The conversation about forgiveness is so important. I gotta say that the most moving, powerful acts of forgiveness that i saw (on tv) was when the family members of the victims of the Charleston Church shooting faced Dylan Roof, the man who had slain their loved ones in cold blood, they said to him that they forgave him. This wasn't years after the murders, this was right after, right when the tragic loss was raw and more painful than I could ever imagine. They were true Christians, this was so powerful, in the midst of such a profound tragedy.
@@mkrock9402 hi,hoping you're well and all is ok in your part of the world Yes his guests are interesting aren't theyo.like watching because I'm watching a good conversation.stay safe. ✌️🇭🇲
Hey Michael thanks for all you do, I’m a Correctional Officer in Northern Ontario, Canada, I love your podcast and I’m so glad that you cover all kinds of of topics, I don’t judge anyone cause it’s not my job, just keep doing what you’re doing, it helps people to make the right decision in life, for me it’s so informative, thank you for your apostolate, may the two hearts bless you and your family
I watched a few docs on his story and being a biker and a friend 5 decades ago that was a member of the Angel's and got burned with his bike by a rival group... I respect both sides for multiple reasons... Luv your POD🇺🇸DOCS✊️
@@AdzyLoCaL1 - He listens and lets the guests talk and gets the best out of them. He also understands the criminal mindset and knows where to lead the interview. In this interview, he immediately knew the fake murder with photographs would be a massive red flag and pushed him to admit it was a bad idea. Michael stuck with it asking him more but Jay doesn't tell the full story. He actually lies. I've seen the uncovered recording of what happened. He had a camera set up in his trailer. He showed them the photographs and bloody Mongol vest. He then left the room as he wanted to see what they said on tape with him gone. The two Hells Angels looked at each other and said "he's an undercover cop". He completely blew his cover and the investigation ended. He also doesn't say here that the case completely fell apart and no one was convicted of a crime. So the entire uncover operation achieved nothing.
for sure - love his stories. Don't agree with his politics, but other than that, I could listen all day long. He's lived a pretty amazing life, and I do admire his business acumen.
@Andrew-nh5zg you know they ended the case early, because some Hell's Angels were going to eliminate a small gang called the Solo Angels that the HA thought were encroaching on their territory. The SA were actually all UCs, but the HA didn't know that. Not something you can really lay at Jay's feet. I believe it's around 52 indictments, 200 illegal guns seized, and a few convictions. Nothing on the scale of what they were trying to accomplish, but not exactly nothing either.
Everybody wants to picture the HELLS ANGELES as a terrible MC club that does bad things, but nobody wants to remember all the good things that they do, and they do a lot. I've known the chapter where I'm from since the 70's and they saved my life from a stalker and when the people were tearing down statues around the USA, they took a stand in our community and stood watch 24/7 to make sure that didn't happen and it didn't. I am always a proud 81 supporter, and I can still go to that chapter today and I've been married to a judge for 30 years, and they still welcome me.
George Christie gave the most accurate explanation. The Hell's Angels is not a criminal organization, but does have criminals as members. Dobbins under cover work never resulted in any convictions. His only victory in court was when he used the ATF.
I hear ya, I found out years ago a family member of mine way back was involved with a certain 3 letter organisation that is known for their extreme racism. When asked about that he said he and his people never gave any racist stuff, those guys were the ones, let's say you're a drunk, you're beating your wife, not feeding your kids etc, these guys are going to have a member or two have a talk with you, if you didn't take that to heart and straighten up, then they're going to show up to your farm one night, and you're going to go for a little ride with these guys off to one of their farms, and depending on what you've done, they're going to do something between scarring the heck out of you by showing you what they do to jackasses by letting you witness someone else getting a "tune-up" to you being the guy who gets the ever living shit beaten out of him while someone else gets to watch. They beat a guy who's been roughing his wife up, beat the absolute brakes off this guy, but didn't touch his hands cos he was a cotton farmer and they wanted him to be able to pick cotton, use tools etc, but they beat him, broke a few ribs, beat him with a big leather strap from head to toe, and told him under NO uncertain terms they better not ever see a single bruise or mark on his wife or any of his kids, he better hope to God nothing accidental ever happened to them because he would be delt with very harshly. They then sent him to another guys farm for a few days to recover so his wife and kids didn't see him like that. In the mean time the guys went to his farm daily to take care of things that need to be taken care of. The guys wives helped out and checked in the wife and kids, helped her get her place in order and kids helped. Apart they made a believer out of the guy and keeping a check on him straightened things out because there weren't any more problems. On the other hand he related a story where they'd had a "Friendly discussion" with a guy who was a problem and he didn't get the point and went home and roughed his wife up again and well.... That guy got tuned up "all the way" and that was that. It was a community self policing itself kind of thing, at least for them. Not a racist thing.
The ATF is an absolutely DISGUSTING agency that should be abolished, they seek to deprive citizens of their second amendment rights by any means necessary.
Fascinating interview I don't know how he pulled that off and remained sane! I love hearing from both lawenforcement and ex criminal points of view. This is a great youtube channel Micheal has created!
I have seen Jay before and read his book. Michael, when you say interesting life, you could not be more accurate. Great interview. Your history adds a unique perspective especially when talking with guys like Jay and Joe.
I'm a dude who likes to make my own decisions but anyone can get caught up in all sorts of things , but it's what you do with your knowledge about the life experience you have , great content bro , I'm liking the videos so far watching from my recliner in Scotland .
At about 17 mins God started to speak deeply to me gentlemen! Your unabashed humility in the face of what some would call success is moving beyond words. True followers of Jesus thanks
Love you ,and your humanitarian attitude always ,watch you and your marvellous guest .Iam from the U K ,70 yrs old but funky and eyes wide open love Joy xxx👍👍⭐️💯
Great interview Michael, I’ve always wanted to ask Mr. Dobyns a question, do you know how I would get in contact with him? Also you should interview Billy Queen who infiltrated the Mongols MC, he has one heck of a story
In Jay's book "No Angel" he admitted that outside of the murder of the women the crimes being committed by the Angels were mostly small time and petty. Frankly, the government wasted money on "Black Biscuit". The HA also dispute that Jay was made a full patch member informally. Sonny Barger angrily denied that claim by Dobbins in an interview. I believe only the chapter has to vote you in. It doesn't make sense for every Angel throughout the world to vote for a member since the vast majority would not know him like the local chapter.
Lotta the time, you pay a fee they’ll make you a member … I’ve heard about it happening in several clubs the outlaws, pagans etc. so if I had to guess Dobbins prob paid some money while he was a prospect they said ok your a member and gave him his rocker bypassing the vote cause he paid … then after it all came out he was undercover they wanna deny they didn’t vote on him … it’s all about the money
He was never patched in. His version of events is complete BS. The truth of the matter is Dobyns and a couple of CI's rolled up after buying their way into another club, who quickly figured out what was going on and tipped off the Hells Angel's. He was outed within the first month. Problem was a Chapter President told the brass he seen Dobyns and the other two using speed at his parties and vouched for them. Sonny Barger said "we'll see" and didn't believe him, so Jay and his sidekick Pops were moved from under the Mesa Chapter to a barely existing chapter in the middle of nowhere under two old heads who weren't involved in much. The idea was if he were a Fed he would quickly slink away. Instead "Jaybird" got too into the lifestyle, strung out on speed and blew tens of millions of dollars playing biker while falsifying evidence regularly. The event you're talking about where he claims he was patched in didn't go down that way. He showed up with the FedEx package and photos showing off and was confirmed as a Fed. Instead of it being the victory he likes to claim, it blew their already weak case to shreds.
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Has nothing to do with pride. It’s part of his experience and biography. And btw, it was largely Janet Reno that screwed up Waco in the end. The JD, and the FBI were trigger happy j/o’s.
@@jamescoakley4319they literally took hunting photos over the ashes that always shot first and there's video of them starting the fire. The atf and FBI caused all of it. This is right after the atf/fbi ruby ridge disaster
Michael, you should try to have a sit down with Barry Spears! He's a former hell's angel that got saved and is now a Baptist pastor! He has an amazing testinony that I think you would really enjoy!
One major difference between the Hells Angels and the Cosa Nostra is the club has legally registered the name and Winged Death logo as a registered trademark. In addition the club has sued for copyright infringement over the use of the name and logo, something no Italian related crime syndicate would even think of doing.
1:06:08 Sammy asking his friend, "How can you be friends with that guy after he put all those guys away?" is one of the greatest ironies I've ever heard.
There's a lot of LEO's that are going to find out one of those things are true. Aside from Politics I can't think of anything as corrupt as the justice system. Jesus warned the Tax Collectors that they were selling their souls for corrupt men.........I see very little difference which is why as a Christian I could never do that job.
And in Waco and Ruby Ridge, annihalted Americans for Falluhah. Totally contaminated crime scene and thats a stretch. "Witnesses" who were insurgents and so on and so on and they hide their J Edgar Hoover crap and the above and destroy American soldiers.
@@rodneyroyal9686 Here we go -- heres the little unknown nerd that havent done anything in life trying to downplay the work of someone while, obviously, using emojis because huh why not. What a wonderful life you must have LOL.
"You take the pizza and put it on the oven and it comes out like it came out of the oven". That's really good to know. I don't like when i put a pizza on the oven and it comes out like it had just came outta the dish washer. One time i put it in the oven and it came out and had went to a 21+ club and had gotten so drunk it couldn't even hold up its crust anymore. I'll be buying it when it's out.
Great interview, Michael. I'm 1:17:40 still not a fan of the ATF or any other government agencies. They constantly change the rules and sometimes create problems to look like their solving problems.
Is this the first time Michael’s admitted to killing someone? When he was asking if there were any absolute requirements to become a Hell’s Angel, he said, “I’ve gotta be honest with you. For Cosa Nostra, you have to kill someone to become a made member.” I don’t recall him ever acknowledging that before.
I'm also confused. In one of Michael's early videos he said "You pledge that you will kill IF the BOSS orders you to kill someone" He implied a murder was NOT a prerequisite to be a full "Made Guy"
True!!! He has never openly admitted to murder and would somewhat sidetrack the answer. But you're right he did just say that! I think he just let his guard down a bit and had a moment of honesty without thinking about it like he had always done
He always just says violence is a part of the life to kinda sidestep the question without confirming or denying, but he's always somewhat implied it is the case
Hey you have to share your workout and diet plans to us older guys so we can look as good as you do at your age. I'm embarrassed in front of my wife right now. 73! C'mon you're killing me right here. You look at least 20 years younger and that's a good thing. Bless you.
Great interview guys! I admire both your humility! What a great testimony you both have. I pray that more young would find genuine men like yourself ‘s to be mentored, rather than to fall for the counterfeit… Keep doing the good work guys! Your making a difference! 🙏👏❤️
In any organized crime group murder is taking very seriously especially to not have any links to a murder to a unknown hang around or prospect with zero history to any members of the club. Would not happen unless they're very stupid. The testimony of arrested club members said hes full of crap and manufactured evidence against them
I really like Michael, Can't stand this guest, though! Total glory seeker. I would not have bought the bullshit for a millisecond. Were probably paying this clowns pension till the day he dies & beyond to his widow after. If I lit my own house on fire I'd be in jail. Can't wait to taste the frozen pie!
Why would “God” have his hand on only on Jay Dobbins’s shoulder? So now he is suddenly a big believer in “God”? He betrayed his own family. To this day his own family hates him.
Thanks Michael great interview, Jay put some humanization into serious nature behind being a undercover operative. I also love your saying " aslong as they are doing there investigation lawfully and you get caught you can't fault them for doing a better job than you
Great Interview , Great Respect , I Hope You Have Him To Come Back.Again !!!!!!!. Fantastic Job , Fantastic View and Values ,. Totally AWESOME !!!!!. GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY !!!!.🙏🙏 🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🖐️👏🖐️👏👍😎🥰🐕😻🐈🇺🇸🙏
I had an uncle who was in the Hell's Angels in Texas. He was my mom's brother. He never talked about what he did with the group, except that he would ride up to Sturgis in the summer.
Thank you so very much for this interview, Micheal. It was very fascinating and scary, at the same time. Thank you for everything that you do, Michael!!!
Both of these guys were gangster. One worked for the publicly acceptable gang and the other worked for the gang with the stigma. Both gangs are criminal gang, still to this day.
Got some bad asses in govt. & various "clubs" brotherhoods, & fraternal orrganizations. Also crossovers that making figuring out what is going on very complicated.
It's also a BS story. 1: The Hells Angels are huge in Las Vegas and the Las Vegas underworld and know who is who regarding the Las Vegas Mob. 2: By the time of this investigation the Las Vegas Mob had been nearly defunct for over a decade. By then they had a couple strip clubs they ran for the Chicago Outfit, which was common knowledge. Had this event happened the guys over Dobyns would have called the Las Vegas 81 chapter and ran the name by them. They then would have discovered this supposed Vegas "Mob Boss" didn't exist. 3: As someone connected to many of the people involved on the MC side, Jay Dobyns was pegged as a potential cop from the get go. One guy was vouching for him. HQ said "we'll see" and put him under q couple of old burnouts in the middle of nowhere.
@@lordcommander3224 It's likely from all the meth he was using while undercover. That and the fact he continually lies about his failed undercover operation to puff himself up.
That was rediculous… a mob boss that none of them had ever heard of, ever. Also surely they do a little bit of investigating into who this Mob Boss is? Just sounds rediculous imo
@@danielmegahey7571No way, it totally sounds realistic that a prospect that's been washing the members bikes walks up one day and goes "hey guys, I gotta go meet my boss that I run illegal guns for in Las Vegas. He's a Mob Boss. Can you come watch my back?" And they just go "sure buddy, let's go!" 🤣 But honestly Jay has no choice. He decided long ago to take "I was a prospect for the smallest Hells Angels chapter on the west coast for a year" as his entire identity in life and try to sell it. Unfortunately the truth, "Yeah, we hung out in each other's dilapidated mobile homes drinking cheap beer and smoking weed and meth for days on end" doesn't quite sell books and movie deals.
It's the same for everyone, we accidentally hurt our family to gain success. I am fortunate to have a saint of a wife, and rock solid kids. The kids are stronger than a steel wall.
lol. yeah sure. jay ended up being a bad one too. sure he has the excuse of going the extra mile to not get made by the 81, but theres a reason the cases he made against the bikers didnt go anywhere. too much crooked shit. Idk whos the right man for those 3 letter agency heads but it aint whos there now and it aint jay Dobbins thats for sure
My Father was an under cover cop. It is a hard life in many, many respects. They do it as a calling to bring justice to those who think they are outside the law, its not a pay check.
@@Bee89301 Yeah, thanks Jay. Thank you for spending $40 million of us Arizona taxpayers money so you could go hang out in a mobile home village outside of Prescott for a year smoking meth all day on the taxpayers dime. So much service to our country. Must be why their little case went absolutely nowhere and the only conviction they got was a few guys pleading guilty to possession of personal use amounts of drugs.....
A lot of interviewers can learn a lot from Michael. His calm demeanor - his ability to let his guests speak - so glad to be in his orbit.
Yes, like Piers Morgan!
@@Miroberta1234 Mummy & Daddy put you through "University" to be a real smart guy 👍
Even rogan talks over guests like trump so annoying
@@Miroberta1234 😆Ya, just like that yapper.
It's common sense but not so common to be such a good and polite interviewer.
The conversation about forgiveness is so important. I gotta say that the most moving, powerful acts of forgiveness that i saw (on tv) was when the family members of the victims of the Charleston Church shooting faced Dylan Roof, the man who had slain their loved ones in cold blood, they said to him that they forgave him. This wasn't years after the murders, this was right after, right when the tragic loss was raw and more painful than I could ever imagine. They were true Christians, this was so powerful, in the midst of such a profound tragedy.
AMEN 🙏 They understand what that guy has to face when he faces God the Almighty
Wow. I'm a Christian but I don't know if I could do that. That's incredible. Total respect to those people.
I like that Mr Franzese let's his guests speak.Thats a good interviewer.
He is great for that and his guests are all very interesting people and they themselves are great story tellers....
@@mkrock9402 hi,hoping you're well and all is ok in your part of the world
Yes his guests are interesting aren't theyo.like watching because I'm watching a good conversation.stay safe. ✌️🇭🇲
Rare quality these days
Mafia intuition. It's supposed to about respect and listening.
Praise Allah
"you put it in the oven for 8 to 10 mins and it comes out like it came out of the oven!" michael has such a way with words, its always poetic 😂
I didn't think about that 😂
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Nah like i understand what he means but i get it what a legend😂
I bet he owns the pizza 🍕 company
I presume he means pizza oven? Or is this a microwaveable pizza?
“The government could not agree with itself on how to move forward.” How very true.
The ATF should go under cover at the white house.
Great idea! God knows we need something to stop these lunitics
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Never bite the hand that feeds you
You can get in trouble for inciting violence by saying that the ATF should set the WH on fire
@@fredsalazar4907You mean the hand that bites us? 😂😂😂
Hey Michael thanks for all you do, I’m a Correctional Officer in Northern Ontario, Canada, I love your podcast and I’m so glad that you cover all kinds of of topics, I don’t judge anyone cause it’s not my job, just keep doing what you’re doing, it helps people to make the right decision in life, for me it’s so informative, thank you for your apostolate, may the two hearts bless you and your family
You should hit up Lockdown 23and1, im sure he would love to interview you.
Wow. Incredible conversation, Mike. I was intrigued throughout the entirety of this podcast.
When a man's ways please the Lord, He maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him. Beautiful Michael.
Best podcaster out there!! I’ve been lucky to meet him on a train,what a gentleman !!
Best interview I’ve ever watched! Well done. The honesty and truth from both sides doing their jobs awesome! I love that
I watched a few docs on his story and being a biker and a friend 5 decades ago that was a member of the Angel's and got burned with his bike by a rival group...
I respect both sides for multiple reasons...
Luv your POD🇺🇸DOCS✊️
Loved this conversation between two gentlemen!
Another winner, Michael. You were born to do this. Thank you, and God Bless.
Now why does what he says make any difference to the situation
@@AdzyLoCaL1he’s a national treasure, that’s why.
Beware of Modernists by Sensus Fidelium.
Born to be a top informer........every place he goes.....
@@AdzyLoCaL1 - He listens and lets the guests talk and gets the best out of them. He also understands the criminal mindset and knows where to lead the interview. In this interview, he immediately knew the fake murder with photographs would be a massive red flag and pushed him to admit it was a bad idea. Michael stuck with it asking him more but Jay doesn't tell the full story. He actually lies. I've seen the uncovered recording of what happened. He had a camera set up in his trailer. He showed them the photographs and bloody Mongol vest. He then left the room as he wanted to see what they said on tape with him gone. The two Hells Angels looked at each other and said "he's an undercover cop". He completely blew his cover and the investigation ended.
He also doesn't say here that the case completely fell apart and no one was convicted of a crime. So the entire uncover operation achieved nothing.
I really love Michael Francis honesty.Absolute brutal honesty very well done
Michael Franzese is a great story teller. I could listen to this for hours .
for sure - love his stories. Don't agree with his politics, but other than that, I could listen all day long. He's lived a pretty amazing life, and I do admire his business acumen.
I love that u let ur guest talk this was so good
Jay Dobbins should get an Oscar for this performance.
No kidding... Christie didn't think much of Dobbins and his undercover worked failed to result in any convictions.
He was making it up as he went.
@Andrew-nh5zg you know they ended the case early, because some Hell's Angels were going to eliminate a small gang called the Solo Angels that the HA thought were encroaching on their territory.
The SA were actually all UCs, but the HA didn't know that. Not something you can really lay at Jay's feet.
I believe it's around 52 indictments, 200 illegal guns seized, and a few convictions. Nothing on the scale of what they were trying to accomplish, but not exactly nothing either.
Everybody wants to picture the HELLS ANGELES as a terrible MC club that does bad things, but nobody wants to remember all the good things that they do, and they do a lot. I've known the chapter where I'm from since the 70's and they saved my life from a stalker and when the people were tearing down statues around the USA, they took a stand in our community and stood watch 24/7 to make sure that didn't happen and it didn't. I am always a proud 81 supporter, and I can still go to that chapter today and I've been married to a judge for 30 years, and they still welcome me.
George Christie gave the most accurate explanation. The Hell's Angels is not a criminal organization, but does have criminals as members. Dobbins under cover work never resulted in any convictions. His only victory in court was when he used the ATF.
"Protecting" racist statues is the number 2 good thing you can think of? How does that even remotely justify the violence and bs they do?
I hear ya, I found out years ago a family member of mine way back was involved with a certain 3 letter organisation that is known for their extreme racism. When asked about that he said he and his people never gave any racist stuff, those guys were the ones, let's say you're a drunk, you're beating your wife, not feeding your kids etc, these guys are going to have a member or two have a talk with you, if you didn't take that to heart and straighten up, then they're going to show up to your farm one night, and you're going to go for a little ride with these guys off to one of their farms, and depending on what you've done, they're going to do something between scarring the heck out of you by showing you what they do to jackasses by letting you witness someone else getting a "tune-up" to you being the guy who gets the ever living shit beaten out of him while someone else gets to watch. They beat a guy who's been roughing his wife up, beat the absolute brakes off this guy, but didn't touch his hands cos he was a cotton farmer and they wanted him to be able to pick cotton, use tools etc, but they beat him, broke a few ribs, beat him with a big leather strap from head to toe, and told him under NO uncertain terms they better not ever see a single bruise or mark on his wife or any of his kids, he better hope to God nothing accidental ever happened to them because he would be delt with very harshly. They then sent him to another guys farm for a few days to recover so his wife and kids didn't see him like that. In the mean time the guys went to his farm daily to take care of things that need to be taken care of. The guys wives helped out and checked in the wife and kids, helped her get her place in order and kids helped. Apart they made a believer out of the guy and keeping a check on him straightened things out because there weren't any more problems. On the other hand he related a story where they'd had a "Friendly discussion" with a guy who was a problem and he didn't get the point and went home and roughed his wife up again and well.... That guy got tuned up "all the way" and that was that. It was a community self policing itself kind of thing, at least for them. Not a racist thing.
The ATF is an absolutely DISGUSTING agency that should be abolished, they seek to deprive citizens of their second amendment rights by any means necessary.
You do understand why people were tearing down statues, right?
Fascinating interview I don't know how he pulled that off and remained sane! I love hearing from both lawenforcement and ex criminal points of view. This is a great youtube channel Micheal has created!
What a fascinating channel. Thank you for doing this Mr. Franzese. Incredibly enlightening and insightful. God bless you and your family.
I have seen Jay before and read his book. Michael, when you say interesting life, you could not be more accurate. Great interview. Your history adds a unique perspective especially when talking with guys like Jay and Joe.
This is one of the first interviews I've enjoyed in a really long time
Absolutely wonderful sit down!!! Love it!!!
I'm a dude who likes to make my own decisions but anyone can get caught up in all sorts of things , but it's what you do with your knowledge about the life experience you have , great content bro , I'm liking the videos so far watching from my recliner in Scotland .
Always love listening to jay . Comes across polite , humble and honest. Respect
Hi Michael, how are you? This is one of your best sit downs. You really connected and were able to get thoughtful answers. Loved it!
That art on the wall is incredible
At about 17 mins God started to speak deeply to me gentlemen!
Your unabashed humility in the face of what some would call success is moving beyond words.
True followers of Jesus thanks
Great interview, you do so well keeping the conversation moving and interesting. God Bless you and your family❤
Most interviewers could learn from Mr. Franzese. He is a great listener and let's his guest speak, very respectful, as well.
God bless🙏✝️🦋😇
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This is an Amazing Interview! Thank you Michael.
Love you ,and your humanitarian attitude always ,watch you and your marvellous guest .Iam from the U K ,70 yrs old but funky and eyes wide open love Joy xxx👍👍⭐️💯
Interesting Interview Michael with Jay, thanks for bringing him On!!😀👍👋
This interview was EPIC, absolutely EPIC. Michael is a perfect interviewer. 💯
One of the best and most honest interviews ever done.
How did you verify everything?
Lmao this is like the 100th interview 🎉🎉
@@brandonmacon3317yep, and the stories change some each time.
They get a little juicier each time.
Dobyns is a fantasist and a liar. Don't believe me? Ask the ATF!!
Great interview Michael, I’ve always wanted to ask Mr. Dobyns a question, do you know how I would get in contact with him? Also you should interview Billy Queen who infiltrated the Mongols MC, he has one heck of a story
Put the frozen pizza in the oven then take it out and it taste like a pizza out the oven 😂😂😂😂😂 that was hilarious
We know what he meant
Well atleast we know hes not lying lol
Yeah I thought that was funny too.
@@pauletteispassingiton943what did he mean?
@@chriss4061 wow, really?
This is one of the most interesting interviews I’ve ever seen. His stories are like something out of a movie and I believe them 100%
In Jay's book "No Angel" he admitted that outside of the murder of the women the crimes being committed by the Angels were mostly small time and petty. Frankly, the government wasted money on "Black Biscuit". The HA also dispute that Jay was made a full patch member informally. Sonny Barger angrily denied that claim by Dobbins in an interview. I believe only the chapter has to vote you in. It doesn't make sense for every Angel throughout the world to vote for a member since the vast majority would not know him like the local chapter.
govt wasting money is the nature of the beast
Lotta the time, you pay a fee they’ll make you a member … I’ve heard about it happening in several clubs the outlaws, pagans etc. so if I had to guess Dobbins prob paid some money while he was a prospect they said ok your a member and gave him his rocker bypassing the vote cause he paid … then after it all came out he was undercover they wanna deny they didn’t vote on him … it’s all about the money
He was never patched in. His version of events is complete BS.
The truth of the matter is Dobyns and a couple of CI's rolled up after buying their way into another club, who quickly figured out what was going on and tipped off the Hells Angel's. He was outed within the first month.
Problem was a Chapter President told the brass he seen Dobyns and the other two using speed at his parties and vouched for them. Sonny Barger said "we'll see" and didn't believe him, so Jay and his sidekick Pops were moved from under the Mesa Chapter to a barely existing chapter in the middle of nowhere under two old heads who weren't involved in much.
The idea was if he were a Fed he would quickly slink away. Instead "Jaybird" got too into the lifestyle, strung out on speed and blew tens of millions of dollars playing biker while falsifying evidence regularly.
The event you're talking about where he claims he was patched in didn't go down that way. He showed up with the FedEx package and photos showing off and was confirmed as a Fed.
Instead of it being the victory he likes to claim, it blew their already weak case to shreds.
@@darknessandlife777100% true, and well stated.
@@darknessandlife777it’s hilarious that in his book he claims it was RedBull instead of meth..😂
Hi dropping in from downtown Wauchope NSW. Australian..yr vids just starting popping up on my feed.. Maybe cause i do tap into True crime . I must say you have a unquie interview style .. Very intriguing ☮️💜🌞🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
To be involved in the standoff at Waco is nothing to be proud of.
Has nothing to do with pride. It’s part of his experience and biography. And btw, it was largely Janet Reno that screwed up Waco in the end. The JD, and the FBI were trigger happy j/o’s.
Just remember that it was the FBI that burned the place to the ground
Yea it is…. The k/d ratio cannot be denied!
@@jamescoakley4319they literally took hunting photos over the ashes that always shot first and there's video of them starting the fire. The atf and FBI caused all of it. This is right after the atf/fbi ruby ridge disaster
@@raverfox420 right, if that was call of duty those cops would be ranked like #1 in the world!
Michael, you should try to have a sit down with Barry Spears! He's a former hell's angel that got saved and is now a Baptist pastor! He has an amazing testinony that I think you would really enjoy!
Britney Spears is a washed up pop star.
@@b.g.5869Aron Spears is a decent stand up comedian.
@@JohnSmith-dt2yb Britney Spears isn't.
Leave Britney alone!
Hes deceased
Such a great interview, very fascinating. Thank you Gentlemen!
One major difference between the Hells Angels and the Cosa Nostra is the club has legally registered the name and Winged Death logo as a registered trademark. In addition the club has sued for copyright infringement over the use of the name and logo, something no Italian related crime syndicate would even think of doing.
1:06:08 Sammy asking his friend, "How can you be friends with that guy after he put all those guys away?" is one of the greatest ironies I've ever heard.
My thoughts exactly 💯
"I got a pistol on my hip & GOD'S hand on my shoulder"
There's a lot of LEO's that are going to find out one of those things are true. Aside from Politics I can't think of anything as corrupt as the justice system. Jesus warned the Tax Collectors that they were selling their souls for corrupt men.........I see very little difference which is why as a Christian I could never do that job.
Ohhhh ahhhhhh been hearing this shit since I was a kid. Humans just repeat the same shit and over and over and claim to be wise
@@IllegalAlien-h1ghe said it as a saying not as his own personal quote…
@@IllegalAlien-h1g huh.... It's a saying. Guy didn't claim to make it up on the spot 😂
@@IllegalAlien-h1gtriggered 😂
Absolutely love these interviews.
Michael posts a video, I click on it, and onward goes this thing of ours.
😂😂 that was good
Hehe
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Love it ❤😂
The ATF burned kids in Waco and then posed in pictures laughing over the burned complex
And in Waco and Ruby Ridge, annihalted Americans for Falluhah. Totally contaminated crime scene and thats a stretch. "Witnesses" who were insurgents and so on and so on and they hide their J Edgar Hoover crap and the above and destroy American soldiers.
Ya they did. Fbi was involved in that as well.
Never forget Waco or Ruby Ridge
@@bucketheadwendy5358 look to the future. enough about bs past
goofs
ATF always harassing legal gun owners but allow criminals to run wild on the internet with illegal switches among other things. ATF is so crooked
Always enjoy your interviews‼️
Powerful testimony. Thanks for sharing it. God bless y'all. 🙏🙂
Exactly taking photos of a murder i wouldn't have believed that for a second
Nobody believed him😂 He's full of 💩
He made a few low level drug busts but almost all his cases were thrown out of court😂
@@rodneyroyal9686 Here we go -- heres the little unknown nerd that havent done anything in life trying to downplay the work of someone while, obviously, using emojis because huh why not.
What a wonderful life you must have LOL.
Screw the ATF tht were at Waco wat they did tht day was messed up it shouldn't of happened and it surely shouldn't of happened the way it did
Great Interview. Yearn For More.
Another great sit-down. Should look into interviewing the guy who infiltrated the Pagans MC on Long Island.
ATF and other 3letter agencies need scrutinized and revamped if not eliminated 👍
Apparently he’s moved on to ATF P.R spokesman / propagandist
These 3 letter agencies are behind stuff ppl would not believe. For ex Bitcoin. CIA behind sick things too.
100%. The CIA was involved in rigging the 2020 election, and the FBI is the American Gestapo.
Yep. This guy smells funny.
Very fishy character and his 500 ops in 25 years doesn’t add up. Over 20 a year not a chance.
@@ronoliver4351 Depends on his involvement in the op, there's a strong chance he was read into them but didn't actually do boots on the ground work.
"You take the pizza and put it on the oven and it comes out like it came out of the oven".
That's really good to know.
I don't like when i put a pizza on the oven and it comes out like it had just came outta the dish washer.
One time i put it in the oven and it came out and had went to a 21+ club and had gotten so drunk it couldn't even hold up its crust anymore.
I'll be buying it when it's out.
Damn Pizza. Can't hold it's own.
Time stamp on the pizza quote
Michael has a lot of God given wisdom, and I enjoy his program often.
The BATF is truly one of the most wonderful and valuable agencies we're blessed to have.
Just ask Randy Weaver's wife...
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amazing interview Love how HONEST he is !!!
What happened in Waco was an atrocity!
It was an atrocity before the feds even arrived
Same with Ruby Ridge.
I love these interviews! Amazing channel!❤
Great interview, Michael.
I'm 1:17:40 still not a fan of the ATF or any other government agencies. They constantly change the rules and sometimes create problems to look like their solving problems.
I don’t understand how these guys can be so open and public about everything without worrying about retaliation
My great-uncle used to be part of the Hell’s Angels, but he doesn’t talk about it much; this podcast is quite insightful.
My dad aswell
One of your best interviews Michael. Jay has a great story to tell. Thanks for sharing.
Great Interview! Thank You!
Is this the first time Michael’s admitted to killing someone? When he was asking if there were any absolute requirements to become a Hell’s Angel, he said, “I’ve gotta be honest with you. For Cosa Nostra, you have to kill someone to become a made member.”
I don’t recall him ever acknowledging that before.
I'm also confused. In one of Michael's early videos he said "You pledge that you will kill IF the BOSS orders you to kill someone" He implied a murder was NOT a prerequisite to be a full "Made Guy"
True!!! He has never openly admitted to murder and would somewhat sidetrack the answer. But you're right he did just say that! I think he just let his guard down a bit and had a moment of honesty without thinking about it like he had always done
I mean, of course he isn’t going to outright admit to murder. He’s not an idiot. It’s well known that you need to kill to become a made member of LCN.
He always just says violence is a part of the life to kinda sidestep the question without confirming or denying, but he's always somewhat implied it is the case
The face move the eyes don't. That tells me I don't want to be on the wrong side of either when they were in the life
Just non-stop incredible stuff Michael-thanks!
Hey you have to share your workout and diet plans to us older guys so we can look as good as you do at your age. I'm embarrassed in front of my wife right now. 73! C'mon you're killing me right here. You look at least 20 years younger and that's a good thing. Bless you.
He's definitely a hunk!! Hubba hubba!! ❤
Great interview guys! I admire both your humility! What a great testimony you both have. I pray that more young would find genuine men like yourself ‘s to be mentored, rather than to fall for the counterfeit… Keep doing the good work guys! Your making a difference! 🙏👏❤️
Hi, Michael! Love your testimony & enjoy the info. you bring us! ❤❤❤❤❤
This is the best interview thank you
In any organized crime group murder is taking very seriously especially to not have any links to a murder to a unknown hang around or prospect with zero history to any members of the club. Would not happen unless they're very stupid. The testimony of arrested club members said hes full of crap and manufactured evidence against them
I really like Michael,
Can't stand this guest, though!
Total glory seeker.
I would not have bought the bullshit for a millisecond.
Were probably paying this clowns pension till the day he dies & beyond to his widow after.
If I lit my own house on fire I'd be in jail.
Can't wait to taste the frozen pie!
I mean the testimony of patched in and loyal members are going to be just as biased and untrustworthy as that of an undercover atf agent.
Can’t wait for part 2
I used to wait on Joseph Bonnana in Tucson Az. He told me one time that the sun was rising in my life and setting in his. I liked the man.
people who created a legend that is not supported by anything, the bigger the lie, the more people believe in it
"This guy has done it all ."
Proceeds to list off numerous false flags .....
Priceless !
Mike , another Great video!
Keep
Them coming
Why would “God” have his hand on only on Jay Dobbins’s shoulder? So now he is suddenly a big believer in “God”? He betrayed his own family. To this day his own family hates him.
Fantastic interview, every interview I watch becomes a new favorite…
Thanks Michael great interview, Jay put some humanization into serious nature behind being a undercover operative. I also love your saying " aslong as they are doing there investigation lawfully and you get caught you can't fault them for doing a better job than you
Great Interview , Great Respect , I Hope You Have Him To Come Back.Again !!!!!!!.
Fantastic Job , Fantastic View and Values ,.
Totally AWESOME !!!!!.
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY !!!!.🙏🙏
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I had an uncle who was in the Hell's Angels in Texas. He was my mom's brother. He never talked about what he did with the group, except that he would ride up to Sturgis in the summer.
No H A in texas
It takes a braver man to be humble an honest ❤️ 🙏 Bravo.
This channel is so great, thank you Mr. Franzese, another amazing sit down as always.
I read Jay's book when I was in a 6 month stint in jail, I highly recommend it.
I know guys who were members of Angels during his "investigation" and they've said he lied in book as much as he does during interviews
I'm most excited to try the frozen pizza
Will it be affordable?
Thank you so very much for this interview, Micheal. It was very fascinating and scary, at the same time. Thank you for everything that you do, Michael!!!
Both of these guys were gangster. One worked for the publicly acceptable gang and the other worked for the gang with the stigma. Both gangs are criminal gang, still to this day.
Got some bad asses in govt. & various "clubs" brotherhoods, & fraternal orrganizations. Also crossovers that making figuring out what is going on very complicated.
Most people are smart enough to recognize the differences between the two.
Absolute truth.
What a Top-notch, 5 star ☆☆☆☆☆ interview. One of the very best i've seen in a very very long time ! ❤ Amazing !!
The Vegas mob boss story is Classic!! I could picture every detail
It's also a BS story.
1: The Hells Angels are huge in Las Vegas and the Las Vegas underworld and know who is who regarding the Las Vegas Mob.
2: By the time of this investigation the Las Vegas Mob had been nearly defunct for over a decade. By then they had a couple strip clubs they ran for the Chicago Outfit, which was common knowledge.
Had this event happened the guys over Dobyns would have called the Las Vegas 81 chapter and ran the name by them. They then would have discovered this supposed Vegas "Mob Boss" didn't exist.
3: As someone connected to many of the people involved on the MC side, Jay Dobyns was pegged as a potential cop from the get go. One guy was vouching for him. HQ said "we'll see" and put him under q couple of old burnouts in the middle of nowhere.
@@darknessandlife777after watching this thing there definitely seems to be something off with Jay.
@@lordcommander3224 It's likely from all the meth he was using while undercover. That and the fact he continually lies about his failed undercover operation to puff himself up.
That was rediculous… a mob boss that none of them had ever heard of, ever. Also surely they do a little bit of investigating into who this Mob Boss is? Just sounds rediculous imo
@@danielmegahey7571No way, it totally sounds realistic that a prospect that's been washing the members bikes walks up one day and goes "hey guys, I gotta go meet my boss that I run illegal guns for in Las Vegas. He's a Mob Boss. Can you come watch my back?" And they just go "sure buddy, let's go!" 🤣
But honestly Jay has no choice. He decided long ago to take "I was a prospect for the smallest Hells Angels chapter on the west coast for a year" as his entire identity in life and try to sell it.
Unfortunately the truth, "Yeah, we hung out in each other's dilapidated mobile homes drinking cheap beer and smoking weed and meth for days on end" doesn't quite sell books and movie deals.
It's the same for everyone, we accidentally hurt our family to gain success. I am fortunate to have a saint of a wife, and rock solid kids. The kids are stronger than a steel wall.
Your pizza was found at the scene of a crime. Word to the wise, you're now an accessory after the fact. For the wine though? The next Stoli.
Thank you Michael.Great interview 👍
I dont like undercover operations unless itd dealing with other countries. Its too much lying and entrapment
That’s the point of Undercover. Lying to build a rock solid case.
This isn't an interview it's a conversation.
If the FBI, CIA, ATF had men like Jay running them, America could return to greatness & respect.
lol. yeah sure. jay ended up being a bad one too. sure he has the excuse of going the extra mile to not get made by the 81, but theres a reason the cases he made against the bikers didnt go anywhere. too much crooked shit. Idk whos the right man for those 3 letter agency heads but it aint whos there now and it aint jay Dobbins thats for sure
@@imgrindin What are you yapping about behind your screen
And now….chevron is OVER!
@@imgrindinexactly
@@imgrindin hell yeah. I love Michael Franzese but the ATF has no reason to exist. Period. 'Merica.
My Father was an under cover cop. It is a hard life in many, many respects. They do it as a calling to bring justice to those who think they are outside the law, its not a pay check.
Unbelievable courage and wisdom! Thank You Jay Dobbins for the service to our country. Love and respect❤🇺🇸
God bless You 🙏
@@Bee89301 Yeah, thanks Jay. Thank you for spending $40 million of us Arizona taxpayers money so you could go hang out in a mobile home village outside of Prescott for a year smoking meth all day on the taxpayers dime.
So much service to our country.
Must be why their little case went absolutely nowhere and the only conviction they got was a few guys pleading guilty to possession of personal use amounts of drugs.....