Lucifer, Sera, & the Angels of Heaven: Everything We Learned In Hazbin Hotel Episodes 5 + 6!
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given the "dad beat dad" episode the way husk talks to alastor implies he is under contract himself, if i had to hazard a guess he is under the conract of lilith. it is why no one know alastor's true intentions, he isn't here by choice he is being forced.
is that your family visualed by demon form
nice touch
Would love to see Jesus.
*maybe spoilers* Can you do a alastor and lilith theory? We had alastor leave 7 years ago, at the same time lilith left lucifer 7 years ago. Also husk and alastor conversation in the hallway.
I love the almost instant sisterly bond that formed between Charlie and Emily, its great to know that there *are* angels who care about all human souls regardless of where they ended up like Charlie does
Well, that aside, Lucifer is a seraphim, perhaps Sera's brother
Maybe Emily and Charlie are indeed family by blood
I was smitted with her the second I saw her trading card, even though hers wasn't among the ones I got. She struck me as way too cute and endearing to be an antagonist.
Kind of like Clementine from TellTale's The Walking Dead, or Papyrus and Noelle from Undertale and Deltarune.
@@mysticpumpkin8520 yeah Lucifer is thrown as a Seraphim so he definitely is one. I was gonna say that exact theory
More than just that, most of them are shocked about the revelation that there are frequent purges. Sera herself is explicitely stating that she's been keeping this a secret and that she's acting the way she is because of her options being limited. While this isn't a justification for what she's doing, it does paint a contrast between her and Adam/Lute who are the only angels shown so far to really buy into the whole yearly extermination thing whole hearted. With Lute being a zealot and Adam being, just, the perfect great-granddick of every other dick that ever fucked.
I haven’t watched the episode, but the way I see it the average angel is probably somewhat chill with demons. Sure they probably have their guard up cuz well that’s understandable with their perspective but still
_"If hell is forever then heaven must be a lie"_
Hits hard
Eemooootional daamage !!!
very much so
It needs the qualifier of, "if angels can do whatever and remain in the sky!" But when you take the two lines together, yes, hits hard.
Suddenly that bit of fanart of Verosika Mayday as an angel doesn't seem quite as farfetched as before.
That's kind of the problem with the whole "good vs. evil" worldview.
If angels are absolute good then anything they do (no matter how cruel or heartless) is "good" and if demons are absolute evil then anything they do (no matter how generous or kind) is "evil".
The theories about Vaggie being an angel were right!!
Wonder how Charlie never knew? I thought she did know of her situation. When Lucifer saw her I thought his reaction would be suspicious cause I assumed he'd recognize an archangel.
Yeah. That was a bomb. But another - supernova-sized bomb was info that ... Heaven actually has no idea what human has to do to be in heaven, plus majority of Heaven does not know about extermination. Whoops... and Adam being d**kmaster again letting that slip in public while he was explicitly asked to keep this info among exorcists only. While Emily hehe being a Heaven's counterpart to Charlie which is nice.
I knew it
@@10RexTheWolf01she isn't and wasn't an archangel. She was just an exterminator, one of the thousands
Yoooooo ikr I was so excited
It explains so much why vaggie lacks sinful tendencies like drinking, fighting. I read the theories about her being a former angel, but still after seeing this it still came as a shocking revelation.
Also it shows how corrupt angels can be. Vaggie has shown more virtue in this scene alone than adam in his whole 2 episode existence.
I always thought it was because the only reason she was in hell was because she committed suicide
But she's a demented homosexual. I'd say she still has those tendencies.
I dont think angels THAT corrupt, more like Adam is corrupt
@@Adam-326you blame her being violent when she's in a place full of fight and killings
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I mean, literally the first time we see him he is already being very lustful.
Very concerning why a seraphim needed a secret, and really disappointing that Adam still can't follow one rule. The keeping him because he is directly made by God himself is just making his attitude worse.
Daddies boy
I wouldn’t give two flying f**ks about my first creations if they were as horrible as him.
For real. Sera, what is it that we do not know??? Why are the rules not written down???
A spoiled brat
@@emeraldmorgan6644 exactly
Love the direction they’re going with for Lucifer. Would have been easy to go the whole "Yeah actually angels are all assholes and Lucifer was a good guy 100%." The guy legitimately seems to regret his actions but still feels like his ideas were never given a chance to flourish.
From what I can tell the other angels kicked him out for standing out and wanting to do things differently
Angst-ridden chaos gremlin ho!!!!
I don't think he regrets his actions per se, but rather he seems immensely disappointed and angry that his ideas were not given a chance. This is probably why he is depressed and protective of charlie, he knows first hand what heaven will do to any that questions or disrupts the status quo, regardless of intention or result.
Don't forget right after the whole apple incident, guy's been condemned to "ONLY EVER SEE THE WORST OF HUMANS".
He was never given the chance to see the GOOD his gift gave to humanity!!! It's true he opened the Pandora's box of sins, but he also unleashed creativity, shrewd, hope into the world. Thanks to the gift of free Will, humans are not mindless robots.
My guess is that the role of the more Devilish figure in Hell will be given to Satan instead. He is confirmed to be a separate entity in the Hellaverse, and Viv describes him as being one of the more traditional depictions of the Seven Deadly Sins.
I’m glad Heaven wasn’t just full of entitled jerks.
yea it would defeat the purpose of the show if that was true
Same !
Hell, we even say very gay looking angels and furries (yes people, even furries and the gays can go to heaven😂)
No wonder Charlie wants to sent people here. This place is awesome and everyone is just adorable
Yeah Heaven has some corruption but not everyone are jerks fortunately.
@@shadowspringtrap3122
As presented initially, yes, it does seem like it.
Now, now, we only saw winners at their best. We don’t know what they would be like if they were to spend some time in a less wonderful place… many could actually just turn into jerks and drop the whole sugary facade… in fact, there wouldn’t be so many recruits for the indiscriminate murder army if heaven was so awesome as Sera presents it to Charlie and, indirectly, to us, the audience.
I have a suspicion there are much darker undertones below that sweet pastel surface of heaven… undertones that not even Emily might be aware of because Sera is a control freak… I mean, St.Paul was huffing and puffing at the end of the intro song because he pushed himself to do it and I suspect many of the stage people around him were put there for the show beforehand. Also, remember the gigantic control room with monitors behind Sera when she talks to Adam? And Sera herself having dozens of eyes? The whole thing is a bit on the nose, everything, even the card with the image of Sera holding a globe, points in the direction of her being a giga control freak.
Knowing this, is it surprising that she didn’t like Lucifer giving others free will? If anything, it actually makes sense.
St. Peter comes across as a nice guy but... every time I see his perfectly coifed hair and dazzling smile I can't help but think it's the good twin of Gideroy Lockart.
Oh no i can't unsee it 😂
I don't know this is the actual saint paul but I don't think so
@@thomasdaywalt7735 it's common to post-Biblical Christian mythology that Saint Peter is the one who meets you at "The Pearly Gates", which are the Biblically canonical gates into a place known as "New Jerusalem" or "Heavenly Jerusalem", which is interpreted as the afterlife for virtuous people, aka just "Heaven". The only person he could be is Saint Peter. I definitely didn't expect the show to have Saint Peter as a peppy, fruity little keet of a twink in a bowtie when he's usually depicted as a somber, bearded old man, but he's cute and doesn't seem like he's happy or thrilled about turning someone away so I like him, especially how excited he gets about singing his welcome song, even if it's just for guests.
@@_star_060_catcher_4 - oh good. Now I'm not alone. *pours a drink*
I mean his everyone is hot line, i thought it was him including himself aswell
So I have a theory on how the Angel was killed by Carmilla. In the flashback to Vaggie we see Lute use a specific sword to cut her eyes and wings out. Notice that Lute and Adam don't take the sword with them. There's even a sound effect of them dropping the sword as they go away. So I think Carmilla or her daughters saw what happened to Vaggie and knew the sword could hurt Angels. They have it but theres only 1 and they can't replicate it. Thats why Carmilla wants to avoid anyone knowing she can kill an Angel. People will expect her to make more but the weapon she has was gained by coincidence. The duet with Vaggie and Carmilla is foreshadowing the fact that Vaggie is protecting Charlie after she became a fallen angel and Carmilla is protecting her loved ones with the weapon used to make Vaggie a fallen angel.
@unruffledhomelander but the spears don't hurt angels it seems. Lute takes out a very specific sword that's very different than any other weapon that the exterminator's use. From a writing perspective, why show it if it's not different from other weapons. The exterminators seem to discard the spears like tooth picks. If these spears were actually harmful to exterminators they'd be more careful. Now why throw away the sword? Cause Lute and Adam are stupid and arrogant. I'm sure they worried about the sword once they realized they left it but thought "it's one sword. What could these stupid sinners do with one sword against an army of exterminators" but coincidentally it fell in the hands of Carmilla, who knows the dangers and power of power of possessing a weapon. Carmilla refused to use it unless she absolutely has to.
istg if this is another confirmed theory in the future omg
This could actually change the game into Charlie's favor. Carmilla would never had found out angels could get hurt if Lute never cut off Vaggie's wings and eye. Carmilla would never have used the sword if Lute didn't leave it in the first place. Sinners would've never found out they can hurt angels if not for Lute. Because of Lute, sinners now actually pose a real threat to heaven.
This would've never happened if exterminations were never a thing. Sera allowed the exterminations to happen for fear of demons causing an uprising, but demons never had an actual chance to do that. Only when Carmilla killed an Angel because of Lute's negligence, something that would've never happened if there was no extermination, did demons found out they have a fighting chance.
The exterminations have caused exactly what it is designed to prevent.
@@trivkypeak-eye3557 my exact thinking as well
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I have a theory, on the 5th episode we see Husk saying *"Big talk for someone who's also on a leash"* to Alastor, making him angry, He then threatened Husk stating he overstepped and he'll dispose of him if he ever mentions it again. Now remember that both Lilith *(charlie's mom)* and Alastor coincidentally went missing for 7 years *(maybe during this time Lilith made a contract with Alastor)* only later then Alastor shows up at the Hotel where he met Charlie, my guess is that Alastor is trying to get close to Charlie so that he can have leverage on Lilith so that he can get his freedom back, there're hints when Alastor was singing along with Lucifer. But of course it could just be him trying to make Lucifer jealous and maybe Lilith could just be ordering him to help Charlie with the Hotel.
Husk (probably) doesnt know what alastor did during that time, but he knows something about the leash.
I think alastor and lillith made a contract and alastors rise to power happened has a result of that contract.
I keep hearing that Alastor’s master is likely to be Roo - who was said to be the main threat of the series but has yet to make a full-on appearance.
@@geoffreyrichards6079That could actually be possible since Roo uses black tentacle like things similar to Alastor
@@geoffreyrichards6079 Imma be real, never heard of Roo before reading a comment about them an hour or two ago and your comment.
I wonder when they debut in the show.
@seDrakonkill same I only learned of her yesterday
I think episode 6 showed 2 things:
First that the cannibals in the cannibal colony are sinners because the exorcists don't hunt down hellborns (I'd assume that they would ignore hellborn cities like Imp City in the pride ring)
Also Vaggie was hurt by angelic weapons...as far as I understood, the exorcists consists of winners and not of heavenborn angels... this would mean that angelic weapons don't specifically work against sinners but rather against human souls in general
Well, Lute was the one who hurt Vaggie, and she is the only one who uses swords. The other exorcists use spears, so maybe only her swords have the power to hurt or kill an angel.
They don't hunt down hellborns cause they are just attacking pride and hellborns can just evacuate somewhere
And imp city is not fully hellborn, that's why imp even has a office there not outside pride
@@Holly-xq5hk spoiler for episode 6 in case you haven't seen it yet:
my point was if the cannibals are also hellborns (some people were discussing about the fact that Rosie and the people of the cannibal colony might be hellborns) than the exorcists would leave them alone like they do with the imps...but Vaggie refused to kill a child that looked like it was part of the colony which would mean that they are human sinners and not hellborn
@@aliferousonyx good point
But sinners cannot reproduce, only hellborns can (unless they retconned it) and Vaggie trying to kill a hellborn doesn't make any sense because Lute specifically tells Charlie in ep 1 "The only reason why you're still here is because daddy gave you and *your hellborn kind* a pardon from an exorcist's blade"
One thing I'm confused about is why Adams list includes "Sticking it to the big man".
Usually, questioning authority is the opposite of what an angel does. Hell, lucifer tried to change something and got cast out. So if anything, pure obedience and naivete would be much more of a thing heaven would want.
After all, you notice how in real life, people who live good lives with rich parents never really question stuff. They never needed to question authority cause stuff just works out for them, while criminals and people from worse off environments generally despise authority, as they have seen all the wrong authority does.
So Adam putting that on the list (even though he just quickly made it up) is strange... Especially cause in this very same episode, we saw Vaggie lose an eye and her wings just for basically not blindly following orders.
I think that "sticking it to the big man" bit kind of backfired on him since Charlie managed to reinterpret that as "standing your ground against terrible people" (a.k.a. abusers).
Well, in real life (at least for what I am being told) free will is actually very important when it comes to determing the morality of an action
Say if you are forced to kill to defend yourself, that wouldnt be a sin since you didnt took a life out of desire, by your own free will, but because of a situation you were forced to, similar to how forced good deeds arent a virtue since you didnt wanted to be good
That would mean that if what Adam said wasnt just for shits and giggles, then just because an authority says you are unredeemable doesnt means you are as long as you yourself try to be better by your own free will and that you should stand your ground as long as you are being virtious
Also lets be honest, the only guy that has a say on what is unredeemable or not is God himself. And Adam isnt the Big G so............profit😅
He’s a hypocrite
@@unruffledhomelanderactually if what those sunday classes and church taught me, it may do
Say for example praying so that people see you as religious. The action itself should be virtious, but the intent and reason is sinful, since its out of pride and vanity, while say killing out of self defense (and some may even include to avenge or defend a loved one). The action should be extremely sinful (so sinful it actually transfers all the sins the victim has onto you, since you are cutting their life short, preventing them from actually repenting) but the intent and reason are so virtious its not consider a sin unless you are very fundamentalistic, and even then is something you can repend to
I know christianity and catholisim has fame of being rather draconian (and it used to be). Believe me, I am gay, I should know, but IRL, and by the looks if it in the show, God is really merciful ans loving, so as long as you willfully repend, there shoudnt be a but or if about it
While Adam does has a point, he is going to far about it, and there seems to be something very dangerous that is preventing Sera from acting the way she would want to
I think it was just a reference to him eating the apple
The reason why Adam was the first person to enter Heaven was because Heaven was new. Meaning he basically was the first ever human to die and they didn't know what made a person be able to step foot into their territory. I have a theory in later seasons that Heaven will finally realize that Adam and Lute are not good people. So they will become fallen angels, not just for that. I think Adam did something bad( like really bad) when alive and is not telling anyone in the fear of being kicked out.
Well where’s eve
@donxx1206 Well it's possible Eve is somewhere else or she's Roo.
He certianly is crude and enjoys killing a lot for someone who made it to Heaven
And the first episode has the line where after the exterminator says "angels dont make mistakes" he follows up with "yeah ive never made a mistake in my entire life!" always seemed off to me
That's one of my two possible thoughts on why he always has the exorcist mask on.
1st thought is that he might have a partly demonic appearance underneath
2nd thought is that it's because of the whole "God created man in his own image" meaning Adam should look pretty similar to God, who has so far been suspiciously absent. Don't have much to substantiate it at the moment but I think at some stage God will be introduced (if they haven't been already) and Adam revealing his face now would make it too easy to work that out
Adam, I see in this series, is nothing more than a big jerk. It also makes me wonder why the guy is in heaven as an angel. He stated before that he never made a mistake in his life, yet I disagree. Adam was the original sinner when he ate the forbidden fruit with Eve , which I consider as the first mistake he made. The second (in my opinion) would be his failure in humanity's upbringing during his years of living. Being the "father of humanity", he should've guided humans to the righteous path but I don't think he took his role seriously. And third, when he became an exorcist angel tasked to kill off sinners, he's basically killing off his own children since they were originally human souls-his descendants of many generations ago. And he doesn't care since he believes he's above them and that they deserved permanent death for their mistakes
Here’s something I noticed. Charlie says that after, her parents split up, Lucifer didn’t want to spend time with her. But we see that that absolutely isn’t the case!
Who, if not Lilith, would have told little Charlie that daddy didn’t want to see her? Who would have told her that incredibly biased sounding story of innocent Lilith running away from big, bad Adam the control freak?
After Lucifer got together with her he made the worst mistake of his life, lost everything and fell into depression.
We don’t know what Adam was like before unless we take her story for granted. So there’s the possibility that seeing his vengeful ex screwing over all of his descendants made him overcompensate.
The one common denominator, who seems to bring out the worst in people before latching onto the next victim, seems to be Lilith! Queen of hell and mother of the succubi!
Facts for all we know she could be a dagmar or Cersei maybe even a dany because the story was suspicious why would you give eve the apple knowing evil would become a thing since right after they were sent to hell she just so happened to make the best of it with a “song “ sounds like she planned for it
Now this is a theory based on my observation and wish that Lilith was not the real evil, but personally I think there is a bit of nuance. In charlie's little flashback it looked like lucifer was in a workshop with many saws. Besides the fact that that is just not safe for kids, it seems to me that lucifer was making something, perhaps a prototype of lu lu world to distract himself from his depression most of the time. This may have lead to him being nonexistent in charlie's upbringing which lead to lilith and lucifer splitting OR this lead to lilith and lucifer becoming distant and charlie was born after lucifer and lilith grew apart.
Another take on why Lilith split from Lucifer and took Charlie with her is that.... they are living in hell among murderers and abusers of all kinds. If you want your daughter to survive, maybe taking her away from her depressed father who lives in a dreamland and doesn't seem to be super assertive is because you make the choice to try to get her to toughen up as she gets older.
I mean the part about Adam being a misogynistic control freak was objectively true
I loved episode 5, It was so awesome to see Lucifer finally make his debut in the show! And even though he thinks that Charlie's mission is impossible, At least he loves and supports his daughter.
And now that Charlie knows that Vaggie is an angel, There's no telling what will happen between them next. Because knowing Charlie despite being heartbroken she'll probably try to forgive Vaggie, But Vaggie will probably avoid Charlie thinking that she doesn't deserve her forgiveness but even if Vaggie did do that I would have no doubt that she would still love Charlie.
I honestly love the fact that Lucifer is actually a loving supportive father who's just trying to earn his daughter's love and respect but accidentally comes across as annoying classic father trop
I think Carmilla was also an Angel at one point, given their shared song with Vaggie and similar appearances to each other as well as other Angels. If I had to guess, she went to Heaven and was once a Human, but her daughters for whatever reason ended up in Hell.
Thus, it seems pretty in-character for her to have abandoned Heaven to protect her daughters in Hell. It would also explain why she wants to avoid personally killing or fighting anyone, and seems to have a very good understanding of angelic weapons and how to make new weapons from them.
My thought exactly. It seems there are really kinder people in hell than in heaven.
That's interesting but it doesn't scan. She has a classical Sinner look
I’m so happy to see Angel Dusts sister in heaven. It’s just refreshing to know that at least one of the two made it into heaven. If Angel dust does get redeemed then he’ll see his sister again 😊
@@abdulazizrex the whole first song in heaven.
imagine being in heaven and knowing your sibling is in hell 😭
I wouldn't rest very well
I feel like them having Molly as a background character was more intentional then them wanting to just have her in there. Angel is probably going to find out his sister is up there and that is going to push him to want redemption even more or it's going to send him backwards depending on how things went down when they were alive.
it makes me wonder if like family members can see or know what’s happening in hell, like in the cherub ad they say to help your family i know its saying on earth but it makes you wonder, like if angels sister would be able to see him i also wonder how she would feel about knowing her brother was in trouble or any other family’s that a spilt ?
@@lil.ghost.spooky that could be why Hell is covered in eyes and how they seen Angel during the trial. I noticed most of every background is covered in different eyes in different palaces.
“If hell if forever then heaven must be a lie” is such a good line
I mean, if Angel’s can fall from grace, why can’t demons rise to grace? If angels can become the damned, why can’t the damned become angels
they probably can but SOMETHING is stopping them... maybe Eve?
Something that was particularly intriguing to me is that Sera seemed to say that the Extermination was Adam’s idea, which in a way makes sense given how much hatred and prejudice he has for Sinners with Sera going along with it because she sees it as necessary to protect her people.🤔
Also, since they only seem to keep mentioning Lucifer as being fallen, that reduces the chances that the other Deadly Sins are fallen angels too if they don’t even imply that their are others, so that still leaves it up in the air how they came to be, possibly coalescing into existence in response to evil making its way to Earth or by some other powerful cosmic force.🤔
In Revelations it is said a third of the angels or “stars” where cast down along with Lucifer. Humanity itself mightve manifested the sins in the show if they dont go with that piece of bible lore.
Mean, Beelzebub is, like, as super hellhound, and Asmodeus looks like he'd fit in with the Goetia, so yeah, the other Sins are probably hellborn
@@icycoldhandsyes, stolas is technically a descendant of fallen angels
in the “winners” trading card, you can see bird-like angels that look very similar to the ars goetia, so maybe those are the avian angels that didn’t fall?
@@stevenhiggins3055 Or the hellborn are descended from all of the fallen angels, hence the family resemblance.
Im going to clear this up. Hell is effectively Lucifers playground. He, after being casted out, decided to make hell like a circus. The seven deadly sins being the Ring Leaders and him being the ring master. Which is shown from the wide variety of circus imagery used when his presence is felt. Such as in his hotel, in his room, in the song "Hells Greatest Dad" and the ending scene to "More Than Anything". This is due to him being a creative dreamer, a true inspiration. But after his dreams were corrupted by sin and over shadowed by the evil of sinners, he decided to stop dreaming, to protect the ones he held nearest.
Vaggie being given the Maleficent treatment as punishment, that gave me chills. I think maybe the defense Sera might be referring to is maybe Eve tried to attack heaven? We haven't seen Eve much but the Lucifer episode kinda struck as eerie, especially the woman holding young Charlie. I think that woman was Eve, not Lilith.
Except we know what Lilith looks like and the woman holding baby Charlie looks exactly the same, even if the face isnt shown
@@crisunderwood8110 One problem. The family photos don't match the woman.
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@@lunamelody2025 why would lucifer let eve take charlie willingly it makes sense it was lillith as its hinted they got a divorce so would take charlie away
@@dat_boi747 There's a rumor that this "Lilith" is not the real one.
Interesting that angels have full angel forms. Hope we see Lucifer’s full seraphim form
Seems like all the seraphim are peacocks. Granted, we've only seen two, but still... peacock Lucifer would have the most fabulous plumage, I'm sure.
@@IceMetalPunk hold on, aren't peacocks an animal that represents pride?
@@probablysatan..5776... And you just made me desperately want to see a peacock Lucifer, thanks!😅
@@probablysatan..5776 I don't know, are they? That'd be interesting.
@@IceMetalPunk something about their tails being a source of pride with how elegant and flashy they are, kinda like a lions mane
Agree with the eyes appearing as if someone is watching through her, as if that entity senses anger, corruption, (any negativity feeling) or knows if Sera will say something that she shouldn’t, the eyes appear to watch over. that would actually be cool.
I'm seeing a recurring theme here. Protecting people from hard truths hurts rather than helps. This is something that Sera, Vaggie, and Carmilla all have in common. 😇😈
Plus Lilith with her sus story to Charlie
@@wolfsbanealphas617 We don't know that Lilith was lying. We can allow her the benefit of the doubt until we get some actual conformation in the show.
@@maxlerouxwhile thats true, there are things that contradict the story
Lucifer absolutly hates sinners and her regret seems to imply way more than just giving Eve the apple. Also heaven isnt the suppostly evil place that is trying to subjugate hell. Everyone was just a bundle of joy and they were horrified when they learned of the extermination (we cant even say they are homophobic, judging by the VERRRRY gay looking angels and the furry angels we say in the welcome song)
The story just seems fabricated to hide something, similar to how Sera, despite hating the extermination judging by her demeanor, is forced to continue it because of something she isnt telling us, something very dangerous to her
@@mysticpumpkin8520the bible was mistranslated, leviticus 18:22 talks about pedophilia, not homosexuality
Truth hurts. Then it sets you free.
The Lucy/Alistair duet was hilarious and the Lucy/Charlie duet was really beautiful. I love how Em and Charlie sound so similar cause they have the same ideology. 9/10 set of episodes
The music “you didn’t know” it’s so good in my opinion, tells so much lore and revelations while the characters are all “fighting” to try to resolve
I thought Sera would be the overarching antagonist above Adam given how intimidating she looked in the trailer. But now that's clearly not the case. She really didn't want to approve another extermination but it looks like Adam exaggerated things and manipulated her to think there would be an uprising. He only revealed Vaggie's secret because he was about to get caught after slipping the truth about the extermination after Angel was shown to not be a terrible person.
She might not even agree with it in the first place, given how she was never really stoked when talking about it.
Even I can see the smile she made in the preview wasn’t real.
I find it very interesting that despite Lucifer being a fallen angel and responsible for the situation that is Hell, he still has enough influence or contacts in Heaven to arrange the meeting with the Head Seraphim for Charlie, and also gotten a Pardon for the Hellborn to protect them from the Exterminations. Either this means he still has friends (maybe Sera) in Heaven, or despite how bad his crime was it wasn't enough to fully strip him of his Seraphim status privelages, at least on a technical level.
What peed me off is that despite Angel Dust's true progress the court still decided that sinners were irredeemable.
Even in fiction the justice system is a joke
To be fair Charile chose a terrible first candidate, rather than choosing somebody who just made one terrible mistake that got them into Hell, like that teacher that had a mental break when she caught her husband cheating from Helluva Boss. Basically she chose a long term project sinner instead of a proof of concept sinner.
@@anvos658yea that makes sense, but i feel like regardless since they have no clue how tf this all works regardless they would have a bad time saying sinners can be redeemed no matter how good the sinner was, bc if they became so good why arent they up here with us? They only know when a soul arrives and now have to ask the question of how does this whole sinner or winner deal works
@@missnoob4015 Me: OH! So you didn’t question that from the very FUCKING beginning?!
Adam: …
Lute: …
Every Angel that knows about the Exterminations: …No?
Me: You all. SUCK ASS! At your job.
@@missnoob4015 That would explain why adam says the rules are black and white. As hell is internal while heaven seems to be temporary or can be taken away since it is paradise. That also begs the question do these souls really deserve redemption they earned their place there
The symbols that have appeared during Alastor being terrifying at times, like the flashback to him taking down the 1930s Overlords of the time or when he said to Frank to keep the secret about who killed the angel between each other, are ones that have been historically used in esoteric rituals.
I’m guessing that when Alastor was still alive as a human, he formed a pact with Lilith.
So when he died and went to hell, the reason why he immediately had a leg up over the other established 1930’s Overlords of the time, was because of the power granted to him by Lilith.
He was a serial killer and perhaps did practice voodoo rituals as he lived in New Orleans, perhaps even summoned demons like we see in Helluva Boss do. It's possible he contacted either Lucifer or Lilith in exchange for power though because he looks different in Hell, Lucifer might not recognize him. A lot of sinners were devil worshippers too but Lulu doesn't seem interested in their fate in hell. Lucifer is just too adorable in this series to paint as a "bad guy". But we all know Alastor has secrets.
I have a theory that the big man upstairs isn't around heaven anymore probably left in a type depressive state like Lucifer had as we seen about the mess and how things weren't working out like he wanted leaving others to manage the souls and other things in heaven but left somethings in auto pilot like the condition to get in heaven and now those in charge are running amok of things
For some reason after reading this I'm thinking of Supernatural somewhat. Specifically these quotes.
"Oh God..."- Kelly Kline
"No, actually... He left."- Castiel
That would make sense, I wonder if he doesn't even know what's going on
Someone call God, because tbh we need him to put some order here😂
@@mysticpumpkin8520 I agree
@@midnights2631 my thoughts is either no one know where he when and to spread the fact around so it don't reach Lucifer so he thinks that God the one not listening/supporters what going on,or that he in is part in heaven recluse ready to step in if ask but think everything running smoothly and the angles not wanting to get in trouble from dad hide what they are doing from him in any family visits/ talks
I really like the little detail of when Charlie went through her contacts and there were actually demon names from abrahamic myth in it, even belphagor who’s a sin. Just a fun detail and honestly makes me wanna see belphagor even more now
I feel so bad for Lucifer. If you remember the end of 1x6, Adam directly threatened Charlie and that he would "go for the hotel first." In 1x1 Lute said that the only reason Charlie wasn't a target was through some deal with Lucifer. I think that, not IF, but WHEN Adam and his exterminators physically threaten Charlie, Lucifer will break. I hope this happens because I hope Adam gets what is coming to him.
As Damien Darkblood once said: “Say I’d see you in hell, but… there is a much worse place waiting for you!”
Not sure if there mythologically is one though.
They quite literally have 2 overlords living there 1 a technological guy quite literally close to becoming as advanced as vox or if not more advanced than vox
And 1 that quite literally when on a rampage in hell with ease and since valentino is NOT letting angel die possibly even 3
@@shoeskode136yeah they do, however Adam seems to be equal or evem above lucifer himself, and lets be real 2 overlord, and some sinners aint putting a fight against someone who seems to on the level of king of hell
@@serdusrex7274nah, Lucifer is a Seraphim. Adam's not beating our bro by any means. I don't think Heaven is stupid enough to make their angelic weapons strong enough to kill high ranking angels, not even fallen ones since Lucifer still keeps his angelic powers and wings.
I think the conflict will arise from Adam trying to kill everyone in the hotel EXCEPT Charlie since that's the deal. Lucifer can't do anything since the deal was to protect hellspawn not sinners so everyone else is free game. Nothing more sadistic than making the princess of hell see her sinner friends getting slaughtered right in front of her
@@serdusrex7274 Well damn, hindsight is 20/20 but Lucifer kinda rolled poor Adam, he didn't stand a chance XD
It could have been so so so easy for them to just make all of heaven bad and not care about hell or the people down there at all. The nuance they’ve presented where it isn’t a cut and dry system and there are still things to figure out is so good and I hope they keep it up.
That's been a core theme for both Hazbin and Helluva since the beginning: "good' and "evil" aren't about who you are, they're about what you do. And everyone is a complex amalgamation of their choices and the situation they exist in. There are good and evil people in hell, good and evil people in heaven, good and evil people on Earth... and ultimately, most people are somewhere in between at all times.
@@IceMetalPunkthe school for good and evil books have similar themes
My favorite thing is making Lucifer, the one who committed the first SIN of PRIDE, so INSECURE. To the point that he looks for validation and affirmation in his daughter.
I would believe pride people are the most insecure because the fall is more lethal at the top
Jesus pulling up to check out the Hazbin Hotel would go hard.
I hope he is portrayed as a chill stoner bro XD
Jesus, if he's lore accurate, would likely be absolutely down with the idea, considering he DIED to give people a chance to go to heaven.
Ok I pull up 💀💀💀 Jesus be like
@@XxEmpty_EscapexX693 You're right! Hell, he might even be willing to "sponsor" it in some way, encouraging less evil sinners like the lamb girl Alastor saved from a butcher in A Day In The Afterlife to visit the Hotel.
Jesus Christ would be a great antagonist to Heaven. Since He is human and was created by God to die for the sins of Humanity He would be in favor of letting the sinners in Heaven, however that might start a Holy War. Wouldn't it be so amazing to see Lucifer team up with Jesus? hahaha
I'm actually very happy that Lucifer isn't an abusive/bad father (like so many others) and actually loves and cares about his daughter.
Wow! I can't believe that the theory about Vaggie used to be an exorcist and how she lost her eye is correct! Also I think the relationship between Lucifer and Charlie is really cute and I'm glad these two made amends in the end and I'm happy Cherri Bomb finally arrived in Welcome to Heaven. Plus Emily is like the heaven version of Charlie especially when she and Charlie are confronting everyone in the courtroom, these definitely get along very well.🤩😊
That theory came to being because of a leaked screenshot of Charlie comforting Vaggie who had strange, suspiciously exorcist-like wings. That’s not to say people aren’t amazing for deducing that since the screenshot was still very vague, but that was a huge reason why people came to that conclusion.
@@rubyy.7374 Really? Also I remember that image.
It's the Russian Dublin ganger effect. They both have the same mindset and they can helpfully make the hotel more effective
@@thomasdaywalt7735 Wow.
I've been waiting since I finished the 2 episodes last night.. worth every minute
8:30 THE NUMBER OF WINGS
First platform 6 wings
Second platform 4 wings
Third platform 2 wings
Maybe the 4th platform is for old earth born winners
I'm pretty sure that the part with Sera growing all those eyes is her demonstrating her "true form" the way that we've seen most of the characters in hell do; in the same way that the hell-bound have more monstrous 'demonic' forms that are concealed under smaller and more civilized forms, it would make sense that the heaven-bound individuals have the same thing with 'angelic' forms.
I believe this to be entirely correct
I knew Emily would be on Charlie’s side, but I wasn’t expecting Sera to be so compassionate. It would be easy for Viv to go the hardcore cynical route, but I’m glad she left room for angels to be caring, and even a little uncertain. Hope needs to have a role to play in a show based in Hell.
I kind of feel like Alistair was making Lucifer jealous in order to push him into helping charlie
I've seen other people point out there's also figures like the archangels (Gabriel, Michael, etc) and the seven heavenly virtues that could come into the story later. They could possibly be depicted (only in this story) as having higher power then the other seraphim and that's what Sera fears since they likely are the ones who demanded Lucifer's fall. If that's the case they could have imposed stricter laws to prevent anything like Lucifer from happening again (and anyone who argues has to be banished immediately as punishment)
From what Sam (the art director) has said, the rainbow thing is Hell's rings - it's the light of god differentiated. The Sins are what give life meaning, according to her.
Heaven wouldn't have Seven Virtues because they'd be undifferentiated.
I really love the fact that they expose vaggie in the last episode because i feel like it adds to the overall message Charlie is going for. If angels and exorcists can fall then what is stopping exceptional sinners from rising? while charlie may feel betrayed in the beginning I think, or rather hope that they will see the potential in what this does for their argument against heaven and the extermination.
Alastor dropping the f bomb was hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂😂 i even loved hells greatest dad song !!!!!
Actually there was a comic that showed Lucifer talking to Gabriel about their siblings and the need for more Angels. Gabriel said God ascended to the highest level and four of the archangels went as well. Camael went nuts, two exorcists died, and jophael died by camael. The angels who died either went to paradise, reincarnated, or something.
Wasn't that fanmade, though?
@@hellspawnstudios I'm not sure, I thought it was cannon but perhaps not. 🍎
I actually watched that unfortunately it was fan made
@@Eggeer shame, it seems so cannon.
@@colinbrown3170It was not.
It was fan-made. If it’s the comic
I’m thinking of anyways.
Im surprised that not everyone in heaven acutally seemed like they were dicks.
I just sorta assumed so, but I guess even in heaven, the masses are kept unaware while the aristocrats (or whatever you call highranking angels) are fucking up everything
I didn’t even know Angel dust had a sister or that she was in heaven until I saw a comment saying she showed up in the episode. I wonder what Adam looks like without his mask.
The Creator have mentioned before the series began that angel dust did have a sister but the only information we got about her was the fact that she was not in hell
Easily punchable
Charlie should had brought up Angel. That would had been such a adorable reunion even if brief
I wonder if she was also in the court seeing how her brother has grown and is redeeming himself
Now I really want to see Adam without a mask
I'm pretty positive that Charlie had it right in the pilot. All she needs to do is sing...
Her father was the Angel of music, and she parallels Em so well that I'm pretty sure they are both going to turn heaven and hell on their heads.
I LOVE how it’s all but stated that the ONLY reason adam is in heaven is because he was first and the angels don’t want to admit they made a mistake and because of adams arrogance and privileged position he can act like a monster until called out by the higher ups I hope that Adam is thrown out of heaven and seek rehabilitation at the hotel which could be Charlie’s ultimate test to see if she can accept someone she truly hates.
Looks like the Theories of Vaggie being a Angel was spot on!
It was kind of like the reveal in Order of the Stick of Minister Malak being a vampire, where it seemed a little too obvious until it got bluntly confirmed in Universe.
I was admittedly giving the benefit of the doubt that Vaggie was an ex-Exorcist until Adam dropped that line.
(Edit: Well, also until she showed reluctance to go to Heaven with Charlie beforehand)
@@RiptoGakt Yeah, those theories are Incredible
If I remember correctly, Sera says to Emily part of her job is to make heaven happy, and in Lucis storybook he is described to do something similar? And if that is the case is Emily meant to be some kind of replacement for luci and did he have a similar relationship with Sera?
I Emily reminds her of him before the fall and why she’s much closer to her.
Could you maybe look into all the eye motifs on the angels? When we first see them, Emily, in particular, has a third eye, and then in the song, on her dress, we see that eye again and how her halo changes. Could it be how there is that veil of ignorance, and then her eyes were opened, like Adam when he ate the forbidden fruit? After all, it almost seems to me, that Lucifer already had his eyes opened to what could be there, but in an effort to maintain power and their own ignorance of how souls enter, they keep everyone's eyes covered by the glitter that is heaven? I dunno; it's just something we saw a lot of eyes also in the opening. maybe I'm looking into it too much and it is just aesthetics, but in animation, I feel there is no throw away detail, you just have to look hard to find the small connections.
Opps, didn't realize you covered the eyes later on in your video. But still these eyes are kinda creepy.
Actually is a bit simpler than that
Is because Sera and Emily are Seraphims. They are angels that both are basically the IRL incarnation of the pokemon move Dazzling Gleam (as in, literal holy nuclear bombs of light) and are also covered in eyes. Vip just decides to hide them in their designs as a way to humanize them while still being accurate, similar to how the thrones have humanoid bodies but their heads are wheela with eyes
Lucifer is also one, so maybe he also has various eyes across his body
Hmm, I didn't think of it like that, thanks. But still, I feel like the appearance of them during the song almost had a meaning, like someone was 'watching' through Emily, and that is why Sera might've gotten a little panicky, but also because she worries for the younger. Either way, I'm not disappointed and so excited with how the episode went. But thanks again, I certainly love all these theories with Hazbin.@@mysticpumpkin8520
Who is your favorite background Hellsona at the Cartoon Universe Office Today?
that one guy in the office
I love the editor hellsona ❤❤❤
The little hellhound
the fact that Vaggie was an angel is so cool
Okay theory Charlie is much more powerful than we see in the show but to keep her safe her parents sealed most of her power away without her knowing and in a later episode we will see the seal broken and her have try to control the new massive amount of power she now has
I think she's just too nice to use her true power.
We're going to see her go Mob Psycho 100, mark my words
The tension between Alastor and Lucifer was hilarious as it was also surprising. Based on the interactions portrayed in the past by the fandom, you’d think they’d get along heh but apparently not. I was getting father vs step-father vibes in ep5 when the two finally met
Tbh I am glad they didnt went with the Smt angle of a"hell is good, heaven is evil"
The angels in heaven (specially St Peter, Emily and yes, Sera) just look like such adorable good people to be around (also incredibly hot. Like we even have a bunch of muscular men walking in thongs. Even furries. And they say the gays cant enter heaven😂), and they are horrified to learn the truth of the extwrmination, even Sera seems very conflicted about it
Also I now think more.Lilith's story is fake. Lucifer's extreme regret implies way more than just giving Eve the apple and whatever Sera is hiding seems to force the exterminations even if she herself seems pained by it. I wonder if Lillith is the big bad and is why Sera asked for the exterminations
Sure, Lucifer is the sin of pride, but what considering his dinamic with Lillith is "behind a man is a greater woman" what if the title of "the devil" here refers to Lillith?
It's possible. Hell, Lilith could just as easily been as abusive a partner as Adam is portrayed to be...
The eyes that pop up on sera are probably a part of her angelic form of how the sinners also have a type of phase where they are alot more demonic angels would have a more angelic transformation. you can also see those eyes when you first see sera coming down from the sky to greet charlie
I need someone to talk about Lucifers golden fiddle! I loved that bit so much cause of "The Devil Went Down to Georgia"
Anyone else thinking that Alastor may have made a deal with Lilith? Possibly giving a sort of explanation on both their absences?
I can see Lucifer being built up by Charlie and, at the end of the series, becoming the new governing force of heaven and hell. Now making it possible to make a new cycle, where repentant sinners are able to absolve themselves even after death and all get to be more free.
I hope so. He looks just so sad and depressed, I want to give him a hug, from father to father.
I’m really surprised they were so willing to let Charlie into heaven for a brief period considering over Lucifer’s actions and events that took place throughout the eons. No one told her yet about the war in heaven and rebellions? No one is not bringing that up? No one’s bringing up Luci challengeing God? But I’m pretty sure we’ll get there in due time. I’m surprised charlie isn’t treated as much as an outcast.
I can only assume Exorcist gossip about a demon princess seeing the good her father cannot see reached the higher-ups, who would look into it from afar and realise that yes, Charlie's 100% into the idea that people can change.
I think that Lute is Adam's daughter, maybe Aclima, since she mentioned, "The only reason you're still here is because daddy gave you and your hellborn kind a pardon from an exorcist blade."
Now, she could be referring to God, but I don't think God is involved in this.
I noticed is that she is the only exorcist who uses swords, unlike the others who use spears.
The swords she uses can kill angels, as seen when she hurt Vaggie, and Vaggie didn't regenerate.
Angels can't be hurt by angelic weapons like spears, or else the demons would have used them to kill angels if they could. Therefore, I think the only things that can hurt and kill angels are these swords, possibly flaming swords.
According to the Bible, a flaming sword was entrusted to the cherubim by God to guard the gates of Paradise after Adam and Eve were banished (Genesis 3:24).
Well, that would mean that Carmilla Carmine either got one or made one, but you need Holy Fire to make one, so I don't know.
In the pilot, Lute had two swords, and then we saw her with one when she attacked Vaggie, so there's that.
She says "Daddy" because she's talking to Charlie, and referring to Lucifer.
Also, Sera calls out Adam and says "listen to your lieutenant" and vivzie has stated the exterminators are direct descendants from Adam so the whole why she is lieutenant and not another angel checks out. Rose up the ranks given her chance through familial connection. A lieutenant right under commander would in fact have the ability to wield a weapon like the sword given the context.
Holy Fire, huh? Where's a flaming rubber duck when you need one? What if Lucifer just needs to not accept their framework of him being unholy?
I think it is maybe possible that they could be killed by regular angelic weps too... for the fact that carmine killed an angel and theres no evidence that shed have these flaming swords or that angels cant be killed with angelic weapons.
It is possible that theyve never killed an angel because sinners are too afraid of them, most of them dont have access to angelic weapons and the ones that do have never tried to kill an angel before cuz they probably have hideouts where they can wait the extermination in. Along with the fact that exterminators are probably just generally stronger than the avg sinner, so it might take an exceptionally powerful sinner/demon to kill one
@@missnoob4015 True, we still don't know how Carmine killed the angel (or if Carmine really killed the angel as some speculate). However, I don't believe (and I could be wrong, of course) that angels would leave their spears behind if they could be killed with them. It wouldn't make sense for them to take such a risk. If sinners truly wanted to resist, I think they could win because there are more sinners than exterminators. Also, I don't think if they could be killed with normal angelic weapons, at least one other would not have been killed. I proposed this theory because so far, the only weapon that has harmed an angel is Lute's sword, and I think it's possible that he may have lost it or had it stolen. I don't know, maybe Carmila or one of her daughters found it. As I said, in the pilot episode, she was shown with two swords, the only one with swords, and now when she attacked Vaggi, but also for a moment in the crystal ball, she was seen with just one sword. I don't know, it's just my theory.
The Vaggie Plot is soo good I literally was like: DAYUM soo those theories were wrong
Lucifer so freaking cute he's such a short king 👑 I want plushies of him
The show seems to take a ton of inspiration from supernatural where God was absent there too.
I kinda see a lot of similarities with the good place. The afterlife is broken, unfair judgement, a person can improve after death
Something interesting that Emily’s occupation is the joybringer. So maybe Emily was born when Lucifer fell replacing him from lightbringer to joybringer. Which might explain why sera is very protective and might keep Emily sheltered in heaven, it’s also possible that sera witnessed the chaos of hell being created and the outcome of Lilith and Lucifer’s actions it’s why what looks like a saddened sera being covered up by Adam (who possibly pray on her fears and doubts) I don’t think they’re being watched but most likely sera is afraid that Emily will do something similar to Lucifer. I also think that the winners wings could show how Molly’s are small (might be why she still looks like a spider) that she barely made it to heaven or that she managed to get in but her history made it almost made her
The sixth episode was so confusing & irritating for me. I hope we will soon understand more about Sarah's motivations and see Emily helping Charlie's case. There will have to be consequenses to Adam's accidental big reveal.
Maybe the next extermination will even come sooner than expected to avoid a stop to them? I am very excited already for next week episodes. 😊
I think we all saw the twist that Vaggie was a fallen angel coming…but I for one was not expecting her to be a fallen EXTERMINATOR
(Also, the fact that Vaggie spared ONE demon who seems to be a CHILD was enough to get her wings chopped off and eye stabbed out either says a lot about Lute or Heaven and I don’t know who it reflects worse on)
Charlie and Emily: “If Hell is Forever then Heaven must be a lie”
*Oh I know that must have hit a nerve*
Alistor and Lilith both disappeared 7 years ago.
He reappears just as Charlie needs help and doesn't announce that he's back for months.
He's either Charlie's mom in disguise(she and Lucifer divorced and it looks like she left with Charlie from the flashback) or he's contracted to her.
Calling it now.Emily will pull a Lucifer and become fallen to possibly help Charlie’s vision or she’ll take over the council and ban Demon cleansing but calling it now there’s gonna be a huge final battle don’t know how Alastor is going to play into this though considering I think he’s still going to be a bad guy. they’ll probably save that for future seasons though
Edit:I don’t see any of the main cast making it to heaven just yet tho.probably when the show ends yes but not right now
I knew Heaven had to be in the dark about the Exorcists, but only because it would be too cliche to have all of Heaven be secretly evil.
Confirming that Vaggie was an exterminator angel makes her episode three dialogue with Charlie, and her lyrics in "Whatever it Takes," hit WAY harder now. She lost her eye, her wings, her halo, her station, her purpose, her home, because she spared the child. Charlie gave her a new home and purpose, with a goal that matched her own (save souls from extermination). For Vaggie, the thought that she could fail Charlie (and herself) is almost too much, as it would mean that all of her sacrifice/loss and effort would account for nothing. She believes that she would be nothing. Thus, she says, "If I can't help you, what's the point of me?" Heavy stuff.
I think Sera’s eyes are more similar to the sinner’s demonic forms, like Alastor. If Charlie isn’t a sinner but has been shown to have a more demonic form, then a parallel with Sera could exist.
I just noticed something, at 4:01 if you pause and look at the angels St Peter is with, I'm pretty sure that's Angel Dust's sister sitting in the bottom right!!
In episode 1 God was mentioned when Lute said that he spared Charlie and Lucifer from angelic weapons
Charlie probably had the worst day ever! Not only did she failed to convince the people of Heaven to support her project of redeeming sinners, but also discovered that Vaggie - the first supporter of her goal and the love of her life is not only an angel but also one of the Exorcists - the heartless murderers that slaughtered thousands of her subject for centuries. Charlie didn't deserved to get traumatized like that. Adam is such a horrible monster! I hope that in the season finale, he will finally get what he truly deserve! I also hope that Charlie and Vaggie can somehow fix their relationship after this. 😭😭😭😭😭
Alastor just roasted lucifer so brutally
I need the tea behind Heaven and the Morningstars!!
God in this show is maybe the similar deal as Titan in The Owl House,maybe He is even beyond reach of Angels and reveals his will rarely and indirectly by chosen individuals, after all he is the ultimate being and creator
Am I crazy or is the similarity between Charlie and Emily hinting towards actual relation, as in Lucifer and Sera before he was cast down to hell which is why Sera refers to that almost personally at the end of the episode.
Maybe the same outside force that sarah works for is the same Entity that the overlords fear? How Alistair responded to husk And lucifer's presence Felt out of character for me. So maybe alistair and lucifer know something That we the audience haven't found out yet.
I have to say that what seen in these episodes about not even the Serafins knowing how a human Soul can reach heaven reminds me of the Total Depravity tenet of Calvinism... The whole Humanity is predestined to hell by default but God, in His infinite grace, has selected a certain amount of people before they are born to be saved.
So yeah, salvation is a lottery, you are either a winner or a sinner, which fits almost perfectly with the show.
idk how u pull off with ur animated character for ur video essays but its pretty quick pumping out these videos keep it up brotha
So Hazbin Hotel is the conflict between Heaven and Hell, Helluva Boss is the exploration of Hell, is there a possibility for a series that explores the hierarchy for Heaven? It may be a dream but I hope this happens.
Amazing video great job I like the background as well looks neat
:D
I’m happy to see that there’s an Angel who supports Charlie. Emily is almost a heaven version of Charlie
All i know is that if Angel Dust dies in the extermination, imma fight someone.
Seeing Sera was sure a surprise to me cause I was just expecting the preconceived notion of Micheal being in charge that’s usually around. But with how the shows written I don’t even know if they have a Micheal or Gabriel, cause both those names have never been said or referenced at all. If they do exist seeing Charlie have an uncle that’s conflicted (kinda like Garp and Luffy in one piece), could be interesting.
After seeing how much in sync Charlie and Emily are, they are obviously cousins to me.
There is a school of thought that even Lucifer will be forgiven, which means He’ll isn’t forever.
Love your videos, they are excellent deep dives and I appreciate them!
I think it'd be cute to add the hazbin hotel to the city skyline in the distance
There's a bigger threat to Heaven out there than the beings of Hell that Serra wanted to warn her daughter about but couldn't? Did the series just allude to the possbility for formless entities from beyond reality (aka the Great Old Ones) that dwell outside creation? o_o
I mean, there is the... what was their name... "Von Eldritch" family or something like that, which is the family of Charlie's ex boyfriend that Vivzi described as being "new money" and seems related to this kind of lore.
It's either the great old ones or
Demiurge & the archons
Didn't an episode of season 2 start with Stolas telling his Daughter about the meteors called -insert lovecraft god name here-'s tears? Although that might just be a name they chosen because it sounded cool and esoteric.
I got a theory that being a "good person" is what allowed Carmilla kill angels, like the ones Adam seemingly foreshadowed, seems like a stretch but there's some indications that this hotel stuff ain't gonna work but is gonna prove as something more important than just going to heaven
You know how Lucifer said that charlie is the only thing whorthy of protecting imagine if he heard Adam say he would come to Charlie first on extermination Hope we see a battle between some of the higher ranks