3D tour of Lost in Space Saucers * Scifisteve
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- In this case I stepped out of the 1950 era and into the 1960's. Taking my queues from the 65 TV series we will construct a saucer that could possible make the 40+ year journey to another star.
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I am thankful for subtitles.
I always loved this ship!!!!
thank you for you;re answer..again this was amazing to watch..to say i enjoyed it is a understatement
I loved the time and effort and thought you put into this. It's a brilliant bit of work.
Thanks, makes all the effort and research worth while.
Like the TARDIS, the Jupiter 2 was bigger on the inside than it was on the outside!
I am in aw over all the work that went into this Steve.
There was no cryogenics in use. It was an energy field of some sort to protect passengers from the effects of inter-dimensional travel. (Similar to This Island Earth)Thanks to the traitor Dr. Smith, who failed to get off the ship in time, the Jupiter V never did achieve hyper light velocity. So Smith survived without benefit of the tubes. I think the flying saucer design was chosen for faster than light travel through hyperspace. It means humans were so advanced they were nearly caught up with alien UFO tech. Hence interstellar travel took a relatively short time.( Again, its like Exeter's saucer traveling to 'Metaluna' - "beyond - the - Moon" - in This Island Earth)
WOW! You sure put a lot of work and thought into this model. Great work and explanation, better than the show! Thanks for posting this.
Love this! Thank you for the Geekfest. I was smiling for hours. 😆🖖
That's the kind of letters an author likes!
Thanhs
I have always been a fan of this program. The day the "Jupiter II" was launched is a special day for me. You see I was born in 1952, that in itself is unimportant. However the day was Thursday, 16 October.
This is amazing. You must have put an enormous amount of work into this. Well done. I would love to see what you could do with ship from the series.
My drawings take me from 6 to 12 months. Its fun and I'm retired. Its what I like to do. Thanks for the comment. The nice ones help keep me going! I ignore the other.
Great work Steve! Wow! Love the range of technical explanations and the modern reendering. Can't stop watching!
Technology speaking I loved how you stayed true to Irwin Allen's vision....even though the design never made sense....(example the space pod launching from the bottom ECT) yet you put your own spin on it. I only wish JJ Abrams only stayed true to Gene Roddenberry vision when creating the JJprise....I mean the Enterprise. Well done. my favorite is definitely your take on the flight deck.
Trying to stay true to the story, and bring practical solutions to either outdated technoligy or simple design errors is the goal. I just wanted to believe, as a kid, these things could work. This is me still living that goal.
And thanks for seeing that.
Great tour made more sense than then the TV J2 , the only thing was audio was low but great job thank you
Great Video BUT!!Why Does The Audio Have To Be Soo Low?? You Can't Hardly Hear It??
You offered a very good view of the Engine Compartment (PowerCore), in terms of access, size, as compared to one of the episodes of the original LIS series..
My ONLY Criticism is the Sound Volume. Otherwise this is GREAT STUFF! :D
Just looked at your 3D model walkthrough.
Whew, I'm impressed. You put a lot of work into this. You actually got everything to fit by doing the required 'scale up until it works' process. The JupII was suposed to be approx 40 ft diameter (which would never have allowed a pod let alone three decks) so about 100 ft in dia is what you get.
I noticed a few things I don't know if you intended or just were not aware of the original details.
the pod dropped out the bottom, not launched through the top. but what the hell..
I loved your Fusion reactor. Its so industrial looking! ...and your transformers ...and your incredible amount of detail you put into the whole model. I see you patterend the ship off of the original but took liberties where you wanted to fit into your overall assumptions.
BTW, the way they originally got to the engine deck (power deck) was through a ladder in the outside of the saucer, not opening up the living deck floor. That access method is the only thing I would probably change. I know you don't have the room on the outside of the power deck but a smaller access seems more sensible. The power deck itself is verrrryy impressive!
The only point I have to pick with the whole walk through is that the Audio is so LOW that with my volume cranked to 100% I can barely hear your comments. That's too bad as you did have a lot of good things to say.
I went on to check out the Buck Rogers spaceship....which I fell in love with...:-) (the audio was louder too)
Question. You did a lot of modeling. Why no 'people' in your animations? You can easily get some from 3D modelers and pose them in your animations without having to create them yourself. ??
anyway, thanks for letting me see your modeling.
In working it thru, dropping the POD from the bottom may have prevented it from being used after landing.
In the Aux pilot area I talk about using the POD to place sensors around the planet for monitoring. I included low orbiting satellites for weather and planet wide communication.
The showing of the engine thru the Living quarter was 100% theatrics.
It was sort of pulling open the curtains for a show car.
Your right about the sound. I didn’t notice it when running it on my machine.
My people suck!
Steve
Thank you for your considerable research and response. As I recall, the fall 1965 first Lost in Space episode showed the crew members glowing and motionless in their glass suspended animation chambers while the narrator described this scene as "an electromagnetic marvel" (was this the correct verbage?. if not, what exact verbage was used by the narrator in describing this scene with the crew glowing to produce their suspended animation? Or, alternatively, did the narrator say "freezing"?) for the five-year interstellar journey. John I. Campo Tampa, FL
I as a kid; was ahead of the same.. realistic: workable.. many of my sketches.
The only thing that I was interested in was the engine core. However I was impressed with the power generators.
The only problem with this is that the sound volume fades to barely audible on my iphone. But otherwise this must be the best Jupiter III EVER !!!
The guide stars that NASA and JPL use are Sol, Sirius, and Canopus.
Salutations Mr. Johnson (SciFiSteve) from Mr. Dowd. (Part I Classic Sci-Fi Hyper-Drive for the Jupiter II)
I am a great fan of all your 3D models of the classic Sci-Fi spaceships from movies and television. In particular I admire your rendering of the Jupiter II of “Lost in Space”. In fact it has become a little bit of an obsession to me. The details you put in your designs and the real world science you use in describing the operation of your “ship rendering” makes me believe that your ships could actually fly. In that spirit I wish to add some additional details on the operation of the Jupiter II.
In your model the propulsion is what you call “Magnetic Drive/Hyper-drive”. Per your description it is a way to accelerate the ship without the use of a propellant. Let’s suppose this drive is generating a gravitation field with uniform gravitational acceleration vectors (same direction same magnitude) within a spherical volume that covers the ship. Let’s further stipulate the magnitude and direction of the gravitational acceleration vectors are controllable. A reasonable magnitude range should max out at 10 g’s. The direction of the vectors should have two control settings which vary by 180 degrees. The positive (acceleration) vectors should point to the top of the saucer. The negative (deceleration) vectors should point to the bottom of the saucer.
To take off from an Earth type planet you need to accelerate more than 1 gee just to move at all. Since this is a gravitational drive the crew will be in free fall the minute the drive is turned on for takeoff. In fact the crew will be in free fall during the Acceleration, Cruise, Deceleration, Exploration and Landing phases of the mission. This might not matter for the Takeoff, Acceleration, Cruise and Deceleration phases as the crew is in suspended animation.
But for the Exploration and Landing phases a 1 gee environment inside the saucer would be highly desirable for the health and comfort of the crew.The question is how to provide it?
(See Part II Classic Sci-Fi Artificial Gravity for the Jupiter II)
Part II - How to provide classic Sci-Fi Artificial Gravity for the Jupiter II
One way would be to use the Hyper-drive to provide it. But there is a problem since a gravitational field acts uniformly on all matter. The crew would still be in free-fall within the ship frame while the ship itself would be decelerating when a velocity change is not desired. A possible solution would be to fire a rocket attached to the “stern” of the sauce to accelerate the saucer 1 g to oppose the deceleration for no net velocity change. The crew inside would no longer be in free-fall as they would “feel” a one gee “artificial gravity” with respect to the ship frame.
But there is an obvious problem with this solution. A rocket needs a propellant supply which reduces the effective payload of an interstellar mission. It also sets a strict time limit on the ability to provide “artificial gravity” in free space. What is needed is the equivalent of a rocket that works without the need of a propellant supply.
To cut the chase here is a proposed modification. An auxiliary Impulse Drive should be added to the design. The “Impulse Drive” engine would be a miniature Hyper-drive engine with a focused gravitational field. The field will be focused on a dense mass rigidly attached to the ship frame. This is the equivalent of rocket engine but it operates without propellant. Like the main drive in that it only needs power from the Power Plant to operate.
Thus it can operate through all phases of the mission.
The number of impulse engines should be a minimum of eight which collectively should provide enough thrust to accelerate the ship up to 4 g's. The engines should be evenly distributed around the ships oriented in parallel to the Main Drive. The engines should be as far from the center of the saucer as possible. This arrangement will allow the Impulse Engines to provide stability and attitude control by minor adjustments of thrust from each individual engine.
Another benefit would be safety. If the Main Drive should fail during a critical phase of the mission such as a takeoff or landing the Auxiliary Impulse Drive could take over.
These design modifications should also provide a comfortable 1 gee environment in the saucer when it lands on low gee or high gee environment (like Mars or a Super Earth). If fact control of gravity should open up a lot of space for human settlement. For Instance the Moon and Mars in our own solar system could be made very desirable locations for colonies if people could live in a 1 gee environments in their homes and enjoy the “great outdoors” of low gee environment for recreation. On a Super Earth high gee environment a 1 gee shelter is essential just to survive on the planet let alone colonize it.
Your thoughts and feedback would be greatly appreciated on these modifications.
A little lengthy, but here I go. Sticking with the show, sustained gravity seems unneeded as they are in suspended/frozen state for the vast majority of the flight. I like the idea of the Impulse Drive. Allows for a lower stress propulsion system, plus backup. And since Hyper drive is so vague (anything from super fast to alternate dimensions) I don't see how a gravitational field can be associated directly with it.
Oh, I will be addressing Hyper Drive (alternate dimensions) in my next ship.
Well that was fun.
Thanks
saucer looks good but the bottom (fusion core) is way too big and gives the ship an obese look. I would reduce the (fusion core) back to what it was and maybe extend the edges of the saucer portion just a bit more. Whole thing needs to be sleeked out. The size (being just under 100') is actually great. Haselius00 actually has a wonderful design of a larger (100') Jupiter 2. You should check it out. I could imagine a design combining your realistic vision of what we could do today in technology and what he created as far as possible hull exterior and tech.
For your Lost in Space readers I would like to share some FYI which may be of interest. In the mid-1990's a young Mexican graduate student (Miguel Alcubierre) while studying at Caimbridge University in the UK expanding his knowledge of General Relativity playing with applications of Einstein's General Relativity gravity equation, came up with an equation application which would (in theory yet to be disproved to date) allow a spaceship to remain in a "bubble" of non-distorted (in shape) four-dimensional spacetime while the spacetime behind the ship was greatly EXPANDED (i.e. positive spacial curvature, perhaps by projecting yet to be demonstrated "exotic matter" particles with negative energy density behind the ship -a sort of "super" Casimir effect with respect to (relative) negative energy) and at the same time (via projecting in front of the ship perhaps using very high density graviton field particles to cause) the spacetime in front of the ship to greatly CONTRACT (i.e. negative spacial curvature as we see in a standard powerful gravity field) THUS allowing this ship to travel (like a surfer on a wave) the equivalent of ten times the speed of light between remote points "A" and "B" in deep interstellar space. Even NASA (in recent years) has a retained physicist dedicated to play with this "Alcubierre Warp Drive" equation. Its cool how the shape of the Orville in the 2017 Fox TV show "The Orville" has a shape-design consistent with Alcubierre Warp Drive!! John I. Campo
Real good job you did, to bad I couldn't here a thing you said.
willibill c Your not the first to complain.
I am sorry, new computer and I had the sound set too high for me.
I have fixed it here, but it takes 3 full days to upload to TH-cam.
So I never re-issued it. You can hear it but the volume needs to be up.
Yes , Great video . The original version to me still holds up to what we still can attempt to build . The volume is so low it hard to hear you.
i wanted a Better Door of the cabins beds in closets and such but otherwise you did a fantastic job I loved it well done thank you for sharing it will you be doing a better 3D rendering of the Pod and The Chariot?
Thanks very much.
I really do appreciate reviews.
Steve
this was amazing..you did an excelent job of reconstruction and explanation..i cant imagine the amount of hours you put into this...idohave a question you;re exclamation of the engine was very good but because there are no exhaust ports on the jupiter how does the engine propel the ship does it form a field around the ship like a warp bubble or what?...thank you for you;re time in doing this i have loved the show for years and you;re ship would work....
Here is how: Electromagnetic propulsion (EMP), is the principle of accelerating an object by the utilization of a flowing electrical current and magnetic fields. The electrical current is used to either create an opposing magnetic field, or to charge a field, which can then be repelled. When a current flows through a conductor in a magnetic field, an electromagnetic force known as a Lorentz force, pushes the conductor in a direction perpendicular to the conductor and the magnetic field. This repulsing force is what causes propulsion in a system designed to take advantage of the phenomenon. Scifisteve
This is a great rendering of a "real life" Jupiter 2. I have some suggestions which I offer in the spirit of the mission statement at the beginning of this presentation. 1) Take more colonists. I don't think 6 colonists per saucer is cost efficient. I think 1000 colonists would be more effective to "get the party started". Probably should come in a fleet of three (Nina, Pinta & Santa Maria) for a total of 3000 colonists. 2) By the time this comes to pass we should have "auto docs" which can perform any medical procedure that can be performed on Earth. That should include the cyro-freeze process. In a emergency it should be possible to thaw the crew to correct course or make vital repairs. It would also allow the crew to be expanded to maintain a live person watch during the entire flight without aging anyone beyond their life expectancy. 3) I am also curious about the magnetic drive principle you referenced. Could you cite a source or elaborate in reply to this comment.
My quibbles notwithstanding your work is outstanding. You even have me believing in Commando Cody again!
My goal in these drawings is to show that technology is withing reach to make these classic science fictions really work. A fleet of ships and a 1000 people is an all new story and I thing too afar adrift from the original TV show. That said. It only takes 50 men and women to recreate the human recrate the human race (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_viable_population). Magnetic drive comes from (www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/04/evaluating-nasas-futuristic-em-drive/ and science.howstuffworks.com/electromagnetic-propulsion.htm).
Great Questions.
Steve
Um, the "lander" was called the Space Pod. fan fail
Ok, I'm confused. First, if the ship is designed to travel sublight with the crew in cryo-stasis, then how did they ever get "Lost"? They were woken up fairly early, and should have traveled only a short distance from Earth--probably not even out of the solar system. And how did they reach other planets so quickly? They didn't go back into stasis, and they should have been decades from any other star or planet. Not to mention that they were visiting new planets and stars almost every week.
I also recall that they extracted fuel from the planets that they landed on. It's not clear what this fuel actually was. It was accessed with a small drill rig that could have brought up well water, but not much else. Perhaps they isolated deuterium or tritium from water that they drilled for, but this would give a very low yield.
Finally, if the point is to start a new colony on an uninhabited planet, than why send only six people, two of whom are past breeding age and five of whom are closely related? Aside from Mark and Judy, none of the crew seem to make likely parents, and their children will have an even more limited gene pool. The colony would be doomed from the start.
geoffk777 - Here's a clue for you that might answer you many questions.
> It's targeted toward a teenage audience to sell comercials. Not the design beurow of the former Soviet Union's Space Program.
@@mydogbrian4814 I get your point, but if the basic premises of a show make no sense, than it's much harder to suspend belief and get involved. I always hated Space 1999 for the same reason--the basic premise was ridiculous.
And if the whole thing isn't meant to be taken at all seriously, than why put so much thought into an elaborate 3D model?
@@geoffk777 We're on the same page about all that you mentioned. For somebody that witnessed Apollo 11 launch from 6½ miles away, I could never get serious about that show. But I did like the girls.
@@mydogbrian4814 We really are on the same page. I liked the girls too 😍
@@geoffk777 👍
For the long-term flight, the 1965 first episode showed the crew undergoing an electromagnetic (EM) stasis NOT freezing: I would thnik that this would employ an induced EM field application with a continuous, repeating "off and on" cycle of EM subatomic particle interaction "snapshots" with a period near Planck time (quanta of time 10 minus 44 sec): A sort of induced relativistic-like time dilation at a subatomic level so that (within this field) only a very tiny time interval elapses while a one-year time interval will elapse outside of this field. John I. Campo Tampa 11-23-2017
That's not what I got at all. Page 40 of the Tech Ref. manual describes the E/M ray as way to instantly remove heat from the body and its cells. Thus eliminate damage during the freezing process. Common microwave energy was used to defrost the body. If you have something from LIS referencing this procedure please send it along.
Thank you for your considerable reaserch and response regarding events shown during the first (Fall 1965) episode of Lost in Space. Please simply go back to (only) this episode and consider the verbage used to describe the scene where the narrator (as I recall, but incorrectly?) described to the 1965 audience the 1997 techinical (grand) achievements of the Jupiter 2: The crew members' bodies were shown glowing while the narrator stated how the crew underwent an "electromagnetic marvel" (was this the exact verbage ?) allowing these crew members to be in a suspended animanitation during the five-year (sub-light, near-light or light speed?) trip to Alpha Centauri. John I. Campo Tampa, FL
I love Jupiter to I'm missing a watching the show with the show can come back by Walt
ALL IN ALL, NOT TO SHABBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IN MANY WAYS, IN KEEPING WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE ORIGINAL JUPITER 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THERE ARE THINGS I WOULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY, BUT IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any luck on the sound?
What? No robot ? I’m serious !
ditto not mention the missile launchers
what about the rocket ship from 20 Million Miles to Earth
(1957
alec cap - Oh yes, definitely a must!
- I figured the tail end of the crashed rocket in the water was about 40 feet in diameter way back when I was a devoted space cadet watching 50's scify. And NASA was just a tourists destination.
You changed and added lots of things, this is supposed to be the Jupiter 2 right?
Right. I loved the shows and create a saucer inspired by the show and made it as real as possible. I think I have done that. I hope you enjoyed the walk thru and the science I presented.
Well done, brlliant. Much more realistic size. Although your audio level is very low
who's paying for such a project it's cool and all but what's the price tag say?
If I remember right the POD launched from the bottom. Not the top of the ship.
Your are correct, but you entered the POD on the upper deck. Which ment you dropped thru the lower deck to exit. That created a need for a shaft large enough to allow the POD to drop thru. That is space you can't afford to just give up. So enter the top deck and exit the top. Saves lots of space.
But thanks for noticing.
Steve
I remembered this latter. Assuming the saucer lands correctly one day and you launch the POD from the bottom, its now trapped in side. Launching from the top allows the POD to continue to be used.
Steve
How about turning up the audio.
This must be JJ Abrams universe Jupiter II.
The POD doesn't look like that, It looks more like a Lunar Lander, Not a semi egg shape. Also where is the Jet Packs stored.
where's the environmental control robot model B9?
Lots of wasted space inside this craft but.... its lots of fun on a t v show.
Absolutely correct.
Is this thing the TARDIS or what .
You'd need very little antimatter to run the ship for decades.
What I pointed out in the 3D tour is antimatter is too complicated to create. The amount of equipment needed to create antimatter on the target planet is probably greater that the ship itself. Not to be too simplistic by fusion is water plus lasers. Both the tour of the "Terra V" and my "dimensional jump" both use antimatter. The difference is they have refueling stations all over the galaxy.
The point is, you wouldn't need to manufacture antimatter. IF you could make it at all, you could make enough on Earth and bring it with you. It'd take up very little space.
I designed the ship with a very large machine shop, and 3D printer. Machines designed to re-cycle existing materials to be reused. Everything should be able to be build and or re-machined. No matter how much antimatter you bring its a fixed amount period. You can't create more. I can re-fuel and continue to fusion reactionand have my family sleep well.
:sigh:
You don't have any concept of how much energy you'd get from anti-matter.
www.quora.com/Which-gives-more-energy-matter-antimatter-annihilation-or-nuclear-fusion
The seats are florr level in the show not lifted as you have them.
I don’t get it. All that work done on the graphics, but the sound of the narration is absolutely horrendous! Sounds like a distant, broken Mr. Microphone!
Sorry, but you seem to be correct. Lots of complaints. It should be corrected from this point on.
LOUDER Speak up Jack can't hear you, had to use a external speakers, still not loud enough, I am not Deaf, otherwise good documentary on the ship.
...BAD-TO-THE-BONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
1. Sorry your space pod needs alot of work. It's designed is all wrong.
2. Best I can remembers your launch computer is on the wrong wall. It could be seen on the side wall not the outer wall.
3. The pod dropped out of the bottom, it did not come out of the top. It's in the wrong place.
No can't use current technology for science FICTION to create a ship .
Volume too low and the first 5 minutes are a waste of time. I can't remember the flight deck looking like you show them to be.
I don't understand. I have 4 different computers n my house. 1 3 year old intel, 3 Apple, one is desk top, laptop and I pad. All get the sound just fine. But all have Bose or Harmon Kardon speakers. But no sound problems with this site.
...the sound is rancid
Very low sound. Hard to follow.
fix your audio and repost
I don't understand. I have 4 different computers n my house. 1 3 year old intel, 3 Apple, one is desk top, laptop and I pad. All get the sound just fine. But all have Bose or Harmon Kardon speakers. But no sound problems with this site.
The sound quality is....TERRIBLE...and it makes what seems to be an interesting video...Unwatchable
Audio STINKS! Sorry, gotta give you a down vote. But, I watched it ALLLLL the way through.