@@MasterclaesVideos thanks so much for this honest review! it makes a difference when we hear a review from someone like you who has a lot of vintage analog gear and experience please also compare PELUSO mic LAB 22 47 VACUUM TUBE CONDENSER MICROPHONE and Peluso P 12 and Telefunken TF 47 (all under 2k and supposedly great emulations, which look like the real vintage mics and also reviews say offer great value)
I auditioned a WA67 at NAMM this year and was blown away by how great it sounded on my voice. I was wondering how it compared to the original and this video just made me go ahead and pull the trigger on the WA67. This is all the confirmation I needed. Thank you!
Now there's a new mic on the block. It's a UT87 from a company called United Technologies. Best mic on the market right now for 700 bucks. And it gives you two different versions of the 87 in one mic. Go look them up. I can't wait to buy one.
It all boils down to what you hear. I have been looking at the Warm for a few months and your comparison is the best I've run across so far. Thanks for the work.
I love the ending bit - where you're like "I wish I could say my nuemanns sound better but... they don't" ... really cool about the honesty. I think there is something going on a little different in the Nuemanns in the really high end. Seems to do that thing a little differently. But it's reallyyy hard to reproduce again and again in a demonstration. Likely has to do with axis and like you said - you can't really hear a difference. Pretty damn amazing. Great job.
I own a studio with a good mic locker and I was going to say it basically sounds the same. It's close enough to say it's within the variables of two vintage mics next to each other. WA makes solid gear at great prices.
Technology is just too good nowadays to have to or even want to spend 3,500 bucks on a mic when you don't have to. I'll stick with companies like Warm and others that offer quality like them.
Wow thanks for this! I had a chance to use a vintage U67 on one of my recordings a few years back and have been longing for that sound ever since, good to know with a little savings it could be attainable again for me!
Your absolutely wonderful and in-depth review of the WA-67 was so helpful that I ordered one practically before the video was finished! I've read so many reviews of their mics and it's never easy to know who you can trust or who's being paid to write a glowing review. But your review felt so true and real, especially after doing a bit of research into who you are, your vast mic collection (I'm trying not to drool on my computer as I write this thinking of the mics you own), your knowledge of recording/gear history, and the straightforward approach you have in telling it like it is all had a great impact on me. I also have a lot of mics (it's an addiction!), some very nice gear, and a beautiful studio, but nothing quite like what you have. So it's really good to know that someone out there who knows what they're talking about is laying out some much needed truths about all the gear I care most about, whether expensive or affordable. So I really just wanted to say thanks! "Cheers!" and Happy New Year! and keep up the great work...
Hi Harry, thank you for your unbelieveable heart warming comment! I have shared it with the world because it went straight to my heart… Thank you for your support, it means a lot to me! Yes I am honest, and indeed I dont get payd by anybody, so my reviews are like I feel about a product. This message is such a boost for me since my live mixing business agenda was scrapped untill march… so i have time to make some more video’s. PS I had to give back the WA67 to the warm audio distributor, so there was no time to swap tubes. My vintage mics all have the original tubes
@@MasterclaesVideos Hello again Peter. I might say "too bad" that you had to give back the WA-67 but since you have just about the best mic collection I've ever seen that I'm pretty sure you'll be able to handle it... A couple of quick questions: In your opinion is it worth it to change the stock tube that comes with these mics (typically an Electro Harmonix) to an NOS vintage tube? 1-I usually do it but I'm just curious of your opinion... 2-I noticed a few Pultec EQ's in your rig (more drool...), any chance you might put one of those up against either the WA EQ or the Klark Teknik EQ that are modern copies of the Pultec? I've been leaning towards getting a pair of the KTs but would love to hear what you think of them as compared to the mighty, and quite expensive, original... As ever, Thanks my friend and keep up the wonderful work...
@@harrymatthews5819 I have not experimented with other tubes since I do not own any of the "clones" I reviewed. But I read a lot of comments below that people often change the tube with good result. (Please have a look below and maybe ask these guys what they used as tube). 2: I owned a pair of Warm's but I sold them when I got the Pultec's. It is in the planning to do a Pultec shootout video... I just need 48 hours a day :-)
Too bad you didn't wait, there's a new mic out now that's killing all of these mic clones out here. It's called a UT87 from a company called United Technologies. Go look it up. I can't wait to buy it!!! One Love
thanks for this video! For a U67 clone I use the Slate VMS mic with the software, and it works remarkably well! Might have to purchase this one too, to compare.
@@MasterclaesVideos oh, the original 67. I’m a vintage gear guy, so that mojo and history mean a lot to me. Plus it’ll appreciate with time as an investment.
Thank you very much for a very honest and unbiased critique. That was the answer. I was hoping for, but wouldn’t have been surprised if that wasn’t the case.
I agree they sound exactly the same. The only thing I would worry about is do every single Warm Audio WA-67 sound like that? Sometimes with cheaper gear and less detail to craftsmanship you have to also think did he just get a better version? If not than these mics are just amazing.
The Warm was more hollow sounding, especially when speaking from the back. From the front it had a slight hollow resonance in the 800hz-1200hz region. I also hear more sensitivity and room ambience with the Warm. In addition, the Warm is brighter sounding.
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@@MasterclaesVideos I was just going to comment the same thing but since Johannes B. already did, I'll just say I agree with him. Nice comparison BTW. I subscribed and hit the bell!
Wow, I actually prefer the Warm Audio sound. I'd say the difference between the mics is no bigger than the difference between two U67's. Fantastic job by Warm Audio bringing us such an affordable version of this mic. Will have to get one ASAP. Thanks for the video!
Great demo! I was also disappointed by the shiny finish on the wa47s, not "pro" looking at all, IMO. Quite impressed by how close they sounded, much closer than I expected. The guts on the Neumann are just impressive. Thanks a million.
Its the guts of the Neumann that make me wonder will the Warm Audio WA-67 sound like that on every one of them? Or did he get lucky and just got an amazing version. That's the thing about build quality sometimes. Other than that the WA-67 is absolutely amazing.
One thing that would have been nice to test is how much resonance on a vocal they produce. Cheaper mic's tend to have annoying spikes in the 4k region when you get a strong vocalist.
Both sound great, but the Neumann's U67 have a natural compression and a very straighforward midrange sound. Warm's sound a little blurry on the low mids, but we can deal with it moving the mic from the source. Good review!
Yeah sure…whatever makes you feel good. Your clear bias and well, snobbery shows through. Just can’t admit that Warm nailed your precious Neumann..same thing when American muscle car owners get dusted by a Honda or Toyota…
Great Video! Great Job! and love all the gear in your studio! I could live in there for years. I own several Neumann mics but having a pair of the u67s is way out of my budget. Thanks for sharing.
Yes. The basic sound of the mics is indeed very close. However, the transient response is not! I.e., the very attack of the strung guitar strings is much better on the U67 imho. More fun to listen to and more moving. Keep in mind, this very attack is what we try to optimize on kick drums to make them work emotionally - making it dancy.
Nicely Done, Peter! I agree with Greg T, below. As I'm looking for a few mics for a start-up home studio, the Warm Audio WA-67 and WA-87 were mentioned (along with the Shure SMB7). Thanks for a well presented shootout.
This was very useful to me! From your demos, the Neumann to me sounds more detailed and open on the upper mids and high end, but hey. That's what a smidge of eq is good for. It helped me feel good about spending more money and getting the WA67. Absolutely love it on my voice, which is baritone and can be lacking in upper mid detail when my technique isn't getting the sound properly out of my face. Thanks for all this!
@@MasterclaesVideos I'll look forward to that out of curiosity. I've really liked it for what I've used it for, vocals, condensers on electric guitar, paired with a 57 through the WA412. Like I said, they got me. I worked with a 3124 on drums the week before I got the 412, and while it was an apples vs oranges comparison, I've loved the similar punch and depth the 412 gives to direct bass and electrics. Gotta put some drums through it. I don't think I'll be let down.
neumann will always have the advantage of 3 d characteristics that are hard to even identify... that said, wa has done a fantastic job for the cost. I can make up the sonic differences with my eq choices... you are right about it's appearance and the construction of the warm.. it sounds fine and even better with a vintage nos tube. I have one and I am so far, very pleased with my purchase. Keep on rocking.. nice review
Warm Audio heeft een pareltje voor een budgetprijs op de markt gebracht. Natuurlijk heeft een vintage Neumann meer karakter maar een Mercedes Gullwing heeft ook meer karakter dan een huidige GT. Zo goed als geen verschillen te horen, een prima tube en point to point construction. Top! Peter ik ben overtuigd van WA-67 en leuke review :-) Thanks
...and then he casually says ”the stereo version of the u67” like it’s just the most natural thing in the world to have one of those lying around. Oh, and good, solid review! Thanks.
Well it’s actually the stereo version of a 269 (I cut out that part i guess) 😅. If you subscribe to my channel I will show you a bit more of some really rare gems in my Masterclaes Private Collection! Thanks for the positive comment!!
Hehe, yeah, it's pretty insane! To be fair though, he probably - like most people who has a lot of those things - bought them back when no one wanted them and you could get m49's and u67's etc for 50 dollars each. Oh how I wished I was an adult in the mid to late 80's and early 90's and knew what I know about microphones today...
@@MasterclaesVideos Hehe, so I guess you didn't buy them back then. NRK (national radio and television here in Norway) was giving away their stocks of Neumann m49 microphones to whoever wanted them because no one wanted those crummy old tube mics. They couldn't get rid of them, so had to keep them. Decades later, that paid off! However, it is infuriating that the Gefell m582 pair I bought for 3500 dollars went for 3 dollars a piece when I was a kid.
@@michaelcaplin8969 i grew up in a music store that still exists for more than 70 years... can you imagine the amount of instruments and gear I’ve seen no one wanted anymore? 🤯 If i had only known...
fair enough! good job, i put headphones on and it was surprisingly close, i still hear a decent warmer mid with Neuman, but like you say, and with a touch of mixing, the price alone explains... chow wm
In the guitar example @10 min, the WA-67 is distorting the bass-end and blurring transients far more. This should be obvious on decent monitors unless one's hearing is compromised or damaged.
Hey, thanks for the comment. I think some people listen and watch my videos on a phone and then they cant see and hear details… You are right: they should be watched on a bigger screen and a decent pair of speakers to make the right judgement
I had another listen, this time with Beyerdynamic DT990 headphones, and this time I couldn't hear a difference in self noise, I only seem to notice that with earbuds and then I definitely hear more noise with the Neumann (probably because the audio is closer to my ear drum with buds). However, with the DT990s, the guitar comes across with more "life" in it than the WA, somehow it seems to have more liveliness, whether that's to do with more top end I don't know or some kind of special magic 🙂. So I think I'd have to choose the Neumann if money was not an issue.
Hi Peter, wow .... I would not have thought. But you are right, the 2 microphones can hardly be distinguished. We also have 2 U67s. I'll test the clones with strings and other instruments. Am very excited. Thank you for your very good work! Great! I saw you have a new Compressor "Focusrite Red". Tell me about this candidate. Or make a comparison to the plugin from Focusrite. I think the plugin is also available under ProTool, I'm not sure ..
Thankyou, i could just hear a difference in the openess of the top end. Made the neuman sound a tiny bit louder or a bit raw which I liked. This i could tell with my eyes closed and guessed were you were swapping back and forth and i was able to tell 9 out of 10. This could be the grill. Interesting you first noticed the shine, this is also the reflection of the grill maybe, and this means reflection of sound too. Could you modify the grill somehow.
Nice shoot out. Every file that I get from non pro engineers that use either the WARM audio 67 or 87 sound flat a muffly, so I was not a big fan of the WARM mics. Maybe it was the non pro engineers that didn't get the mic to sound good?
Great review. Thank you! PLEASE PLEASE do a shootout with the WA-87 R2 against the vintage Neumann 87. The recent 'Sound on Sound' Magazine review stated that it is a very close match, and was even preferred on a female vocal recording....
I was really hoping for something unique here, but the WA67 seems to have that normal WA tubbiness to the mid and low mid that always puts me off from their mics. It sounds dark, but veiled rather than aged. The U67 sounds more compressed somehow, more rich even with dense tone.
@@kodykindhart8230 I wish I could. Maybe it's just these samples for some reason. I was hoping for something good but I'm personally disappointed in the sound of the WA version. I'm listening to this on Neumann KH80's. Ive done previous shootouts myself with the WA87 And WA251 and my experience there was oddly similar. Veiled sounding rather than vintage or colorful.
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Downloaded and loaded into daw. Switching back and forth between the two on acoustic guitar, the difference is pretty clear. U67 is very nice, open, clear, but not harsh. I'll take it! The wa67 is much duller, and I noticed it would overload in places where the u67 did not. I'd be interested in a comparison between these and the tlm67. Thanks very much for the test!
You can't really hear a difference in comparing them in solo mode. What will happen, if you compare it in the mix? At the end the only difference is the collectors value. An original will ever be an original and will be much much more expensive than all copies ever made. Regardless of the build quality. Great comparison! And wonderful equipment in the back.
Thank you for this video sir. Great comparison between the 2 microphones. WA is a great deal yes the NM is better but that that much better? Id use a WA anyday and be happy about it.
I could hear the cardioid pattern on the wa, and i mean your actual heart beat on the shelf test. You are pretty healthy for a muso. 72 bpm. I had headphones on on the AB voice test they sounded extremely similar.
Quite a nice comparison video. I must admit, I am sorry I didn't buy back in the early 1990s a Neumann U87 when it was around $2000 ($US)...Now they are $3600 US...So hence looking for an alternative mic. BTW: I don;t like the way the WARM looks also, but I guess I could possibly get over that if it sound's great. The jury is still out for me right now, but thanks for spending time to do this video....All the best from the US (near NYC) Phil
This is a great video .Thank you for making. Most people have a Lava lamp in the studio , you have a Squirrel lol very nice . Awesome channel I just subscribed
I think I got the nail on the head. The grills may be the difference. The u67 sounds compressed. The wa67 sounds loose. Not tight. That may have to do with the difference in the grills. Exactly the same tho in tone n frequency response. Only way to test is to put the u67 grill on the wa67.
Don't see any negative side on the circuit board construction and using silicone is a good touch and the right approach, I think it sounds better than the Neumann's a little bit warmer more detailed and could be EQ in exactly the same, and for the price difference it's a no-brainer. be interesting to see what the new Neumann's is like compared to the original and warm audio.
Hey John, I thought it was appropriate to make a comment on it, because if would NOT have made a comment, probably somebody would have commented on the fact that I did not comment on it... Are you with me? :-) We can endlessly keep going on comparing other clones with originals if I look at what is being offered on te market. Sometimes you just have to draw a line somewhere.
I've been researching the early Bob Marley recordings, it's said that on Burnin' he used a U67 for lead and U87 for BV's - do you think the WA-67 is a good choice for my small home studio to get close to his sound? I've been collecting classic dynamics, SM57, M88, M201, MD 421 and Senny MD441 I've recently ordered, I also have a WA47 and Avantone CV12 here
Great comparison video! IMHO, to my ears, (listening on a low-budget USB audio interface with Sony MDR7506 headphones, and of course TH-cam's compression), your voice on the Neumann had more clarity and a gentle nudge in the mids/upper-mids which will probably make it sound more up front in a mix without much EQ or processing. If my budget for a tube condenser was around the price of the Warm WA67 of $899 USD (new), I'd also consider the Mojave Audio MA-200 (Royer designed with a Jensen transformer, JAN 5840 tube, and continuously variable pickup pattern), the Miktek CV3 (custom AMI T7 transformer, sub-miniature pentode tube, and 9 pickup patterns), Dizengoff Audio LD1948 (unlisted tranformer per manufacturer's website), or the Lauten Audio LA-320 (also unlisted transformer, but with a dual-triode tube). Have a nice day. Cheers!
Forgive me but add a warning about the ultra hyped brightness of the MDR 7506 cans - don't mix with them - I use them only to have vocalists monitor themselves with them. Extremely misleading headphones with deeply carved out midrange.
@@RideTheFuture It's all good. I understand the point you're trying to make. I've used them for years and my ears have gotten used to them, especially to check for any offending or musical sub-sonic frequencies since they're designed to reproduce sounds that go down to 10Hz. I like the sound stage and stereo imaging of the 7506s as well. What other headphones would you suggest I try for mixing that doesn't have an ultra hyped brightness?
Yeah, they're very close - BUT - the WA-67 is a little boomier in the lower mids (200 - 300Hz). If recording a female, I'd lean toward the Warm for that subtle weight / proximity effect from the Warm. The U67 has the very familiar focus to the lows that I really like. So, I can hear the difference between the two they're close. I've heard greater differences between U67's of various vintages. As for the head grill, yes, absolutely a significant influence. I got to visit with Martin Schneider at Neuman GmbH back in the mid to late 90s, and it was quite interesting to hear his explanation about the amount of consideration and testing that goes into the head grill designs of their microphones.
Fantastic comment thanks! True, there are big variations between vintage mics. I always try to maintain them well to reduce the amount of variation. What is your favorite mic?
Great and informative video thanks for sharing! Quick question if you don’t mind. I am a flamenco guitar player, and I’m thinking buying either the WA-47 or WA-67. What would you think would work better on a Flamenco/Classical guitar? Thanks again for the video!
The WA has a more muffled proximity effect, I think. I gotta say I can barely wait for a 7 minutes review normally, but this one was so good I couldnt believe it had ended after 14 minutes.
WA is a tad brighter (seems like virtually all new mics trying to emulate old mics have this problem) that could easily be fixed with EQ. Besides that they sound pretty much the same
Love you respect of the classic 67 sound and its heritage and your honesty compairing the WA 67 with zero bias
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@@MasterclaesVideos thanks so much for this honest review! it makes a difference when we hear a review from someone like you who has a lot of vintage analog gear and experience
please also compare PELUSO mic LAB 22 47 VACUUM TUBE CONDENSER MICROPHONE and Peluso P 12 and Telefunken TF 47 (all under 2k and supposedly great emulations, which look like the real vintage mics and also reviews say offer great value)
I auditioned a WA67 at NAMM this year and was blown away by how great it sounded on my voice. I was wondering how it compared to the original and this video just made me go ahead and pull the trigger on the WA67. This is all the confirmation I needed. Thank you!
Now there's a new mic on the block. It's a UT87 from a company called United Technologies. Best mic on the market right now for 700 bucks. And it gives you two different versions of the 87 in one mic. Go look them up. I can't wait to buy one.
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@@lightafluident.9950 i LOVE U
You nailed the overtones man! impressive how incredible close Warm Audio is. Good review
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Amazing Video. Thanks Peter. Want to get my hands on one of those babies sometime in future.
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Well done!!
It all boils down to what you hear. I have been looking at the Warm for a few months and your comparison is the best I've run across so far. Thanks for the work.
Thanks for the appreciation!
I love the ending bit - where you're like "I wish I could say my nuemanns sound better but... they don't" ... really cool about the honesty. I think there is something going on a little different in the Nuemanns in the really high end. Seems to do that thing a little differently. But it's reallyyy hard to reproduce again and again in a demonstration. Likely has to do with axis and like you said - you can't really hear a difference. Pretty damn amazing. Great job.
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I own a studio with a good mic locker and I was going to say it basically sounds the same. It's close enough to say it's within the variables of two vintage mics next to each other. WA makes solid gear at great prices.
Two great condenser microphones phones are U87ai and TLM 103.
@@HarvinderSingh-yy8th Way more than just that
Technology is just too good nowadays to have to or even want to spend 3,500 bucks on a mic when you don't have to. I'll stick with companies like Warm and others that offer quality like them.
Wow thanks for this! I had a chance to use a vintage U67 on one of my recordings a few years back and have been longing for that sound ever since, good to know with a little savings it could be attainable again for me!
Really appreciate your passion , your attention to detail and honest opinion Peter ... Great !!! All the Best !!!
Thank you so much for this honest review! I just made up my mind to get the WA-67 definitely after watching your video. Thank you!
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This is a really great comparison and I truly appreciate your skill and honesty. Vielen Dank!
Your absolutely wonderful and in-depth review of the WA-67 was so helpful that I ordered one practically before the video was finished! I've read so many reviews of their mics and it's never easy to know who you can trust or who's being paid to write a glowing review. But your review felt so true and real, especially after doing a bit of research into who you are, your vast mic collection (I'm trying not to drool on my computer as I write this thinking of the mics you own), your knowledge of recording/gear history, and the straightforward approach you have in telling it like it is all had a great impact on me. I also have a lot of mics (it's an addiction!), some very nice gear, and a beautiful studio, but nothing quite like what you have. So it's really good to know that someone out there who knows what they're talking about is laying out some much needed truths about all the gear I care most about, whether expensive or affordable. So I really just wanted to say thanks! "Cheers!" and Happy New Year! and keep up the great work...
Hi Harry, thank you for your unbelieveable heart warming comment! I have shared it with the world because it went straight to my heart… Thank you for your support, it means a lot to me! Yes I am honest, and indeed I dont get payd by anybody, so my reviews are like I feel about a product. This message is such a boost for me since my live mixing business agenda was scrapped untill march… so i have time to make some more video’s. PS I had to give back the WA67 to the warm audio distributor, so there was no time to swap tubes. My vintage mics all have the original tubes
@@MasterclaesVideos Hello again Peter. I might say "too bad" that you had to give back the WA-67 but since you have just about the best mic collection I've ever seen that I'm pretty sure you'll be able to handle it... A couple of quick questions: In your opinion is it worth it to change the stock tube that comes with these mics (typically an Electro Harmonix) to an NOS vintage tube? 1-I usually do it but I'm just curious of your opinion... 2-I noticed a few Pultec EQ's in your rig (more drool...), any chance you might put one of those up against either the WA EQ or the Klark Teknik EQ that are modern copies of the Pultec? I've been leaning towards getting a pair of the KTs but would love to hear what you think of them as compared to the mighty, and quite expensive, original... As ever, Thanks my friend and keep up the wonderful work...
@@harrymatthews5819 I have not experimented with other tubes since I do not own any of the "clones" I reviewed. But I read a lot of comments below that people often change the tube with good result. (Please have a look below and maybe ask these guys what they used as tube). 2: I owned a pair of Warm's but I sold them when I got the Pultec's. It is in the planning to do a Pultec shootout video... I just need 48 hours a day :-)
Too bad you didn't wait, there's a new mic out now that's killing all of these mic clones out here. It's called a UT87 from a company called United Technologies. Go look it up. I can't wait to buy it!!! One Love
thanks for this video! For a U67 clone I use the Slate VMS mic with the software, and it works remarkably well! Might have to purchase this one too, to compare.
Have you tried the Townsend L22?
@@MasterclaesVideos I have not personally tried it no. will do some research and see what to add to my cabinet next. thanks for a great channel!
Great video! Thank you for taking the time to do this. I also largely agree with your conclusions.
Thank you! Which one would you buy if money was not the issue?
@@MasterclaesVideos oh, the original 67. I’m a vintage gear guy, so that mojo and history mean a lot to me. Plus it’ll appreciate with time as an investment.
Thank you very much for a very honest and unbiased critique. That was the answer. I was hoping for, but wouldn’t have been surprised if that wasn’t the case.
I try to be as unbiased as posible! Thank you for the comment. Did you buy something?
Thank you Peter for this review and for being up front! We all appreciate that!
It's amazing how similar they actually are. Small nuances, but the Warm is remarkable for the price difference!
I agree they sound exactly the same. The only thing I would worry about is do every single Warm Audio WA-67 sound like that? Sometimes with cheaper gear and less detail to craftsmanship you have to also think did he just get a better version? If not than these mics are just amazing.
Try the UT87 from a company called United Technologies. Best mic on the planet right now. It just came out.
thank you for comparison! Also WA-87 Mk1 is very close to U87 Vintage.
The Warm was more hollow sounding, especially when speaking from the back. From the front it had a slight hollow resonance in the 800hz-1200hz region. I also hear more sensitivity and room ambience with the Warm. In addition, the Warm is brighter sounding.
Would work for modern music though
There's always some undefined low frequency rumble in the Warm Audio Signal, that's the first thing I noticed (besides the lower presence tuning).
Yes Johhannes, you are right! The U67 is much tighter in the bottom end!
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@@MasterclaesVideos I was just going to comment the same thing but since Johannes B. already did, I'll just say I agree with him. Nice comparison BTW. I subscribed and hit the bell!
@@joemanzella7817 thanks a lot! Much appreciated!! 🙏🙏🙏
@@MasterclaesVideos how would you compare the wa47 to the sm7b
@@EM-km8em Two different beasts, but you can hardly ever go wrong with an SM7B...
Wow, I actually prefer the Warm Audio sound. I'd say the difference between the mics is no bigger than the difference between two U67's. Fantastic job by Warm Audio bringing us such an affordable version of this mic. Will have to get one ASAP. Thanks for the video!
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The Warm sounds more transparent to my ear but the 67 sounds thicker. Great video!
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Thank you for an awesome piece of work with these mics
The Neumann seemed to have a little more presence tonally, but The WA-67 would do just fine.
Fantastic review and very nice studio ! Hope you can also have a look at the WA87-R2 for review comparing it to U87.
Thank you very much Peter, maybe the most fair and important review of both mics.
I've watched this video before and I like watching it again. Thx again
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Really, really nice compare. Thanks for taking the time!
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Well Done!! This Warm Audio WA 67 Amazing sound for the price U$799. TY!!
It is a good mic for the money! Did you buy it?
@Masterclaes Not Yet, but I will!! 👍👍👍😀😀
Great demo! I was also disappointed by the shiny finish on the wa47s, not "pro" looking at all, IMO. Quite impressed by how close they sounded, much closer than I expected. The guts on the Neumann are just impressive. Thanks a million.
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Its the guts of the Neumann that make me wonder will the Warm Audio WA-67 sound like that on every one of them? Or did he get lucky and just got an amazing version. That's the thing about build quality sometimes. Other than that the WA-67 is absolutely amazing.
You’re really a wonderful person! WA gotta pay you cause this is the best presentation ever here!
Hey, unfortunately nobody is paying me anything. I did not even get to keep the mic! 😂 Thanks for the comment!
@ Oh sorry about it . I hope WA guys would get to see it. I’m sure they are making good business out of this video!
Thank you this comparison of the two mics. I'm researching some of Warm Audio's products and this was extremely helpful. Liked & subscribed.
Thank you very much!
Thanks so much for this! I'd love to hear the high-resolution files.
One thing that would have been nice to test is how much resonance on a vocal they produce. Cheaper mic's tend to have annoying spikes in the 4k region when you get a strong vocalist.
Both sound great, but the Neumann's U67 have a natural compression and a very straighforward midrange sound. Warm's sound a little blurry on the low mids, but we can deal with it moving the mic from the source. Good review!
yes that feeling of compression and lip smack is the gold dust you only get from certain mics.
Yeah sure…whatever makes you feel good. Your clear bias and well, snobbery shows through. Just can’t admit that Warm nailed your precious Neumann..same thing when American muscle car owners get dusted by a Honda or Toyota…
Great Video! Great Job! and love all the gear in your studio! I could live in there for years. I own several Neumann mics but having a pair of the u67s is way out of my budget. Thanks for sharing.
Yes. The basic sound of the mics is indeed very close.
However, the transient response is not! I.e., the very attack of the strung guitar strings is much better on the U67 imho. More fun to listen to and more moving. Keep in mind, this very attack is what we try to optimize on kick drums to make them work emotionally - making it dancy.
The sound is indeed in the transients! Thanks for the comment. What is your go to mic for kick drum?
@@MasterclaesVideos Kick: I use a D-112 or a 47 FET. Sometimes both: D-112 very close and a FET 47 farther away,
Would love to hear the 96k files! Thanks for the comparison!
Noted!
Nicely Done, Peter!
I agree with Greg T, below.
As I'm looking for a few mics for a start-up home studio, the Warm Audio WA-67 and WA-87 were mentioned (along with the Shure SMB7). Thanks for a well presented shootout.
Wow, you have awesome gear there, congrats. The Warm Audio Mic looks very shiny, I love it. Thank you for the comparison 🙏
Thanks for the comment! What mics do you own?
@@MasterclaesVideos I have a Rode NT1 from 2006. Very nice mic.
Thanks Peter. Great video. I’m thinking to buy a tube mic and thanks to your vid I will considere this warm audio.
I love Warm Audio outboard gear but have not been real hot on their mics, I do REALLY like this mic though.
Hi Andrew, what outboard do you like from Warm?
This was very useful to me! From your demos, the Neumann to me sounds more detailed and open on the upper mids and high end, but hey. That's what a smidge of eq is good for. It helped me feel good about spending more money and getting the WA67. Absolutely love it on my voice, which is baritone and can be lacking in upper mid detail when my technique isn't getting the sound properly out of my face. Thanks for all this!
Hi Jeff, thank you for the comment. It’s nice to read you are happy with your WA. What preamp are you using?
@@MasterclaesVideos a Warm Audio 273. They've sucked me in!
@@MrSwirly69 I have one too, I'm going to compare it to my pair of vintage 1073's.
@@MasterclaesVideos I'll look forward to that out of curiosity. I've really liked it for what I've used it for, vocals, condensers on electric guitar, paired with a 57 through the WA412. Like I said, they got me. I worked with a 3124 on drums the week before I got the 412, and while it was an apples vs oranges comparison, I've loved the similar punch and depth the 412 gives to direct bass and electrics. Gotta put some drums through it. I don't think I'll be let down.
neumann will always have the advantage of 3 d characteristics that are hard to even identify... that said, wa has done a fantastic job for the cost. I can make up the sonic differences with my eq choices... you are right about it's appearance and the construction of the warm.. it sounds fine and even better with a vintage nos tube. I have one and I am so far, very pleased with my purchase. Keep on rocking.. nice review
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Warm Audio heeft een pareltje voor een budgetprijs op de markt gebracht. Natuurlijk heeft een vintage Neumann meer karakter maar een Mercedes Gullwing heeft ook meer karakter dan een huidige GT. Zo goed als geen verschillen te horen, een prima tube en point to point construction. Top! Peter ik ben overtuigd van WA-67 en leuke review :-) Thanks
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Wow! You've got some great racks of gear! Thanks for an honest and illuminating comparison.
Thank you! If you want to have a closer look at the gear, please have a look at the rig rundown video’s as well!
Awesome reviews. Really enjoy your honesty and humor.
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6 minutes in and Im sold on my next mic. I want to add this to my dream list of Neve 1073 and Cl1b vocal chain.
You mean the U67 or the WA? If it is the U67, I would go for a M269!
...and then he casually says ”the stereo version of the u67” like it’s just the most natural thing in the world to have one of those lying around. Oh, and good, solid review! Thanks.
Well it’s actually the stereo version of a 269 (I cut out that part i guess) 😅. If you subscribe to my channel I will show you a bit more of some really rare gems in my Masterclaes Private Collection! Thanks for the positive comment!!
Hehe, yeah, it's pretty insane! To be fair though, he probably - like most people who has a lot of those things - bought them back when no one wanted them and you could get m49's and u67's etc for 50 dollars each. Oh how I wished I was an adult in the mid to late 80's and early 90's and knew what I know about microphones today...
@@michaelcaplin8969 put two zero’s behind that price and that’s more realistic... 😅
@@MasterclaesVideos Hehe, so I guess you didn't buy them back then. NRK (national radio and television here in Norway) was giving away their stocks of Neumann m49 microphones to whoever wanted them because no one wanted those crummy old tube mics. They couldn't get rid of them, so had to keep them. Decades later, that paid off! However, it is infuriating that the Gefell m582 pair I bought for 3500 dollars went for 3 dollars a piece when I was a kid.
@@michaelcaplin8969 i grew up in a music store that still exists for more than 70 years... can you imagine the amount of instruments and gear I’ve seen no one wanted anymore? 🤯 If i had only known...
fair enough! good job, i put headphones on and it was surprisingly close, i still hear a decent warmer mid with Neuman, but like you say, and with a touch of mixing, the price alone explains... chow wm
In the guitar example @10 min, the WA-67 is distorting the bass-end and blurring transients far more.
This should be obvious on decent monitors unless one's hearing is compromised or damaged.
Hey, thanks for the comment. I think some people listen and watch my videos on a phone and then they cant see and hear details… You are right: they should be watched on a bigger screen and a decent pair of speakers to make the right judgement
nice work Peter
Beautiful review, answers a lot of questions. cheers from down under
I love the end ;) I understant ! Brilliant ! Thank you
I heard more self noise on the Neumann, but in all others ways I could not tell them apart. Thanks!
Thanks for the nice comment! Which would you buy if money was not the issue?
I had another listen, this time with Beyerdynamic DT990 headphones, and this time I couldn't hear a difference in self noise, I only seem to notice that with earbuds and then I definitely hear more noise with the Neumann (probably because the audio is closer to my ear drum with buds). However, with the DT990s, the guitar comes across with more "life" in it than the WA, somehow it seems to have more liveliness, whether that's to do with more top end I don't know or some kind of special magic 🙂. So I think I'd have to choose the Neumann if money was not an issue.
Wonderful review. Thank you sooooo much for this work.
Thank you! Which one is your favorite?
Perhaps in the future, you could also compare the Wunder Audio CM67S and the Stam Audio SA-67.
Hi Peter,
wow .... I would not have thought.
But you are right, the 2 microphones can hardly be distinguished.
We also have 2 U67s. I'll test the clones with strings and other instruments. Am very excited.
Thank you for your very good work! Great!
I saw you have a new Compressor "Focusrite Red". Tell me about this candidate. Or make a comparison to the plugin from Focusrite. I think the plugin is also available under ProTool, I'm not sure ..
Thankyou, i could just hear a difference in the openess of the top end. Made the neuman sound a tiny bit louder or a bit raw which I liked. This i could tell with my eyes closed and guessed were you were swapping back and forth and i was able to tell 9 out of 10. This could be the grill. Interesting you first noticed the shine, this is also the reflection of the grill maybe, and this means reflection of sound too. Could you modify the grill somehow.
I think the head basket plays a significant role, but i have not seen any aftermarket baskets for the warm yet… that would be intresting
Nice shoot out. Every file that I get from non pro engineers that use either the WARM audio 67 or 87 sound flat a muffly, so I was not a big fan of the WARM mics. Maybe it was the non pro engineers that didn't get the mic to sound good?
It's always the "guy behind the boards" and not the equipment. In most cases anyway.
Great review. Thank you! PLEASE PLEASE do a shootout with the WA-87 R2 against the vintage Neumann 87. The recent 'Sound on Sound' Magazine review stated that it is a very close match, and was even preferred on a female vocal recording....
That guitar sounds so so good! I would really like to listen to the recorded files in my daw not only over youtube!
I was really hoping for something unique here, but the WA67 seems to have that normal WA tubbiness to the mid and low mid that always puts me off from their mics. It sounds dark, but veiled rather than aged. The U67 sounds more compressed somehow, more rich even with dense tone.
Give me what your smoking
@@kodykindhart8230 I wish I could. Maybe it's just these samples for some reason. I was hoping for something good but I'm personally disappointed in the sound of the WA version. I'm listening to this on Neumann KH80's. Ive done previous shootouts myself with the WA87 And WA251 and my experience there was oddly similar. Veiled sounding rather than vintage or colorful.
That's what I hear also. The Warm low end sounds big and loose, the Neumann low end seems nicely controlled.
Exactly! The Neumann is a lot tighter in the bass!
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Thank You
Very interesting comparison.
I also had expensive Neumann Tlm 170. It Has 30 years Old
But in the 90s there was no choice.
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Downloaded and loaded into daw. Switching back and forth between the two on acoustic guitar, the difference is pretty clear. U67 is very nice, open, clear, but not harsh. I'll take it! The wa67 is much duller, and I noticed it would overload in places where the u67 did not.
I'd be interested in a comparison between these and the tlm67. Thanks very much for the test!
I had a TLM67 and it it is not a mic that impressed me… a lot of sound is made by the transformer in a mic and the TLM is transformerless…
Thank you a lot for your test !
Thanks for the comment! I hope it is useful for you!
You can't really hear a difference in comparing them in solo mode. What will happen, if you compare it in the mix? At the end the only difference is the collectors value. An original will ever be an original and will be much much more expensive than all copies ever made. Regardless of the build quality. Great comparison! And wonderful equipment in the back.
Thank you for this video sir. Great comparison between the 2 microphones. WA is a great deal yes the NM is better but that that much better? Id use a WA anyday and be happy about it.
Lmao
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I could hear the cardioid pattern on the wa, and i mean your actual heart beat on the shelf test. You are pretty healthy for a muso. 72 bpm. I had headphones on on the AB voice test they sounded extremely similar.
My thought exactly, I have a second U67 that sounds a bit differebt and the WA fits right in between. Which one would you choose?
Planning on doing a C800G comparison with their new mic? Fantastic video! Didn't think they'd be so close.
Wow! Maybe not the same, but I definitely wouldn't knock the warm. It still sounds great!
my anxiety when you put that USM69 on the edge😬😬😬 but then you fixed it😮💨. great video👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Thanks! Which one is your favorite?
your reviews are very well done.
Thanks!
Thank you for such an honest review, cheers!
Quite a nice comparison video. I must admit, I am sorry I didn't buy back in the early 1990s a Neumann U87 when it was around $2000 ($US)...Now they are $3600 US...So hence looking for an alternative mic.
BTW: I don;t like the way the WARM looks also, but I guess I could possibly get over that if it sound's great. The jury is still out for me right now, but thanks for spending time to do this video....All the best from the US (near NYC)
Phil
You could still spend your money on a Neumann... they offer great budget alternatives like the TLM series
@@MasterclaesVideos Yes for sure. Agreed. Thanks.
Phil
Hey, Peter! Thanks so much for the review, and your other videos, too. Can I please have a copy of the files? Thanks so much!
Nice review, very helpful!
This is a great video .Thank you for making. Most people have a Lava lamp in the studio , you have a Squirrel lol very nice . Awesome channel I just subscribed
Now he’s got a sub on his wrist! What a collection.
It’s Bandrew!!!
Well done ! Best Regards from Germany, Roger
Vielen dank!
Great honest vid! Thanks so much man!
I think I got the nail on the head. The grills may be the difference. The u67 sounds compressed. The wa67 sounds loose. Not tight. That may have to do with the difference in the grills. Exactly the same tho in tone n frequency response. Only way to test is to put the u67 grill on the wa67.
The Neumann had a audible hum on your first test. Also to be honest I liked the Warm better. Great video.
Love your work, exactly what lunatics need !
Lol! Indeed it takes one to make these 😅 which is your favourite?
Great channel, please continue with mic, HW and plugins comparison
will do!
Thank you very much for your clear test 🎶✨
Don't see any negative side on the circuit board construction and using silicone is a good touch and the right approach, I think it sounds better than the Neumann's a little bit warmer more detailed and could be EQ in exactly the same, and for the price difference it's a no-brainer. be interesting to see what the new Neumann's is like compared to the original and warm audio.
Hey John, I thought it was appropriate to make a comment on it, because if would NOT have made a comment, probably somebody would have commented on the fact that I did not comment on it... Are you with me? :-) We can endlessly keep going on comparing other clones with originals if I look at what is being offered on te market. Sometimes you just have to draw a line somewhere.
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@@MasterclaesVideos yes I beat you to it lol
I've been researching the early Bob Marley recordings, it's said that on Burnin' he used a U67 for lead and U87 for BV's - do you think the WA-67 is a good choice for my small home studio to get close to his sound? I've been collecting classic dynamics, SM57, M88, M201, MD 421 and Senny MD441 I've recently ordered, I also have a WA47 and Avantone CV12 here
It’s as close as you can get to the real thing!
Great comparison video! IMHO, to my ears, (listening on a low-budget USB audio interface with Sony MDR7506 headphones, and of course TH-cam's compression), your voice on the Neumann had more clarity and a gentle nudge in the mids/upper-mids which will probably make it sound more up front in a mix without much EQ or processing. If my budget for a tube condenser was around the price of the Warm WA67 of $899 USD (new), I'd also consider the Mojave Audio MA-200 (Royer designed with a Jensen transformer, JAN 5840 tube, and continuously variable pickup pattern), the Miktek CV3 (custom AMI T7 transformer, sub-miniature pentode tube, and 9 pickup patterns), Dizengoff Audio LD1948 (unlisted tranformer per manufacturer's website), or the Lauten Audio LA-320 (also unlisted transformer, but with a dual-triode tube). Have a nice day. Cheers!
Forgive me but add a warning about the ultra hyped brightness of the MDR 7506 cans - don't mix with them - I use them only to have vocalists monitor themselves with them. Extremely misleading headphones with deeply carved out midrange.
@@RideTheFuture It's all good. I understand the point you're trying to make. I've used them for years and my ears have gotten used to them, especially to check for any offending or musical sub-sonic frequencies since they're designed to reproduce sounds that go down to 10Hz. I like the sound stage and stereo imaging of the 7506s as well. What other headphones would you suggest I try for mixing that doesn't have an ultra hyped brightness?
I like your fair criticism not just in this video but in the 251 as well. We all have hit and misses. Sounds like this was a hit though.
True!
Yeah, they're very close - BUT - the WA-67 is a little boomier in the lower mids (200 - 300Hz). If recording a female, I'd lean toward the Warm for that subtle weight / proximity effect from the Warm. The U67 has the very familiar focus to the lows that I really like. So, I can hear the difference between the two they're close. I've heard greater differences between U67's of various vintages. As for the head grill, yes, absolutely a significant influence. I got to visit with Martin Schneider at Neuman GmbH back in the mid to late 90s, and it was quite interesting to hear his explanation about the amount of consideration and testing that goes into the head grill designs of their microphones.
Fantastic comment thanks! True, there are big variations between vintage mics. I always try to maintain them well to reduce the amount of variation. What is your favorite mic?
agreed! :-) marginally brighter I thought also, nice comparison Video :-)
I thought the Neumann sounded horribly distorted from behind the capsule. I was shocked by this.
wonderful studio and very very useful review! Thank you!
Goede vergelijking Peter! En top uitgelegd 😉
Merci!
Great and informative video thanks for sharing! Quick question if you don’t mind. I am a flamenco guitar player, and I’m thinking buying either the WA-47 or WA-67. What would you think would work better on a Flamenco/Classical guitar?
Thanks again for the video!
The WA has a more muffled proximity effect, I think. I gotta say I can barely wait for a 7 minutes review normally, but this one was so good I couldnt believe it had ended after 14 minutes.
WA is a tad brighter (seems like virtually all new mics trying to emulate old mics have this problem) that could easily be fixed with EQ. Besides that they sound pretty much the same
Thanks for the comment! Which one would you pick if money was not the issue?
Great review. Thanks for this