The World's Best Main Battle Tank? The Leopard 2 | Forged for Battle
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In the previous episode we discussed the development of America's current main battle tank, the M1 Abrams. Though many tout that tank as the best in the world its European counterparts often offer stiff competition. One particular rival has been vying to knock the American contender out of the scene even before the US accepted the Abrams for service. That tank is the German manufactured Leopard 2. In this video we will cross the Atlantic in order to learn the story behind this feline and discover why to many it is considered to be the best modern tank in the world.
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NO, not a highly evolved MBT, he's comming for my Computer!
You can't trust the M B T, always have your ICBM ready!
Just in case.
@@Juno101 Don’t worry, your PC should be safe if you use the Kontakt-5 armor recommended by Bosnian Ape Society.
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Everyone knows that the Bob Semple is the best tank, because with its rate of fire, it can deliver the first shot in any engagement, only ever failing to deliver the last.
Dont know what the rate of fire has anything to do whit the first shot but this was a meme comment so yeah
You can deliver any shot you want...but will the shot go through, now that's your issue :P
@@BIOSHOCKFOXX Hopefully, enemy tank crews will just piss themselves in fear after beholding the beast that is the Bob Semple tank.
@@finnishboo4192 it does when it has high caliber Bren guns, capable of piercing the thickest tank armours, like the IS-3 or Jadgtiger. The fast fire rate with an armour penetration of 689mm or armour, combined with the sturdiest construction and incredibly reliable engine and transmission systems, it's a damn blessing they were never put into production, even with a single squadron of semples an entire country could be invaded in days. Today, a Semple would have no difficulty taking out an Abrams, Challenger III, T-90 or Leopard 2.
@@finnishboo4192 ah boo, it's a you.
Leopard 2 : I am the best !
T-14 Armata : No I am !
Bob semple : amateurs
Ever wondered where did the tank go?? They had to destroy it as it was changing the time and space around it.
@@simpleknight1922 In New Zealand we have tons of them in museums, you can find some in wanaka. (Bob Semple)
Arjun bouta roll up on the Bob Semple and destroy it with supreme [INDIA WORLD SUPERPOWER 2020] power
@@C4Cole05 no indias tanks will run in fear from the bob semple
@@mouhibgh6928 all tanks will
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(Even if it still hasn’t premiered yet)
1 month comment with no replies? That’s weird
@@TGentong 😀
These are history lessons on steroids
yes
69th like nice
these are history lessons we actaully want
Learning but fun
yes
I was in my military time in Austria a Leopard 2a4 mechanic. Wonderful machine
Sehr schön 🤩
No betrter than any other tank of its generation
Agreed, former gunner on A4 and later A5.
@@ROBERTN-ut2il it was better, but it still had its problems
@@OneofInfinity.My dad was a former driver on the leopard he said it was very obedient to the driver and thank you for you service:D
The name of the video: "The World's best main battle tank, the Leopard 2"
(insert angry american patriot typing furiously here)
Well The leopard 2 doesn't deserve the title no tank does because tanks are built for the doctrine of their armies and what about tanks like the K2 Black panther or the type 10 nekomada you'd have to dismiss both those as inferior to The leopard 2
@@spartanx9293 yep. I think that way too.
@Tendors World but that's not what he said he said it was the best not one of the best of course the leopard 2 gets put in the one of the best list but it shares that spot with modern versions of the Abrams the Japanese type 10 the K2 Black panther the t14 Armata and possibly that new rh130 challenger
The leo is so good the swiss army uses it.
@@davidty2006 why the Swiss?
I got World of tanks ads over your Armor warfare sponsored video. lmao
love your vid since the find of panzer.
ah yes, while they are at war. War Thunder sitting back relaxing.
Man, i can't even get a match at AW
@@Kevin-fj5oe Heay PvP is pretty much dead. Everybody plays PvE.
Is it me or are German Tanks in WOT are nerfed like Over Nerfed
@@deeperthantheabyss624 It's just you probably. Although they're not the best, they're still ok.
*Next Episode:*
The Universe's Best Battle Tank, the Bob Semple Tank | Forged for Battle
Imho it's the Panthers that disguised as M10s in the bulge is the best
@@thesmuggest6680 no
@@thesmuggest6680 the gods look down upon anyone that doesnt pray to the bob semple
Ha! Arjun wants a talk with you
fanboys: bUt (insert MBT of choice) iS tHe BeSt TaNk In ThE wOrLd
You mean the wehraboos doing exact thing with Leo 2?
perhaps 🐄
Incorrect the best mbt doesn't exist
@@kusajko3644 doesnt even have anything to do with wehraboos
@@meddlus2098 in some part it does. In some other parts it has to do with people who think that no matter what Germans touch they do that better than others. It's not true and it's a stupid stereotype.
Oh no....cone....theres gonna be a fire in the comment section after this one
You are the best tank in the world, although I'm not sure you could beat the Bob Semple tank
@Moritz der Echte usoaians? you mean Freeaboos?
@@kousand9917 obeseaboos
@@kousand9917nein
There’s no such thing as a best tank
There’s only bundesaboo
Ooh, finally, one of my favorite damn tanks, the leopard
It is
@@zoethetank2789 yes
I bet your favorite is a panzer
@@agooddemoman8603 Well obviously lol
@@mr_confuse lol
ah yes, one of my favorite MBT
probably another major selling factor of the Leopard 2 was/is, that it is in comparison to other MBT's very reliable and "easy" to maintain.
A key selling point is that the Leopard 2 passed the beer test.
Except you are German Bundeswehr. Not even half of the tanks are functional.
You aren't wrong and I said this in another post too but the thing with Germany is they don't need a big army. What they need is a little effective force cabable of defending their country and they have that in the Bundeswehr even though they are underfunded.
@@k_ir3868 They can't defend themselves
It's also cheap
I knew the leopard 2 was a contemporary of the Abrams, but it's nice to see the details laid out. Superior targeting speed is indeed one of the most decisive factors when determining viability. In my opinion, your argument is built on a strong foundation.
Is it though? th-cam.com/video/7gSiRZNtI-A/w-d-xo.html
The speed was because the germans didn't put the composite armor on because they fell behind and didn't tell the testers and the FCS was made by texas instruments
I would love a deeper dive into Leo2K and earlier prototypes and a closer analysis as to why they’re cursed by design in, well, Cursed by Design
Yes, the Leopard 2 prototype programm with all its different iterations is a really interesting subject in my opinion as well
@@L963-h9r Especially the 20mm version that’s in WT
Cone: Declares Leopard II to be the best MBT
Every American subscriber: **prepares to liberate comments section**
Also Americans: *find's out their Abrams were influenced by the Leopard Development* "Wat."
I literally never heard anyone referring to the M1 as the best tank. It's mostly between the Leopard 2A7 and T-90M when you ask someone here in europe.
I might add though, that every modern MBT is incredible and that differences mostly exist on paper in numbers, not so much in reality. In reality a T-90, Leo 2 or M1 all can do what the other can and can't do what the others also can't do.
@@fabianmichaelgockner5988 Considering they both evolved from the MBT-70 project, that's even less surprising than the sunrise every morning.
Because the Leopard II hasn't ever been in combat.
@@franciscofranco4520 say that to the soldiers who drove in the Middle East and Afghanistan.
Hey, I bought your panzer of the lake sticker. I absolutely love it, I haven’t found a place for it yet however.
Haven't found a place for mine yet either
Put it in a lake
Daaaang man that voiceover at the start! Good deal!
I have questions: if the leopard 2 is so good, then why most of the ammunition is located on the front
because composites duh uh
Its been 11 months and I'd like to enquire, WHAT HAPPENED TO PART 2 OF THIS VIDEO?
14:12 Indonesia, an archipelagic nation operates Leopard 2 too. Leopard 2 availability makes it popular.
Doesnt indonesia got their own armor package for 2a4 versions?
@@chechenfeels most likely, a lot of nations domestically upgrade imported armor to better fit their standards
@@baronentertainment362 Ye like sweden but i think what indonesia got was made by rheinmetall just like the Singapor Army
Yes!
@@chechenfeels Yep just like Singapore.
I think the main problem with folks saying "best tank" is that most are basing their judgements off of video games, where that famous triangle really is all that matters.
Thats why I say the Americans get the top here, the Abrams has been in constant combat and proved itself.
@@bambihall169 exessive fuel consuption
@@badgermcbadger1968 I dont really see that as a concern when your dealing in wars nowadays
@@badgermcbadger1968 Sometimes I question the severity of the fuel problem when I look at Turkish Leopards getting turret ejected by landmines. Abrams just doesn't do that, but you get out of gas and the still not remedied turret ring UFP skip.
@@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 you have to note that the turkish Leopards were of the 2A4 model from the 1980s, without any significant upgrades and used very poorly in city combat while being designed for combatting soviet tanks in open grounds
While I agree the Leopard does outmatch the Abrams in many regards, there is a slight difficulty in trying to compare the two MBT's, the reason for this difficulty is due to the nature of necessity, at the time that the Abrams was being developed, there was a very noticeable need for armor and crew protection due to the M60 being a very outdated tank. I personally feel that in order to give the tanks a proper comparison, you would need to find why they set the certain requirements for the tank. If I remember correctly, you listed the full list of criteria's in the previous video, but these are the ones that I noticed stuck out.
At least from what I have gathered, the US wanted 3 things that heavily weighed the outcome-
Crew Protection, because it doesn't matter how good the tank is if the crew can't stay alive.
Cost, in order to roll out 'X' number of tanks needed, they needed to meet a certain price criteria otherwise, it also makes it easier to promote the manufacturing of the equipment as it provides additional in-state jobs, thus gaining more support of the people, senate, press, ect.
And lastly, a noticeable upgrade in overall protection against weapons such as depleted uranium shells, tungsten-core shells, RPG-7's, IEDs and landmines; all while still having enough mobility to react to given situations of war.
I do agree that the first shot will likely determine the battle, but that was probably one of the reasons there was a focus for armoring the Abrams up so much, this way even a lesser skilled crew could survive a direct hit and react to contact accordingly. Obviously this is all personal opinion based on what I've read and learned so take it all with a grain of salt.
Shut it libby
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They forget tanks are not what win wars, and a F-15 or 18 can turn a tank into a pile of scrap so the Leo kinda sucks in that regard, you have to remember in war America can play both speed and Attrition
Also, many Leopard 2 fans overlook that the Leopard 2 still retains the same issue with ammunition storage being at the front of the vehicle. A lucky shot in the front or at the left side can easily send the entire tank erupting in a massive explosion, which is far more likely to kill the crew than something like a fuel tank fire.
The M1’s fire issue is an easier system to overcome, since, even if one starts, it’s relatively easy to get out of the tank and, most important of all, the ammunition can be ejected to prevent total loss of the vehicle and its crew.
@@bambihall169 Tanks do win Wars, that's something everyone forgets, yes a plane or a helicopter can just destroy a tank but everything has counters.
"Oh, they forget that their planes can just get shot down by our SAMs", "Their SAMs can be destroyed by our infantry", "Their infantry can be destroyed by our tanks". It all goes back on its self, so no, while tanks technically do not win wars, they don't exactly not win wars either. It's a collective effort.
@@bambihall169 infantry actually wins wars. And you might wanna consider one thing: for planes to even do anything CAS-related you need complete air superiority, unless you like getting hit by a SAM.
Infantry with an ATGM or even a disposable rocket launcher are a bigger threat at the moment.
Did you get the sabaton's female narrator to do the intro?
Oh panzer of the lake, what is your wisdom?
@@atv123 don't use tiny barges for your tanks
@@atv123 use your enemies anti tank gun to test your tank armour
@@atv123 do not stan near the bomb
Oh panzer of the lake, what is your wisdom?
Tiger, Panther, Leopard. The three big cats.
The difference is, 2 of the 3 mentioned tanks are over-glorified pieces of scrap metal
@@anm10wolvorinenotapanther32 I agree. Bigger always doesn’t mean better
At least they are cat
@Tendors World the panther broke down often due to its final drive issue but It was surely better than the tiger
You want to know something they all have in common a shortage of parts
How did the Leo 2 do in Syria?
Well this aged well😅
Hell yeah I'm so looking foward to this!
from watching shooting instructors, I want to point out that neither the first shot or hit doesn’t always win. The first disabling hit wins in a confrontation
Hey I plan on visiting 2-3 different tank museums in the USA this summer. Would you want any b roll on any specific tanks?
I can always use more footage of tanks but I plan to get much more myself once I can travel more. Anything rare or unique is always useful though
The left hull: *Imma bout to end this whole man's career*
(Detonated)
Man the production quality of these videos are amazing. Great content.
"The world's best main battle tank. The leopard 2"
*BRRRRRRRRRRRRRAKA MONOGA! DOITSU NO KAGAKU WA SEKAI ICHIIIIIIII*
-Some cyborg German guy
guys it is crazy but i think this is jojo reference
iS This A JojO rEfErNce?!!!!
I am German and i can agree
Best boi Stroheim
Fuck Rommel, Stroheim was the best german during the war
Cool to see that AW is doing advertising. I actually enjoy it more than WT and WoT
nice intro man
LEAPORD YASSSS
Thank you for the premiere. Glad to watch this. There is truly no best tank as you have to ask who, what, where, when, why as each country has requirements that are different due to needs, doctrine, and even culture, etc. It's the guys inside the tank that make it great generally and even still, it's never tank A vs tank B. It's tank A with arty, infantry, air support, tanks, etc. vs tank B with the same. Thanks Cone, can't wait for part 2.
Possibly unpopular opinion, but at this point I think the capabilities of the top tier tanks is getting so close that the difference is not the tank but the surrounding support, logistics and training structure.
A tank is only as good as its surrounding groups, thats why there were destroyed Leo 2 in turkey and Abrams in Irak
Yes. But the most important factor is the deployment zone and tactics. Look at the Canadian and Turkish use of Leo's. Turks used their Leo's while there were no infantry support. So they lost 5-8 Leo 2s. While Canadians used their Leo's with care and made their enemies shit on their pants.
The problem when people compare the m1a2 and the a7 is that when they type the m1a2 into google they forget to add the “sepv4” as that’s the full name. They are pretty much comparing a modern tank to a a tank that is more than 10 years old
Boo hoo Abrams isn’t called the best so ima go keyboard warrior. Absolutely no one cares, if your country has a tank that can fulfill its duties I count it as good. Not everything is a sick measuring contest. What’s your point also.
@@mango9602 I’m not sure where you got all that shit from, I’m just saying when people compare the two, they are comparing the wrong tanks.
You kinda forgot the ammo rack behind the frontal armor that is a massive weak spot.
I was just saying something about that, lol. If you compare Abrams getting hit to Leopard getting hit. The Leopard has some nasty secondary explosions while the Abrams is like "lol wut" as the fuel burns off worst case. They really need to delete that or have a good blowout system. Store the ammo angled vertical and have it blow forward or something as a sealed cold storage travel rack.
that was actually "fixed" on the newest versions ... the DM63 ammunition just doesnt explode when hit
Front ammo rack placement alone disqualifies the Leo from holding this title
Insensitive munitions adopted about 20 years ago have resolved that issue. Most older stocks of ammunition have also been either upgraded accordingly or converted into things like PELE, also with insensitive propellant.
Nice Intro of my old service vehicle. Well researched, pointing out the major points to know about its development.
God damn the t 64 was so a head of its time.
@Pommy Pie Fact of the matter is that the t 64 was literally being produced before the first leopard 1 was made. A decade later they had the t80 and other upgrades of the t72 which were also ahead of there time.
@Pommy Pie Never said the 80s. t72s and t80s were all made in the 70s, thats why I said a decade later not two... If the soviet union had the funds they probably would have continued makes amazing tanks. That being said I would still rather be in a t72 or t80 over a m60a3.
Bob Semple was ahead of its time
@Pommy Pie T-64 was introduced at around 1963-'64, a decade later it would've seen Chieftain Mk5's, Leopard 1A2's and M60A2's.
It's still by far the most capable, especially given that the T-64B was right around the corner and it'd already been upgraded to the T-64A standard in 1968.
Unfortunately for the T64, it is no longer it’s time.
ok but get warthunder sponsor next time the ingame footage is heaps better
I actually liked the flash and smoke/dust of this footage though. But war thunder has indeed better models.
The grind of WT leaves alot to be desired though.
Besides, AW has been chugging along on a smaller dev team than the other bigger tank games.
The thing that always jars me when I see Armored Warfare footage is that the tanks still look pristine even after taking a penetrating hit. It's only when they're actually destroyed that any damage at all is visible.
Armored warfarr has better details such as lights on tanks (front lights and back lights turnijg on when reversing) and after the shot ypu can see thick smoke coming out from the fume extractor.
LOL.....
Anybody notice a heart ❤️ drawn out on the window at 5:04?
can't wait for the episodes about the T-64, the Challenger, and the Leclerc
I would love to see you do one on the leclerc
Not sure I'd agree any tank is the best since different tanks fit better warfare doctrines better. For example, the Abrams is probably the best tank for what America uses it's tanks for but arguably others could beat it out in certain raw statistics, and the Leopard 2 is in a similar situation.
Despite that, the fascinating history of it's development was a welcome watch.
world best MBT leopard 2
Bob Semple "care to correct yourself."
Agreed. The only reason why countries don't use tanks as powerful as the bob semple is because [redacted] there are no words in the english language that could possibly explain it's true power.
@@diegomoreno7760 Care to elaborate?
I'm not saying its the best,no tank is.
They are built for their armies doctrine,besides the point anyways.
Shit you’re right, we forgot about the bob semple! Capable of a top speed of [redacted] and sporting armor capable of taking shells of [redacted] calibers with no damage!
The Bob Semple is not a Main Battle Tank
It's his own army, navy and air force in just one vehicle.
@@highjumpstudios2384 i heard that the armor of a Bob Semple manage to withstand an atomic bomb, not sure if this is true, since the scientist that said it, disappear under mysterious circumstances...
Having a BV (boiling vessel) is an essential requirement to be considered the best.
ah, a Challenger 2 fan
Oh no the bri ish are back everyone run
Also the best officers. Challys are madlads only tanks.
@@Joshua_N-A that's why the boiling vessel. Without proper tea you're never getting the best officers and gentlemen.
@@jwenting darjeeling, orange pekoe, rosehip, assam, earl grey, airdrop in 3...2...1...
Am I right in thinking the Leopard 2 doesn't have the awful fuel efficiency of the Abrams either?
When's part 2 dropping?
that'd be correct, plus it has the benefit of running on diesel instead of jet fuel which simplifies supply lines.
@@jonahdewitt8464 I'm not trying to fanboy for the Abrams, but its turbine is less picky about fuel than most internal combustion engines. Every source I have seen says that it can run on diesel, and many other hydrocarbons, in addition to the jet fuel.
@@jonahdewitt8464 Abram's turbine can use multiple fuel types, not only jet fuel. Merica knows the quirk of the turbine but accepted it because of its performance and versatile acceptance of fuel, even if it is quite thirsty, America can be spendy with it's supplies
@jonahdewitt8464 the US miltary has standardized on one fuel type for all ground vehicles starting in the early 90s to simplify supply lines. It's JP8 which is a NATO standard fuel. As others have pointed out the turbine can run on diesel or other fuels if necessary. One of the main things that makes the US military so capable is its logistics capability, hence bases all over the world.
war thunder should definitely add the prototype fergul de terliopad tank it looks freaking cool as hell i would definitely waste money on it
When are you going to do part 2 of this video? Do you have a production schedule? Are you going to cover successors both NATO, Warsaw Pact & others?
...didn't do very good in it's first test against the Russian armor.
yes
1. wasnt its first test... you know nothing about it
2. even if it was.. its not a very good test
3. it currently has the best gun in the world... the challenger 3 and the abrams have the same 120mm rheinmetal
4. its issues is the driver/gunner/commander ect, not the tank
it has DM73 literally the best round in the world
This was sooo damn interesting and educational to watch!!! Damn thanks mahn enjoyed it a lot!!
I always found this argument weird for two reasons both tanks are so similar you could call them cousins and two if there was a war 99 percent of the time they will be on the same side.
Great video that covers all the details that I have always wanted to know. Thank you for your hard work, and research, I can't wait for part 2.
As a Brazilian, every time I see the Osório, I shed a tear...
It's quite impressive for a private company to build something like that, something that is considered world class.
@@Joshua_N-A Indeed. Gov let the Company die, and now, we are searching for a New MBT. Irony, I say.
@@Flavio42442 the modern non-Western tank would be Russia T series, Chinese VT4, S. Korean K2 Black Panther and Japanese Mitsubishi Type 10 as well as the Turkish Altay and Indian Arjun.. Has any of these countries offered Brazil their tanks?
@@Joshua_N-A Our army can't buy things like the Challenger or Abrams because of our geography And infrastructure, they are too heavy for us. And the military did not reveal what tanks they are willing to test.
@@Flavio42442 it's a shame. Brazilian companies prove that they have the potential and Brazil nearly become the place for alternatives. It's a proof that Latin American heavy industry is a serious player on international stage. Malaysia could've at least have the MB-3 Tamayo had the government acted quicker, and could've acquire the Osorio had we have a bit more money that time. We were looking for an MBT in the 90's. South Korea once offered over 200 K1s, which too much for us. Our heavy industry could've establish a joint venture with Brazilian companies in defense related products in order to compete at least in some degree with Singapore, they too have an impressive heavy industry.
Even if it's not the best, It IS the sexiest.
Did the US really buy a Leopard 2 prototype? The only source for this is Tank Encyclopedia, and they often find claims that aren’t really supported on their website. Hence why they often ask for writers and fact checkers on discord.
Note: This is not a jab at Tank encyclopedia. I’m just curious because this seems to be the only source I can find that makes this claim, which is kind of a red flag.
(I actually haven’t read the book in the description. I might just have to buy it. Does it support this claim?)
Yes, I primarily used the book and the tank encyclopedia article also used that book afaik.
@@ConeOfArc Interesting! I definitely need to read that book!
@@ConeOfArc Sad to see you did not pick the subject of different special armor packages of all batches. Ranked from A to D.
Ah yes the leopard I remember fighting this in my Sherman in war thunder “good times”
"Leopard 2, the world's best MBT"
**Leclerc shoting down moving target at 5000m while moving at 70km : am i a joke to you ?**
@@apis_aculei yes and how many time the leclerc won the iron spears international training with being better than leopards and abrams ?
and yes the leclerc is consuming more fuel as its have more powerfull engine and a litle turbine that create some extra power
@@valian8985 no tank is the best. The true best tank is the last one still alive
@@brimstone1355 yes and that why being able to shot first is the key for suces and on this point leclerc (for the moment) is superior
@@valian8985 bro i seen so much people say a certain tank is the best or "superior"😂. It has never fought against mbts from other countries so the best tank has not been decided yet. Unless its made of some impenetrable armour and can move at the speed of sound no tank is truly the best untill its tested in a war
As always great video with lots of Great stuff.
Thanks for your work Cone!
By the way, I love European tanks and in particular the leopard 2! About European tanks, are you going to make a video about the Ariete tank and the Leclerc tank?
Thank you again!
Is that your voice at start?
I wouldnt say the leopard is the best tank in the world, or any tank would be the best in the world, all tanks work for their respective countries so an abrams may not work for the russians and how they use tanks but for the americans it works as it works along with there doctrine.
Ur just mad
@@robiagacitei5487 cant really say any modern mbt is the best because classified information, along with that a tank is only as good as its crew
@@hpep9159 except the best crew on a bad tank can't do much
Everyone knows that Arjun is clearly the best MBT. The only close contender is the TR-85.
Man this is the right channel since I know every World War II tank and German Branch USA branch USSR branch and experimental branch
Nowdays Leo is used as a tin can to smoke some humans....
Right on, first to be aware of the enemy and make an acquisition has control of the fight and will likely win, tanks or otherwise, and the Leopard’s situational awareness equipment is stellar.
Where 2a5 and 2a6. They are absolute beasts in terms of combat as well as having a lot of angled armor in the front of the turret
Were there any German Leo2s fighting in 1991 Gulf War and in Kosovo?
*Every tank is the best when the opponent is a JUNK CAR or a PALESTINIAN*
I got a Warpath ad before this video and it just hyped me up all the way until I realized the video hadn't even started
Due to its outstanding history in combat, no doubt
Lol
Hmmm i can see why the leo 2 could be one of the best.
Like litterally idk how many have been exported and modified
The Nordic countries like them
\*Happy Canadian noises\*
It probably doesn't have much actually to do with how 'good' they are; rather how available they are. Im sure germany exports them for a much better price than most of the competition. Parts availability is also likely much better due to the location of Germany.
At the end of the day, quantity and logistics usually triumphs over how modern the technology they use is.
@@UpToSpeedOnJaguar But that's like literally the major part of it?
If a car can do 100% of the things for 100.000€, it's impressive.
But if a different car from a different company can do 95% of the same things for 50.000€ and at a lower running cost, it's even more impressive
@@Sebastian-yl7nq that's my point. I wouldn't call the leo 2 the "best," but for the money, it's what europe likes to go with. It's available.
I personally believe maximum crew survivability is what makes a tank the best, but this is just my opinion. You can build tanks, but it takes longer to make a truly skilled crew.
While I appreciate that armoured warfare sponsored the video, I've noticed that theres some slight shuddering in the in game clips :/
Probably just from the replay I recorded not the actual game.
@@ConeOfArc understandable! Thanks for your great content
In the 1980’s, the Leopard 2A4 edged off as the “best tank” due to some minor differences between it and then M1A1. Once 1992 hit, the US released the first M1A2s into service and in ‘93, had the best firepower among all tanks, being the only ones capable of defeating K-5 at combat range. In 1999, Germany unveiled the Leopard 2A5 and the pendulum once again swung back in their direction. This would only last a couple years before M1A2 SEP with M829A3 entered service. Since then, the Leopard 2 never really eclipsed the Abrams afterwards. Their tungsten ammunition was still considerably inferior even with the L/55 at the release of 2A6. It gets dicy when talking about 2A6M and 2A7, but M1A2 SEPv3 is currently the most advanced NATO tank in service right now, and M829A4 is currently the best 120 mm ammunition in the world.
Germany is developing new ammunition and modifications to their breech to allow them to fire higher pressure ammo called KE2020NEO or DM73A1. This should supposedly match M829A4 roughly, albeit over 5 years late and with a longer barrel.
But if the gun and FCS department were the only areas the Leopard 2 bested the Abrams, they certainly lost that spot after the 80’s.
Sorry but thats not really true. the 2a6 tungsten ammo isnt really inferior at all. also using depleted uranium at all(in whatever it is,armor or ammo) is the most stupid fucking thing. the only good thing about it is that its cheap af. on the downside: higher cancer rates among crew and population where this ammo gets fired. US tanks are forbidden to use DU rounds on german testing sites. thank god
@@chechenfeels yep, they use depleted uranium because the main wolframium deposit on earth its on China and the second ones in Germany and Chile.
@@chechenfeels Sorry but that's not true. DM63A1, the current most advanced ammunition in service with the Bundeswehr, is objectively inferior to M829A4. Not only is it made of an inferior material compared to the US uranium-alloy, but it's also only about 2/3 as long. The extended L/55 barrel exists to compensate for the weaker pressure ammo compared to what the US uses.
As for the armor, uranium is a dense material just like tungsten. There is 0 advantage tungsten has as armor over uranium, and there's never been a case of higher cancer rates among crew. That's a lie and proven to be false in multiple studies.
Also, the DU "cancer rates" are just media BS. It's less radioactive than getting an X-Ray. On top of that, Tungsten is just as toxic as DU when aerosolized.
@@chechenfeels Keep spreading the wrong information about radiation and DU. I swear, you say the word radioactive and people assume you'll die if you so much as look at the material. Any kind of heavy metal when aerosolized is gonna cause negative health effects. No one said warfighting was clean.
@@AdamantLightLP theres 👏a👏reason👏US👏 tank👏 are👏 forbidden 👏from👏 training 👏on👏 german👏 soil👏with👏DU👏rounds👏 u 👏dipshit
I spent a ton of my childhood blowing these up in games.
Why does the timeline jumps around? It goes from troop trial in 79 to production "finally" starting in 77
The best you say challenger 2 has entered the chat
Heavy, slow, rifled, 2 piece ammo. But besides that yes
@@Ribbon_13 its not slow and the ammo is actually 3 stage I believe and it has to be rifled to work with hesh and hesh is a pretty good round
@@jordanoxley1728 good but outdated and overshadowwed by HEAT-FS having an all in 1 package
@@jordanoxley1728 Challenger 2 59kmph, M1A2SEP ≈68kmph, with the latest leopard being also ≈68kmph. 9kmph slower than its counter parts. Who also are more mobile in terms of acceleration, and you do have to replace the gun barrel alot more often due to rifling being worn away.
also keep in mind the Chally has ~1200hp for >70t while Leo and M1 have ~1500hp at ~60-65t + Both of them have more torque
If it takes less than 3 hours to repair its tracks, it checks off in my books.
@@cmdr4589 at least the pfp is on time
*visible confusion*
Your pfp is confusing me
@@vorosgellert5606 what y'all saying Joe Trump isn't the president? I've been lied to
@@stalker5299 no its actually Donald Biden
Maybe he's planning about a new video about the Challenger 2 :v.
Cursed by design?
I'm not arguing for German technical superiority I'm stating the fucking obvious!
The Leopard 2 has an American fire control system which is hilarious to me
@@chaosXP3RT the abrahms have a german gun
Is there second chapter as said in the video ? Can't find it. Would be great to see the analysis of following leopard 2 versions and combat service/lessons
Question.
Is the part 2 for this video on the works? I know its only been a couple of months but im just curious
I think the Abrams and leopard are equals, but at the end of the day it’s up to the crews training and experience.
Exactly. Plus the logistics. Poland is planning to buy Abrams tanks now, even though it has Leopard 2's. This makes no sense to me: it's much more effective to buy more of what perhaps is a SLIGHTLY less effective tank, but which you know how to use and have the logistics and training systems for already in place, than to buy something SLIGHTLY more effective which you can't afford to operate anyway.
The Abrams is battle tested and proven in large numbers. The Leo, not so much.
@@generalkayoss7347 Lol the Leo had many battles and it is THE BEST but ok
Of course they are extremely similar, M1 Abrams and Leopard 2 started suspiciously after the MBT 70 jointventure. They have the same horsepower, almost the same main gun, basically the same weight and profile and are drawing upon the same industries(USA and germany OTP) for upgrades. They're basically twins.
@@misterplayer7250 wehraboo cope
The leopard 2 definitely holds the tittle of being the most overatted MBT
Also I'm glad you said against tanks as it's frustrating when people think about tanks in only a vacum, they're meant to fight anything on the battlefield afterall.
Overrated? How?
@@sfrandoom8694 its cost efficiency is horrendous all the great "situational awareness" easily would be solved with more units, thats why the US has the crappy Bradleys to give the Abrams a extra pair of eyes, while making multiple targets. For instance a modern jet can take out a tank like nothing so having all your money strapped on 1 instead of spit among 5 is dumb, same reason Germany got screwed by Russia in ww2 numbers wins in attrition
@@sfrandoom8694
Well if you challenge some on why it's the "best tank" " then they'll spew out stats about the vehicle, and compare it to other vehicles, or talk about how amazing it is in games like war thunder which has given the reputation of being amazing.
Tiger 1 and panther get the same treatment in terms of being overatted.
As well its limited combat service has meant its had little chance for flaws to be exposed which will only show up in a live combat situation. Where as Abrams and Challenger 2 have had those trials by fire and been found lacking, then upgraded accordingly. Where as the leo 2 has had most of it's upgrades done from basically lab testing.
A lot of the time it's just people forgetting that armour, mobility, and firepower aren't the only important factors attached to a tanks design.
I wasn't even aware Armored Warfare was beyond clinging to life lol.
11:50 Took me a while to figure out it was fool playing in the background, nice :D
The City of Munster not only has the nice training ground, there is also the famous tank museum.
And the pedestrian zone in the city has this beautyful cafe terrace where a training grenade (made of concrete) impacted.
I think "Best Tank" is too close to call between the Abrams and Leo2. Their overall capabilities are nearly identical and the value of their differences usually depend on one's preferences than something that can be definitively measured.
Chally 2 feels left out 😢
@@Kyle-gw6qp chally 2 is the best mbt especially now its been confirmed that it's getting upgraded.
I would say the Abrams gets the edge solely on the pretext of it being proven in combat the Leo really hasnt had that many engagements to confirm all their claims
@@bambihall169 Chally has been proven better in combat of abrams?
@@rsaviation6299 No the Challenger 2 like the Abrams are monsters in their own right but I would argue the Abrams has been more active recently than the Challenger-2
We all know that the Best german Tank/Tank Destroyer is the StuG 3!
Why?Here why:
1)Cheap
2)Reliable
3)Effective
4)Easy to manufactor
Just ask the Panzerwaffe,After all they Made over 11.000 of These!
If you think you there is a better german Tank,write it in the replies :)
Can i add a 5 with it also being export to allies.
@@davidty2006 yes,good point
But at last they failed...just as always😏
@@CyrusMathayus laughs in franco prussian war
@@CyrusMathayus Oh look a man who doesn't know history!Take a look in some history Books before you write something like this
germans coming up with leopard 2:
german officer: race cars are nice
german officer 2: i agree
german officer: what about _we slap a turret on it?_
german tank designer: GOOD IDEA
I just love how the Kpf/Kpz/Mbt 70 looks
I love that intro, the narration makes me feel watching a LOTR with tanks
I think the Leopard 2 is a great tank because it can do anything well enough. Sure, the reason so many were purchased is that they were basically bargain price after the Soviet Union collapsed; but that has given way to so many different upgrades and options that can be placed on it today. Not the best, but very reliable and versatile.
yeah its modularity and upgradability is why the thing is so popular for exports. every country can modify and make their own versions of it with addon armor where they think they need it. Like the STRV122 for example.
A country being able to afford it is actually an exceedingly important factor. If you can afford 100 Leopard 2 from a post-Cold War bargain sale or 20 some-other-MBT with no discount, there's simply no other tank that would be five times better than Leopard 2!
Turns out they weren't that good
I think what makes the Leopard 2 stand out is it's modularization and servicability. It can easily be modified and Upgraded. Also all Partner countries which use the Leo2 meet and train on a regular Basis and share experience with each other.
This aged like milk. Multiple Leopards knocked out before even seeing an enemy tank.
Found the Russian
@@w1pa123 no, found the person who tells the truth.
@@GeraltofRivia22 truth based on what? Show us some proof, will you?
@@w1pa123 it's freely available information. Literal video evidence.
@@GeraltofRivia22 then it should be easy to link some
This video aged like fine milk...
Nice to see a Danish Leo2 in the video