Thanks . I been banned or ratioed by TH-cam/ google . If you center it . It lasts a whole lot longer . I rebuilt this ,and used good parts ,and thread locker (orange) and it's lasted a good while . I have a few more trick to show people a little later . I'm getting a whole lot more hp and torque with better fuel economy. I guess youtube might be loosing up their stranglehold on me?
Yup . It's usually a novelty, but we figured out a way to make them last a little longer. It turns the motor over very fast ,and it also makes electric charge.... a lot of charge. 18v. They call it electric pull start. It adds about 2 lbs.
How you doing mate at the end you show a burnt out peice.... Is that burned out part normally facing into the engine or outwards towards the pull start as not sure if u just got a different pull start
Hey man, I'm thinking of putting one of these starters on my engine, would you be able to tell me what the distance is between the holes? I'm not sure if it would fit to my motor.
it has to have the correct crankshaft end . if it is tapered ,and takes a small bolt hole ? it will work . if it is to take a nut ? it will not fit . . this is a TL 52 clone , but some cateye engines can use them too . they are the same , but you want the correct crankshaft end .
Hello I'm trying to fix an old scooter with one of these engines. I have no spark. Is there no stator on this engine? Just voltage regulator and ignition coil?
It is a China clone of a Mitsubishi TL52 engine. Or 1E44f you may have a ground problem inside the cover with the wire or need to replace the coil. But sometimes you are more ahead to just spend the hundred for the whole thing? Then you get everything. Just be sure to thread lock most everything again before use. Q.C. is not good whatsoever.
Press a button. It also makes electricity. So you can charge the battery too. But it can over volt as it is a generator too. Don't want too high of rmp when charging with it.
I was just trying to show you need to center the starter . But that is difficult to do since the Chinese did not make dowel pins. Had a stroke but trying to be helpful too. Sorry.
Hi. I understand you posted your video 2 or so ago years ago.. If you remember how to take off the electic starter, Remove it from the motor.. I'm having trouble removing 3 starters from 3 engines.. Please respond. Thx.
It's just a bolt that fits down the threads . It pushed itself off . You need a metric bolt that is bigger than the one that is the little on down the inside that keeps it on . I think it is 6 or 8 mm ? It is a press fit . May be easier with a impact gun/ drill. Hope that helps
To.take off electric part remove pull starter put piece of rope in where sparkplug goe that way when u try to take off center nutvimiddle of starter it wont spin so u take out that bolt then take out thefour studs on out side of starter then pull off starter its little tricky becaudevof the magnets inside
I just use a 20v impact drill . Worked 9.5 out of 10 times, and it does not get junk in the cylinder. The hold down bolt is not that hard to remove. Especially if you have the correct set up with the correct electric pullstarter double bolt . I made a new lower noise exhaust with tons more torque, feels like 3.5hp -4.hp . but been working on a new electric hyper scooter design. Been too busy to make a video on that for now . Sorry... thanks for the advice . Make absolutely sure that it is centered when you put it back on, and not rubbing the stator . It will rob too much hp.
If you have a electric start ? Keep it off to keep it cool! It can lasts waayyy longer with plenty of cooling and centered correctly! I carry the pull start separately, and put it on in a pinch/ dead battery. I have about 8000 miles on my scooter, been through 5 motors about 9 starters . Rebuilt most of them . Aliexpress starters are the same ,but for wayy less! About 45-55 bucks compared to 75-90 on ebay
I'd personally make a Lithium battery pack this time. That's what I'm doing next . Much much lighter and waayyy more powerful. But 12volt 9 ah agm is what best as a starter for just starting... 7ah will work too , but if you intend to make a kind of hybrid ? You need larger like 22-24ah 👍. But that gets pretty heavy fast with Lead acid . A 4.5b lithium has more juice than a huge14.5lb lead acid in every department! The discharge is up to 18volts when used as a generator with lots of amps coming out of the starter . So you need to be careful if you use it that way ? To recharge the system . It will fry any battery fast if not careful! I really need to make new/ better videos ,but I absolutely Hate TH-cam lately!
It started off to be a 33cc Zooma the only original parts are the t-top handlebar ,and sides of back swing arm. Everything else was destroyed because it's was cheap china steel. It is so much faster and zippy up to 30mph ,and can climb 30% grades now . It absolutely feels more like a small turbo diesel engine ! New engine technology is here ! If youtube quits blocking me!
They have 2 differ length size . I would go with the longer one. If it is too big? You can always chop it down a little. But it also helps keep it center. They are on eBay. Fancy scooter ..." Cat Eye, X-1, X-2, X-8, x-7 Pocket BikePull Start Plate Bolt B (63.5mm Long) " It's actually shorter . Copy paste to ebay to look.
@@feliperodea8316 happy New Year! Hope it works out for you. I know it is pretty frustrating to find parts... I am making a actual 72cc scooter next. It will have a real 72cc engine with compression release button . Not a 63cc that everyone called a 72. It will have very compact a high torque transmission never seen before. It has very fat 11in tires . 10in clearance . Made from very hard chromoly 4140. Made to last a few lifetimes! 475lb max limit .
just put a bolt down the center hole ,and push it off . but holt it . it is a press fit . I think it is a m6 size . no special tools needed . you need something to hold the crankshaft from spinning . I just use a impact driver myself
Thank you so much, I have been trying to find out for a long time and I almost about to give up and toss my scooter out and say forget it. Thank you once again I really do appreciate it 🙏
I will try to make another video? It is just frustrating that they don't allow much viewing when you been blackballed. I have about 6500 miles on this scooter . These engines, and starters are pure junk out of the box, but I will show you how to make them last a whole lot longer soon ! More power., more fuel economy, less noise , cleaner burning 🔥
@@Mylotheblacknwhitecat you need a correct crankshaft friend . if it has a bolt on the pull side unit with a tapered end ? it could work . if it has a nut ? it will not work . and could be easier to just buy another whole thing from ebay? if you can wait for product ? aliexpress has better deals . but shipping time is 2 to 8 weeks ! the motors are sold as 49-52cc ,and are 52cc . they call them 1e44f engines . some come with the starters already ,and are cheaper that way ! the starters are usually always floppy ,and need alignment ,so rebuild it totally using good orange locktight ! . the engines are rebranded Mitsubishi TL-52 s brush cutters , they have amazing 1e50f engines which are perfect size for scooters , but the communest libtwit ignoramus government will not let you find or have any ,and will not let you find them on the net !!
@@Blanc247 it's a little press fit. You just find a bolt that threads into the hole . I believe it's a 8mm and the middle hole is a 6??? You want it to be 2in in length Anyhow it just pushes it self off with a little effort and a 1/2 or 13mm wrench . Hope that helps?
Yes ! It make a whole lot of volts in upper rpm range . None of the set ups I have seen work very well for regulation. Anything over 15.2 volts may kill your battery permanently. I have seen them put out 19.5 volts . I just use a small bright voltage guage ,and the starter button to recharge when it gets low 12.4 volts and hold down the button to 15+ volts.
@@scratchnoff7609 it's just for the electric start . It also makes electric charge,and lots of it as the RPM rises. You want to isolate it if you are not using it. I am building another more amazing scooter with a new 2 speed soon! Very reliable transmission that has never been seen before. Compact light weight yet simple . The next scooter has 10in of clearance, and made for 350- 450lb heavy fat guys/ off road too. Build to last forever .
@@scratchnoff7609 you can just pull too. I don't have my pull start hooked up , but keep it in my backpack as a redundant start. It stays cooler, and the brushes last a lot longer on the electric start.
@@Vmaxfodder I just learning before I upgrade to your level, I blew throughout 4 motors lol an im sure all are simple fixes, but I'm starting to think I can't use the electric starter for my scooter
thank you i need one of those for a project
Thanks . I been banned or ratioed by TH-cam/ google . If you center it . It lasts a whole lot longer . I rebuilt this ,and used good parts ,and thread locker (orange) and it's lasted a good while . I have a few more trick to show people a little later . I'm getting a whole lot more hp and torque with better fuel economy. I guess youtube might be loosing up their stranglehold on me?
I had no idea they had electric starters for this size engine
Yup . It's usually a novelty, but we figured out a way to make them last a little longer. It turns the motor over very fast ,and it also makes electric charge.... a lot of charge. 18v. They call it electric pull start. It adds about 2 lbs.
thats a small engine
watch in 2x speed if you are wanting info.
Does anyone know if this is how the motor actually performs? Is it this loud and that slow?
Does anyone know if it's ok to start this motor by pull start without the electric start going off?
How you doing mate at the end you show a burnt out peice.... Is that burned out part normally facing into the engine or outwards towards the pull start as not sure if u just got a different pull start
It's not burnt . It's carbon from the brushes
Hey man, I'm thinking of putting one of these starters on my engine, would you be able to tell me what the distance is between the holes? I'm not sure if it would fit to my motor.
it has to have the correct crankshaft end . if it is tapered ,and takes a small bolt hole ? it will work . if it is to take a nut ? it will not fit . . this is a TL 52 clone , but some cateye engines can use them too . they are the same , but you want the correct crankshaft end .
Hello I'm trying to fix an old scooter with one of these engines. I have no spark. Is there no stator on this engine? Just voltage regulator and ignition coil?
It is a China clone of a Mitsubishi TL52 engine. Or 1E44f you may have a ground problem inside the cover with the wire or need to replace the coil. But sometimes you are more ahead to just spend the hundred for the whole thing? Then you get everything. Just be sure to thread lock most everything again before use. Q.C. is not good whatsoever.
May I ask where did you connect the white cord?
It's on a industrial solenoid. Then to a big 24ah 12v
Where do you connect the starter cable thank you?
It goes to a starter solenoid.
With the starter do you pull it it or press a button to start it?
Press a button. It also makes electricity. So you can charge the battery too. But it can over volt as it is a generator too. Don't want too high of rmp when charging with it.
Do you know if its possible to put a 49cc 4 stroke motor on this type of scooter
Sorry . I don't know your set up? It usually depends on your crankshaft type ?
Do you have video where you took the electric starter off then replaced it?
I was just trying to show you need to center the starter . But that is difficult to do since the Chinese did not make dowel pins. Had a stroke but trying to be helpful too. Sorry.
@Doug did you find one ..im looking
Hi.
I understand you posted your video 2 or so ago years ago..
If you remember how to take off the electic starter, Remove it from the motor.. I'm having trouble removing 3 starters from 3 engines..
Please respond. Thx.
It's just a bolt that fits down the threads . It pushed itself off . You need a metric bolt that is bigger than the one that is the little on down the inside that keeps it on . I think it is 6 or 8 mm ? It is a press fit . May be easier with a impact gun/ drill. Hope that helps
To.take off electric part remove pull starter put piece of rope in where sparkplug goe that way when u try to take off center nutvimiddle of starter it wont spin so u take out that bolt then take out thefour studs on out side of starter then pull off starter its little tricky becaudevof the magnets inside
I just use a 20v impact drill . Worked 9.5 out of 10 times, and it does not get junk in the cylinder. The hold down bolt is not that hard to remove. Especially if you have the correct set up with the correct electric pullstarter double bolt . I made a new lower noise exhaust with tons more torque, feels like 3.5hp -4.hp . but been working on a new electric hyper scooter design. Been too busy to make a video on that for now . Sorry... thanks for the advice . Make absolutely sure that it is centered when you put it back on, and not rubbing the stator . It will rob too much hp.
What kind of pull starter would you use if you installed one on your scooter? Thanks
If you have a electric start ? Keep it off to keep it cool! It can lasts waayyy longer with plenty of cooling and centered correctly! I carry the pull start separately, and put it on in a pinch/ dead battery. I have about 8000 miles on my scooter, been through 5 motors about 9 starters . Rebuilt most of them . Aliexpress starters are the same ,but for wayy less! About 45-55 bucks compared to 75-90 on ebay
The kind with the paws last the longest . Not the spline type ... They break too easily.
size battery ?
I'd personally make a Lithium battery pack this time. That's what I'm doing next . Much much lighter and waayyy more powerful. But 12volt 9 ah agm is what best as a starter for just starting... 7ah will work too , but if you intend to make a kind of hybrid ? You need larger like 22-24ah 👍. But that gets pretty heavy fast with Lead acid . A 4.5b lithium has more juice than a huge14.5lb lead acid in every department! The discharge is up to 18volts when used as a generator with lots of amps coming out of the starter . So you need to be careful if you use it that way ? To recharge the system . It will fry any battery fast if not careful! I really need to make new/ better videos ,but I absolutely Hate TH-cam lately!
Will that pipe help with catch oil? what size is it...
That's a big electric wire to the starter sir.
@@Vmaxfodder is that gold pipe a muffler
When I Hook Battery Up To Starter It Turns A Bit Then Stops Take Spark Plug Out And It Turns
Wat kind of scooter is it
It started off to be a 33cc Zooma the only original parts are the t-top handlebar ,and sides of back swing arm. Everything else was destroyed because it's was cheap china steel. It is so much faster and zippy up to 30mph ,and can climb 30% grades now . It absolutely feels more like a small turbo diesel engine ! New engine technology is here ! If youtube quits blocking me!
Where did you get that bolt from?
It’s called Type-4 electric starter shaft/bolt for 33-49cc 2-stroke engines.
Where did you get it?
What is the length size of that bolt?
They have 2 differ length size . I would go with the longer one. If it is too big? You can always chop it down a little. But it also helps keep it center. They are on eBay. Fancy scooter ..."
Cat Eye, X-1, X-2, X-8, x-7 Pocket BikePull Start Plate Bolt B (63.5mm Long) "
It's actually shorter . Copy paste to ebay to look.
@@Vmaxfodder damn, got the 58mm one, time to order it again....😑
@@feliperodea8316 happy New Year! Hope it works out for you. I know it is pretty frustrating to find parts... I am making a actual 72cc scooter next. It will have a real 72cc engine with compression release button . Not a 63cc that everyone called a 72. It will have very compact a high torque transmission never seen before. It has very fat 11in tires . 10in clearance . Made from very hard chromoly 4140. Made to last a few lifetimes! 475lb max limit .
@@Vmaxfodder Nice, I'm rebuilding mine. Want to rebuild it back to factory default.
@@feliperodea8316nice! what Are you working on?
How do you remove the electric starter once the pull starter assembly is off?😮
just put a bolt down the center hole ,and push it off . but holt it . it is a press fit . I think it is a m6 size . no special tools needed . you need something to hold the crankshaft from spinning . I just use a impact driver myself
Ya I figured it out but thanks for the quick response
@@marctobey5408 if you put it back on ? be sure to center it true . it can rub itself to death quick
Where can I find the bolt that is needed for this project?
sorry . I found it on ebay from fancy scooter. it was hard to find . they called it electric pull starter bolt .
Thank you so much, I have been trying to find out for a long time and I almost about to give up and toss my scooter out and say forget it. Thank you once again I really do appreciate it 🙏
33-49cc type 4 electric starter crank shaft bolt
How do u wire up a electric starter I can't seem to find a video or anything? 🤔
I will try to make another video? It is just frustrating that they don't allow much viewing when you been blackballed. I have about 6500 miles on this scooter . These engines, and starters are pure junk out of the box, but I will show you how to make them last a whole lot longer soon ! More power., more fuel economy, less noise , cleaner burning 🔥
@@Vmaxfodder ok thanks lmk
@@Mylotheblacknwhitecat I will show you how to make an hybrid out of this set up and get more power . Enough to satisfy most lay persons !
@@Vmaxfodder hey just checking in I've been trying to figure out how I can wire one them up to my 49cc motor
@@Mylotheblacknwhitecat you need a correct crankshaft friend . if it has a bolt on the pull side unit with a tapered end ? it could work . if it has a nut ? it will not work . and could be easier to just buy another whole thing from ebay? if you can wait for product ? aliexpress has better deals . but shipping time is 2 to 8 weeks ! the motors are sold as 49-52cc ,and are 52cc . they call them 1e44f engines . some come with the starters already ,and are cheaper that way ! the starters are usually always floppy ,and need alignment ,so rebuild it totally using good orange locktight ! . the engines are rebranded Mitsubishi TL-52 s brush cutters , they have amazing 1e50f engines which are perfect size for scooters , but the communest libtwit ignoramus government will not let you find or have any ,and will not let you find them on the net !!
Where did you find the starter?
EBay. ..They also come with the motor. It needs to have the correct crankshaft (tapered end)
Copy paste... Cat Eye, X-1, X-2, X-8, x-7 Pocket Bike,APC Chopper Pull Start Plate Bolt 02331
@@Vmaxfodder helloo ..would you happen to know or have a link on how to get that off the motor?
@@Vmaxfodder pardon me ,not the pull start but the whole copper coil area
@@Blanc247 it's a little press fit. You just find a bolt that threads into the hole . I believe it's a 8mm and the middle hole is a 6??? You want it to be 2in in length Anyhow it just pushes it self off with a little effort and a 1/2 or 13mm wrench . Hope that helps?
Eléctric sistem?
12v
Isn’t that also a generator
Yes ! It make a whole lot of volts in upper rpm range . None of the set ups I have seen work very well for regulation. Anything over 15.2 volts may kill your battery permanently. I have seen them put out 19.5 volts . I just use a small bright voltage guage ,and the starter button to recharge when it gets low 12.4 volts and hold down the button to 15+ volts.
Maybe try a solar charge controller
What is that white wire?
It the positive feed from the solenoid . It also the generator feed. It does both.
@@Vmaxfodder do I have to use it? Can I just pull start only?
@@scratchnoff7609 it's just for the electric start . It also makes electric charge,and lots of it as the RPM rises. You want to isolate it if you are not using it. I am building another more amazing scooter with a new 2 speed soon! Very reliable transmission that has never been seen before. Compact light weight yet simple . The next scooter has 10in of clearance, and made for 350- 450lb heavy fat guys/ off road too. Build to last forever .
@@scratchnoff7609 you can just pull too. I don't have my pull start hooked up , but keep it in my backpack as a redundant start. It stays cooler, and the brushes last a lot longer on the electric start.
@@Vmaxfodder I just learning before I upgrade to your level, I blew throughout 4 motors lol an im sure all are simple fixes, but I'm starting to think I can't use the electric starter for my scooter