Hey its me, the Tank. Thanks so much for the tips to improve. Its really interresting to watch somebody watch you play. Some of the mistakes i made were very obvious in the vod, but while I am playing i do not notice a lot of them. So thanks so much and I am very happy to be in one of your videos, even if I got rosted haha.
part of improving at overwatch is learning to slow down the game as you're playing it so you see opportunities to make plays and also see your mistakes as soon as you make them. this takes time to develop! and the only way it starts to happen is by getting in the habit of watching your vods because that's how you train yourself to understand your mistakes and then you'll start to see yourself making them in game. overwatch is a real commitment when you want to improve, so don't be discouraged! stuff takes time, and asking for help like you did by submitting your vod is the first step to learning to see your blind spots!
I think you should play Zarya more. If you improve on your bubble management and play more around cover you could easily hit Diamond with that play. You're not that far away from me in terms of skill (I'd say) and I'm Diamond 4.
@@tom.p4445 same with dva - you seemed to almost have more plans with her, something you can apply to everyone! i think those two would be particularly good to focus on, but that's not to say you weren't (and can't be) doing good on the other heroes!
Times when it's bad to ask for heals (a non-comprehensive list): - When they're dead - When you're dead - When you are either someplace or in a situation where you cannot be healed safely - If you're spamming it - If you are missing 5 hp and you can see that they are on a critical teammate - If they have just finished calling that they're being dove and you have no intention of peeling for them Times when it's good to ask for heals (a non-comprehensive list): - When you are on a different plane or are behind them (i.e. widowmaker or someone up a wall) - When you can see they are distracted by a non-critical teammate or the teamfight in general (or suspect they could be) and need heal - If you need a top-up and are not in the middle of a teamfight - You just realized you accidentally have taken literally all the aggro and will shortly be falling over - You are the other support or a self-healing hero and will need help because you are out of cooldowns/taking consistent damage that's preventing self heal etc when they may not expect it
Yeah, just adding: when you're behind them and looking at their backs at 18 hp for any more than 5 seconds. They don't know you're there and won't get to you, just ask.
The bigger problem I have, is that a LONE Genji or some other diver will go DEEP in my backline, COMPLETELY disrupt ALL FOUR of my team, and I'm wondering, am I supposed to keep holding the charging tank and three other enemies at bay, or am I supposed to run back and try to rescue them form ONE diver? Neither option seems to work.... Sometimes it's the enemy tank even, which I can see is more dangerous, but it's a classic example of feeding. I figure I cut off the supports and my team will shred the overextended tank, but NO! The guy will wipe everyone out while hardly taking any damage! But if I turn my back on the enemy I will DEFINITELY get shredded instantly. What's the deal???
if you have cooldowns, sigma shield/grasp, dva defense matrix etc, along with having the healthpool to hold the enemy team off, do it. if you walk back to peel for the enemy diving your team, you are giving up all of that space that you were holding while turning your back to the enemy team, when your 2-3 teammates could've easily just dealt with the genji while you keep holding the space. it's situational, obviously as for instance if it's just a genji, it's probably fine, but if they for example use something like a blade then it could be worth peeling and trying to stun/deny them.
Too many variables to say. You might just think it's the one hero, but if they're getting the support of their team (both healing, bubbles, another DPS shooting their targets etc) it's essentially not a 1v4 it might be anything up to a 4v4 happening behind you. Unless you're running brawl, remember that the things impacting a won or lost teamfight don't geographicaly have to be located beside the diver. A classic example would be a Winston diving your backline with an Ana and/or Zen healing them at range, and say a genji not in but pressuring an off-angle behind you. It's like the pocketed hitscan conundrum where people are like "it's just a sojourn, it was a 1v1" but if they have a Mercy on them it's a 2v1. You should expect to lose that most of the time. Anyways, yeah it's tough. Sometimes you just fall over, but more consistently just don't feed, don't run back and leave yourself vulnerable (although do disengage if you're on a hero where you can do so easily), play conservatively but keep forward pressure, make yourself hard to kill long enough for your backline to deal with the problem. This goes into the bucket of why even tanks should always position with an eye to there being cover somewhere nearby
@@jordyn. Thanks for that. That's what I tended to think, just many times I do that, after hearing the Genji behind me, I then hear a death sound or two behind me and the line collapses right after. Just bad luck in those cases I guess! Switching to Winston/Rein and trying to keep the team closer helps, but not always! And the tank change usually has other consequences. This usually happens on defense playing Ramattra. I get in a comfy groove holding a point, few kills but the cart doesn't move, so I'm happy. Then that happens and breaks the stale mate I was maintaining, lather-rinse-repeat.
As a low rank support main, also keep in mind that in some cases that lone genji is a Smurf who lives for destroying metal backlines. Our mechanics aren't there yet, help if can lol. If you can't reasonable players like me understand. But you right. The other 9 times, we shld be able to handle lone flankers as long as they don't have a pocket somewhere in the cut.
Not immediately, let your supps cook. Most of the support line up can easily win a 1v1 against a genji. But as a tank you have to be aware of how they are faring and at the very least back up if they are getting disrupted as you say. You can't hold space without support so just reset, play closer to your backline, and turn quickly if you're gonna turn on a dive.
I had a game where my tank was Reinhardt who thought LOS was an Asian country, and the enemy tank was a Dva that had a fetish for flanking and killing me specifically. One of the most frustrating games I've ever had.
I've seen a lot of lower rank tanks are very impatient. They constantly spam for heals while I'm reloading or keep holding forward when they are so low health. It's frustrating. Then you call them out or tell them to play slower then they tilt. Thankfully this tank is learning to play a little slower and make healing them easier for their supports.
i'm a dps main but play support pretty often: nothing makes me happier than when a tank (or anyone for that matter) asks for heals and actually falls back into cover so i can heal them. giving me a "thanks" makes it even better
This is so helpful Emongg thanks! Im a gold tank and I struggle with being too aggressive, not getting enough heals, and my supports dying early. Your comment about how this is partly on me because Im forcing my supports to take dangerous positions to heal me makes perfect sense.
it's always good to keep in mind that you can't control what your teammates do. I'm sure there are games where you are objectively being abandoned by your supports or the support who should primarily focus on you forgets you exist. I'm in diamond and plat lobbies and this still happens sometimes. this won't be every game but I'm sure this does happen from time to time, and you can't control whether it does happen. but you can control whether you give your supports the opportunity to keep you alive by always playing around cover. they might not always use that opportunity to actually keep you alive lol but you've done your part as a teammate by giving them the chance. and most supports WILL make the most of the opportunity you give them. nobody's perfect, of course, and they're in gold, too, but most of them are trying their best to help you. so by helping them help you, you are also giving yourself a better opportunity to get things done!
developers said in season 8 that mid gold is the avg rank so any rank above is higher than average and all ranks lower would be considered below average
its all perspective, gm players consider diamond low ranked. players who have hit rank one consider anything under top 100 low ranked. in actuality the curve is fattest in gold, so thats average. plat is a huge climb from the 60th percentile to like the 15th-10th percentile in the bottom of diamond. i dont know what the % for masters and above anymore, but above the 5th
I saw in another video someone was talking about how a minimap would be really helpful, especially for tanks, and I hard agree. Especially as a low level tank player it is so difficult to be aware of where my supports are. Factor in that low level supports are often just in random places, so even if I had game sense (I don't) it wouldn't help much lol.
just look real quick where they are, I do this with support, seeing if i'm gonna be dove, if someoen is gonna dive into their back line and if I can heal them and to see if their team is gonna push us back or not to position good to not get rolled along the way.
The first thing I would have liked for Tank is that their bonus health be armor/shields depending on the hero rather than to their normal health. Second is their passive reducing all CC. 3rd if anything would be an overall, every hero eventually getting a passive.
As a gold/plat player, i hate seeing Orisa in my games on either side. Not because shes OP, but because it usually means either 1) Our tank is being gapped and needs a low skill hero to compete, or 2) everyone will just shoot at the enemy orisa the whole game and nobody dies.
I had one game i picked orisa to use a new skin and immediately i had a bap voice chat/also write in texts: "no, not orisa. She doesnt block bullets. Worst tank ever." Then they started saying more negative and ruder things(i reported after the game was done) and i was like shrug and swapped. Never seen someone get so tilted for someone picking a hero and we had not even left spawn, lol.
I always love people who dont understand the kits of the characters making assumptions. I love getting yelled at as Brig to "stop DPSing and heal". Like, kid, where do you think that consistent healing is coming from? The moon?
At the expense of getting bullied off the internet, I wanted to ask a question that hopefully can get answered. Do you guys think having game sense/mechanical skill actually determines rank? Background: I have an account since OW 1 back in 2016, never been able to climb higher than Silver 3 on supp, or gold 4 on tank (usually bronze 1-2 for both). Just before season 9 started, after a 3 week losing streak, I did the unthinkable and I bought a diamond 4 supp account and haven't looked back. I know I've definitely learned a lot since 2016, from mechanics to game sense, but it never felt like it mattered at the lowest ranks. Not only did I do the stupid thing by buying an account, I also did it right before the hard reset in competitive. So I ended up testing my skills on both accounts- I felt I played the same way (played same characters, playstyle, same time of day, with similar amounts of stress levels coming from my life, etc.), but in my old account I was placed in Bronze 2, but in the bought account I was Diamond 2. Over the course of season 9, going between accounts I stayed in bronze on my 2016 account, and stayed in Diamond in the bought account. When I watch my games back to learn improvements, it seems to me my skills (as support, being versatile in kit/keeping people alive, as tank, making space/protecting supps) don't actually contribute to the game and that whether we win or lose is dependent on the rest of my team. Does this mean that I have to carry more in my bronze games to make a difference, or does this mean that ranked is not actually a measure of your skill? I hope emongg can answer this in a future video, but of course happy to hear y'alls comments too.
First, you need both to a degree. There are gm mains for every hero, you can rank up with mechanics, headshot everyone. Or with Game sense for example playing Winston or rein. But there are also players with great aim that don't rank high because they fail at game sense and when position and timing is off, you end up feeding when you don't group up and always play 1v5. About the two accounts, someone did the math and you need around 100 games to gain or lose a full rank, that means gold to plat for example. Very roughly speaking. So if you played both accounts for 300 games each, just one role, you might see them move closer together in rank. But there might be some truth to it, there was this streamer doing unranked to gm lifeweaver and he got stuck. Unranked to gm works when you are still in calibration and rise quickly. But when you have many losses and your rank settles, it seems that even a gm could not escape elo hell in short time at least. He made a new account and went gm there. It was all about not having too many losses. And life weaver is a hero that has limited carry power . The main question is, does one of your accounts have more fun games? Because i see bad games from bronze to masters, with people making really bad plays and mistakes. I don't care about ranking about because it doesn't get better. It's not more fun, not less toxic. Just more stressful when you always have to play top performance. Matchmaking tries to find balanced games so you should win half and lose half. It doesn't matter if silver or diamond, when you are at your rank you lose half of your games, statistically. Only question is if the matches feel better maybe because of more team play or communication.
Yeah I think at some point should consider what reason you play- sure feels good to have bragging rights that you’re a high rank, but if you’re not having fun (which it sounds like you want considering you’ve been playing since 2016) what’s the point? If you’re having fun while not cheating I think you should play whatever gives more fun. @wulfereene gives a good point that it takes a loooooooooooong time to rank up, so if you’re not spending days worth of trying to rank up, you’ll likely stay within the same rank with your history of playing aka 8 years vs 3 months serving as the basis of your rank
I've played as long as you have with the same ranks and I'm still there. I don't play enough but know all the "rules". It's a mix of hardstuck by the mmr and putting in the work. I don't have the energy to do so but if you do you'll eventually climb. I played on a friend's acct and realized being in a higher rank changed nothing but ppl don't stand in the middle of open fields as much lol. So I'm finally content with where I'm at.
game sense and mechanical skill contributes alot into rank determination, however at higher ranks, it does not become either of those only, cuz then you'd also need team contribution, Communication is part of that team contribution that you'd need
@@its-tinyavocado when a silver Support can hold himself in diamond, that is 3 tiers higher, over a longer period, that would indicate that rank is somewhat complicated. By the percentages how players are distributed, silver is below average, and diamond is strongly above. If old numbers still apply, gold was the majority of the player base and diamond would be roughly top 15% or so. If rank assesses skill, a silver player should slowly rank down. He won't lose all games, just more than half. But matchmaking and match randomness have more impact on short term data. You need to have hundreds of games to see your own statistical effect. Everyone had his 5 games win or loss streak. That doesn't mean much. The question is how many out of 300 or so do you win
I don’t usually say it, but often I think “this guy doesn’t know how to play tank. I wish he’d go Orisa so he’d at least get baseline value instead of zero value”.
I think the orisa loss rate is probably due to "ok we're losing, I'll go orisa" thinking it's an "I win" button, but they still get rolled because they don't know how to play orisa or that orisa has been played so much people figured out how to counter her.
@bazzfromthebackground3696 Also very annoying 😂. Same with mauga. If they got a good pocket, especially, then it can be fairly hard to kill some games as well, so it's just hope the dps can kill the supports and you try to survive as tank, lol.
Orisa is the tank I go if I notice both my supports are DPS heavy supports. I can usually stall long enough for at least one of them to notice my giant crit healthbar.
Look at where my supports are bahaha, no. BALL TIME, oh I’m low? MEGA. Only ping for heals I do is when I have a Sombra and she hasn’t hacked my mega >:(
Gold 1, brink of plat 5 play doomfist mostly. The omment something goes wrong or i pop off it's "swap from doom adn go orisa". It's honestly the orisa show. and she may lose most games because i think she probably has the highest amount of play over any other tank and it probably skews her ratings to be worse to other tanks. possibly.
I like when people ask for heals. It will draw my attention to them in case I don't see them. However, I also have my chats off, so if they are cussing about heals in chat, then no. LOL
healers gotta commit with their tank, I play Moira a lot for this reason because if a tank is very aggressive and you peel him, it might work, but if you just let him die and let him die like that 5 more times in hope he realizes next time, you lose. Supports are making the play, they are setting the tempo of the game. I'd just suggest swap to Moira and Lucio if your tank is too aggressive and see what happens
I play Brig and I basically just follow my tank around all game (unless they're Doomfist or Ball, obviously). The amount of times I lose simply because the enemy team has both their supports up their tank's butt so my tank essentially cant do anything, is ridiculous.
I just don't understand how this tank is plat. Not that I'm saying I'm so much better but I'm definitely not worse. 30-4 top damage and still lose way more than I feel I should.
you're focusing on stats and not your impact. that's the problem. you're preventing yourself from even seeing the main issues because you're mistaking numbers for value. for example, we've all had that obnoxious dps player who's like "wtf are you guys doing, I got two!" but they fail to realize they got two when the rest of their team was back in spawn and thus, the enemy team still had the numbers advantage and the two picks didn't matter. that dps player is ignoring the overall picture. damage stats don't matter if, for instance, you ran it down mid trying to kill the enemy Orisa who never fell over while the enemy dps wiped out your backline. elims don't matter if you don't anchor point when you need to or help keep your team alive so there's enough people to capitalize on the elims you're getting. the team who captures the objectives and pushes cart - and prevents the enemy from doing those things - is the team who wins the game, not the team with the best stats. there MAY be correlation there in many games, but the good stats do not CAUSE the victory. completing the objectives does. I can't tell you what your biggest obstacles are, but I can say with absolute certainty that you're never going to give yourself an opportunity to identify those obstacles if you use stats as a metric of the value you're contributing.
@@sethescope as tank, if I'm doing all that damage and getting all those kills, that means I'm right there up front and making space. Numbers don't tell the whole story sure but it does tell a lot of it.
@@RantKid you don't have to believe me, but you will keep losing more than you think you should until you are willing to understand that you are both the problem and the solution. it's not easy to hold yourself accountable, but it's the only way to improve and eventually get to a higher rank.
i won't lie and say swapping isn't more important on tank than it is on other roles because it's true. BUT. that doesn't mean you should be playing counter watch just because you're on tank. if you are fixating on the tank 1v1, you're missing so much of the bigger picture. it's not about swapping necessarily. it's about knowing how to play your chosen hero with the heroes you have on your team and against the heroes on the enemy team. for example, you can successfully play dva into zarya IF you understand (1) why zarya is good against dva on paper and (2) how to prevent the zarya from benefiting from that theoretical, on paper advantage. you can also swap to Winston, for example, if they go Zarya in response to your dva. that is absolutely a choice you can make and will sometimes be the right choice. but sometimes Winston will be the wrong choice against the other four people on the enemy team. in order to enjoy playing tank and also improve if that's what you're interested in doing, you have to see the bigger picture and understand strengths and weaknesses and you have to work on good decisionmaking
As someone who's never really played a "ranked" video game in my life, or anything competitive, and just got into overwatch heavily... Season 9 is garbage for new players. I was in gold for a bit in season 8 and then season 9 hit and I slid right down to silver 4... i left it ONE time to silver 3 and then went right back to silver 4 and have not been able to budge since. I just wanted to hit gold 4 and I wasn't even good enough to do that. Also, there have just as many times when my positioning was pretty good and Im literally 3 feet from both supports but they only heal.. each other? Fricking Zen and Moira players need to stop playing as a DPS character, like okay I get it you're trigger happy, play dps if you want to get 20 elims in a game next time. To say healers aren't the problem at least 33% of the time has to be cap, but I see tons of people in the chat defending healers throughout this video. Healers are not infalliable. I've lost dozens of games simply because Mercy kept reviving me when A) the reason I died is because she refused to heal and only damage boosted, and B) I was actively trying to switch off my character and she kept reviving me 3, 4, sometimes 5 times in a row, therefore locking me down.
I wouldn’t say blame it all on the support because as a gold 2 support which I shouldn’t be honestly smh trust me I get frustrated when I’m being the only healer but then when I’m getting dived on and focused I constantly have to switch to another character the dps or tank gets upset they aren’t getting heals but aren’t helping me….we cannot heal y’all when we’re getting dived on 🤷🏽♀️ sometimes like Emongg said there are people who have bad positioning and there are others who just focus support but if the supports are healing each other it’s possibly because they’re either 1. getting rolled on or 2. Having bad positioning and they’re getting heavily focused
just got into overwatch - upset about performing like you just got into overwatch - heavily focusing on team mistakes instead of own mistakes - recipe for hardstuck low elo
Lol.... diamond tank here.... I would 100% of the time prefer my mercy to damage boost a TON more than heal... also if you need that much healing your positing is terrible and you have zero idea where the health packs are.... figure out where the health packs are and literally pay around them.... if you have 2 supports heal botting and the enemy supports are doing damage your are literally fighting a 3 v 5
No shit you're supports are bad, they're in the same rank as you lol. Just one trick a tank with their own self sustain until you're in diamond or higher. Its that easy.
I need to make a elo hell video I posted 1 video of my gameply if anyone interested in giving me tips I can't get out silver but feel like I shit on most these videos
Hey its me, the Tank. Thanks so much for the tips to improve. Its really interresting to watch somebody watch you play. Some of the mistakes i made were very obvious in the vod, but while I am playing i do not notice a lot of them. So thanks so much and I am very happy to be in one of your videos, even if I got rosted haha.
part of improving at overwatch is learning to slow down the game as you're playing it so you see opportunities to make plays and also see your mistakes as soon as you make them. this takes time to develop! and the only way it starts to happen is by getting in the habit of watching your vods because that's how you train yourself to understand your mistakes and then you'll start to see yourself making them in game. overwatch is a real commitment when you want to improve, so don't be discouraged! stuff takes time, and asking for help like you did by submitting your vod is the first step to learning to see your blind spots!
I think you should play Zarya more. If you improve on your bubble management and play more around cover you could easily hit Diamond with that play. You're not that far away from me in terms of skill (I'd say) and I'm Diamond 4.
@@naverich4603thats so nice of you to say that, thank you. I will definitely play more Zarya:)
@@tom.p4445 same with dva - you seemed to almost have more plans with her, something you can apply to everyone! i think those two would be particularly good to focus on, but that's not to say you weren't (and can't be) doing good on the other heroes!
Lol if you think this is roasted
Times when it's bad to ask for heals (a non-comprehensive list):
- When they're dead
- When you're dead
- When you are either someplace or in a situation where you cannot be healed safely
- If you're spamming it
- If you are missing 5 hp and you can see that they are on a critical teammate
- If they have just finished calling that they're being dove and you have no intention of peeling for them
Times when it's good to ask for heals (a non-comprehensive list):
- When you are on a different plane or are behind them (i.e. widowmaker or someone up a wall)
- When you can see they are distracted by a non-critical teammate or the teamfight in general (or suspect they could be) and need heal
- If you need a top-up and are not in the middle of a teamfight
- You just realized you accidentally have taken literally all the aggro and will shortly be falling over
- You are the other support or a self-healing hero and will need help because you are out of cooldowns/taking consistent damage that's preventing self heal etc when they may not expect it
Yeah, just adding: when you're behind them and looking at their backs at 18 hp for any more than 5 seconds. They don't know you're there and won't get to you, just ask.
@@chungaplea3323 That's actually my number one under good times to ask for heals and I very much agree
Bad tank play like this brings the whole team down and is probably the biggest reason why it can be hard to climb out of the low ranks.
The bigger problem I have, is that a LONE Genji or some other diver will go DEEP in my backline, COMPLETELY disrupt ALL FOUR of my team, and I'm wondering, am I supposed to keep holding the charging tank and three other enemies at bay, or am I supposed to run back and try to rescue them form ONE diver? Neither option seems to work....
Sometimes it's the enemy tank even, which I can see is more dangerous, but it's a classic example of feeding. I figure I cut off the supports and my team will shred the overextended tank, but NO! The guy will wipe everyone out while hardly taking any damage! But if I turn my back on the enemy I will DEFINITELY get shredded instantly. What's the deal???
if you have cooldowns, sigma shield/grasp, dva defense matrix etc, along with having the healthpool to hold the enemy team off, do it. if you walk back to peel for the enemy diving your team, you are giving up all of that space that you were holding while turning your back to the enemy team, when your 2-3 teammates could've easily just dealt with the genji while you keep holding the space. it's situational, obviously as for instance if it's just a genji, it's probably fine, but if they for example use something like a blade then it could be worth peeling and trying to stun/deny them.
Too many variables to say. You might just think it's the one hero, but if they're getting the support of their team (both healing, bubbles, another DPS shooting their targets etc) it's essentially not a 1v4 it might be anything up to a 4v4 happening behind you. Unless you're running brawl, remember that the things impacting a won or lost teamfight don't geographicaly have to be located beside the diver. A classic example would be a Winston diving your backline with an Ana and/or Zen healing them at range, and say a genji not in but pressuring an off-angle behind you.
It's like the pocketed hitscan conundrum where people are like "it's just a sojourn, it was a 1v1" but if they have a Mercy on them it's a 2v1. You should expect to lose that most of the time.
Anyways, yeah it's tough. Sometimes you just fall over, but more consistently just don't feed, don't run back and leave yourself vulnerable (although do disengage if you're on a hero where you can do so easily), play conservatively but keep forward pressure, make yourself hard to kill long enough for your backline to deal with the problem. This goes into the bucket of why even tanks should always position with an eye to there being cover somewhere nearby
@@jordyn. Thanks for that. That's what I tended to think, just many times I do that, after hearing the Genji behind me, I then hear a death sound or two behind me and the line collapses right after. Just bad luck in those cases I guess! Switching to Winston/Rein and trying to keep the team closer helps, but not always! And the tank change usually has other consequences.
This usually happens on defense playing Ramattra. I get in a comfy groove holding a point, few kills but the cart doesn't move, so I'm happy. Then that happens and breaks the stale mate I was maintaining, lather-rinse-repeat.
As a low rank support main, also keep in mind that in some cases that lone genji is a Smurf who lives for destroying metal backlines. Our mechanics aren't there yet, help if can lol. If you can't reasonable players like me understand.
But you right. The other 9 times, we shld be able to handle lone flankers as long as they don't have a pocket somewhere in the cut.
Not immediately, let your supps cook. Most of the support line up can easily win a 1v1 against a genji. But as a tank you have to be aware of how they are faring and at the very least back up if they are getting disrupted as you say. You can't hold space without support so just reset, play closer to your backline, and turn quickly if you're gonna turn on a dive.
I had a game where my tank was Reinhardt who thought LOS was an Asian country, and the enemy tank was a Dva that had a fetish for flanking and killing me specifically.
One of the most frustrating games I've ever had.
aint no way 💀💀💀
I've seen a lot of lower rank tanks are very impatient. They constantly spam for heals while I'm reloading or keep holding forward when they are so low health. It's frustrating. Then you call them out or tell them to play slower then they tilt. Thankfully this tank is learning to play a little slower and make healing them easier for their supports.
i'm a dps main but play support pretty often: nothing makes me happier than when a tank (or anyone for that matter) asks for heals and actually falls back into cover so i can heal them. giving me a "thanks" makes it even better
This is so helpful Emongg thanks! Im a gold tank and I struggle with being too aggressive, not getting enough heals, and my supports dying early. Your comment about how this is partly on me because Im forcing my supports to take dangerous positions to heal me makes perfect sense.
it's always good to keep in mind that you can't control what your teammates do. I'm sure there are games where you are objectively being abandoned by your supports or the support who should primarily focus on you forgets you exist. I'm in diamond and plat lobbies and this still happens sometimes. this won't be every game but I'm sure this does happen from time to time, and you can't control whether it does happen. but you can control whether you give your supports the opportunity to keep you alive by always playing around cover. they might not always use that opportunity to actually keep you alive lol but you've done your part as a teammate by giving them the chance.
and most supports WILL make the most of the opportunity you give them. nobody's perfect, of course, and they're in gold, too, but most of them are trying their best to help you. so by helping them help you, you are also giving yourself a better opportunity to get things done!
Bro I thought low ranked was like gold and below I feel attacked
developers said in season 8 that mid gold is the avg rank so any rank above is higher than average and all ranks lower would be considered below average
@@TrollGuyy Interesting. Then why is Plat low rank?
its all perspective, gm players consider diamond low ranked. players who have hit rank one consider anything under top 100 low ranked. in actuality the curve is fattest in gold, so thats average. plat is a huge climb from the 60th percentile to like the 15th-10th percentile in the bottom of diamond. i dont know what the % for masters and above anymore, but above the 5th
@@FawXnSawX that's interesting information to know
@@FawXnSawX I'm masters and feel like I'm terrible, maybe I'm 5th percentile but it feels more like 50th
I saw in another video someone was talking about how a minimap would be really helpful, especially for tanks, and I hard agree.
Especially as a low level tank player it is so difficult to be aware of where my supports are. Factor in that low level supports are often just in random places, so even if I had game sense (I don't) it wouldn't help much lol.
just look real quick where they are, I do this with support, seeing if i'm gonna be dove, if someoen is gonna dive into their back line and if I can heal them and to see if their team is gonna push us back or not to position good to not get rolled along the way.
Please make a tank guide video! I’m a support main but I’ve recently picked up tank, and it’s been fun but I could definitely use some tips!
It's me, I'm low ranked players 😂
It's ok, we all are here in the comment section.
@@Spluge_McDucktvspeak for yourself bud
@@vex9179 You ain't special lil bro 😭😭
@@juwyria says a metal rank person talking, you’ve probably watched all of emongg videos and still cant improve💀
@@juwyria submit a vod so i can have another laugh
You know what, it feels like they play all the tanks like they play Dva, the Dva gameplay was pretty good though
The first thing I would have liked for Tank is that their bonus health be armor/shields depending on the hero rather than to their normal health. Second is their passive reducing all CC. 3rd if anything would be an overall, every hero eventually getting a passive.
As a gold/plat player, i hate seeing Orisa in my games on either side. Not because shes OP, but because it usually means either 1) Our tank is being gapped and needs a low skill hero to compete, or 2) everyone will just shoot at the enemy orisa the whole game and nobody dies.
This why you need to at least try other roles to understand how much supps can heal and how deadly dps is.
I had one game i picked orisa to use a new skin and immediately i had a bap voice chat/also write in texts: "no, not orisa. She doesnt block bullets. Worst tank ever." Then they started saying more negative and ruder things(i reported after the game was done) and i was like shrug and swapped. Never seen someone get so tilted for someone picking a hero and we had not even left spawn, lol.
I always love people who dont understand the kits of the characters making assumptions. I love getting yelled at as Brig to "stop DPSing and heal". Like, kid, where do you think that consistent healing is coming from? The moon?
@GummyDinosaursify agreed. Brig is my main support lol. I totally understand.
I think Orisa's winrate probably suffers because people tend to switch to her when they're getting rolled.
At the expense of getting bullied off the internet, I wanted to ask a question that hopefully can get answered. Do you guys think having game sense/mechanical skill actually determines rank?
Background: I have an account since OW 1 back in 2016, never been able to climb higher than Silver 3 on supp, or gold 4 on tank (usually bronze 1-2 for both). Just before season 9 started, after a 3 week losing streak, I did the unthinkable and I bought a diamond 4 supp account and haven't looked back. I know I've definitely learned a lot since 2016, from mechanics to game sense, but it never felt like it mattered at the lowest ranks. Not only did I do the stupid thing by buying an account, I also did it right before the hard reset in competitive. So I ended up testing my skills on both accounts- I felt I played the same way (played same characters, playstyle, same time of day, with similar amounts of stress levels coming from my life, etc.), but in my old account I was placed in Bronze 2, but in the bought account I was Diamond 2. Over the course of season 9, going between accounts I stayed in bronze on my 2016 account, and stayed in Diamond in the bought account. When I watch my games back to learn improvements, it seems to me my skills (as support, being versatile in kit/keeping people alive, as tank, making space/protecting supps) don't actually contribute to the game and that whether we win or lose is dependent on the rest of my team. Does this mean that I have to carry more in my bronze games to make a difference, or does this mean that ranked is not actually a measure of your skill? I hope emongg can answer this in a future video, but of course happy to hear y'alls comments too.
First, you need both to a degree. There are gm mains for every hero, you can rank up with mechanics, headshot everyone. Or with Game sense for example playing Winston or rein. But there are also players with great aim that don't rank high because they fail at game sense and when position and timing is off, you end up feeding when you don't group up and always play 1v5.
About the two accounts, someone did the math and you need around 100 games to gain or lose a full rank, that means gold to plat for example. Very roughly speaking. So if you played both accounts for 300 games each, just one role, you might see them move closer together in rank. But there might be some truth to it, there was this streamer doing unranked to gm lifeweaver and he got stuck. Unranked to gm works when you are still in calibration and rise quickly. But when you have many losses and your rank settles, it seems that even a gm could not escape elo hell in short time at least. He made a new account and went gm there. It was all about not having too many losses. And life weaver is a hero that has limited carry power .
The main question is, does one of your accounts have more fun games? Because i see bad games from bronze to masters, with people making really bad plays and mistakes. I don't care about ranking about because it doesn't get better. It's not more fun, not less toxic. Just more stressful when you always have to play top performance. Matchmaking tries to find balanced games so you should win half and lose half. It doesn't matter if silver or diamond, when you are at your rank you lose half of your games, statistically. Only question is if the matches feel better maybe because of more team play or communication.
Yeah I think at some point should consider what reason you play- sure feels good to have bragging rights that you’re a high rank, but if you’re not having fun (which it sounds like you want considering you’ve been playing since 2016) what’s the point? If you’re having fun while not cheating I think you should play whatever gives more fun. @wulfereene gives a good point that it takes a loooooooooooong time to rank up, so if you’re not spending days worth of trying to rank up, you’ll likely stay within the same rank with your history of playing aka 8 years vs 3 months serving as the basis of your rank
I've played as long as you have with the same ranks and I'm still there. I don't play enough but know all the "rules". It's a mix of hardstuck by the mmr and putting in the work. I don't have the energy to do so but if you do you'll eventually climb. I played on a friend's acct and realized being in a higher rank changed nothing but ppl don't stand in the middle of open fields as much lol. So I'm finally content with where I'm at.
game sense and mechanical skill contributes alot into rank determination, however at higher ranks, it does not become either of those only, cuz then you'd also need team contribution, Communication is part of that team contribution that you'd need
@@its-tinyavocado when a silver Support can hold himself in diamond, that is 3 tiers higher, over a longer period, that would indicate that rank is somewhat complicated. By the percentages how players are distributed, silver is below average, and diamond is strongly above. If old numbers still apply, gold was the majority of the player base and diamond would be roughly top 15% or so. If rank assesses skill, a silver player should slowly rank down. He won't lose all games, just more than half. But matchmaking and match randomness have more impact on short term data. You need to have hundreds of games to see your own statistical effect. Everyone had his 5 games win or loss streak. That doesn't mean much. The question is how many out of 300 or so do you win
The counter swap that matters to tank is the support swap
I don’t usually say it, but often I think “this guy doesn’t know how to play tank. I wish he’d go Orisa so he’d at least get baseline value instead of zero value”.
I think the orisa loss rate is probably due to "ok we're losing, I'll go orisa" thinking it's an "I win" button, but they still get rolled because they don't know how to play orisa or that orisa has been played so much people figured out how to counter her.
People tell me to go Orissa all the time and I don’t even know why
She was pretty meta in S9
@bazzfromthebackground3696 Also very annoying 😂. Same with mauga. If they got a good pocket, especially, then it can be fairly hard to kill some games as well, so it's just hope the dps can kill the supports and you try to survive as tank, lol.
Orisa is the tank I go if I notice both my supports are DPS heavy supports. I can usually stall long enough for at least one of them to notice my giant crit healthbar.
19:57 ouch, they didn't get the health pack.
As a low ranker, I don't have people leave when it's situations like 6 and 6, weird people do that tho
Look at where my supports are bahaha, no. BALL TIME, oh I’m low? MEGA. Only ping for heals I do is when I have a Sombra and she hasn’t hacked my mega >:(
Y u jump in the ocean
Don't forget to thank your mega
Gold 1, brink of plat 5 play doomfist mostly. The omment something goes wrong or i pop off it's "swap from doom adn go orisa". It's honestly the orisa show. and she may lose most games because i think she probably has the highest amount of play over any other tank and it probably skews her ratings to be worse to other tanks. possibly.
I like when people ask for heals. It will draw my attention to them in case I don't see them. However, I also have my chats off, so if they are cussing about heals in chat, then no. LOL
As a support I definitely feel like someone actually understands what we go through!
healers gotta commit with their tank, I play Moira a lot for this reason because if a tank is very aggressive and you peel him, it might work, but if you just let him die and let him die like that 5 more times in hope he realizes next time, you lose. Supports are making the play, they are setting the tempo of the game. I'd just suggest swap to Moira and Lucio if your tank is too aggressive and see what happens
I play Brig and I basically just follow my tank around all game (unless they're Doomfist or Ball, obviously). The amount of times I lose simply because the enemy team has both their supports up their tank's butt so my tank essentially cant do anything, is ridiculous.
Supports cannot give all their resources to their tank and then be subjected to the dps not having any and also feeling frustrated lol
@@heartcoma wrong, tank alive => teamfight likely to be win
ASKING for heals isn’t wrong, ASSUMING you will be healed is wrong!
i just unlocked rematra since i took a break from overwatch and i just found out that his block in nemesis form reduces damage
new tank guide sounds like a good watch!
I just don't understand how this tank is plat. Not that I'm saying I'm so much better but I'm definitely not worse. 30-4 top damage and still lose way more than I feel I should.
you're focusing on stats and not your impact. that's the problem. you're preventing yourself from even seeing the main issues because you're mistaking numbers for value.
for example, we've all had that obnoxious dps player who's like "wtf are you guys doing, I got two!" but they fail to realize they got two when the rest of their team was back in spawn and thus, the enemy team still had the numbers advantage and the two picks didn't matter. that dps player is ignoring the overall picture.
damage stats don't matter if, for instance, you ran it down mid trying to kill the enemy Orisa who never fell over while the enemy dps wiped out your backline. elims don't matter if you don't anchor point when you need to or help keep your team alive so there's enough people to capitalize on the elims you're getting.
the team who captures the objectives and pushes cart - and prevents the enemy from doing those things - is the team who wins the game, not the team with the best stats. there MAY be correlation there in many games, but the good stats do not CAUSE the victory. completing the objectives does.
I can't tell you what your biggest obstacles are, but I can say with absolute certainty that you're never going to give yourself an opportunity to identify those obstacles if you use stats as a metric of the value you're contributing.
@@sethescope as tank, if I'm doing all that damage and getting all those kills, that means I'm right there up front and making space. Numbers don't tell the whole story sure but it does tell a lot of it.
@@RantKid you don't have to believe me, but you will keep losing more than you think you should until you are willing to understand that you are both the problem and the solution. it's not easy to hold yourself accountable, but it's the only way to improve and eventually get to a higher rank.
This is lilterally how I feel as a support lmfao.
Yes, plz make an updated tank guide. I am struggling in diamond 1-2
as a gold player people tell me to play rein more than the other tanks
oof is that why I've had people leave my games after a 3-3?
I never sign up all roles because tanking is as it is and I'm sick of having to play counterwatch
i won't lie and say swapping isn't more important on tank than it is on other roles because it's true. BUT. that doesn't mean you should be playing counter watch just because you're on tank. if you are fixating on the tank 1v1, you're missing so much of the bigger picture. it's not about swapping necessarily. it's about knowing how to play your chosen hero with the heroes you have on your team and against the heroes on the enemy team.
for example, you can successfully play dva into zarya IF you understand (1) why zarya is good against dva on paper and (2) how to prevent the zarya from benefiting from that theoretical, on paper advantage.
you can also swap to Winston, for example, if they go Zarya in response to your dva. that is absolutely a choice you can make and will sometimes be the right choice. but sometimes Winston will be the wrong choice against the other four people on the enemy team.
in order to enjoy playing tank and also improve if that's what you're interested in doing, you have to see the bigger picture and understand strengths and weaknesses and you have to work on good decisionmaking
High Zane this is TH-cam.
6:11 truth is spoken
Please i beg you do the new tank guide 😍
0:23 Hi Zayne!
No way im Widowmaker Larreparre TomTheGod was in my gorup. I rly want too do a elo hell vidio i understand the things ur pointing twords.
Yeah, they should be playing ball
ALRIGHT SO!
Sully is a legend. 😂 ❤
As someone who's never really played a "ranked" video game in my life, or anything competitive, and just got into overwatch heavily... Season 9 is garbage for new players. I was in gold for a bit in season 8 and then season 9 hit and I slid right down to silver 4... i left it ONE time to silver 3 and then went right back to silver 4 and have not been able to budge since. I just wanted to hit gold 4 and I wasn't even good enough to do that. Also, there have just as many times when my positioning was pretty good and Im literally 3 feet from both supports but they only heal.. each other? Fricking Zen and Moira players need to stop playing as a DPS character, like okay I get it you're trigger happy, play dps if you want to get 20 elims in a game next time. To say healers aren't the problem at least 33% of the time has to be cap, but I see tons of people in the chat defending healers throughout this video. Healers are not infalliable. I've lost dozens of games simply because Mercy kept reviving me when A) the reason I died is because she refused to heal and only damage boosted, and B) I was actively trying to switch off my character and she kept reviving me 3, 4, sometimes 5 times in a row, therefore locking me down.
I wouldn’t say blame it all on the support because as a gold 2 support which I shouldn’t be honestly smh trust me I get frustrated when I’m being the only healer but then when I’m getting dived on and focused I constantly have to switch to another character the dps or tank gets upset they aren’t getting heals but aren’t helping me….we cannot heal y’all when we’re getting dived on 🤷🏽♀️ sometimes like Emongg said there are people who have bad positioning and there are others who just focus support but if the supports are healing each other it’s possibly because they’re either 1. getting rolled on or 2. Having bad positioning and they’re getting heavily focused
this is the most bronze shit ive ever read in my life
just got into overwatch - upset about performing like you just got into overwatch - heavily focusing on team mistakes instead of own mistakes - recipe for hardstuck low elo
Lol.... diamond tank here.... I would 100% of the time prefer my mercy to damage boost a TON more than heal... also if you need that much healing your positing is terrible and you have zero idea where the health packs are.... figure out where the health packs are and literally pay around them.... if you have 2 supports heal botting and the enemy supports are doing damage your are literally fighting a 3 v 5
No shit you're supports are bad, they're in the same rank as you lol. Just one trick a tank with their own self sustain until you're in diamond or higher. Its that easy.
Unrelated to the video, but my college JV team has faced 4 separate 4.5k teams when we normally play 3.2k to 3.5k ☹️
I need to make a elo hell video I posted 1 video of my gameply if anyone interested in giving me tips I can't get out silver but feel like I shit on most these videos
Emongg us xddd
Am I the only one annoyed by the constant "hello" emotes? It's not cute or funny if you do it 100 times a game
Why do so many trash bronze players spam "hello!" And/or emotes when they actually do something decent after playing like shit the whole game?
100 charge on Zarya used to mean something...🫤