How to become the most hated F1 Team
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- The takeover of Sauber F1 Team by Stake has caused quite the stir. Sauber have been racing in Formula 1 since 1993 but has history in motorsport dating back to the 1970's. Sauber have been a staple in F1 for many years and even managed to win a Grand Prix thanks to Robert Kubica in 2008. But why is this takeover so controversial? And why do I think they could be the most HATED team in 2024? Enjoy!
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Honestly I think everyone just wanted Sauber
And they wanted money…
Then again everybody doesn't have to manage the team's finances.
@@raul-yd3ob They needed money and who doesn't. And let's be honest, everybody will be calling them Sauber anyway. ;-)
@@Thoxxxiktbh I don’t think they needed money since they were getting sold, I guess sauber might as well make a bit of cash before becoming Audi
@@inahole2678 maybe they aren't getting any of the Audi money yet? And without Alfa Romeo money or any big sponsors it is understandable that they needed something.
I reckon this is a Plan B move for Sauber, in case Audi get cold feet and pull out before 2026. They need cash right here, right now and so the Ribeye Company took advantage.
Makes sense tbh
Hello there Law fancy seeing you here 🙂
Our Ladder man!
Can Audi pull out? I thought they already signed the contract. As exTwitter showed us, even the richest are obliged to follow what they sign on
@@DawidSikorasort of why I don't understand how teams can drop drivers, unless their contracts have cancellation clauses that teams can exercise
Idk why a gambling sponsor for a racing series whose most famous and infamous races are held in Monaco and Las Vegas is that shocking...
Right? Like how people get upset at the oil sponsors xD People love to virtue signal. "gambling bad, oil bad", even though they're watching a sport mostly propped up by those two things. If any of these people actually cared and weren't just looking for good boy points, they'd stop watching F1 and never talk about it ever again. They won't though, because they don't actually care. They just want to be perceived as good people without putting any effort in.
@@CharlesFreckThis has such "yet you live in a society" vibes. There's something morally dubious involved in almost everyhting you do in life, best you can do is avoid the worst stuff, be aware of it and try to do what little you can to change things. You're not supposed to stop enjoying every movie that has the slightest issues with the portrayal of women or whatever, people just need to be aware of where we can do better so things can actually improve at some point.
Unless you're happy living off grid in the woods for the rest of your life and leaving the world to it's fate, of course.
Can I just say, tobacco and alcohol companies have produced some of the most well-known and recognizable liveries in racing history.
We want the Sauber name back :(
EDIT: honestly Sauber Audi sounds like a nice name
Or even Audi Sauber like in the BMW days.
@@dominicbarden4436 true
In this mean time they could have gone with Sauber Kick, also very neat.
@@il-ma.le. that would’ve been nice
I will call it Sauber Audi
Let us all begrudgingly welcome stake as the lastest in a long line of sponsors everyone hates along the likes of rich energy and uralkali, we hope your stay is as short as can be
But tobbacco products are cool? Make it make sense
@@xgus1717 where did I praise tobacco here
I'm not going to be able to help myself losing it when crofty and brundle go "And here comes the Stake of Valtteri Bottas!"
Better than "Timo Glock riding the Virgin"
He's neck-to-neck with the Racing Bulls of Daniel Ricciardo! 😅
thankfully he has just been calling it kick-sauber
@@rishinarang9966 I do get a kick out of that too, but the stakes are so low this season for the team.
@@MDE_never_dies the use of puns is immaculate.
In 3 years time the Premier League won't allow gambling sponsorships on matchday players shirts... maybe F1 could take a similar approach. Stake sponsors Everton btw.
It's just a disappointing end to any team's identity. Even without the whole issue involving Stake, it feels wrong to not have the actual owners of the team in the team name. Did we miss a memo that Stake bought out or got majority share of Sauber somewhere? Even as a new fan this isn't right that you just throw out a name like Sauber then put in the name of the sponsor there. It's like if Mercedes decided to rename their team into Petronas Formula 1 Team or if Red Bull turns into Oracle Formula 1 Team. Just the worst way you can retire a big name in the sport is to replace it with a name that doesn't reflect the team's identity.
Lmao... they have said there will be no Sauber in the name for a long time apparently... The teams identity will always change and nothing lasts forerver...
No one in the paddock that actually works with this could or should ever make a decision for a team to keep an ''identity'' look for outside viewers, that would be stupid xD And that would mean the team would definetly fail...
And that's just how it feels for you, identity in a team is just a part of our perception as fans, a team needs real things to function, not an empty name that holds them back for nothing...
If the former Alfa-romeo Sauber kept the Sauber name just for identity, they would have lost all race pedigry, they would not have an identity anymore as Sauber anyway. Let Sauber F1 rest where it deserves to be... do you seriously believe it is sad that a name like Sauber doesn't become detrimental to itself?
A team that makes a stupid decision like that would compromise they pace on track, therefore, have 0 pedigree or propper racing identity. That's why Sauber F1 is gone and could never happen again.
@@Pikktryne And you just missed the entire point. Sauber are still the ones that own the team whether you like it or not, yet they're not the ones in the name. It's called a TEAM name for a reason, and they decide it's a good idea to not have the actual owner's name and instead put in the name of a gambling company. So who actually owns the team? Sauber or Stake?
@@dustinabigan2776 no... That's what i meant... It's just a name change and ignoring that fact when it's the same team is well.. what i said earlier. :)
Thank you for ubderlining my point exactly! :D
@@Pikktryne
Last time I checked the name of any entity is part of who they are. It's not just some bunch of words that gets tossed around like it doesn't mean anything.
Would you want to call Haas as "Rich Energy Haas F1 Team" despite the controvery around that brand? If the name is just a name, then there should be no problem still calling them that, after all it's just the same team...right? Or maybe that team name with Uralkali is better? Or how about calling Mercedes as "Brawn GP"? Or would you want the aforementioned names of calling Red Bull as "Oracle F1 Team" or Mercedes as "Petronas F1 Team"?
You insist that it's just a name change and that there's no big deal about the name. So I guess your name doesn't matter to you as well and people can instead call you whatever name they wish?
@@dustinabigan2776 Yeah... An F1 team name change is the same as me changing my name...and yes if i was called something else... I would obviously have the same identity wtf xD
And all i am saying is the most important part of an F1 teams identity is how they work to make pace on track... Money is needed for that. And it would cost them alot tm have the Sauber name. Let it rest as an F1 legend and a great team as it was :)
That's all i am saying. Pace on track and results reflects who the team are and how they are doing.
In F1, to succeed you have to be ruthless, you can't cling to stuff like that. Their identity needs to be, everything for the team and everyone in it. Not everyrhing for a name ;)
That's the actual game. This is sports, not some silly carneval stuff.
I think it’s that people will miss Sauber and not necessarily that they dislike the morality of the sponsors since all sorts of human right violating countries, companies and big oil money is always set to be part of f1 but that just provides the cash for good racing that we do like so ig that’s just how f1 works. ( a gp is very expensive to host )
"Good Racing"
@@supertornadogun1690 good point but good racing still exists and wouldn’t be possible without bad racing
Force india with Fisichella getting a pole in Spa 2009 and Sergio Perez's Sauber allmost overtaking Alonso's Ferrari in 2012 Malaysian gp for the p1...
Or Leclerc doing some quali magic in the sauber.
Every time one of those mid field teams succeeded, it felt better than any of Red Bull/Mercedes domination we've witnessed in the past decade or so.
The only thing I hate about Sauber is how they just dumped Kobayashi at the end of 2012 in favour for Gutierrez' money. Didn't work out to well I guess. Karma
Kobayashi was a fun driver to watch
Hulk and Kamui would’ve easily put them further up in the standings and set themselves up for a better future , 2014 was disgraceful
They needed the money. It doesn’t grow on trees. Especially the 2010 to 2015 era was full of shitty money drivers because sponsors didn’t have deep pockets
If I hadn't looked any of this up myself. I would have absolutely no idea what you were referencing. I mean, your "beat around the bush" must be level 100 because I was so lost trying to figure out what you were even getting at with this video.
I totally agree
This dude just has his knickers in a knot because he doesn't like gambling companies it seems. Thinks he's the gatekeeper of who can and should be able to sponsor sports he likes...
"Team gamba" should have been their new name given they're sponsored by both stake and kick
It’s the same company 😂
“A little bit of a Kick in the face”😉
This name change is the embodiment of “My disappoint is immeasurable and my day is ruined”.
I just realized, Stake F1 will have Kick's green as the primary colour in the livery
Mclaren have Monster Energy as sponsors... sooo green its already picked
Mclaren have Monster Energy as sponsors... sooo green its already picked
In me heart it always would be Sauber. ❤🇨🇭
I am Big fan of Sauber since early 2000s and doesn t change... even if they have new Title sponsor
( Red Bull , Petronas , BMW , Alfa Romeo.... )
How long do we need to be hated:
2014 Merc: We need one race
2021 Red Bull: We need till the season final
2024 Sauber or whatever you call: we only need one Insta post
Sauber is also responsible for the C9 and C11. So i think they are pretty iconic
The thing is with controversial sponsors, what about all those tobacco companies that we now idolize as being contributors to some of the most famous and widely adored F1 cars ever? Tabacco like gambling, can drive a person into bad physical and financial health. As fans, we just need to keep calling them Sauber and newer fans will pick up on that instead. I personally wish they just stuck with "Stake Sauber F1 Team".
On that point, I find it interesting how advertising of tobacco and other negative things will sometimes get negative reaction more than smoking does.
To me if you have a problem with Marlboro advertisement on a Ferrari you should also have a problem with someone smoking in general.
How about Sauber F1 Team Kick Stake? 👀
I guess the Sauber name disappearing was inevitable, but it’s criminal that it’s another branding exercise that has robbed the fans.
It’s a real shame the Sauber name has gone but let’s remember that it hasn’t officially been used for the last few seasons. Peter Sauber sold his shares in the team back in 2016 and the family have had no involvement in recent seasons, apart from attending the odd GP.
We were lucky BMW kept the Sauber name alive in 2006 and we were even more fortunate that Peter was able to buy the team back in 2009. The Sauber name could have disappeared along time ago.
Everybody will still call them sauber
Stake own kick and thoose who are fan twitch and shit on kick about gambling, Twitch also sponsored by a gambling site called Draftking so no moral high ground to be found here
I think they are just pull out the negative branding here . In last moment they will swap it with their shell company .
how many of you were giving sh*t about what Sauber is doing , lately all channels are making thing about them
Why do you think being sponsored by an online casino/sports betting company is controversial, gambling is not evil by design, it should not be barred from sponsorship deals just because certain individuals can become addicted to it. Do you think Estrella, Heineken, Peroni, Red Bull and cigarette companies advertising vapes are bad and controversial companies for being in F1 just because certain people can become addicted to said brands? Do you think all potentially addictive products should not be advertised in sports or on tv just because a few spectators might become an alcoholic or a penny-less gambler one day? What is with cancel culture these days, "Ooh Sauber bad because casino bad"
I haven’t been around for a minute, what did these fuckers do now 💀
So Stake is the title sponsor for Sauber. So it's no longer called Sauber or Kick
Its an online gambling website. Ruins as many lives as alcohol but funny there's no problem there 😂😂😂😂😂😂
F1 team not sponsored by shady company or crypto scams (impossible)
@@spieler440 a f1 team allowing a shady company to sponsor them, yep just an average day 💀
It's also sponsored by a streaming site where not the... best people on earth to got stream.
I was hoping they’d go back to calling it Sauber but it isn’t much of a surprise after being sponsored by Alfa Romeo for the past few years. Sauber has a lot of history in F1 and motorsport in general even if they weren’t always that successful. I also don’t expect Audi to retain the Sauber name like BMW Sauber did back in the day.
Audi also has racing pedigree. They've been involved in the racing world for decades.
Jordan was a "small team," and at the time, yes, everyone loved them, unlike Haas now, but just like Sauber with a controversial sponsor now, Jordan's biggest sponsor was cancer sticks
Sauber makes great vacuum cleaner
Wow, you had a Stake ad when I was watching this episode. Not kidding. I'm in the US so maybe that's why. Still really freaking weird and creepy lol
As someone who doesn't like gambling, never has and (hopefully) never will, I don't have a problem with Stake becoming the title sponsor (which they already were alongside Alfa Romeo). Would have preferred KICK to be the full-time sponsor, but in a sport where Saudi Aramco of all companies is the main sponsor of another team, scummy sponsors have been a constant since sponsorship was first allowed in '68 and crypto and gambling sponsor pretty much every team nowadays (including FTX sponsoring Mercedes of all teams until the SBF scandal) I just can't go the moral route to Sauber.
Also, I can see people who don't like this because of Sauber not being the full-blown official name (which is what I've seen from most people), but on the other hand that name hasn't been on the team since Leclerc was a rookie driving for them; in fact, this will be the first time since that year (2018) that the chassis will receive the Sauber name in some way (even if it's shared with KICK).
lol dude stake its the owner of KICK lol
@@ayoubrecipes926 You missed the point.
The way that I got drake announcing the stake name as an ad as I clicked on this video is horrendous
Happy New Year mate hopefully you will visit your favourite f1 circuit just as i did last summer and in 2022
which is your favorite?
Monaco i visited the track last summer i like Hockenheim but never went there. I like Monaco for historic reasons and it being crown jewel in f1.
i have a feeling that Stake is gonna be the next FTX...
F1 team not sponsored by shady company or crypto scams (impossible)!
Or Oil giants
I wouldn’t miss the name Sauber that much if they actually got a decent new name (or when they become Audi)
Alfa Sauber has just been one of teams I forgot they showed up last year so I never noticed this change till now
Even if they were “Stake Sauber” it would be better.
Wait, I'm pretty sure it's still "Stake F1 Team Kick *Sauber*"? Sauber is still in the name. The factory still has "Sauber Motorsport" written over the door with a Sauber logo next to it. I remember when the team became Alfa Romeo they still kept Sauber as part of the official name, whereas Alfa Romeo was just the shorthand. I'm pretty sure it's exactly the same this time around. Correct me if I'm wrong, it just seems we have very different understandings of the situation right now.
the official team name doesn't have the Sauber name, just "Stake F1 Team" and back in the Alfa Days it was just "Alfa Romeo *another sponsor* Team" without sauber as well
Yeah they backpedaled on that initial name… they changed it to Stake F1 team or something..
@@Sponge1310 what the hell? I remember they got backlash for the original name but it was everything else than Sauber that was the problem. This is worse!
@@magicvibrations5180i mean sauber not being there is better than "kick sauber" which they took too literally
Even if it was Stake Sauber F1 team, people would have been a lot happier
How about Sauber F1 Team Kick Stake? 👀
However this story goes, it's amazing that this rebranding of Sauber was approved and signed off by somebody. You can argue that its purely business and if there's money available you should snatch it but Audi will have a hell of a job turning the identity of this team around.
worst part is that a good portion of fans are new because of DTS and wont even remember Sauber in a few years. meaning a good good portion of fans wont remember them, and that's sad to me.
Also, i feel like sauber and audi are missing a huge opprotunity to have a lambo team; a la renaut + alpine
The name of the Chassis is "Kick Sauber". So Sauber will appearing on the on-screen graphics.
I would say a great deal of the appreciation for these underdog teams is the do represent a hope to that even some upstart might have the chance to have a shot at the likes of the monoliths of Ferrari, Mercedes, and such. Another thing that is not good for the optics of Filet F1 team is most everyone can see that they only made this deal to make money, and the second they feel they are not making enough money they are either going to irreparable change the team or pull out and potentially destroy the livelihood of hundreds of people. Additionally, sponsors like this immediately call in to question the criteria that F1 uses to determine who will bring benefits to the overall brand quality of F1 while actions like this are allowed and meanwhile Andretti is still getting the short end of the stick. It really makes you think.
its so confusing since stake cant be used on half of the calendar and some broadcasters like the bbc for example cant call them stake due to laws, so what are we calling them for half the year and what are broadcasters calling them? 🤣🤣
They'll go with Sauber most likely.
I think there's been a bit of a misunderstanding here. Back in the 80's, there was a team called "Marlboro Team Texaco". But nobody called it that. Everyone knew it to be McLaren.
If you look at the FIA Entry list for 2024, you will see a column for Team Name, a column for Chassis Name, and a column for Engine Name. The team name in this case is Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber. But it's not the team name that appears on the on-screen graphics. It's the Chassis Name that they show on screen. And the Chassis is called Kick Sauber.
The Race have already declared that they will call the team Sauber.
Just say the name!! Stop with the censoring of STAKE! It’s a brand! Now yes the Sauber name not on the grid is sad, but it’s like everyone is treating this as if they are putting a slur or the word “Fuck” on the car and yall are getting triggered. We don’t even know, maybe this could be a shot in the arm to Sauber that’ll make them compete for points more often. Or it could hurt them. We won’t know till day 1, fire up 1 at testing. So I’d say we should hold off judgement till testing and the car release.
i got the ad for the team before the video😭
Ahh the duality of F1 fans, they're cool with Marlboro & West but how dare Stake become a title sponsor. If betting is the issue then people should also have an issue with Sky, as they keep promoting their sky betting ads during the broadcast (fyi I have issues with all sponsors of such kind but I'm just surprised how this one became a big talking point whereas the other ones are ignored)
Exactly what i was thinking lol
I would rather have Boeing or Lockheed Martin sponsor them.
Sauber does what it always has done. Selling the naming rights. It is the easyest way to get money.
I blame Sauber management for this move. All these years competition they know how the Formula 1 advertisement works; they know that they sold their team's name to the shady business. But in the eye of the fans, it different, it is very disrespectful to the Sauber name.
I feel like this is an old man yelling at clouds moment here. Stake isn't the first "controversial" title sponsor in Formula 1 when cars were running tobacco company brands for decades and various other products that could/might cause negative health effects in people.
But I guess Australia REALLY has a massive gambling problem for you to have your panties in a twist over a sponsor that would be at home in the US.
The thing is though, Schumacher's Ferrari wasn't called Marlboro f1 car, Häkkinen's McLaren wasn't called West f1 car and the Williams cars from the 90's were not called Camel or Rothmans f1 cars. However, it's not Sauber anymore, it's just Stake. I mean, literally just that, no Sauber in the name whatsoever.
Hear me out as much as you may dislike the sirloin team, if they enable Sauber to run properly I have no issues however.
HAAS.
Stake is a big sponsor that gives a small team a lot of money and stake is know and used a lot in the US which could help gain support in the new market. To the people comparing a sports gambling site to uralkali is also ridiculous not even in the same stratosphere. Mazepin didn’t deserve the seat and the owner was close to Putin whom was inciting violence and the other has sports gambling
Stake is a very dodgy corrupt company.
@@Kyle-RussellAs is most of the sponsors in F1 what else is new.
Some of the more iconic cars in F1 history were sponsored by those smoke sticks know as cigarettes…and those will kill you
All the best to everyone
Gambling adds are everywhere in Aus. Sportsbet, ladbrokes, TAB the list is never ending. Who cares who sponsors who. Teams need the money and people need to be paid. Smoking, alcohol and gambling ruins life’s. It’s a personal choice. People are so sensitive these days.
Here i was hoping for Andretti Sauber with the Cadillac branding...oh well
Well, if Binance is already there, what one more shady gambling site could add?
i became an alfa fan in 2019 and 2022 was the peak also seeing my fav driver (bottas) being happy but now this is just a pile of shit
Personally, I don't like betting companies being allowed to sponsor F1, it's just morally wrong.
Allowing one to own a team is frankly taking the piss.
On the flip side though, what would you say to people that would argue it was morally wrong when tobacco companies were allowed to sponsor F1 teams? Because I've seen some people make that argument in the comments. Not that I really cared about that myself because at least with tobacco sponsors we got some gorgeous liveries back in the day!
@@HammerHeart3229 yes I am against that too, alcohol, tobacco & gambling. All 3 destroy lives & should not be pushed onto to the young ones. If they wish to do those those things when they are old enough then that is their choice but it should not be shoved in their faces especially when they are underage.
In regards to the liveries, yes there was some cool ones but that is not justification to allow it.
@@Troy-McLore That's totally fair. I respect your principled stance on the issue! Like I say fine with with alcohol, tobacco and gambling sponsors as long as they're above board and not done with dodgy companies (Like Rich Energy and FTX). I admit it's completely anecdotal but advertising rarely works on me. Watching F1 as a kid/young teen, I never felt the craving for a Marlboro, Benson & Hedges or a Lucky Strike cig because Ferrari, Jordan & BAR were sponsored by them. I just thought the cars looked cool. Especially the Jordans! 😍I would say parenting comes into it too though. Parents should explain the dangers of drinking, gambling & smoking and make sure their kids don't do it until legally they can do those activities. After that like you say, it's their choices to make.
@@HammerHeart3229 the Marlboro advertising almost worked on me. I grew up as a huge Ferrari fan and when I started smoking I bought some Marlboros, the only reason I didn't stick with them as my brand is because of how damn expensive they are.
But you are right on the parenting side. Just because minors watch something doesn't mean we shouldn't allow things they can't partake in to be advertised, let the parents take the responsibility of keeping them away from it. And this is just opinion, but I fail to see how a teenager starts smoking because of how damn cool the McLarens and Ferraris looked and not because their friends get them into it.
from an energy drink, to fashion, now gambling
I'd rather see Kick over Stake, but I really don't see it as a big deal. Hopefully, when Audi comes in, they can clean the team up and move up the field. Audi Sauber, maybe?
This aged well didn't it...
Once again, Lautence Stroll actually allowed this floodgate to remain opened
How hard would it have been for Stake to just keep the Sauber name until Audi takes over? I don't think that's too much to ask for. Doing it this way just feels like a very unceremonious way for the Sauber name to exit F1.
Imagine thinking a gambling company gives a singular fuck about tradition. They put the money in, they want the name all to themselves.
@@cuy50 Oh don't get me twisted, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Stake don't give a toss about tradition but my point still stands... Would it have killed them to at least keep the Sauber name?
I hope they’ll go by something like “Audi Sauber” or something when Audi enters F1 :)
Oh thank Jobe... Red Bull is no longer the most hated team. :P
But seriously, hating a team (in and of itself ridiculous) for its name... madness!!
"F1 more popular than ever" ... wait.... I am told for at least two years now that Max winning everything made it LESS popular... what is it?
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05/01/2024 15:59 At My Local Time.
Do it like Williams.... keep the name for historical purposes because sponsors come and go☝️☝️☝️
I googled today what was stake (as I do with many sponsors on cars, just wondering what it is since I am Dutch and some brands are not here and I have no clue what they are, Just like huski chocolate, Mission winnow, ineos, Haas.) I find it funny that my first google search was like nope its banned in the netherlands. I find it somewhat weird that stuff like this is allowed. how can you be a team brand name and then its banned for a lot of races because of the countries... but then again we had sigarette brands and cars in for like the longest time ever and smoking is obviously bad and it got banned. idk why cant F1 have ''normal'' sponsors instead of like cryptos, oil companies and gambling etc etc etc. Its sad that everything revolves around money...
Because normal companies don't have money to spare on silly little F1 teams. F1 does not provide any actual marketing benefit. No one's sales are positively effected because they spend $100 million on F1. It's purely a pride and excess of wealth sport. F1 has always been about the wealthy showing off how much money they can waste. Everything revolves around money because without it, F1 wouldn't exist. It contributes nothing. It is purely entertainment for the sake of entertainment, and those crypto, oil companies, and gambling are the only reason you get to enjoy the sport at all.
@@CharlesFreck so you are saying enormous companies like Phillip Morris, Petronas, Oracle etc are just like nah we are paying millions and millions and it is not because of marketing, just for fun? They don't have really skilled marketing people and analyze whether it is increasing sales?
You don't think a lot of people who grew up in the Schumacher days who became fans of Ferrari later decided to go for Marlboros when they started smoking? Or more recently, Mercedes fans specifically buying Monster over Red Bull and other way round?
I don't think it shouldn't be allowed just because some countries don't allow it, as long as they then don't have their branding on the cars in those countries. They know they are losing a bit of exposure and still decide to be involved.
But I also don't think advertising of things like cigarettes and so on should be banned, if it is legal in a country I don't see why. I mean, not like directly to kids but as a sports sponsor etc I don't see the problem just because it is bad for you.
It takes the GDP of small countries to run an F1 team, it's always going to cost money to do it.
@@DeathBlocksinternational law literally bans cigarette advertising pretty much everywhere. The teams would be breaking the law if they signed a tobacco sponsor.
They should have just combined the 2 names. Sauber Audi. We could call it Saudi. It works on so many levels.
Where the laws dont allow it, just change the logo from "stake" to "Drake" apparenty they pay him millions too
If they really want to change the name that bad, just revive Brabham, Tyrell or Ligier.
The standards are becoming so low, Andretti would increase the legitimacy of the entire grid.
They kicked Sauber out 😭
How about Sauber F1 Team Kick Stake? 👀
I will not be calling the team stake. Valterri and Zhou drive for Sauber 🤷♂️
so in races where they can't race the "Stake F1 Team" name, is it Kick F1 or Sauber?
they'll be kick f1 team
@@Lappali boooooo
I forsee a lot of "Kick the baby" memes
@@BDSFormula1 i'm especially mad about this, because i'm a bottas fan and i need to support this absolute joke of a team.
if they don't re-sign bottas for next year, i hope they go bust honestly
I don't think we'll see any team name changes in the graphs on TV. As for the car itself no idea but they had the Stake/Kick logos present in the Middle East races at least.
Their IG code thing is UNLEASHED
3:15 i was prepared to be rickrolled
successive 10th place finishes means sauber name is no longer profitable anymore
I prefer Sauber to give way to Audi, not Stake and Kick, since Stake is a company that is all about being degenerates, and Kick is a platform full of horrendous people
So we always call it Sauber on this channel ❤
dude stake name right now bigger than sauber :D
Starting the year on a GREAT HIGH….
@Perspective: You know Stake and Kick are the same companies that sponsor Everton football club (Stake is Everton's main shirt sponsor and Kick is Everton's sleeve sponsor). Guess these companies like sponsoring teams near the bottom of competitions.
won't be surprised if everton badge was plastered in its cars like sauber and caterham in the past
@@yudhabagaskara98 they would need Everton's permission for that and Sauber used to be sponsored by Chelsea
I’m all for the team name, you’re forgetting that sports gambling is a massive massive industry in Canada and the USA, F1’s target market right now. I’m all for using this sponsorship to get more eyes and therefore more money into the sport, growing it for future generations
Ummm so you don't see the big conflicting elephant in the room?
Sports betting company owns and now controls a team in a sport.
Let that sink in.
@@asymsolutions and? Full works teams supply their competition their engines, talk about conflict of interest. Susie Wolff and Toto Wolff? Lance Stroll and Lawrence Stroll? Net Zero and Fuel efficiency pushes but the F1 calendar zig zags across the world? We race as one but the Arab countries are exempt from that and commit various human rights violations. Don’t come to me with conflicts of interest.
@@asymsolutions I share your overall sentiment but Stake doesn't own Sauber... much the same as Alfa Romeo never did. They're just sponsorship deals.
@@XxRdudexX So you don't understand context and haven't thought deeper. Okay.
@@soundscape26 So you don't understand what funding is. Or shares..
I'll explain it. When someone else is funding you, you are beholden to them. The funder will have ways to "just not pay you" as a business. There will also be numerous clauses, on both sides, and the other funders will have clauses that allows them to bail out early if enough people dump the contract. So they don't get sunk pumping money into something that won't provide results.
In the stock market, this is just under the 10% margin. In racing the margin is even smaller.
Stake has 3y contract for 140au, that's approx 1.4mil US Dollars per race.
There is 49.2 million fans following F1 in the US alone. if 1% of them bid $5 on a 1:2 outcome, that's a loss of 2.46mil in a single race, in one country alone. The odds for success per race are fall smaller than that in most bets. Like a 1:200 to 1:10 rate.
A single mid tier bet happening in the season would cost Stake more than their entire funding of the program.
If such a underdog scenario was becoming likely do you honestly believe Sauber would not have every reason to have something happen that would manipulate it towards not happening? Do you think that another crashgate wouldn't happen?
Stake has around a 24% control of Sauber's finances. Think about what means for a team.
Allowing gambling money to directly fund teams is giving every incentive to manipulate results and few to no reasons to not.
Legendary F1 Back Marker Names.
Sauber
Minardi
Jordan
Jaguar
BAR Honda
Toyota
Only BAR that can't comeback because of tobacco rules.
@Perspective ...are you aware that Audi used to be Auto Union? Do you know about Auto Union's involvement in pre-war Grand Prix racing? Not to discount their insane rally and touring car endeavors of the 80's, but Audi coming back to Grand Prix racing in almost 90 years is a massive fucking deal. This is "Mercedes coming back to F1" levels of huge. Audi will not be getting into this to lose, I guarantee you.
So we aren’t ok with stake, but jack Daniel’s and Vuse on the McLaren is ok
Personally I don't see the issue. For 30ish years Ferrari and McLaren made smoking Marlboro or West look like a big deal. No one cared when Williams was sponsored by Martini from 2014 because cool stripe.
"Stake"
"Stake"
"F1"
"F1"
"Team"
"Team"
"Stake F1 Team"
"SAUBER KICK!"
A lot of potential....MisStake F1, Beef Stake F1, Pork Steak F1, Stake Out F1....and more....
Everyone wants an Audi until they have one. Horribly expensive repair history.
Wishing for Petronas to reunite back with Sauber; Sauber Petronas, with 2005 livery or petronas color+white.
Every single sponsor exploits people in some way.
I mean yea, the things they promote aren't nice. but THE NAME IS ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS.
So I don't really care that it is Stake specifically, I don't care that it is an online gambling company (Unless I am not aware of some extra shadyness they are involved with?). That doesn't make it any worse to me.
I just think this is really such a stupid decision. I can only assume that the people who made the final decision know nothing about F1 and then refused to listen to those who do because this just creates negativity around them. Sauber is a beloved team, I don't think anyone dislikes them and I think most would say they enjoy when they do well. I also remember those BMW days, as well as the Kimi times with the Petronas sponsorship that looked so cool, lots of nostalgia with the team. If they were smart they would have said ok we are in an industry that some people really dislike and this is a very liked team so lets make it Stake Sauber thereby having our name on the team and creating some goodwill. Instead they kind of created the opposite impression.
How’s it different to Sportsbet sponsoring stuff? No one complains about them.
Wtf do u mean most hated? Until this video completely forgot this team existed