WEATHER APPS FOR OFFSHORE SAILORS - A Meteorologist's Tool Bag

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  • @carsonc1272
    @carsonc1272 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Nick! This episode is gold. Thanks for your hard work and knowledge. You're THE guy to do this kind of video. Please let us look over your shoulder in the future as you consider the weather on future trips.

  • @VictoriaWargaming
    @VictoriaWargaming 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Thanks for this video. I am going through the whole 'collect all the information' phase and videos like this are extremely helpful.

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @cabrissonb444
    @cabrissonb444 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Must admit that a lot of the info (especially the interview portion) was over my head as not educated enough on the topic to follow! I would love you to walk us through some passage planning scenarios using predictwind and your thoughts process as you determine whether or not to go/when to go.

    • @benlindner5285
      @benlindner5285 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm interested in really long passage planning, like West Coast N America to S. Pacific. Is it even possible to plan that long range? Do you just sail and tweak your routing as you get updates?

    • @charonstyxferryman
      @charonstyxferryman 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@benlindner5285 Quote you ; " Is it even possible to plan that long range?"
      If possible, I would harbor hopping, and make passage planning decisions as you go.
      Other than that there are the recurring patterns.
      Summer weather is better than winter weather.
      There is a cyclone/typhoon/hurricane (⇽ those words have the same meaning) season, and the monsoon season as well.

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’ll try to do more of that. There is some passage planning in some videos from a year and a half ago....check the channel, I think the thumbnail on one of them is “Is you go How Fast?”

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes Ben, on long passages, you wait for the proper time of year when average conditions are most favorable, then you head off with a good window and tweak along the way.

    • @mikemessina6710
      @mikemessina6710 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      YES YES YES, Please give the break down as if explaining to a (idiot) child. lol... Very Tough digesting this when not familiar at all. Thanks my friend,,, LOVE the content!

  • @everythingexplained
    @everythingexplained 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for a very informative video!
    All complex systems are interesting and it's easy to forget the knowledge required to understand them, whether it's weather, a stock exchange, power grid distribution or fluids in a jet engine. Thanks for sharing!

  • @iwashpowercleaning7724
    @iwashpowercleaning7724 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the best video across the platform that I’ve watched about the subject by FAR. Great job Nick, Fair winds for us all…

  • @SirCharles12357
    @SirCharles12357 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is the video I've been waiting for, knowing that you're a meteorologist. Fantastic job, great information, well presented! Thanks!! [Edit: forgot to mention: Loved the intro talking point about the dynamics of the two largest fluids on earth. Nice perspective!]

  • @clearthedek
    @clearthedek 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nick, wanted to let you know that I totally geeked out on this. I’ve been using PredictWind for a while now is my go to and it was great affirmation hearing from both you and the founder of predict wind. Weather is never a constant in the power of mother nature is always awesome, so thank you so much for doing this video

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m glad Jordie. Jack is a good guy. Could geek out with him for hours.

  • @steveturansky9031
    @steveturansky9031 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I guess I need the Weather Interpretation for Dummies package - The one that comes with the dartboard and darts.

    • @kaylaandjimbryant8258
      @kaylaandjimbryant8258 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I can recommend a couple of older books that are useful to cruisers that we have found helpful:
      "Mariner's Weather Handbook" and "Surviving the Storm", both from 1999 by the Dashews (Steve and Linda). The latter should be in every cruiser's library. Although we have some nicer tools now than weatherfax (still important), his advice and case examples are still good, imho.

  • @othereyesediting6783
    @othereyesediting6783 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Overly technical for me, but I'm sure it's a wealth of info for those sailors
    able to use the apps and tools.

  • @glennedwards1449
    @glennedwards1449 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Judging from that interview I think Nick is in love! Definitely a Bromance going on there :)

  • @peterlitchford13
    @peterlitchford13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a much needed amplification of weather tools available to sailors today. Personally, I would put that information ahead of GPS based navigation when off shore! Well done!

  • @jasonwoodall2371
    @jasonwoodall2371 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keep this coming. Ventusky and windy are windy are great! I’ll pay for apps when I start going offshore. Love this info. Keep it going

  • @donhamblen8060
    @donhamblen8060 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. We have used Predict Wind standard for cruising from Pensacola to the Keys/Bahamas for the last three years. The passage planning is great for picking the window (from four sequential days). After picking the day, you have the four models to review for the passage plan. (The CAPE model is also helpful to forecast the potential convective activity.) Predict Wind is very accurate and it's fun to compare the models along the passage.

  • @FrankConforti
    @FrankConforti 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for this “deep dive” into what goes into forecasting. Despite the complexity of dealing with so many variables you make it easier for the layperson to understand just what goes into accurate modeling and forecasts. Thank you again

  • @RealRyanFlynn
    @RealRyanFlynn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great tips. I’ve always had a fascination with the weather and the sea, and even took a couple of meteorology and oceanography courses in university when I was attempting to steer myself for a commission with the Air Force 10 years ago. This really puts in perspective just how little I scratched the surface, but I may just get some more courses under my belt for better understanding the nuances of forecasting from boundary conditions. Thanks for the resource recommendations!

  • @TheoSmith249
    @TheoSmith249 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I used to use Herb Hilgenberg, via SSB for Atlantic/Caribbean routing back in the early 90's. He was based in Burlington Ontario, and held a check in Net every day for years routing sailors. We always sent him a nice 'stipend' every yr. Thanks for this vid. It's excellent to have an experienced users perspective.

  • @Dave-SailsAway
    @Dave-SailsAway 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best sailing vid I've seen in well over a month. Very informative.

  • @sylvaingregoire9008
    @sylvaingregoire9008 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i watched and listened twice and now realize that i need a weather terminology dictionnary, so if this is the intro to weather mapping, weather 101 will be most interesting (i used will be) , because im hopeful. Just noticed that your eye has completly healed, im very happy about that although i kinda miss the pirate patch, and lastly i miss the yatch rock, great work, stay safe.

  • @danielboughton3624
    @danielboughton3624 ปีที่แล้ว

    Saw the beginning and thought that looks like the PNW coastal range and sure enough... Fun discussion on the weather app and models at the end. Very valuable to get into the geek level detail questions with the designer. Having sailed in the sound and Hood's canal the thermals are always a thing. Sailing near land mass especially with mountains and the cool water below you learn quickly to pay attention. You can run up/down a coastline avoiding general offshore wind/current trends if there is a local variation that is favorable. This is also true on the east coast where I am now. I get interior wind patterns plus thermals until I get closer to the ocean and then there is confused wind and then the offshore trend dominates.

  • @timmitchell8784
    @timmitchell8784 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely awesome. Thank you for going so deep into weather. That helped us understand weather so much better.
    Thanks
    Timmy

  • @JohnCornellier
    @JohnCornellier 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    As others have mentioned, would love to see a "weather 101" episode or even mini-series. From a theoretical introduction, to global systems, to the effects of local terrain. I wish I could look at the jet-stream-level map and have some idea of what local effect that will have.

  • @donb4386
    @donb4386 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well that was fascinating and underscored how little I know about the weather or the wind models (Predict Wind) I use. Learning more will become another of my winter projects. Thanks for doing this.

  • @JayBr61
    @JayBr61 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I watch you guys, and I watch Delos. I really appreciate that you don't try to imitate Delos. I watched two episodes on another channel, and they even danced around to the Delos theme song. I love what Delos does, but I envision myself sailing more like you guys. Love these in-depth discussions of sailing topics. Fair winds and following seas!

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! I don’t think we’d do a very good Delos. They are way cooler than us. Lol

    • @JayBr61
      @JayBr61 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheOKellys Way cooler than this old dog, too. And I'm good with that.

  • @FtLMale1
    @FtLMale1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, a lot to digest. And the comments echoed many of my own thoughts and questions.
    Now I realize I’ll need to budget time (learning curve) and money for one of the most important ingredients I’m seeking when sailing offshore... Good Weather!

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's a huge subject, but it is literally the whole ball of wax in terms of good times vs bad times on a small boat. Or any boat.

  • @TraneFrancks
    @TraneFrancks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for this, Nick. I hadn't realized that there is a free level of Windy. I just downloaded it, despite not having a boat yet, to flesh out the information for the typhoon season here in Tokyo. It's fascinating to see the winds in Windy and compare it to the track and forecast discussion on CIMSS Tropical Cyclones.

  • @josephpaulson4479
    @josephpaulson4479 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nick, thanks for all the amazing content! I'm reading your book right now and it is great. Keep up the good work.

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Awesome, thank you!

  • @johnburkey1135
    @johnburkey1135 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    best weather video for cruisers ive seen - bravo

  • @kevsworld69
    @kevsworld69 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Weather novices have been educated by masters in this video, for which I sincerely appreciate and thank you! Perhaps this is an intro to a few weather classes by our favorite offshore team.
    Would you consider minimizing our weather naivete with a walk through of a route planning through interesting patterns?
    This long awaited video is awesome!
    Thank you

  • @jimwilson9005
    @jimwilson9005 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Again thank you very much for the added information I learned more today than I have in years about the weather

  • @robertflindall4692
    @robertflindall4692 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You're welcome for clicking. :P I would love to see more weather related sailing videos and you are the perfect person to serve them up!

  • @stevewildman1045
    @stevewildman1045 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a pilot, you use all available weather tools, and in my opinion you can't ever learn enough on the variables of changing weather, wind and clear shear.
    Thanks for sharing this info as I live just a stones throw from the ice near Lockwood Folly inlet, NC coast.
    I will explore the mentioned programs.

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do a bit of flying when I can as well. Luxury we have on the boat weather-wise is a little more time to consider things, usually less risk of icing, and with Clarity....unlimited fuel.... :) Fly well my friend.

  • @JibeTalking
    @JibeTalking 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Nick, great review of Predict Wind, I have downloaded it and use it. As a retired U.S. Army Intelligence Officer we briefed commanders on weather effects on battlefield operating systems, terrain, flight and and of course troops on the ground. As well I have a minor in geography from Southern Illinois University which had a weather component to it. I am a bit of a weather nerd so, I love what your are talking about and understand just how important weather data is before you go on voyage across the ocean. I am coming to you from Turks and Caicos, Seven Stars Resort and Spa. Doing some Scuba tomorrow and am looking forward to getting under the water. But had to look at the weather data to get back out on the water... Good look to getting back to Clarity when you do. Be safe and we look forward to your next videos.

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey Ron, I (Nick) was a geography undergrad after my meteorology program was cut by Measure 5 legislation. Love geomorphology myself. Enjoy T&C! Say hi to the fishes for us.

  • @Daniel-lf3vj
    @Daniel-lf3vj 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    excellent my wife and I are going to go board our first sailboat next week and sail it down to florida from new york, very nervous your video helps alot with the detailed information you provided. Thank you very much

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s quite a voyage! Fair winds!

  • @pleclerc1
    @pleclerc1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great video guys. As always, I learn a lot from watching your channel, so thank you for taking the time to produce these super informative videos.

    • @pleclerc1
      @pleclerc1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You know a video showing us how you read the winds and seas on your devices for short and long distance trips would be pretty cool IMO :)

  • @dancampbell8149
    @dancampbell8149 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very well done thank you. I took a weather course in boaters university and this helped connect some dots.

  • @vincentbarkley9121
    @vincentbarkley9121 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You knocked this one out of the park. Excellent. Thank you.

  • @vxnova1
    @vxnova1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for sharing , love these types of videos, Note that Ventusky is now $2.99

  • @carlosvallejo4926
    @carlosvallejo4926 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Nick
    If there is a library of must keep must watch videos, this one will be number one.
    That was one of the most interesting videos I have ever watched. If I was a fan of meteorology now I am addicted.
    Thank you , amazing knowledge.
    Cheers from NYC

  • @chrisbennett5510
    @chrisbennett5510 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic information! Thx to you for sharing your knowledge, insights, and experience. Cheers.

  • @williamediger3193
    @williamediger3193 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks so much for this well produced and structured video. As a long time pilot I have slightly more understanding than the average Joe (only slightly) but of course my predictive capacity is improved by the average very short window needed for a safe flight and restricted to the areas well above the surface. People rarely appreciate the incredible complexity of these models and the dependency on limited data collection ability especially offshore! I have only sailed offshore a few times and that was a number of years ago when these models and apps were not available. It was hold your wet finger up and look at the wind vane and barometer. Scary stuff sometimes. Thanks again for the video and the info on the available predictive software that can now significantly improve both my knowledge and my peace of mind. Stay Safe.

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m hoping that these weather/sailing apps for cruisers evolve to where Foreflight is! Amazing power with these tablets in our hands

    • @williamediger3193
      @williamediger3193 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheOKellys Absolutely! It is wonderful the age we live in with the rapid advancements. The old Arthur C. Clarke adage holds true, "Any sufficiently advanced technology will be interpreted as magic to the natives". Welcome native!

  • @martineisenschmied435
    @martineisenschmied435 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a very helpful video. I had seen other videos on weather apps, but not with this kind of detail. Thank you.

  • @davidolson7575
    @davidolson7575 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another fantastic video, I’m so happy that you Able to get the interview and you did an awesome job. I’d like to see you do more on this type of video in again thanks so much be safe and take care

  • @cavcom
    @cavcom 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm looking for my first sail boat now and am studying all the info I can find. Wanted to thank you for all of this and have been following you for a bit now. Maybe someday ill see you in a warm sunny harbor in the Caribbean.

  • @VERTICALWisdom
    @VERTICALWisdom 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your obvious passion for sure. Bit above us mere sailors - would be nice to see a series of short videos on a specific decision making process given a set of conditions. Because of this ... we decided to do xyz. Thanks for the great content.

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good idea. When we get underway again on Clarity in a couple weeks, I am going to do a bit more of that...or will try. I do get the feeling that this is boring stuff for a lot of people...but it shouldn't be...absolutely critical to good trips.

    • @VERTICALWisdom
      @VERTICALWisdom 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheOKellys Don't believe sailors find it boring at all, but short takes on how you process the info for a voyage is practical and we can all learn from it.

  • @wingnut2339
    @wingnut2339 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a fellow met, I found this video informative and entertaining. People would be surprised to find how many mets are unable to communicate wx info to the non-met people.

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is a really fine line to walk, is it not? Too little detail and it is cloud talk, too much and it is matrix algebra and PDEs. Lol

    • @wingnut2339
      @wingnut2339 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@TheOKellys Not everyone enjoys reading Holton :) The tools nowadays make it quite easy for non-mets to make informed wx decisions.

  • @thewedword
    @thewedword 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Weather Professor Nick, great video, excellent guest, alumnus and sailor, another weather headjust like you, thanks this information and insight makes us all better sailors! Love it man! Thanks for sharing

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Capt. Prof. Nick Esq. LOL. Thanks DJ!

  • @benlindner5285
    @benlindner5285 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent and very helpful! I planned on a GO and PW so it is nice to know I am on the right track. I sail for the S. Pacific in March '21!

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hope we see you out there Ben!

  • @jeremiahjahn
    @jeremiahjahn 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well, that was just awesome. Thanks for the info. I find software generally easier to use once I understand what the developer's intentions are. So getting it straight from the horse's mouth makes predict wind's features and foibles far clearer. To me the key was that it's really about showing the range of possibilities to be prepared for.

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      exactly. anyone who says..."hey the model was wrong"....just doesn't understand how models work or how to forecast. For the foreseeable future, a human being is required to make a good forecast. That will change eventually, but for now....a (skilled) person needs to know the limitations of each model and the range of possibilities. This video wasn't really about forecast, but maybe that's a topic for another video.

    • @jeremiahjahn
      @jeremiahjahn 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheOKellys yes please!

  • @JJ82IOE
    @JJ82IOE 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wind guru is fantastic!

  • @bearparts
    @bearparts 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok, now I know I need to study more on this... Thanks for the great info.

  • @sjf1stgrade699
    @sjf1stgrade699 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent Info. Thanks so much for doing this video. Well done!

  • @oceansquatch1481
    @oceansquatch1481 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video Nick! Really appreciate the drill down on weather and route planning. Might there be a book or video course in the future?

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I need more time than I have. I need another Nick....who will work for what I pay myself. lol

  • @MCMaxwell100
    @MCMaxwell100 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Nick for these weather videos. Very well done, informative, and timely!

  • @mandmmilling3716
    @mandmmilling3716 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video was great!!! exactly what i needed for my up coming trip up the west coast to the Dalles.

  • @PaulBeauchemin
    @PaulBeauchemin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. The interview took me back to discussions in Chem Engineering classes

  • @forsuccessforlife7441
    @forsuccessforlife7441 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nicely done! As always, very informative!

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Appreciate it! Glad it was helpful!

  • @thorcloud5172
    @thorcloud5172 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video thank you. Lots of information that i was going to research.

  • @scottseaman6247
    @scottseaman6247 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the info, just downloaded the Windy app

  • @torstenhansen4308
    @torstenhansen4308 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice to see you geek out👍. Great job.

  • @miked5563
    @miked5563 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, Master weather wisconsin pro. Actually, just thank you. Best feature seems to be wind and tide option. Thanks for sharing.

  • @giovannifiorentino8947
    @giovannifiorentino8947 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nick, great video about life importance matter for sailing. Please keep including the short one minute introduction to weather forecast and rout with clouds type identification on each sea passage. It makes a useful practice.

  • @kaylaandjimbryant8258
    @kaylaandjimbryant8258 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can recommend a couple of older books that are useful to cruisers that we have found helpful:
    "Mariner's Weather Handbook" and "Surviving the Storm", both from 1999 by the Dashews (Steve and Linda). The latter should be in every cruiser's library. Although we have some nicer tools now than weatherfax (still important), his advice and case examples are still good, imho.

  • @aleroxit
    @aleroxit 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Weather geeking! Nice!

  • @Pippinstravels
    @Pippinstravels 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a great video, I think ill need to watch it again or maybe three times.

  • @tvonzweck
    @tvonzweck 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best book I've ever found on weather - Modern Marine Weather by David Burch, recommended by those who have gone before me. It blows me away how much more information he provides and in such a way that if I read it some of it a few times, I comprehend. What a great video you did. Really enjoyed the interview. Q: what does it mean when a model "blows up" or "runs away"? I really appreciate you taking the time to do this. I have started the PW / Iridium Go purchase process no less than 3 times in the last few months and then pulled back. I'll check out your affiliate link.

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There are a lot of positive feedback processes in the real atmosphere...”nonlinearities” we call them. Too many and too detailed to get into here. But bottom line, in the real atmosphere, little things can have tremendous effects. So the geniuses who build these models try to capture these nonlinear processes, but they can be “too sensitive” in some circumstances and the model solutions get out of control with feedback loops sometimes. That’s what we mean by blowing up. Now this happens with all models all the time, and so there are “smoothing” algorithms applied at some grid scales and time scales in an effort to keep things reigned in....but that can go too far as well.... So the best models for any particular kind of initial conditions are best at “attenuating” these nonlinear processes realistically. It is a very difficult task for any model.

  • @jamelweatherspoon363
    @jamelweatherspoon363 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative. Would like to see you do a follow-up video focusing on voyage planning using the apps. Really like how professionally you are invested in this topic. Really showed what to expect from these apps. I want more! Saved in my favorites.

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Jamel. Will try to integrate into the vlogs this season

  • @RiverWoods111
    @RiverWoods111 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is very interesting! Since moving to the South where I am now in Tornado Alley and tropical storms, I have really taken an interest in the weather and what it is doing, so I know what to expect. I consider this to be my training! LMBO

  • @garethjones1111
    @garethjones1111 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for doing this episode I found it really helpful and informative.

  • @pbristow
    @pbristow 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video - thank you! Unless I missed it, I don't think you mention the free portion of PredictWind, which is all we use. The PWE and PWG models are available down to 8km resolution for free on both phone and web/laptop.

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Right! And really, that's all we need. We go Pro so we can get downloads over Iridium.

  • @lyndajenkins9145
    @lyndajenkins9145 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm fascinated with atmospheric science and would like to learn more about forecasting, without going back to graduate school. This video was very helpful. Do you have additional advice for developing a theoretical underpinning of forecasting?

  • @SailingPauHana
    @SailingPauHana 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great episode. Very informative. I wish all of my hobbies were not weather dependent (sailing, flying..etc.). I'm curious if you've seen forecasts that were way off....so off that it was dangerous?

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, sometimes. There have been several documented cases of "bomb cyclone" formation which all of the models miss. We were actually caught in one of those staying in at Lucaya many years before the sailing adventures. Mostly though, I see models overdoing it in some frontal situations and "overreacting."

  • @sailingkaimana9776
    @sailingkaimana9776 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic video thanks Nick! And yes, the Aussie accent is the best 😂😉

  • @denniscaptain8635
    @denniscaptain8635 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fantastic, you should post this in aviation blogs as well.
    Also for your pilot friends, what can you pull out of ForeFlight useable for sailing?

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Man, it is completely different. Everything in aviation is soooo much more structured, from nav to weather to planning.... If people had to operate boats like you do planes, no one would sail.

    • @clarencereddick2811
      @clarencereddick2811 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree on the structure comments by Nick! When I was just a VFR (visual flight rules) pilot it was more fun. When I became IFR and type rated in a jet I was safer but flying became less about flying and more about procedures and weather.
      As far as Foreflight, there would be (as Nick stated) more data to add to your data pile. But for what (I think) you would get out of it and for the effort likely a minimal benefit.
      So for me 2 thoughts here, if conditions are dicey enough to substantiate digging into foreflight one probably should make the “no go” decision and wait for a better window. On the other hand, if I was stuck in a really bad situation I would use any data available.
      Lastly, one thing I find very useful in aviation is Pireps. With weather forecast already being analyzed I find actual accounts of reported conditions along my route very helpful. In aviation We have such a shorter time of exposure. I’m not yet experienced or have a solid education in weather for sailing.
      I see that many Pireps my be used in the models supplied now. Could be a benefit to have current reports plotted on the map for consideration?
      Another thing aviation has available is routes used by other pilots recently. FLTPLAN make suggestions on routes base upon other flights made recently. Possibly this is a consideration already given inside PredictWind’s routing? Idk. Nick finds these things out!
      Great video and thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. I’m not ready but I can promise I’ll be watching all your video’s on weather and gaining more knowledge until I’m more confident!!

    • @clarencereddick2811
      @clarencereddick2811 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ForeFlight is an awesome app by the way. 👍

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ShipReps are a thing already, and I talked to a gent from NHC about a program to incorporate more of those from small vessels. No timeline, but that really will make a difference. Suggested routes....now there could be issues with that as bottom contours change a lot over time, especially in shallow areas. Not so much an issue in the skies....

    • @clarencereddick2811
      @clarencereddick2811 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That will be very useful to everyone but possibly more value to someone like me learning. If I’m lucky enough to experience doing a crossing it would reassuring to see actual reports substantiate the weather I’m pulling down.
      Actual observations are valuable and mostly very accurate but caution still needs to be taken. Example: I was descending into Dallas, was given by the tower while on final, the aircraft just front of me were reporting taking on ice from 2500’ to 2000’ melting and shedding off after descending through 2000’ and before landing. We took ice starting at 2000’ and all the way to the ground. Landed with ice.
      Lesson: information is good but still not guaranteed. This was maybe 5-10 minutes difference in time.

  • @Spar19row
    @Spar19row 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It took me years to figure out all the functionality in my GPS. I think the same will hold true for these weather applications.

  • @vanessaaaron1035
    @vanessaaaron1035 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I still think it would be great to collaborate on trying to find a format to do a primer on basic weather. I’m reminded of a time when my son (I think he was five at the time) asked me, “mom, what makes wind?” My inner weather nerd came out and answered, “unequal heating of the Earth’s surface.” My son did not ask me weather questions again for a couple of years. Is that a mom win or a mom fail?
    Great vid this week. I always enjoy the weather ones!

    • @charonstyxferryman
      @charonstyxferryman 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      There is an interesting book called
      *Modern Marine Weather: From Time-honored Traditional Knowledge to the Latest Technology*
      ISBN-10 : 0914025589
      ISBN-13 : 978-0914025580
      Editorial : Starpath Publications (30 marzo 2018)
      The book on amazon.es
      www.amazon.es/Modern-Marine-Weather-Time-honored-Traditional/dp/0914025589/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Modern+Marine+Weather

  • @bilsabo
    @bilsabo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a great video, Thank you for this!

  • @wetwaterfish
    @wetwaterfish 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi guys! Thanks for all your usefull content in your videos. I see the only main difference between the standard and professional package is the Ocean/Tidal Currents feature. In your opinion, is it worth paying double for that one feature? (a circumnavigation is in future plans)

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hey there! Other difference is the 1km resolution model data and more extensive gribs from ECMWF, including wave model. Both the ocean and 1km data is going to be very hard to access offshore due to file sizes. However, if you are going to be operating around strong currents like off E coast of USA, SE coast of Africa, N of Australia, that can be very useful with passage planning. The high res model data is also most useful around land masses where cell signal is going to be more realistic. So yes, you are paying a lot more, but there is also a lot more potentially useful data. If this is all new, go for Standard and upgrade. If you are into serious offshore prep already, I do think having all the Pro data is helpful.

  • @dariusseo480
    @dariusseo480 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really thoughtful discussion

  • @Peter_Herrman
    @Peter_Herrman 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great stuff Nick! I'm sure Megan appreciated a week off from the limelight. ;o) Next week, sewing machine comparison!

  • @karlmartinlind5070
    @karlmartinlind5070 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks, super interesting and useful - and the bromance, funny 😆

  • @johnwilliamson6624
    @johnwilliamson6624 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great informative video and thank you.

  • @Ron-zr6se
    @Ron-zr6se 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very useful information and once gain a great video.

  • @bsparks3672
    @bsparks3672 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    GREAT video! Based on your experience at what duration of passage does adding Iridium or other satellite service become very important for updating weather while underway? A forecast obtained at departure might be great for the first two days, but then accuracy would progressively decline.

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      We feel pretty naked without satellite connection for more than a couple days. But it depends on the time or year and location. In the trade winds, I’d probably feel ok with a three or four day passage without satellite, but in the substropics or mid latitudes, more than 72 hours without weather would bother me a little.

  • @svsavinggrace8331
    @svsavinggrace8331 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a fantastic video. Thank you so much.

  • @zetetimm
    @zetetimm 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video Nick!!! I love the background #missyousugar

  • @3ravenstug864
    @3ravenstug864 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    In a world of vlogs in which everyone seems to think the world wants to watch a sexy young woman in a bikini pull up an anchor (and they may be right) this is refreshingly educational, relevant and helpful. Very well done.

  • @rm-61366
    @rm-61366 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have predictwind and sailflow, both paid versions. I find Sailflow more accurate when using local/coastal short range forecasts for local races, mostly on Chesapeake Bay. Sailflow mid Atlantic 2km model is usually very good for short range.
    For route planning, I like SailgribWR, paid version. It's sort of an Android version of Expedition routing and navigation software on Windows, albeit much slimmed down.

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Really? I will look into the Sailflow. The WRF may have made some strides over the years. It was a hot mesoscale model for a while in the 90s when developed at NCAR. If Sailflow is running nested grids based on it, it must be quite computer intensive for them. Are they running it just in regional grids?

    • @rm-61366
      @rm-61366 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheOKellys can't comment on what sailflow is doing with the model, just my experience in using it. It's usually really good at local forecast, typically within a few hours of the race, for a race lasting a few hours or a day. This past season doing Wed evening races off of Annapolis, when we can get late afternoon showers or local wind anomolies it has been really good. Predictwind 1km forecast is great for overall trends but seems to smooth local disturbances out.
      Overall though, I check both PW and SF all the time and keep my eyes open on the race course. Neither seems perfect, gotta make judgements with both as inputs.

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I did review it for the vid, but not the paid version. The free version did not impress me. So thank you. I will look further into it.

  • @GrantGrove
    @GrantGrove 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I also found GRIB US or UGrib Very useful and helpful as a weather tool years ago.

  • @burlms
    @burlms 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super helpful, thank you!

  • @californiakayaker
    @californiakayaker 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My network (ham) has some old salts trying to deliver the best weather we can find. We read it as part of our "Chubasco" network, most of it is geared for the Baja area. But, we will do "fills" for someone in a different area. We are on at 7:30 am 14:30z right now , to change an hour,, soon. This is for those who cannot get weather from "cell" signals. We are on 7.192 mhz every morning. We have sailors in Washington, Oregon , and California. If your a ham we are set up to receive even the very weakest Side-band signals with our "relay" format.
    I think the future will be in the use of "weak signal" modes. I would be able to transmit to and receive boats From Hawaii east to the shores of California, and they would be able to receive my digital hf signals also. The mode with the most promise is JS8CALL or JS8 for short. The gear is really inexpensive, an HF radio, and a sound card. Many radios have them inside when you buy them, or you can add a Signalink. You could transmit an entire weather forecast fairly quickly and ALL boats could receive it regardless of what frequency in the JS8 40m band they were listening to, and regardless of what speed they were set to. I would receive the slower speeds best, but my signal is so strong I could transmit the weather to their screens at 50 words per minute ! I'm extra class amateur operator N6GRG

    • @californiakayaker
      @californiakayaker 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      One of the big wind events we have to deal with is th PGE safety shutdown forecast. We are going into one I believe tomorrow.. I actually think they missed one, I live right next to the Zogg fire. The wind was coming from the north, a few degrees to the east and I would have been in it.

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Then I bet you remember Don of Summer Passage. We relied on him often. Such a kind service he, and now you provide for Mexico sailors. I should have probably mentioned it, but we do carry a receiver on Clarity. We will listen in on the nets from time to time.

    • @californiakayaker
      @californiakayaker 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheOKellys Awesome, love that we are being listened to. Please consider the JS8CALL as I think it is the future for marine as signals are weak for boats with marginal antennas. Thanks.

  • @ttpersonalaccount
    @ttpersonalaccount 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for sharing all this

  • @jvodan
    @jvodan 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am big fan of predict-wind, I use the high precision model to plan sailing on my local harbor.
    Weather 4D recently drop Android support as it is not a 64 bit app and google play store has dropped 32bit app. The IOS app is still supported and under active development

  • @olavthyvold2288
    @olavthyvold2288 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very helpful. A bit of a geeky :) conversation with the guy from PredictWind but very interesting nonetheless. I think an aspect that the models/discussion seem to miss or omit is the effect of bottom topography, ocean current on sea state. I could be wrong on this but I never hear it discussed as a factor in the ocean sailing models. I would love to see a practical discussion of that because sea state more that wind is what makes a passage difficult for most sailors/crews/families. A passage can be great and then a few hours of horrible seas can completely frighten a crew. In many ways the likelihood of bad/short/steep waves is something that can be anticipated by understanding bottom topography. If its anticipated it become less of a "out of nowhere" event. Anyway, thanks for an informative video.

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Coastal contour has a much larger effect than bottom topography except with really big waves or really shallow water, at least on the "open" ocean. That being said, I am not familiar enough with the mechanics of ocean models to tell you at what scales these factors become important. What I can speak to is the effect of currents on wave heights. Wind opposing current can make for really big seas if both are really significant and the modeling of these things is still quite course. I expect significant improvements in the coming years as supercomputers become faster and cheaper.

    • @olavthyvold2288
      @olavthyvold2288 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheOKellys What I'm talking about is longer passages over routes where sudden changes in ocean depth would play a factor in sea state. Take for example a passage from Puerto Rico to the Bahamas. The Navidad bank or the the Silver Bank are places that I would avoid in rough weather. I never hear people talk about these considerations in voyage planning. Sea mounts and rapid changes in ocean depth occur all over the place. "Beware the 100 fathom line". :)

    • @olavthyvold2288
      @olavthyvold2288 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheOKellys To follow up - the lovely thing about cruising is going to new places. The scary thing about cruising is going to new places. In familiar places we know where waves or conditions are tough. How do we figure that out in new places. Learning to "read the bottom" is, I think, an important skill in anticipating or avoiding tough conditions. Just my 2 cents worth. Take care. :)

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh, for sure those are tricky spots. Seems a boat (not necessarily a cruising boat) is lost on Silver Bank every other year. We’ve had crazy waves over seamounts a couple of times. Once was Thetis Bank off Cape Lazaro in the Pacific. Those were unusually large seas to begin with, and the survey of Thetis is incomplete. I know a fair bit about gravity waves, and the bottom doesn’t effect waves until dept is about twice the wave height. However, what does happen around seamounts and other big shoals are strong and changing currents, which like I said earlier, can have a tremendous effect on waves. Yes, the new places and new faces are a big draw for us as well.

  • @tomd.3082
    @tomd.3082 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent episode! A little off topic but, I didn't know your boat was running for a political office in my area. The political sign on the side of the road said "Vote for Clarity".

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol. We all need Clarity!

  • @maus0292
    @maus0292 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this content. It’s great info that seems to be said but not explained on other channels.
    I wonder what you think of the app “MyRadar” they have added lots of features over the last year.
    Also - do these models take into account solar radiation or surface heating and water temps to forecast? Not i don’t have a background in this.
    Is there is good laymen’s book to understand forecasting specifically for sailing or in general. Or are you writing one

  • @manuelstarr3602
    @manuelstarr3602 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Well Nick I have to disagree, the type of craft you have does make a difference....buy a submarine...cheers folks

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lol. I stand corrected! Lol

    • @papachuck6007
      @papachuck6007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheOKellys given that a sub needs to come up for fresh air i would argue that weather is even more important than a vessel that is bobbing around on the surface. just sayin

  • @jerryprsha1389
    @jerryprsha1389 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd love to see more info on AIS and internet, etc.

  • @robthompson7174
    @robthompson7174 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid, Nick. Thanks for that. I'm down the learning path with my marine meteorology and finding one area where I'm a bit stuck, maybe you can help. Can you suggest a resource for learning more about the impact of upper atmosphere interaction with weather systems, specifically the 500mb level winds?
    I understand the 3 dimensionality of the nature of the air stream and the divergence/convergence with low/high pressure systems, but how do we use that to anticipate whether a system will intensify or be stable? I have Steve Dashews Weather Book that discusses it, but that's about it. I use earth null school for watching the air stream at 500mb and how the circum-polar lobes extend into the 30 latitudes, but I don't get the "so what?" yet. Do you know where else I can read on this topic? Much appreciated !

  • @Papaondas
    @Papaondas 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    fantastic video, u are a * Nick, calm and clear explanation of a very important subject , thanks for charing your knowledge

  • @SailingLifeonJupiter
    @SailingLifeonJupiter 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great info!

    • @TheOKellys
      @TheOKellys  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad it was helpful!