VW e-Up short review and range tests
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ย. 2018
- Results:
90 km/h, 56 mph: 100 km/62 mi, 156 Wh/km, 251 Wh/mi
120 km/h, 75 mph: 75 km/47 mi, 206 Wh/km, 332 Wh/mi
40 km/h, 25 mph: 97 Wh/km, 156 Wh/mi
Capacity: 18.7 kWh gross and 15.6 kWh net during this test
Charging speed: About 35 kW
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We have more than 100 of these in Sofia, Bulgaria. They are part of the fleet of an electric car sharing company called Spark. It costs 0.33 Bulgarian Lev per minute (less than 0.17 euro). It is cheaper than a taxi. You can also rent it for 24 hours for about 29 euro. VW e-UP is super easy to drive and it is a great car for the city.
I am a foreign student in Sofia and I am also thinking of getting one (spark) for a few hours
I was at Nebbenes at the same time as you! I looked over and though to myself "who's that crazy guy in a eUp driving long distances, probs Bjørn lol." Little did I know ;/
Doesn't EVEN have soft close doors. Haha, made my day...
Supid comment by his side. It is not a S class lol and also he did not have a clue how to open the rear windows. Amateur...
Hei Bjørn! My parents own an E-up! (the better looking pre facelift-version) from 2013. They (and me) have now driven over 100 000 kms in it, and it has been a great car for us. It is in my opinion the best small city car that you could buy. They are quite reliable, and the drivetrain is very solid. Fun to drive as well.
This summer, In drove it from Kragerø to Trondheim, a distance of 700km. (It took 10 charge stops and 13 hours :P ) I got an average of around 11 kwh/km on that long trip. I would say in city speeds and up to 80 you can get it below 11 as well. Problem is that the heater uses a lot of power, so comfortable winter driving really impacts the range. Luckily, the average CCS charging speed is higher than all other cheap EV's at the moment (40kws, but consistently).
I have frequently driven it on longer trips around 300 kms earlier with no problems. If it had around 300km of range, it would be perfect in my eyes. It is like the modern EV equivalent of a 2CV or a Fiat Panda. A simple, no nonsense, efficient car with fun handling.
kristenburnout1 same here. In my opinion the retro interior on the PRE facelift Model is some of the coolest on the market. The new version is not as nice. Very good and fun car.
kristenburnout1 i love the way you can see painted metal on the doors, feels so classic, kind of like a VW Bug
The old 2012 to 2016 steering wheel is nicer. The taillights on the new one looks out of place. The front is okay on the new.
You properly meant an average of 11 kWh/100 km, and not 11 kWh/km :-)
@@Aikaramba12 personally i think the new steering wheel doesn't look as cheap, and it has wheel control.
The small screen looks good too.
Great review as usual! Also I must say I love your driving Bjørn, using indicators (also in the roundabout) and using the right lane when possible!
Norwegian, why?
I managed to get 160 km in winter in ECO+ mode when driving in the city at 5,5 °C outside temperature. I drove the battery to 0%. Then on the CCS charger I charged 14,8 kWh to 100% in 32 minutes. 80% was in 18 minutes (11,82 kWh). The GOM (guess-o-meter) shows usually 144 km when fully charged, once it showed 151 km.
energy records and info are detailed, accurate and informative. your efforts shall be credited. thank you
The updated version of this car should arrive next year with double the battery size and lower price. The Skoda Citygo version should cost "up to" EUR 20000. Knowing VW, it's hard to believe.
Maybe "up to" is a bad wording. :) It's WV, read it as "starts from".
I paid 13,500€ for the fully loaded e-Up 🙃👌.
Savige96 well, it's a good price. I my country VW not even selling the e-up and Citigo e iV _is_ ~19.5k EUR, but it's sold out for the year.
I drive an EcoUp! and the car is very practical because it is shaped like a box. We managed to do several road trips with four people an luggage and because it takes CNG it is very cheap to drive.
I just love it and want to have it soooooo bad....
The TBTP is really really interesting
Bjorn.... should you worry about battery cooling when the outside temperature was around -4C? We in Malaysia and Thailand usually drive around with the ambient temperature in the region of 30C.
Another useful video, Bjorn.
In winter I've experienced similar results, but when its 10 - 15 degrees or more I manage around 130 - 140km city/outside of city 90km/h
I drove this car a few times. I think it is a good car for only city use, but if you regularly want to do anything more than just city driving it is not that good.
Totally agree, very practical in the city. After you use it several times you understand you normally don't need more as a daily city car. Very easy to park with this size, a big + for this. The battery is enough too (don't nedd bigger one) as most of people i know go less then 40 km a day, if you can charge at home it is very very comfortable and if need juice you can still go for a fast charge.
My main problem is with interior. I don't mind the hard plastic but other things like the key instead of the button start, the former gear selector eating up all the precious space in the middle, no good cup holder, hand brake in the middle without a box on top of it and not enough space for putting your small things, that is essential for a city car. The small screen for camera as Bjorn noticed etc. These things can be really annoying in the everyday usage.
simong1261 agreed, we Own one of these, a Tesla X and two fossils, that’s all you need. We dont even use our fossils anymore.
@@Aikaramba12 You probably paid more Car tax than some Americans here did for their entire houses!!
Andy Kr yeah i have, but generally we earn a lot more over here, so after tax, people still generally earn more. I have a good job and earn more than i need, so i am very pleased.
I like the analog gauges, they are easy to read and I guess they are not cheaper than a screen of a similar size.
As for infotainment it would be great if there was Android Auto / Apple car play. support.
Digital gages are much more accurate and easier/faster to read.
Nice :) Thanks for testing e-up :) In Greece I am getting much better consumtion numbers in city drive. We drive as you say tipical e-up drive always at eco+ mode like hypermiling hehehe and we manage yearly average 10.7kwh/100km!
Great but easier in greek temperatures :)
@@alessandropetta7795 yes Greece is better fo ev's
Drive south and go on holliday near the RIMAC facrory to visit it, maybe visit KREISEL too.
We own a pre facelift e-Up and I can confirm the results to be similar, in winter the range @ 130km/h is about 80km, in summer about 110km. Best is to drive in Eco mode and in B (max regen). If you floor it it will not limit your power even in eco mode unless you are below 8km of range left, it will then slow down and squeeze a surprising amount of left over juice out of the battery making the range it show it has left relatively reliable for you to make it to a charger. Summer or winter never noticed any limitation on "overheating" even when joyriding my own car :D
Driving 60km to work I would have to plug it in on a slow charger twice a day, with my Model S 85D I am now down to one slow charge session once every 3 days.
It looks to be a rather neat "to work" car, small and nimble for shorter drives
Hello Bjorn, do you use any app for monitoring your e-up? Can you check battery healt using obd? Is it possible to manage desired battery lvl when charging and to set the ac/heater to work on set time? Thanks
Absolutely in agreement, small city car without luxury; but considering that the new 2020 version has a range of about 250km and after incentives it costs about 17k EUR... I see it as a clear winner for the low-price market.
Also, the UP! was designed from the beginning to fit bot ICE and EV powertrains.
Why do you Bjon laugh at manual handbrake, thats the best thing for handling car in winter, cant do it with small gage they make now, you should learn to love it,! ;)
He also keeps complaining about cars with analogue gauges and not having display instead.
I actually rent it this car couple times in Bratislava, Slovakia and in winter its like this, but in spring, summer and fall I have average consumption around 13,5 KWH when going around 90km/h and using eco mode. So really 130 - 140 km is really possible in this car when its not too cold.
Thanks for the winter test with -2°C. The car seems to do fine. What I would like to know is how such a car would behave in an mountainous area. Do you think the recuperation while going down would neutralize - at least a bit - the higher consumption while going uphill?? I would appreciate your comment on this.
You’ll get around 80% of your energy back when going downhill 😉
I kind of like the simplicity. Nothing wrong for us poor folks who eat from garbage cans and can only afford basic ev.
Pretty blue color. I remember you reviewing this. It's awkward but a interesting car. So tiny.
ERR 39 on a Tritium Veefil RT, is the 3 phase power is not detected.
Ehi Man!! Thanks …Thanks a lot for this kind of video. Oh first sorry for my English. I'm Italian! I'm looking forward to get a new little city car and specially I was looking for this "Up" and a consideration …I'd like to be there in cold Oslo!!!
Bjorn, is there any chance you could include mpkwh in your calculations please?
1260 kg (lets say 1180 without driver) is heavy as a rock for this pocket car, i think the petrol version is around 840. As a city car it makes perfect sense with 100 km range, now you can buy these used from 12K euros.
It's still nice
Btw, Bjorn, could you please test the different regen modes? There are 4 modes selectable with the "gearbox" lever.
1 is lowest, 3 is highest. And 4 is even higher if you push brake pedal.
@@bjornnyland right! Additionally „b“ breaks if sou lift your foot from the acceleration pedal, including turning on the lights in the back 😁👍
E dash up exclamation point.
Great video as always, Bjørn. A question: The «B» shown in the top right corner of the display, doesn’t that indicate that you have pulled the gearlever back for max recuperation? And this again means that the car is braking? At least that is the case on my old e-up:) again thanks again for the great content.
B mode means that I can use brake pedal to activate more regen. Works like this in many EVs.
@@bjornnyland I'm not sure about the e-Up! but on my GTE the B mode regenerates when you lift off the go pedal, whereas D mode does not (except if travelling downhill)
@@bjornnyland nope, „b“ means it brakes when lifting the acceleration paddle 😉
Could you completely rip out the back seats for extra cargo space?
Up! was designed as both EV and fossil fuel car. Bat since the car is so small, the battery is small as well. To be fare petrol tank in fossil version is only 30L. But it had full size spare wheel though.
I used to drive petrol version of it. Bought it £8700 brand new. Electric one is £22000 right now.
Does the new e-Up have battery cooling?
soft doors on vw eup? What is your problem?
Nice car
Hi Björn. You mebtioned Spain.. feel free to come to Barcelona.. I have a sunny place for you and and EV to do some test. . have fun !
E-up has got same sanyo/panasonic cells as 24 e-golf, but connected 102s2p instead (golf 88s3p).
And drivetrain is similar to golf, but with shorter stator/rotor.
Thank you for the review. ;)
Thanks for the info.
www.greencarcongress.com/2013/09/20130911-vw.html
As I see it this is a good option when you are considering buying a cheap second hand EV vs a new e-UP for city driving use since this should have the same range vs a 2012 Leaf for example.
Please search a place with snow and perform some cheap-ev handbrake turn, this would be fantastic
If it's like the gas model then the ESP can't be shut off :/
That made it quite annoying to drive in the winter because it'd cut power with any slip and make some hills hard to climb.
There may be a secret way, I just used the ESP button.
Sheeiiiiiiiiit 😂
That was a great video
Sadly, the new one seems to charge slower (can't hold 40 kW as long) even though it has a bigger battery.
I think cheap plastic covering that metal on the doors would not make it feel any more premium. Nice color on that car!
Nice car, I guess, and cheap. Driving an electric car for some distance seems like a hassle though. You have to plan ahead and wait a lot for charging. I think I'd rather take the train or a bus. For short rides to and from home, it's fine. Great video.
i look forward to new skoda and seat version of this, they have bigger battery and are cheaper so be almost 300km range
In reality probably about 240-300 in urban conditions. But probably not more than 150-180km at 120-130kph
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That wouldn’t even get me to work and back!
Really nice for the city, hope price comes down to 15k.
21000€, it just dropped 4000€. Few years back price was 27000€ in Belgium.
Now VW claims to build an ev for half the price of an model 3. Curieus when and if possible
I really have issues with Volkswagen-group itselv, especially Wolkswagen and Audi. But they do make some brilliant products even with a gun to the head.
Will you race this against the Smart EQ forfour?
They have 22kW AC
Racing against Mitsubishi iMIEV / Peugeot iOn / Citroen C-zero would make more sense. These have CHAdeMO fast charge.
You have to try Portugal to see the sun. You will be surprise there with electric car fans and Tesla Fans.
This would be an optimal car for me, to going to the workplace then home. 30-35km a day.
Maybe the charging stations should not allow the charger to work unless they park correctly so ignorant owners don't block other people!
11:21 very fossil style key:)
You want to go to Spain because has nice and warm weather and I want to go to Norway because it's cold haha
In the Croatian is 6 degrees, come in the summer.
4:12 Full battery ? Ja ! Full !
😊👍
smart fortwo EQ when?
New microphone?
Audio isn’t as good as usual when you were outside the car
+ian2802911 Same one as before.
Sunset at 15:43, you're lucky you don't live in Tromsø, the sun sets at on 11:45am November 28th and you don't see it again until January 15th!
Flyt hvis du er træt af det.
Jeg bor ikke der, men jeg elsker å besøke.
Only 88km to 100% battery to 15%???
Bjorn - what’s the cost of this city car?
Its not cheap....
it starts at 22’975eur in germany (this includes the german 19% vat). better wait until next year :)
and it was EUR 26000 just a mont ago
Renault Zoe at 29k€ (Germany) has three times the range (41 kWh), efficient heat pump type heater and battery cooling. And it the "Q" variant charges at 30-40 kW AC Type2.
starting from £25k in the uk, waay too much for so little, i'd consider it at £15k.
Can you test fiat 500e?
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"its very basic in here " says the Tesla owner. I nearly spat my coffee over my keyboard.
+Tayeb McCabe Once you try a Tesla you will understand what I mean.
@@bjornnyland : yeah my comment was a bit of fun, I hope to test the Tesla X or Y, and the iPace. Thanks for the reply.
I’ve owned some basic cars but never one with nooooo soft touch or all hard
WTF! it's the same price as the Leaf in the UK but way under specced by comparison. O.o
He said long trips 😂
”Har inte ens soft-close” är du seriös haha? Det är en bil för ca 140000sek egentligen, bara att den är eldriven.. om du inte visste:)
Haha, it was a joke obviously.
Aha haha
Yes,hammer it to croatia
1:08 long trips? Yeah right
you forgot to turn off side mirror heaters, everybody in vw has them on all the time LoL
Manual hand brake!!! Why is it called a handbrake if we're surprised it's manual?
how to make a long trip when the car range is 120 khm???
@@CubbyTech yea but many Dutch ppl use a city car like this to go holidays to south of France , over 1000km. Now im just talking about the size of the car ( not on ev). But they exist. Read a story with an i3 .
And what´s the price of this office clerk bum shifter?
+/- 20k euros..
Is not cheap...
@@RHDM. Thanks for your reply. I am in Uruguay and estimate it would cost around $34K to the public which (considering range) makes it hard to sell.
The range is nearly the same as the much cheaper Citroën C-Zero.
That backup camera is a pointless addition 😆
It's a car for the lower end of the market. Not everyone can afford a Tesla.
Low number of chargers in Croatia... Would not recomand.
You are expecting so much for a litle car
+Stefan Jovanovski It costs more than a Leaf.
This is quite awful considering it goes more or less close to the same range of a I-Miev. And the I-miev is by now almost a decade old...congrats Volkswagen.
Wow... I am stunned. The efficiency is so poor for such a small car. These fossil conversions to electric are so not optimized. Today I drove 250 miles in 2 to 6 C weather up and down mountains with 5 ppl, heater to 20C and still averaged 330 Wh/mi in Model 3 LR RWD.
Opel is efficient
It was cold outside
From just £25,640.00...bargain! You'd buy this over a Zoe ZE40 because?....
Why you laugh at manual handbrake?
I hope that next year's Škoda e-Citigo will be better than..... well, ummm..... this uhhh..... CHEAP-ASS LOW-RANGE THING.
i am just hoping for the range ... it will ofc be cheap-ass ... i had a 55kW 4 door style trim and it is a pretty neat little car even in the fossil version :D
I really hope that the Citigo will have longer range than this one. I have a Citigo right now, and would absolutely buy the e-version, if the range is good enough.
you can't roll down the rear windows. no arm rest for driver. this is a joke. it is even cheaper than the versions we have in brazil, that are strip down to the bones
That should be named ePolo.
Juho Peltola
it’s much smaller.
Is smaller than polo!
so e-fox/lupo then.
Nothing wrong with conventional.
100 Km range? Herbert Diess is in trouble..
@Tabea Klettner That is not an excuse for such poor economy figures.
@Tabea Klettner hahaha cmon! That's not true. The european version has a 35L fuel tank. Even IF you only get about 15km/L out of the car, that makes for about 500km. Even my 2002 Yaris could easily get 16-17 km/L .
$37,000 USD and it has key start, cheap interior and doesn't even have digital speedometer. Pay $10k more you got yourself a nice SUV.
They actually lowered the price to around 22.000 euros these days. Still, not a great deal even at that price. Id rather get an I-miev for way way less.
you can have a digital Speedo via central display
nissan horrible..up! great car
Ahhh VW. The company that charges you 625€ for a DC chargeport extra on an EV. Ridiculous.
You cant even go on long trips 90km range
A mati
Quick math...BUM!
So not a fan of VW and their antiquated displays. I guess if the price is right, but they just seem so far behind the curve of EVs right now.
Chris Watkins I like it more than the display theater in a Zoe. 😉 Anyway you can choose an Active Info Display from Polo upwards. That’s tech enough. And Iam sure they will make another step forward with the ID/Neo and Golf 8 next year.
Mr. Zeettt I suppose to each their own, and I imagine there's a market for the analog displays. Just not for me and my preferences.
With at least somewhat useful extras to make a somewhat modern car, it's ~27k € in germany.
@@chriswatkins18 I have a Golf GTE and I do like the analogue gauge power meter, but would prefer a digital speedometer (you can have it on the centre screen, but not with economy information)
Thomas Oldbury yeah a digital cockpit is helpful with an hybrid like the GTE. Especially with the different drive modes.
Sorry to say, but what a piece of crap in today's market. I would say it's a better deal to just get a used leaf for next to nothing. if anyone is considering buying this car, just save up a couple of months and get something that has longer range.
Horrible little car but honestly most people dont drive more than 60km per day so it's a good little cheap EV