Should I sell my 147 GTA? What's More Important, Engine or Fantastic Chassis?
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- What's the most important part of a car? is it the engine or the chassis? The Alfa Romeo 147 GTA has one of the best V6 engines of all time, while the Peugeot 306 GTi 6 has one of the best chassis but with a hum drum four cylinder engine. Which makes for the best car?
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You can't compare a future classic and collectable to an every day car. It just doesn't have the same attraction Alfa every time
These late 90’s early 00’s Peugeot’s al have always captured me. The 106 s16 was one of my favorite cars in Grand Turismo, this 306 looks like loads of fun without fearing for your license every time you take it out. And then there is the 406 coupé, one of the most beautiful cars Peugeot has ever made. The late 90’s really were Peugeot’s heydays if you ask me.
Clio 172/182 is my fav. I’m mid 40’s & I’ve had dozens of faster cars (still own 2 Imprezas) but I love my clio to drive. A better (& lowered) seat and an OMP/momo steering wheel (I prefer suede) and they’re amazing little cars. I literally look forward to driving mine every time. It’s just so eager and fun.
Keep alfa man...drive it once per week and watch prices going north..
I've owned both of these and your assessment is spot on. The chassis on the little Pug really makes every journey special, the intuitive way it drives and the excellent steering feedback for a FWD hatch is exceptional and won't be seen again I fear. You can thank skinny tyres, supple suspension and decent spring / damping for that. (All of which BMW seem to have forgotten about and Audi never knew....)
Yep.. Audi defiantly never had it!! BMW not famed for steering feel either
I think you'll miss the sound of that Busso Jack. 😍
I often get goosebumps when I hear mine on full chat... I never quite get that feeling from acing a corner! But it is whatever floats your boat... we all love different things with our cars! 👍🏻
Yep good points Rob!! Take care buddy!
The 306 was actually designed by Pininfarina and it has stood the test of time! Lovely car :-D
Yes I think it’s a great design too!!
Lots of pugs of that era were. The best been the 406 coupe
Jack, a man with a Ferrari and a Lotus trying to convince us that he would go for the less 'flashy' car ... 🤣
The Alfa is totally mad, therefore keep the Alfa!
I own a Lotus and I would normally always say the chassis over the engine- but the Alfa engine is soo sublime!
I can see the attraction of the Pug, but I would keep the Alfa, it is such a special car.
Thanks Rhett... Alfa is more special !
The 306 does NOT have a torsion beam. Let's repeat that again. THE 306 DOES NOT HAVE A TORSION BEAM. It has independent torsion bars, similar to those used on F1 cars nowadays.
Trailing arms with torsion bar springs and an anti-roll bar, mounted on a bushes that gave some rear-end steering.
I keep expecting Harry Metcalfe to come roaring into your rear view mirror during the test drives!!
Haha, yep, that road seems to be only decent road in the south of England to test cars on !
Everyone I know who has sold a 147 GTA has regretted it! 😉🍀🇮🇹
There's a cliche that the 2 happiest days in an Alfa ownership are the day you buy it and the day you sell it.
It was def the case for me.
@@th3b0untyhunter also applies to Landrovers, Lotus and yachts 😉
Everyone who had a Busso tho
I had a 166 2.5 and 3.2, 2 years and so had passed and I still think about what cars they are and what an engine, god. I regret that I sold them
That's a mint 306. I owned one for 16 years, virtually from new, but it was getting very tired and harder to maintain, so I replaced with a Leon FR. But the Pug remains dear in my memory. It was such a great driver's car, an absolute go-kart with fantastic handling and steering feedback (old-school hydraulic, not electric remoteness). Watched this video with misty-eyed nostalgia.
I think you have made your mind up already 👍👍
It's the engine Jack - The busso is just too heavy for the front wheel drive chassis of the 147, it's well known by Alfa lovers in Europe
Listening to you there’s only one choice. The Peugeot.
I’d rather have a car with better handling and less power. You can have more fun in the twisties
The pug does not handle better, the alfa has multi link suspension, this v6 has been spoilt by fitting polybushes, they just dont work on alfas full stop.
I had all the french cars and alfas, both handle great but a well sorted alfa leaves the french car way behind.
@@salvofarnia8046 and a well sorted peugeot leaves the italian car behind
I've always loved the GTI6 , I think they have aged well! I'd go for the pug Jack they are great cars and easy to work on ..... also cheap parts bud 👍
Peugeot is worthless Alfa is a classic I bet there is thousands of Peugeot's around how many of them Alfa's do you see classic, Peugeot mass production scrap
@@bluerineimb1148 Peugeot GTi’s made before 2003 are pretty rare these days.
@@BibaBananas it's still just a small Peugeot if I was going to have another one I'd be looking for a 505 gti
@@bluerineimb1148 I don’t think it’s “just” a small Peugeot. In it’s time it was a really fast hot hatch and was one of the best handling cars you could buy, even though it is a FWD car. It was up there for the benchmark for c-segment hot hatches (just like the 106 in the a-segment). Comparing it to a car that not only is several years newer with almost 100hp more, but also cost almost double the price from the factory is pretty unfair.
@@BibaBananas you have a good point there. I had a mi16 just dident rate it but yeah that's a good point you made
Both great cars ,went round mira in gti6 when they were new at Peugeot club day flat out ,always fancied owning both ,you've great taste in motors m8
Love the channel and i’ve mentioned the GTi6 to you in the past, I’m very biased about the 306 because not only was it my first performance car when i was 22 but i now own a 1999 Astor Gray GTi6 which i’ve been fixing over the past year and i absolutely love them.
Thanks for the support Steve! Have a great weekend fella!
I was faced with almost the same decision but from a GTV V6. Couldn't decide so I just had both 😊. Having said that, it's pretty much always the keys to the GTi6 I'm drawn towards for a fun drive. Get that engine revved out and use the close ratio gearbox to keep it in the power band, and it's plenty quick enough.
That suspension setup is the Alfa’s Achilles heel, had the same coilovers on mine, fantastic on track, terrible everywhere else.
Put the alfa engine into the peugeot!!!! JOB DONE ......STAY SAFE 🔧🔧🔧🔧👍👍👍👍
doesnt work. It would be very bad. If you need better , take 2 litre Alfa, it nails that Peugeot anytime
@@coltr7561 exactly.
I'm afraid the Alfa is a one-trick pony for me. The 306 is a well-rounded driver's car and a lot of fun.
A damn good trick too.
The only trick that matters, if you've driven a well set up Busso powered car you'd understand.
@@Negativvv Clearly not by your own comment.
You must be joking a borring Peugeot better then a V6 Alfa that Alfa engine is has close has you will get to a Ferrari engine I've had two Alfa's with that engine the was a 75 it wauld do 105 in 3rd & go on to 150 & the sound In high rev was wonderful
@@bluerineimb1148 Thank you for again proving the validity of my comment :)
Any vehicle becomes fun when the quality of the handling reaches it's limitations at about the same time as the engine. Thats why low powered vehicles can be just as much fun as high power ones.
Jack keep the Alfa 🙂👍
Just discovered your channel and I have to say that I love this video. As a French Peugeot Fan I would definitely take the 306, I had the chance to test one and, wow, the chassis is incredible. Perfect for curvy roads!
Cheers from France !
Great to have a new viewer and from France too!! Merci mon ami!
Chassis, chassis and then the chassis Jack 👍👍 Great video as ever.
Thanks Matthew!
French cars make the most of basic suspension set up, very very good but the when the limit comesnit comes with a snap.
The Alfws multi link is complex but you get enough warning at the limit, thats the differance.
Unless its spoilt with plastic polybushes.
After watching this video I have come to the conclusion that the Alfa V6 has to be one of the sweetest sounding engines ever made.
I will admit I love a sweet handling car & my current plaything is all about handling but the sound of that V6 in the Alfa is addictive.
Yes fun handling can made you smile in the right places where that engine sound can make you smile anytime and anywhere.
If it wasn't for the Alfa V6 sound it wouldn't even be a question that needed asking.
The Alfa with that engine is far more than its sum of parts and punches well above its weight.
Totally agree Paul!! Thanks for watching and your comments
Great video Jack, fair comparison. It'll be hard to part with your Alfa... possibly a 306 with an Alfa engine swap?
Always a great video, thank you. That 306 looks in great condition. The Alfa sounds amazing, not sure I could live with her though. Keep well #27
Thank you buddy, and to you too!!
For handling you now have the Elise. Keep the Alfa for that engine, style and passion. Another great video, thanks Jack.
Funnily enough was just thinking if I sell the Alfa I could daily the Elise for while..
@@Number27 You're a brave man if you do that. I've got an S2 Exige and, as wonderful as it is (and it really is), it's not a daily driver. Make great video content though!! ;-)
I had a 306 Gti6 brand new in 1997 R366WOO. It’s handling and ability in the real world made it quicker than lots of cars that were faster in a straight line. The Alfa I always thought was unusual for them in that it had little finesse but relied on the engine to get it down the road. The 306 is a car I’d own again ,a superb handling car in all respects.
Agree.. very good car that one! Thanks for watching Garry!
Given a choice, an Alfa or Peugeot, to my mind there is no question. Who drives a car, have some fun, park up, walk away from that car, and look back fondly to admire its looks. Passion over logic moves me every time.
I know what you mean about the Alfa suspension. I put 7 sumps in a 156 about 20 years ago. It just bottomed out all the time. A sump guard was fitted, but it wore that out too! But a 306? Noooooooooooooo! Bland bland bland!
Got to love Peugeot's lift off oversteer 🤪👍🏻
I had two new 306's (D-Turbo's, one early and one later HDi) and for cars I didn't own they were great. Still managed to get one to only average 23mpg on the M25 / M4 to Bristol. (Pre speed cameras). But the 306 is still fairly ordinary compared to the alfa and the petrol 306 engine needs working hard to get the car moving, so I doubt the mpg will be that dramatically different day to day. I know a change is always tempting but I think the 306 really isn't special enough to keep the interest for too long.
Let’s see how it pans out.. but thanks for your thoughts buddy!!
Driven gti6 when brand new used to work as a valeter at a Peugeot dealership in 1997
Friendly advice.. Just don't sell the Alfa!!! You will thank me later Jack😎
Absolutely identical to my old GTi-6! Diablo Red, T916 KRH. Spectacular car that, I loved it.
The chassis on your Alfa has been ‘improved’ with boy-racer aftermarket suspension, which is causing you all the grief you constantly moan about-and with good reason I suspect! I have a feeling that fitting slightly softer springs, a compromise between the stock rating and the ones you have now, will transform that car. If the suspension worked as it should, it would be no contest, true? That’s an experiment worth undertaking for its own sake, plus it would serve as great fodder for a video or three….
Same thought.....👍🏻
No sure, what do you mean on doesn't work on bumps. But the 156/147 had one of the best FWD suspension (front: double wishbone, rear: McPherson) setup. Still very good today's standards. Try the 147 with a smaller, lighter engine. With 1.6 petrol is unbelievably agile, responsive. The heavy V6 ruins the balance.
It looks that you made a decission :). If the cost is an issue and you need the car as daily (or-semi daily) Pug is a good choice. Otherwise better wait for some different insiration and keep Alfa for a while. BTW I have healthy Alfa GT 3.2V6 stock+Q2. GT's suspension is better than GTA's (stock vs. stock) but still you need to avoid bumpy roads with it. What Greek folks are squizeeng from GTs is amazing. This is 1st yt channel I ever subscribed - stay on the track Man!
So good to hear this was you first sub, thank you and enjoy your Alfa!!
As an ex Gti-6 owner, I feel you'll really regret selling the Alfa quite quickly but that's just my opinion.
Interesting.. so you weren’t happy with your Peugeot?
@@Number27 I'm not criticising the Pug, it does handle well and the engine is well balanced with the chassis but it just didn't suit what I like in a car. I may have an unusual approach to cars but I like flaws and quirks and a chassis that you have to do battle with...I just find it more appealing. Couple that with the experience of great sounds and great looks then that makes the Alfa a winner for me. No car is without it's frustrations though.
@@Number27 If you do go for the 306 though, I can't stress enough the importance of ensuring the cambelt has been recently replaced and the engine isn't tapping.
Used to have a GTI-6 in that same colour about 17 years ago! Great car and miss it - lift off oversteer on greasy roundabouts!
Here's my opinion Jack... back in 1988 I had an 88 Corvette Convertible and every Mustang 5.0 wanted to Race me! In a straight line the 5.0 LX was very light and very fast but... if there was a curve in the road, you were off the road. The Vette had Speed and Phenomenal handling! So I say it depends on the Types of Roads you prefer to Drive on. If you like curvy roads then handling is more important. If you like long, leisurely drives on the Autobahn... Power all day long. Stay Safe and Healthy my friend and all the rest will sort itself out!
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I fancied a 306 GTi6 about 7 or 8 years ago and could not find a nice one for love nor money. Even ropey ones were thin on the ground so if you find one like this one in your film I wouldn't hang around.
Yep lots of crappy ones around for sure! Thanks for watching
There both great cars, I would be much happy with either of the two actually.
Now thares a blast from the past 😍 peugot 306 💓 i had one back in the day a 306 d turbo i loved it great car 👍
Drove an older 306 for a year or so as a loaned 'runabout' after owning a 2.5i V6 car (with great engine sounds !) and was so frustrated and contemptuous of the Peugeot at first ... However, after a while, it impressed me from a practical driving perspective and it was just a 'no-nonsense' car to use. There was no 'flashiness', but it just got the job done without any particular foibles ... except, of course, sitting so low on long drives ... (but I even got used to that). Sitting so low increases the perception of speed, so that would enhance the 'fun' of driving, even if not the actual time of arrival !
I had grown up with friends always bragging about Alfa's, but the little Peugeot earned respect.
(Mind you, my perception is very coloured by the fact that I didn't have to pay the Garage Bills !!! 😂 )
Ooooh, it's a long time since I bid farewell to my 306 fleet, your video describes quite why I fell in love. We started with a sensible-ish diesel, the DTurbo (which was a hoot when the turbo spooled up mid-rev range), then went for a Roadster (aka cabriolet with factory hardtop for the winter) with that 2.0 petrol engine, albeit not so tuned up, and then a black Rallye (aka GTI6 with wind up windows, no aircon or sunroof). That last car was just lovely, if a tad sweaty in the summer
Would love a rally!!
@@Number27 After watching the video, I did take a peek on Ebay and there's an unmolested red one for sale....£5k, but there aren't any more out there!
Jacks content is always brillaint to watch, I would always go for the handling, I have owned a lot of "sporty" Peugeots, from 106 xsi, 106 GTI, 406 Coupe, 205 GTI, 306 Cabriolet, only Alfa I had was a Sprint Veloce, Peugeot is my choice, especially as you can use the available handling more than the power on UK A & B roads, Renault 19 16v Chamade anyone? Your a star Jack, love your content
Thanks Andrew, enjoy the last bit of the weekend buddy!!
I went from a Renault 19 16v to a 306 GTi-6, the 19 was another car with an excellent chassis, the engine wasn't very torquey though (119lbft peak) so you had to work it hard.
Remember going to the Peugeot dealer and test driving a GTi-6 in 97, I was sold after the first minute of driving it, shame that I only had her for 2.5hrs before an uninsured/disqualified driver ran a red light and squashed the front end... they rebuilt it of course, cost about 9k to do so, was never the same after that though, so I part ex'd for a phase 2 9 months later. P616MRJ was my first one, R150YVM the 2nd, that one is still going strong 😁
You (and several others) are going to wear that road out! :)
I had a nearly new ‘metallic purple 2.0 litre ‘97 XSI and it was a mega driver, it felt like your hands were plugged into the front tyres.
It was fast enough for me, unfortunately there were lots of niggling problems but non associated with the mechanicals.
I think the 306 Rallye was perhaps the one to have, no AC or electric windows etc
The stereo was awesome as well.
Chassis every time for me. I had a 306 Dturbo, this was slightly lowered and handled like a Go kart. In the dry was awsome, in the wet quite a handful, lift off oversteer on a plate.
I've driven a 156 2.5V6 and the 3.0gtv and both were less fun to drive, but the sound and interior was lovely.
A stage2 PUG1OFF 306 GTi would be a really nice balance between chassis and power!!
Handlings key. The Pug it would be for me especially if it releases a few quid for you
How about a GTV V6? My old twinspark was probably the best handling car I've owned so far but lacking a bit power wise so could be a good compromise and means you still get the lovely busso :-)
Have yo agree, had 2 of them and they put the 147 to shame, they feel so much more planted and the engine note is slightly more raw
Recently drove a 147GTA and have to agree. Preferred my 916 GTV 3.0v6. Im sure a timing belt change is less than £1,000 these days.
A car with a Busso V6 will always sound special and look special under the bonnet. It will always feel special but it is a lot of power through the front wheels. The cost of that belt service too and the problems are only going to keep coming with age.
That pug makes a compelling package and is starting to slowly gain the modern classic status it deserves and I think the fun Vs stress of ownership ratio would have you reaching for the keys.
Also that stretch of road looks very much like a road used by another established TH-camr that I watch.
Yes share on the Busso, such a great engine!! Thanks for watching Mark!
Have to say - if I was considering a 306 , then the convertible is drop dead gorgeous
It all depends on the purpose. If it 's a daily driver I would go for engine over chassis, for a weekendtoy the other way round.
a very fair and objective comparison...definate heart and mind debate
Thanks chap!! Enjoy the coming weekend!
chassis - every time. Especially on UK roads
156 GTA also nice Jack!!
Chassis all day long. Always loved the 306 GTI6 and Rallye.
306 all the way here too mate, had a 205 n was driving the company's 306 diesel n that also handled like a dream for an everyday cheap runner, why I always loved the Elan way above the E type or to be honest anything else, the fun of driving is a great handling car round twisting country lanes not fast on a strait road
I'd always say chassis because usually once up to speed that's the bit doing the fun stuff. I used to have a 306 and it was fantastic. The MK1 Focus is in a totally different league though...would recommend a blat in an NA Zetec, rather than an RS.
Did you bump in to Harry Metcalfe driving down that road?
Not yet!
@@Number27 I thought that road was familiar, Jack! Keep the Alfa. You’ve then got a well-balanced collection: Alfa for that wonderful engine, the 308 for the style and the Elise for the chassis. I’d leave the Pug.
Got one, also an S16, they are wonderful cars. Precise and fun.
Had an S16 in blue, only got rid due to having no room for it :( had 72k on the clock (be around 8ish years back now), becoming a rare car, wish I had kept her :(
@@tonyb1223 Yeah had one of them years ago. Loved the blue they used for it too. Current one is the flat red, but it's getting a respray to Soul Red later in the year ;)
I used to have a gti 6. The gears are so well calculated. If you replace the air filter enclosure with a pod, it will give you that extra top end response that it needs, with a slight loss at the bottom. It's a fantastic car. Hey, nothing is stopping you from putting a supercharger on it. Also, some nice semi slick tyres...and it's a brilliant driving machine.
Thanks Ivan.. interesting ideas!!
Handling ... because you can have more fun in the twisty bits ... then acceleration in a straight line.
Common on admit it , you want the gti6.
I have a mint red 306 rallye, the lightened version of the gti6, try that and you’ll want one !
I kind of do want one.. but not sure if I want it enough!! They are great cars! Rally also but too much money!
Jack , maybe you should consider the Citroen Xsara VTS if you can find one (owned one in days gone by for about 2 years before the engine gave up!) mine was the non goggled eyed version and I've got to say I loved that car.....cried when I crushed it in the scrappy! Has the same engine as the 306 about 170 brake but I preferred the handling on the Xsara. When considering them I drove both and felt that the Xsara felt better built and more planted in the handling.....food for thought.
Others have mentioned this too Ian!! Must try one sometime
This was a good, thoughtful video. Sadly, neither car available here in the States; I’m wondering if I might sell my Mazda MX-5 ND2 and find a nice, 3-door VW GTI (only the ugly 5-door is sold here now). Anyway, how refreshing to see you use your talents for the forces of good rather than evil. (I think the less said about the Influenzo, the better.)
Ha!! Thanks Richard!! The InfluEnzo will be back soon!
Cheers Jack, tough choice. 306 with the 190 odd hp from a pug1off engine tickle and money left over for track days for me. Don't recommend watching the 'Camber and Combustion' videos, a very bad influence. :)
Suspension set up is both a science and an art. Peugeot had some of the best development engineers in that department at that time. Why would anyone think that they can improve on the ride & handling compromise from the original just by adding some bolt-ons. Sure the Alfa wouldn't have been one of the best but at least it would have been integrated. It would be interesting to see Fredo up against a standard version. You can have that idea on me Jack.
I once faced a choice like this, except the difference in chassis behavior was not so stark. In the end, I could not abide the 4cyl engine. I'm glad I went through that decision process, because it revealed my true priorities. The engine is the heart of the car, and is my first consideration. Doesn't mean the rest of the car is unimportant, but it has to be mighty good to overcome an uninspiring engine.
Interesting point, thanks Michael!
The Alfa looks and sounds great. Which of the two would you most want to develop on the channel? Maybe you need a car that has both a great engine and sweet handling! 😊
I'm guessing your uni mate is Chris Harris?
Good guess
You need to get him on the show!
I hope it is Chris Harris and not the self styled encyclopedia Hub Gut.
Spot on analysis of the GTA. Loved the engine in mine, as I loved the way it looked (mine was pearl white with turbine wheels). It also had Q2 Diff, a strut brace to stiffen the front end, koni dampers and an exhaust note to die for. Yet, I sold it after 12 months because I could not get over how the engine simply overpowered the noodle like chassis that could not cope with 260bhp running through the front wheels. I actually preferred to drive an earlier 155 twin spark which also had front wheel drive chassis, but which was so much better sorted.
Interesting to hear! Thanks Corran
@@Number27 Thanks, by the way, is this the same road as the one Harry Metcalfe uses for his reviews?
I've not driven a GTA, but I know why! For me the 306 Rallye (poor spec GTi-6) was my favourite handling fwd car of the '90's, better than 205 GTi & Corrado.. Find a Rallye, rarer and less elctrics to go wrong!
Jack, maybe not sell your Alfa but probably give it a wash though!!!!, I'd have the Alfa allday long over the Pug, great review. 👍👍🇬🇧
Wash video coming soon!! It’s sooooo dirty
The pug doen't look special enough on the inside or the outside. Even it might be the better car to drive. The Alfa wins, with great look, great interior, great performance and great noise, only lacking in suspension. Maybe an aftermarket tuning company can transform her to make it a great drivers car. Try AutoLusso 147 suspension kit for 900 pounds.
The suspension is actually pretty God on the cars. At least on 156 if it is in shape (I run eibach pro kit and & HR 30mm drop with decent shocks) as both cars share the same suspension I'd be surprised if the 147 is worse. Maybe the chassis is softer . there are pretty good braces for those cars.. I don't know the brand, but mine where white and realy sturdy... It used 4 point to stiffen the front subframe. Rear was even more extreme if I recall correctly... Wou will notice those A LOT
If something is wrong with the suspension look at the rear trailing arms.... If those are f... Things get ah.... Less nice.... And if some dude decides to handfist some polystuff in there... You would mess up the suspension flex... And things will be.... Ahh.... Not nice...
If in shape 156 and 147 handle well (driven 1.9 & 2,4 jtdm as well as a 2.5v6) maybe a tad front heavy...and a little soft without chassis brace...
Alfa all the way! I had a 2 litre 147 and thought the handling was fantastic when the suspension was fresh. Not sure if the heavy V6 affects it hugely or not
I agree with you.
You're correct, mine leaves people stunned how fast it just out turns them, in my experience cars that people rave about for handling always get left hanging by my little Alfa.
I've had the pleasure of owning both of these. Both very different as you point out. The steering on that Alfa is just way too quick and really exposes the chassis but dam it sounds good
I like the quickness.. it’s just the chassis can’t quite cope
@@Number27 same! It was just the effect on the chasis I didn't like
I have a Phase 2 306, and have owned it from new, almost 24 years ago. It's only a lightly tuned turbo diesel model, but you'd love the handling. It has H&R coilovers, a lowered back axle with Bilsteins, Vibra Technics engine mounts and a full polybush suspension kit. Very vibey until over 2,000 RPM but that doesn't bother me. You could really have some great fun if you did the same mods and also had someone like Lynx Engineering do a full Carillo engine job on your car, together with a centrifugal supercharger. That'd give you 400 BHP and make the Alfa seem as though it's going backwards.
Sounds like a really fun car Michael!! Thanks for watching buddy!
The 306 is one of the most wonderfully handling and driving hatches of all time - what is tragic is that Peugeot just didn't bother following it up properly, took their eye completely of the ball during the noughties and have left a complete generation of people not knowing of how capable these cars are - and have had to play catch up ever since. You should get your hands on a Gti-6 with the Lynx Supercharging conversion and give it a try.
Right. In a big hot hatch test of EVO it left all the others behind.
Yep, really odd how they just dropped hot hatches for years! And what they did have was dreadful like the 206 GTI!
I Agree with you comment . I'm now a old bloke and I still remember how good the 306 was . Time moves forward but that 306 in it time was sweet
I even have this test: EVO June 2000
1. 306GTI
2. 106GTI
3. Saxo VTS
4. Clio 172
5. Fiesta
6. Seat Leon
Another couple of points worth noting - the 306 came out right at the beginning of the 90s, so it's an old design! Also the Gti-6 put out 167bhp, which was beaten a lot by the later gen of hot hatches but everything else that came after used variable valve timing (toyota, Honda etc) or was turbocharged.
170bhp from 2 litres is actually quite a high specific output for a road car with fixed valve timing, any more and the low down driveabilty would really suffer.
Jack. Before you make a final decision, allow me to suggest a possible option 3.....
Get yourself behind the wheel of a Honda..... actually; three.....
Civic; Integra; Accord.
The reliability is, generally, a real cut above most. Excellent VTEC engines; superb gearboxes!
Give them a try mate. You might end up thanking me later.
Good luck with whatever option you go for 👊👍👍
Yes mate. Have heard they are all
Really good!
I had a gti6 last year the only thing I felt it had going for it was the handling, also if you get a gti6 with a sunroof there is no head room at all!, ive now got a mk3 golf vr6 nice quality, quick, super smooth engine, the one down side handling... I guess you'll always struggle to find an issue free car of this erea.
Totally agree Chris!! All cars have downsides!!
I loved my old 306 gti-6 I was brave and had it in the gold colour
Mine is the gold
You'll never get tired of the Alfa engine, the Peugeot chassis wont make EVERY drive as good/better as the Alfa.
Would take handling over engine note any day.
Alfa does sound amazing though, lol
@@philthewriter why you need to drive pumpy roads, find better roads, its much easier than driving shit roads.
@@coltr7561 easier said than done in a daily!
The pug engine is still a nice thing though.
I'd like to think i inspired this video by my comments on your 106 Rallye insta posts. (I know I didn't). I've owned 20+ cars and the Gti-6 is the most fantastic vehicle I've ever owned. It's absolutely lovely 😍 only 2 issues ; axel tramp, which made the dash seem like it was falling off. And the worst turning circle in history, thanks to that 6th gear. Amazing memories ❤
Ha yes.. the turning circle ⭕️!!’ 🤣
With the dawn of all electric vehicles upon us I really do think that in 10 years time these two cars will be massively sought after and their values will explode. Keep both if you can but if I had to choose one it would be the Alfa. The Peugeot, as great a car as it is, is the more sensible choice but who wants sensible!?
As an ex serial gti owner I don’t really miss my Gti6. Good car and the fastest of the bunch by some distance, but the pug I really miss is my 3 door 309gti.
At the end of the day it’s whatever car puts a smile on your face and makes your heart sing every time you turn the key ..... if the Alfa doesn’t do that it’s time for a change.
Ummm... Maybe I should look at other options too!
I've never driven the Alfa but have tried a couple of Pugs. They were great fun. The chassis is the thing for me but I like a big heavy saloon too. You've tried the Alfa so why not have a go at the Peugeot? If you're anything like me, you'll want something else in a few months anyway. My wife gets a car she likes and keeps it for years, I like to play with all sorts of different things. Have fun.
Yes I also like variety!!! Have a great weekend!!
Im curious what would you choose new giullietta or your gta?
Jack, contact Autodelta, enlarge the engine to 3.7 and let them finance half of it because your channel is getting really popular.
You won’t recognize your car anymore, your then in another league. I have the KW coil overs and the car behaves really well. Keep up your awesome work.
Thanks buddy.. I have the Eibach Pro Street which are basically Rebranded KW V1s... interesting to hear that you like yours!
Maybe you should let review Chris Harris both cars so that I can understand the difference more clearly! Greetings from Belgium! I also have a 2000 306 1.4i 8V and it's a lot of fun! But a GTi 6 will be my next daily so you should get one too!
Surely you’re not saying Chris Harris is a better car reviewer than me? That would be outrageous 😂. Good luck and hope you get your gti 6 soon!
@@Number27 Hi Number 27! You are both as good and best as you both are. But Chris could help you out a little bit more if he would like to! Greetings again and have the most fun possible with everything that you are currently driving! :D
owned a Citroen Zx 2dr 2.0 16v in the mid 90s a sister car with the 306, probably one of the best handling car of its time..
Many other have mentioned the ZX! Must try one. Thanks for watching!
These are both true enthusiasts cars. Had 2 306 XSis, great steering. Always wanted a GTA but went with RS Megane for better economy, and it has monster grip.
Actually and xsi is an option too...
the french are very good with suspension set up