I love the scene where Pa Kent told Clark he maybe should’ve let children die. People defend it by saying “it’s a difficult question and he doesn’t know the answer” which is ridiculous because this is such an extreme situation that the answer is obvious. If it were someone getting robbed like the scene in Spider-Man 2, but instead it was whether or not to let a bus full of children drown.
Honestly it would have been better if Pa Kent answered young Clark in that film about letting those people in the bus like, “You got me right there!” That would have shown Pa Kent’s empathy towards Clark in that situation without giving a straight answer. Instead he gave a “maybe” like this guy shames his own son for saving those lives.
My biggest issue with the snyder superman is the opportunity cost, for it to exist, there has to be no other big screen, big budget version of superman fully backed dy warner bros because they sunk so much money and marketing trying to ape the mcu that they don't want to compete with themselves and 'confuse' regular movie fan. Meanwhile on the animated side there have been half a dozen stand alone dc animated movie depticting superman, all of them displaying superior interpretation of the character because none of them take cue from the snyderverse over the comics
DC would rather spam Batman over and over again than even give Superman his own series. Hell, Harley Quinn (a Batman side character) gets more attention than Wonder Woman. DC underutilizes its heroes. Marvel is kind of same-y but I will admit that at least they don't JUST focus on one hero. And this iscoming from a guy who loved DC comics much more than Marvel comics.
But he didn’t play a Boy Scout. He didn’t seem concerned with innocent bystanders getting hurt. And didn’t go out of his way to make sure everyone was ok. But I do like cavil he’s awesome
@@ItsTheDon27 that's the director's and writers fault. I wish we got a talented team with a semblance of what superman should be. Cavill would've killed it and deserved one good movie
@@ItsTheDon27 all of those things you listed have nothing to do with cavill and everything to do with the people who wrote the script and directed the film, he was just playing the part he was given
@@TheYetixOUTx cavil is such a badass just wish they would’ve made him out to be a true Superman. He’d do a great job. You can see the caring Superman in some scenes
You know what makes framing Superman by shooting people even stupider? Given Lex’s wealth, and he owns/runs a company that’s at the cutting edge of tech (and in many continuities is a military contractor iirc), it would be easy to justify killing those people with a laser gun which actually would be a better way of framing Superman because the wounds could be passed off as being inflicted by Superman’s heat vision. Got to agree that Clancy Brown is one of the best Lexes. The DCAU was so good for voice acting, you can’t beat Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill for Batman and Joker, or C C H Pounder for Amanda Waller either.
DC animation has always had the best voice acting. There was a Superman animated movie with Matt Bomer as superman, and initially I was skeptical, but he knocked it out of the park. They need the people who produce those films to smack the SHIT out of whoever is running the DC live action film division.
Tim Daly and George Newbern were also both excellent as Superman. I mean goodness, we can go on and on about how spot on the casting for the DCAU as a whole was
I am so down for an hour of everyone tearing into the Synderverse. I remember Man of Steel being my first experience going to a movie theatre and leaving angry.
Your experience with MoS was mine with Batman v Superman. Fucking hate that film with a dying passion not only cause of how bad it was, but because I dead ass paid $30 bucks to see that shit film(paid for my boyfriend and his 13 year old brother, the latter of which slept during the latter half of the film).
@@CarnageRulez469 All the weird Snyder Bro acting like the movie is some cerebral masterpiece we just "don't get" has made me hate that movie even more.
Huge fan of this channel. Thank you. I reached the highest of anger at the "Snyder verse" and it's depraved depiction of well loved heroes. The words "A generation lost a Superman" is heart breaking because of how true it is.
Another top tier Lex Luthor moment is in the same episode of the animated Justice League. When he goes to the bathroom, as Flash, to figure out his identity, looks in the mirror a says: “I have no idea, who this guy is”
Maybe the actual casting is down to a typo or misunderstanding? 'brian Cranstons here to play lex luthor' 'no! I want heisenberg to play lex luthor' 'you want eisenberg to play lex?!' 'yes!'
I could actually see that as a possibility because some people when they realize the made a mistake (such as actor is Cranston and Heisenberg is character) they will refuse to admit it and even double down. However, in this case quadrupled down or even more.
I’ll say this right now, I’m super happy that, even though you’re having to start a second channel for financial reasons, you’re still on-brand shitting on the Snyder-verse. Thank you for fighting the good fight 🤘🏻
I remember reading somewhere that the backlash for Lex was so bad, they had to backtrack and retcon Jessie Eisenberg’s character to be Alexander Luther Jr. i.e Lex’s son. Not like that matters, because the chance of us getting a new Superman movie in this universe that actually uses Lex as a villain is slim to none.
No to be fair Eisenberg’s motivation was shown. He was abused by his dad and that caused a belief in his head that no god that could ever exist can be good as god never stepped in to save him as a kid, with him equating Superman to a god. Issue is he then goes on to create Doomsday who to quote Doug Walker “that’s like 5 Superman’s with a fist for a brain”
I think the greatest reflection of how genuinely up their own ass Snyder fans are is the fact that if you have literally *any* criticisms with anything he has done, the immediate instinct from them is that they think you're a "WB shill" Like, the only movie of his I objectively dislike as a whole is BvS, yet anytime I've so much as proposed the idea that Man of Steel or ZSJL isn't perfect, that asshair end of Twitter tries to crucify me lmao
Or they throw the “you just don’t get it, not enough jokes and silly things for you huh? you’re too dumb to understand the symbolism” to which I quote a guy I met in the comments section once “the issue isn’t that he won’t get it, the issue is we get it and it’s dumb”
Snyder fanboys are... extra special. Their reaction to The Batman being well loved and successful instead of the movie being Batfleck or Snyderverse connected was kind of hilarious. The BvS and JL versions of these characters aren't good at all even when the Snyder Cut came out. I like Diana and Arthur when NOT under a Snyder directed movie, but Snyder doesn't understand Batman or Superman at all. He should have done what Alan Moore did when he couldn't use the Charlston characters for Watchmen and create his own heroverse but instead we get drab, sad sack heroes who kill the villains.
Zack Snyder is just so detached, it might have actually been a good idea to kill Jimmy Olsen, but he should have at least developed him enough through one or two movies so that it is an actual fucking loss. Also, what a waste of Henry Cavill in the role. He does a good job in the 7 seconds where Snyder's "vision" isn't ruining everything
Honestly, I think Snyder's films can be best described as "man makes comic book movie;becomes early meme because of how badly directed it was, still ends up being taken seriously."
Clancy Brown Lex is amazing, but I love the fact that the animated Harley Quinn show essentially gives that same character a darker tan and gives the role to Giancarlo Esposito and he fucking owns it. I’m also surprised you brought up the JLU mind swap without mentioning the other best scene from that episode: the Flash’s secret identity.
One good thing about the Snyder verse sucking so bad is that it pushed DC to get good directors with a vision to make movies that they wanted to make. The Suicide Squad and The Batman both are great examples of one of the things that DC has over MARVEL in cinema. They have distinct and good movies that are great to watch. Excited for more DC stuff now that they aren’t trying to do MARVEL’s shit but worse.
Honestly i feel like Snyder Superman's personality makes more sense for Supergirl. It would make sense to be a depressed, angry, wandering loner when the planet you actually lived on for 15-20 years blew up and all the people you knew and loved for the first chapter of your life die.
I don’t understand why so many people want him back, as a comic reader, everything was adapted so wrong :( The only change I liked was probably Aquaman. Also I didn’t mind the slight changes in backstory like the Flash living in basically a garage. As long as the basic part of each character is still there. But the adaption of Superman and Batman were unforgivable.
@@Cookberg same here, even though the movies he was in weren’t that great he wasn’t the problem and personally I think it would make wb look better if they kept the actors that want to stay and improved what they have rather than just scrap it and start again.
The bad thing is that there are some great ideas in Aquaman and cyborg but so many of the changes that were made were pointless things to make the characters seem more “cool” that miss the mark of the initial character
It's kind of what Carl said about wading pool depth being seen as deep. The utter lack of interest in a lore accurate Superman, the obsessive one might even call it, the fetishization of Batman, all appeals to people who missed the actual story and lessons of the comics and only seemed to read/enjoy them to see pictures of people punching things.
Literally the best received DCEU movies are the ones that Zack Snyder had literally nothing to do with. Why the hell so many people think that his departure will ruin the franchise when literally everything points to it being far better off without him is beyond me.
A lot of people think that Superman is too much of a good guy or that superhero movies are too hopeful compared to the real world. So they like it when it gets "dark and gritty" 🙄
Alan Moore did a version of this in 'Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow', in which the big blue boyscout's best friend from Smallville, Pete Ross, gets murdered and delivered to the Daily Planet in a (What's in the) box.
On a interview Micheal Shannon said that Zack told him he wanted to make these movies like he “just found these comics under our bed, did know anything about them, and then just did our own version of that”. Bruh he really just flat out said “what if I didn’t understand the comics and just did my own thing” lol
Love how the argument snyderfans use comic accuracy to defend Batman, but then you bring up how snyder treated Jimmy Olsen suddenly its "well no one cared for Jimmy anyway"
I think the problem is Warner Bros. should have had Snyder do injustice, it seems he would have been fine (not great, but fine), instead of regular superman. In fact, it almost seems like that's what Snyder actually wants to do.
Fully agree. I walked out of man of steel stunned that they got superman so wrong. Then it kept getting worse! Thank God for Wonder-woman being good, or this attempt would have been unsalvageable.
Some parts of that film I look at and genuinely think that it can't possibly be serious. There's literally a scene after the huge fight where a woman says "He saved us..." and it immediately cuts to a scene of Superman in the foreground of the city just completely levelled. Did he save shit
The sheer number of quality comic writers they could have consulted for this. Mark Waid, Gail Simone, Neil Gaiman and they went with David S. Goyer, who has crapped the bed so many times...
No. Superman is the hope bringer. The fact that they had such a washed out color pallet for so hopeful a character is the beginning of how little they understood him. Also, my generation absolutely had great superman media. Justice league, the animated series, even Smallville. All of those were head and shoulders above what Zack Snyder did. Zack Snyder and David Goyer made a maudlin movie instead of a joyous one. It was a mistake.
@@doc8013 lol. We exist. We are outraged more than a decade later, and we eat up anti- Snyder and anti-ung-the-avatar videos faster than they can make them. 😅 It's like a genre unto itself, and it does super well, fueled purely by our outrage. 😅
@@politereminder6284 I misread your comment. I thought you were saying there were sections of fans who defend TLA like the Snyder bois defend him lol. My bad.
Studio: we want Heisenberg to play lex Luthor Zack Schneider: got it Movie comes out Studio: we wanted Heisenberg not Eisenberg Zack Schneider: ooooh ooops
Pa Kent in every good version of Superman: "You were given these powers to do good. Do not use your powers for selfish reasons, because you are meant to be the symbol of peace that pulls people from the darkness" Pa Kent in the Snydervers: "Let children die and don't even bother to save my life to keep your powers a secret, never use them to do any good ever so you can selfishly protect yourself from how people might respond"
It bums me out because what you wrote there for Pa Kent of Snyderverse could be a character who keeps a superhero down from birth. A father who wants his kid to have a normal life telling the kid to never ever use his superpowers because then he'll never live a normal life? That could work. ... NOT FOR PA FUCKING KENT THOUGH
@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz Fuck dude you right, those 90 year old comics don't need reinterpretation after a near century of written stories. Ignore my entire idea. /s I'M SAYING that Pa Kent telling Superman to suppress his powers, never show them, live a normal life is very different from a Pa Kent who tells Superman that he has these powers to be a good force in the world. You understand there's a BIG fuckin' difference there, right?
From Wikipedia: Lex Luthor was originally depicted as a narcissistic and egotistical mad scientist from the 1960s to the early 1980s. In Luthor's earliest appearances, he is shown as a middle-aged man with a full head of red hair. Less than a year later however, an artistic mistake resulted in Luthor being depicted as completely bald in a newspaper strip. That is the Lex Luthor that Zach Snyder tried to put in his Batman movie. The version that was so unmemorable that even the comic book artists couldn't draw him right.
Synder makes a decent fight scene and choreography , but man they sometimes really don’t get the source material and lack subtlety If he was brought on for fight scenes alongside other directors for the artistic and story vision it’d maybe work
@@jamessdavis5201 snyder is a terrible director dude,he is a great guy in real life but he sucks shit at making films ffs he destroyed dc reputation dude wake up
@@austinhaltiner1489 he’s Michael Bay thinking he’s Stanley Kubrick, he thinks he’s making these deep character pieces but in reality he just makes basic and barebones movies that barely scratch the surface of symbolism
I'd love to hear you guys idea of a reboot for a Superman movie. Because I agree that the Snyderverse movies were dogshit. Personally I'd love to see a movie in which Superman is just a genuine hero and in which Luthor is more of an accidental villain. My personal favorite idea us one that I think was done in an episode of one of the animated series in which Luthor can recognize that Superman is a hero doing good for the world but also recognizes that if Superman were to ever not be such a boy scout he could destroy them all and there's nothing any of them could do about it. So Luthor starts a projects to design some kind of creature that could potentially kill Superman not with the intention of actually using it, but for just in case. And the thing breaks loose and starts rampaging and Superman is actually getting his ass kicked and Luthor realizes that he can just let it happen and be rid of Superman but that then the monster will just rampage uncontrollably. So he actually just speaks to Superman, who he knows can hear him, and tells him how to stop it. Afterwards Superman goes to Lex and tells him that since he helped and because no one was hurt he's just going to let it go, but Luthor says that despite the fact that he knows Superman really is a hero he still can't trust him and he can't let it go. It just does such a good job of showing their conflicting ideologies without having to make either of them into some kind of brutal savage.
Good gods Snyder never should have had his hands on any of these characters. At least Warner seems to have learned their lesson and are hiring directors who know the characters now.
The only thing that I liked about the Snyder-verse was his version of Justice League, probably because the theatrical release was so bad, and I can also see Man of Steel being not great but ok if they changed like 2 things, but Snyder just was not meant to adapt the DC Universe.
Regarding George of the Jungle universe being so far beyond reality that it is obvious to everyone: True Story... upon leaving the George of the Jungle movie, my 5 year old Son saw a tree and ran straight into it. A few days later we were visiting a friend who happened to have a rope swing in his yard. My Son dashed over, grabbed the rope and swung directly into the tree.
I felt they missed a trick with that scene. Like, when the guy shoots Jimmy they could have then cut to Jimmy looking confused and wondering why he's not dead and then suddenly there's Superman standing in front of him, having just flown in super fast and caught the bullet and then melt the man's gun with his heat vision. It doesn't need a one-liner or a heroic musical cue, just show Superman saving the day
The skull pit does represent hope (/s). In Snyder's JL we see that once Superman regains his humanity and hope he finally smiles and chooses a new suit, the Black one, which he was wearing while in the skull pit dream. So to Superman being dragged into a skull pit is what he thinks of when he regains hope. Seriously Snyder can't even do visual symbolism properly once you start thinking about it for five seconds.
I rewatched Man of Steel last night on a whim. At least at the start the Snyder version had hope. Sure, it wasn't perfect, but when it did well it really did well, and the lower quality bits were very bad. It was a good starting point to show him developing into the hero we know and expect, and Jimmy could have been a great way to do that without even changing too much of the context. He and Lois go into the worst of situations, see the worst of things, because people deserve to know. Like the fishing ship crew that go out of their way to help each other and the oil rig in Man of Steel, the reporter and the photographer could represent some of the best of humanity going forward. Sure, it could still be grim and dark with the content they're covering and the fact it'll always be there, but then there would still be hope that at least something is being done about it. Hell, you could even make a recursive cycle out of it, Clark is inspired by those two, who then take comfort and inspiration from the fact there's someone looking out for them and strive to do better again. But no, let's kill one and have the other kind of just exist for a few films.
Another thing I just can’t wrap my head around is the fact that snider thought it was ok for Superman in his fight with Zod to legit destroy the entire city. Like in any animated series or other movie while there is some destruction it is never as bad as he showed it to be and most of the time it is kept to like a couple blocks and even then not everything is wrecked unlike with what snider did
You can’t wrap your head around the actual destruction that two massively superpowered beings would cause if they had a full-out fight? The whole purpose is to portray the death and destruction that is unintended while in pursuit of heroism, further setting up the mixed feelings about Superman and heroes, in general.
@@kman9884 no. it's the fact it occurred in the 1st movie. Now what can you do cinematically besides blowing up a city? SOME destruction, cool. THAT level of chaos...u build UP to that and have the audience wonder what could possibly happen next time. That said....notice how in Justice League the biggest threat was to an abandoned city? "Now we can do big big damages!"
@@DickDiamond74 What does it matter? Everything resets by the next movie. Change location, change implications, change consequences. It displays the power and capability for destruction that both the hero and villain have. It gives Batman motivation to be suspicious of Superman and wanting to take action against him as a threat to mankind, after he has failed in this task before by not taking the Joker as seriously. When JL rolls around it’s not even about physical destruction, it’s about the complete domination and assimilation of the species- a far greater and horrific threat than some buildings being leveled. Really it just seems like people are mad that a superhero movie isn’t candy-coated puffery like the MCU where there’s no legitimate consequences to anything happening.
@@kap1618 Yeah just destroy 1 or 2 buildings so it seems like Zod wasn’t actually that big of a deal and completely neuter the choice that Superman has to kill him in order to stop this wonton destruction
I have seen so many people say they can't relate to how Superman's whole hope and optimism thing usually translates so Snyder's interpretation is the best. And I just don't get it.
I much prefer the Superman who makes the deliberate choice to be a hero, despite not owing anyone anything by being superpowered, then suffering the consequences of it in a realistic way by either becoming a massive threat or a messianic figure. Even in Snyder’s interpretation he still stands for hope and justice, but it’s on his terms, not because of some obligation to do good simply because he can (which isn’t actually a sign of being morally good).
When man of steel came out I didn't like superman so It made me not like him more. And then I went back and watch justice league and unlimited, as an adult I had started to love superman after I had forgotten about man of steel and I ended up watching it again. That second time hurt to watch, Henry Cavill had the potential to be the perfect on screen superman.
@@devinsteele2424 biggest thing is Superman's isnt supposed to be superman hell If were actually gonna Get superman after his arc it like the superman and Lois lane where he actually already in the job
@@kman9884 Doing good simply because you can isn't actually a sign of being morally good? I don't think you understand morality. Doing good is good, doing nothing when you could do something is bad. That's how this all works. Costner's Pa Kent is a moral coward who puts his fears for his alien son above conscience and compassion. Superman was created by two Jews who'd witnessed the Holocaust and wanted a real 'uber menschen' that would protect and defend the weak and the helpless instead of slaughter them. Snyder pissed on that legacy and that dream and laughed about it. There is no excuse or defense for him.
@@nothingherezero7182 I enjoy all three interpretations of spider-man because they all have a lot of aspects of peter parker. This superman didn't have the aspect of being the most human superhero even though he is an alien. That he is a kind of person that you could just be the best of friends with without even trying
I bloody can't stand Snyder's approach to DC characters, hell anything really, as to me his movies come across as being overly dark and pretentious to the extreme. 'Pretentious' being the watchword here. Also to me he doesn't seem to appreciate what a film editors job is, because by god nothing in life is worth sitting through the length of his full cut of Justice league! LOL
Also he always needs to put a shitty color filter in all his movies for some fucking reason, like in Man of Steel the blue filter which stays on for the entire film for some reason.
Just look at Sucker Punch. It’s a fantasy sequence within a dream sequence recapping the story of this girl in a mental hospital only for the final seconds to reveal it’s not from the girl’s perspective but some other random girl’s perspective and tries to be a commentary on the male gaze whilst having it’s leads work in a brothel then do sexy kung-fu fights in sexy schoolgirl outfits and sexy WW2 uniforms. Snyder has no idea what the hell he’s doing and makes what should be a simple story into an overly long slog of pain and misery and then tries to be symbolic and deep whilst bringing nerd wet dreams to life, these things do not match Zack
I fell asleep during all the action scenes in that film 💤😴. How ? I have no idea. They were just long and boring and too much alowmo and all the theme songs repeating. 🙄😴💤
For anyone interested in what Zombie is about. It about a several decade long conflict in Northern Ireland (the British bit) usually referred to “the troubles”. There’s a lot going on with it so I recommend looking into it.
When they announced Batman v Superman by having Harry Lennix (I think, it's been a while) read Batman's last words to Superman from "The Dark Knight Returns," I knew that it was going to be a rough ride for Superman fans. Was it ever...
man, heard Shillfest and feared you were activating your exit strategy that you've talked about. glad to hear that instead you're making another channel instead.
While I personally enjoy the SnyderVerse, I definitely agree that Bryan Cranston would've been an excellent choice to play a more traditional version of Luthor.
As someone who has only recently started reading Superman comics, hearing that Jimmy Olsen was disrespected this hard even in the extended edition when they only gave him one scene introducing himself bothers me so much. Just remember, if its shocking, that means its automatically good, like when they killed off John Connor in the beginning of the latest Terminator film. Everybody loved that RIGHT?!?!
What they fail to mention is that the 'Jimmy Olsen' that gets killed off in BvS is a CIA agent codenamed 'Talon' so 'Jimmy Olsen' is probably not his real name and that he could be just using the real James Olsen's credentials as cover.
@@jamessdavis5201 Doesn't matter. Fact of the matter is is that Jimmy Olsen is an important character to the history and legacy of Superman. Killing him off like that shows how much they don't care about Superman's legacy. It'd be like if in the Daredevil Netflix show, they killed off Foggy Nelson in the 1st episode.
@@paulmoore5392 it’s like if they did a Shazam reboot and had Freddie be a kid in a gang who gets gunned down in the first five minuets and you only see his name on a tiny bit of text on a newspaper obituary
Remember when Snyder accidentally quoted Manchaster Black's "You live in a Dream world. "? You know THE ONE VILLAIN which parodied 90s - 00s edgy anti heroes and from the story which showed reasons of why Superman is Superman, and whose believe that Superman would kill if he lost Lois Lane was proven wrong? Wow.
How dare you! How dare you talk shit about my perfect, handsome, absolute oscar worthy director, Dad Snyder.!! I am so angry! I will go to Twitter and cancel you all. He is "perfect". A man with"out" flaws. I "clearly" enjoyed all the zach movies. And bvs is my "favorite".
I generally take my superhero movies with a grain of salt because I lived through the time where Electra was about as good as we would get. That being stated I have some, shall we say, difficult points in the snyderverse where I go "really?". I still watch, it's just I kinda prefer the animated dc movies and the live action marvel. For the Man of Steel 2013 movie the one thing I just...couldn't ignore was the terraforming plot. Why didn't Zod just terraform Venus or Mars instead of Earth? Like literally they were going to munch all of Earth, kill us all, and make Krypton2electricboogaloo. Atmosphere and biosphere didn't matter. They could have done Venus or Mars then. Like literally, why? They showed planets that weren't alive being used, without atmospheres. Why Earth? What benefit? Why fight? Why? It makes literally no sense other than "EEEEDDDGGGEEEE!!!"
I guess because Zod wanted to punish Jor-El by destroying the home he had brought his son to and therefore making Clark suffer, but Zod’s whole “the foundation must be built on something” line makes it seem more like Zod just thinks skeletons are a good structure to build on top of like the swamp castle king from Holy Grail
I’m still blown away by the fact that WB or whoever thought it was a good move to build their cinematic universe (to compete with Marvel) off of a 50 year old Dark Knight Returns cynical Batman. I didn’t hate the Extended version of BVS as much as the theatrical one. Also thought the Snyder cut was pretty cool. But these Snyder movies should have been some Elseworld’s story at MOST.
I've never seen man of steel and, no offence to that kid, seeing a clip of superman sinking into a ballpit of skulls is the funniest shit I've ever seen.
What personally bothers me most about snyder's superman is how he completely ignored superman's jewish roots in favour of making him a yet another hollywood jesus metaphor
Personally I think Henry Cavill is a good Superman but Zack gave him a horrible script to make him dark and shit. Cavill could really pull off a good lighthearted Superman if the script allowed him to do so. And another more modern Superman I absolutely love and think is a great casting is Cw Superman. Superman and Lois is legit such a good show despite being a cw show. Tom is a legit super good Superman and you get the very Boy Scout, kind and lighthearted Superman but also the very protective father Superman which is a cool dynamic. I haven’t watched season 2 yet though so no spoilers.
The 'Jimmy Olsen' that gets killed off in Batman vs Superman is a CIA operative so I doubt he is using his real name (unless he went to the James Bond school of secret identities). Also a newspaper prop in Shazam! said that a photograph of Superman taken after his revival by the Mother Box in Justice League was taken by Jimmy Olsen so I was under the impression that the CIA Agent 'Talon' used his identity.
"When I made the film originally, it was part of a five-part trilogy."
Zack Snyder, mathematical genius.
I presume he meant five movies in total three being part of a trilogy so Man of Steel, Batman vs Superman, then three Justice League movies.
@@thomaswedge42 you give him far too much credit.
@@thomaswedge42 you give him to much rebel moon
I love the scene where Pa Kent told Clark he maybe should’ve let children die. People defend it by saying “it’s a difficult question and he doesn’t know the answer” which is ridiculous because this is such an extreme situation that the answer is obvious.
If it were someone getting robbed like the scene in Spider-Man 2, but instead it was whether or not to let a bus full of children drown.
@@The_Knight_Rider1980 why?
Honestly it would have been better if Pa Kent answered young Clark in that film about letting those people in the bus like, “You got me right there!” That would have shown Pa Kent’s empathy towards Clark in that situation without giving a straight answer. Instead he gave a “maybe” like this guy shames his own son for saving those lives.
My biggest issue with the snyder superman is the opportunity cost, for it to exist, there has to be no other big screen, big budget version of superman fully backed dy warner bros because they sunk so much money and marketing trying to ape the mcu that they don't want to compete with themselves and 'confuse' regular movie fan.
Meanwhile on the animated side there have been half a dozen stand alone dc animated movie depticting superman, all of them displaying superior interpretation of the character because none of them take cue from the snyderverse over the comics
They might give Superman the The Batman treatment and give an out of canon movie
how to make a great superman movie ask yourself what would zack snyder do and do the exact fucking opposite
DC would rather spam Batman over and over again than even give Superman his own series. Hell, Harley Quinn (a Batman side character) gets more attention than Wonder Woman. DC underutilizes its heroes. Marvel is kind of same-y but I will admit that at least they don't JUST focus on one hero. And this iscoming from a guy who loved DC comics much more than Marvel comics.
Cavil is such a nice guy he'd ate up being the boy scout version.
But he didn’t play a Boy Scout. He didn’t seem concerned with innocent bystanders getting hurt. And didn’t go out of his way to make sure everyone was ok. But I do like cavil he’s awesome
@@ItsTheDon27 that's the director's and writers fault. I wish we got a talented team with a semblance of what superman should be. Cavill would've killed it and deserved one good movie
@@ItsTheDon27 all of those things you listed have nothing to do with cavill and everything to do with the people who wrote the script and directed the film, he was just playing the part he was given
@@TheYetixOUTx cavil is such a badass just wish they would’ve made him out to be a true Superman. He’d do a great job. You can see the caring Superman in some scenes
@@ItsTheDon27 I cant believe there actually a scene with him going to a church confused because he thinks humanity isnt worth saving.
I’d take Superman reversing time in the 1978 film over Snyder’s Superman any day of the week.
Dear god yes! lol
Abso-freakin'-lutely.
@@stewmott3763 Likewise!
You know what makes framing Superman by shooting people even stupider? Given Lex’s wealth, and he owns/runs a company that’s at the cutting edge of tech (and in many continuities is a military contractor iirc), it would be easy to justify killing those people with a laser gun which actually would be a better way of framing Superman because the wounds could be passed off as being inflicted by Superman’s heat vision.
Got to agree that Clancy Brown is one of the best Lexes. The DCAU was so good for voice acting, you can’t beat Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill for Batman and Joker, or C C H Pounder for Amanda Waller either.
Absolutely they are the best, you can’t top them ever
DC animation has always had the best voice acting. There was a Superman animated movie with Matt Bomer as superman, and initially I was skeptical, but he knocked it out of the park. They need the people who produce those films to smack the SHIT out of whoever is running the DC live action film division.
Tim Daly and George Newbern were also both excellent as Superman. I mean goodness, we can go on and on about how spot on the casting for the DCAU as a whole was
I am so down for an hour of everyone tearing into the Synderverse. I remember Man of Steel being my first experience going to a movie theatre and leaving angry.
@@robinthrush9672 I will look it up thanks
Your experience with MoS was mine with Batman v Superman. Fucking hate that film with a dying passion not only cause of how bad it was, but because I dead ass paid $30 bucks to see that shit film(paid for my boyfriend and his 13 year old brother, the latter of which slept during the latter half of the film).
@@CarnageRulez469 All the weird Snyder Bro acting like the movie is some cerebral masterpiece we just "don't get" has made me hate that movie even more.
Huge fan of this channel. Thank you. I reached the highest of anger at the "Snyder verse" and it's depraved depiction of well loved heroes. The words "A generation lost a Superman" is heart breaking because of how true it is.
Another top tier Lex Luthor moment is in the same episode of the animated Justice League. When he goes to the bathroom, as Flash, to figure out his identity, looks in the mirror a says: “I have no idea, who this guy is”
Maybe the actual casting is down to a typo or misunderstanding?
'brian Cranstons here to play lex luthor'
'no! I want heisenberg to play lex luthor'
'you want eisenberg to play lex?!'
'yes!'
I could actually see that as a possibility because some people when they realize the made a mistake (such as actor is Cranston and Heisenberg is character) they will refuse to admit it and even double down. However, in this case quadrupled down or even more.
I’ll say this right now, I’m super happy that, even though you’re having to start a second channel for financial reasons, you’re still on-brand shitting on the Snyder-verse. Thank you for fighting the good fight 🤘🏻
Snyder is a pretty meh/bad director, I seriously don't understand how he convinced so many people he is like this god that can fix the DCCU
Amen! I hate his take on Superman. Henry Cavill I have to admit is awesome. I just like to see him in a better Superman film.
Ditto!
I think it’s the fact he can make a decent fight scene, but that’s about it
@@KillerMeme Yea, that warehouse fight scene was good but the rest of the Batman movie sucked. I meant the BvS movie.
I think it comes down to DC live action movies sucking even more than his version for years, so in comparison his DCEU looks good
The Zach Snyder DC movies seem like they'd be popular with people who think you need to be super intelligent to enjoy Rick & Morty.
I remember reading somewhere that the backlash for Lex was so bad, they had to backtrack and retcon Jessie Eisenberg’s character to be Alexander Luther Jr. i.e Lex’s son.
Not like that matters, because the chance of us getting a new Superman movie in this universe that actually uses Lex as a villain is slim to none.
Here the thing lex luthor actually comic accurate or at least one of the comics Birthright
They did the same thing for doomsday
@@nothingherezero7182 Don't tell Mark Waid that, he'll let you know how disastrously wrong that is
Jesse Eisenberg: "So what's my motivation?"
Zack Snyder ripping away the script: "We don't use those! Those are the weapons of our enemies!"
No to be fair Eisenberg’s motivation was shown. He was abused by his dad and that caused a belief in his head that no god that could ever exist can be good as god never stepped in to save him as a kid, with him equating Superman to a god. Issue is he then goes on to create Doomsday who to quote Doug Walker “that’s like 5 Superman’s with a fist for a brain”
@@mrcritical6751 I was referring to the bit about him asking Snyder his motivation for being Jimmy Olsen.
I think the greatest reflection of how genuinely up their own ass Snyder fans are is the fact that if you have literally *any* criticisms with anything he has done, the immediate instinct from them is that they think you're a "WB shill"
Like, the only movie of his I objectively dislike as a whole is BvS, yet anytime I've so much as proposed the idea that Man of Steel or ZSJL isn't perfect, that asshair end of Twitter tries to crucify me lmao
I've been called a "Marvel cuck" by snydheads.
Or they throw the “you just don’t get it, not enough jokes and silly things for you huh? you’re too dumb to understand the symbolism” to which I quote a guy I met in the comments section once “the issue isn’t that he won’t get it, the issue is we get it and it’s dumb”
Snyder fanboys are... extra special. Their reaction to The Batman being well loved and successful instead of the movie being Batfleck or Snyderverse connected was kind of hilarious. The BvS and JL versions of these characters aren't good at all even when the Snyder Cut came out. I like Diana and Arthur when NOT under a Snyder directed movie, but Snyder doesn't understand Batman or Superman at all. He should have done what Alan Moore did when he couldn't use the Charlston characters for Watchmen and create his own heroverse but instead we get drab, sad sack heroes who kill the villains.
Jesse Eisenberg would’ve been a good mad hatter.
To quote Batman in a Justice League comic. "Lighten up a little, My god your absolutely grim."
Zack Snyder is just so detached, it might have actually been a good idea to kill Jimmy Olsen, but he should have at least developed him enough through one or two movies so that it is an actual fucking loss. Also, what a waste of Henry Cavill in the role. He does a good job in the 7 seconds where Snyder's "vision" isn't ruining everything
and I’m sure if they ever release the deleted scene they shot with Cavill for Shazam he would also be great in that
Imagine if they did that to Ned in the mcu Spider-Man lmao. Just 3 minutes in, the vulture fucking decapitates Ned
Well to be fair Ned isn’t in the same role in the comics that he is in the movies, he’s Hobgoblin in the comics whilst in the movies he’s Peter’s BFF
@@mrcritical6751 yeah, I was gonna put Gwen but Gwen is known for dying lmao
Honestly, I think Snyder's films can be best described as "man makes comic book movie;becomes early meme because of how badly directed it was, still ends up being taken seriously."
I wish William Shatner had played Pa Kent so we could get the return of the line, *"Let them die!"* 😂
Clancy Brown Lex is amazing, but I love the fact that the animated Harley Quinn show essentially gives that same character a darker tan and gives the role to Giancarlo Esposito and he fucking owns it. I’m also surprised you brought up the JLU mind swap without mentioning the other best scene from that episode: the Flash’s secret identity.
"Well at least I can find out the identity of The Flash" takes off mask (stares confused) "I have no idea who this is"
One good thing about the Snyder verse sucking so bad is that it pushed DC to get good directors with a vision to make movies that they wanted to make. The Suicide Squad and The Batman both are great examples of one of the things that DC has over MARVEL in cinema. They have distinct and good movies that are great to watch. Excited for more DC stuff now that they aren’t trying to do MARVEL’s shit but worse.
After his treatment of Batman and Superman, I'm CONVINCED that Snyder is collecting checks from Lexcorp.
Honestly i feel like Snyder Superman's personality makes more sense for Supergirl. It would make sense to be a depressed, angry, wandering loner when the planet you actually lived on for 15-20 years blew up and all the people you knew and loved for the first chapter of your life die.
I don’t understand why so many people want him back, as a comic reader, everything was adapted so wrong :(
The only change I liked was probably Aquaman. Also I didn’t mind the slight changes in backstory like the Flash living in basically a garage. As long as the basic part of each character is still there.
But the adaption of Superman and Batman were unforgivable.
I want him back only because I like Henry Cavill and I know he loves the character.
It’s outside of Zack Snyder’s bullshit films
@@Cookberg same here, even though the movies he was in weren’t that great he wasn’t the problem and personally I think it would make wb look better if they kept the actors that want to stay and improved what they have rather than just scrap it and start again.
The bad thing is that there are some great ideas in Aquaman and cyborg but so many of the changes that were made were pointless things to make the characters seem more “cool” that miss the mark of the initial character
Aquaman literally just acted and looked like Lobo. Pretty much no part of him was Aquaman at all.
It's kind of what Carl said about wading pool depth being seen as deep. The utter lack of interest in a lore accurate Superman, the obsessive one might even call it, the fetishization of Batman, all appeals to people who missed the actual story and lessons of the comics and only seemed to read/enjoy them to see pictures of people punching things.
Literally the best received DCEU movies are the ones that Zack Snyder had literally nothing to do with. Why the hell so many people think that his departure will ruin the franchise when literally everything points to it being far better off without him is beyond me.
A lot of people think that Superman is too much of a good guy or that superhero movies are too hopeful compared to the real world. So they like it when it gets "dark and gritty" 🙄
Probably because they fear the alternatives will be future writers and directors aping the Joss Whedon style instead.
TSS is the only one that comes to mind and Shazam.
Only snyderbots want him back,dc fans do not
@@barry2349 snyderbots like me are dc fans. Snyder hater bots aren’t DC fans.
Alan Moore did a version of this in 'Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow', in which the big blue boyscout's best friend from Smallville, Pete Ross, gets murdered and delivered to the Daily Planet in a (What's in the) box.
On a interview Micheal Shannon said that Zack told him he wanted to make these movies like he “just found these comics under our bed, did know anything about them, and then just did our own version of that”. Bruh he really just flat out said “what if I didn’t understand the comics and just did my own thing” lol
Honestly I can see Michael Shannon saying that
I remember Henry cavill saying how he wants superman to be hopeful and inspiring
“Nearby everybody!”
I was expecting a Horror movie concept with that opening
Love how the argument snyderfans use comic accuracy to defend Batman, but then you bring up how snyder treated Jimmy Olsen suddenly its "well no one cared for Jimmy anyway"
I think the problem is Warner Bros. should have had Snyder do injustice, it seems he would have been fine (not great, but fine), instead of regular superman. In fact, it almost seems like that's what Snyder actually wants to do.
if he wanted to do injustice so bad he should have kept jimmy living. we were all ROBBED of the ive got some jimmy on my shoe line.
Honestly i don't even trust Snyder on making a decent injustice film. It'd definitely be better than this trainwreck but that's not saying much.
No he shouldnt because then he would have to have pacfist batman and murder superman but synder wants batman and superman to be murders
Fully agree. I walked out of man of steel stunned that they got superman so wrong. Then it kept getting worse! Thank God for Wonder-woman being good, or this attempt would have been unsalvageable.
Some parts of that film I look at and genuinely think that it can't possibly be serious. There's literally a scene after the huge fight where a woman says "He saved us..." and it immediately cuts to a scene of Superman in the foreground of the city just completely levelled. Did he save shit
I saw that movie in theaters twice, not sure why. Guess my favorite part was the Skrillex device in the third act.
The sheer number of quality comic writers they could have consulted for this. Mark Waid, Gail Simone, Neil Gaiman and they went with David S. Goyer, who has crapped the bed so many times...
@@Tannerbot2k Don't forget Goyer publicly said how superman is garbage (paraphrased) several times throughout his career.
No. Superman is the hope bringer. The fact that they had such a washed out color pallet for so hopeful a character is the beginning of how little they understood him.
Also, my generation absolutely had great superman media. Justice league, the animated series, even Smallville. All of those were head and shoulders above what Zack Snyder did.
Zack Snyder and David Goyer made a maudlin movie instead of a joyous one. It was a mistake.
Im glad the whole crew was there to make fun of zach snyder
Oh boy the comments are going to be entertaining, probably more entertaining than the Snyderverse
Kids of today do have a Superman! Cw's Superman and Lois. It's a great show.
Nothing gives me more joy then hearing people discuss how shit Zack Snyder is at story telling.
This. And people who rant about the Last Airbender live action Shyamalan film
@@politereminder6284do those people actually exist?
@@doc8013 lol. We exist. We are outraged more than a decade later, and we eat up anti- Snyder and anti-ung-the-avatar videos faster than they can make them. 😅
It's like a genre unto itself, and it does super well, fueled purely by our outrage. 😅
@@politereminder6284 I misread your comment. I thought you were saying there were sections of fans who defend TLA like the Snyder bois defend him lol. My bad.
Studio: we want Heisenberg to play lex Luthor
Zack Schneider: got it
Movie comes out
Studio: we wanted Heisenberg not Eisenberg
Zack Schneider: ooooh ooops
Pa Kent in every good version of Superman: "You were given these powers to do good. Do not use your powers for selfish reasons, because you are meant to be the symbol of peace that pulls people from the darkness"
Pa Kent in the Snydervers: "Let children die and don't even bother to save my life to keep your powers a secret, never use them to do any good ever so you can selfishly protect yourself from how people might respond"
It bums me out because what you wrote there for Pa Kent of Snyderverse could be a character who keeps a superhero down from birth. A father who wants his kid to have a normal life telling the kid to never ever use his superpowers because then he'll never live a normal life? That could work.
... NOT FOR PA FUCKING KENT THOUGH
@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz Fuck dude you right, those 90 year old comics don't need reinterpretation after a near century of written stories. Ignore my entire idea. /s
I'M SAYING that Pa Kent telling Superman to suppress his powers, never show them, live a normal life is very different from a Pa Kent who tells Superman that he has these powers to be a good force in the world. You understand there's a BIG fuckin' difference there, right?
Lol that's what you got from the movie? This is just lazy
@@skybrotha1042 Do better then
Pa Kent in the Snyderverse comes back as a ghost and tells a silence of the lambs story about drowning animals while eating cake. 🤔
It's so nice to have Brad back
From Wikipedia: Lex Luthor was originally depicted as a narcissistic and egotistical mad scientist from the 1960s to the early 1980s. In Luthor's earliest appearances, he is shown as a middle-aged man with a full head of red hair. Less than a year later however, an artistic mistake resulted in Luthor being depicted as completely bald in a newspaper strip.
That is the Lex Luthor that Zach Snyder tried to put in his Batman movie. The version that was so unmemorable that even the comic book artists couldn't draw him right.
Jessie Eisenberg is an interesting lex Luther like how my schizophrenia is interesting.
Synder makes a decent fight scene and choreography , but man they sometimes really don’t get the source material and lack subtlety
If he was brought on for fight scenes alongside other directors for the artistic and story vision it’d maybe work
@@jamessdavis5201 snyder is a terrible director dude,he is a great guy in real life but he sucks shit at making films ffs he destroyed dc reputation dude wake up
@@austinhaltiner1489 he’s Michael Bay thinking he’s Stanley Kubrick, he thinks he’s making these deep character pieces but in reality he just makes basic and barebones movies that barely scratch the surface of symbolism
All hail brad he's returned
I'd love to hear you guys idea of a reboot for a Superman movie. Because I agree that the Snyderverse movies were dogshit. Personally I'd love to see a movie in which Superman is just a genuine hero and in which Luthor is more of an accidental villain. My personal favorite idea us one that I think was done in an episode of one of the animated series in which Luthor can recognize that Superman is a hero doing good for the world but also recognizes that if Superman were to ever not be such a boy scout he could destroy them all and there's nothing any of them could do about it. So Luthor starts a projects to design some kind of creature that could potentially kill Superman not with the intention of actually using it, but for just in case. And the thing breaks loose and starts rampaging and Superman is actually getting his ass kicked and Luthor realizes that he can just let it happen and be rid of Superman but that then the monster will just rampage uncontrollably. So he actually just speaks to Superman, who he knows can hear him, and tells him how to stop it. Afterwards Superman goes to Lex and tells him that since he helped and because no one was hurt he's just going to let it go, but Luthor says that despite the fact that he knows Superman really is a hero he still can't trust him and he can't let it go. It just does such a good job of showing their conflicting ideologies without having to make either of them into some kind of brutal savage.
Good gods Snyder never should have had his hands on any of these characters. At least Warner seems to have learned their lesson and are hiring directors who know the characters now.
Snyderverse Superman became a hero despite the terrible people that he calls his parents
Love your channel. Been watching DC movies since 1rst grade and the Snyderverse made me stay away from them so it doesn't ruin my memories.
Peacemaker is part of the 'sniderverse' and its probably the best part of it
The only thing that I liked about the Snyder-verse was his version of Justice League, probably because the theatrical release was so bad, and I can also see Man of Steel being not great but ok if they changed like 2 things, but Snyder just was not meant to adapt the DC Universe.
True, and I believe Affleck’s Batman is a lot more on brand in ZSJL. Definitely an improvement on his dogshit adaptation in BvS.
Regarding George of the Jungle universe being so far beyond reality that it is obvious to everyone: True Story... upon leaving the George of the Jungle movie, my 5 year old Son saw a tree and ran straight into it. A few days later we were visiting a friend who happened to have a rope swing in his yard. My Son dashed over, grabbed the rope and swung directly into the tree.
That's a kid with _priorities._
I felt they missed a trick with that scene.
Like, when the guy shoots Jimmy they could have then cut to Jimmy looking confused and wondering why he's not dead and then suddenly there's Superman standing in front of him, having just flown in super fast and caught the bullet and then melt the man's gun with his heat vision. It doesn't need a one-liner or a heroic musical cue, just show Superman saving the day
This proves Zack is only great at the visuals, cause his writing of Lex, Clark and Batman are criminally dumb as shit.
The skull pit does represent hope (/s). In Snyder's JL we see that once Superman regains his humanity and hope he finally smiles and chooses a new suit, the Black one, which he was wearing while in the skull pit dream. So to Superman being dragged into a skull pit is what he thinks of when he regains hope. Seriously Snyder can't even do visual symbolism properly once you start thinking about it for five seconds.
I rewatched Man of Steel last night on a whim. At least at the start the Snyder version had hope. Sure, it wasn't perfect, but when it did well it really did well, and the lower quality bits were very bad. It was a good starting point to show him developing into the hero we know and expect, and Jimmy could have been a great way to do that without even changing too much of the context. He and Lois go into the worst of situations, see the worst of things, because people deserve to know. Like the fishing ship crew that go out of their way to help each other and the oil rig in Man of Steel, the reporter and the photographer could represent some of the best of humanity going forward. Sure, it could still be grim and dark with the content they're covering and the fact it'll always be there, but then there would still be hope that at least something is being done about it. Hell, you could even make a recursive cycle out of it, Clark is inspired by those two, who then take comfort and inspiration from the fact there's someone looking out for them and strive to do better again.
But no, let's kill one and have the other kind of just exist for a few films.
Another thing I just can’t wrap my head around is the fact that snider thought it was ok for Superman in his fight with Zod to legit destroy the entire city. Like in any animated series or other movie while there is some destruction it is never as bad as he showed it to be and most of the time it is kept to like a couple blocks and even then not everything is wrecked unlike with what snider did
You can’t wrap your head around the actual destruction that two massively superpowered beings would cause if they had a full-out fight? The whole purpose is to portray the death and destruction that is unintended while in pursuit of heroism, further setting up the mixed feelings about Superman and heroes, in general.
@@kman9884 no. it's the fact it occurred in the 1st movie. Now what can you do cinematically besides blowing up a city? SOME destruction, cool. THAT level of chaos...u build UP to that and have the audience wonder what could possibly happen next time. That said....notice how in Justice League the biggest threat was to an abandoned city? "Now we can do big big damages!"
@@kman9884 save that stuff for future movies, not the first one.
@@DickDiamond74 What does it matter? Everything resets by the next movie. Change location, change implications, change consequences. It displays the power and capability for destruction that both the hero and villain have. It gives Batman motivation to be suspicious of Superman and wanting to take action against him as a threat to mankind, after he has failed in this task before by not taking the Joker as seriously. When JL rolls around it’s not even about physical destruction, it’s about the complete domination and assimilation of the species- a far greater and horrific threat than some buildings being leveled. Really it just seems like people are mad that a superhero movie isn’t candy-coated puffery like the MCU where there’s no legitimate consequences to anything happening.
@@kap1618 Yeah just destroy 1 or 2 buildings so it seems like Zod wasn’t actually that big of a deal and completely neuter the choice that Superman has to kill him in order to stop this wonton destruction
I have seen so many people say they can't relate to how Superman's whole hope and optimism thing usually translates so Snyder's interpretation is the best. And I just don't get it.
I much prefer the Superman who makes the deliberate choice to be a hero, despite not owing anyone anything by being superpowered, then suffering the consequences of it in a realistic way by either becoming a massive threat or a messianic figure. Even in Snyder’s interpretation he still stands for hope and justice, but it’s on his terms, not because of some obligation to do good simply because he can (which isn’t actually a sign of being morally good).
When man of steel came out I didn't like superman so It made me not like him more. And then I went back and watch justice league and unlimited, as an adult I had started to love superman after I had forgotten about man of steel and I ended up watching it again. That second time hurt to watch, Henry Cavill had the potential to be the perfect on screen superman.
@@devinsteele2424 biggest thing is Superman's isnt supposed to be superman hell If were actually gonna
Get superman after his arc it like the superman and Lois lane where he actually already in the job
@@kman9884 Doing good simply because you can isn't actually a sign of being morally good? I don't think you understand morality. Doing good is good, doing nothing when you could do something is bad. That's how this all works. Costner's Pa Kent is a moral coward who puts his fears for his alien son above conscience and compassion. Superman was created by two Jews who'd witnessed the Holocaust and wanted a real 'uber menschen' that would protect and defend the weak and the helpless instead of slaughter them. Snyder pissed on that legacy and that dream and laughed about it. There is no excuse or defense for him.
@@nothingherezero7182 I enjoy all three interpretations of spider-man because they all have a lot of aspects of peter parker. This superman didn't have the aspect of being the most human superhero even though he is an alien. That he is a kind of person that you could just be the best of friends with without even trying
New Channel looks interesting, excited for it.
With Jimmy Olsen dead and possibly Dick Grayson too in the DCEU, I’m starting to think Zack Snyder hates sidekicks.
Zach snyder uses vague imagery and turns down the saturation so it must be deep and meaningful
The best live action superman for the younger generation is Tyler Hoechlin who i think isn't doing too bad
I bloody can't stand Snyder's approach to DC characters, hell anything really, as to me his movies come across as being overly dark and pretentious to the extreme. 'Pretentious' being the watchword here. Also to me he doesn't seem to appreciate what a film editors job is, because by god nothing in life is worth sitting through the length of his full cut of Justice league! LOL
Also he always needs to put a shitty color filter in all his movies for some fucking reason, like in Man of Steel the blue filter which stays on for the entire film for some reason.
@@pedrogog2161 Oh Christ agreed. The colour pallet is always so grey and 'drained' looking.
Just look at Sucker Punch. It’s a fantasy sequence within a dream sequence recapping the story of this girl in a mental hospital only for the final seconds to reveal it’s not from the girl’s perspective but some other random girl’s perspective and tries to be a commentary on the male gaze whilst having it’s leads work in a brothel then do sexy kung-fu fights in sexy schoolgirl outfits and sexy WW2 uniforms. Snyder has no idea what the hell he’s doing and makes what should be a simple story into an overly long slog of pain and misery and then tries to be symbolic and deep whilst bringing nerd wet dreams to life, these things do not match Zack
I fell asleep during all the action scenes in that film 💤😴. How ? I have no idea. They were just long and boring and too much alowmo and all the theme songs repeating. 🙄😴💤
Well, *I'm* sold on the side channel. Looking forward to seeing the nearby cast!
I thought it was funny that Michael Rosenbaum voices The Flash in Justice League Unlimited, so he technically got to be animated Lex Luthor for a day.
Looking forward to the fact fiend focus about the snyderverse
My favorite thing is when animated Lex becomes Flash and removes the mask. " I don't know who this is"
I’m sorry to hear the Chanel isn’t doing so well, I hope you guys can keep going and making very entertaining and informative videos!
Cavill would have been such a good boy scout Superman. Snyder just fundamentally didn't understand the characters or the source material.
You mean Cavill???
For anyone interested in what Zombie is about. It about a several decade long conflict in Northern Ireland (the British bit) usually referred to “the troubles”. There’s a lot going on with it so I recommend looking into it.
When they announced Batman v Superman by having Harry Lennix (I think, it's been a while) read Batman's last words to Superman from "The Dark Knight Returns," I knew that it was going to be a rough ride for Superman fans.
Was it ever...
man, heard Shillfest and feared you were activating your exit strategy that you've talked about. glad to hear that instead you're making another channel instead.
Snyder feels like someone who only read elsewords comics and that's all he thinks the DC universe is.
He really does
While I personally enjoy the SnyderVerse, I definitely agree that Bryan Cranston would've been an excellent choice to play a more traditional version of Luthor.
As someone who has only recently started reading Superman comics, hearing that Jimmy Olsen was disrespected this hard even in the extended edition when they only gave him one scene introducing himself bothers me so much. Just remember, if its shocking, that means its automatically good, like when they killed off John Connor in the beginning of the latest Terminator film. Everybody loved that RIGHT?!?!
What they fail to mention is that the 'Jimmy Olsen' that gets killed off in BvS is a CIA agent codenamed 'Talon' so 'Jimmy Olsen' is probably not his real name and that he could be just using the real James Olsen's credentials as cover.
@@jamessdavis5201 Doesn't matter. Fact of the matter is is that Jimmy Olsen is an important character to the history and legacy of Superman. Killing him off like that shows how much they don't care about Superman's legacy. It'd be like if in the Daredevil Netflix show, they killed off Foggy Nelson in the 1st episode.
@@paulmoore5392 it’s like if they did a Shazam reboot and had Freddie be a kid in a gang who gets gunned down in the first five minuets and you only see his name on a tiny bit of text on a newspaper obituary
"Why would you do that, Lucas? You woke up and chose violence today." yea, just like Snyder did when he worked on JL.
Someone made a typo in the script, dropped a "H" and now its Eisenberg playing Luthor
Zack snyder destroyed the dceu,he ruined batman,superman and wonder women all in one movie(bvs)
The gang is back together!
Remember when Snyder accidentally quoted Manchaster Black's "You live in a Dream world. "? You know THE ONE VILLAIN which parodied 90s - 00s edgy anti heroes and from the story which showed reasons of why Superman is Superman, and whose believe that Superman would kill if he lost Lois Lane was proven wrong? Wow.
I love the edit somebody did where the clip of Manchester plays after Snyder says that quote
I'd love to see an Idris Elba Lex Luthor. Honestly, his portrayal of Stacker Pentacost in Pacific Rim would work as a good template.
I definitely want to see a Fact Fiend Focus on the Snyderverse, that video is going to be Hilarious.
Those movies suck so fucking bad. I will think of the movie that way from now on, "So hamfisted in symbolism stupid people think it is deep".
How dare you! How dare you talk shit about my perfect, handsome, absolute oscar worthy director, Dad Snyder.!! I am so angry! I will go to Twitter and cancel you all. He is "perfect". A man with"out" flaws. I "clearly" enjoyed all the zach movies. And bvs is my "favorite".
"Really""?"
@@geekdivaherself it's a joke bro
@@lightduck1139 So was mine bro. Hence the quotation marks! I use the same format that you did to support your joke.
I generally take my superhero movies with a grain of salt because I lived through the time where Electra was about as good as we would get.
That being stated I have some, shall we say, difficult points in the snyderverse where I go "really?". I still watch, it's just I kinda prefer the animated dc movies and the live action marvel.
For the Man of Steel 2013 movie the one thing I just...couldn't ignore was the terraforming plot.
Why didn't Zod just terraform Venus or Mars instead of Earth?
Like literally they were going to munch all of Earth, kill us all, and make Krypton2electricboogaloo.
Atmosphere and biosphere didn't matter. They could have done Venus or Mars then. Like literally, why? They showed planets that weren't alive being used, without atmospheres.
Why Earth? What benefit? Why fight? Why?
It makes literally no sense other than "EEEEDDDGGGEEEE!!!"
I guess because Zod wanted to punish Jor-El by destroying the home he had brought his son to and therefore making Clark suffer, but Zod’s whole “the foundation must be built on something” line makes it seem more like Zod just thinks skeletons are a good structure to build on top of like the swamp castle king from Holy Grail
Always love to make fun of Snyders DC films
Snyder said he wanted to make a movie where Batman got raped in prison.
I’m still blown away by the fact that WB or whoever thought it was a good move to build their cinematic universe (to compete with Marvel) off of a 50 year old Dark Knight Returns cynical Batman.
I didn’t hate the Extended version of BVS as much as the theatrical one. Also thought the Snyder cut was pretty cool. But these Snyder movies should have been some Elseworld’s story at MOST.
WB have always made bad decisions with their DC movies, only the Nolan trilogy they left relatively alone.
I've never seen man of steel and, no offence to that kid, seeing a clip of superman sinking into a ballpit of skulls is the funniest shit I've ever seen.
I FUCKING KNEW SNYDERS LEX SHOULD'VE BEEN JIMMY. I WAS LITERALLY THINKING ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT JIMMY GETTING SHOT.
What personally bothers me most about snyder's superman is how he completely ignored superman's jewish roots in favour of making him a yet another hollywood jesus metaphor
Lex Luther from Smallville will always be the best one for me he was casted perfectly
I love your channel and I happy ya'll are shilling out and being more creative!
They picked Eisenberg over Heisenberg
Oh my God Brian Cranston would've been a great Lex!
The discussion of how cartoony Keaton's batman is makes me want a batman/roger rabbit team up.
Just found out that was Jimmy before this video was posted, such a weird decision to introduce and kill the character in a few minutes
Personally I think Henry Cavill is a good Superman but Zack gave him a horrible script to make him dark and shit. Cavill could really pull off a good lighthearted Superman if the script allowed him to do so. And another more modern Superman I absolutely love and think is a great casting is Cw Superman. Superman and Lois is legit such a good show despite being a cw show. Tom is a legit super good Superman and you get the very Boy Scout, kind and lighthearted Superman but also the very protective father Superman which is a cool dynamic. I haven’t watched season 2 yet though so no spoilers.
The 'Jimmy Olsen' that gets killed off in Batman vs Superman is a CIA operative so I doubt he is using his real name (unless he went to the James Bond school of secret identities).
Also a newspaper prop in Shazam! said that a photograph of Superman taken after his revival by the Mother Box in Justice League was taken by Jimmy Olsen so I was under the impression that the CIA Agent 'Talon' used his identity.