As a DO Orthopaedic surgery chief going to into spine - I agree with almost all of your comments. Regarding low scores/gpa being the deciding factor between md and do admissions - its not necessarily true. They look for more non-trad applicants. Someone with a prior career or life experience. My story is very similar to yours except when i applied to both I got into DO. On the back end - does being a DO doom you to low scores or subpar training for the rest of your career? Absolutely definitively not. My success has mirrored yours and I’m sure our paths crossed on the trail last year. Great content though. Your page is very helpful to young doctors to be keep up the good work!
One major difference are D.Os and M.Ds are on an equal footing in terms of official recognition within the US but abroad there are fewer countries that accept the D.O qualification to practice medicine where as an M.D is recognised virtually everywhere. With D.Os there are several countries where they can practice but many in which their degree isn’t recognised at all or where they can only practice as osteopaths. In reality there is little difference knowledge wise but this is a qualification recognition thing as the D.O is a qualification invented in the US and outside the US they don’t educate doctors as D.Os but have osteopaths separate from physicians all together. This is an important consideration if you can ever envisage the possibility of working outside the US.
NitroAmi DO students don’t typically have a harder time getting into residency, DO and MD residencies will all merge starting in 2020, so there will be no difference in the application and acceptance process. While all DO students learn the manipulation (known as OMM; osteopathic manipulative medicine), many do not practice OMM as doctors. OMM is typically practiced by those who specialize in osteopathy, or occasionally by those who choose to be general practitioners or even sports medicine docs. Otherwise, OMM doesn’t have much application in other specialties.
No problem! Sure, many DO students choose to be family doctors. However, a DO can be any specialty, nothing is off limits! Google any osteopathic school's match list. You will see the match list is very diverse.
Sure, if you plan to practice in Zimbabwe or Barbados. The only major country that still doesn't accept DO physicians is France. In Norway you can't practice as a DO, but you can be given the title MD to practice. International practice rights is the most idiotic reason to pass on the DO degree.
@@CitizenofDystopia lmao old comment but very valid. Especially because now MOST people in medical school today, MD or DO, 100% plan to practice in the USA anyway 😂
Great advice and I totally agree, however both allopathic and osteopathic schools vary in criteria for admission. Some osteopathic schools are more competitive and allopathic schools and the reverse is equally true. The main driving point is if you want to be a doctor, you have two great options to consider.
2020 the MD DO boards merge so it shouldn't matter soon. If you're heading to Med school this year your boards will be the same for your second year exam. That was really the last difference
Some people with real good score do not get in either MD or DO .. score is just one marker there are many other factors.. and I think only 10% of applicants get in medical schools .. rest have to do something else in career
Difference is the way a lot of residency programs look at DO students because of the way they are taught and examined. MD students all go through USMLE testing, step 1 and step 2, etc, where as not every DO take those exams. It makes it harder for some programs to gauge those DO students. Also, like 90% of DO students will end up in primary care, which is another big difference. And lastly, a lot of more traditional places will favor MD students, especially for competitive specialties.
Telepcanin 28 nope, it goes like this (from personal experience) MD: patient with heart disease take these pills, see me in two weeks, next visit: week your in these meds now let’s cut back on bacon and eggs and steak. No?, we’ll see this cardiologist for surgery. DO: heart disease consider curing back on the night fat and and adding some exercise? No well we gotta do something, take theses pills to start see me in two weeks. Next visit: still not willing to do some exercise and diet changes? Well well end up having some heart surgery, it up to you. I recommend exercise and diet change, it’s less expensive. Surgery only if we absolutely have to. Take these other pills just in case.
Hi Dr. Webb ! I made a TH-cam video about what to expect in your first year as an Osteopathic /DOstudent as far as curriculum and lab. I’d love to know what you think. Also, I would so very much appreciate if you could share this video with your subscribers in some way . If not that that’s fine, atleast watching a few minutes would mean a lot to me!
I’m no dr. But I needed to tell you that ANYTHING is possible if you’re willing to do whatever it takes. Do not look for reassurance from the outside, family and even college counselors can say things that discourage you. But if they have not walked the same path you hope to be on as well what does their word matter to you? if you talk to a dr they will encourage you more than anyone who is not a dr. Do not give up, if you are set back you may have to jump through more hoops to become a dr such as getting a masters, volunteering, shadowing etc but if you want it enough you’ll do whatever it takes. Do not give up on anything even if others doubt you. Bc if you stop believing in yourself what makes others want to believe in you.
Do you have any advice for a 26 year old considering going to get my bachelors and going to medical school? Right now, although I’m still researching, I’m considering DO.
If you can go MD over DO. DOs are still stigmatized when it comes to residency options. However if you are okay with primary care, no research opportunities and living in less populous areas then DO should be okay
You do not have to take USMLE for Allo residencies... That's a myth. It is however, recommended. I'm sure some residencies require it, but you can certainly match with COMLEX scores.
Hey Dr, i saw one of your videos on youtube and just wanted to ask your advice. As a black man i often felt not listened to as a patient and I was thinking DO would better serve my needs, and kaiser now offers DO's. Can i ask your thoughts please? Thank you
Dr. Webb, Currently in the Army active duty leaving the service in the next few months. Thinking of starting at a community college for schooling when I get out. Is there a disadvantage to taking this route as opposed to going straight to a 4 year school for pre med?
Keon No, no disadvantage but I do think there are advantages: smaller class sizes, more face time with instructors and cheaper. I started off at a community college and then transferred to a 4 year college. I say go for it and thank you for your service! Dr. Webb www.antoniowebbmd.com
Even though I took my premed courses in a community college, I have to say there is a disadvantage that there are schools that won't accept those credits.
i often read about community colleges but, not being from the usa, i don't really understand (mostly because your education system is weird). what is the difference between that and a college? also, why do you exactly have to study what you call 'pre-med'? what is it exactly? can you not go directly from whatever high school you did to the university? if not, why? i never understood this
community college is only 2 years and generally anybody that wants to go can go. a college has an admissions process and is typically 4 years. "pre-med" isn't what you study, but a set of requirements that you must meet before you apply to medical schools. you can not go from high school to medical school because an MD or DO is a graduate level degree, not a university level degree. in order to apply to medical school, you need to first have a bachelor's degree, something that high school students don't have.
@@NO1xANIMExFAN what is the difference between graduate level and university level? also how do you define a bachelor’s degree? because you translate in most latin-derived languages its meaning seems not to be what it actually means in english
+Javier Perez Hi, thanks for the comment and watching! As far as the MCAT, it's been about 6-7 years since I've take it. I've heard it's changed since I last took it. But in general, I would take a preparatory course. I took both Kaplan and Princeton. Albeit each course is $2000 or more, that amount is not comparable to what you will make as a physician. Its an investment. Also, do lots lots lots of practice questions. Hire a tutor if you have to. Remember this test score will open up a lot of doors for you and can close doors on you. Apply broadly and pray. Once you submit your app, you can't do nothing but sit back and pray. I hope this answered your questions, please let me know if you have any more and Good luck! Remember if medicine is something you want to do, NEVER give up! AJW ==================== Antonio J. Webb, M.D. www.antoniowebbmd.com twitter.com/drwebb82 facebook.com/awebbmd th-cam.com/users/antoniowebbmd Overcomingtheoddsbook@gmail.com Connect with other pre med students and ask questions, get tips handed down, visit here: facebook.com/groups/soyouwanttobeadoctor Or Go to facebook and search: "soyouwanttobeadoctor"
Dr. Webb, I've been told that if I do my prereqs at a community college they won't hold the same weight or go as in depth for applying to medical/nursing/pa schools. Is that true?
Hello, Thanks for the question. You can definitely start off at a community college and then transfer to a university to finish your degree. In fact, that's exactly what I did. I started off at a community college and then transferred after 2 years. I recommend this way to: Save money. Community colleges are cheaper Smaller classes: this way you can get more 1:1 time with your professors and get to know them. This can become helpful when applying to medical school and you need letters or recommendations. It's kind of hard (but not impossibly) to get a letter from a college professor when you are 1 out of 300 people in a class More flexible: They offer far more night classes than other universities and more schedule options. So, I hope this helps! Good luck and let me know if you have any other questions! Im not sure if you already have but if you havent please subscribe! Best, AJW Antonio Webb, M.D. www.antoniowebbmd.com twitter.com/drwebb82 facebook.com/awebbmd www.amazon.com/author/antoniowebbmd
Thanks it goes help! For me I wouldn't be starting at the CC. I'm in my senior year of a BA Spanish. So I would be going back and doing all my prerequisites at the community college. Is that ok? That way seems cheaper than a "post bacc" and i have numerous faculty from my Spanish dept that can write LORs about my performance there.
Tre'von Green Yes, that’s completely fine. Many schools will accept community college classes. They aren’t weighed any differently than taking the prerequisites at a university but you probably want an upper division biochemistry and take a couple more upper division sciences like general genetics and cell biology to show you can handle upper division sciences.
Also I do want to mention that when you're applying to medical school, some schools have preferences on who writes your LORs. Most schools ask for an LOR from a science professor, a research professor, and a non-science professor. Keep that in mind when you're taking your science classes, so you're actively building a relationship with your professors.
My friend, my DO school puts at least one person into Neuro each year, "At Least!" We usually match between 1-3. As far as ortho goes we matched 12 one year and the least I've seen in the schools history is 4. Dont pick DO or MD, look at schools match rates case for case and select a "School" that has the emphasis to help you. Look up Rocky Vista University for match rates and you'll see. (RVUCOM)
No you cannot. Some try to get OMT training but it is not a weekend learning event. Try to understand that the MD has no idea of the manipulation in theory and on and on. BTW as a nearly 3 decade DO in the Navy, MD trained we really need to get over the differences.
Hello i am from india i want to become a cardiologist so can you give me your email to chat and you can say me all the steps for becoming a cardiologist after college.i request help me !!
+PokeGo World Hi, Thanks for the comment and watching! Im glad you found the video helpful! Please let me know what questions you have and I'd be happy to answer them. My email is overcomingtheoddsbook@gmail.com Be sure to subscribe also to receive the newest videos posted weekly! Dr. Webb www.antoniowebbmd.com facebook.com/awebbmd instagram.com/overcomingtheoddsbook Dr. Webb's new book, Overcoming the Odds (ranked 5 STARS!) is available NOW at: amzn.to/2ydvHwd
Hi, check out this video and interview with Dr. Tishangi Kumar, a IMG, graduate of Ross University and now Cardiologist! th-cam.com/video/yyHBYRaI4Mc/w-d-xo.html
I understand that those who are DOs must feel like it's an uphill battle post degree. And I'll say that some DO primary care physicians are top rate. Some, I think have better people skills and are great for common conditions. However, for very specialized fields, as a patient I'm more comfortable with someone who has very scientific aptitude. When I see the average DO stats and see that DO schools are basically safeties if you can't get into MD, I'm less comfortable. That's not to say that someone who's a DO in a competitive specialty is weaker, they probably had to prove themselves after and they've earned it. But the latest stats that came out had average MCAT matriculants for DO at like 501 vs. 513 for MD? I'm gonna get a lot of downvotes for this, but that's a huge discrepancy. Unless the DO schools raise their standards after a merger, I just don't see how this would be fair to MDs.
Same board exams are needed to be passed. COMLEX and USMLE cover primarily the same info, so it’s just as fair for both types of physicians to achieve their licensing especially since many DOs take both. These tests actually show a student capability of being a physician, unlike the MCAT which literally has nothing to do with medicine. (Fun fact, dr web scored extremely low on his mcat, 20 which is below a 500 on today’s scale, but still got an amazing residency) I wud advise not using the mcat as a marker which shows whether someone will be more qualified as a doctor for that reason. U have a bias which is causing u to view DO with degradation. Many people do which is mostly caused by misinformation. As a BS/MD student whose worked with both types of students and physicians, I believe ur judgement is flawed. That’s just my opinion. You are most likely not a med student or else u wud be more educated on this topic, so you still have time to get an understanding of the field. I wish you good luck on your journey 👍
MD will say they are different, DO will say they are the same. Yeah, let's be honest here. Low MCAT will mostly become a DO. Don't get me wrong. Some state schools take applicants with super low MCAT score.
Matthew is referring to the residency merger that is underway. AOA and ACGME are becoming one GME accreditation system, and this does have a significant impact, especially because many DO residency programs are not going to make the cut. This will result in a lower number of residencies overall. While the merger means there's not going to be such a thing as MD vs DO residencies, it also means that there are more medical graduates and less residency spots. Therefore, although DO students shouldn't need USMLE after the merger, to be more competitive they will probably continue to take USMLE as well as COMLEX.
Emjay Flight merger has started and will be completed in 2020. DOs have never had a hard time getting into MD or DO residencies like IM, Family, EM, and gen surg but have struggled in getting into MD residencies like Ortho, Plastics, Derm, etc. but there were always DO residencies for those fields as well and still have DOs opportunities to take part in those fields. With the merger the ACGME has pressured many of these specialized DO programs to close down or decrease the number of residents they take so that they can become “MD” residency programs, it has made it more difficult for DO students this year to make it to those specialties, but the future of MD residencies that used to be DO is uncertain wether they will still favor taking DOs.
Hi, you asked about osteopathic medicine a few months back. Check out this video here with the Dean of an Osteopathic Medical school here in Texas!! th-cam.com/video/HG-8-3A_EKY/w-d-xo.html
To be honest, DO school are for students that find it difficult to enter a medical program. DOs will ALWAYS state they believe in the DO system which is false. That would be like saying a student went to med school overseas because of choice.
I am a DO and I have never uttered those words. MDs think their shit don’t stink though and we be cashing the same checks. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.
Sure, there are many DO students that used it as backup to MD, but the idea that there aren't a large amount of students that wanted to be DO is patently false. For example, every year about 10% of each class applies to be osteopathic fellows; some don't apply but still wanted to be DOs. Many students join the osteopathic academy. Trying to portray DO as ONLY backup is a way for low self-esteem pre-med students to try to feel superior.
CitizenofDystopia well it's not ONLY a backup but for the most part it seems that people see it that way... not only do DO schools accept students with lower gpas and test scores but they also count retaken grades as replacements. So if you fail ochem one semester and then retake it for a b, DO schools only consider the second grade, whereas med schools will take the mean of the two grades. So while it's no walk in the park to get into DO schools, it is significantly easier so generally people consider it a second option...
@Bernie Sanders This pathetic elitism is the problem of med students nowadays. Do you guys even care about being a doctor and helping people or do you just care about the prestige and social approval?
True. I have a friend that kept applying MD with his subpar GPA and MCAT score for 3 years and never got in. The 4th year he applied to KCUMB and got in lmfao.... The average DO student has inferior stats compared to MD students for sure.
Lol does it really? Because you realize that MD acceptance is mainly based upon the systematic United States standard of privilege, not necessarily true knowledge. MD’s are widely known as assholes and very difficult to get along with.
@@yellawood22 MDs don't make excuses or have to explain. Ever hear an MD explain "We're just as good as a DO"? Any videos like _that_ ? Nope. Do MD school have to use bullshit terms like "non-trad" to describe bad candidates and bad scores? Ha, no. As a patient, I'd take a PA or Nurse Practitioner over a DO, to be frank. I've yet to be impressed with any DO in real life-and I work for one! The "pathologist" over our lab is a DO, and he is more like a salesman than a doctor. He comes across more like a manager at Wendy's. 🙄
@@Robert_St-Preux ive recently worked with a D.O. He spent over 20 years in the ER. He also trained in an Internal medicine fellowship. He's an excellent doctor!! Other doctors consult with him on different issues. Ive also learned a lot. You really cannot judge a book by it's cover.
Yuhh Huhh just my gut feeling. Medicine is already on shaky ground with all the errors, misdiagnosis, and malpractice, and that's all amplified with a type of medical school that seems to have less standards in both coursework and character and greater gimmicks.
As a Med student at an osteopathic school, I appreciate this honest and accurate response
Thanks!
@Bernie Sanders lol
@Bernie Sanders yea if youre stupid
As a DO Orthopaedic surgery chief going to into spine - I agree with almost all of your comments. Regarding low scores/gpa being the deciding factor between md and do admissions - its not necessarily true. They look for more non-trad applicants. Someone with a prior career or life experience. My story is very similar to yours except when i applied to both I got into DO. On the back end - does being a DO doom you to low scores or subpar training for the rest of your career? Absolutely definitively not. My success has mirrored yours and I’m sure our paths crossed on the trail last year. Great content though. Your page is very helpful to young doctors to be keep up the good work!
Congrats! Did you get into any MD schools? If no, Would you have gone MD if you did?
Some people with real good score do not get in either MD or DO .. score is just one marker there are many other factors
One major difference are D.Os and M.Ds are on an equal footing in terms of official recognition within the US but abroad there are fewer countries that accept the D.O qualification to practice medicine where as an M.D is recognised virtually everywhere. With D.Os there are several countries where they can practice but many in which their degree isn’t recognised at all or where they can only practice as osteopaths. In reality there is little difference knowledge wise but this is a qualification recognition thing as the D.O is a qualification invented in the US and outside the US they don’t educate doctors as D.Os but have osteopaths separate from physicians all together. This is an important consideration if you can ever envisage the possibility of working outside the US.
DOs are now internationally recognized as fully licensed physicians from the UN’s International Labor Organization, so this is no longer an issue
NitroAmi DO students don’t typically have a harder time getting into residency, DO and MD residencies will all merge starting in 2020, so there will be no difference in the application and acceptance process. While all DO students learn the manipulation (known as OMM; osteopathic manipulative medicine), many do not practice OMM as doctors. OMM is typically practiced by those who specialize in osteopathy, or occasionally by those who choose to be general practitioners or even sports medicine docs. Otherwise, OMM doesn’t have much application in other specialties.
No problem! Sure, many DO students choose to be family doctors. However, a DO can be any specialty, nothing is off limits! Google any osteopathic school's match list. You will see the match list is very diverse.
Sure, if you plan to practice in Zimbabwe or Barbados. The only major country that still doesn't accept DO physicians is France. In Norway you can't practice as a DO, but you can be given the title MD to practice. International practice rights is the most idiotic reason to pass on the DO degree.
@@CitizenofDystopia lmao old comment but very valid. Especially because now MOST people in medical school today, MD or DO, 100% plan to practice in the USA anyway 😂
I have so much respect for you it makes me excited; almost giddy about thinking of becoming a doctor
Thank you!
OMT is heaven
Just make sure you don’t do it for the money, won’t see much of it until ur in ur 40s if you take out loans
Great advice and I totally agree, however both allopathic and osteopathic schools vary in criteria for admission. Some osteopathic schools are more competitive and allopathic schools and the reverse is equally true. The main driving point is if you want to be a doctor, you have two great options to consider.
Thank you DR.Webb. I really enjoy watching all of your videos. They shed some really good information on the correct path to become to be a doctor.
I am an NP I’m taking chemistry classes now but I’m MD period 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Just got accepted to medical school that’s osteopathic ALAHAMDULILAH
AlhamdulliAllah, I got acceptance from the bs/ do program
@@kanwalraja466 which school ❤️❤️❤️
AlhamdulliAllah
I was literally researching this yesterday! haha
White house doctor is DO
This was the Best video on this topic, thank you!
I have low MCAt and GpA. I only got accepted to DO schools
2020 the MD DO boards merge so it shouldn't matter soon. If you're heading to Med school this year your boards will be the same for your second year exam. That was really the last difference
So DO doesn't have any restriction as to which specialty you can do? Like neurosurgery, ophthalmology, etc?
That’s what I want to know as well
@Keith Bouffard thank you doctor!
@@garlic98 u dont have restrictions but keep in mind many programs prefer MDs just bcs they are MDs
Hi! Do you have a family? In that case did you have to move for med school and if so how did you deal with it?
Some people with real good score do not get in either MD or DO .. score is just one marker there are many other factors.. and I think only 10% of applicants get in medical schools .. rest have to do something else in career
If you've been out of school for a while, where would one get LOR's?
Employers, community leaders, and your old college counselor. Maybe try to take some community college classes and ask them for letters
Difference is the way a lot of residency programs look at DO students because of the way they are taught and examined. MD students all go through USMLE testing, step 1 and step 2, etc, where as not every DO take those exams. It makes it harder for some programs to gauge those DO students. Also, like 90% of DO students will end up in primary care, which is another big difference. And lastly, a lot of more traditional places will favor MD students, especially for competitive specialties.
90% is a false number. It’s closer to 60% DO students end up in Primary Care.
Shouldn't the regular physician look at the whole picture, given that he's got enough time...
Telepcanin 28 nope, it goes like this (from personal experience) MD: patient with heart disease take these pills, see me in two weeks, next visit: week your in these meds now let’s cut back on bacon and eggs and steak. No?, we’ll see this cardiologist for surgery.
DO: heart disease consider curing back on the night fat and and adding some exercise? No well we gotta do something, take theses pills to start see me in two weeks. Next visit: still not willing to do some exercise and diet changes? Well well end up having some heart surgery, it up to you. I recommend exercise and diet change, it’s less expensive. Surgery only if we absolutely have to. Take these other pills just in case.
@@spartalives completely inaccurate. They don’t treat any differently. Common misconception
Hi thank you I will at this as will.
Can you do a series on marketing for Clinics who offer holistic services?
Hi Dr. Webb ! I made a TH-cam video about what to expect in your first year as an Osteopathic /DOstudent as far as curriculum and lab. I’d love to know what you think. Also, I would so very much appreciate if you could share this video with your subscribers in some way . If not that that’s fine, atleast watching a few minutes would mean a lot to me!
I have a stupid question that is it possible for me to become a surgeon ( neurologist or oncologist or trauma ) Thank you for your answer
I’m no dr. But I needed to tell you that ANYTHING is possible if you’re willing to do whatever it takes. Do not look for reassurance from the outside, family and even college counselors can say things that discourage you. But if they have not walked the same path you hope to be on as well what does their word matter to you? if you talk to a dr they will encourage you more than anyone who is not a dr. Do not give up, if you are set back you may have to jump through more hoops to become a dr such as getting a masters, volunteering, shadowing etc but if you want it enough you’ll do whatever it takes. Do not give up on anything even if others doubt you. Bc if you stop believing in yourself what makes others want to believe in you.
Where do you work ?
Sound advice!
Do you have any advice for a 26 year old considering going to get my bachelors and going to medical school? Right now, although I’m still researching, I’m considering DO.
I’m in the same boat as you. I’m going back to school and considering DO or ND.
If you can go MD over DO. DOs are still stigmatized when it comes to residency options. However if you are okay with primary care, no research opportunities and living in less populous areas then DO should be okay
Dream Theater keyboardist Kevin Moore is a DO. I like DO.
You do not have to take USMLE for Allo residencies... That's a myth. It is however, recommended. I'm sure some residencies require it, but you can certainly match with COMLEX scores.
Hey Dr, i saw one of your videos on youtube and just wanted to ask your advice. As a black man i often felt not listened to as a patient and I was thinking DO would better serve my needs, and kaiser now offers DO's. Can i ask your thoughts please? Thank you
There is no difference between MDs and DOs
Dr. Webb,
Currently in the Army active duty leaving the service in the next few months. Thinking of starting at a community college for schooling when I get out. Is there a disadvantage to taking this route as opposed to going straight to a 4 year school for pre med?
Keon No, no disadvantage but I do think there are advantages: smaller class sizes, more face time with instructors and cheaper. I started off at a community college and then transferred to a 4 year college. I say go for it and thank you for your service!
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Dr. Antonio J. Webb appreciate you Dr. Webb! Hope to follow in your foot steps one day, thank you for your service as well!
Even though I took my premed courses in a community college, I have to say there is a disadvantage that there are schools that won't accept those credits.
i often read about community colleges but, not being from the usa, i don't really understand (mostly because your education system is weird). what is the difference between that and a college? also, why do you exactly have to study what you call 'pre-med'? what is it exactly? can you not go directly from whatever high school you did to the university? if not, why? i never understood this
community college is only 2 years and generally anybody that wants to go can go. a college has an admissions process and is typically 4 years. "pre-med" isn't what you study, but a set of requirements that you must meet before you apply to medical schools. you can not go from high school to medical school because an MD or DO is a graduate level degree, not a university level degree. in order to apply to medical school, you need to first have a bachelor's degree, something that high school students don't have.
@@NO1xANIMExFAN what is the difference between graduate level and university level? also how do you define a bachelor’s degree? because you translate in most latin-derived languages its meaning seems not to be what it actually means in english
MCAT advice? You've been very helpful thank you
+Javier Perez
Hi, thanks for the comment and watching! As far as the MCAT, it's been about 6-7 years since I've take it. I've heard it's changed since I last took it. But in general, I would take a preparatory course. I took both Kaplan and Princeton. Albeit each course is $2000 or more, that amount is not comparable to what you will make as a physician. Its an investment. Also, do lots lots lots of practice questions. Hire a tutor if you have to. Remember this test score will open up a lot of doors for you and can close doors on you. Apply broadly and pray. Once you submit your app, you can't do nothing but sit back and pray.
I hope this answered your questions, please let me know if you have any more and Good luck! Remember if medicine is something you want to do, NEVER give up!
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Dr. Webb,
I've been told that if I do my prereqs at a community college they won't hold the same weight or go as in depth for applying to medical/nursing/pa schools. Is that true?
Hello,
Thanks for the question. You can definitely start off at a community college and then transfer to a university to finish your degree. In fact, that's exactly what I did. I started off at a community college and then transferred after 2 years. I recommend this way to:
Save money. Community colleges are cheaper
Smaller classes: this way you can get more 1:1 time with your professors and get to know them. This can become helpful when applying to medical school and you need letters or recommendations. It's kind of hard (but not impossibly) to get a letter from a college professor when you are 1 out of 300 people in a class
More flexible: They offer far more night classes than other universities and more schedule options.
So, I hope this helps! Good luck and let me know if you have any other questions!
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Thanks it goes help! For me I wouldn't be starting at the CC. I'm in my senior year of a BA Spanish. So I would be going back and doing all my prerequisites at the community college. Is that ok? That way seems cheaper than a "post bacc" and i have numerous faculty from my Spanish dept that can write LORs about my performance there.
Tre'von Green Yes, that’s completely fine. Many schools will accept community college classes. They aren’t weighed any differently than taking the prerequisites at a university but you probably want an upper division biochemistry and take a couple more upper division sciences like general genetics and cell biology to show you can handle upper division sciences.
Also I do want to mention that when you're applying to medical school, some schools have preferences on who writes your LORs. Most schools ask for an LOR from a science professor, a research professor, and a non-science professor. Keep that in mind when you're taking your science classes, so you're actively building a relationship with your professors.
Upon completion of medical school, whether one is pursuing md or d.o., is it possible to apply to a Naturopathic residency?
...apply and be accepted into*
I havent heard of many people doing that but thats not to say its impossible
My friend, my DO school puts at least one person into Neuro each year, "At Least!"
We usually match between 1-3. As far as ortho goes we matched 12 one year and the least I've seen in the schools history is 4. Dont pick DO or MD, look at schools match rates case for case and select a "School" that has the emphasis to help you.
Look up Rocky Vista University for match rates and you'll see. (RVUCOM)
Can u graduate from “M. D.” school
but practice osteopathy/naturopath
Thats not very common but I assume you can
No you cannot. Some try to get OMT training but it is not a weekend learning event. Try to understand that the MD has no idea of the manipulation in theory and on and on. BTW as a nearly 3 decade DO in the Navy, MD trained we really need to get over the differences.
USA MD > DO >>>>>> Caribbean
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I understand that those who are DOs must feel like it's an uphill battle post degree. And I'll say that some DO primary care physicians are top rate. Some, I think have better people skills and are great for common conditions.
However, for very specialized fields, as a patient I'm more comfortable with someone who has very scientific aptitude. When I see the average DO stats and see that DO schools are basically safeties if you can't get into MD, I'm less comfortable. That's not to say that someone who's a DO in a competitive specialty is weaker, they probably had to prove themselves after and they've earned it. But the latest stats that came out had average MCAT matriculants for DO at like 501 vs. 513 for MD?
I'm gonna get a lot of downvotes for this, but that's a huge discrepancy. Unless the DO schools raise their standards after a merger, I just don't see how this would be fair to MDs.
Same board exams are needed to be passed. COMLEX and USMLE cover primarily the same info, so it’s just as fair for both types of physicians to achieve their licensing especially since many DOs take both. These tests actually show a student capability of being a physician, unlike the MCAT which literally has nothing to do with medicine. (Fun fact, dr web scored extremely low on his mcat, 20 which is below a 500 on today’s scale, but still got an amazing residency) I wud advise not using the mcat as a marker which shows whether someone will be more qualified as a doctor for that reason. U have a bias which is causing u to view DO with degradation. Many people do which is mostly caused by misinformation. As a BS/MD student whose worked with both types of students and physicians, I believe ur judgement is flawed. That’s just my opinion. You are most likely not a med student or else u wud be more educated on this topic, so you still have time to get an understanding of the field. I wish you good luck on your journey 👍
MD will say they are different, DO will say they are the same. Yeah, let's be honest here. Low MCAT will mostly become a DO. Don't get me wrong. Some state schools take applicants with super low MCAT score.
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Has this changed with the merger?
No, im not sure what the future holds but for now there has been no merger
Matthew is referring to the residency merger that is underway. AOA and ACGME are becoming one GME accreditation system, and this does have a significant impact, especially because many DO residency programs are not going to make the cut. This will result in a lower number of residencies overall. While the merger means there's not going to be such a thing as MD vs DO residencies, it also means that there are more medical graduates and less residency spots. Therefore, although DO students shouldn't need USMLE after the merger, to be more competitive they will probably continue to take USMLE as well as COMLEX.
OMT saved my life
Emjay Flight merger has started and will be completed in 2020. DOs have never had a hard time getting into MD or DO residencies like IM, Family, EM, and gen surg but have struggled in getting into MD residencies like Ortho, Plastics, Derm, etc. but there were always DO residencies for those fields as well and still have DOs opportunities to take part in those fields.
With the merger the ACGME has pressured many of these specialized DO programs to close down or decrease the number of residents they take so that they can become “MD” residency programs, it has made it more difficult for DO students this year to make it to those specialties, but the future of MD residencies that used to be DO is uncertain wether they will still favor taking DOs.
Neither has full control license anymore. Insanity.
MD vs DO, which one is better in bed?
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Allopathic boards? Out.
It's like RN vs LPN...what a mess in nursing!
Elita Ali hmm 🤔 well RN is charge nurse and LVN is more Licensed Nurse
Nurse field is big. Checkout the RN to MD/DO
To be honest, DO school are for students that find it difficult to enter a medical program. DOs will ALWAYS state they believe in the DO system which is false. That would be like saying a student went to med school overseas because of choice.
I am a DO and I have never uttered those words. MDs think their shit don’t stink though and we be cashing the same checks. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.
Sure, there are many DO students that used it as backup to MD, but the idea that there aren't a large amount of students that wanted to be DO is patently false. For example, every year about 10% of each class applies to be osteopathic fellows; some don't apply but still wanted to be DOs. Many students join the osteopathic academy. Trying to portray DO as ONLY backup is a way for low self-esteem pre-med students to try to feel superior.
CitizenofDystopia well it's not ONLY a backup but for the most part it seems that people see it that way... not only do DO schools accept students with lower gpas and test scores but they also count retaken grades as replacements. So if you fail ochem one semester and then retake it for a b, DO schools only consider the second grade, whereas med schools will take the mean of the two grades. So while it's no walk in the park to get into DO schools, it is significantly easier so generally people consider it a second option...
@Bernie Sanders This pathetic elitism is the problem of med students nowadays. Do you guys even care about being a doctor and helping people or do you just care about the prestige and social approval?
True. I have a friend that kept applying MD with his subpar GPA and MCAT score for 3 years and never got in. The 4th year he applied to KCUMB and got in lmfao.... The average DO student has inferior stats compared to MD students for sure.
"Lower scores, lower GPAs" says it all to me. 🙄
Same
Lol does it really? Because you realize that MD acceptance is mainly based upon the systematic United States standard of privilege, not necessarily true knowledge. MD’s are widely known as assholes and very difficult to get along with.
@@yellawood22 MDs don't make excuses or have to explain. Ever hear an MD explain "We're just as good as a DO"? Any videos like _that_ ? Nope. Do MD school have to use bullshit terms like "non-trad" to describe bad candidates and bad scores? Ha, no. As a patient, I'd take a PA or Nurse Practitioner over a DO, to be frank. I've yet to be impressed with any DO in real life-and I work for one! The "pathologist" over our lab is a DO, and he is more like a salesman than a doctor. He comes across more like a manager at Wendy's. 🙄
@@Robert_St-Preux ive recently worked with a D.O. He spent over 20 years in the ER. He also trained in an Internal medicine fellowship. He's an excellent doctor!! Other doctors consult with him on different issues. Ive also learned a lot. You really cannot judge a book by it's cover.
As an average guy here, I don’t trust DOs
Hadron Collider why
Yuhh Huhh just my gut feeling. Medicine is already on shaky ground with all the errors, misdiagnosis, and malpractice, and that's all amplified with a type of medical school that seems to have less standards in both coursework and character and greater gimmicks.
MD = Medical Doctor
DO = Dumber Option
You’re an idiot lol
TheBestMovieAlive that’s a very ignorant comment.
This is a great video. Thanks!
Thank you!