American here as you know from my last video comment. I've switched over to using wago connectors exclusively for all my wiring projects. I love the things I think they're great!
Just back from work terminating cables all day in a comms room and I'm sitting down watching a video about terminating cables. What am I doing with my life?🤣
I find the 2273 series are great for joining neutrals and CPCs behind switches (where the lighting circuit is fed to switch rather than using a drop cable) - they're so much smaller than anything else, and the ability to have four conductors connected in a flat connector (as opposed to the 2x2 grid of a 773 series) is great if space is tight
Love the 2773 connectors. You can pretty much get connections onto any lights no matter how little space you have, Chandeliers, back box neutrals. The other day it was fumagalli wall lights, Great light but damn all space to play with when fitting them, was using heat shrink on them before but now I could try these gel boxes
Nice to see a chart of the wagos and an explanation of the sizes for conductors, i wasn't aware of the sizing having only used a small selection. I have found when doing electrical testing after fitting the 221 lever connections if you have a connector with a spare terminal the mft tester probes go in nicely and the lever locks it in place to stop the test lead dropping out making it easier whilst testing.
The 221 connectors have 2 test probe sockets built in , to the front and back of the lever with text on, though it does require a fine probe. If there is a spare way certainly easier to use that.
@@MrKarlPrince yes its easier to clamp the test probe down leaving hands free if possible than trying to hold the thin test probes especially when working above head height.
Great vid, always enjoy the light hearted comical side while learning new information. Love the table of parts Gordon, brilliant way for identification, and as Gary said, I did snapshot that for a quick reference guide. Very useful stuff as always, maybe Wago can consider gel refill packs 🤔.
Had a query re usage very quick and professional support from Wago and quelle surprise plastering into walls ( kitchen fitter at my daughters) with 4mm connectors for 6mm not approved they listed requirements and box promptly however I still like the concept of having a cooker switch
Love wagos and I will definitely give these a try. Really great how the gel is easy to remove for future addons etc. Can you make those maintenance free like the other wago boxes though??
that is interesting. Here in Germany the terminals are called 2273 and are only up to 2.5mm2 and a variant with 6 conductors does not exist. However, we also have the gel boxes and the 221.
@@efixx that is interesting to. i looked at wago (.com) and found the 2773, but they dont have the vde approval. (vde ia required in germany) i am curios if an when they will come to us. i send this twice, because the first comment is not shwoing up. maybe the wago link is the problem😂
Love the ferrule hack!!! I have actually asked ideal industries if they recommend using ferrules with their push connectors but have yet to receive a response. I have tried it myself but only managed to get hold of 12mm ferrules from CPC Farnell but they work fine.
10:25 except for all the water going down the earth sleeving. I know its not a huge issue there, but using the sleeving seems to hurt in this application. I wonder if it would be better to cut the sleeving short to reaming outside the gel area. That would help prevent corrosion on the copper wire. Otherwise great video. I sure would love to find one of the giant 221 demonstration connectors.
You do not want moisture getting between the conductors and outer insulation sheath. I assume the outer sheath insulation should be right up to the waterproof connector. It looks like the gel would seal the end of the outer sheath.
Really frustrating that the gel boxes aren’t available in the USA. Wago USA advised me Underwriters Laboratories (UL) haven’t approved the gel boxes. Needless to say I discovered this after using six 221’s inside a plastic box inside my septic tank which is a very damp location. I may have to go back to blue wire nuts if I can’t figure out a way of keeping the 221’s dry :(
America needs to catch up on many construction items from Europe. - I went totally WAGO. Love them. never use a wing nut again I only wish they would import the BOXes to the states.
@@muppit666 wow. Cheap water heater for where life is cheap. I remember watching an electrician in Nigeria work on a live circuit - but with the added "safety" feature of wrapping insulation tape around his finger and thumb first 😳
I had considered the ferrule trick previously, though as the ferrule material is harder than copper I was concerned the Wago might not bite hard enough to make a good connection. Have Wago given their blessing to this, and is it limited to any manufacturer of ferrule?
We did consult Wago before launching this hack. You are limited on conductor sizes at top and bottom end of size ranges. Too big plastic on ferrule doesn’t fit. Too small can’t get enough insertion force.
Hi, What a great video. Iv'e just descovered your channel and will definately be watching future video's. Could you please answer my question as to why WAGO don't make a four way 221 connector.
It was all down to quantity. We do have the 32A rated 2773-404 PUSHWIRE that can accept solid & 7 strand conductors and other products in development which will close this gap.
Thats a good spot..... I assume the requirement for a 2nd enclosure (as mentioned in the vid) would mitigate that issue a little as these aren't supposed to be used where the box is submerged in water but yh there is certainly scope for the water to wick up the Earth sleeving at the cable sheath end.... Maybe just a small section of glue lined heatshrink would fix that?
Yes, roll on fully insulated CPCs as used in Ireland, NZ, Australia etc in their T&E equivalents, and of course most of the rest of the world in their standard cable types (except North America lol)
Are ferrules a recognised system...ie while using them on the wago(non cage) the wago is only biting down on the actual ferrule...if the wire slips out or works its way loose from the ferrule you lose the wago advantage(wago hack). ?
American here, so please forgive my ignorance. That MASSIVE WAGO 221 on the table is a bit confusing. With the size of conductor it would take, how is it only rated for 20A??? That seems a bit flimsy.
Hello, I’m in Canada where I’m also stuck with wire nuts. I’ve always been curious what the cost of wago’s are over the pond. Here it’s difficult to get 2 connection 221 for less then $.40 where wire nuts are less then $.02. What are you guys paying for wago’s where they are more widely adopted?
@@Electronics-Rocks I am not sure. It’s probably when you have a few squeezed into a small enclosure and they rub against other cables/Wago’s. I use 221’s for everything. When you are doing multiple jobs and waiting for other trades to carry on with your next part of the install it’s clip and un clip away. It might just be that the clip is slightly up but the actual mechanism isn’t open?
@@darrenplant619 interesting as I use wago nearly all the time except for heat conditions. I think the answer maybe other trades!!! Would be interesting to find out if anyone else has found the same. Is it solid cores or stranded?
@@darylsavage119 Oh yes, For when the cooker is moving from here to there and the kitchen fitter wants to fit a backsplash over the existing box. Need a MF connector there! (with an MF enclosure of course). I was thinking that massive wago would look cool on meter tails to give the meter fitter a laugh LOL
Would bedubious using it with the earth in T&E with a sleeve as it could allow moisture into the joint through the sleeve. On the other hand , Where do i get one of those huge WAGOs on the table , i want one lol
Sleeve may allow water and result in failure of connection over time, but as it is the cpc it will probably not be as critical as it should be at it would help ensure a rcd trip if water leaks to the live or neutral
@@efixx I’m referring to the ones to be able to connect aluminum and copper wire together together. I know they are approved in Europe as long as you use their antioxidant paste but not approved here. Would make life so much easier and cheaper without having to buy special Co/Alr outlets and switches and less crowded in the box 👍🏻...and too clarify..it would be 2273-243 or 222 for junction boxes.
Catch up with what? We had eight of those stupid wago splices melt at a 1200 room hotel. Remember we have double the current at 120v. They may be ok for end of line lighting with a .05 amp load but not a air or reefer circuit.
I have seen the Chinese copies of wago on Bigclive(a recommended watch) now I see ToolStation selling these unbranded THREE WAY wago clones anyone used them? Having looked at them still prefer wago 221
I have asked ToolStation to email me the data sheet to check it conforms and still waiting. Very interesting as they say they are unbranded. The last refresher course covering pat testing we must not say fake but not compliant to UK regulations. The biggest thing I see with the ToolStation connectors is separation which is less than good old screw terminals for use on LV, these may comply with ELV????
@@efixx Well would you believe it's only on the second pass the scrollbar mentions the payed adverts.. Hey, not whining here.. it watched it without complaining and liked it
No problem - we are open about our commercial relationships and comply with country laws and TH-cam requirements - most other channels aren’t so clear.
Graham, please play your vid back and then check the regs, a couple of comments that may mislead the sheep of the electrical world. First selv is not safety low voltage, and you stated first after terminating into the gel pack that's all you need to do, you just introduced a code 2 fault in your termination, it cannot be left like that. For anyone who disagrees please read the regs and guidence notes on how to do it. Don't be a sheep. Graham you did correct yourself after placing wago into the bucket, but people respond more by visual than vocal direction.
You’ll have to explain further so I get the gist - we gave two examples a SELV system supplying 24VDC LED tape and a mains voltage system LV supplying something like a bollard. The second would have to be inside a suitable enclosure.
American here as you know from my last video comment. I've switched over to using wago connectors exclusively for all my wiring projects. I love the things I think they're great!
Fantastic news 👍🦾
Just back from work terminating cables all day in a comms room and I'm sitting down watching a video about terminating cables. What am I doing with my life?🤣
We hope you have a beer 🍺 in your hands 🤣🤣🤣
Im not an electrician at all but i really enjoy watching you guys, you really seem like you like what you do
Massive thanks 👍🦾
Thanks 🙏 we love it
Me too, learn a lot so I can do some DIY electrics 😂⚡🤯
@@vikingofengland haha
I find the 2273 series are great for joining neutrals and CPCs behind switches (where the lighting circuit is fed to switch rather than using a drop cable) - they're so much smaller than anything else, and the ability to have four conductors connected in a flat connector (as opposed to the 2x2 grid of a 773 series) is great if space is tight
Love the 2773 connectors. You can pretty much get connections onto any lights no matter how little space you have, Chandeliers, back box neutrals.
The other day it was fumagalli wall lights, Great light but damn all space to play with when fitting them, was using heat shrink on them before but now I could try these gel boxes
I used the wago connectors and gell box for looping from my Christmas lights for two years perfect fast and no problems related to humidity.
Great feedback 👍
I had experience of WAGO components with PTFE wires in ADA for 20 years after my retirement from HAL Bangalore
and I am new with gelbox,
Look like an excellent bit of kit, combined with a wiska box they would be perfect for outdoor lighting.
Fantastic I like the idea of the gellbox, fantastic video as always Gary and Gordon.
You need to review Wago 221-2411 and accessories
I'm a marine electronics technician these would come in handy
Nice to see a chart of the wagos and an explanation of the sizes for conductors, i wasn't aware of the sizing having only used a small selection.
I have found when doing electrical testing after fitting the 221 lever connections if you have a connector with a spare terminal the mft tester probes go in nicely and the lever locks it in place to stop the test lead dropping out making it easier whilst testing.
Great tip - thanks Paul
The 221 connectors have 2 test probe sockets built in , to the front and back of the lever with text on, though it does require a fine probe. If there is a spare way certainly easier to use that.
@@MrKarlPrince yes its easier to clamp the test probe down leaving hands free if possible than trying to hold the thin test probes especially when working above head height.
Great video Gaz as always and the older guy is improving as well 👏🏻🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Thanks for the support 👍🦾
Thanks for the support and watching. Gaz 👍🦾
The close up camera work is amazing I feel myself leaning it to look 👀. Keep up the great work Gaz and his Pal 🦾
Great vid, always enjoy the light hearted comical side while learning new information. Love the table of parts Gordon, brilliant way for identification, and as Gary said, I did snapshot that for a quick reference guide. Very useful stuff as always, maybe Wago can consider gel refill packs 🤔.
I do love an eFIXX Wago video 👊🦾👍
great product have used the gel boxes on some up lighting around a sculpture with the lighting in pavers no problems so far
Had a query re usage very quick and professional support from Wago and quelle surprise plastering into walls ( kitchen fitter at my daughters) with 4mm connectors for 6mm not approved they listed requirements and box promptly however I still like the concept of having a cooker switch
Love my Wago 221's here in the USA. both the 4xx series and even the larger 6xx series.
Love wagos and I will definitely give these a try. Really great how the gel is easy to remove for future addons etc. Can you make those maintenance free like the other wago boxes though??
That's great! I'll definitely consider these for outside work. Brill video.
that is interesting.
Here in Germany the terminals are called 2273 and are only up to 2.5mm2 and a variant with 6 conductors does not exist.
However, we also have the gel boxes and the 221.
The 2773 - is the upgraded (new) version of the 2273 . The 2273 will be discontinued soon.
@@efixx that is interesting to.
i looked at wago (.com) and found the 2773, but they dont have the vde approval. (vde ia required in germany)
i am curios if an when they will come to us.
i send this twice, because the first comment is not shwoing up. maybe the wago link is the problem😂
Love the ferrule hack!!! I have actually asked ideal industries if they recommend using ferrules with their push connectors but have yet to receive a response. I have tried it myself but only managed to get hold of 12mm ferrules from CPC Farnell but they work fine.
Good to see people getting ferrules from a reliable & trusted source.
Another great demonstration. Will need to get a few of these.
Can't wait till a 10mm2 version :)
10:25 except for all the water going down the earth sleeving. I know its not a huge issue there, but using the sleeving seems to hurt in this application. I wonder if it would be better to cut the sleeving short to reaming outside the gel area. That would help prevent corrosion on the copper wire. Otherwise great video. I sure would love to find one of the giant 221 demonstration connectors.
Shut up and take my money already!
Nice demo 👍
👊😄
4:12 you gotta appreciate we had a very bad time with backstabbing outlets that we were assured at the time they were whiz bang greatest way to go
Brilliant connectors.
Love a Wago
You do not want moisture getting between the conductors and outer insulation sheath. I assume the outer sheath insulation should be right up to the waterproof connector. It looks like the gel would seal the end of the outer sheath.
Really frustrating that the gel boxes aren’t available in the USA. Wago USA advised me Underwriters Laboratories (UL) haven’t approved the gel boxes. Needless to say I discovered this after using six 221’s inside a plastic box inside my septic tank which is a very damp location. I may have to go back to blue wire nuts if I can’t figure out a way of keeping the 221’s dry
:(
They look pretty good.. wagos the best thing since sliced bread 👍👍👍👍
Look at that big wago!
I want that giant 221 connector :O
🤑
America needs to catch up on many construction items from Europe. - I went totally WAGO. Love them. never use a wing nut again I only wish they would import the BOXes to the states.
Brilliant 👏
Was just using these today lol
I see you stepped back lol, great video guys
Great tip with the ferrule 🤣
🙏
great video 👍
Some of us in the US are sold on the WAGO's
👍😃
What about the control sample? We need to see a non-waterproofed termination in the bucket. :)
We’ve asked our expert friend in India to run that test following in from the success of this innovation -th-cam.com/video/Y-3w8juVzFM/w-d-xo.html
@@efixx 😂😂You need to watch this with subtitles on. Makes it way more, erm, interesting. 👊🤘😎
@@muppit666 wow. Cheap water heater for where life is cheap. I remember watching an electrician in Nigeria work on a live circuit - but with the added "safety" feature of wrapping insulation tape around his finger and thumb first 😳
very interesting, thanks!
Always good stuff from germans
Wish I could find these in the US.
“Our American viewers struggle….”
Cheeky bah-stids lol!
Seriously though, very informative show.
Thanks, from one of your American cousins.
I had considered the ferrule trick previously, though as the ferrule material is harder than copper I was concerned the Wago might not bite hard enough to make a good connection. Have Wago given their blessing to this, and is it limited to any manufacturer of ferrule?
We did consult Wago before launching this hack. You are limited on conductor sizes at top and bottom end of size ranges. Too big plastic on ferrule doesn’t fit. Too small can’t get enough insertion force.
@@efixx What about uninsulated ferrules?
Hi,
What a great video. Iv'e just descovered your channel and will definately be watching future
video's. Could you please answer my question as to why WAGO don't make a four way 221
connector.
Thanks - not sure on that one we’ll ask our contacts at Wago and see what’s in the product plans moving forward.
It was all down to quantity. We do have the 32A rated 2773-404 PUSHWIRE that can accept solid & 7 strand conductors and other products in development which will close this gap.
When using stranded wires with the 221, do que need to first twist the copper before inserting or we just strip and insert?
Quality!
Im not an electrician but i want that knipex tool for ferrules
😄👍
What was that connector on the led light? Would it be suitable for corded power tools?
Great video as always guys, out of interest, was the cable you submerged protected by an RCD?
Yes - and regularly tested 👍
not ideal in UK as you guys are using sleeving arount the earth, that creates an opening for water to enter
around*
Good point - we will investigate further - Thanks 🙏
Thats a good spot..... I assume the requirement for a 2nd enclosure (as mentioned in the vid) would mitigate that issue a little as these aren't supposed to be used where the box is submerged in water but yh there is certainly scope for the water to wick up the Earth sleeving at the cable sheath end....
Maybe just a small section of glue lined heatshrink would fix that?
Yes, roll on fully insulated CPCs as used in Ireland, NZ, Australia etc in their T&E equivalents, and of course most of the rest of the world in their standard cable types (except North America lol)
@@Thats_Mr_Random_Person_to_you only if that other box has the same IP rating, if it does then it makes this enclosure redundant
Great video. Do wago make the additional enclosure you talk about to put the gel connectors in? Or what would you suggest instead?
Thanks
Are ferrules a recognised system...ie while using them on the wago(non cage) the wago is only biting down on the actual ferrule...if the wire slips out or works its way loose from the ferrule you lose the wago advantage(wago hack). ?
If you can pull the wire from the ferrule it’s a problem with the crimp tool. We did check with Wago before suggesting the hack.,
I swear by the "3m scotchlok 316ir" as a waterproof connector.
American here, so please forgive my ignorance. That MASSIVE WAGO 221 on the table is a bit confusing. With the size of conductor it would take, how is it only rated for 20A??? That seems a bit flimsy.
20A is the rating for Japan (PSE) - rest of the world should be 32A ( UL & ENEC) - the massive one is a rare treat!
Would the earth sleeved cables compromise the water proofing as they could allow water to enter the assembly at the open end?
Hello, I’m in Canada where I’m also stuck with wire nuts. I’ve always been curious what the cost of wago’s are over the pond. Here it’s difficult to get 2 connection 221 for less then $.40 where wire nuts are less then $.02. What are you guys paying for wago’s where they are more widely adopted?
What the SKU for that massive wago on the table?!
btw great video as always!
Thanks 👍
Why we should not try this at home ? If its a waterproof solution and IPX8 (underwaterproof) we can do it too, or not?
is that a wago for meter tails on the bench ? :)
Meter tails?!? More like main supply...🤣😂
What enclosure would you put these gel boxes in? e.g. if you were joining in to a ring main in a moisture-prone area
I love the 221 but I always worry about the levers popping open as the odd time it has happened.
Use these 2773’s to reduce the worry
I will try but I don’t like them as twisting them off is a pain with multiple cables in one block.
What causes the lever to pop open vibration?
I have seen the lever break but never come loose.
@@Electronics-Rocks I am not sure. It’s probably when you have a few squeezed into a small enclosure and they rub against other cables/Wago’s. I use 221’s for everything. When you are doing multiple jobs and waiting for other trades to carry on with your next part of the install it’s clip and un clip away. It might just be that the clip is slightly up but the actual mechanism isn’t open?
@@darrenplant619 interesting as I use wago nearly all the time except for heat conditions. I think the answer maybe other trades!!!
Would be interesting to find out if anyone else has found the same.
Is it solid cores or stranded?
Hi. Any reason your preferring to use Knipex tooling over WAGO hand tools like 206-1125 and 206-1204 since you are promoting WAGO connectors?
We’ve got KNIPEX tools we don’t have the Wago ones
Where can i get one of them large wagos
Clock up a few 100,000 views on some videos and they might send ☝️ one.
I did not hear you say do not try this at home why has all my power gone off.
That water didn’t look wet enough.... was it b/s water? 😬
It’s known as Tapland Spring at eFIXX
How do these fair against the wiska gel boxes?
We haven’t tried the Wiska version yet
Water could still make its way down the cable?
Why have you got a massive wago on the table and where can i get one 😂
Its a prototype for the 240mm sq cables 🤣🤣🤣
@@efixx dont joke, I'd love a wago capable of joint 10mm
@@darylsavage119 Oh yes, For when the cooker is moving from here to there and the kitchen fitter wants to fit a backsplash over the existing box. Need a MF connector there! (with an MF enclosure of course). I was thinking that massive wago would look cool on meter tails to give the meter fitter a laugh LOL
@@TheChipmunk2008 wago style cooker outlet, now that's an idea 💡
Where can i get the gigantic Wago connector😱
not easy to get your hands on - it's taken us years and 100'000s of wago video views!
Would bedubious using it with the earth in T&E with a sleeve as it could allow moisture into the joint through the sleeve. On the other hand , Where do i get one of those huge WAGOs on the table , i want one lol
Good point - we will look at that further - may have to leave the sleeve “short” - The big Wago’s are rare as...
@@efixx I have a 120mm 4 core to joint , they look ideal lol
Sleeve may allow water and result in failure of connection over time, but as it is the cpc it will probably not be as critical as it should be at it would help ensure a rcd trip if water leaks to the live or neutral
@@stevendrennan167 yes but inside the same enclosure is the love and neutral so would short out in no time due to ingress of water
Would you be using T&E in a high moisture environment, where gel filled joints would be beneficial? Probably not.
where can I get a giant wago?
Tricky to get hold of those!!
@@efixx are they point of sale material or just a limited edition?
You're narration says 2773 but the title says 2273.
In confised...
Well spotted - we will correct that
Might be worth saying that if you use a ferrule, it is very unlikely you will get it out, like you can with solid copper.
With these kind of technology we'll be out of work soon 😇 no more faults to fix.
Most of these things can't be purchased here in the United States
2773 ? Or 2273.?
2773 is the updated version of 2273 - common rating and cable size across the range
@@efixx in Germany the 2773 doesnt exist -,-
Depends on where you are in the world as we only offer one type per country. 2273=2.5mm max 24A, 2773 =4.0mm 32A.
Guys guys guys!
What's the name of that big Wago 221? :D
Any idea if and when these will get approved to use in North America for use in aluminum wiring? Those alumicons are a joke price wise.
The 2773 connectors already have UL approval - we'll have to check on the actual gelbox.
@@efixx I’m referring to the ones to be able to connect aluminum and copper wire together together. I know they are approved in Europe as long as you use their antioxidant paste but not approved here. Would make life so much easier and cheaper without having to buy special Co/Alr outlets and switches and less crowded in the box 👍🏻...and too clarify..it would be 2273-243 or 222 for junction boxes.
Interesting it’s very rare we see aluminium cables in the UK so not a problem we face. I’ll ask our contacts at Wago and see if they know.
@@efixx They would make a killing selling those here.
Catch up with what? We had eight of those stupid wago splices melt at a 1200 room hotel. Remember we have double the current at 120v. They may be ok for end of line lighting with a .05 amp load but not a air or reefer circuit.
Never had success with stranded and ferrules into a 2273. Maybe I'm doing something wrong 🤷♂️
I have seen the Chinese copies of wago on Bigclive(a recommended watch) now I see ToolStation selling these unbranded THREE WAY wago clones anyone used them?
Having looked at them still prefer wago 221
Lots of copies around mainly based on the older versions - we like the clear type so you can see the quality of the connection.
I have asked ToolStation to email me the data sheet to check it conforms and still waiting. Very interesting as they say they are unbranded. The last refresher course covering pat testing we must not say fake but not compliant to UK regulations. The biggest thing I see with the ToolStation connectors is separation which is less than good old screw terminals for use on LV, these may comply with ELV????
Never purchase or use any safety or test equipment & electrical items made.by lying cheating lack of quality control scum bag china.
Yeah you know you can drop a splice in clean water and it won’t trip a gfci
Are these waterproof enclosures *maintenance free* connectors.
The connectors are maintenance free but the enclosure is not as the cables are not restrained.
@@daviddraper9256
thx
I was thinking of a way to make them maintenance free by using cable ties.
@@johnburns4017 What is the application you have in mind?
@@daviddraper9256
None really, wanting to know if they can be. Maintenance free would be handy in wet areas.
This must have been made a while ago. The back wall is empty
Did we forget to mention this review is sponsored by WAGO or are we just waiting until someone is harassing TH-cam to retract the video
It mentions paid promotion at the start and the link to Wago is labelled as an AD - so what's the problem.
@@efixx Well would you believe it's only on the second pass the scrollbar mentions the payed adverts..
Hey, not whining here.. it watched it without complaining and liked it
No problem - we are open about our commercial relationships and comply with country laws and TH-cam requirements - most other channels aren’t so clear.
Haha Americans
Graham, please play your vid back and then check the regs, a couple of comments that may mislead the sheep of the electrical world. First selv is not safety low voltage, and you stated first after terminating into the gel pack that's all you need to do, you just introduced a code 2 fault in your termination, it cannot be left like that. For anyone who disagrees please read the regs and guidence notes on how to do it. Don't be a sheep. Graham you did correct yourself after placing wago into the bucket, but people respond more by visual than vocal direction.
You’ll have to explain further so I get the gist - we gave two examples a SELV system supplying 24VDC LED tape and a mains voltage system LV supplying something like a bollard. The second would have to be inside a suitable enclosure.