Ash Sarkar DESTROYS Christo Foufas In GMB Rail Strikes Debate
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I love how cristo says there’s loads of low paid employees who aren’t in unions! That’s the whole reason they’re low paid!
and I love how sharp Ash was in pointing that out 😁
Exactly.I would love to know how much he earns whilst preaching to others . It's most likely because typical horrible people like him ,in jobs like his get paid extortionate high wages for what they do . So he's alright jack as they say. There is so much unspoken snobbery from certain industry's that they won't say they believe quote on quote every day jobs are lower in class and deserve less money,not because they work less or provide less of an important role but solely on an antiquated Victorian way of thinking . Of course they wil not say that.
Precisely! Join a union!
Friggin eh.
The are not low paid 😂 hope to god we go driverless soon with trains 🙏
We are not slaves! And so have the right to withdraw our Labour as and when necessary!
therefore I Personally I think that it is well overdue for us all to call a national strike✊🏻✊🏿🏴
Absolutely. There should be more unions in the UK with more power to negotiate on behalf of members. Unfortunately there are many who buy the lie that unions and strikes are the enemy.
Couldn't agree more. I just wish the working class in its entirety would realise just how much power is really in our hands, and perform a global denial of labour. You watch the billionaire and multi millionaire spivs panic then.
Yes time for toffs to go away. Way more of us than them.
It is time to start reminding people that wages come from the employer as a cost. Ie the employee sells their labour to the employer for a monetary value.
Won't pay the rate. No service for you.
Can't pay for your machinery, it's gone, can't pay for your electricity, it's lights out .
No exceptions for labour costs.
The cost of living has gone up so much, even without an inflationary rise this means you are losing money
If rail is an "essential service," then it should be run as such, and the main objective should be a decent service at a decent cost to the public - not maximizing profits to shareholders.
This argument should hold true for all other essential services, like heating, transport, etc.
@@globalist1990 absolutely. All the essentials for life ( bottom tier of Maslows hierarchy of needs)
should not be for profit.
Shelter, water, security,food,)
Plus travel as people need it to earn a living
i know its funny that ppl dont know that british rail still runs and at aprofit which does back into the service..where you ask..northern ireland..cause the finacial risk to those operators due to the troubles meant the gov kept br....and it works better then on the mainland,,,funny that..probably at lower costs too
*"This argument should hold true for..."*
all Socialists. Because you just described socialism in a nutshell.
Especially including universal network access to the economy.
@@bradbell4022
Won’t somebody please think of the share holders 😭 please think of the heroic shareholders 😢.
If not for them who else would profiteer from a natural monopoly.
Selfish bloody workers wanting a fair share just because they do the work.
Thank god for the corporate media stooges, if not for them who else would stand up to these working class thugs on national tv.
It's never the right time is it? There will always be something happening that will justify saying "now is not the time"
Also if the 'right time' suddenly happened, the day finally arrives where no one in the country needs a train so nothing will be disrupted, what would be the point in striking? They'd be ignored and nothing would change.
Exactly. It's all just a fucking excuse to avoid even having this conversation.
Such as " Don't you know there's a war on, you Moron" 🙁
@@davidripley2916 stop looking for excuses. If a strike didn’t cause disruption then there would be no point. So when should they strike when the war is over and when will that be?
@@allanfarran364 The only thing I'm looking for is my valium.💊😊
Privatisation has caused worsening services and higher prices in every industry I’ve taken the time to look at. Energy (gas and electricity) rail, water are all significantly worse than when they were publicly owned and provided decent jobs with good terms and well funded pensions.
I think the case is often made that rail before privatisation was also a pretty terrible service for a number of reasons. One of them being that it was not a particularly democratised industry: state run, say, rather than publicly run. I badly want rail to come back into public ownership, btw, but it matters how it is organised: replicating the hierarchies of the private market on the state side is often bad as well.
@@janguvpes7518 given it was always starved of investment, if it had had the amount that's been pissed against the wall in profits. Remember the bailout of railtrack being used for dividends
If you think that taking the railway back in to public control is going to make it any better, I guarantee you it won't. There's going to be a minister who will push for a more European style version of running out network and using more technology.
@Andrew Oliver, Exactly.
The facts are:
The NHS was great until we moved to public-private partnerships and spent more money to receive poorer services. The same NHS surgeons work part-time for private hospitals, conduct the same surgeries, but are paid more because of insurance fees stumped up by those who can afford to bypass the system.
Gas and electricity was always delivered to your door, and more cheaply than today. Prices have risen dramatically since.
Train ticket prices have gone through the roof since privatization - the service is still shoddy and rush-hour is like being on a cattle truck. Of course the tracks themselves, which are the most expensive bits, have been left as a publicly owned service.
If the government isn’t capable of running enterprises, try not paying your taxes. The HMRC seems to be pretty capable at that.
The Royal Mail delivered post twice a day, six days a week, until the government tried privatizing it, changed its name to Consignia, and then changed it back again. It’s still a shadow of the service it used to be.
The thing is, successive conservative governments deliberately underfund essential services to run them into the ground until the public gets frustrated and calls for privatization. It’s an old ploy and gets the citizenry every time.
@Dorset Big Cats. Great to have you engaged with “A gross over-simplification full of errors.” It’s always good to discuss.
Now, would you care to elaborate on where there was oversimplification and what the errors were? Thanks.
I’m in an industry that won’t strike. I’m an NHS nurse. And look at what that’s got us! Clapping. That’s what we’ve got because we can’t strike. A round of applause.
To be expected after all those empty wards were exposed and the number of syncronised dance routines on tic tok.
@@genwoolfe Nice work at Quebec btw. Well, apart from the obvious …
@@genwoolfe It is not the nurse's fault that there were empty wards. If the NHS trust doesn't have the STAFF to have the wards open, then they will not be open. And the NHS trusts don't have the STAFF because they don't have the MONEY because they have so many non-essential staff, like managers, and bean counters, all because your useless TORIES are intent on torpedoing the NHS.
BTW, you are aware thatNHS medical staff were doing those "dance routines" etc. while they were NOT WORKING to help the national morale, don't you?
Or are you so f**^ing D**b that you don't realise that the scumbags in Downing Street are lying to you? Haven't you realised that The Daily Fail, The Excess and the Torygraph sports habitually lie to you that they're like "Boris" Johnson, who lies so constantly and habitually that he even lies about his own NAME!
@@genwoolfe Did you see any ventilators in those empty wards?
@@markwelch3564 I was distracted by a mobile xray machiene being used as a bobsleigh.
The public are idiots if they don't back the strike. Ticket prices have exploded and none of that extra money has been invested back into the service, including staff wages. Is anyone ok with their money being weaseled away abroad for shareholders to dodge paying taxes while people are actually struggling to exist?
We need the level of solidarity that seems to be so organic within the French population
Fortunately for them they don't have a monarchy to produce babies on demand when the establishment is in trouble.
Right beside you on this Holly!! Xx
@@ME-ol9gk Same thing happened to us last month. Shame is a powerful thing - make scabs ashamed again
The French people, as a rule, are light years ahead of the Englanders.
Fraternité, innit!
It always make me laugh when all these wealthy or at least comfortably well off interviewers and politicians say"WE are all feeling the squeeze"🙄
I stood with the miners and I will stand with the railway workers. Out Brothers Out!
Me too👍👍👍👍
I wish many more had supported the miners during 84/85. We warned would happen.
Two completely different disputes. Scargill's demands were ridiculous (keep every pit open until every last lump of coal mined regardless of cost, and NO negotiation on this) whilst a decent pay rise for the rail workers is completely justified.
@@joebish6629 Joe that's complete nonsense. Many smaller inland pits were closed with the NUMs agreement as they were worked out and became uneconomucal and that was recognised. However my colliery was producing a gigajool of coal at 93p and sold at 1.29 making a healthy profit, as were many large coastal pits at this time. The coal industry was closed because of Thatcher hatred towards the NUM, finishing the strongest union and industry at that time. We still import many millions of tonnes of coal even today. Tell me, why should we import coal today when we sit on hundreds of years of unmoved coal below our feet? Stop listening to msm.
Just want to point out that 11% is the pay rise that MPs pretty much *without fail* award themselves every year. Surely, if this is the minimum they feel that is required for such a comfortable salary, people with lower paid jobs should get a more substantial rise.
Exactly and thank you for that point
Well said👋👋👋
To be fair, they don't award the pay rises to themselves, but they could fucking refuse it.
It should be legislated that all public sector workers' pay rises in line with the MPs. If it is 11% for them (politicians), then it should be minimum 11% for nurses and healthcare workers, teachers, public transport workers, legal aid lawyers, sanitation workers, etc.
@@pedanticsmith5613 so who recommends Mps pay rises? A committee of appointed yes men ...by the government? I will stand corrected of my comment is untrue.
"You are letting the working class down!!" Railway station staff are also the working class lol
Railworkers aren't on a working class wage though, this is what you lot don't understand.
ONS put a rail workers wage at £45-£60 grand a year.
To put this in perspective, your average care worker of whom this strike will massively affect financially are on £16 grand a year.
What these greedy, greedy disgusting Railworkers need to do is to get off of their greedy arse and get back to work.
@@thirdmeow2270 shoudnt be a race to the bottom. train drivers get £40-£60k station staff such as cleaners ticket staff donot but they are part of the union so the should suffer because a few in the union get a ok wage while share holders rake it in while taxpayers still give them subsidies
care workers, nurses are massively underpaid and deserve to be on £40-£60k to but have no means to really bargain as striking is off the table
@@thirdmeow2270 median wage is 30k, many many of the people in the union are staff not drivers and earn 18-25k.
even still, they'd be getting stuffed if they _were_ on 50grand because they'd be getting real terms pay cuts and large scale job losses.
everyone finds poverty and working class struggle sad until the workers do something about it..
@@thirdmeow2270 It's totally dependant on your circumstances though. If you've been left with 3 kids and one income due to a partner leaving you, it isn't that much money. You have to also remember railworkers work all through the night and weekends with drunk passengers spitting in your face. The industry is surprisingly well paid, but thats why people go there. People live within their means, no payrise for 3 years means some of them are struggling.
I've never crossed a picket line in the last 59 years. I will be celebrating my 60th birthday in a few months. If there is a rail strike I will change my plans for the day. I always support striking workers because I know it's the last resort for them.
Ash goes beast mode, outstanding!
Good for Ash. Well said.
I worked predominantly in management and technical positions throughout a career spanning five decades. During any dealings with unions, I have found their representatives to be professional and well informed. Without unions we would be working 6 or 7 days a week and see exploitation of children. In most of my working experience, I have found poor management and employer exploitation to be a far greater threat to our economy than irresponsible unions. The blame game has been ratcheted up to support the Neoliberal free market agenda where workers are dispensible commodities, with few rights and often undervalued. Frankly, a national strike demanding a reset would be justified in our broken country. This complicit government takes the p1ss, and is beyond contempt.
Spot on David
Well said
Absolutely on the money!
"I have found poor management and employer exploitation to be a far greater threat to our economy "
but management can do no wrong, litt. and fig.
whether they do good or not, doesn't count towards their remuneration. workers don't get the severance package when made redundant
@@brmbkl A similar experience. Senior management is now judged and renumerated solely on shareholder profit. Society is breaking, as Thatcher intended.
Can I suggest you refrain from calling it a pay “rise” in any context. It isn’t a pay rise at all. It’s an attempt to maintain the same levels of real pay. Calling it a rise plays right into the governments hands.
I tried that with my boss but he didn't agree
Ash summed it up at the end.
Who is going to pay for inflation?
Million of workers who haven't had a pay rise in years already or corporations who have been making a mint during COVID.
They public will pay for inflation because they chose to.
@@DC502_ "chose" how exactly? Did the public choose to start a war in Ukraine, or to impose huge supply change disruption on the global economy, or to print hundreds of billions of pounds/dollars and give it to the rich?
Ash killed it with her brilliant arguments! Well Done! Sure we'll feel some pain and experience disruption on the strike days but there's a reasonable argument for the strike.
That Cristo bloke was especially obnoxious. Did anyone, btw, manage to understand the first point he was making which he introduced with "You can't have it both ways"? Listened to it about 4 times and still can't get it to make sense. He epitomises a common media personality: overconfident conservative whose arguments are barely coherent.
He was such a tool. He looks like he's never done a day's work in his life. I wonder if he's even ever set foot in a train. Wonder if he would know what one is by looking at it?
That Cristo bloke comes over as another clueless wonder .
He was so aggressive and hostile but Ash remained calm and unfazed. She ran rings around him with clear, well-articulated arguments.
Think he’s basically trying to say “if your point is that these are essential workers whose pay demands should be met, then they shouldn’t be allowed to go on strike because they’re so essential”.
@@pgl0897 in that case, their pay demands should therefore be met, and then, after that gets guaranteed, THEN you can (debatably) take away their right to strike.
I don't actually think even essential workers should be disallowed a basic human right, personally speaking. But even when you do believe in that idea, his argument makes no sense.
You guys are doing a great job. No one understands how difficult it was to come home to my disabled mother and my pregnant wife yet I had to be working during the pandemic fearing they might catch it. No one understands what we go through as shift workers where we sacrifice our social life to make sure we stay committed to our role. I command you guys for making a loud statement. We will not stop. We can’t be stopped.
I'm a rail worker who worked all the way through the pandemic yet most of our management didn't appear in the office for months - they are very good at dealing out the orders but not following them. People forget the majority of our railways are owned by foreign companies and huge profits disappear abroad so aren't even recycled in our own economy.
How did we get a point where people are trying ban a union from Striking wtf
Tories, is how.
@@David-cm4ok Always been the Tory wet dream hasn't it, along with privatising the NHS.
They won't be happy until the working classes learn their bloody place and we are sending kids up chimneys again. Can't stand them. Show me a Tory and I'll show you a selfish, greedy piece of work.
@@iiwii8622 in a nutshell. What gets me, is that the working class people I work and live amongst vote for them time and again. They hate us.
@@David-cm4ok Mate, same as that. I have loads of friends who consistently vote Tory. We are all working class lads. I've told them time and again "they hate us, they cannot stand us, they loathe us and yet you're still voting for them?"
It's like a turkey voting for Christmas. I set them all a challenge recently;
"go and look at the historical parliamentary voting records of Tory MPs, or the party as a whole then tell me why you still vote for them"
I followed that by saying;
"So, for example, a party voting _against_ a pay increase for NHS staff and _against_ free or heavily subsidised school meals for the kids of the poorest families in the country, whilst simultaneously voting _for_ increased tax breaks, deductibles, subsidies and cash back incentives for billionaire corporations and their shareholders would be pretty scummish right?"
I told them to go away and do that, then tell me why they vote Tory.
I've not heard a peep from most of them since. I just can't get my head around it. Are people that easily duped by the Tories and their media moguls chums in this country? Shocking.
@@iiwii8622 well said. It astounds me. They want to bring unions to their knees, they want the workers working for fuck all. I actually work in an industry that the tories want to destroy our unions and the idiots I work with vote for them, which is essentially a vote against their own livelihood, it's staggering.
I love Novara Media... 🌻
I am jealous of how sharp Ash is
Join the (jealous) club. 😊
She never hesitates with the verbal whiplash.
I was a Guard from 1974 up to privatisation . I was responsible for train preperation , brake tests, weight to brake force calculations, safety, law enforcement, first aid, firefighting, train protection, ticket inspections, gathering evidence, writing reports, court appearances, presenting evidence, instructing the driver, dealing with death and injuries, rescue etc, around the clock and a rota of fifty-six different shifts. My take home pay in 1993 was £104. I have no sympathy with the public and I suggest a long and continuous strike or better still, the staff should walk away.
Don't make the mistake of thinking these disgusting media narratives actually represent the public. As some of these clips of people responding demonstrate, they don't. The general populace isn't the entity you need to have or lack sympathy for. Rail customers are with you, we're not as stupid as news programs think we are.
The public and the media have no inkling to what the level of responsibility the Guard on a Train has.
@@nicholasglanfield9221 People used to sneer at us but they have no idea that if there was no Guard, the train would be very unsafe and life would be lost. Then there's the arrests of criminals to deal with. When we joined Europe, I asked the boss if we could do like my counterpart in France and Germany, and carry a pistol. That would have concentrated a few minds.
@@johngrant5448 it is true that I had absolutely no idea your job covered so many things, but as a frequent train user I never found myself with cause to assume elsewise. I think, all someone has to do in life, is at one point have a job someone looks down on or doesn't understand the full extent of (or even just a trusted relative or close friend who describes such a thing), to be able to then think sideways from that to their own immediate first impression of someone else's job, and how inaccurate that might be.
I would make only one exception for something I don't have experience of, and that's a rich person's job. I think it's fairly safe to assume they have it easier than anyone else. Just the simple nature of money and choice makes that a certainty. In all other circumstances I would assume a well earned pride of work unless shown otherwise.
It was certainly interesting to learn a bit. :) And I've always been a big fan of train staff who have understood and made allowance for my disabilities and generally made my journeys pleasant, and even one or two occasions a staff member has needlessly made my journey unpleasant, I could allow my annoyance to subside and chalk it down to their bad day caused by something else. Most people know and appreciate what stress does.
Bless you and everyone who works on the railways.
@@Torthrodhel In the initial stages of qualifying for the job of Guard, I had to undergo intensive training, we worked alone and we were responsible for the train and everyone on board. With a 95% failure rate, we had to take a three hour verbal exam, in that we would have to sit in a room alone with an examiner asking us questions for three hours, in order to pass. As previously stated 5% of us past the exam. Then we would have to repeat the same exam every two years and all with the threat of losing the job if we failed.
We weren't allowed to have any medical conditions or be colour blind so that was the first stage of elimination. The medical exam was thorough because it had to be. We then had to learn the routes that we would be working, this included every main line, goods line, junction, siding, signal box, every signal, every siding and how many wagons would be held in each "road"
We would need to know exactly, our present location at any given moment of the day or night. We could do this by the sound of the railway beneath us and the number of turns we had made, when we couldn't see the outside in the darkness. Drunks, violent thieves, train spotters, immigrants, arsonists, drug addicts, including councilors and politicians among the unconscious drunkards, were an occupational hazard.
Writing reports after the arrest or suicide, could take hours to write up, as did getting evidence together for the court. The job was extremely stressful and exhausting. When I started the wage was £35 per week.
I love Ash, she really knows how to articulate things that are meant to be said. The reality is working people are not being paid fairly for a very long time, yet CEOs are getting paid a ludicrous amount of money during the cost of living and a recession.
Well said
A bigger racist you couldn't meet ,dispicable person😂
Inflation has been caused by energy prices,not by increase in wages
As always with this bunch of crooks and followers.
Love Ash too 💗 Go girl
Ash is amazing. I’m an RMT rep. You are assisting the right wing press in saying our demands are the same as what they are saying. We want to maintain our T&Cs which I might add for most of us they are decades old. We want job security. Lastly what we want is the pay rise and we are asking for RPI at the rate it was at our normal pay anniversary date which was 7.1% plus the 0.9% that we missed out on the previous years. Please don’t add to the narrative that our pay demands are changing with inflation because that is simply not the case.
Good lad, this is our fight and your at the front
Good for you, it'll impact me on the commute but I am STILL with you. Hope you shaft them lad
I wish more rail workers would respond to the comment section ‘bots’ that spout sound bites that belittle and slander honest hardworking people fighting to secure their jobs and basic standard of living. We’re actually being dragged rapidly back to Victorian times
Carole Malone is Queen Gammon. Awful human being.
We love you Ash ❤️🖤
Respect to the rail workers 🚩🏴
Long live the mighty Novara Media 👍👊✊
Ash, you are my hero. Thank you, thank you for actually talking about strikes and why they are necessary.
Bring on a general strike ✊️✊️
I'm a postie and our shareholders have been paid £400 million, meanwhile our pay offer is laughable. Some of my colleagues died during the pandemic.
I work for a public sector organisation that hasn't had a pay rise in 12 years. Effectively that's a 30% pay cut, and that's before this cost-of-living crisis. At the same time we work for a Chief Exec who has increased their own compensation by 300% in the same period and now earns 150k more than the Prime Minister.
This is Thatcherism at its worst. Join a union, organise.
A great performance by Ash, who is rapidly developing into a Living National Treasure.
I joined a union when I first started work, teaching, in 1971. I was never a non-member of a union until I retired in 2017. My entire career, both in the UK and in Australia, was marked by industrial strife in support of our rights as workers and the public's right of access access to a quality public service. Rights which are not fought for cease to be rights.
Brits might think otherwise but in France as well, we face this disgusting defence claims: "they keep people hostage" or "they should not strike because they are priviledged". And all that from supposedly objective journalists.... what a shame!
Sometimes here are just uneducated thoughtless comments. Mostly they are dishonest shills.
Compared to Britain the trade unions in France are in some kind of Utopia. The media in Britain is so right wing its not even funny. Every debate is framed from the right wing perspective and the Press is owned by elitist billionaires like The Murdoch clan!
You're quite right, what a horrible caricature of journalism, this is below contempt.
are the companies not keeping their workers hostage with this guilt?
I love seeing the media trying to bully workers into not standing up for themselves with the threat of inconvenience to the public, when 50,000 families would have been told the reasons why the strike is happening and are in majority going to support it versus not.
It's fortunate for rail workers that them striking doesn't cost lives like if NHS staff did.
Whenever I want a pay rise I have to change my employer, asking nicely doesn't work. This approach will not work in a huge monopoly with one employer.
Ha ha asking nicely just means they will just make your life harder
I'm Canadian ,i was a union griever for a couple of years ,it was disgusting to see what a corporation will do to its employees. The lying and just malice of the people they put in charge of other people's lives is frightening .We grieved 1500 cases in those few years and we won all of them, but we had to take them to adjudication to get reasonable people to deal with
If the radio presenter is right and these strikes legislated against, what's to stop people breaking the law to strike? In fact if all gets made illegal why don't we just reinitiate general strikes and wildcat strikes in sympathy. What difference will it make?
"Well this government are experts at being selfish and irresponsible" interviewer set that one up beautifully lmao
Seems this government has no problem in wasting billions on PPE, furlough fraud, track and trace etc, but has huge problems with people getting a pay rise whilst inflation is becoming an issue mainly because of privatisation and of course Brexit.
An entirely congruent stance from the right wing.
Mallone seems perpetually outraged about anyone wanting their share.
The last time she did a proper day's work was way back in the unproductive 1970s.
I am pro-union and pro workers rights, however, as a family of 5 on one income (and 2 home schooled kids), my heart sinks every time I hear of rail or tube strike action. We lost a days wage on the first tube strike of the month and lost 2 days due to the jubilee. To hear of another strike coming up is a huge worry as it puts paying rent into jeopardy. I don't blame the strikers, I blame the bosses who seem completely inflexible.
Thank you, the blame is on the bosses.
@Alex Holmes Partner is in construction, self employed 😟
If the citizenry don't back the unions that'll be the biggest victory to the establishment.
Can’t abide the use of that term ‘destroys…’; however, in this Ash presents a complete 360 argument from the perspective of the public.
Not only did ‘hairy soap dish face’ lose the debate, he lost his rag too.
I think it's a pretty self-conscious (and tongue-in-cheek) way of gaming the algorithm. Much as I dislike it too, I think that's why they do it and it's excusable.
I love when Ash schools the society and panels on their factually incorrect stances on how things work!
Ash constantly, constantly gets schooled and made to look an idiot.
Ash Sakar believes in "fully automated luxury communism", she doesn't believe that people should even be driving trains and the technology to do this already exists to do this.
@@thirdmeow2270 can you give an example.
If it wasn't for rail workers during the pandemic I wouldn't have been able to work in a number of hospitals to fill staffing shortages.
"Where's the money coming from?!"
How about the layabout bosses and share holders earning orders of magnitudes more than their employees?!
Ash Is such a force. She's an incredible woman
Absolutely love Ash Sarkar's agile intellect and capacity to school authoritarian capitalists, long may this continue. We on the socialist side of the political landscape may be aware of the arguments but most people today have only a very propagandised understanding of these arguments. Union and basic employment rights have been beaten down and demonised by capitalist ideals ever since Thatcher broke union power and raised restrictive laws back in the 1980s.
And then people will argue labour have to be in the centre to get elected. Which in the past 40 years has meant being anti-union and anti-worker. Somehow this is an acceptable strategy for the labour right.
They want it both ways, strikers are both not important enough to deserve a pay rise, yet essential enough that them striking will cause "misery"
Ash is right as always, Workers have the Right to Strike, to withhold there labour for Better pay and conditions for all..
Great job, Ash. I don't know if it was covered elsewhere in the panel but often times these government subsidies are a back door method of leeching taxpayer money out of the country into offshore shareholder's accounts rather than being redirected into improving the service and conditions for the staff and customers (as it would be in a properly managed, nationalised service).
I got called out with industrial action twice when working in the UK, once a strike and another time "work to rule". The work to rule turned out to be more effective. On the subject of trains, many European countries still have state run railways with competing private services, Sweden for example. I was saddened that the RMT were in 2016, however, pro brexit.
Ash knows her stuff, always a pleasure to hear her.
As a thatcher era miner I've heard it all before...never changes...
As someone who regularly travels across country via trains and was planning to do so during the planned dates of this industustrial action (Not to see Elton but to pick up my daughter) I fully support the workers of this union. What I do not support is the shocking prices and standard of services that these companies offer (Thats the nice version, iv had to stop myself going on massive fucking rant)
I’m so gutted I missed this live on TV but once again Ash you’ve done everybody and yourself so proud the way you spoke about the right to strike and what it actually means 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I'm with the strikers ...people have had enough of this corrupt tory government and the rotten media
Throughout the pandemic this government insisted that the uk rail passenger service ran, albeit reduced. Furlough for staff was non-existent. Trains ran around the network largely empty, carrying just a few essential workers. As an example: a morning service from London to Crewe would regularly depart empty. At Milton Keynes (first stop) no more than 2 people would join the service. At Rugby it was rare to see any passengers, similarly at Stafford. On arrival at Crewe nobody would alight the train, customers having left at Rugby or Stafford. How do I know this? I was the train driver. Billions wasted running a service which people couldn’t use. I’ve yet to hear one justification for this from this ‘party of good housekeeping’ government.
I really think Ash needs to be on TV more, I have never heard the point put across better, a very intelligent, polite and informed young lady (yes, I am of a generation) with people like her, and a lot of you around Novara around, I am a little less depressed about our future.
During brexit she was never bloody off TV, where have you been?
Basically, if workers have to strike it means bosses are doing a lousy job.
I love you, Ash. Fierce, intelligent, articulate and unafraid. You bloody legend.
Ash is absolute star, she tore that idiotic man's argument to shreds!! Well done to that young lady!!
I always love the little chuckles in the background of the studio when something ridiculous gets said
I had to laugh when one of the reasons given is, other EU countries have laws on rail strikes. We are not in the EU. Did he forget that whole Brexit thing? Or UK is out of EU when I think it benefits the government and corporations, but in when they don’t.
It's unbelievable. When austerity policies are introduced affecting people's lives you don't see such pressure on politicians. And now they even wonder if it is morally acceptable to go on strike
I actually think bosses are banking on bad press will get the unions to back down and that’s why we’re seeing so much “oh it’s not very convenient for people trying to get to work” excuse
You think correctly!
A lot of anti-strike types cite Europe as a shining example of where essential services aren't allowed to strike by law. I would bet that European public sector organisations are much better at working with unions for better pay, precisely because they understand the importance of keeping disruption to a minimum.
I really hope that the 'winds of change' are coming. People realise that have been conned and told to look the other way when rich, not even secretly got richer from our labour while we continue to work for less and less every year. Great performance Ash and great job to everyone at Novara Media. Wish you all the best
@@dorsetbigcats6292 dont see a problem with that. Im more for the content than the rest but whatever makes you happy lad:)
@@dorsetbigcats6292 you mean the House of Commons?
People can still afford train tickets? Wow!
Ikr so bloody expensive
Some journeys along some lines can be somewhat affordable and you just end up in a kind of mental huddle telling yourself "shh nobody say anything or else they might notice and make it like the rest of it".
These same people were so supportive of the truckers strike in Canada. Also often the first to ask why the British don't behave like the French when they want something.
Or maybe I've got that wrong.
Btw, if my memory has let me down, someone please say so.
What truckers strike?
@@danw5760 Canada.
@@nicholasglanfield9221 The freedom thing?
@@danw5760 Yes, the freedom thing. It was, I think, workers without consciousness who just wanted work to feel less alienating. They wanted work to feel alienating on the level it was pre-pandemic. And now a ton of people are suspicious of anyone flying a Canadian flag on their vehicles.
@@GenerationWhyMe I'm sorry there is absolutely no equivalence between the rail strike and the Canada situation, and you're arrogant attempt to theorize why they behaved in such a way rather than take them at their own word is just so typical. They clearly stated why they rallied, it was in response to egregious impositions on their liberty. The very impositions that far too many in these quarters turned a blind eye to, and some, extraordinarily, cheered on.
"Go and ask your boss for a pay rise" (on an individual basis) Lol.
Aren't railway workers already well paid?
EDIT: I just looked it up, the average railway workers wage isn't as high as I heard it was. They definitely should be getting what they're asking for.
Because?
They don't want a 10% pay cut (in real terms) and load of redundancies.
Would you?
yes, because they have a strong union.
So you suggest all workers not withhold their labour? You do realise it’s not train drivers but workers who clean the stations as well?
Also. Ticket office workers, signallers, etc.
"It is never the right time for striking" is equivalent with "it is always the right time for striking", from a pure logical standpoint.
Get rid of your queen and elect Ash as president. Greetings from Denmark!
The soyface in the thumbnail alone already has me rolling lmao
Now is not the right time to strike!
Is a bit like Boris Johnson saying "now is not a good time to hold me accountable!"
Thank you for your time and hard work guys!!!!
I can't do anything to support you guys, but hopefully my like and comment will help the algorithm to get your messages out further and to someone who can afford to chip in!!!!
Cheers again!!!!
The man couldn't even respond after being so thoroughly dismantled by her, then turned around and got dismantled AGAIN
If a strike doesn't bother anyone, it is not going to achieve anything. Gotta love Ash.
Could they stop collecting ticket money and just let folk on the train.
Germany charges about £10 a month for a travel pass across the whole country. However, that'll be nationalised public transport run for the people, not the wealthy few.
Yes. I think that's how the French do their strikes
@@keithpanton7486 it's a temporary measure (9 euros), for the months of July, August, and September (so €9/m). It doesn't cover the whole country exactly - you can't use it on long-distance or high-speed trains. So it is essentially covering intra-state travel on regional services: tram, bus, train. You could use it any federal state you like, thus it's "country-wide" in a sense, but couldn't feasibly use it to journey across the country (not unless you have a lot of time to spare). It's still great, and far better than what the UK have to put up with.
I think the Japanese do that...🤣
as a support worker i can attest to the sterling service that allowed me to do my job provided on some occasions by the railworkers. definite sympathy to the nine inch nails fan but respect to him as well.
Ash buried that corporate boss felator. She needs to be on every channel!
These people are so concerned about their individual incoveniences. No solidarity whatsoever.
Well done Peckham ❤️ SE15
Thank for putting out the positive reasonable alternative POV ,the hypocrisy and hardhearted approach of the Msm is disgusting. Oh and Ash killed it,
It's the Boss's Who are inconveniecing the Public, Aron is correct also.
Well, the rail strike screwed my holiday plans and cancelling at short notice cost me £300. But I still support it. Of course it causes disruption... but they're not DOING anything to cause disruption. The disruption is caused because we need the services they have withdrawn. Well, if we need it, it must be paid for. We need rail services, rail companies need the revenue and the people that actually GET the people and freight from A to B need decent work conditions and decent pay. If we want them to meet our needs, we must meet their needs. Talking and reaching a fair agreement that everyone is prepared to accept goes a lot farther than criticising them for 'causing' a disruption. When are they ever thanked for providing the service in the first place?
Okay, so, if I see 'em I'll kick 'em up the ass for costing me £300 but they're absolutely right.
If anything we need more strike actions across more industries at once, not less. I live in London and use public transport. I support the strike.
The cost of a train trip in this country is INSANE…
Absolutely off the rails expensive.
And it does not reflect the quality of service, the trains are generally dirty, etc.
Ash did great! It's infuriating how anti-labour the coverage has been, and how anti-Labour Labour themselves have become.
I'm travelling on the 24th, I was already expecting issues, well, more of it, but aye, I support their fight.
"This is not the right time" ... its never the right time to those who are not really affected by losing their job.
Edit: trains barely an issue, amazing work by the staff on the GWR.
If the railways are being subsidised, why are they paying shareholders out of taxpayers money?
Think they should work but not check tickets or take payment.
Everyone travelling for free.
Ash is such a skilled debater, much respect !
One of Ash's finest moments, absolutely smashed it. These people expect us to live in a complete dream world where victories are won without standing up and fighting for them.
I love the disconnect between the 'workers' and the 'public' as if somehow they are not, more often than not, the exact same people: and as a result, why the majority of the public support the strikes. The UK media once again towing the party line in order to vainly attempt to change perceptions, rather than reporting on lived experience.
We should learn from the railway workers. We shouldn't lower our standards as a society but be inspired by those who uphold them. We shouldn't take it out at each other but at those at the top responsible.
The hyperbole is incredible. "But you ARE causing misery" "Holding people hostage".
I mean can we have some rational minds in the media for once?
"You think companies making profit should give it to you"! Its this kind of Greedy Corporate Attitude that drives people more and more towards socialism!! Utterly Selfish and irresponsible!!
Literally the purpose of businesses and economies is to serve society. The right wing think it’s the other way around. Because the right wing is the interests of private capital and not society.
@@jgmediting7770 Agree on some points there, but its not a Right wing thing its the greedy companies doing this! These companies are also donors for Left wing!
@@koko2bware the right wing is the interests of private capital. The right wing is greedy companies. That’s the very definition of right wing. Right and left wing comes from the dynamic of capitalist v workers/society. You can think of the right wing as the interests of scrooge. At the end of the film, he moved away from the right wing and became social democratic. The middle ground of compromise between socialist and capitalist. It’s where a capitalist with a conscience would be. But a capitalist would never be any further left than that middle ground.
These greedy companies aren’t donors for the left wing. The left wing and even the middle ground of social democracy is their enemy. They funded blair because he and his labour were right wing. Soft neoliberals, continuing thatcher’s neoliberal consensus system. They didn’t fund Corbyn’s labour because his labour policies were social democratic, and Corbyn’s labour was thus funded by unions, membership and small donations from the public. Starmer is again courting such funding from private capital, because he is right wing, like blair. He is also purging the left wing and middle from labour. Unions are thus cutting funding of labour to the minimum. This is why the establishment will be nice to his labour and move onto attacking the tories, now it’s safe for them to lose given Starmer’s labour isn’t a threat to those economic interests, like Blair’s labour wasn’t.
Those companies only fund the leftist party if that party is corporate centre, (right wing). That’s what labour has been since blair, with the exception of corbyn. Indeed, it’s what just about every leftist party has been since the 90s. With some recent exceptions due to the neoliberal consensus collapsing in 2008. Yet here is starmer trying to maintain it, whilst even the architects recognise its dead and have moved on to trying to create the next consensus. And they’ll succeed because of people like starmer stopping the Labour Party doing what it should in such times.
Why don’t we strike like they do in Japan? All staff go to work but do not take any money from the working people. So we don’t lose out but no fairs are taken for the days of the strike.
Downing street thought that the Rail Strike would halt the supply of wine and cheese to number 10 for weekly wine time! No wonder they are upset!
Also, an 11% rase after years of inflation and *JUST THIS YEAR* inflation nearing double digits, is not even the bare minimum. They should get complete compensations for the inflation and add the value the workers added through being more productive.