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- www.ted.com Hans Rosling had a question: Do some religions have a higher birth rate than others -- and how does this affect global population growth? Speaking at the TEDxSummit in Doha, Qatar, he graphs data over time and across religions. With his trademark humor and sharp insight, Hans reaches a surprising conclusion on world fertility rates.
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I honestly loved the shots of the audience, showing how all these people with clearly different backgrouds were listening to him with such interest
Hedgy Verona, agreed.
Hedgy i really love the baby in your profile pic..😍so cute
i was more surprised that there were so many expats in doha
yeah, and as if very color categorized so as to tell apart easily...
Totally unrelated: Cute baby profile pic🥰
"and then I will die" and so you did Hans. May we never forget the wisdom you shared.
It would have been sad if he were never born then, wouldn't it.
He didn't even make it to 70, how sad. :(
Sad that I cannot watch the update on the charts he loved so much narrated by him now in 2020.
There is still a way to visualize them on my own through their website: Gapminder.org
That's a loss. RIP.
#NationsPride
This guy and his team deserves serious credit for the infographs and how easy they make the complex subject understandable from a statistical perspective.
100%
and its a freely usable resource!
You should read his book: Factfulness. Mucho of the same demographic theme but extremely accessible and well written.
@@ceciliaquental5409 i finished it just now! Awesome book!
Japan has always been an exception, but in truth, we don’t really follow any religion. We just say we are Buddhists because we follow the buddhist funeral rituals. But we easily move to Christianity during Christmas events and marriage. Most of us don’t know what religion is.
Also to add, we might be the only country that wants more children, not less. But we will never see this increase, because conditions are so bad for women. Low profit, few nursing facilities available, and discrimination that still lingers for women who try to both work and have babies in their lives.
I thought japan is great becuase of art, but, uhh..... i guess women here had a bit of bad luck.
That's quite interesting. Here in the nordics we follow a lot of christian events but so many are raised without a religion and stay that way.
Luckily we have pretty good conditions for women taking maternal leave and such.
"Japan has always been an exception" Foreal tho
@@jk56 Still, children per woman are about 1.8 in Scandinavia, so we have the same problem as Japan, women are having fewer children than we need, since a birthrate of 1.8 means about 0.9 girls born per woman. Without immigration, Scandinavian population would steadily decline.
@@adrianroed2178 Pretty much all western countries are in a similar boat. The particular distinction with Japan is their very rigid opposition to immigration in contrast to a country like the U.S. that gets a lot of immigrant labor to fill in the less than 2 per woman child rate of the native born. And then it leads to freakouts by racists who think they're somehow getting replaced.
Got to love the total denial of laser pointer technology!
The laser point is significantly less visible on small screens. He made a good choice, whether by old habit or conscious intent
I laser pointer would be VERY hard to see on that type of screen. He made the right choice. Wish more people chose the pointer rod.
not a fishing rod though, like he uses
I think it was a fishing pole. "Teach a man to fish ......"
Its unsatisfactory
Hans: "Everyone understands that there is a limit to how many people can live on earth."
Thanos: "Got it."
Maria Therese well, yes and no. He means there is limited resources and space for us all and when we hit that limit the population will decline on it’s own.
@@samanthasherrard162well, yes and no. It was a joke.
Not enough upvotes
tHANoS
*Corona: Got it*
"We have reached Peak Child"
Peak oil up for debate
Good band name. "Goodnight people of Wyoming, we are Peak Child thank you!"
@@brandonmccoy8891 goodnight people we are, we aren't.
2 is the peakest, childs can peak.
Still peaking
Genius! I'm sad that he's no longer with us.
daipaulig he predicted it.
daipa
Akshay Sheth omg I laughed so hard
This is sad and funny at the same time
But I saw him the other day at the hardware store.
That women being educated, & having access to birth control choices, has been substantively proven, repeatedly, over time. Quality of life improves. Take away choice, corrupt or make education less or inaccessible, and all the worst outcomes return.
Unless you can give a universal definition of "quality of life," that is a most unsupportable assertion in context of this video. E.g., if a woman is "happy" bearing/raising 10 children while eschewing higher education, does she not enjoy a commensurate high QOL? Conversely, if a woman has a high-paying executive position, all the trappings that go with it and no children, but is miserable, does she not have a commensurate low QOL? Or do you believe there is no correlation between the poor state of modern families and degradation of our modern, worldwide, societies?
@@DT-52 People generally relate their happiness to how well they fit in with the values of the society they live in. Having children used to be valued more.
@@DT-52 you missed his point.. the most imp part was 'Choice'
Winter, have you read Melinda Gates book? Your comment seems like it supports her findings. I am a fan of it.
D T how happy can you be if you have no choice?
His book “Factfulness” seriously made me change my perspective on the world. RIP sir!
"Factfulness: Ten Reasons We're Wrong About the World--and Why Things Are Better Than You Think"
disclaimer: written before corona pandemic
Brezo11 same here
Awesome! Another book goes to my list
@@lm_b5080 Interestingly enough, he does mention his concern about a pandemic several times in the book, and with his background in epidemiology, his prediction was spot on.
I just checked. He died last year to leave a gap for a new baby.
two new babies.
Oh yeah?
RIP Hans...
@New New Milo From Hep C.
Big, big loss. Great man. Thank you for your contributions Sir
So simple yet so smart. Great use of boxes. Visual aids hit the message home.
Necuno huh?
Necuno what Andres said: I have no idea what these sentences are saying.
It simplified it greatly!
I love how he commentates on changing statistics as though they're a horse race
Commentates isn't a word
@@sha9543 Try again.
@@sha9543 it most definitely is
This man is crazy!
The way he taught,just wow!!!
A true intellect...
Flamily planning 😃
This guy is a great public speaker I really enjoyed this talk. I'm also jealous of his graph animation skills.
You can get the tools for yourself (free as in speech) at gapminder.org
The software that he is using is cool and I love his accent
Graphics courtesy of Gapminder Trendalyzer I think. Accent courtesy of Sweden.
He is an interesting man himself
the software is actually a website on the internet. I don't remember the site, but you can make several graphs, gdp, population growth, etc
Really? I can assure you that every Swede, no matter how much they loved Hans, cringes when he talks.
This is just the Swedish way. I still have nightmares about some of the Volvo commercials. Yikes.
@@SomeNiceMovies why do people cringe? You mean when he speaks in English or Swedish?
"You don't have to be rich, to have few children." Absolutely.
3rd world can't relate
Random Fjord If you watched the fucking video you would see they do relate instead you’re degenerate life is spent writing racist comments because your preconceived notions of bias are attacked
@@babyboo9252 you mean the people in the audience who are most likely rich enough to attend this event, pretty sure they dont represent the majority of people in those countries given the statistic that 10 % of any given population produces geniuses the majority of people in the world are not smart/intelligent and they will be the demise of the entire planet
What program is he using to generate those graphs for this presentation? It's freaking awesome and beats the hell out of my lame excel copy pasted graphs into ppt.
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Great presentation!
Starting with advanced plotting & stats analyses, yet at the end the simplest and oldest cardboard boxes piles lifted by hand. The abstract and the concrete! The contrast yielded effectiveness.
The man is a master!
The way you wrote this pissed me off. I just want you to know that.
he says family planning but what he means is women's rights eg the right for women's access to contraception
Access to contraception is not a right. I have no moral obligation to assist someone in getting an abortion. However you could argue they have a right to not have their access to contraception unnecessarily impeded.
Edit: for some reason 3 years ago i equated abortion with contraception. I don't know why. However it is both true that access to contraception is not a right and access to an abortion is not a right because they both require resources beyond the default. But whether or not it's a right is separate from whether or not it's a good thing for everyone to have. Unwanted children are not good for anyone so it seems obvious that it's probably good to give everyone access to what they need to prevent unwanted children (at least cheap versions of contraception because the vast majority agree it's not murder and it's such a small burden on the taxpayers). It's not like we're at a shortage of humans.
But contraception isn't the same thing as abortion, is it? Otherwise, you do have a point.
Contraceptives are means to prevent ovulation: condoms, 2nd-day-pills etc. Access to contraception should be a right if it isn't in any region of the world. It's to prevent many psychological and financial crises that might erupt within families.
Imagine being sexually active and it being illegal (or not tolerated) in some form to not have a child every time. As long as you are active for let's say a decade, you're likely to have a big big family, which you might not always afford to care for.
And that has everything to do with religion. So basically, his conclusion is wrong.
people say family planning, what they mean is devoid societies from babies and future population decline.
Hans Rosling is awesome. This talk was so simple to understand while being entertaining and educational. I can only recommend his other talks as well.
Hans Rosling. Never seen a dull video from the guy. Always brilliant and to the point.
Love this guy for showing, with empirical data and his shifting graph, a clear and salient point.
The only thing I think he doesn't acknowledge, is that unlike what religion frequently pretends, their rules are not an absolute unchangable truth but that rather religion changes with the times, much like other ideas do. Religion IS a factor, not as an absolute block, but as a deterrent in how quickly these factors are allowed to change. Looking at the four factors listed, children survival rate is a matter of biology and healthcare, children needed for work is a factor of economics, neither of which are probably heavily influenced by religion (especially in countries where secular notions of healthcare can legally supersede extreme religious beliefs).
Factors 3 and 4 however, the ability of women to get an education and join the workforce, as well as family planning, IS influenced by religion. A key factor of religion is that it relies on natural law, which are essential traits of a natural order independent of an individuals actual capability or choice. It would be equally naive to say that religious rules have not been historical facors in this matter (determining, for example, the role of women in societies), as it would be to say there hasn't been any improvement in these areas amongst religious ideas. Hans Rosling shows us a great graph of the past 50-60 years, but during this period we've seen amazing strides in women's rights (both in education and in family planning) worldwide that we haven't seen in centuries before these dates. What would happen to his graphs if it took into account not the past 50 years, but the past 500?
To make a horrible pun about his graphs, religion clearly isn't the sole factor but religion helps determine how fast these balls drop.
I agree that religions change over time but that’s because societies have shaped religion in their image. When societal norms change, religion changes. When I was in India many years ago, most people really looked down on me (middle class woman) for working after I had a child. Especially so because my husband had a good job. Nowadays several middle class women work after having a child and it’s not that much of a novelty in any class. That was just society changing and not dictated by my religion (which as it happens has no opinion on professional women)
@@dasikakn Social norms are never a homogenous group, they're heterogenous with religion(s) being one or more factors, every factor vying for as much control as they can.
Society doesn't change without its components changing, the question is which one(s) and what exactly is changing. Sometimes it's religion. Sometimes religion strenuously tries to resist, oppose and overcome the change. It is the different components of society that change each other, with what we call society simply being an overarching (and fairly local) concept.
Many societies have changed, and many societies have become more secular in the process, seperating church and state. India has been a secular state since 1976, but despite such a significant stride it currently has a "cultural nationalistic" party in power whose definition of "Indian culture" strongly favours Hinduism.
On the other hand, the caste system still exists in India, which means a different poilitical factor pulling on society through its influence. Now I am no expert on India and its (caste) politics and religion so I don't know what their exact stance on women is but going by your story, the position of women wasn't all that different from the position of women in developed western nations during the first half of last century. So if their improved position stands, that's great, and we can only hope that lasts.
It should be noted that even in developed western European countries and the USA there are plenty groups who call upon religion or some form of natural law to determine the position of women. I only need to drive for about an hour to hit a community where women are still "encouraged" to be housewives and raise kids. These ideas are obviously not new, they're old, and if these people had their way, that'd be the norm again. If these countries had a strong conservative group rise to power similar to the one in India, it'd risk obliterating women's rights. Sadly we don't always move forwards.
This guy helps so much with my anxiety!
Wow! It was an intriguing TED talks. Hans rosling, you were rocked on the stage, and the software you were used there is very attractive, and amazing. I have watched many presentation of yours, and I hope this might be one of my favorite, and I wish you many presentation to come in future. Beak a leg!
He passed away a year and a half ago.
This is one the most important talks I have heard from TED, informative and well presented too. Very good work!
That box illustration was brilliant! He's perfected the art of making a simple demonstration of a complex idea.
Hans: "Everyone understands that there is a limit to how many people can live on earth."
Covid 19: "Got it."
A refreshingly substantive ted talk. Very nice.
Half the comments: I don't care what the data says, my preconceived notions and anecdotes are more reliable.
I'm not surprised. My dad still to this day perceive all romani people in Sweden based on what he was told by one romani child in the 1960s. Because we all know the 9 year old kid next door knows everything and is a perfect representative of an entire people and it's not as if you'd remember something wrong or any social progression would happen just because 50 years go by. /sarcasm
Wow, just read through a bunch... you're right.
Seriously, he demonstrated math with blocks visually... but math smath, who cares right, butt yanking to whatever whim fits one's fancy is more enjoyable right?
Rosling is very influenced by his position that anything that Muslims and non whites is doing his okay. He is not the only expert in this field, but he is very promoted by the UN and the likes of TED.
Hugo, Why would you say that under this topic? Are you trying to illustrate OPs point? :)
Hans Tun
Risking builds in a whole load of assumptions into his model. There are other demographers with other less politically correct points of view. One of Roslings assumptions for example is that the excess population in Africa and the Middle East will do no damage to the structure of western societies when their excess population moves. He is also very optimistic about our ability to feed an extra billion per decade. He ignore the massive ecological damage that human over population is doing to the other creatures that live on this planet.
Rosling always conflated immigrants and refugees. He was very in favour of Sweden taking the huge number of immigrants it has taken over the last few years - and look at the disaster that is proving to be for Swedish society.
He's assuming no such thing. He's clearly acknowledging the fact that when the survival of the family is dependant on the number of children they have, and if the child mortality is high, people need to have more children.
RIP Hans Rosling. I’m glad he finished his book. He changed my life
I LOVE the way Hans says "babies per woman." I also love how he makes his points simply and directly. People like Hans are the kind of forward thinkers that *might* get us through this mess we've made as humans.
Hans Rosling is an incredible educator. I love his talks.
“Religion has very little to do with number of babies per woman.” - *Catholics nod nervously*
*Mormons start to sweat*
*amish start to shiver*
And muslim women and men?
Wow. This is where I was introduced to this gentleman today. And in about 1 min in found out he has passed away and I'm so sad about that. I met him, liked him and lost him is 12 mins.
What a GREAT teacher and pedagog Hans Rosling was. Incredibly complicated stuff is explained in 20 minutes! I'm so impressed every time I listen and watch him lecture! Humor and facts nicely mixed together. 👍❤️
PS. Be sure to also watch his lecture The incredible Washing machine.
As income/and/or education increase, women have fewer children and this doesn't change much with religious affiliation. Rosling points out birth rates don't vary much by religion.
I would add that more women entered the workforce in the US over the last 30 years because the value of the dollar has decreased and wages have been flat compared to inflation.
No. Rosling shows that social change as measured by children per woman leads income.
Yes. Rosling said that birth rates don't vary much by religion. can you elaborate more on leads income?
+More Cowbell
"You don't have to get rich to have few children...it has happened all over the world".
That's Rosling's comment at 6:11 and sums it up nicely.
achtungcircus
Thank you for the elaboration.
That is correct, you don't have to get rich to have few children. It is also correct that the more education women receive, the fewer children they produce. This was the basis of my statement.
Yep. Correlation does not mean causation
RIP Hans Rosling I miss him and regret never having the chance to meet him
Enlightening and fresh even in 2020. Helped me get a big picture reality trajectory of the world and a clarity of objective that we need to keep in mind when our generation globally holds the positions of key decision makers in the next three decades.
One of the best TED Talks. Definitely a favourite.
I know we swedish people got Zlatan Ibrahimovic but Hans is the main mothafucka from Sweden
Sweden is Saudi Arabia of Feminism
Nikolai huh?
Fashionable Skeleton , read again, this time slowly (you are allowed to stuck your tongue out when you reach more difficult letters).
Wb PewDiePie?
@@sakadabara are u mentally stunted or something ur comment makes no sensen what do u mean sweden is the Saudi Arabia of feminism m
- Hans Rosling: It is inevitable that we will be two to three billion more.
- Coronavirus: lest just see about that.
I mean it’s mostly getting rid of elderly population, so it’ll just be a higher shock factor when the population jumps...
The world needs more Hans Roslings. Thank you TED, thank you Mr Rosling, we will miss you.
Being an Indian I can feel that difference. I am a single child of my parents. But my great grandfather had 7 children
I’m swedish, like Hans btw, and I too can almost feel the difference. My grandad who came from a poor family had 10 siblings. Now no one gets that many kids in Sweden. He himself got two kids. And his daughter, my mother got two kids.
I feel sorry for your grandma who gave labor 7 times, your grandpa did almost nothing tbh
German here. I have two children. My father had five siblings, my father-in-law had six. Both had siblings dying as kids, so what Mr. Rosling says makes a lot of sense to me.
If only Infinity War came out during this time, then he could have thrown in some population jokes about Thanos
If he includes the increase in life expectancy to 90 years in 2100, then the world population will be 12 billion. That would probably be the population.
This guy is an amazing keynote speaker !
What is that dynamic plot software that he is using ?
+osquigene www.gapminder.org/news/upgrade-notes-gapminder-world-offline-version-0-0-7/
+osquigene Hah! Was totally going to comment on how awesome he is as an orator. Instead, I'll just share my sentiments under your comment and be redundant. Teehee :D
+osquigene We used it for a school project once, it's fantastic!
If you make people richer no matter how much wont they use more carbon energy? And then they will have better medical care and live longer also producing more carbon? And even in rich countries are there not people on welfare that have significantly more children and those people are more wealthy on welfare than some of the people in Bangladesh and they are to lazy to work and just have more kids for more money. Do we just give them more money and say you can have it only if you stop having kids? In rich countries the poorer have 4 kids the rich have one or 2. Do we make everyone rich.? And the rich use 5 times more carbon than the poor per person so its like we have 5 poor kids to each rich kid.
Gapminder
One of the best presentation skills on ted talk ever. I wanted to give a standing ovation to Mr. Rosling.
I have never before heard a more compact TED talk
An outstanding presentation!! I would really like to have been in his university lectures. Science made easy and engaging.
Stunning presentation. The best I've seen.
Oversimplified impact of religion on the number of babies per woman (fertility):
1960: Mainly mid-income families can afford to have less than three babies.
2010: The fertility depends more on income than on religion. [@ 04:17]
High Mortality -> High birth-rate (for compensation) -> Fast Population Growth [@ 06:52]
Babies per woman decrease when: [@ 09:14]
- Children survive
- Many children are not demanded for work (e.g. less poverty)
- Women get education and join the labor force
- Family planning is accessible (e.g. increased marriage age)
@PikPobedy the comment is a summary of the whole video not a new claim
Those boxes at the end may be the simplest and at the same time the best demonstration of an abstract thought I have ever seen.
An outstanding way to illustrate and explain this concept! Really well delivered.
"I honestly believed it was a factor, this TED talk has now shown me I was incorrect."
I'm always seeing this kind of intellectual honesty in T.E.D. comments. I love it. :)
I love this man so much. I'm still so sad that he is no longer with us. RIP Hans.
Why he dead?
@@doketong5161 He said it himself, old people die.
@@doketong5161 pancreatic cancer
Couldn't agree more.
However, I think what he meant is that there are no significant differences between religions. Whether you are Christian, Hindu or Muslim does not influence your fertility rate. The fact that you are religious, does.
I did not expect that answer, very happy that I watched the video Thank you Mr. Ted Talk
Loved the manner in which such a complicated issue was shared with sensitivity and simplicity. Thanks
when people get educated they tend to be less religious, in iran and turkey where the birth rate dropped dramtically most of the people (not the goverment) are secular as well as educated, and not necsserialy rich.
***** that's true (about 50% , there were clashed over the seperation of state and religion recently), what's your point ?
Actually, the government of Turkey is secular and has been proudly so since the days of Ataturk. They like to point out to we Americans how we have the word "God" on our money, etc., and they would never do that. However, since the Iraq invasion radical Islamists have gotten more of a foothold in the country, which is against their constitution which is, again, secular.
M. Entera Actually, Turkey, just recently, is becoming more and more Islamic and Women's rights are becoming threatened; in some ways Turkey is in retrograde. However, many people wish to keep Turkey secular. I recently met a young lady from Turkey at a world leadership congress (I'm from the US myself) in Chicago and she is very angry and worried about the direction her country is moving toward, as are many other turkish people.
ninjahobo1510 Yes, my first visit to Turkey was in 1999. Turkey now is much more militant and all the warfare around them (thanks, George Bush for kicking that hornet's nest) has resulted in a resurgence of right wing, religious fanatics. So sad to see it happening. Turkey is still one of my favorite countries, however.
Enoch H can you elaborate on that ? to my best of knowledge Iranians are pretty educated, there is almost no mosque attendance, very low birth rate, those variables point to secularism.
Hans Rosling, the Rock Star of TED indeed.
Coolest Swede and statistician, rest in peace!
Thanks for making this world a little clearer!
We could really use Hans today, sad that he left us so early, I hope he is happy wherever he is today :')
When he explained the population growth stoping with the boxes that just blew my mind
I agree religions can change the number of children they have without changing their beliefs. I think changes in the number of children could be achieved through educating women, accurate representation and access to family planning, and women in the workforce.
I disagree that religion has “little to do with the number of babies per woman.” I come from a family of 8 children from my parents. My siblings have an average of 4 children each. I feel strongly that religion influenced the decision of my parents and siblings more than access to family planning resources. They live in the US, are college-educated, and donate significant time and resources to their church.
Perhaps my family is an outlier, and I hope so. I plan on two children.
Mormons, they’re gonna save the white race 😆
Hans Rosling, you are missed, so very much.
Brilliant visualisation and piece of research.
I like Hans Rosling's way of explaining the world, and what I find most fascinating is his work with Ebola and with the decease konzo .
RIP Hans, we are grateful for your contribution in the field
"Religion has nothing to do with the amount of babies people have" - Except when religious people go against women's education and participation in the economy, and against family planning (sounds familiar?), which are literally the main reasons for women having too many babies...
“The great fill-up” is the most appropriate name ever. After all, it’s how most pregnancies begin.
Haaaaa haaaaaaa haaa i see what you did there
Presenting dry figures in such an amusing and informative way, this guy is a huge talent! 👍
My young neighbor just gave birth and the "doctors" refused to give her one drop of pain killer or topical skin pain killer like lidocane(common in home births), she said she "felt like" she gave birth in "prison" by the way her discomfort was treated😢 and she was forced to suffer, she will never give birth in a hospital again, my husband kept giving me tylenol every 2 hours thru my labor and helped apply lidocane thru my home delivery and recovery and my daughter is fine.
The problem here is that he doesn't account for decreasing death rates. Instead of the 2 being removed and 2 being added at the top, 1 will be removed and 2 will be added. That's the issue with the projection.
@PikPobedy
The average lifespan is increasing. Medicine is getting better, people are living longer. The lifespan expectancy is only going to keep going up.
Super Catman not significant enough. Life span is only increasing by a matter of months.
He makes me proud to be Swedish! If only i've ever had a teacher like Hans.
He is a bit off, but this was a very short presentation. People who are devout (regardless of whether Jew or Christian or whatever) tend to have more kids. So there is a correlation between religiousness and children, if not religion and TFR.
Thank you - you understand.
Why are Hindu and Buddhism put together under the name "eastern religion" but christianity and islam are seperate?
Because they are both eastern religions? Buddhism and hinduism. Buddha was a hindu too before he went on to meditate. Moreover they share similarities like rebirth, moksha, karma etc.
because he wanted just a few categories to group the data. you could look at 200 different religions and color each one differently, but then it'd look like a big mess.
Probably because of individual population
Because all eastern religions look alike.
@@veebee5865 he wasn't Hindu btw
I love the charts and animations! There's so much data easily accessible there.
I like the idea of considering the connection between religion and number of babies. His approach of taking the average religion of a country is good for general statistics, I think.
I would be interested to see a further study that discusses degree of adherence to a religion in connection with number of babies. In a country that is "on average" a certain religion, I'd imagine that most in that country aren't super devout/only adhere to that religion nominally (at least from what I've seen). Measuring "devout-ness" is certainly less objective than population statistics, but I think there are ways you could do it.
Hugely informative.....data and clear analysis and explanation is a wonderful thing.
I love his stick soooooo much I can’t even
When he said "religion" and the camera panned to the Muslims
Me: oh this man is riding the edge
Doctor: "let's talk about qatar"
Camera: pans back to Muslims
Me: oh boyyy I knew this was edgy but now it's like they aren't even hiding it
What?
Hans Rosling, he is amazing
Maybe some of that went over my head, because people clapped a lot and I didn't understand why for most of it. Loved his charts.
Interesting that a talk titled "Religion and babies" concluded that there is no correlation between religion and how many babies are had per woman. It is as if he was trying to rope in religious people like myself to talk about population growth. But he wasn't threatening about it. And I like that he concluded that we must prepare for a certain height of population, not necessarily decrease the number of children we are having.
I recently was discussing population momentum the other day. This was a GREAT visual to show that concept!
certainly one of the best presentation on ted
He left out the part that one of the reasons people aren't getting access to family planning... is religion.
Murdering children in the womb...is that birth control? The founder of planned Parenthood was a full blown racist. Read why she promoted abortion.
@@Harrytritt1 we have of those who force religion on people and act like they know science lol
@@Harrytritt1 birth control and abortion are two completely separate entities. Birth control uses hormones to disrupt a woman's menstrual cycle in order for her not to be fertile, thus unable to have her egg fertilised by a sperm. Abortion is removing a fertilised egg/embryo. I wish the same level of education was given to every human!
Depends on religion. Baptists? Pretty likely. Catholic church? They made their own version that they endorse called natural family planning, using timed abstinence instead of birth control. LA Christian? They'll give out free condoms after church. Can't be so simplistic about this as if all religions are the same, cause they're all over the spectrum on these issues.
Averages vary wildly,my wife and I have 7 children in Western NC USA...And most of the family's in our area have 3 to 4 children average,the Amish in our area 15 children or more.. .....................The last 2 from IVF,my family's is upper middle class...
If you could this for 2020 data and have a website that would be incredible. Geography nerds like me would be forever grateful
This is so extremely important! Hans was a gift to the world
the more books you read, the less children you will have
Tell him that to my mom, the most educated person I know.
Especially if you read in bed.
Simon Laberge I don't think atheists are brainwashed. They are educated and open minded.
religious people are brainwashed and mostly with less access to education.
not necessarily. I agree that more educated people won't just pump out children for no reason, but you can be very educated and want to have a family, the two aren't mutually exclusive
@@alexmoore9580 This is true, my mother is very educated yet she has 4 children which is above the average.
I especially liked the part about mortality and high birth rates. Years ago, I had a deep conversation with a stranger about why it seemed that there were more people in the world after the most devastating wars the world had occurred rather than before.
My theory was that soldiers went around knocking up their gals and whichever gals would have them and then going overseas and doing the same. Their logic would be something akin to YOLO but more like"I'm going to get a bullet in me soon anyway"
It's more like the rules of the religions change, as they have always done in response to a changing world. Religions aren't static, even though their fundamental scriptures often are. They still have to be interpreted and applied in a context, and that's why the interpretations and implementations vary over time and geography.
Most religions dont stick to their old texts most of the time, which is a contradiction to their own beliefs that they claim to have
Religions these days are just picking and choosing beliefs because it suits them and ignore the ones that they dont like, which goes against most religion's texts
They shouldnt even conisder their texts to be the basis of their own beliefs but they seem to anyway, despite them probably finding half the stuff in their text to be horrible(if they read it)
"What to expect when no one's expecting" is a great book.
Awesome TedTalk. Informative and very ineresting
And once we reach that ten billion two of those boxes will be removed as the elders die. And if more people decide to have but one child, the population will start to decrease. As children become more expensive to raise, more people may choose to have fewer than two, or perhaps not have children thus eliminating the cost burden.
>> And once we reach that ten billion two of those boxes will be removed as the elders die.
Taking into account the state of health of elder people including all the factors that influence it those two highest boxes will shortly turn into one and are going to be 'removed' much sooner than the two boxes of the bottom row have appeared. Thus the population will start to decrease even faster than you think...
Which means that the children that are born are spoiled rotten, and grow up as entitled snow flakes who blames everything and everyone if they don't get their way, resulting in the collapse of civilization, and then we do it all over again.
@@Hannodb1961 I know children with no siblings can grow up to be terrible, but that only happens when the parents don't support the efforts made at the childcare to teach them compassion and sharing with their peers. Frankly, that doesn't only happen in single child households - my mom had 6 siblings, and from what I've seen, 5 of them never learned compassion and sharing. It seems the overcrowded household turned them selfish as a coping mechanism of sorts. Either way, a healthy amount of parental engagement and the proper parenting techniques does wonders for any amount of children.
@@Iunanec True that. My best friend is married to a single child, and what an upstanding woman that is. I was actually more referring to the fact that we're spending too much money on kids, rather than referring to the number kids we have. When you always give a kid whatever they want, they become spoiled.
I would have preferred if he had split christianity into protestantism and catholisism. Not that I think it would have changed much but because the preconception is that catholics have more children due to the church's ban on contraceptions.
It would also have been interesting to see if there is any correlation with how secular a society is but I suspect that data does not exist for most countries or is very unreliable. There is a great difference between a devout christian and someone who sees the church simply as "the wedding venue" but both would call themselves christian so in this study they would be the same.
I realize that a TEDTalk can't explore every facet of a subject. I just wish I could get more Hans Rosling. I'd like to pick his brain.
I think people overestimate the influence of the catholic church these days. I am African (strongly religious continent) and Catholic but my country's health policy emphasizes the use of contraceptives to prevent overpopulation and HIV. The church takes a back seat on this issue these days and if you are up to date with current events, Pope Benedict (the one who resigned recently) encouraged the use of contraceptives. So the whole "Catholics produce more children" theory is invalid these days.
***** They were taken into account; of the countries shown not everyone in that country was religious obviously, it was just a way to separate the country by dominant religion - the country's total fertility rate was taken into account. I.e. for the Qatar example the figures didn't only count those who identified with a religion.
What you're wanting in this case is actually irrelevant. He's proven that the root cause of population growth is poverty and lack of maternal education. So whether a country is more or less secular has nothing to do with that specifically. I say that because religion and how secular a society is or is not are closely related (obviously). So if religion has nothing to do with it, then whether a society is more or less secular also has nothing to do with it, it's poverty.
jessicahomely101 Like I said there is a huge difference between the level of belief between people of the same religion. The data in this talk only differentiates between which religion people affiliate with not by the level of belief in said religion.
While I believe that poverty is indeed, as Hans says, the chief determining factor it is conceivable that the level of belief is also relevant and it would be interesting to see data on this to be able to confirm or reject that. Having proved correlation with one factor does not preclude other factors. But quite possibly the level of belief is also affected by how rich/poor people are which could make it hard to discern if it is a case of A->B & A->C or if it is A->B->C. Correlation does not imply causation after all.
Anders Öhlund Like I said...level of belief isn't relevant and I'll explain why. It doesn't matter whether you go to Church once a year and call yourself a Christian or go to Church every single day and still call yourself a Christian. It doesn't matter if you're a Muslim girl who wears a hijab and dresses modest or whether you're a Muslim girl who walks around in mini skirts. Based on this video we can deduce that one's beliefs/what they practice has nothing to do with how many kids a women gives birth to or how many a man fathers in the future. In other words.. the number of kids a woman has isn't dictated by her religion. So explain to me why it would matter how 'religious' she is if her beliefs aren't a factor anyway? As long as all the people practing said religion are included in the statistics, and that means the fundamentalists and also the "Sunday morning Christians" I'm satisfied. That's kind of the whole point of this video.. to prove to people who always insist that it's the teachings of religion that faciliates oversized families (for reasons like prohibiting contraception for example) that they're actually misinformed. So now do you understand why it doesn't matter how devouted one is or is not to their religion? It's because poverty is at the root, not the teachings of Christianity or Islam or Judaism or Buddihism etc. You brought up another point about the possible relationship between one's level of belief and his or her wealth. Describe how that's relevant to population growth? (outside of what Hans already included in his graph which included the income per person in each country)
Hans Rosling agrees = Science agrees...that's confidence 101!
this guy is the best at presentations. i gotta learn like him.
it would be really great to see an update of this talk