Great video, I worked for Bentall Simplex in 1988-90 and used to get a bit involved with the Scunthorpe Marshalls. Great times, if you need any further information give us a shout.......cheers Dave🙂
Excellent video about marshall harvest gold tractors my dad had a 804 one of the last to be made at the end of 1988 12 years before we gave up farming also in my opinion marshalls best tractors were the 04 54 and 100 series models
My granda has a Marshall 802 with a grays front loader. It earns its keep by moving about 1000 small bales of hay with a flat eight bale grab and other front loader jobs. It also is used as a backup tractor for turn hay with a haybob 300 on 9 acres of grass. It also is used to other items about with the pallet forks on the rear.
@@AgrimotiveFarmMachinery it is pretty good mechanically but the tin work needs work and the electrics need a lot of work. It also no very road legal and could do with some fresh rear tyres. It is no bad for being sat outside and near manure for the last 40 years between a farm and a croft in the north of Scotland 🏴
In fairness Marshall made 300 mods to the Leyland design. You missed the 904. A lot of development work was done at Gainsborough, eg the XL longer wheelbase creep gearbox versions and in particular the advanced albeit arguably ugly 100 series which was started from scratch - problem was they couldn't make money on it while the whole market/economy went pear shaped in the early 80's and Marshalls were too small to weather its effects. Cessation of 4/98 engine production at Bathgate was seen as a problem, although JCB wanted to take it over as a JV and it continued in production at BMC Sanayi in Turkey - apparently overlooked.
Great informative video Alan. 6M for the business….hey stole it. Drove a Marshall for a few years carting silage, as you say it was not in the league of the MF 600 series or fords. But they would have been a much cheaper tractor than the leading brands???
Thanks, Cathal. Yes, they would have been significantly discounted over the mainstream brands. I must do some research into comparable model prices at the time 👍
I don’t know much about Leyland tractors and they were pretty thin on the ground in Australia. As far as I can remember I have never seen a Marshall tractor here. Leyland cars finally died a spectacular death here in 1975 after producing 18000 P76 cars that were not very well regarded by anyone but die hards. They were competing with Holden, Ford and Chrysler in the big car market. They are quite collectible now but you have to be keen. They also produced a two door hatch called the Force7V. It had a 4.4l V8 and was competing with the V8 Torana, 6 cylinder Cortina and the 6 cylinder Chrysler Centura. It was still born and all cars built but 10 were crushed. It has an excellent reputation as a result. I have an owners manual for the Force 7V. These were printed in June 1974 and were sold in the fire sale along with the 10 surviving cars. One of these is in the UK somewhere apparently, having been sent to the parent company. Jeff
Tractors were much better than cars. Still using them today which is a testimate to how well designed and strong they were. Like a lot of companies needed more investment early on to keep them going.
Good video Alan, I suppose they never would have survived in the long term as you pointed out others had moved onto more reliability, comfort, and when names like ford and Fiat disappeared, they hadn't a chance.
Yes, very true, it was either wrap it up, or get bought up by the bigger companies like David Brown were by CASE, who were in reality, just buying market share and a customer base.
Good video however as far as i remember Marshalls weren't unreliable they fixed on the issues Leyland created because on the advertising posters for Marshall back in the 80s it said "Made better by Marshall" so they fixed all the Leyland problems. For a starter, most of them were 4WD but still makimh 2WD ones Marshalls had better cabs quite luxuriously, to be honest They made the Marshall 100, which is the 6 cylinder tractor that was better than the 2100 but unfortunately wasn't mass produced
Oh, no doubt they were reliable.. the Leyland issues had been largely sorted with the introduction of the syncro gearbox. Other small issues were indeed sorted by Marshall. However, the economics of the time and the infux of foreign machinery ultimately led to their demise.. Thanks for watching 👍
Good day from Ontario Canada Back in middle 60's 10-60 $4500 cdn compared to American at mayeb 5500 or more. In our area take toke over well, but did not stand up, I think with heads?? not sure Some blue ones, less Field marshalls Thanks
An old mechanic from collon told me leyland had engine liner trouble..just like their ancestor nuffield 10/60.they spent time and money trying to sort engine issues.reliability became somewhat of an issue.while the opposition stormed ahead and got the initiative.i ilke your videos.!@@AgrimotiveFarmMachinery
Leyland's we're a good all round tractor for farmers 6 cylinders were scrap 60hp back end contractors had them here the 995 international 15 90 Davie brown we're a match !! but were 3times the tractor! Are you said very bad design rubber mountain 60 horsepower 70 horsepower clutch to cope with 100 horsepower . I have a 2100 I'm doing up but it will only be for light work! Turning hay toping grass . We have a 270 nearly 40 years good tractor for general farm work! I it's day!
Mine is as a synchro 2100 synchro better than crash box but you have to be very careful you don't RAM the gears are you have to build the complete box from top to Bott! Can be very expensive££
Weak transmissions terrible clutches and hydraulics. Good up-to 60 hp Tractor. After that just not good enough. The Syncro models ate clutches especially on loader work as people rammed them from forward to reverse ! Marshal tried making a weak tractor into a modern one with minimal upgrades. Just see why JCB dropped Leyland Tractor powertrain, poor quality and endless strikes at Bathgate.
Thanks, Mark.. Yes, it seems there were a lot of issues with the larger models. They just weren't up to the job, and it ultimately led to their demise.
We have a Marshall 100, fantastic machine. Looking forward to the next Marshall video
Thanks for watching 👍
A Big thanks , from Norway - like your great knowlege about tractor history priceless!
Thank you very much.. I'm glad you enjoyed them.😊
Great video, I worked for Bentall Simplex in 1988-90 and used to get a bit involved with the Scunthorpe Marshalls. Great times, if you need any further information give us a shout.......cheers Dave🙂
Thanks, Dave. I appreciate that. It's great to hear from people like yourself who were involved in some way with the companies we chat about.
Excellent video about marshall harvest gold tractors my dad had a 804 one of the last to be made at the end of 1988 12 years before we gave up farming also in my opinion marshalls best tractors were the 04 54 and 100 series models
804 was a super machine. Thanks for watching 👍
My granda has a Marshall 802 with a grays front loader. It earns its keep by moving about 1000 small bales of hay with a flat eight bale grab and other front loader jobs. It also is used as a backup tractor for turn hay with a haybob 300 on 9 acres of grass. It also is used to other items about with the pallet forks on the rear.
Great to see them still out there working hard. 👍
@@AgrimotiveFarmMachinery it is pretty good mechanically but the tin work needs work and the electrics need a lot of work. It also no very road legal and could do with some fresh rear tyres. It is no bad for being sat outside and near manure for the last 40 years between a farm and a croft in the north of Scotland 🏴
@callumhudson802 Still, rather see them out working than sitting perfectly looking in a shed or museum
In fairness Marshall made 300 mods to the Leyland design. You missed the 904. A lot of development work was done at Gainsborough, eg the XL longer wheelbase creep gearbox versions and in particular the advanced albeit arguably ugly 100 series which was started from scratch - problem was they couldn't make money on it while the whole market/economy went pear shaped in the early 80's and Marshalls were too small to weather its effects. Cessation of 4/98 engine production at Bathgate was seen as a problem, although JCB wanted to take it over as a JV and it continued in production at BMC Sanayi in Turkey - apparently overlooked.
Thanks for that great information 👍
Great video Alan. I think that the Marshall 702 with a Sekura cab is still a great looking tractor.
Yes Gerard, they are still a smart looking machine. Thanks 👍
Had a couple 804's, still got one that still working earning is keep.
@@peanutjellyman Very good. Thanks for watching 👍
Great job !!!!!
Thanks for watching 👍
Great work. Thank you.
Thanks Philip..
Great informative video Alan. 6M for the business….hey stole it. Drove a Marshall for a few years carting silage, as you say it was not in the league of the MF 600 series or fords. But they would have been a much cheaper tractor than the leading brands???
Thanks, Cathal. Yes, they would have been significantly discounted over the mainstream brands. I must do some research into comparable model prices at the time 👍
I don’t know much about Leyland tractors and they were pretty thin on the ground in Australia. As far as I can remember I have never seen a Marshall tractor here.
Leyland cars finally died a spectacular death here in 1975 after producing 18000 P76 cars that were not very well regarded by anyone but die hards. They were competing with Holden, Ford and Chrysler in the big car market. They are quite collectible now but you have to be keen.
They also produced a two door hatch called the Force7V. It had a 4.4l V8 and was competing with the V8 Torana, 6 cylinder Cortina and the 6 cylinder Chrysler Centura. It was still born and all cars built but 10 were crushed. It has an excellent reputation as a result. I have an owners manual for the Force 7V. These were printed in June 1974 and were sold in the fire sale along with the 10 surviving cars. One of these is in the UK somewhere apparently, having been sent to the parent company. Jeff
Unfortunately, the car business pretty much sealed the faith of the tractors. Thanks Jeff 👍
Tractors were much better than cars. Still using them today which is a testimate to how well designed and strong they were. Like a lot of companies needed more investment early on to keep them going.
Good man. Another good video.
Thanks Mike 👍
Good video Alan, I suppose they never would have survived in the long term as you pointed out others had moved onto more reliability, comfort, and when names like ford and Fiat disappeared, they hadn't a chance.
Yes, very true, it was either wrap it up, or get bought up by the bigger companies like David Brown were by CASE, who were in reality, just buying market share and a customer base.
Good video however as far as i remember Marshalls weren't unreliable they fixed on the issues Leyland created because on the advertising posters for Marshall back in the 80s it said "Made better by Marshall" so they fixed all the Leyland problems.
For a starter, most of them were 4WD but still makimh 2WD ones
Marshalls had better cabs quite luxuriously, to be honest
They made the Marshall 100, which is the 6 cylinder tractor that was better than the 2100 but unfortunately wasn't mass produced
Oh, no doubt they were reliable.. the Leyland issues had been largely sorted with the introduction of the syncro gearbox. Other small issues were indeed sorted by Marshall. However, the economics of the time and the infux of foreign machinery ultimately led to their demise.. Thanks for watching 👍
Good day from Ontario Canada Back in middle 60's 10-60 $4500 cdn compared to American at mayeb 5500 or more.
In our area take toke over well, but did not stand up, I think with heads?? not sure
Some blue ones, less Field marshalls
Thanks
Yes, a few suffered with head issues. Thanks for watching.. Greetings from Ireland 🇮🇪
Interesting. Almost 2k subscribers!
Nearly there 👍
Top class. The only leyland i drove was a leyland 272 with a loader and yard scraper
Thanks David 👍
Charnleys actually made a small batch of jwd tractors with perkins engines with sekura cab
Thanks for that. 👍
Which do you think were the better engines Perkins or leyland
Leyland were great, robust engines for what they were at the time.. But it's hard to beat Perkins.
An old mechanic from collon told me leyland had engine liner trouble..just like their ancestor nuffield 10/60.they spent time and money trying to sort engine issues.reliability became somewhat of an issue.while the opposition stormed ahead and got the initiative.i ilke your videos.!@@AgrimotiveFarmMachinery
@@tonyowens628 Thanks for watching 👍
Leyland's we're a good all round tractor for farmers 6 cylinders were scrap 60hp back end contractors had them here the 995 international 15 90 Davie brown we're a match !! but were 3times the tractor! Are you said very bad design rubber mountain 60 horsepower 70 horsepower clutch to cope with 100 horsepower . I have a 2100 I'm doing up but it will only be for light work! Turning hay toping grass . We have a 270 nearly 40 years good tractor for general farm work! I it's day!
Thanks Felix. It's just a pity more design and testing wasn't put into the 6 cylinder models. Good luck with your restoration 👍
That's awesome. If you're doing up a 2100, make sure you do a video on it :) 👍
Mine is as a synchro 2100 synchro better than crash box but you have to be very careful you don't RAM the gears are you have to build the complete box from top to Bott! Can be very expensive££
Nothing is cheap when you get into a gearbox 🙈
You forgot Marshall's product placement......... In Emmerdale Farm 😂
Oh yes, I remember that from the 80's. It was Jack Sugden that had one, wasn't it? 🤣
He did, and if you go back farther they had a v8 110 too 😂😂😂
@@Patmac74 🤣
Weak transmissions terrible clutches and hydraulics. Good up-to 60 hp Tractor. After that just not good enough. The Syncro models ate clutches especially on loader work as people rammed them from forward to reverse ! Marshal tried making a weak tractor into a modern one with minimal upgrades. Just see why JCB dropped Leyland Tractor powertrain, poor quality and endless strikes at Bathgate.
Thanks, Mark.. Yes, it seems there were a lot of issues with the larger models. They just weren't up to the job, and it ultimately led to their demise.