Peace be to you Dr.Webb! Thank for doing this video. I've been a PA for 20 years! It's a GREAT profession! I have really enjoyed the collaborative relationship I have had with my supervising physicians, over the years. I am so happy that the PA profession has grown in popularity! There still needs to be much more education about the training requirements, though. Thanks again! May the good Lord grant you continued success in your positive endeavors and, bless you and your beautiful family! Peace!😊👍🏾❤👨🏾🎓👨🏾⚕️👨🏾🏫
John Montgomery I don’t know a national average, but I have a page from the AAPA salary report right here. This shows an average hourly rate by state. Arizona- 66/hr, California - 62/hr, Colorado-55/hr, Florida-65/hr, Georgia- 68/hr.
(Pro PA post here) MDs have full autonomy but also full liability. PAs have almost full autonomy in all specialties expect any surgical specialties (Be a MD/DO if surgery is your thing). PA pay is a lot lower but their debt is 200% less on average and PAs are generally younger so investing in your youth is possible. Can work multiple specialties at once including at home telephone docs and at home radiology...
Yeah. He definitely doesn’t get the recommended amount of sleep. This isn’t anything about him, but personally, I would not want to be operated on by someone who wasn’t well rested.
Shelly B I’m a PA student and still struggling a bit, I don’t think that will ever end completely but I think PA is the best route for my personality and lifestyle preference. Good luck!
The healthcare community needs both PAs and MDs... decide based on your life's priorities. Whatever you choose do it for the right reason! Patients deserve caring, knowledgeable individuals in both capacities. #PA-S
PA are not Assistants to Doctors, PA’s are only truly assistants to doctors in the area of surgery....PA's practice alongside MD's, Depending on the State PA's no longer need MD's to sign off on anything, PA’s order and interpret labs and imaging studies (x-ray/CT/MRI etc.) just as any physician does, PA's can also open their own practice as long as a Physician is available by telephone in some States or on staff. PA's can also attend a residency though it is not required to practice. I do agree it is preference to be a PA or MD but there are a lot new grads choosing to go to PA school at a very high rate. The life of a PA is just more appealing to most than an MD. Even though MD's are in charge and make crazy amounts of money...PA's also have cheaper Malpractice than MD's. In my opinion PA's are lifelong Residents...just paid better
Angela Nwankwo yeah your right and guess who else can't open a cardiology practice... any doctor that is not a cardiologist ..... the same can be said for MD's they can really only practice in the scope of what they were taught during med school and residency. PA's can practice over a wide range of specialties and are not limited to just one... continuing there education learning and practicing different specialties long after the 2-3 years of PA school... there is no comparison here MDs are the boss. PAs are not... I'm just saying there are a lot more pro's to being a PA then what was let on in this video...
EMEKA TV PA's can open their own practice? That's intriguing. I agree, the word "assistant" in this profession needs to be gone and replaced with something else.
EMEKA TV Yup that’s the same propaganda I bought into when I was debating PA vs MD. You know you’re really doing the world a big disservice trying to glorify the PA profession as such. It is very misleading and in reality most of the times the PA needs a doctor to be within the same area/vicinity because PAs work under the license of a doctor. Yeah your model works in theory but in reality it’s a whole different story. Yeah I’m sure there are some PAs who have opened up their own practice, but in the majority of cases this is not true at all. And then there are people on his very video trying to mislead viewers by saying PAs make 200k. Very few PAs make 200k a year and usually they have to complete a 1-2 year residency and usually they have 5-10+ years of experience before hitting that salary. I bought into the same propaganda bullshit that convinced me to go the PA route until I recently switched over to the MD route. Please anyone who is reading this comment don’t buy into the myths and lies these PA advocates are spouting. Go MD if you are young and want to master medicine and have a secured financial future. Not saying PAs don’t have their place in the world, they do and it can be an attractive specialty to people who are older and already in the healthcare profession, like paramedics, nurses, etc and don’t have 7+ years to dedicate to medical school. Don’t make the same mistake that I made that set me back 2 years before I switched over to MD route.
Dr. Webb, I always appreciate your honesty and thoughtful responses to questions. I would be honored to work for a doc like you one day when I’m done with PA school!
DevAnimate it also depends on your situation now , do you have any kids, do you live parents and etc . I’m a nursing student currently and after my experience i will either go the NP specializing in Pysch Or Family Or CRNA
DevAnimate it’s dependent on your training. I’m an md so I’m not fully aware of all the specialties but have been told that NP specialist do well financially. I specifically was told of the anesthesia NPs.
PA's Salary ranges from $100,000 to $200,000. Like Dr. Webb said, it all depends on the specialty and where in the country you work. Primary care usually make the least(90-120k) while other specialties like dermatology, emergency medicine and surgical specialties pay 150-200k.
May I ask where you are getting these numbers? bls.gov states the median salary at 105K and the scale roughly 73-120K (payscale.com) where as PCP make about 208K (bls.gov) and range is about 150-240K (payscale.com). Most medical specialties make salaries in the range of 200-700K with specialties like anesthesia making 350K, cardio at 400K, and neurosurgery at 650K. (Medscape). I doubt any dermatologist make 150K-200K as they make around 250K starting off and can expect up to 365K after 5 years. (workdaily.com) I guess PA can make 200K if the specialize but I am uncertain of that. I don't mean to "BM" you or anything but just want to fact check your numbers :) .
LMAO at Derm making 200k. EM averages around 300-350k and Derm even more, and surgical subspecialties like ENT, Plastics, Ortho are ver well known for high compensation. Please cite actual sources and stats, instead of going along with a narrative that helps you with your inferiority complex www.medscape.com/slideshow/2018-compensation-overview-6009667#4
Autonomy is the main thing for me. Still trying to figure out how to pay back all the loans in case my plan of fleeing the country and getting a new identity falls through.
Peace be to you Dr.Webb! I am a new subscriber. This was an EXCELLENT review and comparison of these two fine professions! Everyone should choose what profession fits their lifestyle and ultimate goals! I hope to purchase your book soon. Keep up the great work! God bless you! Peace! Omar "Dr.O the PA Pro" Abdul-Malik DHEd, MPAS, PA-C, CHES 🤓
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Proud PA student :) if anyone sees this and has questions you can comment and I can try to answer. I love answering questions about the profession. Good luck in whatever you decide. Insta: @lisafellispac
George Ramirez i graduated with a BS in psychology in 2013. I graduated with a 3.6 overall. I do not remember my science GPA. Had 2 Cs. History and bio 2. I had my CNA license after graduating high school. After graduated college I worked as a CNA in a nursing home for 1 year 3 months. Then transferred to the hospital as a PCT for 1 year 3 months. While I worked in the nursing home I got my EMT license and then got a job as an MA at a pediatric office and worked there for 2 years and 8 months.
Hello, I'm halfway through my nursing program and am planning on applying to PA school in the future. I was wondering if you knew if PA schools looked negatively at people from this background, since the two approaches are so different.
One of the most appealing things about PA is the lateral mobility. The thought of staying in a specific specialty for 20+ years isn’t very suiting for me. I like the idea that I, if I were a PA, could do many different specialties without going back to school for it. Work in Emergency, then maybe Oncology or whatever you want. So the two things that drew me toward PA is the mobility and the schooling.
Cameron Andrews Don’t buy into the same propaganda I bought into when I was debating PA vs MD route. Lateral mobility is not as good as you might think because you’re essentially starting over in terms of salary and learning base. Also lateral mobility is not exclusive to the PA profession. Doctors of different specialties can moonlight in the ER because there are not enough ER doctors in the world to cover the ER 24 hour shifts. That’s why you see so many family medicine doctors moonlighting in the emergency room and urgent care centers. Also another thing, there are fellowships as short as 1 year that will let you practice in different specialties. For example an emergency medicine doctor can practice critical care medicine upon completion of a 1 year fellowship program. That’s just one example. So lateral mobility shouldn’t be “the most appealing thing about PA profession” because doctors can do it too despite the myths out there that “doctors are stuck in their specialty after residency.” And if you don’t believe me just talk to doctors about moonlighting and fellowship programs. They’ll say the same thing I just said. They’re not “stuck in 1 speciality for the rest of their life.” The only real reason you should pursue PA is if you’re in your 40s and don’t want to dedicate 7+ years to becoming a doctor. If you’re young why not pursue MD that will let you master your craft? PAs will never master medicine because their role is supplemental and an extension of the physician they work under. I’ve been in your shoes and thought of everything you’ve thought of like “PAs work less than doctors so PAs have a better lifestyle” or “PAs have better lateral mobility than doctors” or “PAs can make just as much as doctors.” Let me tell you something. Some of those which I quoted are myths are exaggerated truths. For example, to make 200k as a PA as some people in this comment section are saying, you have to pursue a 1-2 year residency and usually these people have 5-10+ years of experience before being able to reach 200k salary. Let me repeat myself. 200k salary as a PA is not the norm. It is a big outlier, but it can be attainable, but it will require a residency as well as long work hours. And these salaries are often in surgical specialties within the PA profession. So now let me ask you why would you pursue the PA route if you’re going to end up working long hours to attain that 200k salary which is easily attainable by family doctors that lowest competitive specialty in medicine? And with the inclusion of a 1-2 year residency the PA route takes even longer to finish. Why would you pursue this path when medical school is only a few years longer and the pay off is better? Doctors make 2-4 times as much as PAs for the same effort you would have invested into completing a PA program plus 1-2 year residency. It just doesn’t make sense financially which is why I decided to pursue MD route over PA. And one more myth I’ll address. The myth that PA is a lifestyle profession and that PAs work fewer hours than MDs. Like I’ve said before if you are a PA in a surgical specialty you’re not going to be working less than your counterpart doctor. You’ll work the same hours as a doctor and get paid less. And actually if you’re in private practice the doctors work less than the physician assistants they hire. This is a fact and you can talk to some doctors if you don’t believe me. In private practice the doctors are the owners and they have the last say and can do whatever they want. You will rarely find a PA who is also a partner in private practice, which means they have no control over their work hours. The only way you will work less as a PA compared to your counterpart doctor is if you work a part time job in a specialty like psychiatry or family medicine, which by the way if you didn’t know doctors can also work part time. This is another myth that “doctors can’t work part time” but again it depends on the type of practice, whether or not you are partner, and depends on specialty. I can name you a specialty right now that will let you work lots of part time and that’s emergency medicine, which is primarily a shift based career. This is another fact. So I can keep going, but I’ll end it here. I hope that debunks most of the myths out there and gave you more insight into PA vs MD. Don’t make the same mistake I made when I bought into all the propaganda and myths that deluded me into thinking that the PA profession is better than MD. This delusion set me back 2 years and now I’m in the process of trying to get into med school. Btw, I’m not bashing PAs. PA profession is a very attractive specialty to people who are older and don’t have the time to dedicate nearly a decade to doing medical school. There are lots of pros and cons and you’ll just have to weigh them yourself but don’t buy into all the myths and propaganda that I did when I was a young, naive freshman/sophomore.
@@timothypaulino2529 I'm very confused because I wanted to become a aspiring neurosurgeon as a MD. But some people keep saying that doctors and surgeons with MDs and DOs have no lives, and that they have no time for there family. The autonomy and the depth of medical information means the world to me and I genuinely do want to take that path when it comes to helping patients. I want to diagnose them and be the main surgeon to physically work with the tools and the patient on the operating table, and not just suction or stitch them up as the only thing. I also do want to take on some challenging cases in my future and not just minor ones. However it's not about the title for me. people on the internet and yt have told me that being a pa gives you less burden on malpractice suites or being in debt, is that true? Will I have time for family?
mullett2k1 First of all let me default of this by saying that I wasn’t belittling PAs. Not too long ago I wanted to go to PA school myself and thought very highly of the PAs I shadowed, even so now. The point of my comments is to try to be as objective as possible when comparing the two professions. Never did I make any references to inadequate or subpar training when comparing doctors to PAs. I was objective as possible when talking about salary, scope of practice, education level, etc. The thing about lateral mobility to put it simply is that retention and skillset in any specialty generally diminishes over time if you don’t use it daily. That’s what I meant by “starting over.” Not to mention you’ll be “starting over” in terms of salary too. I don’t see why you would be able to command the same salary jumping from specialty to specialty. Different specialties have different protocols, different procedures, different training. You can’t retain all of that naturally. You also can’t master every single specialty out there, which is why PAs are often seen as the “jack of all trades, master of none.” If you switch to dermatology and haven’t done a chest intubation in over 10 years you honestly think your recollection of that procedure and all that it entails will remain fresh? You’re starting over when you switch to another specialty, simple as that. And your salary will drop too. I’m sure I don’t have to explain why less experience and skillset leads to less revenue and income. Secondly, this is just based on my own research and talking to multiple PAs when I was a pre-PA student, but generally the consensus is that a residency is equal to 5-8 years of working full time. There’s only so much you can learn efficiently on the day to day. That’s why there are residency programs out there that teach you in a structured manner. It’s not the same environment. I don’t care how long you been working. A residency that requires you to log a certain number of procedures every month and display competency in those areas will always reign supreme over whatever on-the-job training you’ve picked up over the years. And if you want to go to the physician assistant forum and talk to EMEDPA, one of the best pre-PA advisors since the dawn of the profession, he’ll gladly educate you. In fact I followed his advice for quite a while when I was a pre-PA student, so I’m not just some random pre-med student talking down to PAs as you seem to think I’m doing. Moreover, there has been talk that they might start implementing residency requirements for PAs so your “lateral mobility” might eventually become a thing of the past. Thirdly, you cannot deny that the PA profession has become very popular in the last decade, so much so that it has become the backup plan for people wanting a med school alternative. In fact a simple google search shows how people seem to think that the PA profession is better than MDs because and I’ll paraphrase “less debt, less time commitment, less malpractice.” All I’m hearing is less, less, less. If PAs want to be treated as equals why, and excuse my language, why the fuck does everyone keep looking for the easy way out? If PAs want to be paid as much as a doctor then why don’t they prove it by completing the same god damn licensing requirements? Doctors go through so much bullshit to get to where they are. If PAs want to reap the same benefits then they have to strive for more, not less. By the way I’m curious if you were competitive for both PA and med school, which I’m not sure how you would gauge your competitiveness unless you also took the MCAT, or are you simply basing it off your GPA? But anyways if you were competitive for both why choose PA over MD? If anything, my transition from pre-pa to pre-med has made me a more complete individual. In the past few years I’ve strived to become the best version of myself. I’ve proven that I can handle upper division courses such as medical biochemistry, histology, molecular genetics, stem cell biology, genomics, bioinformatics, instrumental analysis, neurophysiology. I would have never taken these courses as a pre-pa student. I’m not even going to get into all of the other stuff like how PAs have no training in medical research and by medical research I’m talking about real wet-lab research or translational research such as those funded by the NIH. And PAs are limited in terms of business opportunities. Almost every single private practice I’ve seen in my life is owned by a doctor, unless you want to chime in on some outrageous outlier anecdotal story. And then there’s international medicine, which is another avenue where PAs are limited. Won’t get into that one either. Last, but not least there’s academics. Obviously academic medicine is a big area for MD/PHDs. Pretty sure PAs are limited there too. So I’m not seeing the point of going to PA school if you’re 22 years old. The only thing I’ve heard repeatedly is “less time commitment, ability to make six figures faster, less workload, no on-call responsibilities” oh man don’t even fucking get me started on that one. Let me just say if you can’t handle on-call shifts then don’t try to pretend to be a doctor when it’s convenient for your ego and then say nah I’m not a doctor when shit hits the floor and a patient is going into cardiac arrest (not talking about you by the way just those individuals who exhibit this characteristic, some of whom I’ve observed in real life). But I’m curious go ahead and enlighten me as to what other reason there would be for someone to choose PA over MD if they are young? I’m sure you’ll come up with a good one like some holistic philosophy or something like that, just like how nurses try to differentiate themselves from doctors by trying to paint doctors as emotionless, apathetic individuals. As if holistic care is exclusive to the nursing field am I right? I’ve pretty much heard it all at this point. Rant over
I mean if you genuinely want to heal people, you would survive in Med school. If you want to be a PA and more concern about salary, life style, family you would choose that route.
It just depends on the specialty honestly. If you are in the ER. You clock in AND out like everyone else. Same as a hospitalist. And a lot of specialist rotate who is in call. I think residency is intense. But I think it's not too bad afterwards. I'd be an md over a PA. Because I heard PA school is actually more intense. AND a lot only make 100k. I can make that as a nurse now. If you are already working. I'd just take your time. AND shoot for DO/MD. Also , one more thing. If a nurse calls a dr late at night. (past 9) And its not an emergency. They will get yelled at. If not worse. So i don't think being on call. Is as bad. At least at my hospital. I'm sure some are worse. We have an np that works late for the boring orders.
Key Brown Most doctors retire around 60-70. Money definitely matters, but working unhappily your whole life just to be able to retire at an older age where you and your body can't enjoy life as much as you could have when you were younger, is no way to live life imo.
Thats my internal fight too (I'm thinking to do surgery or EM)...as a surgeon you earn more, but is it worth earning more if you don't have the time to enjoy spending that money.
I would say the PA pay range is $60,000 - $131,000. Dermatology seems to pay them the most or close to it. Some states under pay PA, which is why I saw $60,000. I'm not a PA I'm leaning more towards Optometry School now. I waiting too late. I could go for MD but I would be 50 years old in 10 years. I wouldn't feel Important as a Black Man who is a PA. I see some patients demand to see a Dr only. They don't understand mid-level Practitioners yet. Great Video as Always Dr. Webb.
Pa streches 46,055 mi² also the liberty bell is there with some famouse cities like Philadelphia,Pittsburg and more. Maryland. Maryland may seem small but it is the home to the us president aka Donald J. Trump also has some famouse cities too Washigtion,Baltmoore and more. Winner PA!
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Thanks Dr. Webb. Hey both or cool MD or PA. The MD though I believe is that in heart ❤️ go getter. It's the last shot Jordan with the Championship rings. 💯👑.
Justin Price Hi, Thanks for the comment and watching! Yes, I agree. Both are very good fields! Don't forget to subscribe to my channel to receive the newest videos posted weekly! Dr. Webb www.antoniowebbmd.com facebook.com/awebbmd instagram.com/overcomingtheoddsbook
How can anyone put their trust in PAs with 2 years of medical education versus a medical doctor with 4 times the amount of education? Sure when it comes to treating the very basics such as a sore throat, a cold, or otitismedia, and other straight forward cases, a PA can probably suffice. I attended a PA school thinking it would be similar to medical school and I was so disappointed. MDs and PAs are not at the same level at all.
no one thinks they're the same level? plus, if a more complicated case comes up, PAs are trained to consult with their doctor if they're not completely sure about what they should do. it seems like a great job to me if you don't care about being the head honcho.
THANK U MY FRIEND! for a second I was questioning why choice of md for pa! but when u listed the pros of MD. I tunnel visioned on my goals and realized they can only be accomplished as an MD! I just saw ur video on military scholarship ! I am planning on getting the AF scholarship once I matriculate , but I was not aware of the cons u listed towards the end of the video ! I was also confused > could u clarify ? Thank u
There is some depending on the specialty and the hospital you are assigned to work. it is best not to have your heart on your sleeve because their are time in which the physician will just say something and blame it on the event that took place i.e. emergency.
tesla b Dude just get the fuck out of this chanel. We come here to get informed not discuss your stupid snowflake imaginary subjects. Stop making excuses, do the work and you can be just as him
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Thank you for this vid! I'm trying to decide between PA, MD, or NP. How is the work/life balance for internal medicine and family medicine? also, I'm interested in allergies & immunology & I was told that allergist don't have to take calls, but I thought all Doctor take calls? If possible could you clarify this?
thenightdances21 Hi, Thanks for the comment and watching! ANY job as a doctor that you take will depend on ALOT of variables and is not the same in every situation. You can work at one hospital as a family medicine doctor or internal medicine doctor and be on call every 3-4 days and work at another hospital and never take call. So, it varies by hospital setting, private practice vs academic, etc. and in general, allergists usually do not take call. Don't forget to subscribe to my channel to receive the newest videos posted weekly! Dr. Webb www.antoniowebbmd.com facebook.com/awebbmd instagram.com/overcomingtheoddsbook
Hi, I know you asked about work life balance! Check out this video and interview here with Dr. Adair, a Radiologist who works full time from home! th-cam.com/video/9LYsFyuQyBc/w-d-xo.html
I have a friend who wants to be a NP. She loves being a nurse. Could she be a MD, yes, but nursing is what she loves.Many times, this is who a patient deals with more so than the doctor. I think it depends on what you want to accomplish. Do simply want to treat a patient and move on? Do you want to build lasting relationships with patients over years? How about a schedule you’d like or years willing to commit to studying? As a resident you are waiting years to make 6 figures depending on your specialty. I think all positions are important to the health care system. MDs, PAs, NPs, sure techs, LPNS, CNAs etc. One person no matter the role can do it all. Another aspect I love about medicine. I want to be a trauma surgeon so being an MD is necessary to what I want to do. Pay is great but money can only make you so happy. It’s easier for me to conclude this because I am non traditional student who went into Accounting for money and realized that I hate it. I used to work at PwC and it was hell.
@@comoelitamelendez8467 Hello Comoelita, yes going into accounting was probably not a good choice, I did considered careers business related as well.Thankfully you realized your love for health and medicine. I realized it since very young that I liked health and medicine, coming from an immigrant family from Mexico, having a sister born before time in a car then taken to the hospital and realizing she has a rare syndrome,multiple health problems and almost had a leg amputated inspired me on this journey. I would like to other than helping people on the field, to one day have my story and my sister's extraodinary story known, all odds were against her but she made it through. I believe her story and my story as an immigrant bullied kid will inspire many.
I guess potential to make 100-200k and pay back student loans faster is a great option but I personally would rather make 400-600k, also I'm not sure a PA can do exactly what an orthopedic surgeon will do in the OR unless under direct supervision of an MD. The thought of someone practicing surgery independently without one is scary.
I followed an orthopedic surgeon for a day that worked with a pa, rn, and sugical techs. The doctor was lead, pa was first assist. All had their specific roles depending on where they were and what they had access to ie surgical tools etc. The pa held skin back, suctioned and closed after the dr sutured deep tissue. As far as Im aware theres never a pa without a doctor in surgery
Do you really work every second in that 105h work week? Cuz I've seen docs sit around a lot on the computer and go home before the nurses, this is internal medicine btw
Hello Dr. Webb: I was thinking about applying to podiatry school. In your opinion, is it a good field to go into? Great videos; I've learned so much from your channel!
Tabatha Davis Hi, Thanks for the comment and watching! Podiatry I think is a good field but you are limited to the foot and ankle but if you are ok with that, then I say go for it! Don't forget to subscribe to my channel to receive the newest videos posted weekly! Dr. Webb www.antoniowebbmd.com facebook.com/awebbmd instagram.com/overcomingtheoddsbook
Hi, you asked about Podiatry a while back. Check out my interview with Dr. Sarepta Issac, a Geriatric Podiatrist! -- th-cam.com/video/nqC0ee63pyw/w-d-xo.html
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Antonio J. Webb, M.D. Yo, Dr.Web those are some great book recommendations I've actually read all of those. I'm current in nursing school, I'm making videos documenting my journey. I'm looking to be a millionaire with in 10 years we will see how it goes! Haha hopefully I'll be making videos on my financial journey as well. I have one more question if you will humor me... What is your opinion on NPs working in surgery and what role can they play in your care team? Thanks again, love the channel I'm subbed :)
Hi, I work as an Orthopedic PA in California 200k. I have been a PA for ~10 yrs. Plastics and ED/Urgent Care pays well also. In fact, most specialties. Good luck
@@aisha-yk4gt Hi Aisha, i was a Licensed Physical Therapist Assistant. Prior to that , I had a BS in Kinesiology. Again, California especially at the medical facilities pay more. Good luck.
@@j.b8728 So is there additional schooling for specialty? Also what are your hours like for Orthopedic? 9 to 5? Or nights and weekends too? Also I hear Dermatology is good too. Thank you for your response!
@@JPE_DRAEB No problem. I use to work a typical 8 hour day; 8:00 am to 4:30 pm Now 12 pm to 1 am x 3 days a week. ( cover Orthopedic trauma/ Emergency room)
Dr. Webb I thought Residents/Fellows were maxed out at 80 hours a week? How were you allowed to work 105 hours? What are your thoughts on hour restrictions on Residents and Fellows... how many hours are appropriate and safe for Residents/Fellows to work/In House call?
The max out is an *Average* of 80 hours a week. You will work more sometimes and less sometimes but the average to “max out” will probably end up staying at or below 80
I wouldn't mind getting a few scripts from a PA but I would definitely not want to be seen by one for more serious matters. They are simply not equal to physicians. I think they are great for alleviating the stress physicians have to deal with. Less stress = better quality care for us patients. I work in medical billing, so I often see differences in care based on interventions that are being made, which reflects in billing. I can say this, physicians make more accurate, cost effective decisions than PA's based on costs alone, which translates into better outcomes. I don't know whether this has to do with the gap of knowledge or not but its worth noting.
I know this is a very old video but I am a entering college freshman and am trying to decide if i want to pursue pa school or dental school, any advice would be GREATLY appreciated!!!
No. Uncle Mike MD another youtuber nurse to MD was 40 years when he started. And a 80 year old did medical school too, but except he was too old for residency. As long as you are not 80 or 90. you are fine
Do you think with the rate of growing NPs that it will become harder to get a job as a PA? Are these two fields becoming over saturated in your opinion?
No, I dont think so. I think we need more midlevels. There is a shortage of physicians so I think in the future, the need for midlevels (NP/PA) will be even greater!
Your grades, always (at every point of the process). For example, if 7000 people who meet the prerequisites to apply, 200-250 will be chosen by the computer based on your grades alone (ie. those with the highest grades). These people will be called for an interview and 100-120 people will be selected for a second interview and if all goes well, they will get an acceptance letter for medical school.
I think people who are talented and intelligent should be doctors 🥼 for any reason. Do you want a doctor who knows what they are doing or a doctor who is passionate about their job while messing things around.
Some plastic surgeons in CA make 2 mil per year. But you also have to account that the cost for a house is much higher out there, along with other things
Usually CV surgery and derm are the top specalties for PA's in terms of pay off the top of my head. But it depends. PA's who work in rural ER can make $200k+
Hi! I'm taking the liberty of answering this. I hope Dr.Webb does not mind.🙄 Hospitalist ($120 to $170K depending on location), ER ($110 to$ 130K), Surgery ($120K to $ 170K) and Derm in an upper-scale clinic ($130K to $200K w/"exclusive" clientele💰📸 👄💄🕶👙👱🏽♀️🤳👠)! This is based on what I've made over the years and, what my colleagues tell me they've made. I hope it helps. I'm a hospitalist PA. I'm on Instagram o_Abdulmalik or email OAbdulMali@aol.com if you want some advice about the PA profession. Take care!😊👨🏾⚕️
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Peace be to you Dr.Webb! Thank for doing this video. I've been a PA for 20 years! It's a GREAT profession! I have really enjoyed the collaborative relationship I have had with my supervising physicians, over the years. I am so happy that the PA profession has grown in popularity! There still needs to be much more education about the training requirements, though. Thanks again! May the good Lord grant you continued success in your positive endeavors and, bless you and your beautiful family! Peace!😊👍🏾❤👨🏾🎓👨🏾⚕️👨🏾🏫
I’m a PA and I feel like this was a great video! The salary for the PA was a little bit low, but other than that it was a fair comparison.
Ali Marcus what would you say the average salary is ?
John Montgomery I don’t know a national average, but I have a page from the AAPA salary report right here. This shows an average hourly rate by state.
Arizona- 66/hr, California - 62/hr, Colorado-55/hr, Florida-65/hr, Georgia- 68/hr.
You can make up to 200k per year if your doing surgical. Something like dermatology like I want to be can be up to 150k+ with expierence.
@@brianyi2995
Agree, Orthopedic PA 200k in California
I want to work in anesthesiology surgery or emergency medicine.
(Pro PA post here) MDs have full autonomy but also full liability. PAs have almost full autonomy in all specialties expect any surgical specialties (Be a MD/DO if surgery is your thing). PA pay is a lot lower but their debt is 200% less on average and PAs are generally younger so investing in your youth is possible. Can work multiple specialties at once including at home telephone docs and at home radiology...
Thanks for making me confident in my choice.
Wow he said he worked 105 hours last week. There are only 168 hours in a week. 62.5% in the hospital.
How did you get the percentage?
@@aizengenesis3761 105 divided by 168
I works 90 hours as a GM in a restaurant , lol. Thats normal
Yeah. He definitely doesn’t get the recommended amount of sleep. This isn’t anything about him, but personally, I would not want to be operated on by someone who wasn’t well rested.
Amal Taher a lot of them aren’t really getting the appropriate amount of sleep if that’s possible, but I get you.
Thanks for this honest, non-bias, view. I’m struggling between these two right now.
Shelly B I’m a PA student and still struggling a bit, I don’t think that will ever end completely but I think PA is the best route for my personality and lifestyle preference. Good luck!
I would say the pay ranges is more like 70-150k with the average being around 100k
Sparksterfu he was talking about MD’s I think..
a friend of mine's father is an MD. He advises the PA route. The debt, amount of time in school, and time available w family. Course we need some MDs.
Nah B
Well we’re going through a shortage of physicians tho... and PA’s need to work under a physicians (MD) practice so that’s not good
Marsupio Wallace PAs already have independent license in Cali
@@lovefunkrockmusic I hope they do in Texas too soon
@@lovefunkrockmusic that shouldn’t happen
There’s a reason medical training takes so long
The healthcare community needs both PAs and MDs... decide based on your life's priorities. Whatever you choose do it for the right reason! Patients deserve caring, knowledgeable individuals in both capacities. #PA-S
PA are not Assistants to Doctors, PA’s are only truly assistants to doctors in the area of surgery....PA's practice alongside MD's, Depending on the State PA's no longer need MD's to sign off on anything, PA’s order and interpret labs and imaging studies (x-ray/CT/MRI etc.) just as any physician does, PA's can also open their own practice as long as a Physician is available by telephone in some States or on staff. PA's can also attend a residency though it is not required to practice. I do agree it is preference to be a PA or MD but there are a lot new grads choosing to go to PA school at a very high rate. The life of a PA is just more appealing to most than an MD. Even though MD's are in charge and make crazy amounts of money...PA's also have cheaper Malpractice than MD's. In my opinion PA's are lifelong Residents...just paid better
Angela Nwankwo yeah your right and guess who else can't open a cardiology practice... any doctor that is not a cardiologist ..... the same can be said for MD's they can really only practice in the scope of what they were taught during med school and residency. PA's can practice over a wide range of specialties and are not limited to just one... continuing there education learning and practicing different specialties long after the 2-3 years of PA school... there is no comparison here MDs are the boss. PAs are not... I'm just saying there are a lot more pro's to being a PA then what was let on in this video...
EMEKA TV This video is a little bias. I like that in the UK PA's are referred to as Physician Associates, leave the assistant for MA's.
EMEKA TV PA's can open their own practice? That's intriguing. I agree, the word "assistant" in this profession needs to be gone and replaced with something else.
PA's don't go to medical school that's the difference.
EMEKA TV
Yup that’s the same propaganda I bought into when I was debating PA vs MD. You know you’re really doing the world a big disservice trying to glorify the PA profession as such. It is very misleading and in reality most of the times the PA needs a doctor to be within the same area/vicinity because PAs work under the license of a doctor. Yeah your model works in theory but in reality it’s a whole different story. Yeah I’m sure there are some PAs who have opened up their own practice, but in the majority of cases this is not true at all. And then there are people on his very video trying to mislead viewers by saying PAs make 200k. Very few PAs make 200k a year and usually they have to complete a 1-2 year residency and usually they have 5-10+ years of experience before hitting that salary. I bought into the same propaganda bullshit that convinced me to go the PA route until I recently switched over to the MD route. Please anyone who is reading this comment don’t buy into the myths and lies these PA advocates are spouting. Go MD if you are young and want to master medicine and have a secured financial future. Not saying PAs don’t have their place in the world, they do and it can be an attractive specialty to people who are older and already in the healthcare profession, like paramedics, nurses, etc and don’t have 7+ years to dedicate to medical school. Don’t make the same mistake that I made that set me back 2 years before I switched over to MD route.
Dr. Webb, I always appreciate your honesty and thoughtful responses to questions. I would be honored to work for a doc like you one day when I’m done with PA school!
I wish you the best Mr.Temkin! I hope we meet at an AAPA conference someday, Lord willing!
@@OmarAbdulMalikDHEdMPASPACPAPro that would be great!
It’s pretty amazing how much PAs make. As a physician, monetarily it makes no sense to become a GP as the income is sadly similar.
I have a question, should I major in Pre-Nursing OR major in Pre-Physician Assistant Program and that also haves a Physician Assistant Program.
DevAnimate it also depends on your situation now , do you have any kids, do you live parents and etc . I’m a nursing student currently and after my experience i will either go the NP specializing in Pysch Or Family Or CRNA
DevAnimate it’s dependent on your training. I’m an md so I’m not fully aware of all the specialties but have been told that NP specialist do well financially. I specifically was told of the anesthesia NPs.
PA's Salary ranges from $100,000 to $200,000. Like Dr. Webb said, it all depends on the specialty and where in the country you work. Primary care usually make the least(90-120k) while other specialties like dermatology, emergency medicine and surgical specialties pay 150-200k.
Kaynen Brown Hey, what's up Mr.Brown!🤓
Kaynen Brown, BSN, RN podiatry too
May I ask where you are getting these numbers? bls.gov states the median salary at 105K and the scale roughly 73-120K (payscale.com) where as PCP make about 208K (bls.gov) and range is about 150-240K (payscale.com). Most medical specialties make salaries in the range of 200-700K with specialties like anesthesia making 350K, cardio at 400K, and neurosurgery at 650K. (Medscape). I doubt any dermatologist make 150K-200K as they make around 250K starting off and can expect up to 365K after 5 years. (workdaily.com)
I guess PA can make 200K if the specialize but I am uncertain of that. I don't mean to "BM" you or anything but just want to fact check your numbers :) .
THOSE R SUPER MISLEADING AND WRONG PAYS FOR A PA
LMAO at Derm making 200k. EM averages around 300-350k and Derm even more, and surgical subspecialties like ENT, Plastics, Ortho are ver well known for high compensation. Please cite actual sources and stats, instead of going along with a narrative that helps you with your inferiority complex
www.medscape.com/slideshow/2018-compensation-overview-6009667#4
compare the curriculum of a PA program to an MD/DO and you will have a very clear answer.
Which is?
Autonomy is the main thing for me. Still trying to figure out how to pay back all the loans in case my plan of fleeing the country and getting a new identity falls through.
Lol
Peace be to you Dr.Webb! I am a new subscriber. This was an EXCELLENT review and comparison of these two fine professions! Everyone should choose what profession fits their lifestyle and ultimate goals! I hope to purchase your book soon. Keep up the great work! God bless you! Peace! Omar "Dr.O the PA Pro" Abdul-Malik DHEd, MPAS, PA-C, CHES 🤓
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Thank you Dr. Webb for the info. I've been contemplating on should I go MD or PA. With this info I will continue on my journey to MD.
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Benihana Larry MD all the way
Proud PA student :) if anyone sees this and has questions you can comment and I can try to answer. I love answering questions about the profession. Good luck in whatever you decide.
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Lisa can I get you contact info
What kind? Like Instagram you can message me if you want. It’s @lisafellispas
what was your undergraduate degree, GPA, and services?
George Ramirez i graduated with a BS in psychology in 2013. I graduated with a 3.6 overall. I do not remember my science GPA. Had 2 Cs. History and bio 2. I had my CNA license after graduating high school. After graduated college I worked as a CNA in a nursing home for 1 year 3 months. Then transferred to the hospital as a PCT for 1 year 3 months. While I worked in the nursing home I got my EMT license and then got a job as an MA at a pediatric office and worked there for 2 years and 8 months.
Hello, I'm halfway through my nursing program and am planning on applying to PA school in the future. I was wondering if you knew if PA schools looked negatively at people from this background, since the two approaches are so different.
One of the most appealing things about PA is the lateral mobility. The thought of staying in a specific specialty for 20+ years isn’t very suiting for me. I like the idea that I, if I were a PA, could do many different specialties without going back to school for it. Work in Emergency, then maybe Oncology or whatever you want. So the two things that drew me toward PA is the mobility and the schooling.
Thats a good point! Thanks for sharing!
Cameron Andrews
Don’t buy into the same propaganda I bought into when I was debating PA vs MD route. Lateral mobility is not as good as you might think because you’re essentially starting over in terms of salary and learning base. Also lateral mobility is not exclusive to the PA profession. Doctors of different specialties can moonlight in the ER because there are not enough ER doctors in the world to cover the ER 24 hour shifts. That’s why you see so many family medicine doctors moonlighting in the emergency room and urgent care centers. Also another thing, there are fellowships as short as 1 year that will let you practice in different specialties. For example an emergency medicine doctor can practice critical care medicine upon completion of a 1 year fellowship program. That’s just one example. So lateral mobility shouldn’t be “the most appealing thing about PA profession” because doctors can do it too despite the myths out there that “doctors are stuck in their specialty after residency.” And if you don’t believe me just talk to doctors about moonlighting and fellowship programs. They’ll say the same thing I just said. They’re not “stuck in 1 speciality for the rest of their life.”
The only real reason you should pursue PA is if you’re in your 40s and don’t want to dedicate 7+ years to becoming a doctor. If you’re young why not pursue MD that will let you master your craft? PAs will never master medicine because their role is supplemental and an extension of the physician they work under. I’ve been in your shoes and thought of everything you’ve thought of like “PAs work less than doctors so PAs have a better lifestyle” or “PAs have better lateral mobility than doctors” or “PAs can make just as much as doctors.” Let me tell you something. Some of those which I quoted are myths are exaggerated truths. For example, to make 200k as a PA as some people in this comment section are saying, you have to pursue a 1-2 year residency and usually these people have 5-10+ years of experience before being able to reach 200k salary. Let me repeat myself. 200k salary as a PA is not the norm. It is a big outlier, but it can be attainable, but it will require a residency as well as long work hours. And these salaries are often in surgical specialties within the PA profession. So now let me ask you why would you pursue the PA route if you’re going to end up working long hours to attain that 200k salary which is easily attainable by family doctors that lowest competitive specialty in medicine? And with the inclusion of a 1-2 year residency the PA route takes even longer to finish. Why would you pursue this path when medical school is only a few years longer and the pay off is better? Doctors make 2-4 times as much as PAs for the same effort you would have invested into completing a PA program plus 1-2 year residency. It just doesn’t make sense financially which is why I decided to pursue MD route over PA.
And one more myth I’ll address. The myth that PA is a lifestyle profession and that PAs work fewer hours than MDs. Like I’ve said before if you are a PA in a surgical specialty you’re not going to be working less than your counterpart doctor. You’ll work the same hours as a doctor and get paid less. And actually if you’re in private practice the doctors work less than the physician assistants they hire. This is a fact and you can talk to some doctors if you don’t believe me. In private practice the doctors are the owners and they have the last say and can do whatever they want. You will rarely find a PA who is also a partner in private practice, which means they have no control over their work hours. The only way you will work less as a PA compared to your counterpart doctor is if you work a part time job in a specialty like psychiatry or family medicine, which by the way if you didn’t know doctors can also work part time. This is another myth that “doctors can’t work part time” but again it depends on the type of practice, whether or not you are partner, and depends on specialty. I can name you a specialty right now that will let you work lots of part time and that’s emergency medicine, which is primarily a shift based career. This is another fact.
So I can keep going, but I’ll end it here. I hope that debunks most of the myths out there and gave you more insight into PA vs MD. Don’t make the same mistake I made when I bought into all the propaganda and myths that deluded me into thinking that the PA profession is better than MD. This delusion set me back 2 years and now I’m in the process of trying to get into med school. Btw, I’m not bashing PAs. PA profession is a very attractive specialty to people who are older and don’t have the time to dedicate nearly a decade to doing medical school. There are lots of pros and cons and you’ll just have to weigh them yourself but don’t buy into all the myths and propaganda that I did when I was a young, naive freshman/sophomore.
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@@timothypaulino2529 I'm very confused because I wanted to become a aspiring neurosurgeon as a MD. But some people keep saying that doctors and surgeons with MDs and DOs have no lives, and that they have no time for there family. The autonomy and the depth of medical information means the world to me and I genuinely do want to take that path when it comes to helping patients. I want to diagnose them and be the main surgeon to physically work with the tools and the patient on the operating table, and not just suction or stitch them up as the only thing. I also do want to take on some challenging cases in my future and not just minor ones. However it's not about the title for me. people on the internet and yt have told me that being a pa gives you less burden on malpractice suites or being in debt, is that true? Will I have time for family?
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First of all let me default of this by saying that I wasn’t belittling PAs. Not too long ago I wanted to go to PA school myself and thought very highly of the PAs I shadowed, even so now. The point of my comments is to try to be as objective as possible when comparing the two professions. Never did I make any references to inadequate or subpar training when comparing doctors to PAs. I was objective as possible when talking about salary, scope of practice, education level, etc.
The thing about lateral mobility to put it simply is that retention and skillset in any specialty generally diminishes over time if you don’t use it daily. That’s what I meant by “starting over.” Not to mention you’ll be “starting over” in terms of salary too. I don’t see why you would be able to command the same salary jumping from specialty to specialty. Different specialties have different protocols, different procedures, different training. You can’t retain all of that naturally. You also can’t master every single specialty out there, which is why PAs are often seen as the “jack of all trades, master of none.” If you switch to dermatology and haven’t done a chest intubation in over 10 years you honestly think your recollection of that procedure and all that it entails will remain fresh? You’re starting over when you switch to another specialty, simple as that. And your salary will drop too. I’m sure I don’t have to explain why less experience and skillset leads to less revenue and income.
Secondly, this is just based on my own research and talking to multiple PAs when I was a pre-PA student, but generally the consensus is that a residency is equal to 5-8 years of working full time. There’s only so much you can learn efficiently on the day to day. That’s why there are residency programs out there that teach you in a structured manner. It’s not the same environment. I don’t care how long you been working. A residency that requires you to log a certain number of procedures every month and display competency in those areas will always reign supreme over whatever on-the-job training you’ve picked up over the years. And if you want to go to the physician assistant forum and talk to EMEDPA, one of the best pre-PA advisors since the dawn of the profession, he’ll gladly educate you. In fact I followed his advice for quite a while when I was a pre-PA student, so I’m not just some random pre-med student talking down to PAs as you seem to think I’m doing. Moreover, there has been talk that they might start implementing residency requirements for PAs so your “lateral mobility” might eventually become a thing of the past.
Thirdly, you cannot deny that the PA profession has become very popular in the last decade, so much so that it has become the backup plan for people wanting a med school alternative. In fact a simple google search shows how people seem to think that the PA profession is better than MDs because and I’ll paraphrase “less debt, less time commitment, less malpractice.” All I’m hearing is less, less, less. If PAs want to be treated as equals why, and excuse my language, why the fuck does everyone keep looking for the easy way out? If PAs want to be paid as much as a doctor then why don’t they prove it by completing the same god damn licensing requirements? Doctors go through so much bullshit to get to where they are. If PAs want to reap the same benefits then they have to strive for more, not less.
By the way I’m curious if you were competitive for both PA and med school, which I’m not sure how you would gauge your competitiveness unless you also took the MCAT, or are you simply basing it off your GPA? But anyways if you were competitive for both why choose PA over MD?
If anything, my transition from pre-pa to pre-med has made me a more complete individual. In the past few years I’ve strived to become the best version of myself. I’ve proven that I can handle upper division courses such as medical biochemistry, histology, molecular genetics, stem cell biology, genomics, bioinformatics, instrumental analysis, neurophysiology. I would have never taken these courses as a pre-pa student.
I’m not even going to get into all of the other stuff like how PAs have no training in medical research and by medical research I’m talking about real wet-lab research or translational research such as those funded by the NIH. And PAs are limited in terms of business opportunities. Almost every single private practice I’ve seen in my life is owned by a doctor, unless you want to chime in on some outrageous outlier anecdotal story. And then there’s international medicine, which is another avenue where PAs are limited. Won’t get into that one either. Last, but not least there’s academics. Obviously academic medicine is a big area for MD/PHDs. Pretty sure PAs are limited there too.
So I’m not seeing the point of going to PA school if you’re 22 years old. The only thing I’ve heard repeatedly is “less time commitment, ability to make six figures faster, less workload, no on-call responsibilities” oh man don’t even fucking get me started on that one. Let me just say if you can’t handle on-call shifts then don’t try to pretend to be a doctor when it’s convenient for your ego and then say nah I’m not a doctor when shit hits the floor and a patient is going into cardiac arrest (not talking about you by the way just those individuals who exhibit this characteristic, some of whom I’ve observed in real life).
But I’m curious go ahead and enlighten me as to what other reason there would be for someone to choose PA over MD if they are young? I’m sure you’ll come up with a good one like some holistic philosophy or something like that, just like how nurses try to differentiate themselves from doctors by trying to paint doctors as emotionless, apathetic individuals. As if holistic care is exclusive to the nursing field am I right? I’ve pretty much heard it all at this point.
Rant over
I’m nervous that by taking the MD route I’ll get burnt out from all the hours they work
Also when you pick a speciality. That's it
I mean if you genuinely want to heal people, you would survive in Med school. If you want to be a PA and more concern about salary, life style, family you would choose that route.
Im not mark PAs treat people too and save lives too. It comes down to do you want full responsibility of a MD or do you want to spread liability.
It just depends on the specialty honestly. If you are in the ER. You clock in AND out like everyone else. Same as a hospitalist. And a lot of specialist rotate who is in call. I think residency is intense. But I think it's not too bad afterwards. I'd be an md over a PA. Because I heard PA school is actually more intense. AND a lot only make 100k. I can make that as a nurse now. If you are already working. I'd just take your time. AND shoot for DO/MD.
Also , one more thing. If a nurse calls a dr late at night. (past 9) And its not an emergency. They will get yelled at. If not worse. So i don't think being on call. Is as bad. At least at my hospital. I'm sure some are worse. We have an np that works late for the boring orders.
You mentioned that medical school is around 150k. I'm finding a lot of PA schools that are just as expensive. I've seen some higher.
Money isn't everything, it's the only thing
Potato Chips True. Still, It matters.
what to do with money if you barely have free time as a doctor?
Vega Light you will eventually retire dummy
Key Brown Most doctors retire around 60-70. Money definitely matters, but working unhappily your whole life just to be able to retire at an older age where you and your body can't enjoy life as much as you could have when you were younger, is no way to live life imo.
Thats my internal fight too (I'm thinking to do surgery or EM)...as a surgeon you earn more, but is it worth earning more if you don't have the time to enjoy spending that money.
I would say the PA pay range is $60,000 - $131,000. Dermatology seems to pay them the most or close to it. Some states under pay PA, which is why I saw $60,000. I'm not a PA I'm leaning more towards Optometry School now. I waiting too late. I could go for MD but I would be 50 years old in 10 years. I wouldn't feel Important as a Black Man who is a PA. I see some patients demand to see a Dr only. They don't understand mid-level Practitioners yet. Great Video as Always Dr. Webb.
Thanks Dr. Webb_ my daughter needed the facts and insight to becoming a physician.
No prob! Good luck to her!
Pa streches 46,055 mi² also the liberty bell is there with some famouse cities like Philadelphia,Pittsburg and more.
Maryland. Maryland may seem small but it is the home to the us president aka Donald J. Trump also has some famouse cities too Washigtion,Baltmoore and more.
Winner PA!
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thank you for this video I am going through the process of choosing between these two right now
Awesome! Good luck!
I wish you all the best Dr. Webb
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There should be a bridge from PA to MD. I feel like in the future there will be.
There very well may be
Yeah, for med students who do not match anywhere
There are "Bridge programs " some of my classmates attended such programs
@@j.b8728 sorry may I ask which programs they are? I would like to research more about them ...thanks :)
@@g.e7974 i believe one of them went out of the country-- Caribbean. Another in the Michigan area near the Great Lakes area. Good luck
This was a amazing video, thanks for the great advice as well 👍🏼 :)
Thanks Dr. Webb. Hey both or cool MD or PA. The MD though I believe is that in heart ❤️ go getter. It's the last shot Jordan with the Championship rings. 💯👑.
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The intro to your videos is so coolllll
thanks for the video! It really helped me out. God bless you
How can anyone put their trust in PAs with 2 years of medical education versus a medical doctor with 4 times the amount of education? Sure when it comes to treating the very basics such as a sore throat, a cold, or otitismedia, and other straight forward cases, a PA can probably suffice. I attended a PA school thinking it would be similar to medical school and I was so disappointed. MDs and PAs are not at the same level at all.
I dont believe no one is saying PA'S are the same as MD's. Sorry you didn't do enough research before going to PA as school
no one thinks they're the same level? plus, if a more complicated case comes up, PAs are trained to consult with their doctor if they're not completely sure about what they should do. it seems like a great job to me if you don't care about being the head honcho.
Some one mad👀
Finally objectivity! Awesome!
THANK U MY FRIEND! for a second I was questioning why choice of md for pa! but when u listed the pros of MD. I tunnel visioned on my goals and realized they can only be accomplished as an MD! I just saw ur video on military scholarship ! I am planning on getting the AF scholarship once I matriculate , but I was not aware of the cons u listed towards the end of the video ! I was also confused > could u clarify ? Thank u
can you talk about racism in the medical field please?
There is some depending on the specialty and the hospital you are assigned to work. it is best not to have your heart on your sleeve because their are time in which the physician will just say something and blame it on the event that took place i.e. emergency.
Racism is everywhere. Nothing in this country has not been touched by racism. Sad but true
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Thank you for this vid! I'm trying to decide between PA, MD, or NP. How is the work/life balance for internal medicine and family medicine? also, I'm interested in allergies & immunology & I was told that allergist don't have to take calls, but I thought all Doctor take calls? If possible could you clarify this?
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Thanks for the comment and watching! ANY job as a doctor that you take will depend on ALOT of variables and is not the same in every situation. You can work at one hospital as a family medicine doctor or internal medicine doctor and be on call every 3-4 days and work at another hospital and never take call. So, it varies by hospital setting, private practice vs academic, etc. and in general, allergists usually do not take call.
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I have a friend who wants to be a NP. She loves being a nurse. Could she be a MD, yes, but nursing is what she loves.Many times, this is who a patient deals with more so than the doctor. I think it depends on what you want to accomplish. Do simply want to treat a patient and move on? Do you want to build lasting relationships with patients over years? How about a schedule you’d like or years willing to commit to studying? As a resident you are waiting years to make 6 figures depending on your specialty.
I think all positions are important to the health care system. MDs, PAs, NPs, sure techs, LPNS, CNAs etc. One person no matter the role can do it all. Another aspect I love about medicine.
I want to be a trauma surgeon so being an MD is necessary to what I want to do. Pay is great but money can only make you so happy. It’s easier for me to conclude this because I am non traditional student who went into Accounting for money and realized that I hate it. I used to work at PwC and it was hell.
I'm in the same boat
@@comoelitamelendez8467 Hello Comoelita, yes going into accounting was probably not a good choice, I did considered careers business related as well.Thankfully you realized your love for health and medicine. I realized it since very young that I liked health and medicine, coming from an immigrant family from Mexico, having a sister born before time in a car then taken to the hospital and realizing she has a rare syndrome,multiple health problems and almost had a leg amputated inspired me on this journey. I would like to other than helping people on the field, to one day have my story and my sister's extraodinary story known, all odds were against her but she made it through. I believe her story and my story as an immigrant bullied kid will inspire many.
If you like to do thing just like a MD everyday. Mind as well go the MD route.
105 hrs. Holy....
Yup! Alot of hours. Not every rotation is like this but when it gets busy, it can get busy!
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What is the breakdown of how you spend your hours? Surgery, call, paperwork, patient-facing etc
Respect
I guess potential to make 100-200k and pay back student loans faster is a great option but I personally would rather make 400-600k, also I'm not sure a PA can do exactly what an orthopedic surgeon will do in the OR unless under direct supervision of an MD. The thought of someone practicing surgery independently without one is scary.
AnKH PAs don't perform surgery without a doctor 😒 did you even listen to the video
Eqra Kazi that was a thought Thank you very much.
I followed an orthopedic surgeon for a day that worked with a pa, rn, and sugical techs. The doctor was lead, pa was first assist. All had their specific roles depending on where they were and what they had access to ie surgical tools etc. The pa held skin back, suctioned and closed after the dr sutured deep tissue. As far as Im aware theres never a pa without a doctor in surgery
PA will max out at first assist. Always. I became a physician so I can call the shots.
great content sir
Do you really work every second in that 105h work week? Cuz I've seen docs sit around a lot on the computer and go home before the nurses, this is internal medicine btw
no
isn't he an orthopedic surgeon? I saw one of his 30 hours shift, it looks crazy.
Dcotors have a lot of paperwork on top of helping patients. you'll always hear doctors say they're behind bc of the paperwork usually.
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I was thinking about applying to podiatry school. In your opinion, is it a good field to go into? Great videos; I've learned so much from your channel!
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Thanks for the comment and watching! Podiatry I think is a good field but you are limited to the foot and ankle but if you are ok with that, then I say go for it!
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Hey there Dr.Web have you read the book The millionaire next door by Thomas J. Stanley?
Healthy, Wealthy and Stealthy
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Thanks for the comment and watching! Yes, that is one of my favorite books! Check out rich dad poor dad, 40 laws of power, Teacher Millionaire which are also other good books!
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Antonio J. Webb, M.D. Yo, Dr.Web those are some great book recommendations I've actually read all of those. I'm current in nursing school, I'm making videos documenting my journey. I'm looking to be a millionaire with in 10 years we will see how it goes! Haha hopefully I'll be making videos on my financial journey as well.
I have one more question if you will humor me...
What is your opinion on NPs working in surgery and what role can they play in your care team?
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what specialty in PA has the highest pay and lifestyle (regular hours)?
Hi, I work as an Orthopedic PA in California 200k. I have been a PA for ~10 yrs.
Plastics and ED/Urgent Care pays well also. In fact, most specialties.
Good luck
J.B hi! I was wondering what you majored in university to get into PA school
Thank you
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Hi Aisha, i was a Licensed Physical Therapist Assistant. Prior to that , I had a BS in Kinesiology.
Again, California especially at the medical facilities pay more. Good luck.
@@j.b8728 So is there additional schooling for specialty? Also what are your hours like for Orthopedic? 9 to 5? Or nights and weekends too? Also I hear Dermatology is good too. Thank you for your response!
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No problem.
I use to work a typical 8 hour day; 8:00 am to 4:30 pm
Now 12 pm to 1 am x 3 days a week. ( cover Orthopedic trauma/ Emergency room)
Dr. Webb I thought Residents/Fellows were maxed out at 80 hours a week? How were you allowed to work 105 hours? What are your thoughts on hour restrictions on Residents and Fellows... how many hours are appropriate and safe for Residents/Fellows to work/In House call?
The max out is an *Average* of 80 hours a week. You will work more sometimes and less sometimes but the average to “max out” will probably end up staying at or below 80
I wouldn't mind getting a few scripts from a PA but I would definitely not want to be seen by one for more serious matters. They are simply not equal to physicians. I think they are great for alleviating the stress physicians have to deal with. Less stress = better quality care for us patients. I work in medical billing, so I often see differences in care based on interventions that are being made, which reflects in billing. I can say this, physicians make more accurate, cost effective decisions than PA's based on costs alone, which translates into better outcomes. I don't know whether this has to do with the gap of knowledge or not but its worth noting.
Does some PA programs/schools pay you to attend? Like some residence programs?
No, generally you end up paying tuition
What is your stance on nurse practitioners?
Any thoughts on MD vs NP?
I know this is a very old video but I am a entering college freshman and am trying to decide if i want to pursue pa school or dental school, any advice would be GREATLY appreciated!!!
Omg, I’m debating between the two careers as well, but I’m a senior in high school going to college. Which school or career did you end up choosing?
I completed my PA in india. What should I do to practice as PA in USA.
Look at a school you are interested in and see what requirements they have for international students 😊
Who is a physician
How much we get in houston? I wonder
You add 4 years of undergrad for md but not pa? Hmm
ShogunG he said that it’s four years of ugrad for both.
Would a student that gets in their late 70s early 80s as their marks go into medical school
Hey
Ferrari Vs Toyota Corolla, which is bette?
Which car is that
So which specialty makes the most for the PA ?
Surgical speciality. Orthopedic PA, Plastics, Cardio-thoracic
Is it to late if you are like 28 or 30 years old? For PA or MD
Teresa Rice no ma’am it is never tooo late
No. Uncle Mike MD another youtuber nurse to MD was 40 years when he started. And a 80 year old did medical school too, but except he was too old for residency. As long as you are not 80 or 90. you are fine
At least not for PA
For a PA it isn’t late.
Do you think with the rate of growing NPs that it will become harder to get a job as a PA? Are these two fields becoming over saturated in your opinion?
No, I dont think so. I think we need more midlevels. There is a shortage of physicians so I think in the future, the need for midlevels (NP/PA) will be even greater!
Lol the amount of burnout every provider have at the hospital...we need more the better atm.
Dr. Webb,
Quick question: what is the single most important component on a medical school application (if you had to choose one)?
Thank you.
Your grades, always (at every point of the process). For example, if 7000 people who meet the prerequisites to apply, 200-250 will be chosen by the computer based on your grades alone (ie. those with the highest grades). These people will be called for an interview and 100-120 people will be selected for a second interview and if all goes well, they will get an acceptance letter for medical school.
I think people who are talented and intelligent should be doctors 🥼 for any reason. Do you want a doctor who knows what they are doing or a doctor who is passionate about their job while messing things around.
What?
Why would I ask an Ortho about this look at the other videos from pas
Can PA"s deliver babies independently?
take a shot every time he says "uh, um"
NP !
which doctor makes million is that even possible lol
Yes, some doctors make that much and even more
Some plastic surgeons in CA make 2 mil per year. But you also have to account that the cost for a house is much higher out there, along with other things
Thanks for this video!
So which specialty makes the most for the PA ?
Usually CV surgery and derm are the top specalties for PA's in terms of pay off the top of my head. But it depends. PA's who work in rural ER can make $200k+
So which specialty makes the most for the PA ?
Hi! I'm taking the liberty of answering this. I hope Dr.Webb does not mind.🙄 Hospitalist ($120 to $170K depending on location), ER ($110 to$ 130K), Surgery ($120K to $ 170K) and Derm in an upper-scale clinic ($130K to $200K w/"exclusive" clientele💰📸 👄💄🕶👙👱🏽♀️🤳👠)! This is based on what I've made over the years and, what my colleagues tell me they've made. I hope it helps. I'm a hospitalist PA. I'm on Instagram o_Abdulmalik or email OAbdulMali@aol.com if you want some advice about the PA profession. Take care!😊👨🏾⚕️
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