The lean forward tip is really helpful. I always find myself leaning back. Also, leaning into each turn with your whole body is vital. Thank you for this vid 🙌
If you wanna get super radical and cray just straight line the whole double black diamond run....🤪😄😂. Real piece of advice when boarding or life in general, know your limits. You have to have the skills to pay the bills.
Yoooo that tip about not leaning back so far is so clutch I shared it to a homie after watching the vid on the chairlift and he instantly got better my mans didn’t slip out once when he kept his weight square Before I passed along that tip My friend was saying that it was because he hadn’t sharpened his edges in a while
1. Stay on toe edge when possible 2. Emphasize front foot if it's not deep pow 3. Align your body to the slope as much as possible 4. Try to feel your edge and make sure you are right on top of it 5. Prepare for bumps 6. Understand that you will fall a lot if it's essentially steep mogul run 7. Get more comfortable with speed
Refreshing myself on some snowboard tips for this upcoming season out in Tahoe. Can't wait to step up from the blacks to double blacks this season! Thanks Kevin for all your vids. You seriously helped me get to where I'm at with my riding.
@@kels7286 no way! All I could do on my first day was heel it all the way down on the green. After about 3 times down, my thighs were burning like crazy and I was catching cramps. I can’t imagine going down black diamond the first day. I’m being careful - I’m old 😀
@Chris Benson I remember when I first started - just like that. I can turn heel and toe side now. I started just to bond with my son (24) and it was really like torture. My body was getting beat up pretty bad - took two days to recoup. But now I’m really starting to have fun - can keep at it for hours with no pain.
5:00 This was really confidence inspiring actually. I'm used to ice coast double blacks, so I was too scared of hitting the powdery ones over West. Glad to hear it should be easier in theory 😅
This was a perfectly timed video for me. I'm a new lifty and new to boarding/skiing as well, they are having me run a lift on the Double black side. These tips will get me down there safely, thank you. Also I tell people that have no clue what they're doing to check out your channel. Hope it helps.
Great advice! Yeah I think with the heel edge - plenty of people have their bindings setup so their boots are over the edge, so if you're on a steep slope and lean back, high edge angle, you're quickly riding on your boots literally, aka spill city. On the toe edge your edge angle can be much higher, better balance - even if you have a wide enough deck to get a good heel edge without boots or bindings touching the snow, ice and crud snow make it even worse. Love the Whistler content, my favorite place to ride for sure! Hope you're all doing well out there!
good video man, first time i tried a diamon i hit a tree, didnt give up on the sport, 2nd time going i got black diamond down and now in love with the sport!
I went on my first double black in jackson hole and slipped out for the longest 10 seconds of my life. It was so icy and there was barely any snow. I cried the rest of the way going down no joke.
Nice video and great tips. I'm an east coast AASI snowboard instructor. I would also like to add for anyone reading these comments for tips to try retracting or unweighting the board by flexing your ankles, knees, and hips right when you release each edge and pivot to the new edge. This helps change edges quickly with a lot of balance. Once on the new edge slowly extend your ankles, knees, and hips to control that edge and check speed. We call the turns in this video "leapers" because you rise up and hop at edge changes. That's a good technique too, but may not be the best for all steeps. Hope this helps some of you out there!
Hey it would make my day if you responed to this. I have been watching you for three years and i love your content. I did my first double a few days ago. Much love.
Tried my first double black diamond last year. I did another one yesterday. I struggle so much with that toe edge turn that I often just end up horse shoeing back and forth on my heal edge at decent speeds. Let me tell ya, I need to get that toe edge turn down because by the end my quads are on fire XD
Imo it's most fun to ride the level that you can do well. If you can run blues super well and fly down them but you're slow when going down blacks then blues are more fun. Blacks will make you better though so its important to do both. Eventually you will be as comfortable on blacks as you were on blues and then progress that onto double blacks
You really need quality snow for steep terrain on a snowboard. That said, first lines on deep powder on a double black may be the finest experience life has to offer.
It was just written funny. I can see the humor in it as well. It makes it seem like you went from not knowing how to snowboard to doing double blacks in a week.
Tips are on the money and perfectly in line with what you’d get on a private lesson. Would have been better had someone else filmed the riding though, and here’s why: Jump turns, although they feel safe, are something you want to get away from if you really want to ride 2X blacks like a boss. Learn to commit to each turn and ride them out to develop flow rather than constantly starting and stopping with jump turns. I couldn’t imagine trying to film myself using proper turns though. They are challenging enough without a selfie-stick in hand!
Would be good to explain that toe sliding the start isn’t good to do often because it creates ruts for people who want to take their riding to the next stage and do it with flow. It can also cause icy patches making it more difficult and potentially more dangerous for those after you. Best practice on a groomed track the movements then take it into the db. Showing the next step of how to enter the db with flow would be a good target for people to aim for as the ideal
Weight forward, swing the back around. I figured that out this last season on the slopes riding moguls. I did slip out a few times on my heal edge. I’ll have to try spending more time on my toe next season.
another tip, before going anywhere near the really steep stuff practice going toe to heel back and forth with your weight forward pivoting on that nose, I've seen way too many people try steep trails when they can't do that basic move and it is essential to being able to stay in control.
That’s true, if people don’t have the refined fore aft movement they will struggle and often over pivot. Or be too afraid to get their weight on the front leg
Nice Tips! Keep up the good work! Nice black run, no ice = no problems:)). If(ice){ DO NOT try to brake; Go along and pray for the best; } else { HAVE FUN; }
Also helps when there is snow 🤣 East coast try to do what he just said, but on ice. Learned the hard way at 200lb when I realized I was not gonna slowdown at all😅
@SuzN dude, ur whole channel is just full of comments and replies telling snowboarding channels they suck. Go hit the slopes urself and teach some people there if ur so raw.
The different levels of double blacks can very depending on the skill level of the park itself, the one in the video is a dub black cause of the rocks and small drops shown at the beginning
back hand for the control, for sure 😎.... good conditions can def make or break the day 🧊 ... 1 more tip, don't try it with a selfie stick on the first run 😅
Depends on the “bumps”. If they’re defined moguls, you need to plan your turns to follow the lines through the moguls, quickly alternating directions a lot. If it’s bumpy because it’s hard pack, you can still follow this advice but you need to keep your knees loose enough on the turns to absorb the terrain.
i can do these, its not hard, but i wonder how many snowboarders actually think they're fun. to me its just exhausting and the opposite of fun. i can imagine this uneven and steep terrain is much more enjoyable and easier to navigate on skis, but i hate it whenever my skier friends want to do these runs.
I would love some tips on how to stop snowboarding heel to heel. It's feels so unnatural to go heel to toe and very natural and comfortable going heel to heel. I'm scared that if I keep snowboarding like this, I'll never be able to correct i
I had this same problem but with my toe edge the best way to do I think is to just keep trying your toe edge the more you do it the more natural it will feel. Good luck!
I think the #1 mistake is when boarders go on runs that are too steep for their ability. They get too scared to commit to a turn (because it is scary) and they end up plowing straight down the hill on their heal edge thereby ruining the trail for others (I wish parents would instill this early with their learning children). If you do end up in this scenario and really can't make a turn then at a minimum you can zig zag/carve from one side of the trail to the other on the toe side edge (i.e. go regular to one side then switch to the other) You will have lots of control, won't get going too fast and you will leave some snow for others to enjoy. Then try a turn here and there when you feel it is safe.
You suggested being more on your toe side than on your heels, but unless you switch legs at some point, doesn't it end up being close to 50/50 toe/heel?
@SuzN correct me if I'm wrong..but he was saying on black trails only try to spend more time on your toes than on heels (unlike the usual goal of 50:50 times) because you do have more control on your toes when the trail is so vertical (black)..And spending more time on your toes is as possible as spending more time on your heels (which most people who are learning do, they spend more time on their heels).. If you want to spend more time on toes, that just means to have longer lines (diagonal or similar) on your toes and more brief shorter lines on heels.. totally doable
Dude, there is something off about the 360 cam. The distortion is so extreme it really make the perspective of the angles and steeps of the terrain just bizarre and really hard to digest. You should try using the 360 in tandem with a standard Go Pro for certain shots like this one, being on such an extreme angle. Just my two cents. Been watching your stuff for a long time, along with Bored Progression, Casey Wilax, TJ (Board Archive), Buckhouse, etc .....
Good tips to safely get down a steep run. But I feel like if you have to watch a video to get down EX terrain you probably should go down them yet. You will end up snow plowing the side of the mountain off.
The lean forward tip is really helpful. I always find myself leaning back. Also, leaning into each turn with your whole body is vital. Thank you for this vid 🙌
Always fun to see the selfie stick shadow, but not the selfie stick.
How does he edit it out??
@@noseymosey1556 GoPro max. He made a video about it th-cam.com/video/1Ftv-4br9e8/w-d-xo.html
Honestly that feature drives me insane. Like just leave it in. It looks so weird w/o it.
Shadow people lol
Same do
If you wanna get super radical and cray just straight line the whole double black diamond run....🤪😄😂.
Real piece of advice when boarding or life in general, know your limits. You have to have the skills to pay the bills.
For me the hardest part to get down was going from toes to heels but those steps you said really help a lot! Nice one bro
Awesome Matt!! Toes to heels can be a tough turn for sure!
Yoooo that tip about not leaning back so far is so clutch I shared it to a homie after watching the vid on the chairlift and he instantly got better my mans didn’t slip out once when he kept his weight square
Before I passed along that tip My friend was saying that it was because he hadn’t sharpened his edges in a while
When you and the ski guy at 5:49 turned side to side at the same time, it was straight money.
Dang, good eyes
1. Stay on toe edge when possible
2. Emphasize front foot if it's not deep pow
3. Align your body to the slope as much as possible
4. Try to feel your edge and make sure you are right on top of it
5. Prepare for bumps
6. Understand that you will fall a lot if it's essentially steep mogul run
7. Get more comfortable with speed
Great list 👍
basically do nose butters
How do you recover lol
@@Yasukechosen just slide down on your but or belly the whole thing haha
Refreshing myself on some snowboard tips for this upcoming season out in Tahoe. Can't wait to step up from the blacks to double blacks this season! Thanks Kevin for all your vids. You seriously helped me get to where I'm at with my riding.
That selfie stick shadow witchcraft freaked me out. 🤣
Why am I watching this I’ve gone snowboarding 2 times😂😂
You’ll get there!
LOL - I was thinking the same thing. I’ve been like 5 times now and I’m just getting comfortable with going down most green slopes and some blue 😀
I went down the black diamond my first day 😶 almost died 😂
@@kels7286 no way! All I could do on my first day was heel it all the way down on the green. After about 3 times down, my thighs were burning like crazy and I was catching cramps. I can’t imagine going down black diamond the first day. I’m being careful - I’m old 😀
@Chris Benson I remember when I first started - just like that. I can turn heel and toe side now. I started just to bond with my son (24) and it was really like torture. My body was getting beat up pretty bad - took two days to recoup. But now I’m really starting to have fun - can keep at it for hours with no pain.
Golden orca... looking forward to the review.
I’ve been riding the golden orca for a few weeks now and can absolutely say it is the best board I’ve ever ridden
I literally make those boards! It’s so wild to see them
You’ve helped me improve so much in just one year of watching you, thank you so much for the awesome vids.
5:00 This was really confidence inspiring actually. I'm used to ice coast double blacks, so I was too scared of hitting the powdery ones over West. Glad to hear it should be easier in theory 😅
I like this guy. He's so chill, seems like a decent dude. Thanks for all the vids man!
This was a perfectly timed video for me. I'm a new lifty and new to boarding/skiing as well, they are having me run a lift on the Double black side. These tips will get me down there safely, thank you.
Also I tell people that have no clue what they're doing to check out your channel. Hope it helps.
Did you draw the short straw? :)
Hope you don't get an icy day.. safety first. I would ride the chair down on bad days.
Great advice! Yeah I think with the heel edge - plenty of people have their bindings setup so their boots are over the edge, so if you're on a steep slope and lean back, high edge angle, you're quickly riding on your boots literally, aka spill city. On the toe edge your edge angle can be much higher, better balance - even if you have a wide enough deck to get a good heel edge without boots or bindings touching the snow, ice and crud snow make it even worse. Love the Whistler content, my favorite place to ride for sure! Hope you're all doing well out there!
Good point on the biding hitting the snow on the heels. A wider board can help riders with larger boots and bindings.
good video man, first time i tried a diamon i hit a tree, didnt give up on the sport, 2nd time going i got black diamond down and now in love with the sport!
I went on my first double black in jackson hole and slipped out for the longest 10 seconds of my life. It was so icy and there was barely any snow. I cried the rest of the way going down no joke.
Nice video and great tips. I'm an east coast AASI snowboard instructor. I would also like to add for anyone reading these comments for tips to try retracting or unweighting the board by flexing your ankles, knees, and hips right when you release each edge and pivot to the new edge. This helps change edges quickly with a lot of balance. Once on the new edge slowly extend your ankles, knees, and hips to control that edge and check speed. We call the turns in this video "leapers" because you rise up and hop at edge changes. That's a good technique too, but may not be the best for all steeps. Hope this helps some of you out there!
Hey it would make my day if you responed to this. I have been watching you for three years and i love your content. I did my first double a few days ago. Much love.
Ethan! That’s awesome brother! Thanks for checking out the vids the past few years!! Hopefully see ya on the mountain one day!
That run looks so fun!
I like actually carving and going fast. Iono why people like this slow mogul stuff.
Perfect timing! About to try some Diamond runs at Mammoth tomorrow. Thanks!
Tried my first double black diamond last year. I did another one yesterday. I struggle so much with that toe edge turn that I often just end up horse shoeing back and forth on my heal edge at decent speeds. Let me tell ya, I need to get that toe edge turn down because by the end my quads are on fire XD
Thanks Kevin! These kind of videos are THE MOST useful of all that you guys make.
Won’t be on a double black but this will help me on blues for sure 🥲
another tip is to take long winded S turns, helps slow everything down and not pick up speed
The question that comes to mind for me is if it's more fun to shuffle down a double black or ride quickly down a blue or green run?
Imo it's most fun to ride the level that you can do well. If you can run blues super well and fly down them but you're slow when going down blacks then blues are more fun. Blacks will make you better though so its important to do both. Eventually you will be as comfortable on blacks as you were on blues and then progress that onto double blacks
Stay golden orca boy.
Your doing a great job, thank you for the helpful information and great content!
Thanks Carson!
Thank you for taking time out of your day to address this Kev, is this a hint at a return to address the updates for the beginner playlist?
Can you show this in not so prefect conditions? Like super hardpack for example.
great video going to attempt my first double soon at blackcomb!!
Amazing!
We have some gnarly double-blacks here on Hood.
Yes you do that shit was crazy
Looks like you bought the Golden Orca, you have quite the quiver these days 🙌🏼
I just borrowed it from a snowboard shop in Whistler called the Circle.
this feels like a beginners guide. when ppl that should be riding double black should know all this stuff already.
I’m probably gonna try my first double black this Friday, thanks for the tips!
Moral of the story; Black Diamond runs are no fun on a Snowboard....unless powder is present.
You really need quality snow for steep terrain on a snowboard. That said, first lines on deep powder on a double black may be the finest experience life has to offer.
Unless you love the speed!
@@shawnyg16 And the pain!
You normally don’t even get that much speed because your constantly turning if it’s that steep and there’s no powder
Black diamonds are great on snowboard what are u talkin about
Another great video on the orca gold 😲😲😲
"With a few tips I think you can do these runs with ease and comfortably"
Me, who has snowboarded once in my life: *nods enthusiastically*
Thanks, great video. To the point tutorial and stuff that will be easy to remember on the hill. Looking forward to trying it out 🤙🏻
Cool to watch your videos man keep up the good work brother an hi from New Zealand
What size board do you use?
Great information, thank you!
I'm making every mistake you mentioned. I'm working on riding stacked and holding my jacket. :)
Great video Kevin.
great comment cookie cracker
@@TheJc16. great complement Jc 16
Now I'm ready for heli skiing! :D
golden orca babyyyy
I went from not knowing how to Snowboard to NOW being able to go on double diamonds ALL thanks to Kevin's TIPS
LMAO
@@amyrohr671 whats so funny 🤨
It was just written funny. I can see the humor in it as well. It makes it seem like you went from not knowing how to snowboard to doing double blacks in a week.
I went with the 157 Golden Orca with Falcors. Working nicely in Pow.
Good choice!
Tips are on the money and perfectly in line with what you’d get on a private lesson. Would have been better had someone else filmed the riding though, and here’s why: Jump turns, although they feel safe, are something you want to get away from if you really want to ride 2X blacks like a boss. Learn to commit to each turn and ride them out to develop flow rather than constantly starting and stopping with jump turns. I couldn’t imagine trying to film myself using proper turns though. They are challenging enough without a selfie-stick in hand!
Would be good to explain that toe sliding the start isn’t good to do often because it creates ruts for people who want to take their riding to the next stage and do it with flow. It can also cause icy patches making it more difficult and potentially more dangerous for those after you. Best practice on a groomed track the movements then take it into the db.
Showing the next step of how to enter the db with flow would be a good target for people to aim for as the ideal
Why am I watching this at 2AM if I live in Hawaii.
Weight forward, swing the back around. I figured that out this last season on the slopes riding moguls. I did slip out a few times on my heal edge. I’ll have to try spending more time on my toe next season.
another tip, before going anywhere near the really steep stuff practice going toe to heel back and forth with your weight forward pivoting on that nose, I've seen way too many people try steep trails when they can't do that basic move and it is essential to being able to stay in control.
That’s true, if people don’t have the refined fore aft movement they will struggle and often over pivot. Or be too afraid to get their weight on the front leg
Honestly didn't know that...I need to pick up that skill. Like cruising around you don't know where you will end up.
Nice Tips! Keep up the good work!
Nice black run, no ice = no problems:)).
If(ice){
DO NOT try to brake;
Go along and pray for the best;
} else {
HAVE FUN;
}
lmao tysm my coach always makes me do these steep runs and I just get terrified and heel it the whole way
Golden orca is super cool board
What should we do to allow us go in the direction of the tip of the board instead of sliding down towards the fall line?
Awesome video! What’s your camera setup for this one? GoPro max? If so are you rocking the GoPro pole too?
Also helps when there is snow 🤣 East coast try to do what he just said, but on ice. Learned the hard way at 200lb when I realized I was not gonna slowdown at all😅
Guilty of leaning back while trying to turn through steep moguls. Ends up in a big ol butter and me washing out
I had a bail yesterday not full committing to my turn.
@SuzN dude, ur whole channel is just full of comments and replies telling snowboarding channels they suck. Go hit the slopes urself and teach some people there if ur so raw.
Nice tips!
Thanks for the vid. Next time I'm getting out there, I'm betting on black like Passenger 57. Time to make it happen.
The different levels of double blacks can very depending on the skill level of the park itself, the one in the video is a dub black cause of the rocks and small drops shown at the beginning
Looks like this was filmed last Wednesday. Pretty good bluebird conditions that day on Whistler and Blackcomb.
Looks hella steep. Longer boars harder to flip turn like that?
back hand for the control, for sure 😎.... good conditions can def make or break the day 🧊 ... 1 more tip, don't try it with a selfie stick on the first run 😅
my insides start tingling when i get the slightest glance of this nightmare cliff
Oh man that's steep
You’re definitely right about the conditions. It’s not fun navigating through an iced up mogul field.
Solid tips as always!
Oh look at you with the golden orca....
Thanks for this! Great advice☺️
How much forward lean do you set in the high backs on terrain like that?
Can you do one of these when there’s bumps? I’m in telluride and so many of the steeps also have bumps.
Depends on the “bumps”. If they’re defined moguls, you need to plan your turns to follow the lines through the moguls, quickly alternating directions a lot. If it’s bumpy because it’s hard pack, you can still follow this advice but you need to keep your knees loose enough on the turns to absorb the terrain.
My first double black I went in on my heels and slid a quarter down the run on my heels because I was too out of control to turn because it was icy
same i feel like i have more control on my heel edge
i can do these, its not hard, but i wonder how many snowboarders actually think they're fun. to me its just exhausting and the opposite of fun. i can imagine this uneven and steep terrain is much more enjoyable and easier to navigate on skis, but i hate it whenever my skier friends want to do these runs.
I would love some tips on how to stop snowboarding heel to heel. It's feels so unnatural to go heel to toe and very natural and comfortable going heel to heel. I'm scared that if I keep snowboarding like this, I'll never be able to correct i
I had this same problem but with my toe edge the best way to do I think is to just keep trying your toe edge the more you do it the more natural it will feel. Good luck!
Check out some of the toe turn and toe sliding videos in the beginner playlist. Will help a lot!
I think the #1 mistake is when boarders go on runs that are too steep for their ability. They get too scared to commit to a turn (because it is scary) and they end up plowing straight down the hill on their heal edge thereby ruining the trail for others (I wish parents would instill this early with their learning children). If you do end up in this scenario and really can't make a turn then at a minimum you can zig zag/carve from one side of the trail to the other on the toe side edge (i.e. go regular to one side then switch to the other) You will have lots of control, won't get going too fast and you will leave some snow for others to enjoy. Then try a turn here and there when you feel it is safe.
Gotta remember though a lot of times it's impossible to know just how hard it is until you get to the steep part.
Side question, how are you removing metal from your selfie showing up
Very helpful!
Thanks Sam!
You suggested being more on your toe side than on your heels, but unless you switch legs at some point, doesn't it end up being close to 50/50 toe/heel?
@SuzN correct me if I'm wrong..but he was saying on black trails only try to spend more time on your toes than on heels (unlike the usual goal of 50:50 times) because you do have more control on your toes when the trail is so vertical (black)..And spending more time on your toes is as possible as spending more time on your heels (which most people who are learning do, they spend more time on their heels)..
If you want to spend more time on toes, that just means to have longer lines (diagonal or similar) on your toes and more brief shorter lines on heels.. totally doable
Ron.. just do longer diagonal lines on your toes when on black trails..then it won't be 50:50
what is the filming set up? what kind of cam the angles are sweet!
Are u using torsional twist to initiate the turn
Lol what happens if you just go straight down without turning?
Dude that is not called “snowboarding a steep line” its more like just “decending a steep line with a snowboard”
You beat me to it lol
You make a tutorial then 😂
Ride the Couloir Extreme next! Antti Autti is a great inspiration!
Hey kev! What do you record your audio on? Sounds crisp! 👌
nice advice
Thanks John!
Hey Kevin how do you ride in icy conditions
Dude, there is something off about the 360 cam. The distortion is so extreme it really make the perspective of the angles and steeps of the terrain just bizarre and really hard to digest. You should try using the 360 in tandem with a standard Go Pro for certain shots like this one, being on such an extreme angle. Just my two cents. Been watching your stuff for a long time, along with Bored Progression, Casey Wilax, TJ (Board Archive), Buckhouse, etc .....
Good tips to safely get down a steep run. But I feel like if you have to watch a video to get down EX terrain you probably should go down them yet. You will end up snow plowing the side of the mountain off.
What is the action camera you're shooting with?
noticed much difference with golden orca and normal?
are you able to run this with step on?
Thank you.
Beautiful
Great video as always! Did you try the sims distortion?
Not yet. Will look out for that one!
How do you like the golden orca? Mine is in the mail
Review coming soon!
The cameraman is on Chanel’s mode
I don’t get it
@@SnowboardProCamp Probably referring to how you eliminated the gopro stick from the vid, very clever. Through me off as well for a sec.
well said!