Excellent video Glenn! Lots of really good information. I do yearly blood work on my cat and she’s a happy healthy 14 going on 15 year old! I’ll feed her Science Diet as long as I can afford it but it’s good to know that there are more affordable options if needed. And yes you are right, the most fickle animal alive!!
IAMS is amazing. They’re have some awesome nutrient levels for the price point. And I’ve never heard of Purina One before, but that seems like another good option too!
I often say how surprised I am with Iams. LOL! They should sponsor me! LOL! I do fear this trend in ignoring nutrients is going to cause more kidney disease and urinary issues in cats. I don't see how it can't. very frustrating!
I wish I would have known all this years ago! I had a 16 year old cat develop a limp. Fast forward and she passed from kidney failure. I had no idea there was a connection! She was fed store brand canned cat food. Also, the more I watch your videos, Purina disappoints me. They do have some good mixes, but they know better and just don't always do better, perhaps a cost issue, I don't know.
And this is why i love hills. The nutrients just make sense. They do indeed do research into every diet and those levels show this. Science before marketing and fancy ingredients every time.
Hi Glenn. Could you do another farmers dog review. I cannot get the dry matter basis nutrient list from them. I learned from you to stay clear of all life stages. But still would like to know the numbers. Thank you!
🎶"Stand Navy down the field, sails set to the sky; We'll never change our course, So Army you steer shy-y-y-y. Roll up the score, Navy, anchors aweigh! Sail Navy down the field and sink the Army, sink the Army grey!" 🎶 Go Navy! 31-13! 😃
@@edschulhof6303 you win! Good game. The army team dedicated the game to the 101st defending Bastogne during the Battle of the Bulge in Dec of “44. My dad and I would wake up early every year on Dec 16th when I was a kid, remembering the beginning of the German assault. Pretty sure those men inspired me to become a paratrooper years later. The 101st had switched to air assault so joined the 82nd instead, an equally heroic division in the war. Just watched Midway the other night. Definitely another breed of heroes.( though they ate better than army and marines!)
What should people feed their cats to prevent kidney disease? I just lost my 15-year-old who had hyperesthesia. And I missed the signs for kidney failure, thinking they were symptoms of her disease. And I have 2 brothers who are 16, and I didn't catch it early enough and one of them, and he's lost 2 pounds in a month. he's going downhill fast, even with Sub q fluids, and he has little appetite at this point and the other brother has signs of dehydration, and been living with his face in the water bowl for a while, but he's had a hunched back, limping and stiff back legs for at least a couple of years.
So sorry you're going thru this. Obviously talk to your vet but most would agree at this point getting that cat to eat anything is most important. Canned food, high calorie, would be the best. Obviously a renal diet from the vet is best but not if he won't eat it.
Purina is so random! Some diets are decent and others are so high in minerals? It’s so odd to me? Royal Canin and Hills are both very fair across the board for minerals with HSD being the lower of the two.
Hi, Glenn. Do you know how palatable the dry KD diet is? I've heard many American pet owners say that the canned KD diet is out of their budget, so I'm wondering if soaking the dry KD kibble might be an excellent alternative for them since the nutrients are pretty much the same. But for that to work most of the time, the KD kibble must be highly palatable. I've fed a few dry kibble diets to my cats (Royal Canin Persian Adult included) that are ridiculously palatable despite the relatively high carb content, probably due to the inclusion of a very effective palatant. How well do Hills' dry diets do on the palatability front?
The dry Feline KD for years was pretty unpalatable but a few years ago Hills put some work into improving the dry food taste. They called it E.A.T technology. Enhance Appetite Trigger. sounds cheesy but it really did help. They studied what ingredients cats in uremic crisis would eat. Then they studied how certain combinations of ingredients were unappetizing. They also looked at shape and smell. The results were pretty impressive. So it's a pretty good taste now. But there are a few varieties of tastes and of course other brands of renal diets. the key is they need to eat and nothing better than a diet designed for compromised kidneys.
Sorry for the delay. well, I'd like to see that kitten on growth diets for the next few months. Kind of depends on you budget. Science Diet would give you the best nutrient control for your older cats, but Purina ONE Urinary Care might be less expensive. Iams is a good budget food for adults too. LOL! Why do you cat folks never have just one cat?
Cat groups online have me so convinced that my cat is going to get kidney disease and die if she doesn't eat canned food or raw. I'm spending so much money buying all this expensive canned food. 😫 I bought some kibble by a Canadian brand with 1.2% calcium and 1% phosphorus. Maybe if I stick to that food it's ok to feed them kibble?
It's completely okay to feed them kibble as long as it meets (1) AAFCO requirements for your cat's life stage and (2) SACN's nutrient recommendations for your cat's life stage. The second part is at least as important since while AAFCO's requirements ensure growth and survival, SACN's recommendations ensure that your cat thrives and lives a long life. There is a separate chapter for each life stage in the SACN textbook, and it contains their recommendations for that life stage. Why don't you feed Hills or Royal Canin considering you're (probably) in North America? Their diets follow SACN recommendations, with minor deviations occasionally. Hills seem to follow them more consistently than Royal Canin. Once they reach eight years of age, you can start putting water in their kibble to optimise hydration.
1% is on the higher side. For ages 1-6, SACN recommends no more than 0.8% phosphorus in a diet that has 4000 kcal ME/kg on a dry matter basis. For 7+ years, phosphorus should be no more than 0.7%.
@maazzafar2822 I have a cat with a chicken allergy. Any chicken and she starts getting ear infections and licking bald spots in her fur. And I know this sounds weird, but it's true from much experimenting with different cat foods, but if my cats eat corn MY allergies to my cats get really bad and my sinuses become swollen, and I have trouble sleeping because I can't breathe well at night. I am allergic to corn. Their dander just changes to something I can't tolerate very well when they eat corn. So I have to avoid chicken and I try to avoid corn. That eliminates a lot of the mainstream companies. For instance, Hills doesn't make any chicken free cat foods, and they all use a lot of corn. I bought Petcuran cat food, Go Solutions. They have a chicken free cat food (also without corn) that is lower in calcium and phosphorus, etc.
@@snowps1 You have four choices from what I can tell. 1. Look for a dry cat food that does not contain chicken and corn but has a mineral concentration that meets SACN recommendations. 2. Use Hills Z/D prescription diet or Royal Canin Hypoallergenic. Both contain hydrolyzed poultry, so your cats will not react to them. They also lack corn, I think. The downsides are the cost and that Royal Canin Hypoallergenic might not be very ideal for senior cats. It might be. They will give you the mineral numbers if you message them on the chatbox provided on their website. Hills should be fine for senior cats. 3. Cook your food. Design your recipe using the ADF software to ensure that it meets (1) AAFCO requirements for your cat's life stage and (2) SACN's nutrient recommendations for your cat's life stage. You can use their trial version. Make sure to read the SACN textbook's chapter on home-cooked diets. Although it might be better to ask a board-certified nutritionist (DACVIM in nutrition, not some random person who's done a few weeks-long training from a random institute) to design you a recipe or evaluate yours. UCDavis has such a service. 4. Feed the cat with the chicken allergy a hydrolyzed diet. The rest of them can be fed a Hills corn-free dry diet. To do this, you'll have to either stop free-feeding or make or purchase a feeding enclosure with a microchip-activated flap door that only allows the cats that do not have chicken allergies and are being fed Hills corn-free dry diet. You can also make or purchase one for the cat with chicken allergy being fed the Hills hydrolysed diet. There are DIY designs on the internet (Google Images or Pinterest), but the ready-made designs might work best. There is one called Surefeed, which may be expensive but will pay for itself over the years. Google "cat feeding enclosure with a microchip-activated flap door" and go to images.
@@snowps1 If you want to opt for option 4 but still wish to free feed, make an enclosed feeding station with a microchip-operated cat flap entrance for the cats that don't have chicken allergies. The one with a chicken allergy can be fed separately, perhaps in her own similar enclosure. Look them up on the internet. There are some DIY ones and some commercial feeding stations.
It's fine if you did. Response formats died in 2014 or 2016. Most of the atheist creators regret pioneering that format. These days people prefer video essays like hbomberguy or Philosophy Tube.
Also, please don't go back to DM basis. They're really misleading. I think it would be a lot more intuitive if you use g/1000 kcal for both macronutrients and minerals.
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy If you have the ME kcal/kg (as fed basis) and the nutrient as % of DM (this is how the information is available on Hills' websites), you can calculate the g/1000 kcal value for that nutrient using the equation that I've devised assuming 6% moisture content for kibble: NC = 9400N/E Where, NC is the nutrient concentration measured in g/1000 kcal N is the percentage of that nutrient in the diet on a DM basis E is metabolizable energy in kcal on an as-fed basis Compare the values you'll get from this equation to those provided by Hills. You'll like how accurate it is. 😅
I love the kitty food videos! Its so hard to find good information online with all this marketing online...
Excellent video Glenn! Lots of really good information. I do yearly blood work on my cat and she’s a happy healthy 14 going on 15 year old! I’ll feed her Science Diet as long as I can afford it but it’s good to know that there are more affordable options if needed. And yes you are right, the most fickle animal alive!!
IAMS is amazing. They’re have some awesome nutrient levels for the price point. And I’ve never heard of Purina One before, but that seems like another good option too!
I often say how surprised I am with Iams. LOL! They should sponsor me! LOL! I do fear this trend in ignoring nutrients is going to cause more kidney disease and urinary issues in cats. I don't see how it can't. very frustrating!
I wish I would have known all this years ago! I had a 16 year old cat develop a limp. Fast forward and she passed from kidney failure. I had no idea there was a connection! She was fed store brand canned cat food.
Also, the more I watch your videos, Purina disappoints me. They do have some good mixes, but they know better and just don't always do better, perhaps a cost issue, I don't know.
@@maryhandlename we all just keep learning. Happy to have you here!
And this is why i love hills.
The nutrients just make sense.
They do indeed do research into every diet and those levels show this.
Science before marketing and fancy ingredients every time.
Hi Glenn. Could you do another farmers dog review. I cannot get the dry matter basis nutrient list from them. I learned from you to stay clear of all life stages. But still would like to know the numbers. Thank you!
@@KenGeorge-x4y let me see if I can find their email. It showed all the nutrients of all their foods.
@ thank you. It’s for my sister. She has her dog on farmers. I actually switched back to hills and my dog is doing great. Thanks again for checking
🎶"Stand Navy down the field, sails set to the sky; We'll never change our course, So Army you steer shy-y-y-y. Roll up the score, Navy, anchors aweigh! Sail Navy down the field and sink the Army, sink the Army grey!" 🎶 Go Navy! 31-13! 😃
@@edschulhof6303 you win! Good game. The army team dedicated the game to the 101st defending Bastogne during the Battle of the Bulge in Dec of “44. My dad and I would wake up early every year on Dec 16th when I was a kid, remembering the beginning of the German assault. Pretty sure those men inspired me to become a paratrooper years later. The 101st had switched to air assault so joined the 82nd instead, an equally heroic division in the war. Just watched Midway the other night. Definitely another breed of heroes.( though they ate better than army and marines!)
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy My uncle was an Army captain. He was wounded during the Battle of the Bulge. Happy Caturday!
What should people feed their cats to prevent kidney disease? I just lost my 15-year-old who had hyperesthesia.
And I missed the signs for kidney failure, thinking they were symptoms of her disease. And I have 2 brothers who are 16, and I didn't catch it early enough and one of them, and he's lost 2 pounds in a month. he's going downhill fast, even with Sub q fluids, and he has little appetite at this point and the other brother has signs of dehydration, and been living with his face in the water bowl for a while, but he's had a hunched back, limping and stiff back legs for at least a couple of years.
So sorry you're going thru this. Obviously talk to your vet but most would agree at this point getting that cat to eat anything is most important. Canned food, high calorie, would be the best. Obviously a renal diet from the vet is best but not if he won't eat it.
Purina is so random! Some diets are decent and others are so high in minerals? It’s so odd to me? Royal Canin and Hills are both very fair across the board for minerals with HSD being the lower of the two.
yes, its a big frustrating. but actually RC has a few too, which makes no sense. The RC Hairball compared to Iams or others.
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Yes I remember Dr. Rea giving a low score for RC hair and skin.
Hi, Glenn. Do you know how palatable the dry KD diet is? I've heard many American pet owners say that the canned KD diet is out of their budget, so I'm wondering if soaking the dry KD kibble might be an excellent alternative for them since the nutrients are pretty much the same. But for that to work most of the time, the KD kibble must be highly palatable. I've fed a few dry kibble diets to my cats (Royal Canin Persian Adult included) that are ridiculously palatable despite the relatively high carb content, probably due to the inclusion of a very effective palatant. How well do Hills' dry diets do on the palatability front?
When I feed kibble I put water in it. I just put the kibble in a cereal bowl and just enough water to cover it. Thankfully my cats eat it that way.
@@snowps1 I soak it in water and leave it in the fridge to fully soften. I takes a few hours. I put it in the fridge to slow bacterial growth.
The dry Feline KD for years was pretty unpalatable but a few years ago Hills put some work into improving the dry food taste. They called it E.A.T technology. Enhance Appetite Trigger. sounds cheesy but it really did help. They studied what ingredients cats in uremic crisis would eat. Then they studied how certain combinations of ingredients were unappetizing. They also looked at shape and smell. The results were pretty impressive. So it's a pretty good taste now. But there are a few varieties of tastes and of course other brands of renal diets. the key is they need to eat and nothing better than a diet designed for compromised kidneys.
Are there any lower cost dry and wet food that is good?
Iams surprisingly fits that bill.
I have several cats all ages from 5 months to 16 years old. What should i feed them?
Sorry for the delay. well, I'd like to see that kitten on growth diets for the next few months. Kind of depends on you budget. Science Diet would give you the best nutrient control for your older cats, but Purina ONE Urinary Care might be less expensive. Iams is a good budget food for adults too. LOL! Why do you cat folks never have just one cat?
Cat groups online have me so convinced that my cat is going to get kidney disease and die if she doesn't eat canned food or raw. I'm spending so much money buying all this expensive canned food. 😫 I bought some kibble by a Canadian brand with 1.2% calcium and 1% phosphorus. Maybe if I stick to that food it's ok to feed them kibble?
It's completely okay to feed them kibble as long as it meets (1) AAFCO requirements for your cat's life stage and (2) SACN's nutrient recommendations for your cat's life stage. The second part is at least as important since while AAFCO's requirements ensure growth and survival, SACN's recommendations ensure that your cat thrives and lives a long life. There is a separate chapter for each life stage in the SACN textbook, and it contains their recommendations for that life stage.
Why don't you feed Hills or Royal Canin considering you're (probably) in North America? Their diets follow SACN recommendations, with minor deviations occasionally. Hills seem to follow them more consistently than Royal Canin.
Once they reach eight years of age, you can start putting water in their kibble to optimise hydration.
1% is on the higher side. For ages 1-6, SACN recommends no more than 0.8% phosphorus in a diet that has 4000 kcal ME/kg on a dry matter basis. For 7+ years, phosphorus should be no more than 0.7%.
@maazzafar2822 I have a cat with a chicken allergy. Any chicken and she starts getting ear infections and licking bald spots in her fur. And I know this sounds weird, but it's true from much experimenting with different cat foods, but if my cats eat corn MY allergies to my cats get really bad and my sinuses become swollen, and I have trouble sleeping because I can't breathe well at night. I am allergic to corn. Their dander just changes to something I can't tolerate very well when they eat corn. So I have to avoid chicken and I try to avoid corn. That eliminates a lot of the mainstream companies. For instance, Hills doesn't make any chicken free cat foods, and they all use a lot of corn.
I bought Petcuran cat food, Go Solutions. They have a chicken free cat food (also without corn) that is lower in calcium and phosphorus, etc.
@@snowps1 You have four choices from what I can tell.
1. Look for a dry cat food that does not contain chicken and corn but has a mineral concentration that meets SACN recommendations.
2. Use Hills Z/D prescription diet or Royal Canin Hypoallergenic. Both contain hydrolyzed poultry, so your cats will not react to them. They also lack corn, I think. The downsides are the cost and that Royal Canin Hypoallergenic might not be very ideal for senior cats. It might be. They will give you the mineral numbers if you message them on the chatbox provided on their website. Hills should be fine for senior cats.
3. Cook your food. Design your recipe using the ADF software to ensure that it meets (1) AAFCO requirements for your cat's life stage and (2) SACN's nutrient recommendations for your cat's life stage. You can use their trial version. Make sure to read the SACN textbook's chapter on home-cooked diets. Although it might be better to ask a board-certified nutritionist (DACVIM in nutrition, not some random person who's done a few weeks-long training from a random institute) to design you a recipe or evaluate yours. UCDavis has such a service.
4. Feed the cat with the chicken allergy a hydrolyzed diet. The rest of them can be fed a Hills corn-free dry diet. To do this, you'll have to either stop free-feeding or make or purchase a feeding enclosure with a microchip-activated flap door that only allows the cats that do not have chicken allergies and are being fed Hills corn-free dry diet. You can also make or purchase one for the cat with chicken allergy being fed the Hills hydrolysed diet. There are DIY designs on the internet (Google Images or Pinterest), but the ready-made designs might work best. There is one called Surefeed, which may be expensive but will pay for itself over the years.
Google "cat feeding enclosure with a microchip-activated flap door" and go to images.
@@snowps1 If you want to opt for option 4 but still wish to free feed, make an enclosed feeding station with a microchip-operated cat flap entrance for the cats that don't have chicken allergies. The one with a chicken allergy can be fed separately, perhaps in her own similar enclosure. Look them up on the internet. There are some DIY ones and some commercial feeding stations.
Did you take down your response videos to other people?
It's fine if you did. Response formats died in 2014 or 2016. Most of the atheist creators regret pioneering that format. These days people prefer video essays like hbomberguy or Philosophy Tube.
@@ZaryaTheLaika yes I did! I actually love that format but not sure it's legal! didn't want to hear from a lawyer!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Fair Use is always sketchy. Boils down to who have more money to hire the better lawyer
Also, please don't go back to DM basis. They're really misleading. I think it would be a lot more intuitive if you use g/1000 kcal for both macronutrients and minerals.
@@maazzafar2822 I agree. Unfortunately many brands won’t provide the info. Should be mandatory!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy If you have the ME kcal/kg (as fed basis) and the nutrient as % of DM (this is how the information is available on Hills' websites), you can calculate the g/1000 kcal value for that nutrient using the equation that I've devised assuming 6% moisture content for kibble:
NC = 9400N/E
Where,
NC is the nutrient concentration measured in g/1000 kcal
N is the percentage of that nutrient in the diet on a DM basis
E is metabolizable energy in kcal on an as-fed basis
Compare the values you'll get from this equation to those provided by Hills. You'll like how accurate it is. 😅