Why the Term "White Privilege" is Revolting - Douglas Murray
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Ah ... the White privilege that saw my father working down a coal mine in South Wales at the age of 14.
My grandfather did too ❤❤❤ cymru am byth
My dad worked 2 jobs to get me and my brothers out of the projects. That’s my privilege. God bless him, RIP dad.
My Grandfather also, and his father, and his father before him. My own father joined the Army specifically to stay out of the Pits or Steel mills....
A good thing really given that when all those Pits closed in the 70's and 80's almost nothing came into the Valleys to replace them....
And my mom picking cotton at age 8 all day in the Alabama sun
My father didn't but my grandfather did.
Thank you, Douglas. From a white working-class writer who spent his young life trying to defy his rotten education and difficult upbringing and the second half being told he's privileged.
If you were born post ww2. for a vast amount of people you were born into an antique land when compared to the present !
Ah, how people forget
Poor White kid turned “privileged” adult here too. Complete bullshit.
Fuck anyone who uses this ignorant and racist rhetoric against White people.
I was born in the 1950s in London, I had a great junior and secondary school education. When I wrote my first manuscript, at first Random House publishers loved it, then when it got to the next level, they rejected it and then said, "come back when you are famous". LOL.
@@kafkastrial8650 That would depend on your family's situation. A person now who doesn't get the crap beaten out of him daily as acts of normality by drunk parents who are so overworked they will die young, in an area where violence is epidemic and a large percentage of young people will go to prison, or die of ODs, or be murdered...where most people leave school at 15 and have to work in mines, factories, and mills...Well, if you are young today and that doesn't happen to you, and you have been fortunate enough to go to university, and you don't have crippling mental issues from abuse, I reckon you are doing ok, especially if your family has been able to help out with money a little bit.
The past wasn't all that much easier, you know. I have only a few friends left, most died in their 20s. Some parts of Britain in the 80s and 90s were dystopian. So. thinking about my own life, and my lost friends, and the parents who, in their turn, were also F**ked up by their parents, I find it hard to accept that we were/are privileged, say, more privileged than a non-male, non-white Guardian writer who had a nanny and was shoehorned into Oxford.
Sorry about the messy writing. I'm ranting on my feet :) There is still a class system in the UK, and the past was just as bad as the present. Skin color doesn't really matter. What matters are opportunities, education, love, safety nets, the confidence to believe you are not condemned as the rotten class. The longer we focus on race or sex, the more we ignore the real crisis.
The terms "white privilege" and "black excellence" are noxious.
Completely toxic, agree.
Throw “baby momma” in there also. A putrid term for a mom.
So is black love, Pro black, black, queen, black girl magic, black power, black pride, along with black excellence. It’s not equality that they want, it’s special treatment and power. We need to address the hypocrisy and double standards cause if we as white people can’t say any of those things or have white pride then there is no equality, just black privileges. Not to mention they have black twitter, black movie categories, black entertainment, television, known as BET, black colleges, the promotion of black owned businesses, black magazines, etc. I was born in the 80s, and in my experience, I’ve never met a more rct, privileged, divisive, violent group of people in my life.
@@tekay44 Baby Daddy Life Insurance is a real company. The commercials are hilarious.
Whenever I hear black excellence names like Tiffany Henyard, Marilyn Mosby, Letitia James, and Sean "Diddy Combs" plus all the other "gangstas" come to mind.
My white privilege is working on a building site 9 hours a day 6 days a week to feed my wife and 3 kids. Iv been doing this the last 20 years. What a privilege x
In my town, whites will gang up and not let people of color into the construction business because it pays big money. And the town makes sure to only give contracts to those whites. Do you call that corruption, white privilege?
The country needs men like you ....many of my neighbours helped to build the UK motorways ...most folk who talk about white privilege were never outside working on a wet and cold day. A shout out to all you fellas and powerline workers etc
Being knee deep in human waste in a 5ft deep hole I'd just dug fitting a manhole, at 47 yrs old. (sorry access chamber, don't want to sound sexist) to an existing soil main. Climbing out of the hole I see a 20ish year old black lady drive past in a brand new top of the range Mercedes. Privilege is about class and status, not colour and race.
The concept of white privilege isn't that your life isn't hard. It's that it would be harder if you were also of a disadvantaged group. Like imagine all that hardship *and* you have to deal with racism on top of it.
Britain, built by men in overalls, ruined by men in suits.
White privilege? What's that? My Mother born 1908 (I'm 77 by the way) was too poor to have a doll. Picked coal from waste heaps to have a fire in the home. Felt hungry all of the time. My male line were coal miners for over 200 years, which meant some of them worked underground from the age of 7. I get very annoyed when I see well educated, comfortably off people spouting this kind of rubbish. What has happened to young people to cause this apparent stupidity?
In 1908 Black people didn't even have the same rights as your mother yet you want to act like that isn't a privilege?
Also it's funny you make this argument but if a Black person did the same all you racists would be calling them victims.
@@Solidude4 I'm racist now? You need to take a long hard look at yourself. Being bitter and twisted will spoil your life and probably end it prematurely. Please sort yourself out.
@@jimwhippet3697 Funny because you're the one who sounds bitter and twisted. Bitter that the world has begun to hold White people accountable.
@@jimwhippet3697 The only one who sounds bitter here is you. you're the one complaining and whining here about how poor your mum was.
My Irish ancestors were treated like garbage. And that affected me not at all. And even if it did, I can hardly blame the descendants of the people who persecuted my ancestors. It is not their fault. I hate term white, as it is used by progressives. It lumps so many vastly different cultures together with vastly different histories.
Given the long and arduous history of the Irish over the last thousand years., the adversity faced by anyone in the US was basically summer camp.
What does the term bame do?or the new American term poc?🙄
Its all Cultural Marxism brought about, ironically, Zionists.
@@coreydonohoe8121 Im glad you think slavery and genocide are like summer camp. says everything we need to know about you.
@@coreydonohoe8121 in the US??????? Are you delusional???
I read a book from a 19th-century author visiting England. She recounted the sadness of horses descending into coal mines where they would live out their short lives. She, being of the upper class, missed that men, young men, and boys were also descending into that hell. That was the reality for many. Factories, coal mines, and bridge building meant early deaths for these privileged white men and impoverishment for their families.
The road to Wigan pier is a great book.
Fantastic solipsism. To most women, most men are literally invisible.
@johns.1854 that's too much resentment. It clouds one's vision and makes it hard to see the truth with a balanced perspective. Fair warning my friend!
@@rebbrown7140
Given that to which he was replying, @johns.1854 seems to be stating a fact rather than venting resentment. I would like to have a better understanding of your opinion here, though. Please elaborate.
@@rebbrown7140 - And why isn't resentment against profound dismissal of a "lower class life" a good thing? Oh, by all means, just care about horses from an upper-class vision! ( Lest we forget the context here. ) Criticizing those who stand against such indignities and injustices is quite the clouded and distorted imbalance itself. Careful!
I grew up in the projects, my “white privilege” is that my dad stuck around and got us out of there.
Get your privilege out of here, it's not fair that your dad did his job and mine didn't, pay me reparations or else!
So your "white privilege" is that your dad didn't get lynched?
@@markdwolf3198hahahah 😂
racially driven comment
I agree for the most part. I too grew up in the projects of Jamaica Queens and the Bronx. My dad stayed with my mom until he died at 84 years old. More than long enough to make sure we were self sufficient and capable of leading a fruitful life.
In an honest look at history, no-one comes out looking good.
Martin Luther King is pretty good though. It is a pity people who cry about "White privilege" have seemingly forgotten about that dream of his, of a future where no one would judge another based on the color of their skin.
Facts bro.
The plain fact is that there are certain pseudo-academics, certain journalists, radio presenters and certain politicians who make a living out of grievance.
Grifters
And 159 years after the last slave was freed from the living holocaust of chattel bondage, there are *still* people making a business out of slavery, or at least its specter. One hundred and thirteen years ago, notable black scholar and former slave Booker T. Washington wrote about this in his book, “My Larger Education: Being Chapters from My Experience:”
“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs - partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.” Maintaining these old grievances is no better than keeping the hope alive for a revived Confederacy rooted in White Supremacy. ='[.]'=
@@AnonJohn143Farage.
Exactly. Well said.
Ibrahim Kendi, Angela Rayner, James O'Brien, David Lammy, Femi, Owen Jones come to mind..
No one can toss an insult like Douglas and make it sound so eloquent and sting so deeply.
When you call naming facts tossing an insult,
Quite a bit of understanding is lacking,
isnt't it?
I remember a few years back on Facebook I complained that I don't like this tendency to assume privilege based on skin color. I am a Jew from ex-USSR, a descendant of slaves (the feudal system), and have lived in poverty half my life. I was told "Oh, don't be silly, no one means the whites from USSR or Jews, it's about the actual colonizers like Brits and Spanish - Europeans!". Well, guess what, fast-forward to today...
When progressives complain about colonialism or imperialism, it begins and ends with the British Empire.
The Spanish or French are a distant second. No one else even gets a mention.
Which is false in itself considering the history of europe and serfdom.
my mom is not even 60, and she didnt have running water or a toilet in the house when she was a child.
And one generation further back would have been White (!!!) Children working 70 hour weeks in mines and factories. 😢
My mother-in-law died recently at 92. As a child in the depression, she had the 'white privilege of a hammer wrapped in old cloth for a doll.
I'm 63, and I only have cold running water. At least I have a roof over my head. My parents were both born during the Depression.
Mine too, grew up in the 60's and 70's in glorious socialist-communist paradise of East Germany.. Which was considerably better than if you went even further East
My family too, no inside toilet, I remember the smell of the paraffin lamp, even in the 1970,s no fridge, phone, auto washing machine, freezer, car
His comment about people displaying their ignorance is so accurate.
A much more balanced and humane way of discussing these topics than so much of the shrill, judgemental current discourse. Thank you.
How can anyone listen to Douglas and not be impressed
It's really easy. The trope that white people can point to poverty in the past and that excuses white-dominated society from any responsibility for the aftermath of slavery and colonialism is pure sophistry. Yes many, most even, white people had hard lives; however, if they had not been white yet put into the same spot, they would have had it harder. In almost any situation a non-white person would have been disadvantaged versus a white person throughout the entire colonial and "post" colonial era and this is entirely due to white-supremacy and white racism.
@@paulpeterson4216 will we ignore that white ppl were able to exploit non-white ppl only due to the help of other non-white ppl?
Also, why are we considering only starting from colonial era? How many years should pass until you guys will say "now its ok"?
@@paulpeterson4216White man bad, everyone else good. Got it…
Any history teacher at least :)
@@paulpeterson4216The fact that you put at the feet of white peoples, slavery, tells me how little you know.
This man is a national treasure
I’d say a world treasure!
@@nancycrabtree6312 Thomas Sowell is as well.
International
we need him leading my country (The Netherlands) or the land where I was born ( The UK)
Working class kids were used to clean chimneys by making them climb up into them. It really wasn't as joyful as Mary Poppins.
Yes, am sure that there are still houses with a little child stuck in the wall, that nobody knows about anymore. - These children wasn't worth the cost of rebuilding anything....
Yet *Song of the South* Disney takes away?
@@hildajensen6263 I doubt it, a stuck child would have blocked the chimney and made all the fireplaces connected to it unusable.
And I continue with the rant. My white family had two brothers killed in WW1. One of the bodies was never found. One killed in WW2. Two imprisoned by the Japanese. One lost his legs. Like most families on rations throughout the war and on rations after until I think 1953. Struggling to see the white privilege here.
The typical progressive response is something along the lines of “but think how much worse off you would be if all of that had happened, and you were black on top of it!” They don’t word it quite like that, though, because it sounds racist when they do.
I don't think the idea of white privilege is completely unfounded, though the reality of it has been greatly exaggerated.
These stats are just from a quick Google search so I don't know how accurate they are, but apparently in 2022 the poverty rate of non-hispanic white Americans was 8.6%, while the poverty rate of black people was 17.1%
Taken at face value, the black poverty rate was almost double that of the white poverty rate. And to just say that "black culture" caused it is a bit short-sighted I think, but that's perhaps a longer conversation.
All of this is not to dismiss the horrors of war your family members had to endure. A lot of leftists in the "victim groups" don't realize how good they have it. Also I'm a straight white man and I'm really struggling at the moment for reasons I won't go into, so I'm not really feeling my "white privilege" right now. Even so, there is some truth to the concept.
@@kwk111 sure, I don’t think there are a lot of people who are actually arguing that racism and systemic inequality don’t exist. But that’s not really what proponents of white privilege as a concept are going for. They are trying to make people feel guilty about having been born a certain way, which sucks.
@@kwk111even giving a sliver of considering to that filth invalidates anything you say after.
@@erueka6 I'm not sure what you mean
Finally soneone is saying it.
I LOOOOVE this man!!! I am so FED UP of all these ignorant people acting as if they know everything!
Me too. The ones I find who know everything on here are the pro- pale - anti Israeli know-it-all. supporters .
My white privilege has allowed me to struggle all my life, struggled to settle in a school because my dad kept moving jobs, struggled to get an easy job because I didn't have the relevant qualifications to get one so had to do the shit jobs nobody wanted. Joined the army in my 20,s to escape it and struggled to do a hard job in places you wouldn't send your dog to. Left the army and worked 10 years in an engineering factory doing hard tedious work, packed that in and worked myself to the bone doing landscape gardening, I'm now 61 and my white privilege has broke my mind body and spirit to the point I can't work anymore. I've got six and a half years if I last that long to get a paltry pension for all my hard work and endeavour. If that's what you call white privilege you can keep it. 😢
61. part of the problem.
you could have solved things very easily. but.... you didn't. reap what you sow.
@@itsMe_TheHerpes I had k5 schools before I was t11 when most kids have 2. I'm not stupid I was successful in every job I e done and ran my own landscaping business for twenty years. The point I'm making is not everyone is born entitled no matter what colour of their skin, I personally couldn't have tried any harder in my life.
@@kevinadamson5768 "no matter the color of the skin" you just had to specifically mention that, right ? i mean god forbid you would say otherwise. we all need to see how inclusive you are and how morally superior, right ?
how about you give me a break ?
@@itsMe_TheHerpes bet you've had a mollycoddled life.
@@kevinadamson5768 i was expecting this sort of answer from the likes of you.
With white privilege implies reparations. My ancestors fought in the Union army in the American Civil War. My great-great grandmother’s first husband was killed in that war. Didn’t they pay the price for slavery? My parents grew up during the Great Depression and endured the Dust Bowl. Eating dandelions from their yard was common. Dad survived three airplane wrecks in WWII as a Navy pilot. He had not expected to survive the war. Where is the white privilege? Yet, I am privileged in that they raised me with love, to love others, to strive for an education, and to celebrate people’s achievements.
My grandmother started work at 12 yrs of age they where called part timers went to school in the morning and worked in the mill in the afternoon my father started work at 14 doing 12 hour shifts in the mill which he had to walk miles to get to to the only privilege I have is to be born into better times. But I suppose the myth is far better to beat you down with than the truth
My grandmother started as a maid of all work on a farm at 16.
The truly sad part is that she would still prefer that life to being 16 today. Looking at her great grandchildren, she laments how they have no opportunities to make decisions about anything that actually matter and experience the consequences of those, and thereby develop both personality and character. In stead they are stunted into a too long childhood that they might never leave and filled with frustrated energy.
Douglas nails it as usual! All the 'Studies' recently invented 'disciplines' do NOT want their favourite authors to simply be normalised, as they already are, because they NEED them to be kept separate for their own "Grift Studies" departments to continue....................Simples! 🤫🤔
I may be wrong, but I think I detect an Australian who has seen a certain ad campaign...😆
@@steelcrown7130 No idea what you're talking about, and not an Aussie either!
@@brother1ray In Australia for years now we have had an ad campaign for a group (Comparethemarket) that helps you to choose insurance companies. The ad campaign has a pair of meerkats speaking in Russian accents explaining how easy it is to choose between companies if you use their services. Every ad finishes with the main character finishing the explanation and then saying direct-to-camera "Simples".
It was just the way you finished your comment with "simples" that made me think you were channeling what has become a common catchphrase here.
PS the meerkats were originally a very bad pun based on Comparethemarket with Comparethemeerkat. The Russian accents were, and remain, completely baffling. It is, and has always been, a dog's breakfast of an ad campaign, but for some reason "simples" took off.
@@steelcrown7130 We also have this in the UK and they're still using simples.
@@jukesy1992 Thanks, had no idea! I thought we were the only country that had to put up with it!
My parents grew up in the depression - say no more
My parents EXISTED through the depression bless their souls
Mine as well, Dad was born in 1929 and mom 1933. In Oklahoma and migrated to California, Okies were treated badly. The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck reads like a biography of my families life.
yes but by todays misguided standards if you're not black, you're not poor.
@@ronaldtreitner1460no one’s ever made that claim 🤦♂️
Douglas Murray is awesome.
Douglas for me has inherited the mantle from Christopher Hitchens of being the voice of reason, logic and sensibility. It always a pleasure to hear him speak.
They both have such wonderful diction and articulation. I used to have Hitchens on in the background when I was working just to hear his voice. His brother is a turd, however.
The main issue is that victimhood mentality is big business nowadays! Until this issue is addressed by society and both the media, Acedemics and politicians are brought to account for this, it will not change!
and governments like it because when peeps infantilize THEMSELVES, in allows tyrannical governments to rule.
I love this guy. Most people forget the reason there is so little writing or media about certain types of people is not racism, it's because no one wants to buy it. Write whatever you want but I will only buy what I want to read.
Lack of proper education and lack of knowledge is a large part of why so many people have strong opinions about things that have little actual knowledge of. Society seems to be rediscovering knowledge that should never have been lost.
A more appropriate term is "White brilliance" - far more relevant to the advancement of human progress
across the world.
What is "white"
Europeans, North Africans, East Africans, Asians form a globalized partly shared culture and civilization over four thousand years. The achievements of this shared globalized culture and civilization are globally shared.
Ancient English, Welsh and Scottish brilliance partly belongs to Africans too.
@@AnAn___ '... form a globalized partly shared culture and civilization over four thousand years. The achievements of this shared globalized culture and civilization are globally shared.'
ha! the delusions of a gender studies education
@@AnAn___what about the sub Saharan Africans? Their spear throwing is known to have been the catalyst for the moon landings 🤔
@@AnAn___im going to have to disagree. Europeans in particular along with European Americans created just about everything in the modern world. From cars to phones to TVs the list is endless. Besides aids Malaria and higher crime rates I can’t name you an African contribution to the modern world.
Oooo. Somebody majored in "______Studies"
Being raised by two parents is not a privilege, but it is an advantage.
It used to be a norm.
Yes, but that advantage is real and resented by certain demographics, (and grifters!).
Respectfully, whether or not that[s an advantage depends on the mental health and state of the marriage of those two parents.
@@rebecca_stone More than a century worth of data tells us 2-parent married families have the best outcomes for children....by far!
Yes and 1 or 2 children being brought up properly than having 4 or 5 kids dressed in rags,snotty noses, and begging for food, is also an advantage...
'White Privilege' is a stereotypical term that was coined in 2020 and tars all white people when really it only applies to a small minority. I recall the struggles of my grandparents to make things better for future generations. Many ordinary people experienced poor housing & sanitary provision , 2 tiered education, lack of career opportunities and an inability to improve their lot. To be told they had privilege is an insult.
Really? I heard it back in the 1980s. Were you born after that?
67 but never came across it until 2020 and grew up in Nottingham which has always had a large Caribbean community post WW2@@karldubhe8619
White privilege as a term existed at least prior to 2013, which is when I got into politics and immediately saw it mentioned everywhere. It could very well be from the 80s even, like the reply before me states. I think you just weren't keeping up with politics much until you got bored during the pandemic perhaps. Not that I'm trying to be rude about that, but only a decade ago I was telling everyone about what was happening, and boomers/older people especially were upset and didn't believe a word I said. It was already happening, so it would corrobate this widespread denial of your generation if you genuinely thought that such a term was only invented in 2020.
@@CarboKill
The term "white privilege" comes from an essay called "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack" by the American feminist Peggy McIntosh published in 1989. The whole concept is based on the biased views of this one woman.
The term "white privilege " has been around since the civil rights era. It's been very badly twisted in recent years and a lot of people have been offended at the term "privilege" because they have taken synonyms for it as alternative definitions.
Every time I listen to Douglas Murray, I gain a new point of view or useful knowledge.
cant know much to start with then
History seems to have multiple "black curtains" of a sort - the biggest ones being the 1950s and the Victorian era. Unread and uninformed people who don't know more than these periods of the past and project backwards and seem to assume that the women of the Renaissance were exactly like the 1950s housewife or the attitudes towards foreign nations in the 16th century was exactly like how it was during the height of Victorian Empire. Fact is though that times change and eras change, and there periods where women and other minorities did very well, followed by not so well, followed by well again. History is complicated.
The ancient world had many matriarchies and patriarchies and lbgtq+ led societies in cycles over time and distance. Many were toxic; or started well and became toxic. Many were positive and built on merit, perfection, excellence, self actualization.
The world has been a very nuanced complicated place for an awful long time.
Excellent points
It’s like when there’s a war it’s always compared to ww2. This fella is Hitler and that fella is Churchill. Like there’s no other wars they can reference cause they’ve never had any interest in history apart from watching ww2 in colour documentaries
@@AnAn___they had no tq+++++ in the past this is purely the insanity of money, kinsey and certain German surgeons pandering to insanity. Its a product of 20th/21st century dont conflate what Douglas us saying to pander to that cult
@@AnAn___Who, where exactly were the lgbtq led societies.
He is right Victorians for example suffered terribly . Infant mortality was a common problem. Families had to share clothes and terrible lung diseases were common and so were SDIs and alcaholism. And we had privilege ?
infant deaths & all the rest was hugely reduced when labour gained power, workers party for working people,,,privileged whites still look down on white/other workers
A think a black person living today in the UK or US wouldn't trade places with a *white* person living in the 1800s.
In a famil photo my great-great grandfather and his 6 sons, my great-grandfather among them, would not have felt very priviliged. All of them were hard grafting coal miners and when they came off-shift they did not look very white either!
"... people who only have just discovered things and presenting it as though everyone is as ignorant as them..."
Best line all year.
Describes 95% of most TH-cam channels ....
My grandfather, NOT my great grandfather, but my grandfather, attended a 1 room public school house during the winter months, barefooted. This was fairly common in America during that period of my grandfather’s childhood; many families could not afford to buy their children shoes. During the winter, in order to get to the schoolhouse, which was a mile or so away, he ran barefooted through the snow until he couldn’t feel his feet. He then stopped, dropped a board on the ground -a board that he had been holding inside his coat next to his body to keep it warm-and stood on top of the board until he could feel his feet again, and then he continued running through the snow toward the schoolhouse repeating the process until he reached it. My grandfather attended school until the eighth grade when he had to go to work full time on the farm. He never complained about his lack of education, and he always appreciated that he food to eat on a daily basis (many Americans were hungry or starving).
Douglas Murray is one of the few *_true_* Intellectuals left.
It's a similar thing with the accusations off suppressing historical truth, most times people come up to me with "we should have learned this in school" I can answer with "well, don't know what you were doing, but I did".
To be fair, during the 90s stuff like colonialism was generally omitted, because ultimately as a topic it’s far too broad. There’s a fundamental misunderstanding of what history lessons can and can’t practically cover. As soon as you get to a decent level, things get more specific, not broader. It was very much European history, as you would expect. Home rule in Ireland, Agricultural revolution, Italian and German reunification - things that overlapped with colonialism, sure, but they were very focussed topics, allowing students to get into the practicalities of history - sources, balance, bias etc etc. I would have loved a module on 1700’s West Indies or 1800s Virginia, but you can’t cover everything and arguably they aren’t more important or influential than the French Revolution or UK industrialisation. It’s not controversial for there to be an emphasis on European political and social history. No one is hiding history. People need to read more.
Yeah, it's the lazy idea that someone else has the duty to educate you, while you do no learning/ reading for yourself............then complain that you are totally ignorant!!
Go figure! 😉
@@brother1ray You got it!
@@wolfnipplechipsIn the 90's, we learned plenty about colonialism, here, in America. Down with the Britts! Heh, heh 🤗 🇺🇲 🇬🇧
If you are not white British your roots are somewhere else. Instead of berating us and trying to erase our history, there are plenty of heritage sites that will help you research yours. We live in the country where our ancestors lived for thousands of years. What is wrong with keeping our British history, values and culture alive.
Very well said. If you start using the term "indigenous" to describe British people in Britain, it will catch some attention.
I saw an article a while back that had the fact that in all of human history, there have been far more non-African slaves than black African slaves. One of the facts was that almost every American Indian tribe had at least some slaves taken from other tribes and after Europeans came, slaves of European ancestry.
even my Leftie friends would struggle to disagree here.
Do you have leftie friends?
@@drosophilamelanogaster3957 I do, for my sins. The creative-arts are natural companions to the progressive dreamer, the avant-garde, the vanguard, and they elevate all of us. However, they frustrate because they are without boundaries also, like staying away from the adult table!
Well said. I was/am a feminist, and my aim was not to denegrate men but to highlight women's voices of the past and present.
What does this mean in practice?
Didn't the ancient world have a lot of the heroine's journey in stories, myths and literature?
In the present, do you think that the UK has a partially toxic matriarchy? Does this explain the massive academic outperformance of females versus males in the UK? Far more than is seen in North America, Latin America, Africa, Asia for example?
What role do you think Prithi, Suella, Theresa May, Liz Trust, Kemi Badenoch, Penny Mordaunt play in the UK's current matriarchy?
How's your cats?
in practice that can mean acknowledging female scientists who had their work stolen or credited towards their husbands. @@AnAn___
Woman have enough of a voice in the west. They are being coddled now. Most men battle quietly through life without a so-called liberating representative.
What do people mean exactly - when they say, “I am a feminist.” I mean, an awful lot of people say it, but if you got them all together, I have a feeling that after a few pleasantries, they would all be shrieking at the top of their voices and trying to scratch each other’s eyes out - metaphorically.
Absolutely brilliant response. It is an equally absolute shame that the people who most need to hear it have lost their capacity for Reason, and thus never will.
My grandmother was widowed age 35 with 3 children under ten Her brother was a prisoner of war (ww2) and she was desperately impoverished. All three kids had to work as soon as possible; aunt was paid to help the telephone company get messages to households with no phone. Mom worked from age 14@ cannery. I’m first generation university graduate and my Privilege was to postpone work until age 16.
I have no patience for people who want to cry discrimination because they're only comparing themselves to the top 20% of the opposite gender, race etc. Discrimination will show itself to be a lot less powerful if you compare yourself to the ENTIRE gender or race.
Read the plight of the agricultural labourer in England after the enclosures to see how tough life could be. Education was only for the elite and elite women certainly did not want to work. Neither men nor women received education in the vast majority of people. Very few thought about it. They did think about getting 1 shilling and six pence a day for work instead of 1 shilling and 3 pence per day though. That was important.
You are so right. I've been going on about thas subject a lot recently. Also, in 1833 when the slave trade was abolished, another Act was implemented. This was the Factory Act which made it illegal for children under the age of nine to work in the mills and factories. Children between the age of nine and thirteen should not work more than 9 hours a day. Meanwhile, small children were on the streets from dawn to dusk selling watercress, flowers and matches, to make a few pennies. Children in rags and no shoes in bitter weather. Children starved in rural areas. Add the draconian poor laws and the iniquitous workhouses after 1834. I could go on and on. Some people seem to think we were prancing around in reency dress and going to balls after watching programms like Bridgerton.
Yes,the rural poor in particular were out of work in the winter and after the enclosure acts found it very hard to get sufficient wood to heat their cottage.Several schemes were tried to alleviate the distress such as the parish would rule that every household would employ a labourer for a day at an agreed price and the parish would make up the extra depending on the size of the family and the price of bread. Fixing wages was tried but that failed.When the vast sum of 20 million pounds was allocated to freeing slaves William Cobbet raised the question of support for the British poor first. He was anti slavery but made a point that in some ways the slaves were better off than the poor mainly because they had food and shelter security. This was more so when the unemployed labourer was not free to go to another village to find work because of the burden on the poor rates.Such people were taken back to their original place of abode.This compromised their freedom of movement.
This reminds me of all the talk about colonialism that simultaneously operates in complete ignorance of the 800 year occupation of Europe by North African Moors. History is long and messy indeed, selectively calling out parts of it to relitigate now is folly.
It's not colonialism when they do it. /s
Just like the Ottoman Turks spent 500 years invading Eastern Europe. but we don't talk about that.
More people need to sit down and talk like this... Accept how people feel, accept their beliefs and opinions, accept our differences but also all come together and say "this is humanity right now, this is the world right now.. There have been mistakes made in the past but we can't change that. We can acknowledge and learn from it. Let's work together on making the future greater..." The more we talk about these things, the more we prolong prejudiced, resentment and even hatred. The more we address these things and talk about these things the more they remain a problem. The more talk about how things such as equality, etc. affect us - the more are making others look unequal to us. Just focus on the person and not what makes them unequal because, in fact everybody is equal so by talking about their differences, you are making them look unequal to you. This entire topic is very difficult to talk about because talking about it only serves to further it.
The problem is that female, black etc. writers, composers and so on were not so much downplayed and forgotten about in the past, but that not many women, blacks etc. got to become these things in the first place. They were never given the opportunity, which is of course unfair, but it's something that can only be remedied for the present (and I think we're doing ok in that regard), not retrospectively. So when the woke types come and try to dig up all these supposedly erased minority artists they can't find many who were all that good and then want to bring in these 2nd and 3rd rate people into the canon and throw out the true greats just because they were white males. But the fact that women of his day generally didn't have the possibility to become composers and so we don't know what they would have been capable of does not make Bach's music any less brilliant or worh listening to.
Yes, you're right.
It can't be "remedied for the present" though and herein is one of the huge problems in this era. This misguided notion that you can somehow change the past by overcompensating in the present ...
Dragging the past into the present all the time is nothing more than bearing a grudge, and not least a grudge that is no one's right to bear, and no one's else's responsibility to take.
The past was shitty and brutal. We learned and improved as a species and it should be regarded as history, nothing more.
Yeah, White Man did not "give them the opportunity"... Now they all have not only the opportunity but are very aggressively promoted yet still no brilliant music nor literature. The whole subject is a part of overwhelming antiwhiteism and ugliness forced on us by the people were not supposed to mention.
But also... western societies (those emanating from Europe) are the most liberal, most inclusive as evidenced by any ranking on women's rights, gay rights, racial equality. These metrics are all high in western countries. In fact, the top 37 countries in the world as ranked by LGBT rights for example are all western or European diaspora. The 38th is Singapore... which was a British fortress in the far east and unlike it's counterpart across the Jahore peninsular (Malaysia) has full equality in law. Malaysia on the other hand has a constitutional 'voice to parliament' which gives extra rights to ethnic Malays (the majority) over others (such as ethnic Chinese), and discriminates in numerous ways against women and LGBT people. This is because there is no real separation of powers (a British invention) in Malaysia or any majority Muslim country for example. So... far from being the worst on these metrics western countries are in fact, the best. The strange thing is, I think everybody really, already knows this. If I asked someone - would you rather send your daughter go to boarding school in France or Saudi Arabia... only a fool would say Saudi Arabia... or Pakistan... or Malaysia... or Somalia... or Chechnya... or Afghanistan..OBVIOUSLY. We also know that if you had a gay son you'd advise him not to travel in most parts of Africa or any Muslim majority country. And yet we continue with this fantasy that there is a white male heterodoxy which is the worst thing in the world. The countries with the highest percentage white populations - Finland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Scotland, Iceland... are hardly hotbeds of wickedness. It's so boring hearing this un-evidenced, vague claim constantly made when it is precisely the opposite of the truth.
Western Muslim here. You are completely correct!
Yes, well written. I'm rather inclined to conclude that it's the very fact that these groups are so liberated in our territories that makes them bitch so much. You won't hear people complaining about the eastbound slave trade, as an analogy, because the Arabs castrated all the males to end their bloodlines, Not to mention making the women into sex slaves ... But hey, the westbound trade was the worst thing ever because I'm alive and can leverage it ...
They certainly wouldn't do this if it was like when the christian minority petitioned for better treatment in Malaysia and the muslims were hunting them down in the streets and beheading them. The ones that survived did so by hiding in the shit infested sewers ...
so well said.
800yrs of oppression we're still trying to get & move along together..We're not looking for reparations....Ireland
Rightly so, considering there are more people of Irish descent in Britain than there are in the whole of Ireland. The whole concept is ludicrous.
800 years of repression is nonsense. 800 years ago the powerful were Norman's. Some of them, having conquered England, went to Ireland where they soon intermixed with the constantly fueding Irish chieftains. At various times these Franko-Irish called on the King of England for assistance in their intra-Irish fueds, which came at a price - fielty to the English King which generally lasted a few years before the Franko-Irish chieftain broke his oath and rebelled. The rachet that this process created of pulling Ireland ever closer to England is of the making of the Irish chieftains.
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I want reparations too for the shite my ancestors put up with from effing everywhere
Well stated.
Thomas Sowell says, "The anointed ones" look at problems and set out to solve them, but make things worse...
When my grandfather's mother went to register his birth in 1893, she "Made her mark" - she was illiterate, as were many others. My dad was born in a cottage with no running water and an outhouse for a toilet ".... across the yard." I never heard them complain, in fact my dad was rather sad when the family cottage was demolished in the 1930's.
Everything that is being done is meant to separate people. When people are separated, they're easier to conquer.
This is going to sound crazy but I believe there is a concerted effort to sabotage the USA and other democratic countries by very real provocateurs. Some of these people know what they are doing and get paid for it. Others are just jumping on the bandwagon. These people are using the worse parts of human nature as their tools to cause dissension and hate. Unfortunately they are finding it easy to do. The countries will be much easier to overtake, they won't even have to "conquer".
You understand perfectly
An irish politician made a statement
recently in our Dail. She said that the irish people even though we were oppressed in our history that we dont realise how privileged we are and were because we are white.
Elites lecturing the peasants on how lucky they are to be peasants of such a generous Lord, is nothing new! 🤫
Someone needs to lose her seat in the next election; perhaps she could use her newly found free time in the reading room at the library searching for the (nonexistent) privilege that white skin afforded the peasants and working class in Ireland or any part of the British Isles
Never mind that Oliver Cromwell chap, you've got your whyte privilege, lol.
This is why Malcolm X believed in reparations not just for black people but for poor white people
A lot can be learned from his journey.
Worked from a young age. Paid my own bills. Put myself through college. Now I pay for other people's college, cars, mortgages. I feel so privileged. No wonder people do their best to use the system. All get and no give. And as a boost, you get to complain...constantly.
And yet here you are complaining.
@@Obscure462 Hardly. Pointing out that there a better, more orthodox way of getting by in life other than stealing from your neighbors.
@@b-radsadventures6846 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Do go on Karen.
@@Obscure462 It is like team blue has one mold and they just give each output a different name. lol
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I don't think I've ever heard Douglas Murray say something that I disagreed with, although I'd never be able to express my thoughts as eloquently as he does. Also, I love that the interviewer listened and let him talk, unlike the insufferable Cathy Newman.
1965 born, white. I started working at 13. My father the sole provider of 7 ppl. All us kids worked if we wanted extras. And half our pay went for rent to our dad. “Once you’re old enough, no one gets to live for free” he said. He himself was taken out of school at 13 and sent to work. I guess my “privilege”comes from my dad actually sticking around and seeing us raised. He didn’t just let us fall up.
Some great comments below. I think he was right about people not being as educated on history as they would need to be in order to comprehend that suffering is common to the human experience irrespective of the spotlight du jour. I think abandoning classical literature in schools has proven an incalculably massive detriment.
Very well said!
I was thinking exactly the same. In literature, you will find so many classics talking about social inequalities and poor living conditions in predominantly White societies. This literary movement was called realism.
Same with painting.
If anyone was truly interested, they could find them easily.
I don't think it's a coincidence that this is part of the woke ideology though. They constantly portray the past as if it were their idea of how the present should be - for example period dramas with groups of black people who simply weren't there ... The reason they do it, I think, is because if they showed the past how it actually was, people would compare it to the present and see how immeasurably better things now are. And how can one sustain victimhood based on the past when their present is so much better?
Brilliant!
I would have liked to hear more of this clip. Murray is the most articulate in how he synthesizes and analyzes information. He is captivating, and can hear more of him. I am so sick of this "White Privilege" BS talking point by the Left.
An average black american's monthly income is 4000EUR. Average monthly income in the wider Balkans is 600EUR.
I can't stop sobbing for the poor black Americans, really.
What about Islamic privilege in Great Britain? Specifically during Ramadan this year in London where it overlapped with Easter. Which religious holiday was getting all the attention from the media? Not Easter.
My forebears lived short lives of hard graft, poverty and disease. So no guilt here.....
Douglas is brilliant, reasoned, informed and super intelligent with a great brain.
All of this is based on victimhood. I never imagined the label of victim could be so intoxicating to so many. I hate discovering how naïve I can be at my age.
Such an ugly thing for a person to do to themselves, not least to inflict on others.
My ancestors were all labourers or farm hands. My father worked in a factory all his life. My mother left the workforce at 40 due to ill health. My high school was that bad that they demolished it not longer after I left. Most of the power in this country is in the hands of a privately educated, privileged few, who have had access to generational wealth and an established network that has given them opportunities that I could only dream of. Yet, as a working class man I am bundled in with them when privilege is discussed, and for what reason? Race or gender but often both. It's ridiculous. I have nothing in common with those kind of people except for those two protected characteristics. That screams discrimination to me. If you want everyone to have a good shot at making a better life for themselves, stop window dressing with a gay here, a black here, or a woman here because that's not true diversity or equality. After all, white working class men at top universites are actually now in the minority. Everything starts with class - your socio-economic background. Even before you are out of the womb your life chances can be closely predicted by what your mum or dad did for a living. It has nothing to do with race or gender - it's all about class, and the working classes include ALL races and ALL genders. So, why don't we start there instead of this awful pity party which is designed to divide us all?
I'm white Australian and have many privileges and consider myself extremely blessed. However, almost all my 'privilege' comes because my grandparents and great-grandparents who had nothing worked their arses off to build a better life for them and their children. Their children then did the same. And now I am trying to do the same for my children. It takes several generations, but if you work hard and get a bit of luck you can get 'privilege'. People these days act like it just comes out of nowhere or, worse, from oppression. Nope, not in my case. My ancestors suffered. And they were good people. One of my grandfathers - of British heritage - was born to Christian missionary parents in inland China in early 1900's. It was desperate conditions and three of his siblings died in their youth. He just survived and then made it to Australia as a teenager where he lived with a relative, trained in medicine (not before fighting Nazis in Egypt during WW2) and became a successful doctor, helping people for the next 40 years of his life. By the end of his life he had some money and a nice house and he gave his 6 children a good education. I read about his life (in journals he kept among other things) and 'privilege' or 'oppression' are the furthest words from my mind. He was tireless in working to serve others. He had a very hard life, but he was humble, and kind. I could go on about my other (white) grandfather (RIP) and tell a similar story of courage, service, sacrifice, and virtue. He fought the Japanese in Papua New Guinea in unthinkable conditions and had (undiagnosed) PTSD and depression his whole life as a result. He was as good as man as I think its possible to imagine. I think about them, and other ancestors of mine and what they endured to give me the life I now enjoy. I won't forget them. I won't forget their sacrifice. Ever.
I do believe there is such a thing as white privilege. White men have been responsible for the vast majority of scientific, technological and political progress in the last four centuries. As a result of this, majority white countries are current much nicer places to live than the majority of the world. Living in these countries gives you white privilege. There's also such a thing as majority privilege as people have a strong tendency to prefer and trust people similar to themselves. So, minorities in western countries do have white privilege, but they don't have majority privilege. They have the option to move back to the countries their ancestors came from, and once settled, they would then have majority privilege, but they would lose their white privilege in the process.
I like your take on this. At the moment White Privilege is being used as a pejorative, chased with a ream of modifiers like "Unearned" and "Generational Wealth" (which is only about 7% of Americans). All of it designed to paint literally ALL white people as a race of sheer evil in all that we do. And there is no end in sight. This is designed to be a perpetual problem that is never solved. The fact that most of the poor in America are white doesn't make a dent in their "privilege" according to the grief mongers.
It's amazing to me the way this stuff keeps coming back. We have a few years of peace and then it's off to the race wars again.
I wouldn’t sat that only white men were responsible for most of the scientific, technology, audible, etc. progress in the last centuries
There are many people in Asia, such as Japan and China that invented many important things, such as the bullet train in Japan, many other technology improvements, China, invented fireworks and many other things.
I would agree that it’s usually the men in the past that invented the scientific and technology things such as cars, etc. usually because the women are kept too busy in their home, raising children and cleaning since 100 more years ago there wasn’t so many appliances to make things easier for housework
And when women actually have childbirth I am pregnancy to take away a lot of their energy and then have to take care of children, for at least two decades, some more because there wasn’t birth control, or their husband didn’t want them to use it, then that usually keeps a woman from having extra time to invent things. There has been exceptions, but usually a woman is unmarried, or has money from the previous husband that died.
@@enjoystraveling I only claimed the last four centuries. There was a time when other civilisations were more far advanced than Europe, it's only for the last four centuries where the vast majority of significant advances have occurred in western countries. From the 8th to 12th century, one would have had Islamic privilege for living in the Islamic world.
I love this guy.
Women are not "a minority".
We used to talk about "disadvantage" and lifting people up from it to the place where they can participate in and enjoy what others enjoy. It was never really identified with any one people group or another (although at certain times and places for practical reasons some were the focus of attention). It had a wholly positive motivation in my experience/observation - peaceful, kind and caring - wanting to lift people up out of their disadvantage.
Now we talk about privilege. It is entirely focused on one race and one sex/gender. It is mostly about pulling people or a group down. It has a wholly negative motivation - angry and bitter at other people having what you don't have. So you want to bring them lower - sometimes even wanting to destroy them completely.
Focusing on specific, and irrelevant, parts of it...
Every point of "white privilege" is cultural, not racial. Go to school. Get a job. Stay with your wife. Read books. Don't murder your babies. Anybody can do these things and win a good life.
Agree... plus birth control or family planning. No 4 5 or 6 kids living in poverty ... then blaming white priviledge
I grew up eating only bread for six days and on Sunday a cooked meal. I was abused to such an extend that I tried to run away at night sleepwalking. My sister once told me she woke up, me screaming and running in circles on the lawn while my dad chased me and apparently it happened many times. I can not remember a single night just sometimes waking up walking in the dark and don't know how I got there. We did not get xmas or birthday presents. I went to school beaten black and blue and nobody seems to be bothered by it, yet every black person in South Africa accused me as a being white privileged person and that I stole their land etc. I grew up being told that I am ungrateful and that I owe my parents a lifetime of gratitude and I ruined their life. Now I own black people land that I stole from them. I grew up being ashamed of who I am and apparently I should also be ashamed of my ethnicity.
I love that the interviewer is letting him actually speak his thought and not arguing with him
There are countless examples of how for example Britain's Victorian white working and poor classes, were trapped in lifelong cycles of poverty, neglect, disease and suffering. And even today these things exist. These people come from generations of poverty, and hard graft. They were barely, if at all, privvy to the trappings of wealth that high social class or elite white Britons got. In the same way that many black African tribal leaders and elites failed to share wealth with their own black people.
The term 'white privilege' is about as daft and ignorant as it gets. It fails to take into account the full picture. It just cherry picks the parts it wants. But you can find those same parts in every culture and country around the world.
He's a right, a 100% because talking about white people and black people. That's just an American thing. I mean, most white people. We don't really understand what white is because most of us are from multiple nationalities in our family history like myself, I have 4 different nationalities, German Scottish Irish and english all came here at different times in order for my 2 parents to somehow be born. And me and have me as a child for me to exist.So I'm sorry I'm not apologizing for anything.Especially being told about white privilege that I have no idea what that even means.Most white people don't who you think are.White, why doesn't mean anything?My culture means everything
This generation is so obsessed with the past it's nauseating
I had a lecture like this from an upper middle class feminist talking about my white male privilege growing up on an inner city council estate in Manchester.
If she's demanding a more honest look at things historically with regards to ethnic minorities... does she really want to go there with the lens of honesty??
Saying "White Privilege"IS racism. .The second that you take an entire group of people who are completely different in a billion ways and say that they all have privilege due to the fact that there that their skin is white ..is the very definition of racism.
stereotyping a group and applying a generalized label to all of them when you when they're all completely different...
you don't know anyones background, or upbringing, or experience, or anything about them or anyone but now you're going to generalize as having had privilege due to nothing but skin colour ?that IS racism.
Using other bad examples of what people did that was wrong...kkk,Jim crow,nazis isn't an excuse to do the same thing now. discrimination today to atone for discrimination of the past.
Yes, it's the literal definition. It's so contradictory to their agenda that they've been busy trying to rewrite the definition with nonsense like 'systemic' and notions like it's impossible for black people to be racist.
This whole woke movement is rotten with this bizarre conflation back and forth between the concept of the individual and the concept of the group. This person is accountable for their whole group, but I am not for mine. Ok. That makes sense. So white people need to feel ashamed that someone who looked a bit like them did something bad 300 years ago, but you are not responsible for all the criminals in your group who are alive and making people miserable today?
So Jim Crow , Neo Nazism , KKK, they showed this consideration?
@Mateo_Vert Discrimination today....to atone for the discrimination of yesterday
.. isn't a good model of how to behave...are you saying we should think like..Jim crow, neo nazis, and the kkk?
@@claytonlambourne7545 these organizations still exist in America today 🤦🏿♂️...hell Peyton Gendron in 2022 shot and killed 10 African Americans intentionally not shooting Caucasian during a Livestream on twitch with a manifesto rooted in anti black rhetoric..hmm I wonder where he got those ideas 🤔
White privilege is not really about "white" but about class. The privilege is who have to most wealth and advantages which in a largely white country are the whites but somewhere like Saudi Arabia it's the dark skinned people. It's not only the winners who write history but also those with the most money and power.
Pre WW4 there was much poverty and ill health in England , just have to read Catherine Cookson novels to see. 🤷♀️
Very clear and intelligent thinking verbalized by the brilliant Douglas Murray.
Douglas is a brilliant teacher. I respect him deeply. He so elegantly delivers rapier sharp logic that hits the bullseye! He’s among the brilliant with whom I would love to spend a day.
My thoughts, fix it. It is already there so why don't we fix the sea wall, letting the building fall into the ocean is so much worse.
The sea wall can't be fixed. The LORD said, "Stay away from the coastlines, they will be taken by the sea". Millennium prophecies delivered in the 90s.
The lies that keep being repeated on this subject. The top sportsman during WW2 was a black man Joe Louis. The highest earning sportsman of the 60’s and 70’s another black man Muhammad Ali. The highest earning actors in the prewar period were all women. The record charts which started in about 1950 were full of black acts. Some of these acts were multiracial. White and black, white brown and black. Freddie Mercury of Queen was an Indian. Shirley Bassey is mixed race. Engelbert Humperdinck is another Indian. Our early 1970’s Tory leader Edward Heath was very likely gay. The Liberal leader whose name escapes me was. I employed black and Asian workers 40 years ago. The current top earning footballer is black. Pele the world’s greatest ever player was black. I think my memory serves me correctly but a black actress won an Oscar for Gone With The Wind. The top selling female artists of all time were the Supremes who were black. Stop with the lies.
Bingo, all of this crap is being manufactured out of thin air. The Oscar went to Hattie McDaniel. I've been to Margaret Mitchell's house!
All one offs - now provide the broader statistics, with mean & variance - & they will show up your exceptions to the rule, as being far from the rule. Joe Louis & Muhammad Ali are commonly accepted as the greatest heavyweights of all time - is it surprising that they were well paid? Is that what a black has be for a good salary - be the greatest of all time?
You obviously know nothing about math - let us see what you know about sport. Do you have any idea of the appalling pre-conditions James Braddock forced on Joe Louis, in order to defend the title against him? They are legend even in the era of Mafia run boxing. Louis ended his days as a Vegas doorman - because he had spent his lifetime being cheated. Yes 'Cinderella Man' - I mean YOU not your ugly sisters.
Wow, that was a perfect articulation of my take on modern identity politics.
Bill Corey, one of South Australia’s last Rats of Tobruk, turned 100 years of age in 2017 and was well celebrated in the media at the time. Bill was one of four boys and said when interviewed on TV that, when they were growing up in the 1920s and 30s “we didn’t have much money, but we didn’t need it, there was nothing to buy”!
When I was younger a girlfriend I had at the time, Jenny, was asked by a friend she hadn’t seen for a while, how she was going. Her reply “not too bad in these tough times”. That was in 1978, 46 years ago! That begs the question, when was it ever NOT “tough times”?
History was messy for everyone. Some groups are still under the weight of societal and industrial discrimination.
Working class people **HAVE** figured prominently in ancient literature and stories. A lot of ancient literature and stories are about the hero's journey; or someone or a group of people becoming self actualized.
BULLCRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Never written by the working/ illiterate class themselves though, which was Murray's point!
@@josephr.gainey2079 Story of Jesus. Story of Mohammed. Both were born in extreme poverty. Can give you thousands of examples from asian literature that you might not be familiar with
In fact, the rise of someone from deep poverty and adversity is a large part of the hero's or heroine's journey.
The journey for purpose, goodness, greatness or self-actualization by poor people is a story as old as time.
"Never written by the working/ illiterate class themselves though, which was Murray's point!" Strongly disagree.
Eventually the poor or illiterate becomes the hero, or heroine and literate. And **THEY** write the stories in many cases. Although not in every case.
Of course, you can argue that later in life, they are no longer poor and illiterate as they once were.
The Ramayana is written by Valmiki, a very poor jungle boy thief. The Mahabharata was written by Veda Vyaasa, the son of a fisherwoman.
Both Valmiki and Veda Vyaasa rose to greatness and feature prominently in the stories they wrote.
Mohammed was illiterate, but composed the Koran and made many profound statements called "Hadiths."
Ali grew up poor but said many great statements that transformed the world. Such as one of my favorites" "be as the flower that shares fragrance with the hand that crushes it."
Charles Dickens did just that in the Victorian England. Samuel Clemons, writing under the pen name, Mark Twain, wrote numerous stories and books about the same era in the U.S.
There are many others but those were the first two people who essentially learned to write as reporters later expanding into books.
@@TTFN55 Thousands of other examples in ancient literature from around the world.
A poor person facing great adversity rising, becoming self-actualized and becoming a heroine or hero is a story as old as time. Repeated with thousands of flavors.
Self righteousness is an addicting intoxicant that becomes evident as dangerous only when we become aware of the pain we create for others
When someone sees differences in wealth amongst different ethnic groups, a simple minded person will only see oppression and be angry , whereas a brighter person will examine multiple perspectives and stay calm.