You know what… I definitely agree as I I have driven a 3sg powered Toyota and while it pulled awesome, the gear head on me felt the ratio could have been a little more pleasant if it was tweaked a little so wow atleast what I suspected wasn’t cuz I was biased to Honda LOL! Same with the 2zz a swap I’ve driven reminded me how a B18c pulls Cool stuff here!
now thats a reaction time! 😏 thanks Man! and the detailed DM i have is more specific to the 13.5sec lightning u guys did :) but in general it is useful for your guys on other cars too!
Keyword is "Powerband" ❤️ that is why i always encourage friends to go to the dyno (at least for the one who want to get a bit more serious) and at least have a base run to have an idea kahit street tuned pa yan.
YES!!! even that "term" barely exists now "powerband" so sad... and i agree on even just a baserun big help sha... i wanted to say in the vid but i forgot 🤣 that If someone says u need this or 4.7 is better? ask them why cuz 99.9% of the time all theyd say is "cuz of the" ...final drive 🙃
Great overview about gear ratios and powerband/dyno graph. Would be interesting to see analysis of gear ratio from 4.4 trans with the final drive changed to 4.7.
Actually that is my fav 😂 I didn’t wish to lengthen the vid but I was meaning to say those who have a 4.4 maybe sell it to those in 4.2 and this let’s u upgrade ur final drive to 4.7 from Mfactory and still keep a closer ratio The analysis is the same as the 4.4 as the gear drops remain the same just u gon gun it quicker 😎
I just picked up what's supposed to be a GSR hydro transmission. Is there a 100% definite way to distinguish the GSR from a LS transmission? Unfortunately my transmission doesn't have the bar code sticker or any other identification information. The guy I bought it off of said that the RPMs in 5th gear matched up to what people stated that a gsr transmission should be running in 5th but idk how to verify for sure. I've had people tell me to count the teeth on the ring gear but I'm not sure to be honest. I'm not a transmission guy but I know engines lol. Thanks for any help, information etc.
I think yeah an LS 5th is longer u could prolly get it into 5th gear and count the axle rotation to the diff rotation but would be easier to remove the cover and count gears The dseries tranny videos I have here I counted the gear ratios = that’s the same way u can do it and same math
Yes I think the VTi/b16a2 there is the s4c one which is the same as the ITR 4.4 but it has lsd So I can imagine you are correct! On how it felt driving it! :)
@@SRDmotorsports s4c for ek4 and y21 for eg6. In my eg6 i had the b18c6 with the y21 and its was very fast up graring up. In the S80 gear box from 3 to 4 is has a big drop in rpm.
@@picole321 yes the s80 has the gears I talked about that’s in the TypeR 4.7 It makes it “okay” because it’s 4.7 but the rpm distance or drop is still massive
hmm that’s hard to tell but do check Mfactory’s gear calculator + what usual mph do u hit the finish line? Check both 4.7 and 4.9 calculations there What rpm u cross the finish line ideally u cross on or slightly after your peak power
I got a b18c1 hydro myself on the storage for future use, however I don’t have the 5th LS which is a good addition as my friend has is on his and it’s more than decent especially on “freeway” use daily so it’s def a good one for daily
@@SRDmotorsports couldn't agree more boss chief hahaha. Besides daily ko pa naman yung ongoing project. Dun lang muna tayo sa budget friendly hahaha. But as what you told me with a proper build, sohc engines are enjoyable 🙂
@@midnightkaiju oh definitely enjoyable there’s a reason why I still wanna max out the d16a6 , I came from a b18c then b20vtec and coulda done another but I figured the unfinished project me and Bong had as an esi has enough reason to continue and finish properly especially now we can share videos it’s better timing
Grabe so in the end, the two transmissions don't differ much! dapat lang swak and matching yung power band mo. Hehehe Sa playstation gran tursimo at doon sa android na drag racing game ko lang naexperience dati yan hehe Thank you for sharing your 20% knowledge. alriiight
Well they differ in a sense na the 4.7 TypeR drops more rpm shifting “into” 4th But in the end yes the powerband is more Important to relate to the gear/transmission
@@lyanbv well mas mahal ung 4.7 dohc 🤣 kya i wonder hmm id just sell my 4.4 final drive nun and get mfactory 4.7 and keep the good closer gear ratio hmmmm
For years I tried so hard to explain this to people. Everyone claims the 4.7 is better. But the 4.4 has less lag and closes the gap hard between 3rd to 4th. Even in bestmotoring scenarios when they compared the 96 and 98 type R. The 96 itr closes the gap 3rd to 4th gear.
I currently have a b20vtec 228hp and 4.9 final, broke my final drive and have a 4:4 available will it make that much of a difference? It’s for 1/8 mile drag racing only
I have a B16 transmission with Ls 5th. But since I'm going turbo I'm looking to lengthen the gears a little more. I'm wondering if I should get the 4.7 or 4.9 final?
Changing to a 4.7 just depends on a lot of things like I’ve shown on the video… does the powerband require it? Is the rpm high enough to take advantage of? SiR has a similar CTR gear ratio which means the ITR 4.4 to have better ratio not the final drive the gears itself 3rd 4th and 5th
Bro I have a question LSD for trans itr 97 4.4 and itr 98 4.7 what the different both of them and how to identify? Maybe itr97 is 1 way LSD and itr98 is 2 way LSD? It make me confused 🤣
One question i have after watching your video on the importance of using all the available torque in every gear is why guys would run ultra short gears. It seems max torque drops off well before max hp so if you have short gears your torque would drop off too soon especially after 8 8.5 k rpm. Also whats the best budget clone style header out there? Thanks boss!
True on max torque but it’s a fine line to decide on just like let’s say a cbr1000RR bike would easily whoop a d16 that has 600cc more even with less torque cuz rpm :) stateside/US earlier was the PLM ones as far as decent header but lemme check what’s more common and sought after nowadays
@@SRDmotorsports i think im understanding it more now..with shorter gears after a shift i guess you will be at maximum torque then the rpms will take over:) sickk
Boss tanong laang ano kaya issue nung tranny ko bseries pag asa rekta na takbo na ako 5th gear then babalik ako sa pababang gear medyo maganit sya then mawawala sya sa pag ganit pag wala na sa 5th
@@fhonzyluisgarcia2039 ah if replaced na? Then that too… it’s not always bolt on cuz many think “synchro” like bearing = kabit lng A lot of times the engagement teeth and cone has to match to help it shift easy I’ve seen a lot of those “nagpalit synchro tech “ and still easy mis shift lol but if it runs ok naman? It should be fine I guess
Ah okok maraming salamat po naliwanagan po ako sa suggestion ninyo gawa papo kayo video about tranny grinding issue hehehe subscriber po ako viewer all the time.
I just remembered seeing this video a while back; the story seems similar to the grudge match you told me about when it comes to shifting into 4th gear: th-cam.com/video/2cNq7Hn9h60/w-d-xo.html
This is a nice 2nd part considering the success of the previous video. You got my like here. :) Keep up.
Yes sir I agree it helps most on gear ratio
@@SRDmotorsports Yeah, will you work on some V6 engine?
@@RRRRefuelRideRace v6 here is not very common sadly
@@SRDmotorsports I know. To expensive and drinks fuel in comparison to the 4 cyl. engines. :)
@@RRRRefuelRideRace oh yes thats true!
Nice video and info mate!! I got s80 4.7 gear ratio with the 4th gear of 4.4 and runs good 👌(5th for Highway) 😂
Sorry for my english im from Spain
Oh nice transmission set up you have! And good 5th for highway is still the 4.7 s80 niceee
cool stuff. this is what toyota lacks in their 2zz and 3sge fwd platforms. Now I know what i need to do for my 3sge redtop build.
You know what… I definitely agree as I I have driven a 3sg powered Toyota and while it pulled awesome, the gear head on me felt the ratio could have been a little more pleasant if it was tweaked a little so wow atleast what I suspected wasn’t cuz I was biased to Honda LOL!
Same with the 2zz a swap I’ve driven reminded me how a B18c pulls
Cool stuff here!
first comment😁..thank you sir for this video, we will sure have a talk with this with the boys
now thats a reaction time! 😏 thanks Man! and the detailed DM i have is more specific to the 13.5sec lightning u guys did :) but in general it is useful for your guys on other cars too!
@@SRDmotorsports hopefuly ma try namin sa 4.7 tranny ko but with diffrent engine specs
@@the063one nice yes yes
Keyword is "Powerband" ❤️ that is why i always encourage friends to go to the dyno (at least for the one who want to get a bit more serious) and at least have a base run to have an idea kahit street tuned pa yan.
YES!!! even that "term" barely exists now "powerband" so sad... and i agree on even just a baserun big help sha... i wanted to say in the vid but i forgot 🤣 that
If someone says u need this or 4.7 is better? ask them why cuz 99.9% of the time all theyd say is "cuz of the" ...final drive 🙃
Great overview about gear ratios and powerband/dyno graph. Would be interesting to see analysis of gear ratio from 4.4 trans with the final drive changed to 4.7.
Actually that is my fav 😂 I didn’t wish to lengthen the vid but I was meaning to say those who have a 4.4 maybe sell it to those in 4.2 and this let’s u upgrade ur final drive to 4.7 from Mfactory and still keep a closer ratio
The analysis is the same as the 4.4 as the gear drops remain the same just u gon gun it quicker 😎
Very good info 🤙❤
Fo Sho to help prevent unnecessary cost
I just picked up what's supposed to be a GSR hydro transmission. Is there a 100% definite way to distinguish the GSR from a LS transmission? Unfortunately my transmission doesn't have the bar code sticker or any other identification information. The guy I bought it off of said that the RPMs in 5th gear matched up to what people stated that a gsr transmission should be running in 5th but idk how to verify for sure. I've had people tell me to count the teeth on the ring gear but I'm not sure to be honest. I'm not a transmission guy but I know engines lol. Thanks for any help, information etc.
I think yeah an LS 5th is longer
u could prolly get it into 5th gear and count the axle rotation to the diff rotation but would be easier to remove the cover and count gears
The dseries tranny videos I have here I counted the gear ratios = that’s the same way u can do it and same math
Always liked the VTI/b16a2 gear box. The only thing missing is the limited slip differential.
Yes I think the VTi/b16a2 there is the s4c one which is the same as the ITR 4.4 but it has lsd
So I can imagine you are correct! On how it felt driving it! :)
@@SRDmotorsports s4c for ek4 and y21 for eg6. In my eg6 i had the b18c6 with the y21 and its was very fast up graring up. In the S80 gear box from 3 to 4 is has a big drop in rpm.
@@picole321 yes the s80 has the gears I talked about that’s in the TypeR 4.7
It makes it “okay” because it’s 4.7 but the rpm distance or drop is still massive
I have 265 hp all motor b series 1600 pound crx. Should I go with 4.9 or 4.7? For 1/8 mile drags
hmm that’s hard to tell but do check Mfactory’s gear calculator + what usual mph do u hit the finish line?
Check both 4.7 and 4.9 calculations there
What rpm u cross the finish line
ideally u cross on or slightly after your peak power
Ysk2 gearbox from what engine?
I don’t know
What’s your opinion on the B18C1 hydro transmission with LSD and LS 5th gear installed for a daily?
I got a b18c1 hydro myself on the storage for future use, however I don’t have the 5th LS which is a good addition as my friend has is on his and it’s more than decent especially on “freeway” use daily so it’s def a good one for daily
Present boss chief woot woot 🙌 learned a lot again today. 😁 so should i go dohc or should i stay sohc 🤔
thats always the best question!
but with this video and all it might Hint you on how a SOHC can hold its own against a dohc hmmmm for lesser cost lol
@@SRDmotorsports then i will retain the current build for my project boss lols hahaha lakas ng convincing powers mo hahaha
@@midnightkaiju financially kase it makes sense unless u are gunning for fastest all motor in Clark anything else a song is fine eh
@@SRDmotorsports couldn't agree more boss chief hahaha. Besides daily ko pa naman yung ongoing project. Dun lang muna tayo sa budget friendly hahaha. But as what you told me with a proper build, sohc engines are enjoyable 🙂
@@midnightkaiju oh definitely enjoyable there’s a reason why I still wanna max out the d16a6 , I came from a b18c then b20vtec and coulda done another but I figured the unfinished project me and Bong had as an esi has enough reason to continue and finish properly especially now we can share videos it’s better timing
Hello i have a question sir! Is a 4.4 type r final drive is bolt-on when i actually plan to transfer it to my s80 4.7 type r transmission?
Yes shaft and gear is bolt on not just differential gear (a lot of locals try changing just that)
@@SRDmotorsports so the lsd in the 4.4 is not bolt on to the 4.7 vice versa? Thank you again sir!
@@edward08coqs it is… the ring gear of the 4.4 is bolt on to the 4.7 so it’s ring gear + input shaft that u exchange
4.7 ITR s80 Sings from 1st to 4th great n/a gearbox 4.4 / 4.2 better for boost
You got it ftw!
I have 265 hp all motor b series 1600 pound crx. Should I go with 4.9 or 4.7? For 1/8 mile drags
Grabe so in the end, the two transmissions don't differ much! dapat lang swak and matching yung power band mo. Hehehe Sa playstation gran tursimo at doon sa android na drag racing game ko lang naexperience dati yan hehe Thank you for sharing your 20% knowledge. alriiight
Well they differ in a sense na the 4.7 TypeR drops more rpm shifting “into” 4th
But in the end yes the powerband is more
Important to relate to the gear/transmission
@@SRDmotorsports Oo nga. pero yung effect-per-pesospent di pala ganun ka laki difference
@@lyanbv well mas mahal ung 4.7 dohc 🤣 kya i wonder
hmm id just sell my 4.4 final drive nun and get mfactory 4.7 and keep the good closer gear ratio hmmmm
@@lyanbv ay yes yes
But u could also either go faster or slower so mas imperative to analyze better hihihi
For years I tried so hard to explain this to people. Everyone claims the 4.7 is better. But the 4.4 has less lag and closes the gap hard between 3rd to 4th. Even in bestmotoring scenarios when they compared the 96 and 98 type R. The 96 itr closes the gap 3rd to 4th gear.
yep!
I currently have a b20vtec 228hp and 4.9 final, broke my final drive and have a 4:4 available will it make that much of a difference? It’s for 1/8 mile drag racing only
I have a B16 transmission with Ls 5th. But since I'm going turbo I'm looking to lengthen the gears a little more. I'm wondering if I should get the 4.7 or 4.9 final?
Higher final drive number = shorter/lower gears btw
Yea jus understood so now I’ll be lookin into the 4.2 final
That’s cool good luck and have fun man!
How bout a stock 4.2 SiR tranny with Mfactory 4.7 FD and LSD on a B20V sir. Would it still be better if I change to a whole Type R tranyn? Thanks!
Changing to a 4.7 just depends on a lot of things like I’ve shown on the video… does the powerband require it? Is the rpm high enough to take advantage of?
SiR has a similar CTR gear ratio which means the ITR 4.4 to have better ratio not the final drive the gears itself 3rd 4th and 5th
Bro I have a question LSD for trans itr 97 4.4 and itr 98 4.7 what the different both of them and how to identify? Maybe itr97 is 1 way LSD and itr98 is 2 way LSD? It make me confused 🤣
Oh not quite sure how to tell I mean the difference that’s easy to tell is the ring gear but that’s mainly to differentiate final drive lol
@@SRDmotorsports tq bro 👍🏻
@@nizamshah9753 no worries man
One question i have after watching your video on the importance of using all the available torque in every gear is why guys would run ultra short gears. It seems max torque drops off well before max hp so if you have short gears your torque would drop off too soon especially after 8 8.5 k rpm. Also whats the best budget clone style header out there? Thanks boss!
True on max torque but it’s a fine line to decide on just like let’s say a cbr1000RR bike would easily whoop a d16 that has 600cc more even with less torque cuz rpm :)
stateside/US earlier was the PLM ones as far as decent header but lemme check what’s more common and sought after nowadays
@@SRDmotorsports i think im understanding it more now..with shorter gears after a shift i guess you will be at maximum torque then the rpms will take over:) sickk
@@dawsonmacie6984 yes sir! Cuz of our gears by that time rpm is what Carries beyond :) into a speeding ticket lol!!!
Boss tanong laang ano kaya issue nung tranny ko bseries pag asa rekta na takbo na ako 5th gear then babalik ako sa pababang gear medyo maganit sya then mawawala sya sa pag ganit pag wala na sa 5th
4-5th synchro
Almost new pa po idol eh
Any lead pa kaya po sa ibang parts niya or pinangagalingan pa ng issue nayun??
@@fhonzyluisgarcia2039 ah if replaced na? Then that too… it’s not always bolt on cuz many think “synchro” like bearing = kabit lng
A lot of times the engagement teeth and cone has to match to help it shift easy
I’ve seen a lot of those “nagpalit synchro tech “ and still easy mis shift lol
but if it runs ok naman? It should be fine I guess
Ah okok maraming salamat po naliwanagan po ako sa suggestion ninyo gawa papo kayo video about tranny grinding issue hehehe subscriber po ako viewer all the time.
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Thaaanks amigo
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Thanks for checking this too brother! The crv tranny is 4.5final drive just never had a chance to count the gear ratio sadly but curious as heck!
I just remembered seeing this video a while back; the story seems similar to the grudge match you told me about when it comes to shifting into 4th gear: th-cam.com/video/2cNq7Hn9h60/w-d-xo.html
.041 difference in the video and .051 in the grudge match (98 spec on 215/45/16 tires though)
Wow I’ve seen that video but I didn’t quite connect it to exactly what you did and dayum! The 96 spec (closer 4th) did “something” 😎
Everyone knows 4.9 are king hahahab
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