more sense? 5 allows to start/drive up to -30C while the 40 doesnt say as much as the 5 i believe it can handle high heat better than the 0w40 . For example Liqui moly / Meguin full synthetic oil.
@@visker81You are right ! . 5w40 viscosity oils is perfect for Europe.
@@MDEV-86x86 thanks appreciate it.
Glad to see you guys make it through the COVID situation. Seems like world leaders are trying to put small businesses out of business.
In 2007 we won the Daytona 24hr race. The oil we used was a store bought 15W50 Mobil1. Two years prior one of our cars ran the Daytona24 for 14hr to the end with oil temps pegged at 150C when body work was damaged and impeded air cooling. Mobil1 is the finest oil you can use for longevity and endurance. In my street turbo diesel car, I once extended an oil change to 18 months and 57000 km. Currently my car has 460000 km on orignal engine, turbo, clutch.
A would appreciate a video about the DSG/ DKG / PDK oil change 😬
i asked BMW that question but they said it is not necessary to change that oil! even after 100000km
i encourage this! since i didnt hear what type of oil they use, or have there preference!
nice videos misha always a joy
@@selespeed3 But the transmission manufacturers that sells their transmissions to BMW says every 60000 km in a normal use, long life oil are bullshit :D
Great vid, love the technical stuff. We moved to 10w60 on my wife's 8P S3 as it's mainly used for track days. Being in South Africa, ambient temps are always high. We found that since changing to the 10w60, we get virtually no wear on the cam follower of the high pressure fuel pump, even with the upgraded pump internals. My E46 M3 runs 10w60 as well, as per manufacturer recommendations, won't change this due to the rod bearing issues that already affect the S54.
10w60 is the OE recommended visco? Interesting.
@@5thgearouttahere for the S54 yes, it's the recommend Viscosity from BMW for our region.
@@martindeoliveira5128 Cool
Great content. I wish more people maintain their DSG, SMG and all G gearboxes more regularly.
I always change the DSG oil at 20k miles. Same with Haldex oil. Basically half the recommended change schedule. I would rather spend a small amount on more regular maintenance than £2-3000 on a new mechatronic unit.
@@Mac_F87 That's great. I wish in future when I buy other car with this type of gearbox to be from a guy like you. Most of the people never change it and only drive it. In my country most cars are second hand cars from Italy and that's gonna be problem.
@@TheMilenkata I learnt the hard way. My last car had a mechatronic failure. I bought it with when it had done 37k. I think those had been 37k hard miles with lots of launches and no gearbox maintenance!
@@Mac_F87 Have u ever had issues in the summer? Like that the DSG oil is overheating?
@@ZanicL3 I’ve never had any issue with that yet. I have not had any of my DSG cars in track though. Could well happen on track when being driven hard.
Thanks, was wondering about the M2. I've not run mine on track and having an experienced view on these things like oil and brake pads really helps. I've put braided brake lines and some Pagid RSL29's on it, flushed the brakefluid to RBF660. I'm hoping this will do for my local track (Zolder, lot's of hard braking). I'll be replacing the oil after this first track day next week, according to the bill i've received with the car it has 0W40 in it from a main BMW dealer.
I've done the same 'one oil fits all' type of exercise for a fleet of 5000 cars. When I arrived at this job they used 4 different types of oils, I thought this was madness since the mechanics then just used whatever was closest available to their work station, some just used the same oil for every single car. I managed to get it down to 2 types of oil which suite all manufacterers spec (0W20, 5W30, Petronas). So now it's easier for the mechnanics and it saves a lot in storage cost and we got better deals from suppliers so costs went down. Total win win situation.
Didn't think this vid would for me... but watched it till end... a sign of great informative content 👍
Perfect start on a Saturday morning 😊👍
Probably lots of “racers “ will understand that manufacturers say 10/15k km for the street normal driving.
More abuse of the acceleration means less km for the oil life 👌
Thanks M&G 👍
Use Ester Synthetic,
ester oil is superior. The number one reason to use ester oil is bond. Ester oil has an electrochemical bond because the ester molecule is polar, sort of like a fridge magnet. It is attracted to metal and sticks. Normal synthetic oil, PAO, is like plastic in your fridge, it will just fall off once the pressure is released. All commercial jet planes flying use an ester synthetic oil.
Who the F%^& gives this video a thumbs down??? Where else can you get real practical knowledge like this. Misha and George thank You!
3:20 society (of) automotive engineers (US Automotive Standards)
Same like „VDA“ in Germany
I use Liqui Moly and it is great.
As an oil analysis Nerd, Yes, modern syntetic motor oils from well known brands like Valvoline, Castrol, Mobil, Liqui Moly are very very very good, i would recommend Apex to have oil analysis done on one test car, i allways use 5W-40 on my 2005 Carerra S, no problems what so ever, oil analysis the last 5 years have been consistent ! OCI at 10000 km.
And Amsoil Signature Series !.
And what brand 5w40 you use in your Porsche?.
we usually use motul 300v on the track in china and change it after 3000KM, every one care the engine if work well but nobody care transmission oil but now i got it through this video thx Misha
I switched to Castrol Edge Long Life 5w30 about 5 years ago and it's been the only oil where during the interval it didn't burn off enough to trigger a low oil life. Everything else I've tried, it drops by at least 1 litre in 15-20k km interval.
On my 991.1 3.4, switching to Motul 5w40 from Mobil 1 0w40 quieted the valve train significantly. When warm, the noise can come from the top end of the engine from the two piece lifters, but don't quote me on that. When cold, the 911's top end can make noise since the hydraulic lifters need to fill. Told by multiple shops and dealers that both noises are "normal", but with 5w40 I don't ever hear both. Currently at 70k miles with a few track days, and still don't burn more than 100ml of oil every 7K miles.
Apex, I love the video format but if you guys would write this stuff down into a blog with some numbers to underscore the research you guys are doing, you'd really strife to become an authority on the domain of auto racing with street cars. Finding proper knowledge on running regular cars on the track is extremely hard and in all my time this channel is the sole and only providing this kind of information. I thank you heartedly for this and I think a written Blog with the same content would be extremely valueable. I'd recommend hiring a freelance copywriter to transcribe these vlogs into a blog and I think you could draw even more traffic to your website and business. Thanks again guys, keep it up.
I like this deeper tech talk a lot!
Always used 5w40 on my '90s honda(s) VTEC. No issues even on trackdays.
Focken rice burner!
What's brand ?.
@@MDEV-86x86 motul
I remember using mineral oils and semi synthetic. I'm old.
Lol.time has changed mate
I remember using full synthetic oil in my 2 stroke moped and found I could use half as much back in 1980..so from then I knew how much better synthetic oil was.... :-)
SMURF!!
@@callefalk6557 Snoopy!
In my daily driver (2002 Jetta GLX 4 speed auto) i run Liqui Moly Molygen 5W40 personally, love that oil
I alternate between the two official Ford specs listed for my car. 0W-40 in winter and 5W-50 for summer and track days.
You touched on the manufacturer approval for certain brands. There is an example with Mobil One where for a short period they did not agree on the price with BMW on the certification. So from one year to the next all of a sudden it was not good anymore but the oil composition was the same.
Certain people kept using it, while others did not. It’s a political game as well in some cases but I agree for peace of mind stay with the API/ SN from the OEM.
I also agree that Manthey is one of a kind. They will do their best to help and know their stuff. KW had a design flaw in their 2way Clubsport for the MK3 RS and following my collaboration with the Manthey suspension expert they had KW change the design to prevent the issue I detected on my car.
Other dealers would simply replace part for part and tell you to go away until the problem appears again and you come back.
If anyone wants to see excellence in cars without being judged for not running half a million under your bum, go to Manthey.
I have been using Motul Oil 5W/60 for many years and it's amazing! 2008 R56 280PSI
5 is viscosity when cold, 30 is the viscosity when at the designated operating temperature. Multi viscosity oils have viscosity index shifters to increase viscosity when hotter than start up temperature.
I personally run 0W30 in my E46 320i. Generally changing oil once it goes lower-ish on the dipstick.
As a further note. I drive a minimum of 2,000 km's a month. So changes are usually something like twice a year.
Liqui Moly better sponsor this channel now 😂
I know right 😂
Ahaha
The best oil in The world xaxaxa
Nah, this oil review was presented by y-food 🤪🤣🤣
TURBONEGRO!!
Seriously good one. More videos of this sort please. We also need a proper detailing vlog with Pete again.
Really best channel on youtube. I see that you really know what your talking about. A huge BIG up for true facts.
George....nice mention for Opie oils. I get great service from them for Ester-based Motul 5W50. Cheers Misha for an informative vid on how things are done at the Apex garage.
Good video. Well thought out and presented. Thank you. Showcasing the cars as a visual aid worked really well. This is also content that can be listened to whilst the viewer undertakes other tasks. A spot of Liqui Moly branding would be a nice touch on the cars.
Id say a 10w60 is defenetly more of a summer oil. Ill use 5w50 motul on my track car. Its an old really high reving car tho. So i think that this will be a good decision in that. On the other track car we run a simple 10w40 motul. Also an old car wich is not as high strung nor is it a very expensive engine. Quite a tanky engine that doesnt eat any oil.
The most important part on track used cars is the frequent oil change I think.
Oil that gets lots of extrem heat cycles wears much more quickly. And thats also very visible and even smellable. It just gets dark more quickly.
Top, informational and quality content as always. Enjoyed this one Misha & George :)
I really like this type of videos with George 👌
you should make more videos with George, technical stuff sounds interesting to me
Misha, you scared the shit out of me with your sponsor joke haha. I f*cking hate that crap. Keep up the good vlogs!
Love this sort on content always really informative and gives you a better idea of what goes in to running this sort of a business.
This topic today is a slippery slope! - Interesting Video!
Awesome video from you and George again Misha, also love that jacket George is supporting very nice, get onto Robert and get them in the apex store and put me down for one 👍🏻
The video went very smooth!
I was going to comment that you are using the wrong brand of oil but you make a good point about limitations in what you can purchase where you are. In truth most oil brands work the same, even the cheapest brand of synthetic will work as well as the most expensive synthetic oil for a daily driver street car. I know I’m North America most track or race cars will run Royal Purple because it’s a pure synthetic unlike most synthetic oils like Mobil 1 that are full of waxes and other additives to reduce cost. Very informative video.
Misha it would be hugely educational if you got the taxi oil tested, you guys have such an extreme use case.
Even if you can't share the specifics with us, please let us know!
Good job! Wish you all the best in future
Misha, thanks for a great video, but it would be also great if you could go a bit deeper into details, do some testing or analysis (as other has already mentioned down in the comments) and not just oil, but brake fluid, filters and etc. Technical information always attracts car guys, it's especially valuable from a person that inside that industry! Thanks for the videos! Спасибо!
These videos are dopely informative
I am excited for an in indepth video for the M2 :)
Great video and again great cars as usual. Love the 911 GT3 RS and the 4 seater BMW.
look at that, 0 dislikes ah what a beautiful sight
You jinxed it. There’s always one. Lol
Or 6 🙄 I've noticed the dickhead ratio is usually around 1/100 on Misha's channel
“Dickhead ratio” I have to remember that for when I’m at work. 😂
Very interesting issues on the oil.
I use 5w40 on my van that comes for 40.000 kms and I change at 20.000 kms...think it's too much.
On my other cars 5w30 Castrol.
Good oil...change once per year.
there are cases that the manufacturing specs are not the best if you mod the car and track it
subaru impreza wrx sti, for example, you really need to put in 5-50 /10-60 if you beat on the car because of the heat and it will eat the bearings in the engine.
but nice vid, important is keeping the oil in the best range otherwise it will break down fast.
I REALLY hope I can get some more info from you guys regarding servicing. I bought a BMW M4 2 years ago, and in those two years, it's seen less than 3K miles. BMW state that every 3rd oil change, they need to replace the spark plugs. As this is a £1000 service, is this REALLY needed?
Near the end, it was mentioned ‘no issues like with cheaper oils’ ... what kind of issues were these ?
Really great video.. Useful and informative 👍👍👍
One of the problems you can run into with higher mileage life oils is the filter is not higher life.
hi Misha, I personally use 10w60 for winter and 15w50 for summer from the Motul brand, I am on an island and for the manual gearbox it is the one recommended by Honda 😊😇😉
Bro that is so fucking thick. And why use a higher thickness in winter?
Hello for the winter the 10w60 is more suitable for my civic type r, given the number of revolutions minutes it takes and also the oil is operational very quickly despite the temperature of winter
Will you then use W5-30 in the GR Yaris to?
I guess so! But that will be up to George to determine.
Toyota recommends for The GR Yaris a 0W20 Oil
@@leonhardbengs yeah, many Japanese manufactures recommend 0w20 oil due to today’s tight engine clearances but mainly gas mileage. For the track, I would run a 5w30 and not run a 0w20 ( unless it’s a w20 oil specially designed for racing).
@@apolloandratti7922 i wouldn't run a 0w20 on track either, its the oil that is recommended and works best in most cases except when you have high oil temps after a few laps, i would rather use a 5w40 Oil in mine for cooler oil temps
@@leonhardbengs agree 👍
changing oils-fluids is most important thing to car run.. got 1.9tdi with 2.3milion km, and run work like new.. probably less HP cos of kilometers, but cos 5-10k km oil change it runs perfect, fires on 1st
Nice! Very well explained,very informative.
Hey Misha Hey George...Thanks for reminding me I need an oil change...
i use liqui moly 5w30 4200 on my subaru for past 100k/km change every 6k/km no issues so far...200k/km on clock
Most important question is, what's the oil in George's og 1,9tdi, and your ring tractor
That deserves a video of its own.
Interesting note, the 5w30 or thiner oils are mostly for emission and fuel saving reasons introduced by the manufactures.
So a slightly thicker oil can be a sensible choice for track applications, as mentioned in the video.
On track it's not about "30" i.e. the 100°C weight, it's about HTHS i.e. the 150°C number referring to performance in the hotspots (around piston rings etc.).
I wasnt in the auto industry long and this was 10 years. They taught us in auto tech that with old school transmissions, it was better to replace the filter and not the fluid when doing a service to help worn clutches grip. Can someone shed some light on that?
Very informative video.
Great video 👍 very helpful
I always use 5W40 Motul or Liqui Moly. On a CL7 Accord which recommends 0W20 in the manual which nobody obeys to because it's water thin at 100°c and it can wear out the exhaust cam on these K series.
You guys should run the Mosselman oil thermostat on the S55s.. it’s only 329€ and makes a big difference on the oil temps. Remember the Christmas party last year?
Used Millers CFS and Fuchs titan oil for years zero failures.
Maybe totally OT but I used Fucks Titan for my R/C engines for over 10 years and while other's engines failed, mine worked. For my VW Golf IV 1.9TDI I used Fuchs and LM, both are fantastic, had 400k km on it when I sold it. Best car I ever had, never let me down.
Great video, thanks!
I run with Amsoil Signature Series ( It' s great ).
Do you guys change the oil filters every time?
Now let the oil discussions begin :D
The 86 manual says 0W20 and 5W30, so the 5W30 is the "thicker" oil for that car. I use 5W30 in my turbo mod'ed subtropical climate (no subzero winters) 86. Funnily enough, I think it says in the manual that if you use 5W30 you should use 0W20 at the next change (not that anyone ever seems to do this). 5W30 seems a lot easier to find also.
0w20 viscosity oil for Finland ( very cold ).
Great video. Maserati quattroporte 4.2 and ferrari 360 use very thick oil and both sometime get problems on cam varistors.. now I know why. But it's an easy fix and their are amazing cars!! 🥰🥰😍
Hey! Maybe you guys can mention/ask George what about the supposed "lifetime fluid" that many manufacturers (e.g., Audi) say that the ZF 8 gearboxes have and should NEVER be changed? Love the content.
Great video am wait for video about dsg
Thank you!
Good Evening Misha & George.
9:20pm NZtime & my phone notifys me of your new Vlog post
The Science & physics of various grades of Oils is very interesting!
I LiKE it !..👍🙂👍
I gotta say I LOVE the color of the iridescent Blue BMW you had parked in the line up. And I much much prefer the front grille design compared to the BiG UGLY lookin SNOUT of the new latest model Beemer!
LOVE Ya Work bro💕
Godbless hava great weekend🙂
I can't wait for differ oil video. I run GT86 exclusively on track: changing engine oil after each 4 track days (Millers 5W30), but found out that differ is getting hot. So ended out changing differ oil every second oil change (Millers 75w140). Also put Cusco radiator on differ to cool it down. I wonder what your experiences are with GT86 maintenance in terms of oils, especially differ?
Best run an oil temp sensor and ensuring temp doesn't get too hot. 120c is a good cutoff. There is no oil cooler
Toyota specs 0W-20 but Im glad you guys are putting 5W-30
Misha you forgot to talk about the silver M4 oil. Is it the same 15W50 like the other M3 and M4?
I wouldn't really use oil on a race track, but if it helps...
Grease up that bodywork, cut down that air resistance! Every little bit helps!
@@uwlwsrpm don't forget to shave all of your tire hairs!
@@07D675 Yea, all them thin pointy rubber bits you find on new tires.
Good video
Good comment
Good comment
Hi i have Civic Ep3 K20A2 and run on 5w50 ... posibly the best oil for NA high rev car :)
During my period with K20A2 I tried Ravenol RCS 5W40 / Sunoco Synturo 5W50 / Rowe RSI 5W40. I felt that the engine is more free revving and agressive with 5W40, but around 8000 RPM it felt smoother (less vibrations) with 5W50. Guys from typer.cz gang would swear by Castrol 10W60 specifically. But that's for tuned K20 & track use. At the same time it is hard to argue with wear analysis on tens of built engines.
Hi guys, I have a question. George seems quite a knowledgeable chap, what is his working background?
I believe he used to be a bikini model. True story
@@happybeerlove Brilliant mate.
He's been a mechanic and a vicious street racer. Sort of Jesse from Fast&Furious, but then British. Also less dumb and more brake calipers on his VW.
@@mgcharoudin 😂😂😂
Hi Misha, I was wondering about the long life oil under normal circumstances. Here in America I’ve never heard of a oil full synthetic or not that can last 15,000-19,000 miles. Usually I see 10,000 which is the limit at which everybody changes their oil at or even before. Is there some special oil over there, or does this have to do with different regulations and what not?