That was 20 years ago to be fair, and I'd argue that in terms of fanbase, Spurs were still a big club at the time, even if they weren't trophy winners (obviously). City surpassed Portsmouth in the league for the next two years after 03-04, and Spurs did it for the next three seasons.
The Big Six is much more recent than that - It was still a Big Four until the early 2010s! Spurs only had two Top 6 finishes between 1990 and 2010 {5th in 06 and 07}. Man City went 17 seasons without a Top 6 finish between 92 {5th} and 2010 {5th}. Everton had 5 Top 6 finishes in that same period. Blackburn had 6. Newcastle had 7. Aston Villa and Leeds United both finished in the Top 6 NINE TIMES!
Everton were of course in the original big 5 during the inaugural EPL season alongside Man Utd' Liverpool' Arsenal and Spurs which is really hard to believe nowadays but Everton certainly are a long with very rich tradition and have played more seasons in the English top flight than any other team
@@matthancock260 you refuse to put the team with the 6th most trophies won in the 6th spot in the group of the teams with the 6th most trophies? Exquisite logic
Wolves have basically been docked 8 points this season - We'd be 6th...1 point behind Spurs and 4 points ahead of Man U if Refs and VAR hadn't cheated us earlier in the season. 6 points ahead of Man U if we'd put away just one of the myriad blatant chances we had against them at Old Trafford in August and the clear penalty had been given!
God as an Everton fan this was a depressing watch to see how far we've fallen. I'm glad some people could see what an unreal job Moyes did for Everton though. Great video mate.
@@westhamaremassive8099 gladly.. you lot really need to be grateful for what he has done for your club, youre sitting in 7th talking about wanting him sacked (js won the conference for west ham)
@@kskhas6750 grateful for what? Ruining our youth academy being an arrogant idiot. Playing 20% possession dross. You take him you watch that dross because we don’t want to anymore. Anyone could of won that cup in the prem. here’s a stat combined all the teams we played in that competition combined didn’t have a net spend near us. We were favourites by a country mile so anyone could of won that trophy with that squad off players we have the 8th highest spend in the top 5 leagues in Europe. But yes Moyes is the reason we are so good. Not the fact we have paqueta Bowen kudus an overall unreal squad in general no it’s because of David Moyes
Yeah I would've classified you as part of the big 6 because a lot of them time you was battling for europa league often when you were managed by Moyes and Roberto Martinez
So basically what we have gathered is that the new big six is Villa, Newcastle, Blackburn, Leeds, Leicester and Everton are the new big 6, whilst Southampton was the 7 team that was always in the league but never really close of winning, (such as the current Everton)
Yeah in some ways it would be nice if they just buggered off and let the Prem become the old Division 1. May as well send all the prem teams away as most of them aren't even big clubs these days (who the f supports Luton, Palace, Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton)
Agreed as a seagull, I can still acknowledge that palace are actually also a big club with a lot of fans and no one shuts up about selhurts park@@hakc97again
@@jackbrownio3 I know that was hardly meant to be a serious comment haha, but, to be fair, the last Division 1 season did have some big clubs in it, like you know, literally Luton Town and Crystal Palace, Notts County, Oldham, Wimbledon, and in the previous few seasons, clubs like Millwall and Oxford United. I mean, Brentford are probably smaller than all of those clubs, and maybe Bournemouth, but we (Brentford), couldn't really fill our old 11000 seat stadium, so I don't know what'll happen when we get relegated again, now in a 17000 seater stadium.
Going back to season 1985/86 with 1984/85 being the last time someone outside of Celtic / Rangers won there would have been 8 different winners. Aberdeen would have been champions 12 times, Hearts 11 times, Motherwell 6 times, Hibs & Dundee Utd 3 times and finally Kilmarnock, St Johnstone & Livingston all winning 1 title each.
Spanish league winners without Real Madrid, Barca and Atletico; German league winners without Bayern and Dortmund; French league winners without PSG; Portuguese league winners without Benfica, Porto and Sporting Lisbon
Day 21 of asking a "What Went Right for Stade Brestois?" Video This is currently, by far, the best season in club history, one which could result in their first ever qualification for Europe in over 70 years of existence. There's a fascinating story to tell, from going bankrupt and slowly climbing back, to various great names that played there such as Ribéry, Makélélé or José Luis Brown, to the story of the Brest president going up against the Colombian drug cartel. Plus, you can have a lot of Brest related puns. Would love to see that concept for other leagues, such as Spain
@@akunwanneprosper7016 I would argue that this is more impressive in Brest's case as Lens are former French champions, have had impressive European runs in the past and has a bigger budget than Brest who has the 15th budget in France
Best German players in the premier league of all time. (Day 609) I will not give up until the video is made or Alfie himself tells me to stop. Everyone else telling me that will be ignored. If you don't believe my number, just go back to the previous videos. I'm at the bottom most of the time, but I'm there.
If you did that, then the 2022/23 winner would have been Brentford as the only PL winner that hadn't won it before and this year's winner would be Luton as the only PL team left that hadn't won it before. The favourites for 2024/25 would be Hull, Norwich or Preston.
@@yatman6305 If the PL winners couldn't win again then Southampton would have won it in 13/14, Leeds in 99/00, Ipswich in 00/01, Leicester not until 15/16, West Brom in 11/12.
Solid video idea Alf, always thinking outside the box. Keep up the good work. I'd like to ask if you could incorporate more players'nicknames? I think it's a shame the English side of the game doesn't partake in it as much, as say the Latin side. I'm sure as you go, you'll find more obscure ones, but for now I'll give ya 5, and whoever you mention in the video. Di María - El Fideo (The noodle, because he's skinny) Enzo - La Perla (The pearl) Ivan Zamorano - Bam Bam (He liked the Flintstones as a kid) Gary Medal - Pitbull (Yeah) Cade Cowell - El vaquero (The cowboy, this one is interesting because it's so recent, but he's really taken to it since he's moved and he's become a fan favorite. )
I remember seeing the statistics for the 20/21 season after the Super League episode, if you took out all the big 6's results, West Ham would actually have more points than Leicester.
Newcastle's Robson era was some of the greatest campaign The Magpies have done, especially with the likes of Given, Bellamy, Shearer, Lua-lua and Ameobi.
I guess I’m going to have to be that guy, but to be really true to the mission of this video, you’d have to deduct every point that teams got from the Big 6 clubs instead of just looking at the real world table. But I appreciate that it probably would’ve been way too much work.
Interesting video! I didn't fully appreciate that the one year I was living in East London was that exact season where we won the "non-big 6" table - I was mad we dropped under Man United during their banter era.
@HITC, rate the top 10 series. But the What on earth is going on at... and the deep dives into Countries are top tier lad. Love from New Zealand. Keep it up!!! It's always red panty night when you drop
As a Spurs fan, I dont recognise that we are treated the same way as Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City. We have gradually built our way into a position where we can more or less safely assume a top 8 finish every year, but we never start the season with a real prospect of winning the league.
It seems Spurs are on a place all of their own, just below the top 5 but above everyone else. Good idea for a video though... "are Spurs really part of the big 6"? _Sit back, relax and join me on a journey to North London..._ 😄
Yeah - I was dwelling on this - Apparently we are a big club!! In all seriousness - before The FA Cup lost its lustre and it was all about winning the league or Premier League - Spurs were regarded as a big club because of the FA Cup. It’s been 33 yrs since we won my favourite trophy. But some won’t care because it’s not the Premier League or UCL. Crazy in that everyone bangs on about the trophies but if we won The Europa Conference it won’t be good enough for a team like Spurs (according to some media types)
In fairness the last time the top flight of English football was unpredictable season to season was the 70s. Title winners, Arsenal, Derby, Everton, Leeds, Liverpool, Nottingham Forest and even then Liverpool became dominant by the end. But come to think about it, Bob Paisley made the 70s less predictable than 1960s top flight.
In sum. Before the Premier League , it was a big five (Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Everton & Spurs). During the 90s, Everton and Spurs dropped back to mid table, at best. Leeds, Blackburn, Villa and Newcastle competed at the top end on a semi regular basis - before most dropped back by the end of the decade. Chelsea, for the first time since the early 70s, rejoined the elite in the late 90s - cemented further by the Abramovich takeover. For most of the 2000s, it was a big four (Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool). Man City, and following in their slipstream, Spurs, come up at the beginning of the 2010s, to turn it into a big six. Everton, Leicester, Villa and Newcastle have tried occasionally to crack the elite at different points in the last 12 years, but not on a consistent enough basis. And that is where we are now.
chelsea was never a big club even in the early 70s. Before they started cheating in 1995 they had 4 trophies in their 90 year history, spent a third of their history in the lower leagues, had an avg top flight league position of 13th and regularly played in front of crowds of 8,000 people. They are more comparable to a wimbledon or charlton level club.
@@ANewDawn01 Not one to defend Chelsea myself. But between the mid 60s and early 70s, they were mostly in the top five, and finishing as London’s top side regularly. They were having a purple patch in winning trophies, and were regularly in the top six for top flight attendances. Similar to Spurs since 2009 (accept for the trophy bit). Most historians of English football agree, Chelsea were a big club in that period. As for the low attendances. That was in the late 70s and early 80s, where they spent huge chunks in Div2.
I'm going to be a pain, but if you're serious about recalibrating the table without the 'top 6', you should remove the results of the remaining teams against those six in order to work out the real 'winners'. Also, as you say, the notion of the 'big 6' has changed over time, so it's slightly unfair to include Man City (and Chelsea pre-Abaramovic) in the early years, while excluding Blackburn and Newcastle who were among the biggest teams in England at the time.
Also independent Cornish XI, see how they'd do against San Marino Or give them Devon as well so they could have Ollie Watkins: the pride of Newton Abbot
You Should make a Video Like the What is going At Malaga one you made but About The Turkish Team Bursaspor The Team Who played Man Utd in the Champions League in 2010/11 Ever since then Bursaspor have been Relegated 3 time and are now Bottom of the Third Division in the Turkish league I thought this would be a Good video idea I don’t know
If we take Newcastle as an example, people complain under PSR that they cannot spend big. BUT their Stadium can be either upgraded and enlarged, increasing revenue. They can invest heavily in their Academy. They can look at ways to increase revenue. None of that involves PSR.
Just wondering... when compiling this video, did you go purely based on final league positions each year, or did you actually remove each team's results versus the Big Six? In many cases it would have made no difference, but it may have done on some occasions...
I would have done it the way you said, but I got the impression Alfie just went by league position, as he is the sort of person to say if he does something more conveluted. Oddly enough I would have expected Alfie to go the extra mile, because it is something he often does. If I was being cruel I would say I am disappointed in him. But I am not; and this was still entertaining.
Possibly video idea - which cities have the most professional clubs, so London has 7 in the prem, 1 in the champ, 2 in league 1 and 2 in league 2. So that's 12 London clubs in our professional leagues. I know you could also include 5 from the national league and 1 from but those leagues aren't considered professional like the 92
@@AmazinJ89 from what I can tell 18 are currently in professional leagues. Wiki "Football in Buenos Aires" , the last club in this list play in _Primera D Metropolitana_ which is amateur. Maybe the 24 is a world record for having 24 at some point? I suppose the boundary of what is considered Buenos Aires could also be a factor?
Before watching the video, I specifically remember that the second half of Crystal Palace's season under Tony Pulis, we were really good at beating every other club in the league EXCEPT the big six (in fact we were top of the table if you excluded the top 8's results). I wonder how high up we would be with just the top 6 removed. And then the first (full) season under Roy Hodgson was the complete opposite. We upset the Big Six repeatedly and lost to the teams at the bottom of the table. EDIT: Oh, you literally just checked the table to see who was closest to the top. That's boring. I was hoping for some actual data analysis.
Hey Alfie, I have a video idea for you - with Liverpool’s Caribao Cup winning team containing three sons of Premier League players, maybe you could do the 7 best nepo babies (headed by Maldini?) or the 7 worst (and you could add your own perspective on whether Alex Bruce wins this one!)
A "Big Six"? Sounds like a dream for the German football fan, having Bayern München win the Bundesliga for 10 years now, only being somewhat rivaled by Borussia Dortmund.
"It's this degree of chaos and excitement that should happen every season that makes football fun." To which the Lords of the English Game said "Well, we can't have any of THAT, now can we?"
The old premier league in the 90’s reminds me of how the Brazilian serie A is today - very unpredictable with teams that were promoted one season leading the league that same season like Botafogo and almost even Grêmio
This isn’t title winners without top six, this is the highest finishing team excluding the top six, you would have to take out the results against the big six to get a true result. Come on Alfie I thought you put more effort in to your video than this
All these people saying Tottenham shouldn’t be in the big six yet they finish in the top 6 most seasons. They also have brilliant facilities and a lot of money, silly people.
As interesting as this scenario is, it should be remembered that the owners, managers, and players of the missing big six would/could been involved among the other clubs (and national leagues).
One massive pet peeve I have is when casual fans complain when non-big clubs make the cup final, like this weekend's Copa del Rey final, because "no one will watch", when really it shows a healthier league and means players actually care about winning it
Summary for those too lazy to watch the whole video: more than 90% of the teams here are Everton, Aston villa, Blackburn, Leeds, Leicester city and Newcastle
it’s crazy that it costs 8x more to watch them prem on tv in england than it does in the states. peacock is $5 a month and gets you the prem and also top flight rugby
Including Newcastle in the "Rich 7" is assuming FFP isn't a thing. The owners' hands are tied, it's why we had to sell Saint Maximin, get Hall on a loan to buy, couldn't buy anyone in January, and Dan Ashworth has thrown his toys out the pram. To finish 4th with a squad including the likes of Jacob Murphy, Miguel Almiron, Sean Longstaff and Dan Burn is crazy. I'd say only Leicester winning the league is a bigger shock in the last 10 years. I admire Alfie for always taking a moral approach with his videos, and that's partly why he's one of my fave football content creators. But I would be interested to know what he would do if his beloved Hull City got bought out by a state. It's a catch 22 for Newcastle fans, and I'm sure it's the same for Man Utd fans in regards to the possibility of Mason Greenwood returning.
#thepeopleschannel a video on the Bangladesh premier league and the rise of Bashundhara kings would be good A team who went into the top flight after promotion and won the last four league titles now! Are they the next Newcastle? Are they a team to keep a eye on next few years? Thanks Alfie 😊
God I miss the days when Spurs were a midtable club. Curse you ENIC and Levy for ruining everything, I hope your own fans chase you out as soon as possible. They could really use their own Todd Boehly.
The most unpredictable league in the world, so Sky tell us - where two out of three teams are as good as relegated by November, the title race is between two teams, qualification for European competition has pretty much been decided by February, and literally half of the division spend the last four months of the season playing dead-rubber matches to see who'll finish 10th and who'll slip to 14th. So unpredictable! Meanwhile in the Championship...
Honestly lads, I don't really understand why we still consider Spurs as part of the "Big Six" if the last official title they won was back in 2008 (16 years ago) and historically had only won 2 league titles. This is clearly about the financial power rather than sporting achievements.
Probably a lot more work, but it would be interesting to see what the results of this would be if every result against Big 6 teams were removed from the final points totals as well
I've always wondered why Everton and Newcastle have had a long-running hatred of each other. This video explains exactly why. They're battling for best of the rest.
if you remove PSG from Ligue 1, France has one of the most diverse amount of title winners. we saw this until 2013, in which PSG began their utter dominance with Zlatan and Cavani
Off topic but what are people's thoughts on how Luton will do in the Champ next season? (Lets be honest they're going down which is no shame considering budget & the shambles of the 2 'better' promoted teams) personally I think they'll float around mid table with the big players they'll lose & I don't think many players 'too you'd for the level will trust they can go back up
Not over 'til it's over... the so-called experts said they'd be down before the Christmas decorations but they're the best performing promoted team. There's also the small matter of a possible (deserved) points deduction for Nottingham Forest. The fat lady hasn't even warmed up yet, let alone started singing.
Unless I am mistaken, there's a methodology error: if you want to figure out who would win the league without the big 6, you'd need to discount all points taken against said big 6, to eliminate any crappy patch of form from one of them. Not sure it'd make a huge difference, but that could actually be interesting
2015-16 season was technically a season without the Big Six. Because: -Chelsea was a big chaos as Mourinho lost the dressing room and they finished at the bottom half of the table at the end of January -Liverpool had a terrible start under Brandon Rodgers, so they've decided to get Klopp and focussed on the following season -Manchester United was just like the current Man U, which is terrible - Manuel Pellegrini announced he will be replaced by Guardiola as Manchester City manager next season, and their form naturally declined in the second half of the season. (He admits revealing this is the main reason they cut off from the title race) Only Spurs and Arsenal left to challenge Leicester for title, but since they are both Bottlers. The ultimate scenario "A Premier League season without the Big Six" happened and Leicester won the league. So, I think if this season scenario happened a year before or after, Southampton or Everton might've won the title. Or at least get a top 4 finnish.
£40 a month!?! I'm just a dirty colonial and we have many of our own problems, but were our locations reversed I find it hard to believe Sky Studio's wouldn't be on fire.
How can you say other than Leicester that Burnley was the biggest achievement when Ipswich came up and finished higher in the league?? All you talked about was Leeds for 3 straight seasons
Tbf I’d say this is not a unique problem of the Premier League, like if you look at La Liga, the top 4 every year is just always Barca + Real + Atletico + one more team, the Portuguese league top 3 is always Benfica + Porto + Sporting Lisbon, not to mention the German and French leagues with one team winning almost every single year…
15:15 It shows how recent the 'Big 6' is when in 2003/04, Portsmouth, in their first year in the Prem, finished above Spurs and Man City.
Tbh I feel like spurs barely count
That was 20 years ago to be fair, and I'd argue that in terms of fanbase, Spurs were still a big club at the time, even if they weren't trophy winners (obviously). City surpassed Portsmouth in the league for the next two years after 03-04, and Spurs did it for the next three seasons.
@@NineHandsthey consistently make it to the top 5-6, so imo it counts
The Big Six is much more recent than that - It was still a Big Four until the early 2010s!
Spurs only had two Top 6 finishes between 1990 and 2010 {5th in 06 and 07}.
Man City went 17 seasons without a Top 6 finish between 92 {5th} and 2010 {5th}.
Everton had 5 Top 6 finishes in that same period.
Blackburn had 6.
Newcastle had 7.
Aston Villa and Leeds United both finished in the Top 6 NINE TIMES!
For sure, I remember the big 4 but the big 5 and 6 was only in the early 2010s its weird how long people think it was
Moves did an absolute magnificent job turning Everton from perennial relegation fodder to a regular top 6 side.
Moyes=goat
thats just been the last 2-3 seasons
They were more mid-table generally in the preceding years, but he still did a fine job on a limited budget.
@@iankemp1131Yeah he bumped them up a fair few places and held them there for a decade just about
@@iankemp1131 they finished 15, 17, 14, 13 and 16 in the preceeding years..hardly mid table
Everton were of course in the original big 5 during the inaugural EPL season alongside Man Utd' Liverpool' Arsenal and Spurs which is really hard to believe nowadays but Everton certainly are a long with very rich tradition and have played more seasons in the English top flight than any other team
Yes this was when English football was real. Now its full of fake plastic dishwasher clubs like chelsea and man city
I can't understand why he excluded Villa.
They’ve not played outside the prem since it’s inception.. which is impressive when you look at how many times they just about escaped 😂
@@Linesjointspenaltypointsswear to god if Everton needed to beat Real Madrid to stay up they’d win 5-0
Wolves, Villa, West Ham, Brighton and Newcastle would love this scenario today
Villa are ahead of 2 of the the so called big 5, I refuse to put Tottenham in the category
as a Villa fan we are winning
@@matthancock260Half the league is ahead of Chelsea tbf, so that's not particularly impressive
@@matthancock260 you refuse to put the team with the 6th most trophies won in the 6th spot in the group of the teams with the 6th most trophies? Exquisite logic
Wolves have basically been docked 8 points this season - We'd be 6th...1 point behind Spurs and 4 points ahead of Man U if Refs and VAR hadn't cheated us earlier in the season.
6 points ahead of Man U if we'd put away just one of the myriad blatant chances we had against them at Old Trafford in August and the clear penalty had been given!
God as an Everton fan this was a depressing watch to see how far we've fallen. I'm glad some people could see what an unreal job Moyes did for Everton though. Great video mate.
You can have him back if you want
@@westhamaremassive8099 gladly.. you lot really need to be grateful for what he has done for your club, youre sitting in 7th talking about wanting him sacked (js won the conference for west ham)
@@kskhas6750 grateful for what? Ruining our youth academy being an arrogant idiot. Playing 20% possession dross. You take him you watch that dross because we don’t want to anymore. Anyone could of won that cup in the prem. here’s a stat combined all the teams we played in that competition combined didn’t have a net spend near us. We were favourites by a country mile so anyone could of won that trophy with that squad off players we have the 8th highest spend in the top 5 leagues in Europe. But yes Moyes is the reason we are so good. Not the fact we have paqueta Bowen kudus an overall unreal squad in general no it’s because of David Moyes
Leicester finishing 5th back to back was miraculous looking back at it
So fucking close to the CL in both years, it must've been such a disappointment to lose it at the last second! 😞
@andrasszabo1570 and being 3rd/2nd For most off the season
Depressing watch as an Everton fan take me back to those late 2000’s early 2010’s years😢
Yeah I would've classified you as part of the big 6 because a lot of them time you was battling for europa league often when you were managed by Moyes and Roberto Martinez
Back to the good old days when it had only been 15 years since they won a trophy instead of nearly 30 today.
So basically what we have gathered is that the new big six is Villa, Newcastle, Blackburn, Leeds, Leicester and Everton are the new big 6, whilst Southampton was the 7 team that was always in the league but never really close of winning, (such as the current Everton)
I remember the first premier league season, especially being a villa fan. UTV!
Thoroughly enjoyed the video Alfie.
This video is the example of what would have happened if the super league happened.
Yeah in some ways it would be nice if they just buggered off and let the Prem become the old Division 1. May as well send all the prem teams away as most of them aren't even big clubs these days (who the f supports Luton, Palace, Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton)
@@jackbrownio3 Palace and Brighton have a sizeable fanbase.
Agreed as a seagull, I can still acknowledge that palace are actually also a big club with a lot of fans and no one shuts up about selhurts park@@hakc97again
@@jackbrownio3 I know that was hardly meant to be a serious comment haha, but, to be fair, the last Division 1 season did have some big clubs in it, like you know, literally Luton Town and Crystal Palace, Notts County, Oldham, Wimbledon, and in the previous few seasons, clubs like Millwall and Oxford United. I mean, Brentford are probably smaller than all of those clubs, and maybe Bournemouth, but we (Brentford), couldn't really fill our old 11000 seat stadium, so I don't know what'll happen when we get relegated again, now in a 17000 seater stadium.
And a collapse of the pyramid below yeah, great
Forgot to mention Leeds's greatest achievement in 2000 was Erling Haaland being born there that year
A year later, Erling's dad would be mimed by a drunk Irishman in red.
@@DavidLimofLimReport he wot
@DavidLimofLimReport he's a football 2008 fan he will have no idea what your on about because football didn't exist before then
@@jayhall6793 yes, English football didnt really exist for foreigners before around 2005 tbh
How about Scottish league winners without Celtic or Rangers that would be an interesting one perhaps Hearts vs Hibernian would become the new old firm
Going back to season 1985/86 with 1984/85 being the last time someone outside of Celtic / Rangers won there would have been 8 different winners. Aberdeen would have been champions 12 times, Hearts 11 times, Motherwell 6 times, Hibs & Dundee Utd 3 times and finally Kilmarnock, St Johnstone & Livingston all winning 1 title each.
Spanish league winners without Real Madrid, Barca and Atletico; German league winners without Bayern and Dortmund; French league winners without PSG; Portuguese league winners without Benfica, Porto and Sporting Lisbon
Day 21 of asking a "What Went Right for Stade Brestois?" Video
This is currently, by far, the best season in club history, one which could result in their first ever qualification for Europe in over 70 years of existence. There's a fascinating story to tell, from going bankrupt and slowly climbing back, to various great names that played there such as Ribéry, Makélélé or José Luis Brown, to the story of the Brest president going up against the Colombian drug cartel. Plus, you can have a lot of Brest related puns.
Would love to see that concept for other leagues, such as Spain
Didn't Lens do the same last season?
@@akunwanneprosper7016 I would argue that this is more impressive in Brest's case as Lens are former French champions, have had impressive European runs in the past and has a bigger budget than Brest who has the 15th budget in France
Is Alfie a Liege or a Brest man?
@@dazwold or Arse(nal)?
I will happily admit that I am a Brest Man.
As a Blackburn Rovers fan I can safely say I would be more than happy if this was the universe we lived in
Best German players in the premier league of all time. (Day 609)
I will not give up until the video is made or Alfie himself tells me to stop. Everyone else telling me that will be ignored.
If you don't believe my number, just go back to the previous videos. I'm at the bottom most of the time, but I'm there.
Hell yeah great idea
I rate the dedication ngl
I don't care about the subject of the video but I feel you have earned it. Go on Alfie!
You are back with it lol
We are krauts, do not expect that XD
As a Spurs fan I think we don't deserve to be called "big six"- We would have had one title......
*Alternative Video Idea:*
Premier League winners if each previous winner was removed
The year is 2099, and Spurs have finished 2nd yet again.
If you did that, then the 2022/23 winner would have been Brentford as the only PL winner that hadn't won it before and this year's winner would be Luton as the only PL team left that hadn't won it before. The favourites for 2024/25 would be Hull, Norwich or Preston.
@@DM_Andy probably Southampton actually
@@yatman6305 If the PL winners couldn't win again then Southampton would have won it in 13/14, Leeds in 99/00, Ipswich in 00/01, Leicester not until 15/16, West Brom in 11/12.
@@DM_Andy it's a little confusing really, when you word it like: " if the teams that would have won the league but didn't already did..."
Can't believe there was no 'Further Adu'joke in the video... devastated
Solid video idea Alf, always thinking outside the box. Keep up the good work.
I'd like to ask if you could incorporate more players'nicknames? I think it's a shame the English side of the game doesn't partake in it as much, as say the Latin side.
I'm sure as you go, you'll find more obscure ones, but for now I'll give ya 5, and whoever you mention in the video.
Di María - El Fideo (The noodle, because he's skinny)
Enzo - La Perla (The pearl)
Ivan Zamorano - Bam Bam (He liked the Flintstones as a kid)
Gary Medal - Pitbull (Yeah)
Cade Cowell - El vaquero (The cowboy, this one is interesting because it's so recent, but he's really taken to it since he's moved and he's become a fan favorite. )
I remember seeing the statistics for the 20/21 season after the Super League episode, if you took out all the big 6's results, West Ham would actually have more points than Leicester.
I was wondering if this way of doing it would look different, glad to see it confirmed already
This is one of my favorite ever vids of yours Alfie. Love it. Thanks
Newcastle's Robson era was some of the greatest campaign The Magpies have done, especially with the likes of Given, Bellamy, Shearer, Lua-lua and Ameobi.
You’re forgetting solano and Robert who are so underrated
The rate that these high quality videos get pumped outs at is insane
CHAMPIONS 2014/15 🥲❤️🤍❤️🤍
Chelsea in 2014/15!
@@connorarendse1202 have you seen the video??
@@dev0nSA1nt missed sunderland!
@@connorarendse1202 what??
frrrrrrrr
Premier league, la liga and bundesliga have missed the teams you know over the years!
I guess I’m going to have to be that guy, but to be really true to the mission of this video, you’d have to deduct every point that teams got from the Big 6 clubs instead of just looking at the real world table. But I appreciate that it probably would’ve been way too much work.
Interesting video! I didn't fully appreciate that the one year I was living in East London was that exact season where we won the "non-big 6" table - I was mad we dropped under Man United during their banter era.
That’s cuz Man Utd at their worst are still a better club and team than Wet Spam, lol
As a fellow Englishmen who despises the Premier League and all that comes with it, I love this video.
In the last five years the "most unpredictable league" has been won four times by the same club.
Love the Villa on FIFA reference. Those years were what made me a Villa fan (as a yank) and I’ve been along for the ride ever since.
@HITC, rate the top 10 series. But the What on earth is going on at... and the deep dives into Countries are top tier lad.
Love from New Zealand. Keep it up!!! It's always red panty night when you drop
As a Spurs fan, I dont recognise that we are treated the same way as Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City.
We have gradually built our way into a position where we can more or less safely assume a top 8 finish every year, but we never start the season with a real prospect of winning the league.
We got to a UCL final off the back of signing one player in three windows
Everton spent 200m a season on dross, and we’re the rich bad guys
It seems Spurs are on a place all of their own, just below the top 5 but above everyone else. Good idea for a video though... "are Spurs really part of the big 6"? _Sit back, relax and join me on a journey to North London..._ 😄
God that Big Sam Bolton team was good. Reason I'm a Bolton fan to this day. Its... its been rough.
Thank you for recognising Beckford. Quality Striker. Loved him at Leeds. MOT
how, as a spurs fan, have you managed to rob me of even more titles by choosing the big 6 instead of just former winners
Yeah - I was dwelling on this - Apparently we are a big club!!
In all seriousness - before The FA Cup lost its lustre and it was all about winning the league or Premier League - Spurs were regarded as a big club because of the FA Cup. It’s been 33 yrs since we won my favourite trophy. But some won’t care because it’s not the Premier League or UCL. Crazy in that everyone bangs on about the trophies but if we won The Europa Conference it won’t be good enough for a team like Spurs (according to some media types)
In fairness the last time the top flight of English football was unpredictable season to season was the 70s. Title winners, Arsenal, Derby, Everton, Leeds, Liverpool, Nottingham Forest and even then Liverpool became dominant by the end. But come to think about it, Bob Paisley made the 70s less predictable than 1960s top flight.
Alfie dropping another banger. Any morning I see a new vid I know the day will be good.
In sum. Before the Premier League , it was a big five (Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Everton & Spurs). During the 90s, Everton and Spurs dropped back to mid table, at best. Leeds, Blackburn, Villa and Newcastle competed at the top end on a semi regular basis - before most dropped back by the end of the decade. Chelsea, for the first time since the early 70s, rejoined the elite in the late 90s - cemented further by the Abramovich takeover. For most of the 2000s, it was a big four (Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool). Man City, and following in their slipstream, Spurs, come up at the beginning of the 2010s, to turn it into a big six. Everton, Leicester, Villa and Newcastle have tried occasionally to crack the elite at different points in the last 12 years, but not on a consistent enough basis. And that is where we are now.
chelsea was never a big club even in the early 70s. Before they started cheating in 1995 they had 4 trophies in their 90 year history, spent a third of their history in the lower leagues, had an avg top flight league position of 13th and regularly played in front of crowds of 8,000 people. They are more comparable to a wimbledon or charlton level club.
@@ANewDawn01 Not one to defend Chelsea myself. But between the mid 60s and early 70s, they were mostly in the top five, and finishing as London’s top side regularly. They were having a purple patch in winning trophies, and were regularly in the top six for top flight attendances. Similar to Spurs since 2009 (accept for the trophy bit). Most historians of English football agree, Chelsea were a big club in that period. As for the low attendances. That was in the late 70s and early 80s, where they spent huge chunks in Div2.
It'd be a lot of work but I'd be curious if the results remain the same when you remove the matches against the 'big six'
isn't the Aston villa owner like the richest outside of Man City and Newcastle?
Either him or the Arsenal owner.
Sovereign wealth funds should never have been allowed to own clubs.
2:24 you really have a way with words alfie
Imagine if Alfie also had to cover all pre-PL seasons as well.
I'm going to be a pain, but if you're serious about recalibrating the table without the 'top 6', you should remove the results of the remaining teams against those six in order to work out the real 'winners'. Also, as you say, the notion of the 'big 6' has changed over time, so it's slightly unfair to include Man City (and Chelsea pre-Abaramovic) in the early years, while excluding Blackburn and Newcastle who were among the biggest teams in England at the time.
Another suggestion: Independent Yorkshire XI if all eligible players declared allegiance.
Also independent Cornish XI, see how they'd do against San Marino
Or give them Devon as well so they could have Ollie Watkins: the pride of Newton Abbot
How about La Liga without the big 3 (Real Madrid, Barcelona & Atletico Madrid)?
Lovely video as always for Alfie! Does someone know channels who do similar videos, maybe also for serie A or other league?
Alfie’s Freddy Adu joke gives me so much joy
You Should make a Video Like the What is going At Malaga one you made but About The Turkish Team Bursaspor The Team Who played Man Utd in the Champions League in 2010/11 Ever since then Bursaspor have been Relegated 3 time and are now Bottom of the Third Division in the Turkish league I thought this would be a Good video idea I don’t know
Bursaspor won the Turkish League in 2010 then played Man UTD in the champions league and now In 2024 Last Of the Turkish 3rd division
So basically Leeds, Newcastle and Everton are by far the big 3 in this scenario.
Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City, Tottenham, Everton, Aston Villa, Newcastle…
Of all the videos made to take the pressure off as you research something deeper, this is certainly one of them
If we take Newcastle as an example, people complain under PSR that they cannot spend big. BUT their Stadium can be either upgraded and enlarged, increasing revenue. They can invest heavily in their Academy. They can look at ways to increase revenue. None of that involves PSR.
Just wondering... when compiling this video, did you go purely based on final league positions each year, or did you actually remove each team's results versus the Big Six? In many cases it would have made no difference, but it may have done on some occasions...
I would have done it the way you said, but I got the impression Alfie just went by league position, as he is the sort of person to say if he does something more conveluted. Oddly enough I would have expected Alfie to go the extra mile, because it is something he often does. If I was being cruel I would say I am disappointed in him. But I am not; and this was still entertaining.
Possibly video idea - which cities have the most professional clubs, so London has 7 in the prem, 1 in the champ, 2 in league 1 and 2 in league 2. So that's 12 London clubs in our professional leagues. I know you could also include 5 from the national league and 1 from but those leagues aren't considered professional like the 92
2 in the Champ (Millwall and QPR). Buenos Aires has the most globally with 24
@@jackjude wow, they have 24 professional teams, are they all in Argentine professional league structures?
@@AmazinJ89 from what I can tell 18 are currently in professional leagues. Wiki "Football in Buenos Aires" , the last club in this list play in _Primera D Metropolitana_ which is amateur. Maybe the 24 is a world record for having 24 at some point? I suppose the boundary of what is considered Buenos Aires could also be a factor?
Before watching the video, I specifically remember that the second half of Crystal Palace's season under Tony Pulis, we were really good at beating every other club in the league EXCEPT the big six (in fact we were top of the table if you excluded the top 8's results). I wonder how high up we would be with just the top 6 removed.
And then the first (full) season under Roy Hodgson was the complete opposite. We upset the Big Six repeatedly and lost to the teams at the bottom of the table.
EDIT: Oh, you literally just checked the table to see who was closest to the top. That's boring. I was hoping for some actual data analysis.
Hey Alfie, I have a video idea for you - with Liverpool’s Caribao Cup winning team containing three sons of Premier League players, maybe you could do the 7 best nepo babies (headed by Maldini?) or the 7 worst (and you could add your own perspective on whether Alex Bruce wins this one!)
A "Big Six"? Sounds like a dream for the German football fan, having Bayern München win the Bundesliga for 10 years now, only being somewhat rivaled by Borussia Dortmund.
"It's this degree of chaos and excitement that should happen every season that makes football fun."
To which the Lords of the English Game said "Well, we can't have any of THAT, now can we?"
The old premier league in the 90’s reminds me of how the Brazilian serie A is today - very unpredictable with teams that were promoted one season leading the league that same season like Botafogo and almost even Grêmio
Blackburn were majorly bankrolled. What was the other team, Newcastle? It was pretty rare still. Man Utd and Arsenal dominated
This isn’t title winners without top six, this is the highest finishing team excluding the top six, you would have to take out the results against the big six to get a true result. Come on Alfie I thought you put more effort in to your video than this
This is David Moyes’ world and we’re all just living in it
All these people saying Tottenham shouldn’t be in the big six yet they finish in the top 6 most seasons. They also have brilliant facilities and a lot of money, silly people.
As an Everton fan, I enjoyed 15:35 to 21:45.
Hopefully one day this could sort of become the norm. Prem and other top 5 leagues NEED more competition like this to happen more often
As interesting as this scenario is, it should be remembered that the owners, managers, and players of the missing big six would/could been involved among the other clubs (and national leagues).
Depressing video for Tottenham fans
The English Top Flight has always been interesting starting with Big 5, then Top 4, now it’s Big 6. Soon we shall witness new or evolved players.
One massive pet peeve I have is when casual fans complain when non-big clubs make the cup final, like this weekend's Copa del Rey final, because "no one will watch", when really it shows a healthier league and means players actually care about winning it
Blows my mind why you haven't yet featured my team Ipswich in a video. So much to talk about there.
Babe wake up! Alfie just posted 🔥
Summary for those too lazy to watch the whole video: more than 90% of the teams here are Everton, Aston villa, Blackburn, Leeds, Leicester city and Newcastle
it’s crazy that it costs 8x more to watch them prem on tv in england than it does in the states. peacock is $5 a month and gets you the prem and also top flight rugby
5000-1 baybee! That was such a miraculous year, the right people in the right place at the right time as the top 6 falter.
Including Newcastle in the "Rich 7" is assuming FFP isn't a thing. The owners' hands are tied, it's why we had to sell Saint Maximin, get Hall on a loan to buy, couldn't buy anyone in January, and Dan Ashworth has thrown his toys out the pram.
To finish 4th with a squad including the likes of Jacob Murphy, Miguel Almiron, Sean Longstaff and Dan Burn is crazy. I'd say only Leicester winning the league is a bigger shock in the last 10 years.
I admire Alfie for always taking a moral approach with his videos, and that's partly why he's one of my fave football content creators. But I would be interested to know what he would do if his beloved Hull City got bought out by a state. It's a catch 22 for Newcastle fans, and I'm sure it's the same for Man Utd fans in regards to the possibility of Mason Greenwood returning.
Of course Newcastle are rich. You'd have to be an idiot to think otherwise.
I know a certain individual who supports burnley, and would be very happy with this
This video perfectly explains why i no longer watch football. Its like watching a movie when you already know the ending.
,,the PL is the most unpredictable league in the world”
-lemme stop you right there
#thepeopleschannel a video on the Bangladesh premier league and the rise of Bashundhara kings would be good
A team who went into the top flight after promotion and won the last four league titles now!
Are they the next Newcastle? Are they a team to keep a eye on next few years? Thanks Alfie 😊
@21:19 it's the very nice philadelphia unions stadium. DOOP!
God I miss the days when Spurs were a midtable club. Curse you ENIC and Levy for ruining everything, I hope your own fans chase you out as soon as possible. They could really use their own Todd Boehly.
Found the Arsenal fan
@@carltonlebossGuess again :)
I love your intros
The most unpredictable league in the world, so Sky tell us - where two out of three teams are as good as relegated by November, the title race is between two teams, qualification for European competition has pretty much been decided by February, and literally half of the division spend the last four months of the season playing dead-rubber matches to see who'll finish 10th and who'll slip to 14th. So unpredictable!
Meanwhile in the Championship...
Honestly lads, I don't really understand why we still consider Spurs as part of the "Big Six" if the last official title they won was back in 2008 (16 years ago) and historically had only won 2 league titles. This is clearly about the financial power rather than sporting achievements.
Probably a lot more work, but it would be interesting to see what the results of this would be if every result against Big 6 teams were removed from the final points totals as well
The main take away I took from this is that Moyes is insane
I've always wondered why Everton and Newcastle have had a long-running hatred of each other. This video explains exactly why. They're battling for best of the rest.
if you remove PSG from Ligue 1, France has one of the most diverse amount of title winners. we saw this until 2013, in which PSG began their utter dominance with Zlatan and Cavani
Northampton mentioned 💪💪
would be interesting (but time consuming) to work this out with the points from games vs top 6 teams in it. Basically making a 14 team league table
alfie not cracking that adu pun after saying "without further ado" doesn't feel so right
Yeah we really need that🥲
Ridsdale was like me at the blackjack table in Vegas.
Yeah, and Leeds went bust too.
You can thank Ridsdale for all the FFP stuff now thats his legacy
Off topic but what are people's thoughts on how Luton will do in the Champ next season? (Lets be honest they're going down which is no shame considering budget & the shambles of the 2 'better' promoted teams) personally I think they'll float around mid table with the big players they'll lose & I don't think many players 'too you'd for the level will trust they can go back up
Not over 'til it's over... the so-called experts said they'd be down before the Christmas decorations but they're the best performing promoted team. There's also the small matter of a possible (deserved) points deduction for Nottingham Forest. The fat lady hasn't even warmed up yet, let alone started singing.
Unless I am mistaken, there's a methodology error: if you want to figure out who would win the league without the big 6, you'd need to discount all points taken against said big 6, to eliminate any crappy patch of form from one of them. Not sure it'd make a huge difference, but that could actually be interesting
I wonder how much the table would change (and if it would change at all) if we would also remove the points of the matches the big 6 were involved in
2015-16 season was technically a season without the Big Six. Because:
-Chelsea was a big chaos as Mourinho lost the dressing room and they finished at the bottom half of the table at the end of January
-Liverpool had a terrible start under Brandon Rodgers, so they've decided to get Klopp and focussed on the following season
-Manchester United was just like the current Man U, which is terrible
- Manuel Pellegrini announced he will be replaced by Guardiola as Manchester City manager next season, and their form naturally declined in the second half of the season. (He admits revealing this is the main reason they cut off from the title race)
Only Spurs and Arsenal left to challenge Leicester for title, but since they are both Bottlers. The ultimate scenario "A Premier League season without the Big Six" happened and Leicester won the league.
So, I think if this season scenario happened a year before or after, Southampton or Everton might've won the title. Or at least get a top 4 finnish.
At the beginning of April 1993, during the first PL season, Norwich were actually sitting top of the league.
Cheers mate
What if ... Champions of premier league without bosman ruling !!!
AND how should Alfie determine a criteria or method by which to predict it as accurately as possible?
£40 a month!?! I'm just a dirty colonial and we have many of our own problems, but were our locations reversed I find it hard to believe Sky Studio's wouldn't be on fire.
How can you say other than Leicester that Burnley was the biggest achievement when Ipswich came up and finished higher in the league?? All you talked about was Leeds for 3 straight seasons
Tbf I’d say this is not a unique problem of the Premier League, like if you look at La Liga, the top 4 every year is just always Barca + Real + Atletico + one more team, the Portuguese league top 3 is always Benfica + Porto + Sporting Lisbon, not to mention the German and French leagues with one team winning almost every single year…