5 Shotguns I Would Never Buy and Why?!
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- Shotguns bring a tremendous firepower to a normally short fight. They are dangerous for everyone and everything on the bad end of them. However, there are some shotguns that are so cheaply made or so poorly designed that they are dangerous for the shooter. Others might be less dangerous for the one pulling the trigger but similar so for whatever they are aimed at.
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While the experience may suffer slightly, I have found that sometimes a cheap shotgun can be a great acquisition.
#1: I don't care if they get abused a little. So long as they function under normal maintenance, they're convenient and if they go bad, they haven't cost you much. Example: Charles Daly 20ga pump in camo synthetic stock. It's Remington knock off and showed how cheaply an 870 can be made and still function. 20yrs later, the old Charles Daly seems to about the same quality as a newer 870.
#2: Nobody wants to steal them because they lack value.
#3: They become great gifts or hand-me-downs. Handing a young child or even a young adult a fancy Browning with a Grade III stock on it will make most gun owners cringe. "Don't scratch or ding it. That is a work of art!" You can hand over a functioning, low-cost shotgun and feel at ease. Who cares if they bump the stock? It's synthetic or already beat, in most cases.
#4: Confidence is everything. I do have shotguns that price near $2k, but it's also been my experience that it's entirely possible to do your best shooting with the least expensive firearm. Referring back to a year 2000 purchase of the Charles Daly 20ga pump. I can count on hitting 20 of 25 rounds using an extra-full choke - minimum. Enter the Beretta A400. It cost a whole lot more and did not pattern center. I have friends that also have had to adjust to this. "Once you learn it, it's great!" Who wants that? Why are we so impressed the fit and finish vs out of the box accuracy? The Daly gets 20-25 hits per box of 25rds. The Beretta gets between 16-20 per 25rds. Seems odd to buy such an expensive model and still reach for the $200 pump I bought 23 years ago, whether I'm shooting a few clays are chasing down a few birds.
Actually, I'm shocked. I figured this video would feature Turkish guns(Hatfield) or Rossi's. Interesting to know, I own an old Rossi(wooden furniture and no safety) .410 and it goes bang every time I pull the trigger. I bought a newer Hatfield in the same gauge. Seems a bit heavier than the Rossi. Get back to you in 20 years to see how that goes...
I'm with you, I used to work for Westley Richards so I know a quality shotgun but my personal choice has been inexpensive working man's guns.
I guess the value of Charles daily either jumped after your comment or your sadly confused on cheap cheap to me is mossberg maverick 88 yildez or Hatfields I could but one of all three brands at the same price as one Charles daily
Agreed. I have several high end shotguns valued at over $1000 and two worth over $2000. My favorite shotgun to actually use is a Winchester SXP. Great reliable gun, the recoil is near that of a semi-auto, and the gun costs under $300 so I have fun with it and don't feel like I'm handling a fragile work of art. When my wife wanted to get into clays, I didn't even hesitate and bought her the SXP compact.
@kennethgoin628, well spoken. I have encountered some people who had to have the best of everything. It doesn't mean all that much if it doesn't work right, or if it's just a showpiece. Take care.
The images you show in this video frequently have nothing to do with the narrative. I tried to ignore that, but I give up. Thumbs down.
It’s everyone of his videos it such a joke that he had a big following
@@TomOfOhHiOh Hahaha! No shit!!!
Only because of your interest in the subject. The use of generic video to illustrate a narrative is as old as the documentary. Visual stimulus to supplant the audio and visaversa as required to meet the clock.
I agree about the image, the top shotgun is a Remington 1100 special field and it’s an outstanding shotgun and I don’t appreciate the Insinuation that it isn’t.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 yeah.....sure.
Nothing wrong with the Boito Double barrel shotguns, except some snobs did not like the inexpensive price. They think if a shotgun does not cost $1000 it is not safe! I bought one for $85 in 1975. Still have it. I recently converted it into a very nice coach gun!
My first 12 gauge gun was a boito hammerless double. Didn't miss a beat and after getting used to it, never missed a target. He didn't really have much negative to say about it except that it was a cheap gun. He did say they didn't work well and then couldn't say why. There's not much that can go wrong with a double with extractors, not ejectors.
At :59 as you discuss the semi-automatic Winchester model 11 shotgun, you're showing an 1873 Winchester Lever Action rifle...
I could not follow that either.
And random videos of other unrelated shotguns at the same timecas well.
At the 5:50 mark he talks of cheap shotshells causing problems with the Rem 105 but shows .22 and .380 shell boxes.
@@lfeco Good call--I didn't catch that, bro...
I own 3 Boito O/U from Kmart in the 80's and I still hunt with them to this day, all still factory original.
I too bought a couple, side by side and a over/under. $100 and $150 respectively. Still have the o/u. The side by side was nice, but weighed a ton. Traded it for an over/under.
I have a Win model 120 Ranger, paid 137.00 in 78 or 79 (might of been 1980, been a while) still have it and it functions perfectly. Back then, 137.00 to me was a pretty good chunk, took me a while with my paper route to save it up. I’d sell my Browning or Beretta before I sold my sentimental first bought shotgun.
I bought a Mossburg 500 back in 1972 . Brand new it cost $80:00. 12 gage 30” barrel. I shoot trap and hunt with this gun to this day
Got mod 500 trophy slugster. Good gun but the parts rattle when I'm carrying it while sneaking to the deer blind in the morning.
@@bernard8272 Only the charging handle rattles.Makes you a better hunter.
Have a 500 I bought in 85. Never had an issue or a misfire. Runs like a champ
I bought one around the mid 80's and never had a more dysfunctional weapon.
@@lonebikeroftheapocalypse9527 Bought mine in the mid 70s.Ran across another hunter that had his from the late 50s.
I have the 1100 Remington. Best shotgun in the world !!
All I could think about is what my Dad said when he gave my my 1st shotgun. He said: "never sell this shotgun ever." That shotgun was a Winchester Model 12 12 gage. He had one the he got as a teenager shot a "train-load" of shells through it, and it stills shoots to this day like new. I think my younger brother has it now.
I started shooting model 12s in 63 or 64. Still shooting them today. I gave my collection away but still have my 12ga. two-barrel set I use for skeet and bird hunting.
I have two that I got from my Dad. One is a 1927 and the other a 1953. My brother got three; a '48, a '53, and a '59.
My father has a model 12 from 1924 that he bought only recently, it is beautiful
My grandfather gave me his Winchester model 1912 in 16 ga for quail hunting when I was about 13-14, and I still have it. Nostalgia aside, it’s always shot great for me.
Everyone told me not to buy a Winchester 1400. But in 1995, J&G Sales had a used one for $69. Here I am 29 years later. ~30k rounds later. The gun just chugs along bird hunting & shooting trap. I haven't had a part break yet.
Sorry, but i need to disagree, Boito shotguns are excellent, maybe they were not so good in 80s, but nowadays they make excellent shotguns, i am saying it because i am Brazilian, and i had shoot some of these shotguns.
I still own one and you’re right, it’s a great gun. If you treat it well and keep it cleaned and oiled (as you should any gun) it will last. They also are a great gun for home defense.
I bought several "salt wood" Brownings back in the 80's and early 90's for cheap because they had rusted. I stripped them down and re-rust blued the guns and replaced the stocks with Bishop and Fagen wood. For around $100 each I couldn't go wrong.
I own a 1968 Superposed Broadway Trap. It’s a salt wood gun that was re stocked by Browning in 1991. There’s a r/o # stamped under the butt plate. I got it for a steel on gunbroker because of the salt wood affiliation. There is just one tiny spot on the receiver tang under the butt stack. After it was reblued it’s almost un-noticeable. I shoot it during the winter “continental trap shooting league” consisting of 8-100 shot matches and 5 warm up practices for the last 11 years. That’s 1300 shots a year and it performs flawlessly. For a hand fitted work horse like a Superposed in factory rebuilt like new condition for under $750 including shipping I smile every time I take it out of the safe.
I hope this video encourages others to get rid of their Superposed Brownings so the people that really appreciate them might be able to pick up one at a screaming deal like mine. 😂
I have a '67. Great gun.
That is your choice. Personally I just do not like semi-auto shotgune, my personal preferred shotgun is a 12ga Mossberg 500 pump.
i love my mossberg 20 gauge mossberg 500 pump!
semi auto needs shells with more ass. 3" magnum at least. All that means is goblin gets more ass to face action
Been shooting my Grandfathers Winchester 1400 M2 for years for skeet and birds. Shot it thousands of times and love it. Haven’t had any issues.
I can not say the same about mine, mine was a piece of crap. Bought mine in 1972, still own it. Since i couldn't trust it, I went to a Remington 870 Wing master which i still have
About the Browning patent and the Winchester 1911- Browning's arrangement with Winchester was he would present the idea (and usually a prototype) to Winchester, they would get the patents in his name, and then negotiate a fixed price to produce the gun. So Browning presented the Auto 5' to Winchester, they got they patents so broadly defined to include the charging handle. And then the whole deal fell apart - Winchester offered to buy the rights (with absolutely no intent of actually producing- it would cut into sales of the 1897 pump), but Browning was wanting a per gun commission.....
Fast forward a few years, the Auto 5:is a success, and Remington is coming out with a version- Winchester found out that the work their attorneys did in setting up the patent meant they couldn't use any of the features equivalent to the Auto 5- including the charge handle....
I own a boito over under. It’s a badass gun. It was my dads before me and had it his whole life never failed. Still doesn’t.
I'm going to have to agree about the Boito double barrel shotgun. I got one about 1975 as a Christmas gift. I still have it in today in 2023. If I put high power shells in it and pulled the front trigger first, BOTH barrels would fire at the SAME time. Talk about a nasty kick.
As the years went by, my mechanical abilities improved and I took it apart, found the problem and fixed it.
This gun has not been used much at all. It is still VERY tight when opening and closing the breech. No looseness at all.
I have no complaints about it now.
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I bought one also in 1975. Never had problem with both shells firing with one pull of the trigger. I recently converted it into a very nice coach gun by cutting off some of the barrels.
@@eagleviewhd 👍
I bought a Boito 20 gauge sxs in 1978 from KMart for about $125. My first shotgun. Still in my cabinet, never had a problem with it. My first shotgun. I wanted to sell it, but my daughter loves it.
I have a Winchester Ranger 140 (cheaper version of the Winchester 1400) bought in 1986...i've used in ins keet shooting small game hunting. Never had any problems
I remember when I was a kid in the 70's, there were some cheap shotguns out there with plastic parts in places where they shouldn't be.
I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A KID, LATE '50s.
THERE WAS .N.O. PLASTIC.
Not should there be! They can still make a profit with longer lasting parts. Also, there is your reputation to think of.
@@harrisjames2047
and then the Remington Nylon 66 .22 s/a rifle came along....
I have a nylon 66. But the piece that brings the next shell up into the chamber broke. and i cant find replacement parts.
gunparts corp
Part No. 77160A
Part.11 on schematic
cartridge stop?
$6.44
unfortunately part 10 cartridge feed is out of stock...
@@ryanparmley5605
I inherited a Winchester Model 11 SL The forestock was cracked and I repaired it. It was my grandfathers gun and he used it for years on the farm. It worked well, yes had a kick. I always used a light loads and it was my gun for upland game It did go in for new fiber buffers and replacement of a broken internal part I was told by my Dad. Before I used this shotgun at age 16 I was well versed on the operations. Do's and Do nots. I am 73 and still have it. God vid thanks for your presentation.
Do not buy a shotgun with a removable magazine. This will slow you down. While you can load the magazine one by one, you can load it faster in pairs into the non-removable tubular magazine.
I was at my trap shooting club just yesterday and came across a young man who brought a Win M11 to shoot. We discussed it's reputation as a widow maker. He said he paid $75 for it and the shop where he bought was glad to see it go out the door.
Yikes
I mean you cannot shoot yourself with a gun no pointed at your own face.... So that never made any sense to me. I remember the absolute whooping my grandfather gave me at age 6 when I had the thumb on the muzzle of my BB gun. Some lessons aren't complex. The only time any part of your body comes near the barrel of any gun is when it is disassembled for cleaning. If you don't mess that lesson up your life is gonna be OK. Now the real ones to watch are Ithaca 37s where you can fire it by slamming the action closed.
Since he would be using non-swelling plastic hulls.....the cause of the shoot yourself in the face problem....
is eliminated.
But where did he get replacement fibre buffers...
and if he is using the original buffers....
how long until the stock cracks...
as he probably hasn't shot any other shotguns and may not know the difference in the felt recoil??
Had 2 and still have 1 . Never noticed any slam fire but I never tried or wanted to try to slam it closed other than pumping it, seeing it's a pump action shotgun.@@bryceg5709
FOR ONE GUY WHO KNOWS IT , IT MAY BE OK...I WOULD NEVER LET ANYONE ELSE USE IT PROBABLY NOT MYSELF.....LOTS OF PEOPLE I HAVE KNOW HAD A "ONE MAN'S GUN".I'LL TAKE MY MORE $$$ SOMETHING ELSE...
You might expand that list and add one more. Browning had a gas operated shotgun made in the 1970s. It was made in Portugal and worked like a wooden watch. The model 2000 was so troublesome Browning was replacing them with other semi-auto models.
CZ Upland ultralight over/under in 20ga...very versatile....even good for squirrel.
I have a Browning Auto 5 i bought new in 1959; a Browning Pigeon Grade 20 ga Superposed and also a BSS with 3 barrels in 12 ga.. All have performed flawlessly. All are used every year for hunting. My son bought a Benelli and he too is very satisfied.
I have had a Browning auto five since 71. A great gun but it can’t use steel shot for long so I got a couple Belgium made Winchester SX3 20 gauges . All these are great guns.
My Dad had a brace of 3 #5s one 20/16/12. He raised me on doubles and I have a few!
@@rdeanbenson2214 would love to have a 20 version. Saw one at my gun club years ago. I was salivating over it.
Can believe you a using that 20ga to hunt with high value gun today !
@@arthurbrumagem3844
Have my great grandfather’s 20 Belgium, and my grandfather’s sweet sixteen Belgium…
I just need a 12 now, haven’t seen one for sale in a few years, and the last couple I did see were worn out and battered.
I actually shot the 20 for the first time last year opening day of dove season. A sweet shooter just like all the rest of the A5’s I’ve shot…
It was his bird gun, I didn’t do so well with it, lol.
So back in the safe it went.
The Winchester 1400 MKII was also a POS. I had to have mine repaired no less than ten times in the first year that i owned, The magazine tube would slid out causing the barrel to be loose. My friend had one just like mine, never had an issue, but he didn't shoot his as much as i did. Bought it in the fall of 1972, I'm still the proud owner too
Using salt to dry stocks, no one thought salt and steel are a bad combo??
The cheapest gun I own is a Chinese made clone of the Remington 870. It is also one of my favorites. It is a Blue Line BL-18 12ga. $215 to get it in my hands. Hawk industries is the Importer but the gun itself is made by Norinco. It is very well made. No MIM anywhere. Milled steel receiver and aluminum trigger guard/frame. Thick barrel a good size brass bead. Trigger is nice for a shotgun. Breaks about 3 1/2 to 4 pounds I'd say. It is very accurate and shoots to point of aim. Pumps smooth and the stock furniture is really good with effective checkering and butt pad. Only problem is the furniture is shocking heavy once you take it off. It is extremely dense material. Out of the box the shotgun feels a bit heavy, but solid and well made. I found out how heavy the furniture was when I replaced it with Magpul. I would say the gun is at least a pound lighter now. Still a bit hefty but not heavy. It feels good and shoots even better. They are still available for less than $200 and are an absolute bargain. Most parts except the barrel interchange. I also had to open up the ID of the Magpul forend to fit as the tube is slighty oversized.
I have 1400 in 12guage and in 20guage.They were $200 each.
The 20 gauge with skeet choke is used to introduce people to using a shotgun.
Best reason I use, is it fits wide range of people.
New shooters find success with it. So they are encouraged.
They have always worked with minimal maintenance.
I have had good experience with them.
Especially with new shooters success.
I have a Winchester model 140 semi auto 12ga that is 40 years old and has jammed maybe 3 or 4 times in it's life time. I have been doing sporting clays the past couple of months and it works like it was brand new still! I don't think I would put a whole lot of stock into this video!
I have a Browning 'upland special' 12 gauge pump that is bottom loading and bottom ejection. Never failed with any ammo. Smoothest, fastest pump I ever held. When I pick it up I swear I can already smell the quail frying ! Ithica model 37 is another bottom ejection gun with a stellar reputation.
I think he said the only bottom ejecting auto that he was aware of. Not pump.
@@danmcintosh6479 Yep! I started to react too but went back and re-listened first, thankfully.
I have a mossberg 500 hundred got it at 14 iam 43 now gun still looks great and operates like new never a problem
Try any shotgun from FIE. The barrels on their over and unders would come apart after just a few shells I bought a 410 side by side at a garage sale for five dollars. To show my sons, how dangerous it was I loaded it put the safety on, bounced it lightly on the ground and it went off both barrels..
I've got one of those Boito 20ga, Luv It, it was actually around $200 in 1982, Stripped the Ugly Brown Green lacquer on it, Very Nice Wood underneath it, & had they just clear coated it or with a slight stain 1st. Great lil close brush, woods, bird gun , light n does'nt punch, swings nice, tight smooth action once lubed n broken in, & as with any firearm if you DO NOT ABUSE IT BY DROP SLAMM'N IT OPEN or Closing it, It'll last for many years of reliable use !, Ayuh
Yeah I have one in 12 gauge, has been really good to me.
I own a superposed that falls in the serial number range for a “salt” gun. It had very minimal surface rust. ( I did have it checked out by a gunsmith, for safety.) The way I understand it, if the blank used on your gun was near the top, it could be alright. Where a blank from the bottom of the pile, it could rust the whole gun fairly quickly. Mines has no collector value, because of the serial number range, but is beautiful and shoots great.
Got a 20 gauge model 1400 for my 12th birthday from my dad. Killed my first ducks, geese, squirrels, pheasants, doves, rabbit's etc. Shot trap,skeet, sporting clays. Shot thousands of rounds through it with no problems. Never been to a gunsmith and still shoots great after 40 years.
I had a Winchester 1400 ranger mdl. Only held 3 rounds of 2 3/4. Shot dove, deer squirrel and skeet..towards the end, the sight rail started coming loose, and certain parts were hard to find in fixing a few things. Other than that, it was decent for $200
I have a Winchester 1400 Mark 2. It only holds three rounds of 2 3/4 as well but that's because they are meant for bird hunting. A buddy of mine needed some cash and sold it to me for $100 a few years ago. I only use it for snakes and turtles in my pond.
odd that most of the time the gun in the video was NOT the one he was talking about.... often, not even shotguns! huh....
I appreciate the Winchester Model 11 . People routinely get it confused with the Remmington 11. Both are Browning designs. The Winchester is nick named the widowmaker, because of some one standing over the muzzle and loading a round. You might see the danger in this. The Remmington 11 is Browning's "Browning A5 one fine shotgun. The other shotgun I'm have to comment on is the Remmington CTI 105. This thing has a self regulating gas system. So do humans. So I guess if you want a shotgun to fart around with, this one should be your first choice.
When discussing a particular firearm the best thing to do of course is show pictures of pretty much eveything EXCEPT the gun in question. What does the BAR and bolt action military rifles, or the 1873, to name a few, have to do with the Winchester 11?
I have owned for 45 plus years a FN Browning Auto Five! It will go to my son.
The video doesn't quite match the narrative. However, the narrative was accurate and very informative. As a gunsmith, I am of the same conclusion. The narrative is still very helpful in remembering the issues. It's certainly a great review. Thanks for a good compilation these issues.
--- you mean they really don't make semi-auto pumps ?
Salt wood Brownings, ancient history, they haven’t been around for 60 years.
A true Belgian made Superposed is a collector item. Citori guns are nice, but so are many others. I am not sure that the Superposed is even manufactured anymore.
What is with the stock video of the lever action rifle, between footage of shotguns? This channel is outrageous.
Well, he is called "madman". 🙄 This channel could also be called: Silly wabbit with a video camera channel.
From my personal experience, no matter if a shotgun is a high end expensive shotgun or an economical model, a critter is just as dead when you shoot them.
But paying a little more typically makes the gun last much longer
@malfunctionjunction, interesting name considering your comment. If something doesn't go wrong when you pull the trigger, then yes, your right.
For someone new to guns or even shotguns the pics of 22 lr ammo and such in this video would confuse the hell out of the newbies but I guess they have to learn one way or another?
I have older Remington 1100s and Wingmaster 870s that were easy on the eyes but built like a tank and still like new today but quite a few years ago a guy at the gun club offered to sell me a Remington Sportsman 12 that shot 3" mags for $80 as he just had a kid and needed the money so I gave him $100 for it.
Then I think not to long after Remington came out with their abysmal and cheap 870s (Thanks Freedom Group) that were scrap. I had a few guys find out that I had a Sportsman 12 and they all wanted to buy it. I refused to sell the shotgun and one guy told me the reason people were interested in the Sportsman 12 is because they were built good out of good materials but had a very short run with not a lot made until they came out with the mass produced scrap afterward.
I really don't know about this part of Remington history and sort of forgot about it until I saw this video and now my fuel tank is drained as I just finished 6 weeks of chemo and I am in my 7th week of radiation treatment for cancer and it IS kicking my ass
If anyone knows a little or a lot concerning the history about the Remington Sportsman 12 Magnum please by all means educate me
Did not see the salt wood coming. Well done and researched video! 👍
!n 1970 I returned an unfired Winchester 1200 because the Mag. Cap kept falling off. I traded the 1200 for a 1400. I used the 1400 for a few years, I don't remember having any problems with it but. I always felt the gun was cheesy and cheaply made. I felt the Remington 1100 and 870 (Wing Master) were much better shot guns. Until I bought my first Winchester Model 12 which was always my favorite. I had five of them, still have one now. Another great shotgun many may not be aware of is the Winchester Super X #1 semi auto If you prefer all machined steel and nice wood the Super X 1 is a great shotgun. These were tried by Winchester around 1973 when they went back to making a fine quality shotgun. Unfortunately, the guns were expensive to produce. at a time when Rem. 1100 and 8770s and other guns were easier on the wallet. But Super X 1'a are still around and not too expensive on the used market.
I BOUGHT MY SX-1 IN 1980-81.....THE QUALITY THEY HAD PRE-WWII HAND FITTING.........26 INCH IMP CYL PROVED MORE VERSATILE THAN ANY MOD OR FULL CHOKE....BEST 299.99 I EVER SPENT ON A SHOTGUN.....IN MY SAFE NOW.. A LI'L HEAVY BUT ESASY ON THE SHOLDER AND SMOOTH GAS OPERATION...BUT WORKMANSHIP ON PAR WITH DOUBLE BARTRELS, REM MOD 11, 31, MODEL 1897 AND ITHACA 37 (ORIGINALLY AS MODDEL 17 REMNGTON OUT ON THE MARKET IN 1917..THERE ARE OTHER BUT YOU DON'T SEE THEM MUCH ANYMORE....
Its good to have a good break over shot gun. They will digest shotshells that pumps or semi auto shotguns wont cycle. Just, find a break over that will take chokes.
There are a lot of them that do nowadays. I have a side by side Tri Star Bristol from Khan Firearms in Turkey that has a five-tube set of screw-in chokes. When installed, you would have to look closely to even notice them.
Stevens 301s are good shotguns for the price.
I bought a CZ Hammer Classic a couple years ago and it's been the best!
I have a stoeger coach gun and a standard mossberg 500 pump...... Both are great and I agree completely about the coachgun eating anything you throw at it
I've never seen a shell my 870 wouldn't feed and fire. Can't say the same for a semi-auto, but pumps are usually good to go.
Browning Double Automatic was / is bottom eject. The one I used was a nice lightweight was a nice piece, a joy to carry chasing Quail. I remember the black mark of "Salt Wood"...seems that was the biggest reason people preferred the Belgian production models.
Ithaca makes a bottom eject that is highly favored by the lefties in my family because they can shoot naturally without the casing ejecting into their face. I never understood the importance of this until I shot a left handed flintlock and nearly took myself eye out. It’s nice to not have to worry about what’s happening with your firearm. Browning also made a nice little .22 semiautomatic that is a bottom eject. It’s a nice little rifle but you need to be careful how you set up with it or you will be getting the spent brass in your hand or your lap.
@@stevedavis5704 I have a model 37 I used for skeet shooting. The joke was that it eats and shits out of the same hole. I keep it under the bed these days full of 00 buck. Very well made guns and under rated!
The Remington 870 EXPRESS - aka the Jammaster. Rough chambers, MIM extractors, what could go wrong??? Even after sending it back for repair the problem with mine persists. No mo Remingtons...
US army needs to build a belt fed 12 gauge machine gun.
It's always interesting to read reviews by other people such as this one on shotguns to avoid. I always liked the looks of the Winchester Model 1400 & 1500 shotguns but never knew of the plastic internal components used by Winchester on the 1400 as reported. Also, good to know about the Remington 105 shotguns. I'm very familiar with the "salt-wood" problems which Browning had plus there were a few other gun manufacturers which used that process for a short period of time, but no one for as long as Browning. However, I disagree with how that process was described in this video as to the stock blanks on the bottom of the piles being "saturated in salt brine". The amount of moisture in any one piece of stock blank is very small and thus to obtain a "salt brine" the wood blanks would have had to be stacked in several hundred-foot stacks to cure, which I don't believe was the case. Yes, the stock blanks on the bottom of each pile could be exposed to slightly higher salt content as described but not really as any true amount of "salt brine". Therefore, it was not just the stock blanks at the bottom of the piles which had the potential for causing steel corrosion in the future, but potentially all stock blanks. The main problem with the salt curing of those stock blanks was the chemical process of osmosis. As the moisture in each blank had no salt content, if the stock was exposed to salt for any length of time, salt could be drawn into the pores of the stock by osmosis at the same time that moisture was being forced out of those blanks. Wood blanks which were much denser or had portions which were much denser as compared to others, would not draw in as much salt into the pores when exposed to the same length of time as more porous pieces of wood. That left salt buried within the pores of some of the wood which could then leach out over time as those pores were exposed to moisture on the outside which had no salt content or very low salt content such as in some marsh areas along seacoasts. I own a Browning Superposed shotgun from 1969 which is a true "salt-wood" problem with very visible corrosion where the stock contacts the receiver. Also, I test Browning wood stock and forends for salt content and it is not unusual to find one piece of a shotgun stock which tests positive for salt but not both pieces on the same gun. Also, it is possible that the butt portion of a single-piece, rifle stock will test positive for salt but not the forend on that same, single piece of wood. Lastly, in my experience with Browning shotguns and rifles made during the late 60's to early 70's, if "salt-wood" corrosion of the steel components has not been observed over the last 50 to 57 years, then it most likely won't be problem in the future.
I bought the Winchester 1400 Ranger 2 3/4 in Auto, back in the late 70`s or early 80`s with the first Choke Tubes i ever had and i did not like them i could`nt hit a duck if it was on the end of the barrel, i took the gun to my local gunsmith and had him cut the choke system off and it became a great little PAT/Woodcock gun. I still have that little gem to this day over 50 yrs later.
In my humble opinion, SEARS marketed a bolt action 12-gauge shotgun, I believe was made by J.C. Higgins. They were stupid cheap and as such, shows why "cheap" will get you killed every time. I personally watched a guy I was hunting ducks with load the shotgun in front of his car; chambered a round and "slam fired" a 12-gauge round through both front and rear windows of his car. Luckily no one was in the car at the time. After that, he was "uninvited" to hunt with us again
You state that the Bottom eject was unique to this weapon….WRONG the ITACHA MODEL 37 was revolutionary with this in the early 1960s
But he said unique to semiauto shotguns, not pumps.
I used to own a "salt wood " superposed. Didn't have any more rust than any other 50 year old gun. You just have to be mindful of it
My first O/U was Boita made for Kmart. I shot a couple thousand rds thru it trap shooting and pheasant hunting before the firing pins broke.
I bought it used and definitely got my moneys worth out of it.
Were all Boitos made in Brazil! What gauge did you have?
@@dalehood1846 12ga.
So I’m a tenderfoot in Boy Scouts. Occasionally we go out to camps that have gun range. We mostly have black powder rifles (I really recommend this type of weapon, as it is really fun to shoot) and .22 rifles. We are typically cheap with guns, so we have like half of these firearms
Add anything made by CZ, Customer service is ridiculous. Had a defective unit and they said it would be 12 months to rp^ace it on warranty ! TWELVE MONTHS
I had a win 1400. If you kept it clean it would run great. It did feel a bit cheap compared to my other shotguns but was a good shotgun.
Weird how the first one (the one that put it's users at a high risk of death due to clearing the chamber with your face above the barrel) wasn't the first one. Also surprised to see the cobray terminator didn't make the list
I bought a Stoeger Uplander as my first gun in 2015 for about $370. As I understand it, it is the successor of the Boito. Made in Brazil, pretty terrible fit and finish.
It is, on occasion, finicky and I’m always having fixing small issues in the field. But I’ve also fired thousands of shells through it. It got me my first perfect trap round.
It’s a dual trigger model, so it doesn’t have the action issues that the single trigger models have, typically, a piece will just come loose.
I love it and have no regrets about buying it. I outshoot every other shotgun I’ve picked up with that bad boy, including a Citori, and it puts meat on the table. Can’t even find another side by side in the same price range these days!
I've got stoeger and boito shotguns both coach and full length - I just cannot kill them, all made post 2000 and are deadset tractors. Didn't buy them for their finish, bought em as reliable bush guns that will drop pigs once the dogs bail them up from dawn till dusk without skipping a beat.
Old boito/ stoeger from what I've heard is trash.
Agree on very cheaply made. The mosberg 500 was the cheapest shotgun I owned. The bolt lock failed on me and shot out the bottom . Heard about the Winchesters sad attempt at the Browning and never fell for that. Dad had the Browning semi-auto and I went with the Franchi years later.Both awesome guns.
I watched a guy in a dove field yank the foreend right off his 500. He swung on a bird and fired, worked the action, and was left with a piece of his shotgun in each hand.
Artificial intelligence at it again °°••○○●●
You can’t compare a semi auto and a pump shotgun! Unless… you don’t know WTF you’re talking about🤔
What was wrong with the side by side shotgun? I think I only heard him say " it wasn't good"
I grew up with the Remington 1100 and still have it, and it still shoots like it was new. Giving it to a family member soon, so I’ll have to replace it before next squirrel season. Thought about replacing it with the AR-12, just for fun.
My dad has a 1100. Thats his all use gun. My mom bought it for him in 1977. As a first wedding annv gift. Its beat up But if it barks. Whatever its aimed at is no longer.
What about the Verona SX 405S-12?? Any feedback on thoes??
plastic kills everything
Some of these "American" brands aren't even made here to my knowledge. Aren't Winchester and Browning made overseas now? Not saying shortcuts and bad quality can't be made here in the States (look at pre-bankruptcy Remington) but it's just sad that so many "All American" names aren't made here.
In the case of John M. Browning, aside from the relatively few guns he built in his family's shop in Utah, his Browning labeled firearms were only manufactured overseas. This came about after Winchester's president managed to royally piss off JLB, so he took his business to FN in Belgium. The guns are still being made in Belgium, as well as in Portugal and Japan.
@@Paladin1873 Thanks!
Not unlike Vehicles, where a person argues that you have a "foreign" made car. Unlike their Foreign made /American labeled/ Foreign owned Truck. LOL
Winchester is Turkish made now yes, I don't know where Browning shotguns are made but I know their rifles are made in Japan of all places
Buy a Mossberg 500 or 590 , you would be glad you did !!!
I did and no I wasn't and I got rid of it
@tuberculosis the 500.. the 590 in its beginning was a much better design but Mossberg has used aluminum in the manufacturing of them lately when they're supposed to be steel
I bought a rossi.410 lever action,for the wife. Terrible! Won’t cycle and jams to the point I have to take the lever off to clear the jam. I call it a single shot lever.
"The gun worked well for those who had no problems with it"... LOL.
I have a Bioto 12ga backpacker. Thing has been awesome. it’s cheap so I don’t care if it gets banged up, always fires, and it gives that deep tissue shoulder massage 😆
I have a boito 20 gauge side by side it shoots like new and still looks beautiful in 2024
Guess I'll stick with The A5s
Hatfield shotguns must make a list like this.
A buddy of mine had a Winchester Model 11SL. He referred to it as "the buddy killer", and I never saw him shoot it. I think he kept it as an antique and a curiosity, like his old Chinese SKS.
SKS is a good rifle
The Russian original certainly is....@@ryanehlis426
That dog sure wasn't gun shy.
I heard bad thing about the browning gold hunter yet the one I own only jam a couple of time when I don't use enough lubricant where you press the button to close the bolt carrier, other then that the shotgun has brought down many game, don't think I'll find a replacement for it yet
Seems like you hate every shotgun Winchester made. I owned a pump Winchester shotgun I purchased in 1967. Best weapon I ever had. Never had a problem with it.
Why would you even have wall hangers on here in the first place? Most of these guns are older than me and I am over 60.
Never buy a Remington 870 12 Ga with a kneraled bbl from the 60s. Had one with a 28 inch bbl that became a 23 inch one after it split along the pressed edges. Had it cut back and never had another problem . rem. Sent me a new vent bbl.
If I remember correctly, the Ithaca 37 ejected out the bottom.
So does the Browning, but they're not semi-autos. There are others but they're pretty rare.
My Dad had a 37 and yes it ejected out the bottom of the reciever.
It does. I've opened 3 37 ultra Featherlite shotguns. Nice trap guns but they don't like heavy loads and neither will your shoulder. It was the first gun I ever fired at age 8 and dad neglected to tell me to hold it firmly in my shoulder. It jumped out and gave me a painful bloody nose. I've been I'm love with guns ever since. I'm 72 now and still like having them go bang.
This video was made by ai
I am in Canada and we had a lot of k-marts here around 30 years ago, i bought my first rifle there.
Why are showing lever action rifles in a shotgun vid
They make lever action shot guns to
That is BS on the Boito's. I have one from 1976 and it has shot so many rounds it should have been destroyed by 1980. Is it a Browning or Beretta. No. But don't crap on something I doubt you ever had.
I'm still shooting my Springfield. Ssbage 20 gauge Pump, model 67F. Made in 1968. 54 years later and still working like new. TH-camrs take themselves wayyyyy to serious.
Ithaca model 37. Bottom eject. Came out in 1937. Ten years before me
Winchester 1400 is amazing gun soft recoil and not as heavy has a 1100
Don't remember those Borito guns at my local Kmart. I bought the last 2 rifles my area store had, Remington 700 in 7mag and a Marlin 22 semi auto.
A bad workman blames his tools
Thanks. I wasnt planning on buying a shot gun anytime soon and now you have given me added reasons
Don't rely on this video to make any decision on any guns!
Good info. If there's something to add to the list are the shotguns that fire if accidentally dropped.
I never shot myself with my model 11 , I like it.
Nice review. Thanks!
Wouldn't it just be easier to figure out which gun you SHOULD have and get that? I don't know, sometimes I just get these crazy ideas! 🤯