Requires a standard that is the same across manufacturers and robust for various current and future battery chemistries. In all likelihood the EU will end up developing one, the U.K. voluntarily decides to follow.
The dealers who don't, still ought to be able to carry out a battery health check using an OBD plugged into the car's diagnostic socket. It takes all of a few minutes to do....
Battery health is not just one number. Also the BMS can get a bit out of whack about the max/min possible and can lie by a few % unless you do a full cycle. From a dealer I'd expect at least an Aviloo flash test report as a minimum. But I understand that for private sales getting at least some data from the infotainment would be useful.
I worked for a car brand, and we started advertising a battery health percentage on our used cars. But as no one else did, it made our cars look bad, so management decided to stop showing it. Completely agree with your video - a standard test and measurement report should be shown for all used EV’s to reassure people
Vughterpoort cars in the Netherlands do this for all the secondhand BMW i3's they sell. Works fine for them. We bought an i3 there 2 months ago, the Aviloo-test showed a 97 score of a 100 possible score
Absolutely love Nicola! 👏🏻❤️ Yep, about a year and a half ago I had to change my daily driver due to a mechanical flaw. I made the decision to go electric and was looking at used Model S’s. Here’s the thing, many places/people would not sell it due to liability of certain things. Even if you know how to fix things, they still wouldn’t sell it if there was a tiny but wrong with it. I had 3 deals fall thru due to this. In the end I decided to go ever so slightly newer and stretched my budget. Managed to move into a 2021 Model 3. Best decision I made by far! I can do all the maintenance myself and it had the latest hardware at the time to help improve its range. At basically half its original price, I couldn’t be happier. 👍🏻
250,000 miles is a bit over 400,000 kilometres. That's awesome. 10 trips around the earth at equator distance. I would have loved to see what the interior looks like at the point of the video. Maybe the driver's seat would look very different had it been driven all that time by a Nicola or a JayEmm.
Absolutely agree with the point about having the battery state of health stats available to display from within the car's infotainment system software without having to buy an OBD device
The EVM channel recently bought a Tesla Model S with 186K miles, so a similar comparison. His Tesla had 90% battery, but...... He had to spend £4k having the suspension rebuilt and aligned, wiper unit, etc. etc. Conclusion? The battery and motor will be fine, but it's a car at the end of the day and suffers the same wear as an ICE car.
Actually as Nichola points out, the Model S is a heavy beast & in that regard is like a lot of Land Rover & Range Rover models. They too, wear out suspension components quickly. Once you accept that, you can enjoy the ride the air suspension gives you.
Yeah they aren't infallible but £4k to put a 186k miles car right is great value- compare that to any ICE car and the amount of spare parts and maintenance to keep that legacy machine on the road, it would be so much more expensive.
I tend to buy old cars because they're cheaper to run. I have to spend a little each year on them but nothing compared to lease or depreciation on a new car.
@@NoName-md5zbincorrect. My EV is over 160k kms on the odometer and has only lost 8% range. The report is also easily available to run in the service menu with the car hooked up to a power source, in any Tesla sold since about 2016.
This anecdotal example proves the projections for EV lifespans: 200,000 miles/12 years on average. This, in contrast to 155,000 miles/8 years for ICEVs on average. Surprisingly, the 84% SoH of this Model S is even more impressive considering nearly twice the annual mileage and assumed increased Supercharger use.
Great video and very interesting conclusions. Having purchased my first EV in September after viewing most of the Electrifying videos ( which were extremely helpful), I've come to realise that whilst there's a lot of obsession with some EV review sites on range and efficiency, as Nicola's underlined, it's not all about those 2 factors is it? How many people by a high powered petrol car and worry about fuel consumption or range? I bought a Mercedes EQA plus. It's not the most efficient nor has longest range but they're fine and love the car! So second hand quality EVs are fine too. Interestingly, I'm seeing significantly more EVs on the road than 6 months ago.
On the battery health thing - interesting that the Labour Manifesto from earlier in the year said: "Labour will support the transition to electric vehicles by ... supporting buyers of second-hand electric cars by standardising the information supplied on the condition of batteries." So it looks like there is some aspiration to do this, although I'm not sure how that will translate into action.
We need more videos like this to take away the worry of used EV's,battery health certificates need to be compulsory, that Tesla would still.drive superbly and be perfectly usable family transport, something really needs to happen to educate people and improve used EV prices it's so frustrating hearing people say" that's a couple of years old now,that will have no range left " .
ICE miles and electric miles just aren't the same. Used car videos for EVs are still relatively uncommon, especially those "Used car shoot-out!" comparison videos, so it would be great to see more of them.
Newer Teslas have service mode which has a battery health test. It can take up to 12-24 hours and you have to leave the car plugged it. Not sure if the older ones have it.
I’ve had a good experience so far over 4 years. One service after 3 years which was done at my home and one issue with a lock that required a service centre visit. Both arranged in less than a week. Others have reported less favourable experiences.
Important question is how near is your local Tesla service centre. There are only 32 in mainland UK. If you don't live near one, that will be a real pain.
Can I just say how good is Nicola. I am stunned she isn't used more more on mainstream TV progs, shes such a natural presenter. Well done Electrifying. Right, I love tech stuff and in reality, a Tesla would be right up my street...however...there is not a cats chance in hell I want to have anything associated with Musk. I'd rather walk (and I hate walking).
The more good a person does Iin his world, the more hate they get from the corrupt who fear the success of decent human beings... Propaganda is not reality. Trillions of dollars to lose for some of the nastiest corporations on the planet due to the success of Elon and his humanitarian minded corporations...
I hear that a lot, but so far only of non Tesla owners. I drive one and bought it for the tech and performance. Love it. With or without Elon Musk. Same for my friends and family who own Tesla 's. All happy customers.
What about the battery ! What about the range? I'm looking to buy a used electric car but I'm thinking about a Polestar 2 I want something different I don't want a Tesla. Funny open the boot it creaks like an old haunted house door It's a bit good Good interesting video Nicola 🎉
Oh Nichola. I loved this video. A whole new take on cakeism. 😆 I’ve always liked the Model S, I’ve thought there was shades of classic Jaguar in its lines & it was from a time before Tesla became obsessed with having everything on a screen. Would I buy a Model S with big miles? Definitely, but like all high milers, I’d want one that had been looked after. Some of the drive units in that age of Model S failed due to coolant leaks, but I reckon by 250,000 miles those will have failed before now. The EV clinic has a fix anyhow.
6:00 The fact that you can tell the kwhr being used over time (and from full to empty) is the same thing. It's what I use for ground truth in my Bolt every time my better half says "I used an impossible number of miles of range today!" If I can say I used 25kwhr from 90% to 45% in my 17 Bolt, for example, a car with a nominal 55kwhr usable capacity...well, that's great. It's got 180kmi on the clock!
Kinda disagree with being able to easily check the battery health... It's not something that should be worried about on a daily basis. Deg is minimal, and I'd imagine it could lead to unnecessarily replaced vehicles that are perfectly fine. Agreed it's a good thing to have checked when buying second hand. Thanks for the video ❤
Vin number will tell what warranty work and services have been carried out ...and I'm betting the battery has been changed at least once , probably a drive motor too 🤔 along with bearings, fluids and filters ... anyone want to argue they don't have a filter / filters ?
Tesla. Has shown that range anxiety is not a problem with their superb SC network , and their battery packs go the distance, one London Taxi got 400000 miles on the clock.amazing! Go Tesla!😂
Heres good advice..if you want a car guaranteed to do high mileage..just look at what the taxi drivers use .. in the case of EVs : Tesla Model S and Skoda Enyaq ,also some others out there too.(Seen some BYD about) Look at what they drive,they need reliable and cost effective cars ..beat long term tests are Taxis Same applies to ICE.. Merc E class e220-250 diesel Skoda Superb Toyota Prius C Toyota Corolla hybrid Are amongst a few
Being able to see SOH on a screen may be interpreted differently by manufacturers as some have a buffer built in to eat into some not, best a😮nd fairest are standard reports required when a car is prepared for sale to an agreed standard. As for mileage as long as the price is right maintenance kept up and the engineering is sound high mileage is ok though I don't fancy a Zoe at that mileage.
Clearly the arresting thing was the carefully crafted homemade chocolate cake. That said this was a useful proof that batteries are not the problem with used EVs; suspension and tyres are. I also wonder how well the software and chips in the dashboard iPad date, which now also applies to recent ICEs. That said at £11k you can not complain too much for this much car.
I agree as well, like Samsung and other companies do this to but I have an Samsung so I'm sticking with them, they also will show battery health and what's taking the most energy. If EVs does that that'll help an average drive who got an EV because they wanted something different.
I'm more likely to buy an ev made today in 10 years time than buy one today that was made 10 years ago because they're much better today than they were 10 years ago.
@@thedreamfactory6964 You're missing my point. I would buy a second hand ev that was made today because they're good today but those that were made 10 years ago only had a very limited range when they were made, things have come on a lot since then, which makes buying second hand a lot more sense.
End-of-life battery-swapping is the only kind that makes sense - and then some - for consumer vehicles which is why carmakers and 'journalists' very rarely talk about. They obviously want you to buy a whole new car/EV - not simply swap in a new latest-gen battery-pack... (Paul G)
The battery and motor have long warranty and are pretty solid, its suspension and other parts availability/repair that would be an issue for me on used. Once there is supply chain for aftermarket parts and the average garage is happy to work on them, will be much better. I used to take my BMW to a local specialist, ex bmw techs, so knew their stuff and had the right equipment, knew all the common issues. Will take time for these sorts of places to adapt to EV.
A lot to pack in, reading between the lines. I agree battery health reports or access to odb data of every second hand EV on sale will be more relevant foing forward, to make a fair assessment of an EV, rather than the surface looks of the EV. I currently read little about second hand vehicles and the battery health in occassion reports. Some even claim 100% battery health, for an ev occassion, which in my view should be a red flag.
Only iPhones have a built-in battery health indicator in the Settings app, while Android phones typically provide a general status such as 'Good' instead of a specific percentage."
Is there an ICE engine health indicator mandate? Why not? There are third party apps that do this. Have to literally take apart the entire engine block in an ICEr to see carbon buildup, spark plug health, etcetera.
Every Tesla has a way to check battery health built into the software already. Battery drain and full charge - tells the SOH of the pack. Just one more reason why Teslas are better.
@@IanThompson-p2r sure, but we still hear about WLTP in ads or catalogs. I'm used to remove 25% for real life values but still, WLTP is not representative of anything in the real world 😉
On original battery? Or had any motor work done in the past? There's no proof this actually genuine milage on those components. The thing could be like Triggers broom😂
When it comes to a £10,000 BEV.... I would prefer something more modern, like a 4 year old Citroen E-C4. The range is respectable and the insurance is far far cheaper than Tesla.
Tesla always tried to look after the packs even way back and to think this is old chemistry so god knows what the new Cars will do. The motors will outlast the car so it should still have poke.
There is certainly going to be a community of EV Bangernomics owner running cars for peanuts in the future. If you have the ability to home charge you can live with a lot of battery degradation if you are only doing 10-20 miles a day to work and back.
Here's the thing, you are carrying the weight of a 90kWh battery just to get 200mi range if you're dumb enough to charge to 100% all the time. Also, how many things have been replaced on the car to get it to go that far, and at what cost?
@haukikannel ICE cars that cost as much as the model S that are quite affordable (Toyota/ Lexus/Honda). Maintenance costs are generally the difference but early EVs, especially Tesla, had many issues, most quite expensive to dump on a used car buyer with a lot less resources than the original owner. Used EVs, especially big heavy ones approach the energy efficiency of a standard hybrid when traveling across country. Right now in many places where charging isn't optimal a plug-in hybrid is actually cheaper and more efficient (time and $). If you get a deal on an EV that can do your daily travel on home charging alone nothing can beat that though and that is probably what is meant by this video.
It's leather on these older cars. I'm sure it can be cleaned and reconditioned like any other leather steering wheel. The only thing making it shiny is oil from human hands…
Wonder if they could replace and install a brand new steering wheel? At least to pay for one, since buyers could choose between a yoke or round steering wheel at no extra charge for their brand new X etc
I've always bought high mileage vehicles, apart from my current vehicle which I bought as an ex demonstration model with just under 2000 miles on the clock. Interestingly enough, I think it was Auto Trader who had a Model S with 475,000 miles on the clock and Electric Vehicle Man has just bought a Model S with 187,000 miles on the clock so they are built to last. If I could afford a new vehicle, I would seriously consider the Model S, it's got loads of space for loads, good passenger space and they are a nice looking vehicle, the only thing that I would be totally out of my depth with is the screen, I'm an old fart, first used a computer in May of this year, I'm struggling with computers, TH-cam is the only thing I use on my computer, everything else is way too complicated, I don't even use a technical phone, I still use my old Nokia, I only want a phone to make phone calls and that's all it does. I don't have access to home charging and the infrastructure is dire unless I travel 20+ miles to the city to charge so if I went electric, it would be a Tesla and this car is so versatile, it would be my only choice when it comes to a Tesla. I know that I can't afford an electric vehicle, I'm old, don't understand technology, pay for my fuel and everything else with cash so I don't have an electric vehicle, but I love the reviews you do on this channel, some of the things you mention I haven't got a clue what you're talking about, but your group discussions and reviews are first class so I subscribed, not to be critical but to see what's new, what it's like, good points, bad points and maybe ask the odd question which most will think I'm taking the you know what, but as an old fart, some of what you mention, us oldies genuinely haven't got a clue
It would be nice to have easier access to battery health, but it has to be said, it is much easier to recognise a 'wrong un' in the EV world than a dodgy ICE car. You can't employ underhand trickery to hide a battery that has been abused like you could temporarily hide the fact that an ICE engine has seen better days just long enough to sell it (yes, it's happened to me!). I think EVs age better than ICE cars too. My 100000 mile Kia Soul EV feels pretty good still and the battery is showing no detectable signs of degradation. (It must have some, but you would have to use an ODB to find out). My theory as to why they age better? It could be down to lack of vibration? Smoother acceleration without the jolts that come with a gear change? Or maybe it's just that up until now, EV owners have been of the more sensible and mechanically sympathetic type. Perhaps a 100000 mile Hyundai Ioniq 5 N would not be so appealing? The takeaway point though is that you shouldn't fear a used EV, they will have more life left in them than an equivalent ICE car.Oh, and some dealers, particularly EV specialists will give you the battery health.
Tesla Model S - the most significant car of the 21st century, just as the Ford Model T was of the 20th century. The safest, best looking, largest cargo capacity, rust free, serviceable, highway electric cruiser out there. Not a car. A dreamliner. "🇺🇸Why is Tesla the king of the road? Because it is the only vehicle that enters our garage doors with an average of over 300,000 km and the only vehicle on which we have documented that the ORIGINAL batteries from the first installation exceed 600,000 km. All other vehicles struggle significantly to achieve even half of that" - EV Clinic Zagreb No other car gets better overtime with the OTA (over the air) updates up to four times per month, 10-11 years after leaving the factory. No one! As well with the newer generation MCU (media control unit) upgrade that makes it far superior than all other EVs on the market today, with the proprietary Tesla OS with unmatched integration, response time and reliability. The SDU (small drive unit, non performance) Model S are bulletproof. The LDU (large drive unit, RWD or Performance) ones as well, when you replace the teflon (PTFE) rotor shaft seal with a graphite one. No cell issues, apart from those, caused by water ingress in the battery pack. A battery case resealing after the first 10 years provides another decade of careless driving.
What a rediculous hill to die on regarding the need to show battery health. Firstly, that's a Tesla, you can generate a free battery health report on its service menu. Very easy for anyone to do that without any technical knowledge. Also... Why is this suddenly a requirement for EVs, when people have been buying ICE vehicles on faith since their start? You could buy a used one and the engine go kaput after 5 months and you don't even have warrantee at that point. Most EVs have minimum 100k mile battery AND drive warrantees. Some even more than that. There is very low risk unless you buy a exceptionally old EV which hasn't had a battery service or swap. I think I know your chances if you buy a 200k mile ICE car without a major service having been recently done...
That cleverly chap seems nice but his sweeping statement about cost of ownership being much less is totally wrong (aka misinformation). Yes it CAN be lower but it also can be MUCH HIGHER, even for the same vehicle. The variables are electric cost, insurance cost, maintenance cost.
My costs for running an Audi Q4 is 12 times cheaper than my previous petrol Audi A5 Cabriolet. 12 times cheaper, if that’s not something to think about I’m not sure what is. I would never have considered an EV if I couldn’t charge from home.
6:08 100% agree with the little rant.
even something like the 1st gen leaf would do
Service mode on any tesla shows battery health.
Karen Mode Full send!
Agree with a display for battery health. It should be mandatory for EV sellers to display battery health in their adverts.
There is talk of a certification scheme, which would provide a report of battery health.
Requires a standard that is the same across manufacturers and robust for various current and future battery chemistries. In all likelihood the EU will end up developing one, the U.K. voluntarily decides to follow.
The dealers who don't, still ought to be able to carry out a battery health check using an OBD plugged into the car's diagnostic socket. It takes all of a few minutes to do....
Battery health is not just one number. Also the BMS can get a bit out of whack about the max/min possible and can lie by a few % unless you do a full cycle. From a dealer I'd expect at least an Aviloo flash test report as a minimum.
But I understand that for private sales getting at least some data from the infotainment would be useful.
Battery health might put some people off,
manufacturers won't do ANYTHING to stop selling evs.
I worked for a car brand, and we started advertising a battery health percentage on our used cars. But as no one else did, it made our cars look bad, so management decided to stop showing it.
Completely agree with your video - a standard test and measurement report should be shown for all used EV’s to reassure people
Absolutely correct !
Vughterpoort cars in the Netherlands do this for all the secondhand BMW i3's they sell. Works fine for them. We bought an i3 there 2 months ago, the Aviloo-test showed a 97 score of a 100 possible score
Absolutely love Nicola! 👏🏻❤️
Yep, about a year and a half ago I had to change my daily driver due to a mechanical flaw. I made the decision to go electric and was looking at used Model S’s. Here’s the thing, many places/people would not sell it due to liability of certain things. Even if you know how to fix things, they still wouldn’t sell it if there was a tiny but wrong with it. I had 3 deals fall thru due to this.
In the end I decided to go ever so slightly newer and stretched my budget. Managed to move into a 2021 Model 3. Best decision I made by far!
I can do all the maintenance myself and it had the latest hardware at the time to help improve its range. At basically half its original price, I couldn’t be happier. 👍🏻
250,000 miles is a bit over 400,000 kilometres. That's awesome. 10 trips around the earth at equator distance.
I would have loved to see what the interior looks like at the point of the video.
Maybe the driver's seat would look very different had it been driven all that time by a Nicola or a JayEmm.
Great to see Cleevley EV on the channel - James videos have been great for increasing EV knowledge and understanding of best maintenance practice
Tickled by the Castrol service insignia.
@@pcr8918 Just for info; Cleevely also repair and service ICE vehicles
@@pcr8918Yes. That was interesting.
James’s personal experience with an MG5 (not exactly the darling of the EV world) is interesting.
Absolutely agree with the point about having the battery state of health stats available to display from within the car's infotainment system software without having to buy an OBD device
Most dealers who intend to sell used EV's ought to have an OBD....
You can run these in the cars service menu easily and for free.
This presenter did not mention this and that is bad journalism.
Literally having your cake and eatin' it! 😂😂 Marvellous. Happy Birthday and Happy Xmas everyone!!
The EVM channel recently bought a Tesla Model S with 186K miles, so a similar comparison. His Tesla had 90% battery, but......
He had to spend £4k having the suspension rebuilt and aligned, wiper unit, etc. etc.
Conclusion? The battery and motor will be fine, but it's a car at the end of the day and suffers the same wear as an ICE car.
Actually as Nichola points out, the Model S is a heavy beast & in that regard is like a lot of Land Rover & Range Rover models. They too, wear out suspension components quickly. Once you accept that, you can enjoy the ride the air suspension gives you.
Yeah they aren't infallible but £4k to put a 186k miles car right is great value- compare that to any ICE car and the amount of spare parts and maintenance to keep that legacy machine on the road, it would be so much more expensive.
@@TheVedabuss "Legacy machine" biased much?
@@TheVedabuss Did Nicola say what the service/maintenance history was?
@@geoffhaylock6848 I am biased yes, well spotted :-)
Never change, Nicola! ❤
I tend to buy old cars because they're cheaper to run. I have to spend a little each year on them but nothing compared to lease or depreciation on a new car.
You're the best, Nicola!
Great review.
Agree with your rant on 6min mark!
Battery Health should absolutely be built into the car or companion app, great vid 👏
Cells are poor in evs, people wouldnt buy evs as they loose 10% after 40-60000 km. Not telling this info is marketing advantage.
@@NoName-md5zbincorrect. My EV is over 160k kms on the odometer and has only lost 8% range.
The report is also easily available to run in the service menu with the car hooked up to a power source, in any Tesla sold since about 2016.
LOL. And she said 3 times that she made the cake 😂😂😂😂 Love these videos.
Nicola is just the best
Ahhhhh. I think I really enjoyed this review more than I thought I would. Love the rant.
The thing is in 10 years time we will probably be all buying used EVs as well as new ones.Unless some other power train replaces EVs.
Yes yes yes old Tesla good. The cake bit tho! 🤣🤣🤣 I wasn’t expecting that!!! Nicola you’re just so brilliant! Bloody hilarious!
Battery reports should be mandatory for used EV sales.
Great video 😊
This anecdotal example proves the projections for EV lifespans: 200,000 miles/12 years on average. This, in contrast to 155,000 miles/8 years for ICEVs on average.
Surprisingly, the 84% SoH of this Model S is even more impressive considering nearly twice the annual mileage and assumed increased Supercharger use.
I came close you buying a friend's with similar miles, the free Supercharging was very tempting.
Great video and very interesting conclusions.
Having purchased my first EV in September after viewing most of the Electrifying videos ( which were extremely helpful), I've come to realise that whilst there's a lot of obsession with some EV review sites on range and efficiency, as Nicola's underlined, it's not all about those 2 factors is it?
How many people by a high powered petrol car and worry about fuel consumption or range?
I bought a Mercedes EQA plus. It's not the most efficient nor has longest range but they're fine and love the car!
So second hand quality EVs are fine too.
Interestingly, I'm seeing significantly more EVs on the road than 6 months ago.
On the battery health thing - interesting that the Labour Manifesto from earlier in the year said:
"Labour will support the transition to electric vehicles by ... supporting buyers of second-hand electric cars by standardising the information supplied on the condition of batteries."
So it looks like there is some aspiration to do this, although I'm not sure how that will translate into action.
HAPPY NOW!? Hilarious cake scene. Thanks!
We need more videos like this to take away the worry of used EV's,battery health certificates need to be compulsory, that Tesla would still.drive superbly and be perfectly usable family transport, something really needs to happen to educate people and improve used EV prices it's so frustrating hearing people say" that's a couple of years old now,that will have no range left " .
ICE miles and electric miles just aren't the same.
Used car videos for EVs are still relatively uncommon, especially those "Used car shoot-out!" comparison videos, so it would be great to see more of them.
You make 16% loss of range sound like a good thing. Given it's poor range from new, that's shocking.
Always good to see Nicola’s cake hole !!
I love my 2022 Kona ultimate it’s an amazing car all round.
Nice video and well put together. Just asking out of curiosity, how much does the car cost when new and now (10 years after)? Thanks.
I'll answer the second part. after 10 years most cars are worth absolutely nothing.
A sensible reply 85D 2015 £55000 , that one Nicola said under £11000
Newer Teslas have service mode which has a battery health test. It can take up to 12-24 hours and you have to leave the car plugged it. Not sure if the older ones have it.
I was on Cleevely’s website, why do they only offer a 3 month warranty?
What is the quality of service and parts supply for Tesla please?
I’ve had a good experience so far over 4 years. One service after 3 years which was done at my home and one issue with a lock that required a service centre visit. Both arranged in less than a week. Others have reported less favourable experiences.
Best in industry in most studies...
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 worst in the industry in most studies...
@@BBingo-v5iMost German studies? 😅
Important question is how near is your local Tesla service centre. There are only 32 in mainland UK. If you don't live near one, that will be a real pain.
love it.. More like this
Nicolaaaa! ❤❤❤
Great rant nic and so right 👍🏼
Can I just say how good is Nicola. I am stunned she isn't used more more on mainstream TV progs, shes such a natural presenter. Well done Electrifying.
Right, I love tech stuff and in reality, a Tesla would be right up my street...however...there is not a cats chance in hell I want to have anything associated with Musk. I'd rather walk (and I hate walking).
The word 'Tesla' is rapidly becoming a negative downer.
Thanks Elon.
@@AlanTov only to Leftists who hate freedom.
The more good a person does Iin his world, the more hate they get from the corrupt who fear the success of decent human beings... Propaganda is not reality. Trillions of dollars to lose for some of the nastiest corporations on the planet due to the success of Elon and his humanitarian minded corporations...
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 you must be a delusional fanboy
@@Mountainbaseddwelleryou are totally clueless
I hear that a lot, but so far only of non Tesla owners. I drive one and bought it for the tech and performance. Love it. With or without Elon Musk. Same for my friends and family who own Tesla 's. All happy customers.
What about the battery ! What about the range?
I'm looking to buy a used electric car but I'm thinking about a Polestar 2
I want something different I don't want a Tesla.
Funny open the boot it creaks like an old haunted house door
It's a bit good
Good interesting video Nicola
🎉
The cake eating is so Nicola 😂😂
Was Miss Trenchpole in the background making sure eat the whole confection 🤣🤣🤣
Oh Nichola. I loved this video. A whole new take on cakeism. 😆
I’ve always liked the Model S, I’ve thought there was shades of classic Jaguar in its lines & it was from a time before Tesla became obsessed with having everything on a screen.
Would I buy a Model S with big miles? Definitely, but like all high milers, I’d want one that had been looked after.
Some of the drive units in that age of Model S failed due to coolant leaks, but I reckon by 250,000 miles those will have failed before now.
The EV clinic has a fix anyhow.
6:00 The fact that you can tell the kwhr being used over time (and from full to empty) is the same thing. It's what I use for ground truth in my Bolt every time my better half says "I used an impossible number of miles of range today!"
If I can say I used 25kwhr from 90% to 45% in my 17 Bolt, for example, a car with a nominal 55kwhr usable capacity...well, that's great. It's got 180kmi on the clock!
And there go all the bargain high mileage evs I was able to afford. Cheers electrifying !!!
Yeah… It would be really easy to have battery quality check build in in every EV, just like we have info how much charge you have left!
Totally agree with the rant. Enjoy the cake!
How’re you getting on with STG? 😂
Kinda disagree with being able to easily check the battery health... It's not something that should be worried about on a daily basis. Deg is minimal, and I'd imagine it could lead to unnecessarily replaced vehicles that are perfectly fine. Agreed it's a good thing to have checked when buying second hand. Thanks for the video ❤
You don´t need to change battely even when it is 70%!
So I don´t see any problem of seing it all the time…
Vin number will tell what warranty work and services have been carried out ...and I'm betting the battery has been changed at least once , probably a drive motor too 🤔 along with bearings, fluids and filters ... anyone want to argue they don't have a filter / filters ?
Tesla. Has shown that range anxiety is not a problem with their superb SC network , and their battery packs go the distance, one London Taxi got 400000 miles on the clock.amazing! Go Tesla!😂
Nissan do show battery health, have done since the Leaf came out. My Ariya has it too, although not as a percentage.
Excellent, thank God you didn't try this in a Range Rover you would have been calling the Emergency Services 😂.
Heres good advice..if you want a car guaranteed to do high mileage..just look at what the taxi drivers use .. in the case of EVs : Tesla Model S and Skoda Enyaq ,also some others out there too.(Seen some BYD about) Look at what they drive,they need reliable and cost effective cars ..beat long term tests are Taxis
Same applies to ICE..
Merc E class e220-250 diesel
Skoda Superb
Toyota Prius C
Toyota Corolla hybrid
Are amongst a few
Being able to see SOH on a screen may be interpreted differently by manufacturers as some have a buffer built in to eat into some not, best a😮nd fairest are standard reports required when a car is prepared for sale to an agreed standard.
As for mileage as long as the price is right maintenance kept up and the engineering is sound high mileage is ok though I don't fancy a Zoe at that mileage.
The Zoe is made by Renault. Nothing they make is good at that mileage.
Clearly the arresting thing was the carefully crafted homemade chocolate cake. That said this was a useful proof that batteries are not the problem with used EVs; suspension and tyres are. I also wonder how well the software and chips in the dashboard iPad date, which now also applies to recent ICEs. That said at £11k you can not complain too much for this much car.
10:51 🎂 the Martian way - epic!
"Nicola Cake mode" expected somewhere in the menus soon
Excellent cake eating tutorial :)
The torque doesn't change enough to tell until it maybe has about 30% of it's original battery juice... and even than it's gonna snatch ya back...
I live about 350 klm north of Brisbane so when it’s time to replace my VW tcross a second hand EV will suit me
Tried to contact Cleveley, still awaiting/hoping to communicate...will update when there's news
Tesla are the most problem with most things to go wrong with door handles wiper harn cuts into the bonnet
I agree as well, like Samsung and other companies do this to but I have an Samsung so I'm sticking with them, they also will show battery health and what's taking the most energy. If EVs does that that'll help an average drive who got an EV because they wanted something different.
I'm more likely to buy an ev made today in 10 years time than buy one today that was made 10 years ago because they're much better today than they were 10 years ago.
That will be the case in 10yrs time as well😂
Weird, because that's the case for everything: ice-cars, pc's, phones, televisions.... You name it.
@@thedreamfactory6964 You're missing my point. I would buy a second hand ev that was made today because they're good today but those that were made 10 years ago only had a very limited range when they were made, things have come on a lot since then, which makes buying second hand a lot more sense.
BD65 PZY MOT expired November 11th 2024, last MOT mileage at 27th October 2023 230,663
My Model S only has 150,000 miles, original brake pads and discs
End-of-life battery-swapping is the only kind that makes sense - and then some - for consumer vehicles which is why carmakers and 'journalists' very rarely talk about. They obviously want you to buy a whole new car/EV - not simply swap in a new latest-gen battery-pack...
(Paul G)
The battery and motor have long warranty and are pretty solid, its suspension and other parts availability/repair that would be an issue for me on used. Once there is supply chain for aftermarket parts and the average garage is happy to work on them, will be much better. I used to take my BMW to a local specialist, ex bmw techs, so knew their stuff and had the right equipment, knew all the common issues. Will take time for these sorts of places to adapt to EV.
70% of Cleevely EV’s maintenance is on Teslas. There’s precious little they don’t know about them.
That's one company though. We need more of them.
About time the leading TH-cam channels start spreading the truth... High mileage Tesla's are simply NOT a problem.
1:30 ohcrap, now i want some cake
not related to evs but i think you need to be careful about hpbd to elon part, you don't know when he's gonna scrambling the country 🤔
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A lot to pack in, reading between the lines. I agree battery health reports or access to odb data of every second hand EV on sale will be more relevant foing forward, to make a fair assessment of an EV, rather than the surface looks of the EV. I currently read little about second hand vehicles and the battery health in occassion reports. Some even claim 100% battery health, for an ev occassion, which in my view should be a red flag.
Really want to get a tesla, its just the insurance. Group 50 cars just crazy prices too insure 😢
Only iPhones have a built-in battery health indicator in the Settings app, while Android phones typically provide a general status such as 'Good' instead of a specific percentage."
Is there an ICE engine health indicator mandate? Why not? There are third party apps that do this. Have to literally take apart the entire engine block in an ICEr to see carbon buildup, spark plug health, etcetera.
It’s in the service menu
Short answer yes.
Every Tesla has a way to check battery health built into the software already. Battery drain and full charge - tells the SOH of the pack. Just one more reason why Teslas are better.
At worst I think you would need two motor bearings and maybe a steering rack at very high mileage
Not sure but not all Tesla have an OBD2 port..they went a bit Apple in that respect and have their own type.
Yes for the mandatory SOH but also yes for another mesuring protocol than the WLTP ! Why do we use a value that is almost impossible to achieve ?
EPA range is closer to reality
@@IanThompson-p2r sure, but we still hear about WLTP in ads or catalogs. I'm used to remove 25% for real life values but still, WLTP is not representative of anything in the real world 😉
On original battery? Or had any motor work done in the past? There's no proof this actually genuine milage on those components. The thing could be like Triggers broom😂
When it comes to a £10,000 BEV.... I would prefer something more modern, like a 4 year old Citroen E-C4. The range is respectable and the insurance is far far cheaper than Tesla.
Love Nichola!🤣
Tesla always tried to look after the packs even way back and to think this is old chemistry so god knows what the new Cars will do. The motors will outlast the car so it should still have poke.
No dealer back up locally so no Tesla for me.
Nicci's lovely
There is certainly going to be a community of EV Bangernomics owner running cars for peanuts in the future. If you have the ability to home charge you can live with a lot of battery degradation if you are only doing 10-20 miles a day to work and back.
Here's the thing, you are carrying the weight of a 90kWh battery just to get 200mi range if you're dumb enough to charge to 100% all the time. Also, how many things have been replaced on the car to get it to go that far, and at what cost?
How much does it cost to repair ICE car that has 250000 km behind…
It is the same thing!
@haukikannel ICE cars that cost as much as the model S that are quite affordable (Toyota/ Lexus/Honda). Maintenance costs are generally the difference but early EVs, especially Tesla, had many issues, most quite expensive to dump on a used car buyer with a lot less resources than the original owner. Used EVs, especially big heavy ones approach the energy efficiency of a standard hybrid when traveling across country. Right now in many places where charging isn't optimal a plug-in hybrid is actually cheaper and more efficient (time and $). If you get a deal on an EV that can do your daily travel on home charging alone nothing can beat that though and that is probably what is meant by this video.
Just wait n buy a new Chinese ev car like xiaomi su7 or yu7 when they come to the UK market
I couldn't live with a worn shiny steering wheel.
It's leather on these older cars. I'm sure it can be cleaned and reconditioned like any other leather steering wheel. The only thing making it shiny is oil from human hands…
Wonder if they could replace and install a brand new steering wheel? At least to pay for one, since buyers could choose between a yoke or round steering wheel at no extra charge for their brand new X etc
A used Model S with free supercharger is indeed very attractive imo wouldn't mind pay for a brand new steering wheel 😊
You couldn't live with that? Then spend thousands more for a newer car. That's a costly outlook.
It's like a badge of honour.
Buying a used electric car can be a good idea?? model s is rated up to 400 miles of range but your saying you're only getting 150 miles per charge??
I've always bought high mileage vehicles, apart from my current vehicle which I bought as an ex demonstration model with just under 2000 miles on the clock.
Interestingly enough, I think it was Auto Trader who had a Model S with 475,000 miles on the clock and Electric Vehicle Man has just bought a Model S with 187,000 miles on the clock so they are built to last. If I could afford a new vehicle, I would seriously consider the Model S, it's got loads of space for loads, good passenger space and they are a nice looking vehicle, the only thing that I would be totally out of my depth with is the screen, I'm an old fart, first used a computer in May of this year, I'm struggling with computers, TH-cam is the only thing I use on my computer, everything else is way too complicated, I don't even use a technical phone, I still use my old Nokia, I only want a phone to make phone calls and that's all it does. I don't have access to home charging and the infrastructure is dire unless I travel 20+ miles to the city to charge so if I went electric, it would be a Tesla and this car is so versatile, it would be my only choice when it comes to a Tesla.
I know that I can't afford an electric vehicle, I'm old, don't understand technology, pay for my fuel and everything else with cash so I don't have an electric vehicle, but I love the reviews you do on this channel, some of the things you mention I haven't got a clue what you're talking about, but your group discussions and reviews are first class so I subscribed, not to be critical but to see what's new, what it's like, good points, bad points and maybe ask the odd question which most will think I'm taking the you know what, but as an old fart, some of what you mention, us oldies genuinely haven't got a clue
It would be nice to have easier access to battery health, but it has to be said, it is much easier to recognise a 'wrong un' in the EV world than a dodgy ICE car. You can't employ underhand trickery to hide a battery that has been abused like you could temporarily hide the fact that an ICE engine has seen better days just long enough to sell it (yes, it's happened to me!). I think EVs age better than ICE cars too. My 100000 mile Kia Soul EV feels pretty good still and the battery is showing no detectable signs of degradation. (It must have some, but you would have to use an ODB to find out). My theory as to why they age better? It could be down to lack of vibration? Smoother acceleration without the jolts that come with a gear change? Or maybe it's just that up until now, EV owners have been of the more sensible and mechanically sympathetic type. Perhaps a 100000 mile Hyundai Ioniq 5 N would not be so appealing? The takeaway point though is that you shouldn't fear a used EV, they will have more life left in them than an equivalent ICE car.Oh, and some dealers, particularly EV specialists will give you the battery health.
How far will it go before a radom passer by asks why you support Elon?
EVM channel has just bought a high mileage Model S and Tesla charged £3k for a check up !!
Oh, rubbish! The 3k included a lot of work on the suspension and other things.
@@crm114. Watch the video. Tesla charged because they can . Suspension can be done anywhere for less than half that price .
@@williamfence566I did watch the video and Tesla did not charge 3k JUST for a check-up as you implied. Try reading your own post.
Hioe yu enjoyed the cake...and re the rant yes we need to know the battery health easily and educate people of what it means.
Tesla Model S - the most significant car of the 21st century, just as the Ford Model T was of the 20th century.
The safest, best looking, largest cargo capacity, rust free, serviceable, highway electric cruiser out there. Not a car. A dreamliner.
"🇺🇸Why is Tesla the king of the road? Because it is the only vehicle that enters our garage doors with an average of over 300,000 km and the only vehicle on which we have documented that the ORIGINAL batteries from the first installation exceed 600,000 km. All other vehicles struggle significantly to achieve even half of that" - EV Clinic Zagreb
No other car gets better overtime with the OTA (over the air) updates up to four times per month, 10-11 years after leaving the factory. No one! As well with the newer generation MCU (media control unit) upgrade that makes it far superior than all other EVs on the market today, with the proprietary Tesla OS with unmatched integration, response time and reliability.
The SDU (small drive unit, non performance) Model S are bulletproof. The LDU (large drive unit, RWD or Performance) ones as well, when you replace the teflon (PTFE) rotor shaft seal with a graphite one.
No cell issues, apart from those, caused by water ingress in the battery pack. A battery case resealing after the first 10 years provides another decade of careless driving.
Interesting. 🙏
Answer... definitely not
What a rediculous hill to die on regarding the need to show battery health.
Firstly, that's a Tesla, you can generate a free battery health report on its service menu. Very easy for anyone to do that without any technical knowledge.
Also... Why is this suddenly a requirement for EVs, when people have been buying ICE vehicles on faith since their start? You could buy a used one and the engine go kaput after 5 months and you don't even have warrantee at that point. Most EVs have minimum 100k mile battery AND drive warrantees. Some even more than that.
There is very low risk unless you buy a exceptionally old EV which hasn't had a battery service or swap. I think I know your chances if you buy a 200k mile ICE car without a major service having been recently done...
That cleverly chap seems nice but his sweeping statement about cost of ownership being much less is totally wrong (aka misinformation).
Yes it CAN be lower but it also can be MUCH HIGHER, even for the same vehicle.
The variables are electric cost, insurance cost, maintenance cost.
My costs for running an Audi Q4 is 12 times cheaper than my previous petrol Audi A5 Cabriolet. 12 times cheaper, if that’s not something to think about I’m not sure what is. I would never have considered an EV if I couldn’t charge from home.
@@stevecarr3019 Agree. Home charging essential.