I'm grinding through it, up to the first mig-21 it ain't bad. Have a 2.0+ air kdr with every plane but the Ho-229, which I have a 3.0kdr (including player ground vehicles) since i use it in ground rn. All of the air up to top tier seems more than fine, and I have all of USA and almost all of Sweden (no JA37D or gripens). The me-163 (8.0 one) is absolutely insane, I have a 7.0 KDR in it and like 6 out of my 15ish deaths are me crashing like a dumbass.
well its a strike aircraft so in ground battles it would be useful and germany is actually very dominant with their leopards. still wouldnt buy this shit as you can get it for free as a squadron vehicle
@@Warthunderspecialist1 People said the same thing with the F-4 phantom back in 2019, yet Germany only have a TT one 2 years later. Gaijin could easily go back on their word if they feel like it.
@@shiftainmussharffit’s a VERY low chance, but the random boxes you get can give you a talisman for a random plane. In 2k hours, i think I’ve gotten 3 and they are all on very low br props
Same here, 4k hours and have gotten box w talismans for p63a5, bf109g14AS, f4u4, two of the SM79, do17, b17g, chaffee and pz4. But I'm at rank 6 all natuons so it doesn't matter
@@norske_ow3440 I have 6k hours and the last time I got a free talisman was in 2018 for the Leopard I. I even only got 1mil SL from the crate once. I never get anything. :D My friend has 200 hours, he barely has half the german TT researched and he constantly getting 1m SL or free talismans. He even got a blueprint for a vehicle and like 10 vehicles from SL crates and he bought only like 60 of them. While I buy 1000 SL crates each time they come around, I got 6 vehicles in the entire year. xD It´s rigged to keep new players hooked. They won´t give anything to you once you have spent certain amount of money.
Who wants this?? Flare hungry AAMs, heavily limited ground ordinance, absolutely NO ZOOM in the targeting camera, barely any ammo for the guns.. the Su-22 is not a good plane at all no matter how many flares yoz glue to it
@magicmissile7533 I was under the impression the M4 was a copy of the M3, just with added flares. But even then only the inner 2 pylons can carry the Kh-29T Still, the point stands, 2 Kh-29Ts, and 2 Kh-25Ls does not a good AG loadout make. And then you have the akward situation with the final 2 AG pylons. S-24? Fab-500? GSh-23L? R-60Ms? It's just annoying to deal with.
@@magicmissile7533 yes and you can use them as targeting pods for the other laser guided missiles. When all other missiles are fired, you can fire your "targeting camera" too.
Everybody is acting like this is a plane made for arb the su22m4 premium is there purely for German ground players to have a plane with guided munitions, loads of ground players dont want to play air, they just want to play ground and not have to drop dumb bombs or dumb rockets, this things whole reason is the kh29t in ground
The problem is, most reasonable people aren’t paying $70 to play the vehicle in ground. They’re buying top tier premium air packs to research the air tree as a whole. Of which, there’s better options
We already have the su-22. We need a top tier CAS, like Su-25sm3, Su-34, and F-15 comparable, not a copy-and-paste redundant cash grab. And before anybody says "Germany doesn't suffer" we haven't gotten a new jet worth out time since like the F-4 ICE came, if you consider that worth time getting.
You need to remember that alot of people still play sim and grind trees out that way as its extremely easy and profitable. Its how ive done 3 nations 2 without premiums. Planes like this in sim especially at the BR are extremely viable.
gameplay of japanese harrier could just be background footage to rambling about the seemingly impending thai subtree (both the harrier and f5efcu now) and just talk about what it could get
I had an excellent time with the techtree variant. Load up some S25s set a detonation distance to your personal liking and abuse the S-25 to get air kills. Absolutely hilarious.
The German Mig 19 is a straight upgrade in every aspect over the Russian Mig 19. It gives up the two R3S missile though, but they’re not good missiles to begin with.
You have few cool unique addidtions. 30mm g91. Mig19s being best 19. Cl13 being better sabres (f40 still best tho). There is also 23mla which WAS great prenerf now it's meh :/ I was outrating f16s in this because it kept 500-600 kph ias in a turn all the time. And that's it xD 3 good jets and 1 used to be but got nerfed
@@Creepus_Explodus If you don't mean unique, literally all gdr planes worth playing as they're the best examples of soviet fighters since german tt doesn't have worse planes of soviet tt (initial mig-15, mig-21f-13, mig-23mf) and some planes are better versions of soviet migs (lim-5, mig-29 and (subjectively) mig-19s).
The only time I truly enjoyed German top tier was when they added the MiG 29 to Germany.... (which was still 2 updates AFTER the Soviets got the MiG 29)
German players: Gaijin please we want something fun to play, something unique or something to compete with the top tier mega jets. Gaijin for the past 3 updates: Best we can do is the worst AMRAAM slinger in the game and 2 premium attackers
The R13 missiles are great for the mig21, it’s nice to have them for rear aspect tailing shots, since they have a generous boost to range and countermeasure resistance compared to R60M
Speaking of the AV-8S at the end, I just wish they made the AV-8S unique. It isn’t even an AV-8S at its current state. It’s literally just a copy-paste US premium AV-8A. Wrong missiles, wrong RWR, and basically anything else that made it unique.
You know one of the reasons why I like War Thunder is all the tech trees and they stay pretty true to the technology advancements of the era that you're playing in so I definitely feel like Germany should be a lot better on the prop side then the jet side just cuz that's where their technology was was in props era cuz good thing they lost the war and also one of the things in real life you lose the war that's the end of your tech for a while
thanks for making this vid dude i was rly considering getting this as a cas option for 12.0 grb lineup because i dont have any planes for germany and ik germany air sucks and we dont get anything good but germany is the nation i poured thousands of hours into grinding the tanks and switching to another nation is hard because i dont have the time to do that anymore good vid man thanks
One cool thing to do when playing the su17/22 in air rb is to carry 2 gun pods and 2 r60. Makes the grind quite a bit more fun and easy imo. But yeah, this plane is not worth 10 bucks
Finally, someone talks about how Germany suffers I was a German main recently I felt even worse to be a German main Basically, there are no honors to part ofthe German main currently very bad at CAS, without a really top-tier Jet, not even a gooooooooood premium jet Even the classic Leo 2 family has been copy-pasted in France even tho they dont need it Nerf on Leo 2 I mean, who would even want to grind Germany nowadays Pathetic as me, I bought this plane just to comfort myself as complete the collection of Ger. stuff
Avg wehraboo comment Rn germany has quite literally no option for top tier air, they will get the eurofighter and f18 with everyone else but german mains want them now
Tbh any thing past WW2 is not worth it for Germany I like the premium tornado it is really good for what it is for but anything near that br is just useless I mainly only use that tornado for sl grinding and it is great for that.
The MIG-21 lazur is also a great plane to learn boom&zoom if you wanna grind Germany anyways. Mainly because it will punish you if you don't. I used to be a turnfight andy with a hard time supressing my tendency to go and turnnfight everything in sight because of years and years of more dogfight focussed single- and multiplayer games and a general lack of patience for the whole "make a pass, if failed extend away, wnen far enough turn around and make another pass" playsytle, but the Lazur beat it into me. And at 11.0 it is really good at it, too. You get to clown on a lot of planes that have no way of keeping up with you if you use your speed properly.
How your gunna play the SU-22M4 as a fighter in ARB- I have the tech tree one, i carry 208 flares and the rest chaff, carry 6 R-60MKs, nothing else but a singular drop tank under the fuselage, when you spawn in climb high, especially if its a downtier, if its an uptier stay lower and look around for Mig-23MLs because R-24R
Germany may only get relevant again once they get the Eurofighter. Keep in mind that the West German air force in essence went from F86 to F104 to F4 Phantom -until 1980 only with Sidewinder B's (!) and from 1986 with AMRAAMs- to the EF2000. Without East Germany this entire top tier line up would be toast
I pre ordered it. I need a cas plane for GRB and this will be a fine grinder in ASB. And it's CAS ability is far better than the Tornado despite its AIM 9Ls.
i have to disagree. 3 days ago I spaded the su22m3 (Russian squadron vehicle) and I loved it, I loved it so much in fact I wanted to get talisman on it. I'm definitely going to buy this to grind through Germany
Calling the tornado the worst premium in the game hurt my soul to the core. it is an amazing bomb sled unless they nerfed it since the last time i played it a few months ago and you get style points since its one of the best looking planes. you can usuall get to the bases first and just bomb 2 bases fire off your 2 missles and go for ground targets since its cannons are very strong, albeit inconsistent on accuracy but if it does it i one tap people all the time with the cannon lol. its pretty solid if you suck at dog fighting. it does suck for cas though. no smart bombs and a terrible flight model makes it reall hard to dodge top tier aa and get the dumb bombs on target when flying fast and low.
I got this one for a couple of reasons. First I want to make clear that money isn't an issue for me, so the price tag didn't hurt me as much as some people. The first reason I got this is due to the lack of ground attack aircraft at Germany top tier with long range guided munitions and I didn't want to stock grind a SU-22 anytime soon. The second reason, I just really like the Fitter and am a bit of a collector of cool vehicles in game. I agree with Seek in that I wouldn't recommend it to anyone new to the German tree to grind tho.
First, using 4x500kg bombs in late 2024 when napalm exists and its especially true for Su22 airframe. Second, with this update Snail allowed mixing Kh29T and Kh25L AGMs, which actually gives Germany second best stand off capability after Mavericks on Phantoms. You can use TV seeker as targeting pod for laser ordnance.
Seek since your a big TH-camr an a referral code can’t you try to convince gaijin to give Germany a better premium in the next big update like the upcoming Christmas update🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Mig-21Bis, RN, is very nice to play. People in your BR are, usually, pretty dumb people. Really easy to get in their 6 and nail them with your 6 AAMs or the 23mm pew pew gun.
You can also carry 2 r 13ms with 4 r 60ms. R 13ms are rear aspect only and turn less, but have longer range, faster acceleration and slightly more flare resistance
I'm a German fan and yes it's painful, soul sucking and don't know why I do it but, yes the tornado is only good in AB, I found on average I get more than RB.
@ I checked before firebirds and I know that’s new to this update but Germany has been getting nothing for over a year cause the mig-29G was great until the F-15s and SU-27s came out with Fox-3 and Germany was left in the dust and still kinda is with its most recent vehicles being a tornado and another F-4
I might get the tornado premium next sale and grind the tree out as I do want the mig29g and since the f4f ice went down to 13.0 I might also get that as it is kinda worth crewing now plus imo it is kinda better then the av8b+ as its supersonic and gets 2 more sidewinders that may be a bit worse they still are 2 more
@ seek trust me I’ll manage, do you remember when the tornado ids mfg could face the f-16 and mig29 cause I do and I used to own it on my first account before it got banned, and I was able to manage the f-16’s and mig29’s and now that it can’t face f-14’s or any other fourth gens other then the mirage 2000 I can manage
I have (had) some fun with the Russian version because of the six R60M and the huge amount of flares. It's cool to get kills with an attack aircraft, It's not worth a cent of your money tho. Ass premium for sure
Just sit down and take the time to learn to play air rb, and in a short amount of time you'll be getting 1-2 to kills every game... much more reliable way of grinding rather than using strike aircraft to bomb (I got stuck in the same rut). I use my mig23 with the r24t in head ons... people are expecting a radar missile, but what they get is a big ass IR missile that's going to go straight for their afterburner when they try to chaff and dodge.
Legit question: why take the R-13Ms on the Mig-21 Bis? People say they got better range, although less pull but I remember back when I used them, I hardly noticed that much of a difference. They felt like Russian Aim-9Js, which have pretty shitty range just like the R-60Ms and are rear-aspect only. Am I missing something here?
used 4 fire bombs 2 per base to stock grind the tech tree one it its a bit faster then the normal bombs still did not get a base most games so most of the rp was braindead premium players eating a r60 in the headon lol
US: F-4S, RU: MiG-23ML, GB: F-4J, JP: F-4EJ Meanwhile Germany: One of the worst high tier planes and a barley functioning strike aircraft packaged up as a premium. How lovely. Go duck yourself Gaijin, for real. Just delete Germany already if you hate them so much.
I would take premium money printing bf190f or g or k instead of this crap anyday. Other nations have so many late wwII prem fighters... and ger is strugling even here xD Only viable prop option is do335... And there was view cool planes to be premium. Like 109G10/U2, 109H1, 109K8 with mk103, 109K14. It was even 109X with bmw radial. Or even jet powered 109TL. Also me309 (4 built). Or even spanish ha1109 (109g2 with hispano suiza-engine) and later ha1112 with merlin. Damn, even ta152c0 or ta152h0 would be good premiums -.-
I agree on the su 22. But the Tornado hate is so forced, I'd love to know why you think it's bad.. maybe you just don't know how to play the game, or you just hate supersonic bombers..
@@SeekerHead If you actually want to play Air, yes. If someone wants one-and-done CAS addition, 21bis makes little sense. And given there's no shortage of strike aircraft of premium and event variety, there must be quite a lot of Ground players in such position.
If that’s why you’d buy a premium that’s fine, but most people will buy a $70 premium to grind a tree with. Not as a single addition to bolster their tank line up as a standalone vehicle.
You are slow, because the automatic wing sweep is broken since they added the first Su-22M3 to the game. They just copy pasted the FM to all Su-22. You have to sweep your wings manually yourself. In dogfight, you will outturn F-14 and outrate even a Mirage if you unsweep your wings and keep around 650-750kmh (yes I won dogfights consistently). You can even dance with the F-5C. It´s even better in SB. Su-22M4 is a better plane than Mig-21BIS if you know what you are doing. Would I buy it though? Nope. Not gonna support overpriced premium + I already have two Su-22 spaded in the TT. Mig 23MLA with talisman is a better grinder anyway.
Su22M4 out turning F14 and out rating mirage is simply not factual. And neither is it better than mig21bis. All 3 of those planes do every single flight performance metric better than the Su22. I’m assuming “youve done it before”, but it’s important to keep in mind the skill level of players you’re beating. Any plane can beat any plane, given a skill difference in pilots. It’s important not to draw false conclusion about flight performance around that.
@@SeekerHead Statcard =/= how it actually plays. Seeing your video, you have not played it optimally at all. No offense (I have your decal. I have won a dogfight against 2 F-14A on Spain map with the Su 22M3. It was not even that hard.
really interesting game.... before update chine get jet from 2005 now russia from 2007 but where is ther euro fighter is from 2003 or a swiss f18 to be competitive with f4 ice is s ogood play in toptier ok is 13.0 but i played 5 maches and all un uptier vs su34 so gaijin pl no add more planes from 70-80 s !!!
Let me get this straight. You willingly chose a poorly manoeuvrable ground attack aircraft with R-60’s that thanks to gajin are simping for flairs to fly in air RB and complain about it performing badly? Oh boy try out grinding an entire air tree with these missiles. I wonder if then the "Soviet bias" whining will magically disappear once someone actually gets to experience the gameplay. Germany right now has about the best setup’s for ground RB with more than competitive vehicles. The only thing "lacking" in the tree is a good plane with Fox 3’s. That’s about it. The „gERmaNy iS suFfeRinG“ blabbing has to stop man.
your video content shits on the game so hard always about premiums and balencing how about making actually good videos like trepkas and bad karma making the community more bitter one video at a time
Sorry, the game is all wonderful and happy! We should be grateful gaijin gives us the chance to give them $80 in exchange for one of their highly developed and researched models!!!
@@bennyheppner4589 If ther incompatence and got ther heads out of their asses we wouldnt have to dump on War Blunder.. But nope ther fuck ups are undenaiable
I swear Gaijin doesn't actually want you to spend money on their game
Idk, they new premium amraams would sell 🫠
who is even playing germany in its current state😭
For some reason only trash players
people who play props
TBH i have shitton of fun with MiG-29G in ASB
I'm grinding through it, up to the first mig-21 it ain't bad. Have a 2.0+ air kdr with every plane but the Ho-229, which I have a 3.0kdr (including player ground vehicles) since i use it in ground rn. All of the air up to top tier seems more than fine, and I have all of USA and almost all of Sweden (no JA37D or gripens). The me-163 (8.0 one) is absolutely insane, I have a 7.0 KDR in it and like 6 out of my 15ish deaths are me crashing like a dumbass.
well its a strike aircraft so in ground battles it would be useful and germany is actually very dominant with their leopards. still wouldnt buy this shit as you can get it for free as a squadron vehicle
Germany needed a premium fighter, not another strike craft
Gaijin wants to sell German aviation to German tank mains somehow.
Germany doesnt need a premium, it needs a decent high tier fighter. only going up to 13.0 is the worst since you get uptiered to 13.7 anyway
Not even Premium, germany need Strikers but not prem ones, also fighters
@@guardsmanhansvonkrieg4862i think If they add swiss germany can be saved
@@Panocek yeah but we don't need these shit attacker at all
F4F is the best at 10.7 and tornado is the only one worth using at toptier
This is exactly why im grinding it all by hand, no premiums. By the time i get to top tier itll be better (no it wont)
It's meant to get F18 in Dec and euro fighter in the first couple months of 2025
@@Warthunderspecialist1f18 is not coming in December kid
@@Modelstl063why not kid
@@Warthunderspecialist1 People said the same thing with the F-4 phantom back in 2019, yet Germany only have a TT one 2 years later. Gaijin could easily go back on their word if they feel like it.
@@Warthunderspecialist1 Why would germany have a Hornet
I got a talisman out of a box for my german mig 29 thank the gaijin gods
How ?
@@shiftainmussharffit’s a VERY low chance, but the random boxes you get can give you a talisman for a random plane. In 2k hours, i think I’ve gotten 3 and they are all on very low br props
Same here, 4k hours and have gotten box w talismans for p63a5, bf109g14AS, f4u4, two of the SM79, do17, b17g, chaffee and pz4. But I'm at rank 6 all natuons so it doesn't matter
@@norske_ow3440 I have 6k hours and the last time I got a free talisman was in 2018 for the Leopard I. I even only got 1mil SL from the crate once. I never get anything. :D
My friend has 200 hours, he barely has half the german TT researched and he constantly getting 1m SL or free talismans. He even got a blueprint for a vehicle and like 10 vehicles from SL crates and he bought only like 60 of them. While I buy 1000 SL crates each time they come around, I got 6 vehicles in the entire year. xD
It´s rigged to keep new players hooked. They won´t give anything to you once you have spent certain amount of money.
@@norske_ow3440at my 300 hours I got one for the last US P-47, the one with the worst performance
Germany suffers
In-game or irl? Bro you have to be precise 😂🥲
@@-Atlas98 bro out of the loop
Germany suffers is a myth in GRB in ARB sure
@@-Atlas98 yes
PESA radar got put on a helicopter that can't even use it, love this game, peak, cinema even.
Bro I can lock ships in Test Drive with it all day long
Who wants this?? Flare hungry AAMs, heavily limited ground ordinance, absolutely NO ZOOM in the targeting camera, barely any ammo for the guns.. the Su-22 is not a good plane at all no matter how many flares yoz glue to it
The TV missiles actually do have good cameras tho
@magicmissile7533 I was under the impression the M4 was a copy of the M3, just with added flares. But even then only the inner 2 pylons can carry the Kh-29T
Still, the point stands, 2 Kh-29Ts, and 2 Kh-25Ls does not a good AG loadout make. And then you have the akward situation with the final 2 AG pylons. S-24? Fab-500? GSh-23L? R-60Ms? It's just annoying to deal with.
@@magicmissile7533 yes and you can use them as targeting pods for the other laser guided missiles. When all other missiles are fired, you can fire your "targeting camera" too.
@@Alextz_Gr doing all of that while Russia has the Su-25sm3, Su-34, America the F-15? no thanks
Welcome to the avg top tier soviet cas experience, enjoy your stay
Everybody is acting like this is a plane made for arb the su22m4 premium is there purely for German ground players to have a plane with guided munitions, loads of ground players dont want to play air, they just want to play ground and not have to drop dumb bombs or dumb rockets, this things whole reason is the kh29t in ground
The problem is, most reasonable people aren’t paying $70 to play the vehicle in ground. They’re buying top tier premium air packs to research the air tree as a whole. Of which, there’s better options
We already have the su-22. We need a top tier CAS, like Su-25sm3, Su-34, and F-15 comparable, not a copy-and-paste redundant cash grab. And before anybody says "Germany doesn't suffer" we haven't gotten a new jet worth out time since like the F-4 ICE came, if you consider that worth time getting.
You need to remember that alot of people still play sim and grind trees out that way as its extremely easy and profitable. Its how ive done 3 nations 2 without premiums. Planes like this in sim especially at the BR are extremely viable.
4:56 “not even, these rockets slow at” 😂
gameplay of japanese harrier could just be background footage to rambling about the seemingly impending thai subtree (both the harrier and f5efcu now) and just talk about what it could get
I want the most upgraded F4E so I am grinding the German tree. I know that in real life the f15 is better but I love the lines of the F4E.
I had an excellent time with the techtree variant. Load up some S25s set a detonation distance to your personal liking and abuse the S-25 to get air kills. Absolutely hilarious.
Holy shit that’s a kick ass decal my guy one of the best
straightforward and on point, I like that. Thanks for reviewing the new premiums
I stopped playing Germany air after all the ww2 jets because after that your Basically playing diet USA and Soviet jets.
CL-13B is the only post-war German jet worth playing imo, it's an absolute menace when facing sub-sonics.
The German Mig 19 is a straight upgrade in every aspect over the Russian Mig 19. It gives up the two R3S missile though, but they’re not good missiles to begin with.
Lim-5P was a fun time hunting A-4's
You have few cool unique addidtions. 30mm g91. Mig19s being best 19. Cl13 being better sabres (f40 still best tho). There is also 23mla which WAS great prenerf now it's meh :/ I was outrating f16s in this because it kept 500-600 kph ias in a turn all the time. And that's it xD 3 good jets and 1 used to be but got nerfed
@@Creepus_Explodus If you don't mean unique, literally all gdr planes worth playing as they're the best examples of soviet fighters since german tt doesn't have worse planes of soviet tt (initial mig-15, mig-21f-13, mig-23mf) and some planes are better versions of soviet migs (lim-5, mig-29 and (subjectively) mig-19s).
The only time I truly enjoyed German top tier was when they added the MiG 29 to Germany.... (which was still 2 updates AFTER the Soviets got the MiG 29)
German players: Gaijin please we want something fun to play, something unique or something to compete with the top tier mega jets.
Gaijin for the past 3 updates: Best we can do is the worst AMRAAM slinger in the game and 2 premium attackers
The R13 missiles are great for the mig21, it’s nice to have them for rear aspect tailing shots, since they have a generous boost to range and countermeasure resistance compared to R60M
I really like that they have started adding premiums that are exactly the same as TT
Speaking of the AV-8S at the end, I just wish they made the AV-8S unique. It isn’t even an AV-8S at its current state. It’s literally just a copy-paste US premium AV-8A. Wrong missiles, wrong RWR, and basically anything else that made it unique.
German ground tree - 😳🤌🏼😤✅️
German Air tree - 😭💀
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@Mr.Gustavo07 this was before they announced the Eurofighter or added it
@@Wombat343 yeah i know sometines it really dont make sense what i write about
@@Wombat343 btw thank you anyway Mr.Trump
I remember when years ago, this was one of the most competitive aircraft
You know one of the reasons why I like War Thunder is all the tech trees and they stay pretty true to the technology advancements of the era that you're playing in so I definitely feel like Germany should be a lot better on the prop side then the jet side just cuz that's where their technology was was in props era cuz good thing they lost the war and also one of the things in real life you lose the war that's the end of your tech for a while
thanks for making this vid dude i was rly considering getting this as a cas option for 12.0 grb lineup because i dont have any planes for germany and ik germany air sucks and we dont get anything good but germany is the nation i poured thousands of hours into grinding the tanks and switching to another nation is hard because i dont have the time to do that anymore good vid man thanks
They need to add the f18 to Germany next.
Lazur is also decent with 2 S-24 as CAS. It's almost always guaranteed kill.
grinding germany for the Eurofighter when it drops.
I've got 1,800 hours in the game, tier V-VII in half the air+ground techtrees, I'm savouring the mid tiers.
It's even funnier the 4th time
The fact that Germany has only 1 11.0 vehicle makes it worse for CAS
One cool thing to do when playing the su17/22 in air rb is to carry 2 gun pods and 2 r60. Makes the grind quite a bit more fun and easy imo. But yeah, this plane is not worth 10 bucks
I actually enjoy using the premium tornado (it just needs more ground ordinance)
The leopard nearf 😭😭😭
Yes truth the Lazur is the best Grinder for Germany. 2 Nalpam Bombs for an Base and 4x ALL Aspect Missels =D
Someday Germany will get some good top tier options… just wait next patch they’re getting a $80 F-4F ICE Premium
Finally, someone talks about how Germany suffers
I was a German main
recently I felt even worse to be a German main
Basically, there are no honors to part ofthe German main currently
very bad at CAS, without a really top-tier Jet, not even a gooooooooood premium jet
Even the classic Leo 2 family has been copy-pasted in France even tho they dont need it
Nerf on Leo 2
I mean, who would even want to grind Germany nowadays
Pathetic as me, I bought this plane just to comfort myself as complete the collection of Ger. stuff
Avg wehraboo comment
Rn germany has quite literally no option for top tier air, they will get the eurofighter and f18 with everyone else but german mains want them now
@guvyygvuhh298 dont bullshit people about better in later or future. Now is Now, they could just give sub tree of F16, France doesnt even need a F16
Tbh any thing past WW2 is not worth it for Germany I like the premium tornado it is really good for what it is for but anything near that br is just useless I mainly only use that tornado for sl grinding and it is great for that.
the difference is that the prem version has a stronger engine thats not as powerful as the Hungarian or squadron's engine but still a slight upgrade
Germen Coastal suffers so bad.. At least you dont have to go through hell as a Newb just to get to 4.7 Like we had to do. My R1301.7 got me to 5.0
The MIG-21 lazur is also a great plane to learn boom&zoom if you wanna grind Germany anyways. Mainly because it will punish you if you don't. I used to be a turnfight andy with a hard time supressing my tendency to go and turnnfight everything in sight because of years and years of more dogfight focussed single- and multiplayer games and a general lack of patience for the whole "make a pass, if failed extend away, wnen far enough turn around and make another pass" playsytle, but the Lazur beat it into me. And at 11.0 it is really good at it, too. You get to clown on a lot of planes that have no way of keeping up with you if you use your speed properly.
top tier dont teach anything its all braindead now
How your gunna play the SU-22M4 as a fighter in ARB- I have the tech tree one, i carry 208 flares and the rest chaff, carry 6 R-60MKs, nothing else but a singular drop tank under the fuselage, when you spawn in climb high, especially if its a downtier, if its an uptier stay lower and look around for Mig-23MLs because R-24R
Germany may only get relevant again once they get the Eurofighter.
Keep in mind that the West German air force in essence went from F86 to F104 to F4 Phantom -until 1980 only with Sidewinder B's (!) and from 1986 with AMRAAMs- to the EF2000. Without East Germany this entire top tier line up would be toast
And even then it'll be worse than Britain's for a Eurofighter
@@honeybadgerbomb4469probably not
I pre ordered it. I need a cas plane for GRB and this will be a fine grinder in ASB. And it's CAS ability is far better than the Tornado despite its AIM 9Ls.
At least it gets Kh-T’s for cas and lots of cm’s
2:29 Low level premium moment
i have to disagree. 3 days ago I spaded the su22m3 (Russian squadron vehicle) and I loved it, I loved it so much in fact I wanted to get talisman on it. I'm definitely going to buy this to grind through Germany
Calling the tornado the worst premium in the game hurt my soul to the core. it is an amazing bomb sled unless they nerfed it since the last time i played it a few months ago and you get style points since its one of the best looking planes. you can usuall get to the bases first and just bomb 2 bases fire off your 2 missles and go for ground targets since its cannons are very strong, albeit inconsistent on accuracy but if it does it i one tap people all the time with the cannon lol. its pretty solid if you suck at dog fighting. it does suck for cas though. no smart bombs and a terrible flight model makes it reall hard to dodge top tier aa and get the dumb bombs on target when flying fast and low.
I got this one for a couple of reasons. First I want to make clear that money isn't an issue for me, so the price tag didn't hurt me as much as some people. The first reason I got this is due to the lack of ground attack aircraft at Germany top tier with long range guided munitions and I didn't want to stock grind a SU-22 anytime soon. The second reason, I just really like the Fitter and am a bit of a collector of cool vehicles in game.
I agree with Seek in that I wouldn't recommend it to anyone new to the German tree to grind tho.
Bro buys wt packs to swag his money
@@meezo9980 I spend my money on things I want.
First, using 4x500kg bombs in late 2024 when napalm exists and its especially true for Su22 airframe. Second, with this update Snail allowed mixing Kh29T and Kh25L AGMs, which actually gives Germany second best stand off capability after Mavericks on Phantoms. You can use TV seeker as targeting pod for laser ordnance.
Russian game, Germany is treated badly…. Coincidence? 🤔 😂
Russia also sucks some of the worst top tier planes and worst arh missile too
Nope totally not 🤗
the Tiger 2H is the same battle rating as the is2 which kinda disproves this lol
@@coenjansen674 German air at top tier is the only bad tier, the rest is pretty handheld ngl
Acting like russia has an amazing air techtree💀
Still better than any top br italian premium.
And its such a cool ground strike aircraft too. Why gaijoongles
I’m German 🇩🇪 btw
Seek since your a big TH-camr an a referral code can’t you try to convince gaijin to give Germany a better premium in the next big update like the upcoming Christmas update🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I started grinding china because of how bad German top tier air is. At least Germany got the LJdam with the update.
you should make a review of the su-39 or the mig-23ml
Mig-21Bis, RN, is very nice to play. People in your BR are, usually, pretty dumb people. Really easy to get in their 6 and nail them with your 6 AAMs or the 23mm pew pew gun.
Problem is that R60Ms are insanely flare hungry and have abysmal range, only really better than like... SRAAM or AIM-7C
@@meezo9980 well, yeah. That's why you have 6 XD
You can also carry 2 r 13ms with 4 r 60ms. R 13ms are rear aspect only and turn less, but have longer range, faster acceleration and slightly more flare resistance
I'm a German fan and yes it's painful, soul sucking and don't know why I do it but, yes the tornado is only good in AB, I found on average I get more than RB.
Germany last i checked is the only nation without fox-3
They have F4F ICE with AMRAAM
@ I checked before firebirds and I know that’s new to this update but Germany has been getting nothing for over a year cause the mig-29G was great until the F-15s and SU-27s came out with Fox-3 and Germany was left in the dust and still kinda is with its most recent vehicles being a tornado and another F-4
It’s just like buying Japanese F-4 ADTW but better loadout
at this point i question why the majority who play WT. play it.
I might get the tornado premium next sale and grind the tree out as I do want the mig29g and since the f4f ice went down to 13.0 I might also get that as it is kinda worth crewing now plus imo it is kinda better then the av8b+ as its supersonic and gets 2 more sidewinders that may be a bit worse they still are 2 more
NOT the tornado please 😭😭
@ seek trust me I’ll manage, do you remember when the tornado ids mfg could face the f-16 and mig29 cause I do and I used to own it on my first account before it got banned, and I was able to manage the f-16’s and mig29’s and now that it can’t face f-14’s or any other fourth gens other then the mirage 2000 I can manage
Dont buy this plane people.
Me who loves the premium tornado cause British main, 😭
I have (had) some fun with the Russian version because of the six R60M and the huge amount of flares. It's cool to get kills with an attack aircraft, It's not worth a cent of your money tho. Ass premium for sure
Just sit down and take the time to learn to play air rb, and in a short amount of time you'll be getting 1-2 to kills every game...
much more reliable way of grinding rather than using strike aircraft to bomb (I got stuck in the same rut).
I use my mig23 with the r24t in head ons... people are expecting a radar missile, but what they get is a big ass IR missile that's going to go straight for their afterburner when they try to chaff and dodge.
Its a good cas option
Legit question: why take the R-13Ms on the Mig-21 Bis? People say they got better range, although less pull but I remember back when I used them, I hardly noticed that much of a difference. They felt like Russian Aim-9Js, which have pretty shitty range just like the R-60Ms and are rear-aspect only. Am I missing something here?
I tested both on the mig 21 bis and I found way more kills with the R-13M1
R13s have a good bit more range yeah. Also not quite as flare hungry
I'll have to try them again, then. Sometimes it's kinda hard to accurately measure things with the chaos of high-tier furballs unfolding...
I really wish there was a reason to play the SU-22s, they are such cool looking planes but they just suck in game
I bought it out of desperation to grind German jets. It’s so bad.
I win several dogfight against f-5 and mig 21
You mean GERMAINS ?
One of the laziest cash grabs yet...
I always hate playing Germany, these teams food so quickly.
Why tf do only the Premiums get interesting camos ffs
I know this footage isn't handpicked but tbh, it's refreshing to see the CC-tor that makes obvious mistakes that even I can recognize : )
😭😭😭
For me germany was tge fadtest way to get the mig21 and 23
these r60mks loves to eat flares huh
if only spading the su22m4 rn isnt aids
used 4 fire bombs 2 per base to stock grind the tech tree one it its a bit faster then the normal bombs still did not get a base most games so most of the rp was braindead premium players eating a r60 in the headon lol
People recommending the German Prem G.91 belong banned from speaking out their opinion
US: F-4S, RU: MiG-23ML, GB: F-4J, JP: F-4EJ
Meanwhile Germany: One of the worst high tier planes and a barley functioning strike aircraft packaged up as a premium. How lovely.
Go duck yourself Gaijin, for real. Just delete Germany already if you hate them so much.
I would take premium money printing bf190f or g or k instead of this crap anyday. Other nations have so many late wwII prem fighters... and ger is strugling even here xD Only viable prop option is do335... And there was view cool planes to be premium. Like 109G10/U2, 109H1, 109K8 with mk103, 109K14. It was even 109X with bmw radial. Or even jet powered 109TL. Also me309 (4 built). Or even spanish ha1109 (109g2 with hispano suiza-engine) and later ha1112 with merlin. Damn, even ta152c0 or ta152h0 would be good premiums -.-
Wrong! This is an excelent plane for GRB.
You don’t buy top tier premiums to fill a ground rb line up, you pay $70 to research a tree with
@@SeekerHead I did, and i'm satisfied.
@@ricardogunnz2you’re right, that was 70$ objectively well spent, objectively.
Good
I agree on the su 22. But the Tornado hate is so forced, I'd love to know why you think it's bad.. maybe you just don't know how to play the game, or you just hate supersonic bombers..
sure its garbage in air rb but its actually pretty good in ground rb
you wouldnt wanna pay $70 for a ground rb plane that already is available for free though id think
@@SeekerHead 70eur/usd is low price compared to grinding entire tree and you just want something to revengebomb people with at top tier in Ground.
Grind the entire tree with the 21bis, it doesn’t suck
@@SeekerHead If you actually want to play Air, yes. If someone wants one-and-done CAS addition, 21bis makes little sense. And given there's no shortage of strike aircraft of premium and event variety, there must be quite a lot of Ground players in such position.
If that’s why you’d buy a premium that’s fine, but most people will buy a $70 premium to grind a tree with. Not as a single addition to bolster their tank line up as a standalone vehicle.
You are slow, because the automatic wing sweep is broken since they added the first Su-22M3 to the game. They just copy pasted the FM to all Su-22.
You have to sweep your wings manually yourself.
In dogfight, you will outturn F-14 and outrate even a Mirage if you unsweep your wings and keep around 650-750kmh (yes I won dogfights consistently). You can even dance with the F-5C.
It´s even better in SB.
Su-22M4 is a better plane than Mig-21BIS if you know what you are doing.
Would I buy it though? Nope. Not gonna support overpriced premium + I already have two Su-22 spaded in the TT.
Mig 23MLA with talisman is a better grinder anyway.
Su22M4 out turning F14 and out rating mirage is simply not factual. And neither is it better than mig21bis. All 3 of those planes do every single flight performance metric better than the Su22.
I’m assuming “youve done it before”, but it’s important to keep in mind the skill level of players you’re beating. Any plane can beat any plane, given a skill difference in pilots. It’s important not to draw false conclusion about flight performance around that.
@@SeekerHead Statcard =/= how it actually plays. Seeing your video, you have not played it optimally at all. No offense (I have your decal. I have won a dogfight against 2 F-14A on Spain map with the Su 22M3. It was not even that hard.
im very aware of the stat card situation but ur simply wrong. we can duel if u want. drop ur in game anme ill show u
@@SeekerHead I mostly play SB. You ok with SB? Same nickname - bananomet.
No, I do RB, just like 99% of my videos. Why would we be talking about simulator battles on an RB video??
JF17 a joke to you Seek?
What does the JF17 have to do with anything
really interesting game.... before update chine get jet from 2005 now russia from 2007 but where is ther euro fighter is from 2003 or a swiss f18 to be competitive with f4 ice is s ogood play in toptier ok is 13.0 but i played 5 maches and all un uptier vs su34 so gaijin pl no add more planes from 70-80 s !!!
Let me get this straight. You willingly chose a poorly manoeuvrable ground attack aircraft with R-60’s that thanks to gajin are simping for flairs to fly in air RB and complain about it performing badly? Oh boy try out grinding an entire air tree with these missiles. I wonder if then the "Soviet bias" whining will magically disappear once someone actually gets to experience the gameplay. Germany right now has about the best setup’s for ground RB with more than competitive vehicles. The only thing "lacking" in the tree is a good plane with Fox 3’s. That’s about it. The „gERmaNy iS suFfeRinG“ blabbing has to stop man.
Lol yet another trash for Germany.
you want germany? play russia instead
hello, first comment
nooooo
your video content shits on the game so hard always about premiums and balencing how about making actually good videos like trepkas and bad karma making the community more bitter one video at a time
Sorry, the game is all wonderful and happy! We should be grateful gaijin gives us the chance to give them $80 in exchange for one of their highly developed and researched models!!!
@@SeekerHead I love the sarcasum!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@bennyheppner4589 If ther incompatence and got ther heads out of their asses we wouldnt have to dump on War Blunder.. But nope ther fuck ups are undenaiable
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