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Great video! Just want to supplement it with some of my experiences as a PA student. In terms of patient care experience most of my classmates worked as a medical assistant, medical scribe, EMT or physical therapy assistant or aid. Being a registered nurse before PA school is actually uncommon because the majority will go the Nurse Practioner route if they want the medical provider role. :)
i am still stuck between being pre-pa and pre-med. I want to eventually have a family and I want to have a good life outside of medicine too so i would lean towards pa. but i also love being a leader and delegating assignments and being a decision maker which makes me want to become a doctor. oh man, guess i have to shadow and see what i am fit for.
As a PA, I am having huge regrets not going for med school to become a doctor. Work life balance is pretty much the same except for some specialities such interventional cardio, trauma, neuro may be
Had a very hard time deciding between MD and PA in college. I had all prereqs for both taken, got As in all of them but still found trouble in my decision. The biggest factor that made me choose PA is the lifestyle!
@@CharisTv0119 just go towards whatever you always aimed towards going. I went into medical school. honestly its worth it. If you want a great lifestyle. There are plenty of speciaties which have great life styles. FM, Radiology, Pschy, Derm and many more.
@@CharisTv0119 I worked with many amazing PAs and NPs that were amazing clinicians and almost all of them told me they wished they would have pursued the MD/DO route because they noted knowledge gaps between physicians and midlevels. I was in the same position and decided to go the physician route because I do not want any regret like those guys have.
@@gilbert3922 are you not in the US? If not you would need to get your schooling looked at by something here (I’m not sure but you can google international PA students there’s a website by the PA life. Based on that you’ll have to see what other classes you would need to take (most likely at an American institution). Then you will need to get direct patient care hours, shadowing hours, letter of recommendations, volunteering and apply to PA school. Then PA school is 2-3 years and then you sit for your board exam. And then you can be a PA.
Currently i’m a junior in high school, and my gpa is only a 3.5. I’m in a vocational school that’ll give me the clinical hours I need. I get certified as a home health aide, and a CNA. Both junior and senior year I get clinical hours and college credits. Now I really want to work in pediatrics, but I’m not sure if I want to be an ER pediatric nurse, or a pediatric travel nurse. It was my dream to be a pediatric doctor, but I don’t think I am qualified enough. I also have heard that nurses get more patient time. I’ve never taken an AP class, or an honors class, and I don’t plan on taking the SATs. I also have an IEP. (Diagnosed with adhd, and dyslexia. I also struggled with depression, and anxiety.) What do I do? How can I make it so i can become a pediatrician? Or would it be bettwe to become a PA?
To preface this: I’m not in the medical field and when myself and anyone I mention in this applied to college, SATs/ACTs were required for college. You are most definitely ahead in that you know what you want and are taking steps to do it. Both my brother and I had 504s. My brother did not take APs/honors but I did. When it came to college, I got into every school I applied to and had a similar vocational degree than what you’re going for. My brother got into one mediocre school. Fast forward through college and I realized I did not want to go the medical path. I went down the chemistry path and went to grad school for a PhD in chemistry, work in the environmental field now. My brother did amazing in undergrad and connected with professors. He got into a top 5 program for international affairs and is currently a consultant in that field. Moral here is: relax!! You haven’t gone through college yet. You have SO MUCH time. College is generally where you set yourself up for graduate programs and see what you like or don’t. I enjoyed bare bones chemistry more and went that way. I did not expect that. College gives you an opportunity to “erase” any wrong turns you made in high school. No one looked down on me for needing accommodations. I’m still in touch with some professors from grad school and undergrad. I don’t even think my high school teachers remember me. Even if you change your mind in college, you still have the rest of your life. One of my coworkers decided to go to medical school now in her 30s. Has a masters in molecular biology because in her 20s, that’s what she liked best.
Hi I'm currently studying Level 1 Health and Social Care and have plans to pursue T Level 3 in the same field. Eventually, I aspire to become a GP doctor. Would you kindly advise if it's necessary to become a nurse first or if there are alternative paths I should consider? Your guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Don’t overthink it. You got this. I’d start off simple. Finish high school, check out community college and see if there’s a health science degree or maybe premed. Do your best there and maybe you’ll have a better idea of what you want to do.
Your acceptance rate data is very far off. If you take the total number of accepted students per year and divide it by the total number of applicants PA has a lower acceptance rate than medical schools. I’m applying to 10 schools this year and the highest acceptance rate of any of them is 4.5%. Most schools range from 3-8% acceptance rate.
To become a PA in the US you would have to first get your transcripts looked over and see what will count here. Most likely will need to retake classes at an American institution. Then you need to be accepted to PA school and do 2-3 years of PA school before sitting for our board exam. And then you can practice. If you want to be a doctor in the US you might as well just take the USMLE and go from there. It would be a waste of time to try to become a PA and then go the MD or DO route.
I would choose a MD or NP any given time. I had some terrible experiences with PAs. Be honest, some people want to do MD ‘s job, but can’t pass the premed courses. So, PA is alternate route.
I'm sure you'll find bad (fill in the blanks) where ever you look. I've seen some great PAs, NPs, MDs, DOs and below average ones as well. And it's too general to assume that PAs, etc are just individuals who didn't get into med school. The career style may have fit better with someone. Being a PA/NP have an easier time changing specialties compared to a doctor who is committed to whatever they went into residency for.
MD is better, hands down. I've been around some cool PAs,s but I've met some terrible complaining PAs. Some PAs would complain about not getting enough money but claimed they wanted to avoid going the MD route due to too much training. While complaining, they have a brand new Telsa outside and off work. That flexibility is like Gumbi, and you're still complaining. You can also see some, not all complaining about their MD not doing as much work as they do. They want the MDs' authority rather than the MDs' responsibilities. Just my observation.
I don't mean to discredit your experiences in any way, just be careful to avoid making hasty generalizations about an entire profession of people. You speak of bad apples.
How DARE you write that about PAs!😡 Sadly, you're correct !😓 I've been a DC-based PA for over 20 years. I've worked as/in hospitalist, employee health, community health, research coordinator, professor, and in private practice. I really like the flexibility. And, only owe about $50K in student loans (includes my doctorate). PAs who complain about what MD/DOs have over us, should SERIOUSLY consider applying to MD/DO school. I know PAs that have done this. 🙂👋🏽👨🏽⚕️
Yeah I've had family members go through PA school know it's competitive but there are some schools with lower reputations or less desirable locations that have higher average
Just to clarify, most nurses will not become PA's and it is a horrible idea to become a nurse then apply to PA school. PA schools do NOT want nurses, they would tell you to just become an NP. Additionally, I doubt a CRNA has ever applied to PA school. CRNA's make 225-250k a year and the training is just as long as PA school if not longer. The highest paid PA's would be lucky to see more than 150-175k a year
Your are very wrong. PA school was made for people with a great amount of healthcare experience such as nurses, techs, etc. I am planning to go to PA school with a BSN. Nursing will make a PA the best provider out there. Also with PA schools becoming competitive they want to see diversity. Nursing will definitely open the eyes is schools.
@@kolefrancom2925 Your not wrong, but a very common interview question nowadays is "why PA and not nurse practitioner?" If you have an extremely good answer for that, then that's good. If you're interested in surgery, that's probably another viable reason to go from nursing to PA. But overall, its a rather unusual choice. I've been told by PAs on committees that it's not something they like to see. Healthcare hours and experience are great for schools that place extra emphasis on it. There are many schools that put more emphasis on GPA, or volunteer hours, or community involvement. Look up the school stats for program that admit students and the collective bachelors degree's that the cohorts possess. You will see very rarely one or two students with a BSN.
@@RubberDucky371PA programs would love nurses. It’s that most nurses go to NP school because it’s easier to get into, easier overall, and NP students can work full time while they are in school where you can’t as a PA.
What are you talking about. PA schools do not hate nurses and there have been nurses who become PAs. Nursing is even considered a high level patient contact for hours needed to apply to school.
As someone who got into PA this isn’t correct information. Nurses are welcomed to apply to PA school. I am an LPN and know many RNs who made the transition to PA. Also, PAs can make more than the number listed, it just depends on the speciality, need, and years of experience. Sometimes PAs are the only provider run the facility.
@@sanbetski i mean if you take pride in being grammatically incorrect and ignorant go off. If you gonna correct someone ACTUALLY make sure you have the right information
I appreciate you posting this as showing you accept us which is great as sadly a lot of physicians don’t. We did not become PAs because we wanted to be doctors. I wanted to be a PA. I love the flexibility as you mentioned. I worked in family medicine for 2 years and now I moved states and I’m looking for a job in general surgery or hospital medicine. There are two exams PA programs usually either require which is the GRE or the newer PACAT. The acceptance rate are also I have heard about 30% overall, but one program I was accepted to, it was a 1% acceptance rate. 20 spots for 2000 applicants. I would say individually each program acceptance rate is about 1-5%. I took me 5 years to get into a program. I had 3.6 GPA, 10k direct patient hours. Shadowing and volunteering each between 50-100 about if I remember. If anyone has any questions you can reply to this or DM me on instagram @lisafellispac. I love helping pre-PA students :)
This is just disheartening to hear. I'm aiming for PA school myself. My bachelors will be in respiratory therapy, and I will have a similar if not slightly higher number of direct patient care hours as a PCT and RRT by the time I apply. My GPA is currently a 3.5, and I have hours shadowing both PAs and MDs. Hearing it took you five years to get in just kills me. To top it off, I'm 33 and still don't have my bachelors. The future APRT position is looking more appealing the more I think about it. Assuming that even becomes a thing sooner rather than later.
@@MidoriOku114 my tips. Make sure you have a LOR from a PA. Inthink that’s something that held me back. Make sure you do work as a RT I think that will be amazing direct patient care. I wouldn’t worry about your GPA. One of the biggest things is to apply early! Capsa opens in April every year. If the programs are rolling admissions get them in asap. Have the contact info including emails to those people who you want to write your LORs and tell them that in April they will be getting an email to do their letter. Also start writing your personal statement early and have others read it and revise it. Good luck! I’m 32 now. Started PA school at 26, graduated at 29. But it’s never too late to go to PA school.
@@MHSMagicLuver I second this. I had a 3.8-9 GPA but couldn't get in the first time. The next year I shadowed a PA and got an LOR from him and suddenly many schools wanted to interview me and I got multiple acceptances. I did apply much earlier that second time.
I want to do anethesia so bad but unfortunatly there isnt a singgle anethesiologiest assistant in texas so i think i want to be an anethesiologiest. Looking for shadowing opportunities but im nit having anyluck 🥲
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Hey, friends! Hope you enjoyed today's video about "MD vs PA (Which Is Better?)". Take advantage of all my favorite med school tips and tricks in this free guide here! (themdjourney.com/med-school-success-handbook/) Good luck on your journey! 💪
This is the most unbiased video I’ve seen on this topic. All of the information was objective and factual. Super solid video.
Great video! Just want to supplement it with some of my experiences as a PA student.
In terms of patient care experience most of my classmates worked as a medical assistant, medical scribe, EMT or physical therapy assistant or aid. Being a registered nurse before PA school is actually uncommon because the majority will go the Nurse Practioner route if they want the medical provider role. :)
Great 👍 from which pa school are you graduating?
i am still stuck between being pre-pa and pre-med. I want to eventually have a family and I want to have a good life outside of medicine too so i would lean towards pa. but i also love being a leader and delegating assignments and being a decision maker which makes me want to become a doctor. oh man, guess i have to shadow and see what i am fit for.
Literally. Work-life balance is important but it’s stressful thinking you might regrets not going all the way to MD…
@@sirsucciiiliterally took the words out of my mouth
As a PA,
I am having huge regrets not going for med school to become a doctor. Work life balance is pretty much the same except for some specialities such interventional cardio, trauma, neuro may be
I thought PAs don't have call and have normal work hours, unlike MDs?
*Correction* PAs can serve as first assist in surgery
I'd like to do either one, but alas I'm very stupid.
Don’t say that Doctor Mike.
What are your thoughts on MD/DO vs. PA in terms of work life balance and raising a family?
Had a very hard time deciding between MD and PA in college. I had all prereqs for both taken, got As in all of them but still found trouble in my decision. The biggest factor that made me choose PA is the lifestyle!
What's it like? What specialty are you in?
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Did you regret choosing PA, am in the same situation.
Am taking both prerequisite, just can't decide which route.
@@CharisTv0119 just go towards whatever you always aimed towards going. I went into medical school. honestly its worth it. If you want a great lifestyle. There are plenty of speciaties which have great life styles. FM, Radiology, Pschy, Derm and many more.
@@CharisTv0119 I worked with many amazing PAs and NPs that were amazing clinicians and almost all of them told me they wished they would have pursued the MD/DO route because they noted knowledge gaps between physicians and midlevels. I was in the same position and decided to go the physician route because I do not want any regret like those guys have.
I was accepted to MD programs already, so my decision is made this year lol
Honestly, PAs need a better honorarium. Ppl think they are nurses etc. Get a new term babies.
Modern nurse
For PA, it is 2.5 years, not 2.5 months.
i mean that is obviously a typo. who the heck is going to believe that any program that is health related is 2.5 months long? logic man, logic.
Are you comparing rates of acceptance for only medical schools in the US?
Can i do MD after PA its possible or not
you can do it, but you'd be wasting unecessary time, especially if you already know that you want to do MD
Yes you can. There is a bridge program at LECOM
The only information that is not quite accurate is the entrance exam. More than half of PA schools DO NOT REQUIRE an entrance exam.
What are the conditions for Physician assistant to work in the United States?
What exactly do you mean? I’m a PA
@@MHSMagicLuver I want to work in the United States, but I don't know what are the requirements to work
@@gilbert3922 are you not in the US? If not you would need to get your schooling looked at by something here (I’m not sure but you can google international PA students there’s a website by the PA life. Based on that you’ll have to see what other classes you would need to take (most likely at an American institution). Then you will need to get direct patient care hours, shadowing hours, letter of recommendations, volunteering and apply to PA school. Then PA school is 2-3 years and then you sit for your board exam. And then you can be a PA.
This was a great comparison video!
Glad you liked it!
Currently i’m a junior in high school, and my gpa is only a 3.5. I’m in a vocational school that’ll give me the clinical hours I need. I get certified as a home health aide, and a CNA. Both junior and senior year I get clinical hours and college credits. Now I really want to work in pediatrics, but I’m not sure if I want to be an ER pediatric nurse, or a pediatric travel nurse. It was my dream to be a pediatric doctor, but I don’t think I am qualified enough. I also have heard that nurses get more patient time. I’ve never taken an AP class, or an honors class, and I don’t plan on taking the SATs. I also have an IEP. (Diagnosed with adhd, and dyslexia. I also struggled with depression, and anxiety.) What do I do? How can I make it so i can become a pediatrician? Or would it be bettwe to become a PA?
To preface this: I’m not in the medical field and when myself and anyone I mention in this applied to college, SATs/ACTs were required for college.
You are most definitely ahead in that you know what you want and are taking steps to do it. Both my brother and I had 504s. My brother did not take APs/honors but I did. When it came to college, I got into every school I applied to and had a similar vocational degree than what you’re going for. My brother got into one mediocre school.
Fast forward through college and I realized I did not want to go the medical path. I went down the chemistry path and went to grad school for a PhD in chemistry, work in the environmental field now. My brother did amazing in undergrad and connected with professors. He got into a top 5 program for international affairs and is currently a consultant in that field.
Moral here is: relax!! You haven’t gone through college yet. You have SO MUCH time. College is generally where you set yourself up for graduate programs and see what you like or don’t. I enjoyed bare bones chemistry more and went that way. I did not expect that. College gives you an opportunity to “erase” any wrong turns you made in high school. No one looked down on me for needing accommodations. I’m still in touch with some professors from grad school and undergrad. I don’t even think my high school teachers remember me.
Even if you change your mind in college, you still have the rest of your life. One of my coworkers decided to go to medical school now in her 30s. Has a masters in molecular biology because in her 20s, that’s what she liked best.
@@raccoon404x7 my parents are what have me worried. they dont think i can do it.
@@gymwmads Please try to ignore those comments. If you think you can do it, do it
Hi I'm currently studying Level 1 Health and Social Care and have plans to pursue T Level 3 in the same field. Eventually, I aspire to become a GP doctor. Would you kindly advise if it's necessary to become a nurse first or if there are alternative paths I should consider? Your guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Don’t overthink it. You got this. I’d start off simple. Finish high school, check out community college and see if there’s a health science degree or maybe premed. Do your best there and maybe you’ll have a better idea of what you want to do.
Your acceptance rate data is very far off. If you take the total number of accepted students per year and divide it by the total number of applicants PA has a lower acceptance rate than medical schools. I’m applying to 10 schools this year and the highest acceptance rate of any of them is 4.5%. Most schools range from 3-8% acceptance rate.
I am finishing my undergrad and I am try to get into PA School and Tips Brother
Im an MBBS student graduated from india in 2017. Can i do PA now and switch to residency after writing USMLE ?
To become a PA in the US you would have to first get your transcripts looked over and see what will count here. Most likely will need to retake classes at an American institution. Then you need to be accepted to PA school and do 2-3 years of PA school before sitting for our board exam. And then you can practice. If you want to be a doctor in the US you might as well just take the USMLE and go from there. It would be a waste of time to try to become a PA and then go the MD or DO route.
I would choose a MD or NP any given time. I had some terrible experiences with PAs. Be honest, some people want to do MD ‘s job, but can’t pass the premed courses. So, PA is alternate route.
I'm sure you'll find bad (fill in the blanks) where ever you look. I've seen some great PAs, NPs, MDs, DOs and below average ones as well. And it's too general to assume that PAs, etc are just individuals who didn't get into med school. The career style may have fit better with someone. Being a PA/NP have an easier time changing specialties compared to a doctor who is committed to whatever they went into residency for.
Most PA programs require the same premed courses. Obviously a PA must have passed Thoes courses lol. Wild assumption you’re making
MD is better, hands down. I've been around some cool PAs,s but I've met some terrible complaining PAs. Some PAs would complain about not getting enough money but claimed they wanted to avoid going the MD route due to too much training. While complaining, they have a brand new Telsa outside and off work. That flexibility is like Gumbi, and you're still complaining. You can also see some, not all complaining about their MD not doing as much work as they do. They want the MDs' authority rather than the MDs' responsibilities. Just my observation.
I don't mean to discredit your experiences in any way, just be careful to avoid making hasty generalizations about an entire profession of people. You speak of bad apples.
You need to heal
He talks so fast its hard to follow.
How DARE you write that about PAs!😡
Sadly, you're correct !😓
I've been a DC-based PA for over 20 years. I've worked as/in hospitalist, employee health, community health, research coordinator, professor, and in private practice. I really like the flexibility. And, only owe about $50K in student loans (includes my doctorate). PAs who complain about what MD/DOs have over us, should SERIOUSLY consider applying to MD/DO school. I know PAs that have done this. 🙂👋🏽👨🏽⚕️
Ngl 30-40% is crazy for some PA school acceptance rates lol. That’s alarmingly high, most of the PA schools in NY have
Yeah I've had family members go through PA school know it's competitive but there are some schools with lower reputations or less desirable locations that have higher average
Just to clarify, most nurses will not become PA's and it is a horrible idea to become a nurse then apply to PA school. PA schools do NOT want nurses, they would tell you to just become an NP. Additionally, I doubt a CRNA has ever applied to PA school. CRNA's make 225-250k a year and the training is just as long as PA school if not longer. The highest paid PA's would be lucky to see more than 150-175k a year
Your are very wrong. PA school was made for people with a great amount of healthcare experience such as nurses, techs, etc. I am planning to go to PA school with a BSN. Nursing will make a PA the best provider out there. Also with PA schools becoming competitive they want to see diversity. Nursing will definitely open the eyes is schools.
@@kolefrancom2925 Your not wrong, but a very common interview question nowadays is "why PA and not nurse practitioner?" If you have an extremely good answer for that, then that's good. If you're interested in surgery, that's probably another viable reason to go from nursing to PA. But overall, its a rather unusual choice. I've been told by PAs on committees that it's not something they like to see. Healthcare hours and experience are great for schools that place extra emphasis on it. There are many schools that put more emphasis on GPA, or volunteer hours, or community involvement. Look up the school stats for program that admit students and the collective bachelors degree's that the cohorts possess. You will see very rarely one or two students with a BSN.
@@RubberDucky371PA programs would love nurses. It’s that most nurses go to NP school because it’s easier to get into, easier overall, and NP students can work full time while they are in school where you can’t as a PA.
What are you talking about. PA schools do not hate nurses and there have been nurses who become PAs. Nursing is even considered a high level patient contact for hours needed to apply to school.
As someone who got into PA this isn’t correct information. Nurses are welcomed to apply to PA school. I am an LPN and know many RNs who made the transition to PA. Also, PAs can make more than the number listed, it just depends on the speciality, need, and years of experience. Sometimes PAs are the only provider run the facility.
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@@melaniewagers3122 get off your high horse. ASSISTant nonetheless
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@@queenawill3542 hahah whatever helps you sleep at night
@@sanbetski i mean if you take pride in being grammatically incorrect and ignorant go off. If you gonna correct someone ACTUALLY make sure you have the right information
I appreciate you posting this as showing you accept us which is great as sadly a lot of physicians don’t. We did not become PAs because we wanted to be doctors. I wanted to be a PA. I love the flexibility as you mentioned. I worked in family medicine for 2 years and now I moved states and I’m looking for a job in general surgery or hospital medicine. There are two exams PA programs usually either require which is the GRE or the newer PACAT. The acceptance rate are also I have heard about 30% overall, but one program I was accepted to, it was a 1% acceptance rate. 20 spots for 2000 applicants. I would say individually each program acceptance rate is about 1-5%. I took me 5 years to get into a program. I had 3.6 GPA, 10k direct patient hours. Shadowing and volunteering each between 50-100 about if I remember. If anyone has any questions you can reply to this or DM me on instagram @lisafellispac. I love helping pre-PA students :)
Thank you!
This is just disheartening to hear. I'm aiming for PA school myself. My bachelors will be in respiratory therapy, and I will have a similar if not slightly higher number of direct patient care hours as a PCT and RRT by the time I apply. My GPA is currently a 3.5, and I have hours shadowing both PAs and MDs. Hearing it took you five years to get in just kills me. To top it off, I'm 33 and still don't have my bachelors. The future APRT position is looking more appealing the more I think about it. Assuming that even becomes a thing sooner rather than later.
@@MidoriOku114 my tips. Make sure you have a LOR from a PA. Inthink that’s something that held me back. Make sure you do work as a RT I think that will be amazing direct patient care. I wouldn’t worry about your GPA. One of the biggest things is to apply early! Capsa opens in April every year. If the programs are rolling admissions get them in asap. Have the contact info including emails to those people who you want to write your LORs and tell them that in April they will be getting an email to do their letter. Also start writing your personal statement early and have others read it and revise it. Good luck!
I’m 32 now. Started PA school at 26, graduated at 29. But it’s never too late to go to PA school.
@@MHSMagicLuver I second this. I had a 3.8-9 GPA but couldn't get in the first time. The next year I shadowed a PA and got an LOR from him and suddenly many schools wanted to interview me and I got multiple acceptances. I did apply much earlier that second time.
I want to do anethesia so bad but unfortunatly there isnt a singgle anethesiologiest assistant in texas so i think i want to be an anethesiologiest. Looking for shadowing opportunities but im nit having anyluck 🥲
Hi! I know it’s late but I think there are! I know Case Western has one out of Houston