Nowadays when I go to rewatch 5DS, I watch it for Jack and Carly's relationship during the Dark Signer arc. Jack had some amazing character development, I'm sad they backtracked on that in the final season after the DS arc. But oh well...
In the Crow section I am so lost. Why would Bommer/Grieger murder children instead of pursuing his actual revenge? Like he wasn't even going to duel Crow at first until he made up a bomb and Bommer could relate to Crows similar want for vengeance. Like people always say "well Rua fought him once therefore rematch" but none of the motivations really fit. If you have some excuse like Dark Signer power would twist his mind to do it then you might as well keep monkey man instead. Also the team satisfaction vs Godwin duel you have it so all 3 have something to do with Rex. Yusei and him both feel guilt over Zero Reverse. Jack had his life manipulated and put into solitude by Godwin. Crow based his life and dream off Godwin the legendary D wheeler. People say Aki should've been there but why? She barely knows who Godwin is what interesting dynamic is there? Even just the hero team aspect Kiryus death giving some closure and the 3 uniting again to protect Satellite that's cool.
Sayer was supposed to be in another arc where he’s kidnapping psychic kids to add to his army. Akiza was supposed to take Yusei and others to the island to save the kids but Akiza was supposed to be the one take down Sayer. I do agree Crow shouldn’t have been the next signer cause he already was in the manga and Leo deserved to get that Heart of the dragon on his arm.
Except Yusei vs Kiryu round 2 is one of the worst duels in history, and the other two duels Yusei had afterwards, with Godwin and his brother, weren't that great either, but outside of that it's an awesome arc, I agree. Arc Cradle is 100% better though.
Sooo after hearing your 10 points i just would make 1 adjustment It being Crow is still a character but gets absorbed like the other of Yusei's friends by the earthbound immortal. Doesn't kill off the character, still lets the 5 signers be the 5 signers and that's about it XD
Devak was supposed to have an even darker past, so I think he was always supposed to duel Luna. However, if not for crow then Leo could’ve duels griger- would be a rematch and Leo’s livestream dragon counter acts his burn strategy. If this happened Luna also supposedly gets a solo win vs devak
this was honestly great and well thought out! these ideas would definitely give the dark signers and arcadia movement the further development i think they deserve, i always wondered why some characters in this arc were so... i dont know, like filler almost? i didnt even know who devak was for the longest time while watching the show LOL. great video!
Man i have been waiting for this video to come out for a while the dark signers arc does bring back some memories man I haven't re-watched this arc of 5ds since I was a kid when they were still dubbing the arc here and there honestly not going to lie this arc has a lot of flaws that i have never even noticed before until now the things you never noticed when you are watching the arc as a kid here and there growing up at the time man when you was getting pissy about part's of the arc i was like oh boy but all in all good video keep with the good work
The show was good up until the Dark Signers arc. After that, I wouldn't say it was bad but the quality did go down. I think my biggest issue is what they did to Jack's character and his relationship with Carly. It honestly feels like they had two different writing teams working on them. That's the only explanation I can think of to how Jack goes from risking his life for her and basically declaring his love for her to then completely dismissing her. I hated how he was also turned into more of a comic relief character
You should reallly check out Yugioh Sevens. Its the show that I think dethrones 5Ds for me, especially since I dont have to do a "Part 1" thing for it. 92 eps of great respected cast and duels. Go Rush is pretty great too at that, hell I think thats merely the whole point of Bridge to correct Gallops wrongs be a very inclusive show for even the side characters
Art book said he was supposed to be a minor antagonist who tried to steal Yusei's Runner, nothing about him being a Dark Signer, that's entirely made up by fans.
A fan theroy that while untrue does fit quite well, especially with outside of Griger/Bomber and Carly all the EBI were the same type as the main type of the deck, while Misty's Dragon Queen was a Dragon, she used Reptilines which are Reptiles, Roman used Insects, Kalin used Fiends, etc. If Crow was a DS using Wiroqcha, Winged beast worked. Still it was just ever a theory
Holy…YES all this I didn’t know I needed but I need now! Sorry Crow you’re awesome mom bird but yeah you were too awesome and got in the way of some character development
The writers would have needed to make Godwin god dang OP for a 5v1, non turbo duel. (reminder that Wiraqocha functionnaly oneshots in turbo duels, but needs 2 turns if the duelist doesn't crash) I think it would have gone like this : • Godwin goes first and FTK Yusei and Jack (things would be hard to follow with a team of 5) • The remaining characters take their turns and some of them (including Leo) summon a Synchro, no really impressive turns but they stop whatever burn setup Godwin had. • Godwin goes crazy again, loops Wiraqocha (by using the fact it has 1 ATK/DEF) and sets everyone's LP to 1. • Leo pulls out Life Stream Dragon out of thin air and completely walls Godwin. • Godwin summons the King of the Netherworld, but doesn't finish off anyone. • The Duel ends with the summon of the Crimson Dragon by using Life Stream Dragon + Black Rose Dragon + Ancient Fairy Dragon.
I think that if Crow gets dropped there is room for Demak to justify his existence. Rua has more of a connection with Bommer and half the purpose of Crow dueling him that people found appealing was "an [at the time] non-Signer against a Dark Signer." If Crow is cut then there's more room for Demak to become a character and given he and Zeman have a link to the Spirit World he has a reason to 1v1 Ruka. While the Demak duel was really dull and it didn't even have Ruka dueling since the main plot of the episodes was "isekai'd into the Spirit World" it at least gives something for Ruka with her Duel Monster Spirit connection, without it she loses basically the one moment she was actually relevant. And it gives the twins more opportunity to be established outside of the context of being twins. I would just rewrite the Demak episodes to drop the "Ruka in the Spirit World" segment and just make her duel instead. The spirit world plot with Zeman the Ape King could be conveyed in the duel itself with maybe some minimal spirit world segments (or maybe have the entire duel take place in the Spirit World?), and time saved by not needing to jump between the two plots could be used to give Demak's backstory and why he's linked to the Spirits as well.
Gotta be the best Yu gi oh i love how its made the charachters the story and real wourlds brutality + technology from the future that can become reality also this is all incorporated into the "kids card game" anime
It is kinda silly how easy it was not to mess up with 5DS. The easiest way to not mess Carly up was to...not revive her. The easiest way to make Crow way less messed up is to just not make him a signer. The easiest way to make Divine more satisfying is to just not revive him...again.(Seriously, I thought supplementary material is supposed to enhance, not destroy) And there of course are several duels were Yusei could have just lost without any narrative change...which yeah, the writers being allergic to giving Yusei losses outside of flashbacks is an actual issue.
6:40 Greiger isnt black, he's Native American. Alot of cartoons just give dark brown skin to non white/asian characters instead of thier proper pigmentation like the Simpons and King of the Hill
I'm always hesitant to discuss 5D's because my opinion of the show can be summarized with "it ended at Dark Signers". To me, everything that comes afterward is too different to be considered part of the same show... but I've been vilified for this opinion before, so it isn't something I like to mention. Dark Signers wasn't perfect either, of course. I think most people with a critical eye can see what the problem with Crow is. That being said, it at least tries to remain consistent with itself, and I still consider it the absolute peak of Yu-Gi-Oh as a whole (with the stuff afterward dragging down 5D's compared to other series). Just because of these issues, to me, the closest to perfection was Zexal. And even it had some serious problems that are obvious to a critical eye... so really, the whole series is full of problems. lol
@@SevensDran I watched one episode of Sevens, and for my sanity's sake, I was unable to continue. I would prefer not to talk about it. As for how I feel about the show... I love the first part of 5D's (up to the end of Dark Signers), even if I do have some minor gripes with it (mostly related to Crow). Zexal is my second favorite YGO behind Arc-V, and I think it's probably better than Arc-V, but I just like Arc-V more than Zexal.
@@gyppygirl2021 "for my sanity's sake" over an entry to a childrens card game franchise, maybe you should go to a doctor for that anyways, Sevens is imo the best show in years, surpassing 5Ds and Zexal, there's lots of love behind
@@SevensDran Yeah, I could barely make my way through a single episode because it was so thoroughly unpleasant to me. Sorry, but I have to disagree here.
To be honest I loved 5ds but there were soooo many flaws and issues also Yusei as a main character just wasent up to par even tho I still think he was great too
I honestly don't care for 5ds. a protag that never loses or duel not finished is an easy way to not be invested. there's no real growth from your losses.
@@Cardlimits that wasn't a loss, he just lost to time at a point where he had the upper hand. It's not like there was any growth from this moment. On the other hand Yusei does lose in 5D's. His entire motivation at the beginning of the series is due to him having lost to jack, and then he has a lot of character growth from his duel with Kiryu, which while it didn't technically finish, was regarded as a loss by everyone in that same series. He also has a rematch with Jack in season 3 where he's so disturbed by yliaster's power he would have lost had Jack not interrupted it, and it made him realize his mistakes
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GREAT SANS LOGIC YUGIOH DARK SIGNER VIDEO,
Well it's not jadens fault he just wanted smoke
Nowadays when I go to rewatch 5DS, I watch it for Jack and Carly's relationship during the Dark Signer arc. Jack had some amazing character development, I'm sad they backtracked on that in the final season after the DS arc. But oh well...
Turns out they had to sideline Carly after DS is because her Japanese VA was part of a cult
In the Crow section I am so lost. Why would Bommer/Grieger murder children instead of pursuing his actual revenge? Like he wasn't even going to duel Crow at first until he made up a bomb and Bommer could relate to Crows similar want for vengeance. Like people always say "well Rua fought him once therefore rematch" but none of the motivations really fit. If you have some excuse like Dark Signer power would twist his mind to do it then you might as well keep monkey man instead.
Also the team satisfaction vs Godwin duel you have it so all 3 have something to do with Rex. Yusei and him both feel guilt over Zero Reverse. Jack had his life manipulated and put into solitude by Godwin. Crow based his life and dream off Godwin the legendary D wheeler. People say Aki should've been there but why? She barely knows who Godwin is what interesting dynamic is there? Even just the hero team aspect Kiryus death giving some closure and the 3 uniting again to protect Satellite that's cool.
5ds had the best dub opaning ever
Hyperdrive is such a bop
Apart from DM, Vrains and Sevens all dub openings are great.
@@TylenArcher-c1eNot the DM opening hate! 😭
Do you know the alternate openings who competed against hyperdrive on the 4Kids side to become the official opening ?
Luna was supposed to be a prodiggy but in all her duels, even in the bad half of the show, the most she does is to summon her dragon
Sayer was supposed to be in another arc where he’s kidnapping psychic kids to add to his army. Akiza was supposed to take Yusei and others to the island to save the kids but Akiza was supposed to be the one take down Sayer.
I do agree Crow shouldn’t have been the next signer cause he already was in the manga and Leo deserved to get that Heart of the dragon on his arm.
5ds up to ep 64 is the best the whole yugioh anime has to offer
Don't forget Battle City and the Dimension World Arc from GX! Those were also VERY good!
Absolutely phenomenal video.
The dark signers arc was the best piece of Yu-Gi-Oh Media we've ever had, fight me.
Except Yusei vs Kiryu round 2 is one of the worst duels in history, and the other two duels Yusei had afterwards, with Godwin and his brother, weren't that great either, but outside of that it's an awesome arc, I agree. Arc Cradle is 100% better though.
@@genyakozlov1316 i'v never heard this take before.
Why would you think the rematch is one of the worst duels in history?
Battle City and Dimension World from GX says hello!
Sooo after hearing your 10 points i just would make 1 adjustment
It being Crow is still a character but gets absorbed like the other of Yusei's friends by the earthbound immortal.
Doesn't kill off the character, still lets the 5 signers be the 5 signers and that's about it XD
Devak was supposed to have an even darker past, so I think he was always supposed to duel Luna. However, if not for crow then Leo could’ve duels griger- would be a rematch and Leo’s livestream dragon counter acts his burn strategy. If this happened Luna also supposedly gets a solo win vs devak
this was honestly great and well thought out! these ideas would definitely give the dark signers and arcadia movement the further development i think they deserve, i always wondered why some characters in this arc were so... i dont know, like filler almost? i didnt even know who devak was for the longest time while watching the show LOL. great video!
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The show was good up until the Dark Signers arc. After that, I wouldn't say it was bad but the quality did go down. I think my biggest issue is what they did to Jack's character and his relationship with Carly. It honestly feels like they had two different writing teams working on them. That's the only explanation I can think of to how Jack goes from risking his life for her and basically declaring his love for her to then completely dismissing her. I hated how he was also turned into more of a comic relief character
So they actually had to sideline Carly the next season because her Japanese VA was part of a cult
@@vulpixle9659 That was proven to be false
You should reallly check out Yugioh Sevens. Its the show that I think dethrones 5Ds for me, especially since I dont have to do a "Part 1" thing for it. 92 eps of great respected cast and duels. Go Rush is pretty great too at that, hell I think thats merely the whole point of Bridge to correct Gallops wrongs be a very inclusive show for even the side characters
Considering the fact Crow was supposed to be a dark signer at first no wonder why his importance felt so "forced", mf wasn't supposed to be a good guy
Art book said he was supposed to be a minor antagonist who tried to steal Yusei's Runner, nothing about him being a Dark Signer, that's entirely made up by fans.
@@genyakozlov1316yup
A fan theroy that while untrue does fit quite well, especially with outside of Griger/Bomber and Carly all the EBI were the same type as the main type of the deck, while Misty's Dragon Queen was a Dragon, she used Reptilines which are Reptiles, Roman used Insects, Kalin used Fiends, etc. If Crow was a DS using Wiroqcha, Winged beast worked. Still it was just ever a theory
Holy…YES all this I didn’t know I needed but I need now! Sorry Crow you’re awesome mom bird but yeah you were too awesome and got in the way of some character development
The writers would have needed to make Godwin god dang OP for a 5v1, non turbo duel. (reminder that Wiraqocha functionnaly oneshots in turbo duels, but needs 2 turns if the duelist doesn't crash)
I think it would have gone like this :
• Godwin goes first and FTK Yusei and Jack (things would be hard to follow with a team of 5)
• The remaining characters take their turns and some of them (including Leo) summon a Synchro, no really impressive turns but they stop whatever burn setup Godwin had.
• Godwin goes crazy again, loops Wiraqocha (by using the fact it has 1 ATK/DEF) and sets everyone's LP to 1.
• Leo pulls out Life Stream Dragon out of thin air and completely walls Godwin.
• Godwin summons the King of the Netherworld, but doesn't finish off anyone.
• The Duel ends with the summon of the Crimson Dragon by using Life Stream Dragon + Black Rose Dragon + Ancient Fairy Dragon.
Would’ve been too early for lifestreaam
I think that if Crow gets dropped there is room for Demak to justify his existence. Rua has more of a connection with Bommer and half the purpose of Crow dueling him that people found appealing was "an [at the time] non-Signer against a Dark Signer." If Crow is cut then there's more room for Demak to become a character and given he and Zeman have a link to the Spirit World he has a reason to 1v1 Ruka. While the Demak duel was really dull and it didn't even have Ruka dueling since the main plot of the episodes was "isekai'd into the Spirit World" it at least gives something for Ruka with her Duel Monster Spirit connection, without it she loses basically the one moment she was actually relevant. And it gives the twins more opportunity to be established outside of the context of being twins.
I would just rewrite the Demak episodes to drop the "Ruka in the Spirit World" segment and just make her duel instead. The spirit world plot with Zeman the Ape King could be conveyed in the duel itself with maybe some minimal spirit world segments (or maybe have the entire duel take place in the Spirit World?), and time saved by not needing to jump between the two plots could be used to give Demak's backstory and why he's linked to the Spirits as well.
I love it,you got everything right
when I was a kid, I had the biggest crush on the female dark signers
Gotta be the best Yu gi oh
i love how its made the charachters the story and real wourlds brutality + technology from the future that can become reality
also this is all incorporated into the "kids card game" anime
I didn't watch the new show Go Rush, but the new female lead character has a good arc, from what I saw on the net.
It is kinda silly how easy it was not to mess up with 5DS. The easiest way to not mess Carly up was to...not revive her. The easiest way to make Crow way less messed up is to just not make him a signer. The easiest way to make Divine more satisfying is to just not revive him...again.(Seriously, I thought supplementary material is supposed to enhance, not destroy) And there of course are several duels were Yusei could have just lost without any narrative change...which yeah, the writers being allergic to giving Yusei losses outside of flashbacks is an actual issue.
Theres a backlog of history behind why it wasnt so easy to not mess up 5Ds. Most of it comes from corporate meddling.
Damn best fanfic ever
I like Crow but it's actually crazy how unnecessary he is to the series
And his blackwing deck is so fun
Ok i like the idea of Team 5ds facing Goodwin is cool but how would it work?
6:40 Greiger isnt black, he's Native American. Alot of cartoons just give dark brown skin to non white/asian characters instead of thier proper pigmentation like the Simpons and King of the Hill
I like it
Bastian got made into a simp.
shit talking my boy Crow will be met with extremely angry comments, be warned
You're goddann right
I'm always hesitant to discuss 5D's because my opinion of the show can be summarized with "it ended at Dark Signers". To me, everything that comes afterward is too different to be considered part of the same show... but I've been vilified for this opinion before, so it isn't something I like to mention.
Dark Signers wasn't perfect either, of course. I think most people with a critical eye can see what the problem with Crow is. That being said, it at least tries to remain consistent with itself, and I still consider it the absolute peak of Yu-Gi-Oh as a whole (with the stuff afterward dragging down 5D's compared to other series).
Just because of these issues, to me, the closest to perfection was Zexal. And even it had some serious problems that are obvious to a critical eye... so really, the whole series is full of problems. lol
Sevens exists.
Also what critical eye, do you love the show or not, a "critical eye" can say anything, they aren't unbiased
@@SevensDran I watched one episode of Sevens, and for my sanity's sake, I was unable to continue. I would prefer not to talk about it.
As for how I feel about the show... I love the first part of 5D's (up to the end of Dark Signers), even if I do have some minor gripes with it (mostly related to Crow). Zexal is my second favorite YGO behind Arc-V, and I think it's probably better than Arc-V, but I just like Arc-V more than Zexal.
@@gyppygirl2021 "for my sanity's sake" over an entry to a childrens card game franchise, maybe you should go to a doctor for that
anyways, Sevens is imo the best show in years, surpassing 5Ds and Zexal, there's lots of love behind
@@SevensDran Yeah, I could barely make my way through a single episode because it was so thoroughly unpleasant to me. Sorry, but I have to disagree here.
To be honest I loved 5ds but there were soooo many flaws and issues also Yusei as a main character just wasent up to par even tho I still think he was great too
It was perfect until after the dark signers arc.
that not racist caught me so off guard lol
And another thing Leo Luna and akiza don’t ride duel runners so how would they duel Goodwin lol your logic doesn’t work my guy
There was no reason for the duel to be a turbo one so just make it a standing duel
@@sanslogic23 it would not make sense for it to be a standing duel in a series about duel runners
As soon I saw they dueling while driving bikes turn it off gx or old yu gi oh is way way better
Yugioh GX was the best, just wish they made the final season in English 😢
Honestly 5ds part 2 is better
I honestly don't care for 5ds. a protag that never loses or duel not finished is an easy way to not be invested. there's no real growth from your losses.
Dark signer arc shoot most of the show has probably the thickest plot armor then Yugi myself
Yugi in the manga never loses. The only reason he lost in the leviathan arc was because it was supposed to be filler.
@@gkarak1996 yugi lost to Pegasus in episode two.
@@Cardlimits that wasn't a loss, he just lost to time at a point where he had the upper hand. It's not like there was any growth from this moment.
On the other hand Yusei does lose in 5D's. His entire motivation at the beginning of the series is due to him having lost to jack, and then he has a lot of character growth from his duel with Kiryu, which while it didn't technically finish, was regarded as a loss by everyone in that same series. He also has a rematch with Jack in season 3 where he's so disturbed by yliaster's power he would have lost had Jack not interrupted it, and it made him realize his mistakes
@@bigfish5544 yes it was a lost, higher life when the time runs out counts. you have to play at an event outside your house to know that.
Thanks, dearest algorithm, for showing me this masterpiece of an essay, YES🩷
These are all the reasons why I'm writing 5D's fanfictions, ahahaha
That means so much to me, thank you 😊 ❤️
@@sanslogic23What will you call your Fanfiction.