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Hazbin Hotel's SHOCKING Finale, And Season 2 Plotline Theories!
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I cried when sir Pentios died
@@thelivingzombie8403he’s in heaven now! Her plan works!😊☺️
New take on the an Angel is going to fall theory. it won't be Emmy for questioning things but Sera as her whole heavenly world view of not questioning things is now shattered. Let's face it, she followed things a bit too much and now redemption is possible. Also, her fears are now more solid as well as the extermination has literally armed Hell for the rebellion they are so afraid of. A rebellion would have actually been quite hard if not for all those blasted exorcist who can't pick up after themselves. She might get a bit crazy in her thinking now.
Im telling you sir pentious became god
sinners have revelled at least twice, of which, at least once they must have been backed by the hellborn, as supported by millie's dad, who is a war veteran
I’m so happy Sir Pentious was redeemed. The snake was the first sinner to reach Heaven!
Yeah the snake thing was a very nice foreshadowing am I right?
Sir Redemptious perhaps?
You could see a mixed reaction when it happened. The glow in Emily's eyes and the stunned look in Seraph's.
Ironic right? Because he was a sbake
Ikr? I kind of figured he would most be likely to redeem himself. And it also proves that Charlie's theory about reforming sinners was correct
Notice how lucifer showed up immediately after Razzle or Dazzle died... almost like at was a "sacrificial Lamb"
Yeah, this is an interesting theory
damn its prop not intended but its funny lol
also, as mentiioned in the vid, hellborn demons received a pardon. so the moment adam tried to acc kill charlie, which goes against the agreement, thats when he showed up
That's CLEVER.
@@TamWam_ I think you may be on to something there. It could be the proverbial 'Devil in the Details'.
Loved that Adam smiles when he saw Lute before he dies... It like hes happy theres someone beside him before he dies... Both of his wives left him but theres someone beside him one last time.
I mean they left him because of how egotistical he is
@@Victoria_drawzYeah, he’s a fuckhead
@@Victoria_drawz Lute was a perfect partner for him though, third times the charm.
@@Victoria_drawz that was lilith,eve was completely all over him until lucifer and lilith decided she lacked freedom and corrupted her with a magic fruit
Never thought of that
The fact lilith is just sitting at a beach without a care really shows how far she's willing to go to get her way. I am confident that Charlie gets he 'good' side from her father now. And I really can't wait to see Alastor's plans now.
Or maybe there's another reason, such as gathering information and subterfuge ?
@@seeleunit2000 gathering information with sunbathing in the lush environment of heaven for 7 years.. yep..
So much information gathering right?
Maybe Lilth wanted to abandon it all just for peace (for her).
@@human3504 that might be true.
@@human3504 Lilith was always about independence.
Two other players are conspicuously absent: Eve and God. What's their role in all this?
Sir Pentious went from the comic relief character to an absolute Chad in the span of 8 episodes. Kissed his crush. Refused to elaborate. Died in battle sacrificing himself. Was redeemed. So happy for Sir Pentious! Oh, and remember when niffty said he is not a bad boy? What a hell of foreshadowing.
She was like "Why are you so lame! You are not a bad boy" and she said that with a lot of disappointment too, it was funny.
I was just mad his final line as a sinner wasn't "I'm not sacrificing myself for you, I'm sacrificing myself for EVERYBODY!!". Missed opportunity 😞
What happened to the egg Bois though?
BWF
@@TheRickaboo I get you, but that would've missed the point. He DID do it for Cherry. He finally had the guts to say it and face off against the enemy. Having him revert back to his cop out would have taken away from the little progression he got
Sir Pentious also knows something that the better part of heaven does not: the extermination.
His redemption shows at the hotel, and Sera’s only real defense against Charlie’s proposal in the courtroom was at the hotel does not work, but now that they have actual proof, I’m curious how it’s gonna go.
Sir Pentious's last scene was perfect. Emily's face was so cute!
I also love the fact that Niffty was the one to save the hotel.
Nifty is a crazy little darling who follows orders lol
Stab stab stab stab. I laughed so hard in that scene.
@@nunogoncalo9454 nifty after was like MBAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
@@Bunnzi3_0n3zi3_luvs_everyone for a second I thought it was Alastor to give the killing blow but then I saw the needle. What worries me is the aftermath because she was put on blast that she's Adam's killer and maybe that'll have consequences in the following season.
Yeah, Niffty kinda turned into Arya Stark there at the end, even had a "Needle". Lol. Also when Dazzle was killed, like one of Dany's dragons.
One interesting thing about Alastor right now is his internal conflict. He just speaks his mind with Nifty because he doesn't have to cover anything with her, saying that he got used to these people, but then in the end, in his part of the song, Alastor scolds himself, understanding that his little affection towards people at the Hotel almost got him killed, and he reaffirms that he should not care, shutting down these emotions. I wonder if this internal conflict will grow with time and he will have to choose between Hotel and his own needs.
I don't know, just seems interesting to me.
He is t interested in keeping bonds but more of being in control with power. Says so himself..
he loves them this afraid him because love implies vulnerability. Before someone tell me serial killer don't love, there are setial killer who bond deeply relaship, they have never hurt these people or they stopped to kill during time they were together.
"Unclip my wings"
I am surprised that the hotel just welcomed him back, no questions asked. they counted on him to deal with Adam and when they saw that Adam is no longer busy, they immediately assumed Alastor died. They aren't even surprised to see him alive?
during the rebuilding song he popped up and everyone hugged it out. Because of the shows pacing I can't beleive it took them a day/a few hours to rebuild the hotel. Probably took them a week or so. So he gave a headline in his part of the song of Alaster the Altruist saved all his friends, but thats not where his story ends implying he was comng back to continue his plans (whatever those are), @@fruity4820
The list of the things I want to see in the second season:
1. Charlie's reunion with her mother
2. The hotel crew meeting Arakniss - Angel Dust's brother. They will also probably learn that Angel's name is actually Anthony.
3. The "favor" Charlie has promised Alastor to do.
4. Charlie meeting Sir Pentious in Heaven.
5. More sinners joining the Hotel
6. Lute's revenge plot against the hotel crew.
7. Maybe Charlie and Vaggie will have to go to Earth for some reason and they'll have to put on some human disguises.
8. Hazbin Hotel's crossover episode with Helluva Boss.
Also, more episodes per season and a slower pacing
The last one I wanna see maybe even meet stolas
i'd like to see Baxter and Crymini in the next season
As cool as a crossover episode would be, I doubt it will happen. Even though both shows are set in the same universe, crossover of characters is going to be tricky due to legal issues with Helluva Boss being independently made and Hazbin Hotel being officially made and distributed by a production company and streaming platform. There’s also the issue of which voice actors are unionized vs. which ones aren’t, and whether or not A24 and/or Amazon would be willing to employ voice actors outside of SAG-AFTRA.
I may be off the mark and a crossover episode could happen, but that’s my understanding of it from what I’ve heard as of now.
9)Sera tries to hide about sir pentious but emily and him formed a secret society for helping the sinners.
10)some exocists start to doubt lute and mission. The new second commander is worried about next estremination about her companion and indigate about vaggie. I find a little sad not exocists was shocked about vaggie, yes they are been written all like fanatics, but vaggie cannot be only one with doub and mercy.
11)charlie found out heaven is afraid of hell because heaven wars,the anciest didn't kick out lucifer and lilith only because the fruit but because they tried to conquest Earth and Heaven. Despite having wiining most of senior angels want to avoind the war.
12) Next estremination but it is stopped by emily group who bondcast it in Heave, with help of some exocists
13)A bigger authority,archangel stopped the extemination for truce. They punish Sera for not having control of her people and lute who went sent on earth as human with adam.
14)everything looks nice especially when the archangel invites Lucifer. But it is a pleasere visit, they bring him in a place where root of evil lives, lucifer found out most of hi sibling are dead/hurt for fighting the root, Archangel regrets extreminations because all that violence only feeds the root, and they don't know much long they can stand the ground
Dazzle died, and now poor Razzle is going to have noone to share his donuts with.
They were toys that Lucifer brought to life... maybe he can fix him/bring him back to life ?
@@orianefaton1885
They already put a monument to Dazzle in front of the new hotel, and Lucifer was there to see it created. So I dont think there was anything he could do.
Maybe he can grant life to inanimate things, but not restore life to previously living things that have died. Maybe it just doesnt work like that.
@@goosemanVEVO There is always the possibility of replacing Dazzle with an identical toy for Lucifer to give life to
i honestly forgot about those two
@@AndromedaNull
Yeah but its just not the same.
The fact that Alastor held his own against someone who technically is just as powerful as Lilith is crazy. It showed how good and experienced in combat he really was. I bet he would have lasted a lot longer against Adam if he didn’t get cocky.
Or of adam didn't use that guitar thing
fax! keep spittin
I don’t think Adam is on Lilith’s level I think he’s more like goetia family level but still it’s very impressive
why wouldn't he be on liliths level? They were both literally created to be equal@@user-zq5qq1rz6o
i mean,adam was just dangling his guitar at him,then he just got tired and ended the fight in a single attack,it really was one sided for adam,he could've just thrown a giant laser and ended it without a fight.
Charlie didn't think Vaggie was bad, she was hurt that Vaggie didn't tell her she was an Angel.
EXACTLY! THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING!
It's weird that Charlie needed to be told by someone else to look at Vaggies actions and not her past. I would think Charlie had enough agency to do so on her own given how ambitious she is. The need to know every little detail about someone, even things that they find uncomfortable, is a huge red flag in a relationship. People will tell you when they feel they're able to.
@@ocarinaplaya
I also don't blame Vaggie for not telling Charlie until the time was right.
@@ocarinaplaya Vaggie didn’t feel ready to tell Charlie cause she didn’t want to remember that day again and in order to tell Charlie Vaggie would of and her fall was a really traumatic experience for her so she wouldn’t of wanted to.
I think what kept sinners from trying to fight back was the same effect that we saw in "A bugs life" where the ants COULD have fought back for years, but didn't, simply cause they were told their whole life they couldn't win.
That the exorcists were immortal beings, that you could only hide from and hope they don't find you during the extermination.
We've seen a lot of the sinners essentially accepting their suffering in hell, so i can definitely see them accepting being told there is nothing they could do against the exorcists as fact.
Yep, and since only a few had angelic weapons anyway, they were essentially right. Without angelic weapons, you are basically helpless.
"They outnumber us one hundred to one, and the moment they figure that out, there goes our entire way of life!!"
@@michaeledmunds7056 Considering how picky God is, it's probably more like 10,000 to 1 and that's being pretty generous.
I feel like this is it. Angelic weapons are super rare and there's a whole black market dedicated to procuring them, so the exorcists would definitely seem immortal to anyone not armed properly. Even those with angelic weapons might not have thought to try, ( which Vaggie eludes to when she is surprised with this information,) and fighting back against the "immortal" attackers is a great way to draw attention to yourself and your interests and get everyone slaughtered. It makes sense that they would keep their heads down until there was definitive proof that an angel could die
I need to know the Adam - Eve - Lucifer - Lilith tea, NOW. There is so much unaddressed drama there than was let on in the first episode flashback. I CAN’T UGH.
Same...I still hope for the happy end and a living morningstar family
@@dominiklange8382it could Mr., Mrs. & Mrs!
The banter between Adam and Lucifer during the final battle gave us a taste of it, but I NEED MORE
Yeah hope adam comes back in a demon form cause I want to hear his side of the story
@@fruity4820 YES, that is what set me off! Things seemed like they got spicy. 😭😭😭
Gonna be honest.
I saw Sir Pentious as the most likely for redemption, but didn't call this.
Also, Carmilla explains why people haven't used Angelic Steel to fight back already. Those who could get it weren't daring enough to try it out on Exorcists, saw the use they knew and didn't risk themselves.
i was literally yelling at the TV when charlie was arguing sinners could be redeemed and was using *angel dust* as her example while sir pentious had spent the entire time at the hotel being the goodest boy.
plus if you think something is invincible, you arent gonna try and fight it
@@dietotaku She did want to use someone who was initially reluctant to change and demonstrate how far he's already come since then. But considering Sir Pentious was already drunk by then, it probably wouldn't have helped.
And it ties in with the theme of redemption through selflessness.
Sinners being selfish they used the angelic weapons only to become more powerful and ensure their personal safety, not bothering with exorcists as they targeted their weaker fellows as anyone else could "go to hell".
Until Charlie gave them both the means to fight back and the drive to put themselves in danger for others.
Selfishness made hell, and selflessness saved it.
Yeah @@BenLafarge, only its so unlikely that an overlord like Carmilla would be the first sinner to cross paths with an angel, while having an angelic weapon...
I
Camilla talked about why it wasn't done before. Angelic steel is rare and usually you are running away from angels.
Plus, Angels act like they cannot be harmed, so I am guessing most sinners assumed this too. (Add possible flavoring that some of them thought they desered to be in hell, and this is maybe their punishment for what they did and well, you get plenty of explanation)
@orianefaton1885 considering only angelic weapons can kill angels, it makes sense that they practically are unkillable. I mean, they are unkillable to most. And it really wasnt until Carmilla came along that someone managed to horde enough angelic steel and combat prowess that she managed to both be armed with a weapon that could hurt them And also be skilled enough to use it. The little bit that her shoes are actually angelic steel and she uses them like a a figure skater/ballerina is awesome and fitting for her character
@@theduke7539 Translation, without Carmilla thing would have never been known and things could have been much worse. Glad we agree on this.
@@theduke7539do you think this supports the idea that Camilla is a fallen angel? Not only did she know how to kill an exorcist and was prepared for it, bit sue also knows how and where to aquire the angelic steel needed to make the weapons.
@@bryceyork4173 I dont think so, its possible, but she's not an exterminator, and the presence of her daughters raises interesting questions that probably wont be answered, but Vaggie didnt recognize Carmilla as an angel, plus, I think this version of lucifer didn't lead an army against heaven like in most stories. I think this version has him being banished before such an uprising
So funny that Lucifer stole BOTH of Adam's girls. Georgia isn't the only thing our short king goes down to
Oh darn 😅 He didnt get to steal Johnny's soul but he stole Adam's girls.
@@Derpy-fun125
Except his two wives were justified because of how controlling he was Charlie is lucky she's not Adam's daughter.
@katelynthewhitewerewolf6376 I know. He was a horrible hudsband. I was just trying to make a joke though
The detail on why Lucifer arrived late is simple. His deal was for the extermination to happen in exchange for none of his people (hellspawn) to be hurt. Adam killed Dazzle and is about to kill Charlie, breaking that rule. Now he has express permission to intervene and hand Adam's apples to him on a silver platter.
I’m pretty sure that Pentious was actually Charlie’s best example to redeem a sinner since he was a former bad guy turned to a wholesome generous character who in episode 6 compared to Angel didn’t steal/prevent someone from, was charitable (literally the opposite of stealing), and was genuinely nice and wanting to make up to Cherri who he was literally rivals with
You know, if I were Valentino, I would be scared shitless of Niffty after witnessing her brutally stabbing Adam, not to mention she nearly bitten off his finger and took a good chunk of his fur 😂
Also: I wonder if The Cannibal Colony ate Adam's body😮
She cute but criminally insane. Maybe that's why Husk ment when he said you don't wanna know what Niffty's deal is...
They probably saved some for Roxie and Alastor.
I would love to see Nifft go hunt down that piece of sinner crap.
His body disappears when Lute picks up his celestial hoop.
Something i found interesting:
Adam will problaly join charlie in something like an plot of "you hated the otherside,now you are the otherside" because he is an angel and have been doing almost all types of sins in his death,like sir pentious have died doing the good and almost all virtues,so they switched places
Adam is heavens golden boy, he isnt dead
@@jaiy1321bro literally fucking died idk wtf you're talking about
@Flapjacks-tm8cf Adam is literally Heavens favorite, do you really think Heaven will let him die? And also, bigger ranking angels can only die from being smited by higher ranking angels
@@jaiy1321 how do you know that?
@Flapjacks-tm8cf It was stated in a livestream by vivzi that the only way higher ranking angels can die is through being smited by an angel who is higher. Sara is definitely higher than Adam, but Adam could disrespect her, and he even went against her words without any consequences
BRO THE FACT THAT ALAZTOR WAS WANTING TO BE FREED FROM THE DEAL AND PROBABLY HELL IS ONE OF THE THINGS ME KEEPING UP UNTIL SEASON 2
i'm calling it now, he made a deal with lilith to access her powers while she's in heaven provided he uses them to keep the population of hell in check. if he ever got out of hell he would conquer heaven and use his powers to make deals with humans to expand his sphere of control to the entire mortal world.
@@dietotaku Iol no.. from what we have seen lillth doesn't even care. I'm sorry but this theory just straight up got erased by the ending scene of episode 8..
@@sanjivinsmoke2719I agree but we don’t know that yet, Lilith probably still made some deal with alastor 7 years ago and she’s in heaven chilling, she’s not an angel either and a demon still to break any sort of pact with alastor. Since both were gone for 7 years, but who knows the ending just showed her for a few and a second season is coming.
@@sanjivinsmoke2719 all the ending scene tells us is that she's been in heaven this whole time because of a deal she made with Adam. we know Alastor sold his soul to someone and it would have to be someone more powerful than him. that really only leaves Lucifer or Lilith and since it clearly wasn't Lucifer...
It pissed me off so much that there was only 8 episodes for a 4 year wait, I was expecting a good 50 episodes or more. Now we probably have to wait a year for season 2 to come out.🤬
Seriously, this last two episodes where such bangers! Vaggie getting her wings back, Demons vs Angels, Sir Pentious being a king and kissing Cherri Bomb, him sacrificing himself and be reborn as an angel, Alastor being nearly killed, the Lilith reveal, and my highlight: Charlie and Lucifer showing their powers and fighting Adam! And I cried when Lucifer sung to his daughter! She really showed him that sinners can change and now he supports her in everything! That final song was just beautiful! ❤
And sera’s and Emily opposite faces when seeing sit pentious manifest
Rosie is surprisingly nice for being a cannibal, I really liked her.
She even became a therapist for a moment.
How can you not love Rosie?
I was just surprised he didnt hear a single word from her in the overlords meeting
That scene with Vox looking at Niffty on the TV screen , I think thats foreshadowing on how he's gonna try to take away Niffty from Alastor. Obviously now every powerful demon will want her or want to do business with her as she killed Adam, but Vox will try to take her for power and to hurt Alastor. As he knows that Alastor has a soft spot for her, so she is taken away and is put under Vox's control. It could weaken Alastor, as probably she's the only sunshine that he has in Hell i and now she is gone, it would be the perfect move to finally get rid of him.
They’ll probably offer her a spot amongst the Overlords, since she was able to kill Adam without even trying.
Tbf, he was already at "Niffty stabbing height" and if I had to guess the needle was of angelic steel. besides Charlie gave her permission to stab any angel. *but like the little adorable gremlin she is, Niffty prolly would've do it anyways. So Vox taking Niffty away would make sense*
Alastor probably has nifty’s soul though…
He might but he may not, hopefully in season 2 they give us more info on her
Charlie basically just wrote Alistor a blank check, she is going to have to deal with that at some point
I think the reason Alastor wanted a deal from Charlie so bad is because if he is owned by Lilith, then a favor from her could be having Charlie end Alastor’s deal with Lilith. It would explain why he was so desperate for a deal, and why specifically with Charlie.
I do believe that they get a power boost from the deals aswell. Making a deal with her would be nuclear compared to a normal soul. That is why the tv guy wanted to prevent Alistair from making a deal with her
Frankly, I don't think Alastor sold his soul. I'm leaning to theory that the deal he made restrained him and ended his carnage 7 years ago. Why did Al stop his bloody race for power? Because he was satisfied overthrowing the overlords? Nope, he's not someone who would stop unless he's at the top. Something made him stop the carnage, the deal I suppose. Restrained his power (what he has shown in the fight with Adam is clearly not enough power to massacre most ancient powerhouses of hell). Though, I can't think for legit reason that would make him stuck this deal.
And why not selling his soul? Well it's guessing, but I think making a deal with soul is rather straight forward. Someone gains full ownership over you and can use you as they please. But Alastor seems to be in tricky situation and have the leeway of searching for loopholes in the deal. Like the content of the deal is most detailed, but not an absolute order. And another thing, deal for soul seems to be only reversible by taking back the soul, but again, Alastor is searching for loopholes, so it should have other means to free oneself from it.
In short a soul deal but not deal for soul.
And yes, obviously the favour from Charlie is for freeing himself
@@ardna it’s implied he did sell his soul though as husk said “lot of talk for someone who’s also on a leash” and so far with husk and angel we are seen when someone owns your soul they physically own you as they can summon a collar and chain on you at will
@@GlitchyHalo yeah, I have thought about it, and though I'm really uncertain, I think that a deal that doesn't include selling soul binds as well. I mean, we didn't see any 'normal' deal being executed, so who knows how it looks like. Anyway I still think the 'leash' Husk mentioned is more figurative. Either way, selling soul has sense as well
Idk what I found most shocking, Adam’s face/death, Alastor getting hurt, sir pentious death, or Lilith finally getting revealed at the end of it
For me it was Adams face, kinda boring, but I was sure he wasnt wearing a mask
When he was doing he looked very... human
@@WikterRor2807well he is the first man afterall.
For me, the only reason the hotel was able to fight back was because of the presence of Alastor to occupy Adam.
Without him, Adam will have simply obliterated everyone before lucifer can arive
Yepp
Someone else could potential take that role, but yeah...
I hate that Alastor is clearly focused on something devious, he acted like he cared about this all, but with the deal, same deal he wanted to make in day one... he baśni changed that much, even if he does care a little
Well, Charlie would be more even in power, so she could, but yeah because of Adams arrogance and Alastors experience he was able to controll the situation, because Adam wasnt really trying to put too much effort with a fight with "basic demon", at the end the main reason the Hotel stands was Lucifer and there are a lot of theories that the death of Charlies bodyguard summoned Satan, which could make sense if it was a way how to know if Charlie is in danger, so if Charlie stood there, it most probably would have been close to even and after to imposibble to win. But it was better to put Alastor there, because it shows how underpowered Overlords are and how those born with power are above and the hierarchy between those that existed at the start of creation.
I feel like Lucifer didn’t get involved until Charlie’s life was actually in danger because of the deal that was struck Charlie was supposed to remain unharmed in the extermination but Adam broke the deal when he intentionally tried to kill Charlie so Lucifer got involved because he had every right to be and Lucifer can quieter literally teleport too so I feel like he was just watching as things played out till Charlie was actually In danger
@@lilnetty1177 thats true heaven and hell are binded at rules so
Two points of my personal favorites in the last 2 episodes of this season.
1. Carmilla Carmine looks gorgeous with her hair down.😍
2. Cannibal Town is now my favorite part of the Pride Ring of the Pentagram City.
I thought Carmilla was being petty with the hair. Vaggie said "I'm not use to fighting with long hair" so Carmilla was calling her on making an excuse by immediately letting her own hair down and continuing to kick her butt. She looked awesome but I like thinking she was also being like "Really? Long hair? I'll show you fighting with long hair."
Cannibal Town civilians all being convinced into doing anything just by someone singing is amazing. *maybe that's why Al likes to quote "you're never fully dressed without a smile"*
@@jenniflower6569 I myself try to live by that quote.
I like how in the pilot, in the interview on the tv, charlie miserably failed with presenting the hotel through singing, but in cannibal town, a place where no one watches tv, singing works
@@jenniflower6569the singing was the appetizer, Alastor's mention of "angel meat" was what got them on board. A way through a man's heart if not with words, or money, it's his stomach. The cannibals seem to prefer the latter.
Adam's death will surely not go unnoticed. Someone will have to pay the price for this resistance, but I get the feeling that heaven will find itself at conflict with their own people.
I really hope Adam re-manifests in hell as a Sinner. That will be such a hilarious scene and create such interesting story beats!
Adam: “Uhhh, where the ****** am I? Wait, why do my hands look all red? Hold on, I need a mirror or some ****… is that… my face?! AAHHHH!!!”
Roll intro.
😂😂XD!
I Imagine It more like this
Adam:*falls from the Sky* "what the fu##... Why Is everything Red? Why my dress Is Red and Black? *Tries to fly but fails* WHERE THE FU## ARE MY WINGS??? *Sees a window, slowly realises* AAHHHHHHHH!!!!!
*Intro theme starts*
Well, if Demons who redeem themselves can go to Heaven when they die, it's possible Angels who are corrupt can go to Hell when they die.
guys but the intro starts before everything, am I wrong? its not like the office
I legit hope this happens. I had a similar thoughts after stewing on the last episode.
Plus... I'm gonna be honest. Adam was an absolute piece of trash. But, he was a funny piece of trash.
So, him coming back as a sinner would be amazing on multiple levels.
Also.... Design wise, it would be some irony if his face as a sinner looked EXACTLY like his mask.
Calling it now. Adam as a sinner will just be Alex Blitzøman
Quick theory I have after seeing the finale:
I know the final scene set up Lilith as the next main villan, but honestly, I think that's a red herring. I expect her to either be a secondary antagonist, or not one at all and the reveal being that she was tricking the angels in some way. As for who the REAL villain will be, I still expect it to be Sera, call it a hunch, but I don't think she's gonna like being proven wrong so quickly.
With her actions seemingly being devoted to the protection of heaven at any cost, and the actions she committed, it seems her entire world view will be tipped upside down due to this revelation, as now she knows she is responsible for many souls that could have been redeemed. I could see her becoming so unhinged she falls.
@@TheDerek14tbh her " to do what was required " line in episode 6 made her kinda seem unhinged. Like she enjoys the extermination.
@@TheDerek14 y'know what, here's a quick prediction of the plot for the first episode of season 2 (if I'm right I'll come back here and pat myself on the back, lol):
There will be an A and B plot. One will be centered around the aftermath at the Hazbin Hotel, but the other, more important one will be up in heaven. Sera will want to keep the fact that souls can be redeemed a secret, and will lock or hide away sir pentious. Emily will obviously oppose this and get into an argument with Sera, it's there she'll start to reveal her true colors. I expect Sera to not just want to protect heaven, but also to be a bit power hungry / elitist. The scene will cut away before we get to see exactly what happens, but the episode will end at the hotel, they'll get a knock at the door, and it'll be (the now fallen) Emily, ready to explain to the gang everything that went down.
@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodsc1447I think it’ll be Alastor, in the reprise of Happy day in hell Alastor says he’ll be the one “pulling all the strings”
I think it's Eve
Side note theory:
When we saw Lucifer come to the hotel, he was sweet with Razzle and Dazzle and said: “Look how much you haven’t grown!”
At the time we assumed this was just a funny personalized variation on the old “look how much you’ve grown”
But with episode 8, we got to see them grow to huge size but only when called upon for battle. So…maybe Lucifer was expressing how glad he was that they hadn’t had to grow in size to protect his daughter.
I love how this video came out literal minutes after I watched the finale
Same LMAO
The show comes out Thursday
same
I just finished it myself
Same LOL
Okay but I love that the snake on Lucifers hat is actually his Halo, like that's such a cool little detail
I assume its because the angelic weapons actually dampen their healing factor, because we saw Vaggie assumed her wings were gone for good, but because she over time still did recover them, that they dampen the healing ability they can likely do to normal damages.
so nobody mentioning charlie's glowing red arm powerup? when she caught adam's attack bare handed to his shock?
seriously though, charlie probably has more power than she or anyone around her knows.
A refrence to her First hellboy Design
Looks like vizie mixed Pilot Charlie with zoophobia Charlie the red one
I have a theory: In court, Charlie will find out Pentious went to Heaven and afterwards she told her friends, which may cause Cherri to wanna redeem herself to see Pentious agaiin
Carmilla did explain that the reason no one had figured this out before is because angelic steel isn't exactly easy to obtain and it's in limited quantity. The only way to get it is to survive extermination and, then go scavenging for whatever gets left behind, for the chance of killing something that's purportedly immortal/invulnerable. The only reason she figured it out is because of sheer luck. If she didn't have those shoes, if the angels had been a little faster, or if she'd missed, no one would have figured it out.
To be fair the fact that angelic weapons can harm greater hell born demons was a big ass clue the denizens of hell were ignoring. Its far more most people who could afford them were too risk averse to test any theories and giving such to a minion means you've created somebody that can now kill you.
I'm guessing there is some non-cloud parts of Heaven that Carmilla learned of. Perhaps some sort of excavation site in the Circle of Limbo of it's canon to the Hellaverse?
Calling out that Adam has now died and could appear in Hell in some capacity - good call.
Well with sir pentious being the first sinner to enter heaven ever really proves that every sinner can be redeemed
So no one is gonna mention that in the last song of episode 8 lucifer turned kiki into a keyblade.
Pride ring confirmed in KH4
FINALLY someone said it!
He literally used Keykey as a magic wand to summon those planks and support beams. I thought I was going mad!
THANK YOU I THOUGHT I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED IT AHHH XDD
I believe Camilla stated that the only thing that could kill an angel was angelic steel in episode 7, which most hellions did not have. They could fight back, but not actually KILL/mortally wound the angels unless great power was expended (Lucifer’s damage on Adam). This would explain why most didn’t fight back because it was futile.
As for the cannibals, they were distractions during the fight to give those with angelic steel a chance at better fighting odds rather than trying to 1v40 the exorcists.
I never realized how poetic it is that Sir Pentious, a Snake Sinner is the first soul to ever be redeemed in this show.
So when Vivziepop announced he would be a more a prominent character than just a villian of the week, she basically said she had come up with better plans for him.
Excellent writing choices were made here!!!!!!
Would it be possible a soul in heaven to come visit hell . I mean sir pentious doesn’t seem like the person who’d forget about his friends and most likely miss them so it would be nice for him to see them again even after he redeemed himself.
Yeah, He still need to hook up with Cherri.
@@xenoemblem7absolutely, hes gotta get that ship sailing, so either shes gotta be redeemed or he has to be able visit
would he be one of those weird flying snakes then?
I can see Sera trying to keep him away from hell to not confirm Charlie’s theory but everyone being ignorant to it until Emily realizes and blows up at her
That's where I think the Heaven Embassy will come into play. Him and Emily can use it.
The finale was such an epic showdown, seeing Charlie and Lucifer kick the absolute s*** out of Adam. At the same time, Lucifer roasts Adam over, ending up with Lilith, Sir Pentious sadly sacrificing himself after kissing Cherri like a total CHAD, and Niffty stabbing Adam to death. I loved this show so much, and it truly felt like the wait was worth it.
Plus, we know finally that Sinners can, in fact, be redeemed, with Pentious ending up in Heaven, which had me ROARING WITH JOY because he was a total legend who earned it.
It also looks like Lilith will be an antagonist next season and try to stop Charlie under some deal with Heaven, so I imagine this will cause a lot of family conflict for Charlie next season.
Weird how Adam never said well your wife left you to come back to me sooo what does that mean
@@wolfsbanealphas617 I assume either Adam didnt know or Lucifer knows were Lilith is
Charlie went from daddy issues, to mommy issues
@@dominiklange8382Adam definetly knows...knew😅 as lute says they had a deal
Season 2 is gonna be insane.
I'm convinced though that we haven't seen the last of Sir Pentious just yet, and he could become a key character in either season 2 or 3, since him appearing in front of Sera now shows the council that sinners can in fact be saved.
I guess hes gonna show up in like 2 or 3 episodes, in any episodes mentuoning heaven... unless the season will be more focused on heaven which might be
Sir Pentious was such a doofenshmirtz kind of character, also in the Q & A, Vivzie liked pentious too 😂
i was fr devistated that he died but good thing he's in heaven now, idk if he can reunite with cherri though?
Rosie is such a sweetheart and I love her! "Edit is it bad i even like susan?" Lol
Susan is freaking hilarious. I loved her
@@CF-or3ci the amount of shade alastor and rosie through at her... Just for her to be a mean old granny lol i love it
Man I’m so proud of this show it’s absolutely amazing and I can’t wait for season 2 and More
The little smile Adam gives Lute, who else had their heartstrings pulled? Perhaps he isn't exactly the man he led us, and himself, to believe. How did he know about Angel and open a one-way portal to him? One wonders if he may refer to Angel as Anthony. Adam might be using his personality to mask his torment and spur his actions. If the exterminations are mercy killings, I imagine letting even a single one go would be intolerable.
I theorize that sinners go to heaven as soon as they are redeemed as long as they still own their souls, which just happened to coincide with Sir Pent's death in this case. Not every sinner need be redeemed with the ultimate sacrifice. This is why the Vs will be more important in the later seasons of Hazbin, since we can't redeem Angel without killing or otherwise disabling Val.
Here's what I think is going to happen.
Revelation of Lillith's role in the show.
Sera becomes a MUCH more proactive threat. Sir Pentious becoming a Seraph and literally showing up RIGHT at their table is a blatant sign that the structure of power that puts Sera at the top is VERY fragile. She isn't going to just take that standing down.
Lute is also the one in charge of the Exorcists now that Adam is dead. This will NOT be the last we see of her.
The Vees become more involved due to the perceived power vacuum. Vox seeing Alastor get his ass kicked might give him one hell of a power boner.
It did give him a power boner though, he even shouts "I'm So Hard Right Now!" As Valentino and Velvette both look at him like: "👁👄👁 bruh chill-"
So the eye designs could mean hes a seraph?
I thought of that...
So what, seraphs could be the eqilivant to overlords?
Ahh its the worldbuilding that ai love about this show❤❤❤, i could definetly do without the weird relationships
Wait, sir pentious is a seraph now?
prob not a seraph cuz pf lack of wings compared to confirmed seraphims
Huh, Pentious as a Seraph would be a very interesting plot point and would explain why he immediately spawned in their meeting room and not say, at the gate with St. Peter
I would like to hold onto the idea that Adam may come back as a demon.
I love to see Adam back as character. I like to see him redeem and joins the Hazbin Hotel in the future seasons if he comes back in future seasons. But who knows, right now his dead for good. I just feel this character is entertaining and I can see him being good and becoming good friends of Charlie in the future but only time will tell.
I want alastor to survive Adam may stay dead in the viod or get in hell instead who knows
@jasminkrieger8464 yeah only time will tell. I'm already excited about season 2 Hazbin Hotel. Also I hope we get more Helluva boss soon and see how they tie things into Helluva boss with Hazbin Hotel
I think hes dead dead.
He was literally a ŝWinner, a human soul... and they disappear after getting killed with an angelic weapon.
2nd argument.
If he wasnt dead, and just reapeared, there would be 2 scene at the end...
One with sir pentious in heaven, and one with Adam in hell... to show that neither is forever
@@WikterRor2807 maybe there going to be a scene in a trailer or in the beginning of season 2?
@@Ryan-il8ip with viz, its possible, but I still think it is how it is
Im guessing that the reson Lucifer was late was because of the pardon. He wasn't allowed to stop the extermination but when his daughters life was in jeopardy by Adam. Heaven officially broke their side of the deal so he was now free to fight the exterminators
6:45 I really hope so , because we would see his full story and development , and he could really have a second chance to make peace With everyone
When we got to see Adams face I laughed so hard cause he looks like my friend named Adam
Omg he does look like "an Adam"
Bland😅
@@WikterRor2807 no I mean he genuinely looks like the character 😭😭😭 @Mushyboi1215
@@str1derr0s3 I get you, im just saying that your friend looks bland af 😆
@@WikterRor2807 😂
The reason Hell never stood up before is threefold, imo:
1) The exterminations were started for the exact reason of never allowing Hell to amass enough power to fight. The numbers were on Heaven's side, and the power as well. As we saw, Adam could have soloed the whole Hotel until Lucifer showed up - and there was no reason to believe Lucifer would have contributed to previous fights. Standing up to Adam would've just meant death with a massive inflow of demons to fight (which, again, the Exterminations prevented).
2) This small battle required 3 (4?) separate factions of Hell cooperating to win (and again, only off the back of Lucifer). Let me reiterate: Sinners actively helping one another is REQUIRED to even stand a chance. Which overlords can and would put their own necks or power on the line to help others out?
3) Camilla (sp?) was right when she said Hell couldn't win an outright war. We can see Lucifer's power was enough to mock Adam in combat, but we also saw Adam was a match for an Overlord. Now remember that Lucifer's power largely comes from his angelic powers. There are thousands of angels who are, at the least, playing on his level. A full on uprising is impossible into those odds. I acknowledge that many angels would be unwilling to fight, but remember that prior to Charlie and Emily meeting, everyone assumed Heaven was a monolithic society dedicated to their destruction.
So why was there no uprising prior to Charlie?
Because you needed someone capable of uniting the resources of multiple factions while packing multiple overlord-level threats, all to ultimately still lose without essential divine intervention.
plus the other angels. Adam exocists are hunters, but angel who under command of Michael? These ones would be soldiers, no easy to fight.
Well Lucifer is a Sera who is the highest ranking angel. He's on the same level of Emily and Sera and no other angels/mortal souls below that can challenge him. These three are second only to god.
@@plaguedoc7727 We don't have a clear picture of how many Seraphim there are. We know for sure there are at least 2 besides Lucifer, but even if we just say Sera and Em are the only others, that still dramatically shifts all of the power into the hands of Heaven. Add in that there are other classes of Angelic beings (Ophanim!) which we've seen in passing but haven't had direct conflict/interaction with, and you're still looking at a very one-sided battle.
Just on a side note; kinda funny how one sided it was between Adam and Lucifer as soon as Lucifer went all out.
The Hazbin Hotel Season 1 Finale was so amazing and its so cool that Sir Pentious is the first Sinner to make it into Heaven due to sacrificing himself to save everyone! Plus seeing Lilith at the end of the episode os very shocking.🤩😮
I’m so grateful that Charlie and Vaggie kissed in the finale
I made me ball my eyes out thanks to that scene 😂
fr like, chaggie kiss was all I ever wanted and I got it
Fear is a powerful weapon and if you do not think your enemy can be killed the instinct is to flee. Exorcist being killed was never on the table until resently.
it’s ironic sir pentious was redeemed, as a serpent tempted eve into taking the sacred fruit.
I was really confused when Alastor sang "the constraints of my deal surely have a backdoor" because he never actually made a restricting deal in the show or pilot (except for helping Vaggie with the video and Charlie with info, but those don't scream "I have a heart and I must sin" to me). I think this is really good evidence that he made a deal with Lilith, or at least someone else in heaven, who's keeping him from going too violent for some motive.
I think that this is pretty much a sure thing at this point
I'm so happy the character who wasn't even supposed to be in the show was the first one redeemed
I feel adam is the equivalent to the Norse god baldr. When baldr died, it started the events of ragnarok. And the way pen got into heaven equivalent to getting into valhalla.
Careful giving for granted new seasons, even if greenlit... i remember being so excited for season 2 of Inside Job as well...
Oh my goddd the last episode WAS SO GOOOODDDD
I could see Adam manifest in hell as a sinner (to show that neither hell nor heaven are forever but rather results of our character and our actions) ...
but they woul have to explain in my opinion why he out of all people would get reincarnated (aka a second chance) but none of the millions maybe even billions of sinners that died in the previous exterminations or the sinners/winners that died in episode 8 (assuming the exorcists are human souls as well)
Also r.i.p dazzle 😢 he was just the cutest thing
I actually do have a way I think it could work
It's based on the concept that angelic weapons when they kill something separate the soul from the vessel(body) leaving it exposed. if your vessel , soul and the environment when the separation occurs in an all match case then your soul becomes part of the environment (dissolving into the environment) as the new vessel and is unable to reform a new body because it already merged with a new vessel (forming the eyes in the environment) but if there is a mismatch between environment and vessel then your soul gets the ability to reconstruct itself in the environment matching the soul with the new vessel aligning with the soul and environment, so only when a 3 don't match up does redemption or falling become possible and because redemption was thought to be impossible there has never been a situation when a sinner has knowingly created this disconnect between environment, self and vessel and because of the trauma of the exterminations and the fear all sinners would feel even if repentant the trauma of the event would destroy their memories so even if they went to heaven they'ed arrive with amnesia and everyone would be none the wiser just assuming they died on earth and arrived I heaven maintaining the idea that redemption isn't possible through a lack of true understanding.
Adam an angel(vessel type), died In hell(environment(foreign to the vessel), but his soul was evil in contrast with his vessel(synchronising with the environment but not merging with it since his prior vessel wasn't of the same nature as the environment) , Equalling the opportunity to reconstruct a new vessel in hell becoming a sinner
If i had to guess the reason Adam acted the way he did was due to years of seeing what humanity became, and probably not eating the fruit of knowledge in this universe making him blind to the actual world of good and evil
Yes facts imagine seeing your children becoming the worse versions of themselves child repost pimps slavers cannibals , whores all by choice free will then go to hell and hell is a city were their darker side is encouraged and rewarded the extermination was the punishment for all they had done . Charlie acted like dinners were billing in pots tortured and flogged but thets not happening so what was the issue
Who else noticed the way vox was smiling as he was watching nifty on the TV
I feel like thats a teaser to something
As Camile said those with acces to angelic weapons are not eager to test them against the exterminators, and since those people would be pretty powerful themselves they would be high chances of surviving by hidding, making the number of reveling sinners that could actually kill an angel cero
I was thinking about all the theories I heard from this channel while watching the last episodes
I think Sinners didn’t try fighting them because most likely at the beginning of the first exterminations they tried to fight the angels, only for their weapons to have no effect. This mostly likely led to the majority of inhabitants believing they can’t be killed and remember, angelic weapons are rare.
I'm hoping season two expanse more on the characters themselves. Like, not just their lives in Hell but their lives before Hell. When they were still on Earth and what exactly they all did to get sent to Hell or if they did anything at all to be sent there fairly. Also, it appears Nifty and Alastor might be a lot closer than they appear with the whole scene they had between them talking about liking the hotel. I'm really curious how they met and why Alastor seems to be fond of her.
Part of me wonders if there were sinners that did fight back against the exorcists in the past at first, but they were only attacking with hellborn weaponry and didn't think to use angelic weapons until Camilla (the Overlord that probably owns the most angelic weapons and probably offered her arsenal to Charlie and co) was able to. Camilla mentions that in Episode 7 that the sinners who probably could have thought to use the angelic weapons against the exorcists were already dead, so Camilla was probably one of the rare few to be able to since she probably has the largest angelic arsenal in hell (save for the few that probably have gotten smuggled into the other rings of hell, like with Striker).
The episode 7 Camilla song was SO unbelievably phenomenal it’s my new favourite song and favourite female sung song with my favourite male sung song being Adam’s song and it was awesome to see what he looked like under the helmet and LED mask
I love every moment of it Carmilla and Rosie definitely won me over and what happened to Sir Pentius was tragic but also a triumph it proves that Charlie's projects does work that a center can reformed. But what really got me the most was Lilith I spent most of the night looking at fan theories on Twitter
One thing I noted was that Heaven is united and very structured compared to hell where they fight each other as often as they can fight heaven. Reminds me of the robert baratheon one army speech.
Charlie had to do a literal song and dance just to convince the cannibals imagine trying to convince the vees or any other overlord to stick their necks out for no gain
They probably rebelled in the past but were all killed for it. Probably why all the older, and more cruel demons are gone from the story. We know angelic weapons can harm angels but even after years of exterminations, the amount of weapons left behind are actually rare as said by Carmilla Carmine. Those rebellion probably failed due to being unable to actually defeat angels. As this is repeated over and over again, they all most likely gave up, seeing it more like an fact of life. Most probably trying to escape or hide instead of fight.
I also found it strange too, considering Lucifer himself said Charlie did the impossible in 10,000 years. 10,000?! 😱 No one, and I mean NOBODY for that long has tried to rebel or even figured out angelic weapons can kill them?
They might have thought of it, but no one was as brave as Charlie to actually try it!
Its not a "bravery" thing@@Babyducks825
The Angels cornered so many sinners, and let's take a look at angel dust...
He has these tommy guns that can hurt them?
So if the angels would see him during an extwrminatuon, he would almost definetly Tey to defend himself
@@WikterRor2807 They were probably loaded with holy bullets, same as Striker's revolvers
@@Richtofen-gy9cj Aren't his weapons, as moxie says-"blessing tipped"
It is a big plothole in this show, how exterminators were never killed until Carmilla. In episode 7 we see a brief flashback how she and her daughter were fleeing, and there are scattered holy weapons left behind in the battlefield. They left their own weapons there, those exorcists just didn't think that those same weapons will be turned against them one day. As well as that no denizen in hell ever thought of using those weapons to test them against angels. Maybe the threat of double death made them a coward, thats understandable, but at the same time there are many in hell who don't have anything to lose and live for.
Carmilla explained to Vaggie that no one figured out such a simple weakness because it was too risky to test. At first you would think that angels wouldn't be hurt by their own power. Like how you wouldn't use fire against a fire elemental. Carmilla didn't expect to survive that fight and was trying help her daughters escape. Killing the angel was pure luck on her part.
the episodes came out at like 1:10 am for me and after I watched 2 episodes, i couldn't sleep until 5 am while I was still processing about what just happened lol (i already got lots of theories) then i kept waiting for ur video
After seeing all the video about those 2 episodes, I wonder two things :
- Sir Pentious, a sinner, died heroically and was sent to heaven... ok... What about Adam : an angel, doing a senseless massacre in hell, died... Is he coming back as some kind of sinner ? I draw a crude parallel here, but who know.
- Charlie made a deal with Alastor. I have one question : Can a pact be transmitted to someone else, be it the beneficiary or the holder ? If the info go out that Charlie, the third in the whole hierarchy, is now in debt with Alastor, (and if I'm right with my supposition) many might try to steal the pact to use it for bad reason.
She said she didn't make a soul deal. Only a deal with him so she knows about how angels can in fact be killed as well
Rest in peace Dazzle!😢🙏🏾
It’s reached #1 in the US!! I think that’s insane!! Didn’t even know that Amazon had a ranking system like that , I’m so proud of Viv and the world she’s made ! Great work to the entire team that made it all happen 🎉♥️
Pretty sure the alistor deal will be.
Lucy steps down, giving Charlie the throne.
"Alistor walks up."
Alistor: "Ahem, I'd like to call that favor in now.... the throne belongs to me now."
That'll probably be the payoff, then afterwords Alistor either becomes the big bad, or redeems himself by giving it back to Charlie or something.
I think his favor will involve her dealing with whatever is limiting him in his deal (probably to Lilith).
A favor he could call in anytime that doesn't involve killing. Yeah, seems plausible but with the leash on his neck, he's not gonna be able to enjoy that power anytime soon.
Biggest reason why hell didn't rebel against the extermination was because angels were virtually unkillable, angel steel is too rare to be used by the common folk and the elite wouldn't be normally in danger to try it agaist them. That is the reason why only now they had a chance. The angels fighting style made them open to counter attacks and that was why they lost to a larger groop of now armed sinners.
Regarding the "fight back", I think no one ever thought it could be possible. Remember the reaction of the overlords. No one thought it was possible to kill an angel. It took the ONE person with access to angelic weapons being unexpectedly backed against a wall and a good dose of momma bear instinct and desperation to discover that the exorcists were not invincible
Adam is going to return in season 2 because 1. His character arc doesn’t seem over 2. He could reincarnate/regenerate in hell like sir pensige got redeemed to heaven and we can see how Adam reacts in hell3. We still didn’t see how Adam, Lilith, and Eve will interact with each other
4. Maybe Adam will go to the hazbin hotel to try to get back to heaven and we can see how he interacts with the main cast
5. Maybe Adam and Alastor make a deal
This is just a theory
All these theories base on the technicalities of the weapons? I guess?
I feel like angelic weapons do the final death every time, so Adam is very much dead.
And I feel that Adam's magic works the same as Alastor's magic, or any other overlord's..
They can "destroy" a sinners body, but they just remanifest.
Sirpentious would just reapear at hell if he wasnt elidgeble for heaven. He was just "restarted😅"
I am more concerned with how Sir Pentious is going to be treated at the moment here. Will this led to the discrimination against those who shall be dubbed as the Redeemers when Charlie's hotel ended up becoming a success?
So glad you brought up the Sir Pentious and Adma reforming thing because I have a theory that it's tied to dying via good or bad deeds
To put it simply Sir Pentious dying via sacrificing his life in an attempt to save everyone else's is death for a good cause, meanwhile, Adam could be reformed into hell via bad deeds of well yah no actual genocide.
So essentially I believe sinners can be reformed into winners, and winners into sinners based on the deeds they've committed before dying.
I saw in another comment from another theory vid that Alastor could've possibly made a deal with Cain (Adam's son) who was the first murderer. Makes sort of a corelation considering Alastor's backstory too.
That's an interesting theory
They weren't mentioned so I feel likenthey aren't mention to be part of the story.
The show likes doing foreshadowing way too much for that
I believe season 2 will cover:
-Alastor banking in on his deal with Charlie
-The sinners now rampaging and doing whatever they want since they don't have to worry about dying again
-Lilith's explanation about why she went to heaven (maybe she wanted more sinners to rise up)
I assume it is some deal to protect her family. Tho Idk why she would want to stay there ... Her being there seems very strange as in the fairytale Lilith was pictured as the true leader of hell. Libeatream lore pictured Morningstar family like the Adams...
What puts me of the most is Adam never used Lilith s location against Lucifer. Did Adam not know? Or did Lucifer know?
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO ALL DAYY!! TYSMM
The fact of why the sinners never fought back, was due to the fact that getting a angelic weapon was too hard, since carmine gathered most after extermination, and if someone got one, it would be too risky to use it against angels.
I believe some sinners might have tried to rebel, but failed, after all they didn't know angels could die, nor the means to do it, it's like Carmine said, the few who got angelic weapons wouldn't try them on angels