Since I’m getting repeat comments on the matter: Yes I tried “kill stealing” at 1:30. My stance on kill stealing at top-tier is as follows: Kill stealing is just a part of top-tier. That is the nature of point and click missile combat. It happens to me, it happens to you, and we know all too well 90% of our teammates would’ve done the same thing if they were me. I’m not going to miss out on neuron activation from the funny sound after getting a kill because I’m worried about being the “honorable” teammate when the overwhelming majority aren’t anymore anyway. Aside from that, in this very clip you can see the target shoot a missile while he’s on fire, allegedly “dead“ if somebody can still shoot missiles at your teammates, they’re still a threat to the team. In non-missile combat kill stealing is much more frustrating, and I refrain from doing it. The kills take more effort, skill, work, time, etc. and the threat of a severely damaged enemy to your team is much lower when they don’t have 30G all aspect missiles. Robbing someone the satisfaction of a kill that they put way more work into after a dogfight than they do at top-tier when the target isn’t even a threat is much more understandable to me. But in top tier, everybody steals, the targets are still threats until they’re dead, and less goes into actually getting the kills - since the only “skill” that goes into getting the kills is determining whether or not they are paying attention to you.
It was on sale for 35 bucks a couple weeks ago. And I did not even bother thinking about it and bought it. Grinded the Flanker, Fulcrums and Eagle with the remaining premium time in 14 days. One of the best purchase I've made in 10 years of playing the game.
I have MLA version in the German tree since the start of December. You can’t get anything done as you will always face 18 enemies all lobbing irccm missiles at you.
Bought this in the most recent Christmas sale, and it's been easily the best purchase I've made as far as premiums go. I started from pretty much nothing in the soviet tech tree to having the su27 in two weeks, and I definitely could've gotten it sooner if I had more time to grind. I've hovered around a 2kd in this thing, and I'm an average to maybe slightly above average pilot. Can't recommend enough to those who have experience in top tier.
I bought it on sale recently too. I agree completely. This thing is insanely good. I don’t even struggle at 12.3. The R24Rs are simply incredible. Practically guaranteed kills with those things.
Indeed. I got it and 341 games later I got the Su-27. I was at rank 3 starting research into Rank 4 when I got it lol. Took about 2 weeks. Depending on how much was played each day.
i got free talisman on the older brother mig-23m a long time ago when ussr basically has the worst toptier even against minor nations. decided to use it for flanker grind because if im going to die early every game i might as well fly out the plane that i used to love despite all its shit characteristic. unlocked Su-27 in 3 days of normal people gaming session with mostly 1 kill games. yeah i guess the flogger family are just awesome like that
as someone who's flown the MiG-23M for pvp since it got added, the MiG-23ML and even the 23M are honestly really decent. you never ever see it happen in top tier air rb, especially with how your average player in the ML is, but the Flogger airframe if flown properly with wings out and taking proper lines can rinse the hell out of things like Viggens, F-5E/Cs, J35Ds in a 1v1 and absolutely distroys similar airframes like the Phantom. in some cases i would even go so far as to say it could face up against a Mirage 2K 1v1 if you made absolutely no mistakes
When the 14A came out I started to preset the sweep all the way out. So with the press of a button I can pull harder than tomcats and out maneuver them for a few passes. You have to know the speed though otherwise you’ll force a wing rip instead of an overshoot lmao
@@SteelxWolfI also do that, I wish there was a way to start a match with 0% preset without needing to do it manually. It is amazing in a dogfight but the need to get your wings out before you start fighting means that in fights where you aren't the first to engage you're screwed.
@@SteelxWolf funny enough, if you mirror this IN the tomcat yourself, you either rip your wings up or you get nasty, NASTY tight turns and devilish results in a dogfight, especially if you go balls to the wall and put flaps out- as the tomcat can leave takeoff flaps out almost up to 850kph IAS, but those obv drain that speed very fast personally i prefer to stay in manual the whole time, but i dont play air RB regularly anymore and mainly just go around doing small scale or 1v1 combat in custom battles as i can find it
I recently got the MiG-23MLA and imo it's barely playable. Not because it's a bad plane, but simply because 12.3 exists. Both the planes and the pilots just make your life hell in the 23, since everyone clumps together in the center of the map into one big furball that you can't even get close to without having several IRCCM missiles launched at you. The few times (few as in like 1 in every 10 games) I've gotten 12.0 it did surprisingly well. Honestly looking forward to playing it again once 11.3 is cleansed of AIM9Ms and R73s.
MiG-23ML owner here, used it to finish the grind that the Su-25K couldn't. Ended up working pretty well. Second best MiG-23 behind the MLD. I'm pretty alert with my situational awareness, but im not gonna lie, I've caught a lot of R-24R's and T's as I've been grinding the Chinese lines, its the only thing I go hard after if I see it.
Fun fact at close ranges like 5km or about 8km the r24 is on par with r27er the booster of the r24R is 50000kn and 27er is 53000kn same burn time so you really just get less turning 27er for whole 1.0 br
where have you been in my 2k hours of War Thunder? i had no idea that some aircraft couldn't detect your radar if it was in a certain band until the algorithm showed me in this vid. You definitely deserve my sub and like; this helped me out when I thought I already knew everything about top tier ARB
Got my first 8k game with this thing, used Ts at the start then Rs when the enemy team dwindled, it's surprisingly balanced and fun to fly and fight against.. Unlike some.
I'm actually surprised how well the radar does at low altitude, I've been slammed by R24s at near tree top level and they just stick on me rather than dropping to the dirt
He's using a combination of radar and IR tracking system along the video so it's not just radar alone also there're different R24s. There's R24R which is radar guided and still hits the ground if you're close to it and R24T which is IR guided so you can fly low all you want but it won't save you but flares can help with that one.
@@nikelon8227 I meant R24R's as I was talking about radar performance, and I meant in general with my experience fighting MiG-23ML's. Yeah Seek is using a combo and it works well, but just straight radar and R24R I've been killed a handful of times at treetop when it should lost to ground clutter.
Not sure if it still functions this way in WT specifically, but the SPO-10 RWR on this aircraft is technically 8 directional, a lock to the 12,3,6 or 9 o'clock should be illuminating the two corresponding sectors, e.g a 12 o'clock lock shoud be illumiating both front sectors of the RWR, from the 3 it should illuminate both right sectors etc. i recall it working this way before the RWR rework recently but i wouldn't be surprised if it was screwed up in one of the recent updates. Regardless, it's still subpar for maintaining situational awareness and should only be used to roughly locate potential threats, while the good old mk1 eyeball is better for launch detection.
something actually good about what ML and the MLA teaches you with the bad RWR is awareness, I had so much fun playing the MLA while grinding the whole german tech tree
Great vid as usual. One thing I didn't hear mentioned is that the missiles are just so much better than NATO counterparts at equal BR. Having ground the Swedish and Japanese tech trees, the number of times I've died to head-on R60s at point blank where I wouldn't have been able get an equal shot off with AIM-9Ls/RB-74s is the most frustrating part of fighting against MiGs. That and how well the radar works at treetop level, no chance I can get as reliable of a lock in the F-16AJ or Viggens.
Yea the 9L has like a 1.8 second prox arming time now. Even before the nerf you definitely couldn't do with it what the R-60 can. R-60 arms and pulls basically immediately after firing. I've been on the receiving and delivering end for Japan and the Soviets.
the drawback of the r-60m now is that they actually chase flares if they see flares unlike aim-9l that sometimes just go sike and go back to their target
I bought the mig 23 ML when it was released and also got one for my friend. We were both able to get top tier Russia with it and it was actually a pretty fun grind compared to most. We recently unlocked the gripen for Sweden as well, that tree was torture compared to using the 23 ML for Russia.
Got the ML originally to grid the russian air tech tree, got it done, each single time you die will teach you to eventually get that death as a kill. Now I use this thing as a SL farmer due to the R24R being wtf levels of radar guided missiles, and R60M doing their job relatively fine, even if they aren't some top dog missile like a R73.
I was just watching this while eating not expecting to learn anything, simply listening to you yap (that's a compliment), when you dropped the absolute knowledge bomb of the J band radar. I think I noticed it when they first implemented the RWR changes but I completely forgot about it.
Best thing about m23 is that you face f4s premiums that are flying tanks. Fly low for the first sparrow and it is literally a free kill with no all aspect missiles 😁 you outturn and vastly outspeed them!
My only gripe is the RWR, since in Sim they realistically modelled that some American plane's radars don't set off your RWR at all, cannot tell you how many times I've been one shot by AIM-7Fs without any warning, literal horror game jumpscare
The one thing that makes the 23ML real good (in my eyes at least) is the R24T. Thing has good range and only 2 seconds where you get ANY warning that it is coming. After that, you need to get lucky with flaring it.
Ah, that's what just happened then. The last opponent was a 23ML. Seemed competent, had 3 kills, but still didn't react after I fired at ~15km and ate a 530D
Been getting a ton of launch warnings on the viggens as I grind for the Grippp. Can’t wait for the BR changes if they happen before I get the gripp because getting F-14, F-15, J-11, MiG-23, Su-27 radar locks and launches on me gets VERY annoying even if I’m on the deck and rarely get hit down there.
R C *right bracket* 3 F *hold 8 for 5 seconds* That’s what I do on the runway each time I take off with my radar, missile selection and wing sweep preparing lol.
i have it & it was the best choice ive ever gotten, i like it beter than the F16 and the mig29smt.people dont know how to use the radar and how to keep speed at 1450 on ground. GSH is amazing gun. its an amazing radar if you know how to use it and have the keybinds. i have alot of matches in this thing and its insane. easy to avoid missiles, easy to kill.. Anything. AMAZING dogfighter. no need for the external tank bring the 12x large flares, R24Rs R60Ms full WEP until youve reached 25m of fuel then switch to half WEP with your scroll wheel for idealy the rest of the match. best jet ive ever touched. R24Rs are amazing, R60Ms are really good for easy killed only shoot at 1km or preferably below AND DO NOT ignore the IRST. One of the best IRST on any jet ive used, Once you use your radar missiles switch to IRST and use the beyond visual range to lock easily. (Make sure you use MTI always and beyond visual range frequently in close) Still amazing in uptier aswell. (If your good like meee.. HAVE WING KEYBINDS) one of the best jets in the game IMO
Update from my post of 2 days ago. THIS THING IS WORTH IT! Btw, thanks @Seek for showcasing the optimal playstyle. I've been following it and it's great for me.
It's top tier, I really dont care about kill stealing anymore. everybody does it and besides burning planes are still able to shoot lethal missiles at your teammtes.
@@bonez4420 no you are not and I'm not sure who else is to blame but gajin If kills were properly credited them you would never have a situation in which you set someone on fire he is falling down and you don't get a kill This is 100% gajin bad game design and is easily fixable
also dont sleep on the 24T. so many times where even aware players dont flare and tries to notch instead as they thing its a radar missile coming. but you cant notch the IR.
See the funny thing is that to defeat a PD radar, you should notch while dumping some chaff, the radar would switch to SRC after the notch and get chaffed off. If you're using mixed countermeasures, you should be defeating all kinds of missiles
My dumbass who never touched a jet above 7.7 ever before, picked this up on sale. Since then, from about 4.7 battle rating, I now have the SU-27 in a few weeks, and my KD in 340ish matches is 254 deaths, 393 kills. A player who has no prior experience. Easy buy this thing is.
@@cvrbon6 It's the best way to try out fast the most important US jet fighters without grinding the whole US so it's still relevant for most people who barely have more than a single tech tree
Honestly i hate the Mig-23. Used the MLD to grind rank 7 and 8 but what you describe here the drifting the wobbling all over the place when the wings are swept back killed any kind of gunplay with it for me. Missiles are great for sure but when it comes to gunplay i haven't been frustrated as much in any plane as i was with this thing. The low velocity of the 23mm Gsh don't help either.
The most success I have with this plane is when going right with 20m fuel and wings full forward after first merge. Shoot R24r at 2 first enemies in acm mti mode and the ratefight all the enemies while my team cleans whole enemy team :D
Worst 70 dollar prem jet? F4EJ ADTW. It's the radar and missiles. Lol mainly the radar. If the damn thing had a better one like the F4S,F4j,or I could head on with sparrows at low altitudes but nope. I constantly die to head on attacks because everything has either all aspects infrared missiles or better radar and can shoot SAHR at me while I can't. Lol It can be frustrating but she has gotten me to the F15j,just got to finish its grind. GG
Yeah easily on of the worst high tier premiums but it also helped me research the entire Japanese air tree. But I also found that I really enjoyed flying it for some reason compared to the F16AJ and the F15J.
It's literally a downgraded F4E at the same br. Sad that not only is it the only premium option for a high tier japanesse jet, but the techtree counterpart is the only rank 7 Japan gets, so you literally have to play it.
@@jojomaster7675nah, you don’t have to. I grinded the ej-Kai with the F1 after about 20 matches in the tech tree ej. Even without flares it was much more survivable
i got this thing during the new years sale, and even me, with basically 0 experience with top tier, with my highest BR plane being the mig-9, i have almost a 2.0 kd, thing is bonkers. I went from 7.3 with the mig-9 to the SU-27 in a week, over 320 games. I with out a doubt preferer the R-24Ts tho, i just like the reliability and not having to worry about getting a radar lock. If they dont flare, they die 90% of the time.
I've got to disagree, the r23T's get flared way to easy and everyone you are facing will just spam flares all day you end up wasting them, R24R way to go if you can radar lock quick enough
@@luket6522 if you go high 5000ish meter most maps, and just drop down on people it’s basically a free 2 kills, when I was grind the 27sm I was getting 2-4 kill games reliably this way. Since they nerfed all Mig-23 radar r-24r is very unreliable just cuz the radar will switch modes all the time
It's an awesome plane. I took a break back in 2020 after that stupid grind event and I just came back like 3 months ago and got this plane it is soo fast and I can get kill after kill. Although I dominated in the mig 17as This is wayyy better.
Also I just realized I'm featured in the vid at the 4:00 minute mark. It was a great fight I got 6 kills but I couldn't fight all of you. And yes, I have a thing for Taylor Swift.
Bought this for full price in february 2023, now I'm a few matches away from getting su27, worth it? thats for you to decide I just shared my experience .:)
I highly disagree with flying low!! I go up every game and it works perfetcly fine if you do it right. Todays session: 3 battles, 2/3 uptiers, 16 kills 0 deaths. You can 100% climb
@@norske_ow3440 but it geht's ld which is still better than normal src (and it already at 1800 and something meters above ground), my performance kinda speaks for itself if you ask me, I did the same 3 matches no death with 14 kills last week too. It works perfectly fine. And I'm far from being one of the best players in airrb
@@henne5348 LD is literally just search mode with the dish tilted a few degrees down so you can see targets below your nose... and your supposed performance doesn't mean shit in this conversation unless all 14 were with r24r at high altitude... and if that's the case, then those stats are a lie
I grinded the MLA and imma say the opposite from my experience, climb to roughly 5000m give or take. Just below the limit where you make a giant white cloud streak in the sky the enemy can see from anywhere on the map, lob off your R24R about 17-25km away and get a free neuron activation, if you are lucky you can get 2 before you got to dive down to your team. OR you get unlucky and die to a ML or F4S before your missile could reach the target
my guy this is probably the best in sim at 11.0. It beats everything, you just need to forget the dogfighting or else you're a sitting duck. but you will be the fastest with one of the best missiles and best radars, that will beat 9/10
@@jasonistemalek9178 I understand, but I'm going schizo because every time I hear any thing that doesn't come from my jet I snap my head around and majority of the time its nothing
I didn’t really need saving, I can run away or beat him in a dogfight, it’s a superior plane to the F5. I set him up for a kill, that’s just how a team game goes.
It had to be a mistake omitting the F-15 variants from the BR changes. I can **almost** entertain the idea that noob American players could be dragging down the statistics for the American F-15A. Think F-4S players that unlocked the F-15. BUT. This logic does not apply to the F-15J or the Baz. Few if any players willingly choose the Japanese or Israeli trees as their first tech tree. Players with the F-15J and Baz are almost certainly experienced, above-average players. Not to mention the fact that the AAM-3 is the best IR missile in the game. This is certainly an oversight on Gaijin's part.
Lot of people think it has more to do with preparing for fox-3, but that still doesn’t really explain the 15J… maybe since the sarh/radar fix was so recent, they are waiting to see if that changes it’s stats?
the F-15 as it is right now, is fine at 12.3. all it really has going for it are the 9M's, it flies like a bus cause gaijin still couldn't get the flight model right even after "fixing" it. there's now also a theory we'll get the proper F-15C at 12.7. besides all of that, the F-16C is better in every way, 2 more IR missiles, better flight model, better at dogfighting despite not being a dogfighter, and it has HMD.
its the best in sim with a br of 11.0. the radar and its iff with the r24t/r are a beast + every enemy is an f4 who's trying to carpet bomb your airfield so easy targets easy money
Great. Reading the comments and watching this vid made me realise i fucking suck at this game. I cant make this thing work. My radar is all over the place, 90% of the time it wont even lock, or if it does, it will lose lock right before the missile would hit. Eversince i got it all i could us it for is bombing and the occasional missile kill on a player that sucks worse than I am. I struggled with it so hard i quit playing air all together. No point grinding if I know I won't be able to make the aircraft in high rbs work. I just gotta keep playing arcade to get some strike planes for ground and then im officially done with air
Yeah it's annoying AF. Haven't played a single 10.3 match lately without 3-4 in it... Their missiles used to get defeated with a single chaff, now they don't care about chaff... You up high? You dead... These things ruined the entire 10.3 matchmaker, they should go to 11.7 and stay there...
10.3 is completely fine. Still gets plenty of downtiers and 11.3 matches are still playable if you're in a proper fighter. 11.3 is much worse. In reality, the MiG-23ML(A) gets absolutely demolished by IRCCM spamming 12.3s. Also, R24s aren't that op. They're countered the same way as AIM7E-2/F/Ms, possibly even easier due to the Mig-23s relatively mid radar. American PDs are harder to counter than it's MTI. Simply learn how to notch or don't climb.
@@jojomaster7675 When was the last time you played 10.3? Go play the F-5C now and see for yourself... Again it was fine a month ago, now it's not... 50 matches, 45 of them are 11.3s... I don't care if they suffer or not, i just want them out of 10.3...
@@dukeofdream Last time i played was a week ago when I took out the Mig-21MF. Absolutely amazing, out of 20 matches about half were downtiers to 9.3/9.7. And even in uptiers i managed fine. 11.3s aren't such a huge threat. Radar missiles are just as easy to avoid in a 10.3 as in a 12.3 and nothing gets IRCCM, apart from the su-25BM/T, which is not a threat as it's an su-25. And that was with the Mig-21MF, a plane that uptiers rather badly, due to it's missiles having the worst flare resistance in the game, it's gun having low ammo and being rather awkward to aim and it not having any edge over higher br aircraft, with many outperforming it in both speed, energy and turn performance. The F5C is quite possibly the best performing plane in an uptier in the entire 10.3 bracket. It doesn't relly on it's missiles or speed and it's turn performance is better than many 11.3s. If you're struggling with it, then that's a skill issue. If you're trying to bomb in it, then that's an even bigger skill issue. Try playing any 11.3 right now.
@@jojomaster7675 I never bomb, i'm just using it as a pure fighter... this is like the 20th time i mention this lately... I started grinding the event mirage with the F-5C cause of how fast the matches are ( and also zero queue times) in 10.3 compared to early jets that i am now in France, Russia and Israel... Up until the 5th mark of distinction i was getting consistently 1-4 kills and maybe die early in an unlucky match every now and then... I struggled like zero... By that time i had almost 3:1 K/D ratio in it... Then i decided to play the F-8E and spade it... First day during the 5th mark of distinction i'm having a blast and i get similar K/D with the vehicle half spaded... I go to sleep and start the 6th mark the next day... From that day onwards i'm just dying in anything 10.3-12.0. I thought it was the plane so i went back to the F-5C. I'm not a lvl 5 that bought an F-4S with moms wallet... i've been playing since 2014 and especially in the F-5C i have like 500 kills... I used to face mig-21s in every battle, no i'm facing mig-23s in every battle, i rarely see Mig-21BiSs anymore... Getting the Event mirage, the F-14A and the F-16a lately i'm just dying in all of them and the F-5C too... I don't know what changed, it certainly isn't a skill issue cause i was doing fine before... 3:1 K/D ratio in hundreds of matches can't be just luck (i'm questioning myself now reading comments like yours).. I don't know what's going on but i'm really having a hard time lately in WT and i have rage-quit alt+f4 manytimes... Only reason i still play is that i feel sorry for the money i paid for the yearly premium subscription.... I kid you not, today i took a xanax cause of how mad i was with it, and i'm a very peaceful character... F-16A, 30 matches last night, 15 matches today... 4 kills and 40 deaths? This is unplayable ridiculous bullshit... 5 of those deaths were me crashing to a tree while trying to evade radar missiles, this is insane. I don't how you guys find top tier fun. For me it's pure hell, missiles coming from every direction, i don't know where to look, massive furballs, moment i manage to find a good shot someone either shoots it from 5km or i get killed by someone i didn't see cause i was so focused dodging head-on radar missiles.
Stay low cause if u go above 3000 or 3500 meters on certain maps ur radar switches to src ld and it’s absolute dogshit cause it loses lock with chaff. So stay low and use src mti cause it’s the best radar mode
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Since I’m getting repeat comments on the matter:
Yes I tried “kill stealing” at 1:30. My stance on kill stealing at top-tier is as follows:
Kill stealing is just a part of top-tier. That is the nature of point and click missile combat. It happens to me, it happens to you, and we know all too well 90% of our teammates would’ve done the same thing if they were me. I’m not going to miss out on neuron activation from the funny sound after getting a kill because I’m worried about being the “honorable” teammate when the overwhelming majority aren’t anymore anyway.
Aside from that, in this very clip you can see the target shoot a missile while he’s on fire, allegedly “dead“ if somebody can still shoot missiles at your teammates, they’re still a threat to the team.
In non-missile combat kill stealing is much more frustrating, and I refrain from doing it. The kills take more effort, skill, work, time, etc. and the threat of a severely damaged enemy to your team is much lower when they don’t have 30G all aspect missiles. Robbing someone the satisfaction of a kill that they put way more work into after a dogfight than they do at top-tier when the target isn’t even a threat is much more understandable to me. But in top tier, everybody steals, the targets are still threats until they’re dead, and less goes into actually getting the kills - since the only “skill” that goes into getting the kills is determining whether or not they are paying attention to you.
People complain about kill steal but in reality we all do, maybe not often but we do
just be better than them, go honorable and lead by example
@@qrtze i don't, never have (at least not on purpose) and never will
Exactly, any enemy still alive can be a threat.
After you hear the ping doesn’t mean they’re fully dead… they can’t still fire missiles
It was on sale for 35 bucks a couple weeks ago. And I did not even bother thinking about it and bought it. Grinded the Flanker, Fulcrums and Eagle with the remaining premium time in 14 days. One of the best purchase I've made in 10 years of playing the game.
its insane. you can easily go above 3:1 kd
for me, using only ACM mode in MTI with the R-24R works the best
Good lord i’ve been struggling with this jet ever since I bought it from new year sale. Thanks for the advice, will try it later.
I have MLA version in the German tree since the start of December. You can’t get anything done as you will always face 18 enemies all lobbing irccm missiles at you.
@@MZIHso cap man you can get 2 kills easy with the radar missiles
@@sneakytom7416I can confirm, living in ACM MTI with r24rs is a red carpet to a 3.0 kd
@@judgemental9253 i can confirm it as well, tested it today and it works like heaven.
Bought this in the most recent Christmas sale, and it's been easily the best purchase I've made as far as premiums go. I started from pretty much nothing in the soviet tech tree to having the su27 in two weeks, and I definitely could've gotten it sooner if I had more time to grind. I've hovered around a 2kd in this thing, and I'm an average to maybe slightly above average pilot. Can't recommend enough to those who have experience in top tier.
I bought it on sale recently too. I agree completely. This thing is insanely good. I don’t even struggle at 12.3. The R24Rs are simply incredible. Practically guaranteed kills with those things.
Indeed. I got it and 341 games later I got the Su-27. I was at rank 3 starting research into Rank 4 when I got it lol. Took about 2 weeks. Depending on how much was played each day.
SO FAST????
i got free talisman on the older brother mig-23m a long time ago when ussr basically has the worst toptier even against minor nations. decided to use it for flanker grind because if im going to die early every game i might as well fly out the plane that i used to love despite all its shit characteristic. unlocked Su-27 in 3 days of normal people gaming session with mostly 1 kill games.
yeah i guess the flogger family are just awesome like that
as someone who's flown the MiG-23M for pvp since it got added, the MiG-23ML and even the 23M are honestly really decent. you never ever see it happen in top tier air rb, especially with how your average player in the ML is, but the Flogger airframe if flown properly with wings out and taking proper lines can rinse the hell out of things like Viggens, F-5E/Cs, J35Ds in a 1v1 and absolutely distroys similar airframes like the Phantom. in some cases i would even go so far as to say it could face up against a Mirage 2K 1v1 if you made absolutely no mistakes
When the 14A came out I started to preset the sweep all the way out. So with the press of a button I can pull harder than tomcats and out maneuver them for a few passes. You have to know the speed though otherwise you’ll force a wing rip instead of an overshoot lmao
mig 23 are great plane, except the gun obviously 😂
@@SteelxWolfI also do that, I wish there was a way to start a match with 0% preset without needing to do it manually. It is amazing in a dogfight but the need to get your wings out before you start fighting means that in fights where you aren't the first to engage you're screwed.
@@SteelxWolf funny enough, if you mirror this IN the tomcat yourself, you either rip your wings up or you get nasty, NASTY tight turns and devilish results in a dogfight, especially if you go balls to the wall and put flaps out- as the tomcat can leave takeoff flaps out almost up to 850kph IAS, but those obv drain that speed very fast
personally i prefer to stay in manual the whole time, but i dont play air RB regularly anymore and mainly just go around doing small scale or 1v1 combat in custom battles as i can find it
I recently got the MiG-23MLA and imo it's barely playable. Not because it's a bad plane, but simply because 12.3 exists. Both the planes and the pilots just make your life hell in the 23, since everyone clumps together in the center of the map into one big furball that you can't even get close to without having several IRCCM missiles launched at you. The few times (few as in like 1 in every 10 games) I've gotten 12.0 it did surprisingly well. Honestly looking forward to playing it again once 11.3 is cleansed of AIM9Ms and R73s.
MiG-23ML owner here, used it to finish the grind that the Su-25K couldn't. Ended up working pretty well. Second best MiG-23 behind the MLD. I'm pretty alert with my situational awareness, but im not gonna lie, I've caught a lot of R-24R's and T's as I've been grinding the Chinese lines, its the only thing I go hard after if I see it.
Fun fact at close ranges like 5km or about 8km the r24 is on par with r27er the booster of the r24R is 50000kn and 27er is 53000kn same burn time so you really just get less turning 27er for whole 1.0 br
Wait we're getting 12.7? I thought Gaijin said they weren't gonna increase the BR cap. That's awesome news!
AMRAAMs soon.
You already have a couple of MiG 29's at 12.7
@@FXIIBeaverbud guessed
@@FXIIBeaver6 months after
@@Warthunderspecialist1 so I see you aren’t very good at reading.
where have you been in my 2k hours of War Thunder? i had no idea that some aircraft couldn't detect your radar if it was in a certain band until the algorithm showed me in this vid. You definitely deserve my sub and like; this helped me out when I thought I already knew everything about top tier ARB
It's been a thing only after the recent RWR reworks that came two patches ago
Got my first 8k game with this thing, used Ts at the start then Rs when the enemy team dwindled, it's surprisingly balanced and fun to fly and fight against.. Unlike some.
I'm actually surprised how well the radar does at low altitude, I've been slammed by R24s at near tree top level and they just stick on me rather than dropping to the dirt
MTI is actually pretty good it's better to make it face the ground by putting your nose to that direction instead of just flying at tree top
He's using a combination of radar and IR tracking system along the video so it's not just radar alone also there're different R24s. There's R24R which is radar guided and still hits the ground if you're close to it and R24T which is IR guided so you can fly low all you want but it won't save you but flares can help with that one.
Just like irl
Because it’s Russian. Any western radar guided immediately loses lock and explodes off the rail. Sparrows are way too underperforming.
@@nikelon8227 I meant R24R's as I was talking about radar performance, and I meant in general with my experience fighting MiG-23ML's. Yeah Seek is using a combo and it works well, but just straight radar and R24R I've been killed a handful of times at treetop when it should lost to ground clutter.
I love using IRST with the R24Ts i just wish the IRST fov was larger. It can struggle against maneuvering targets.
Not sure if it still functions this way in WT specifically, but the SPO-10 RWR on this aircraft is technically 8 directional, a lock to the 12,3,6 or 9 o'clock should be illuminating the two corresponding sectors, e.g a 12 o'clock lock shoud be illumiating both front sectors of the RWR, from the 3 it should illuminate both right sectors etc. i recall it working this way before the RWR rework recently but i wouldn't be surprised if it was screwed up in one of the recent updates. Regardless, it's still subpar for maintaining situational awareness and should only be used to roughly locate potential threats, while the good old mk1 eyeball is better for launch detection.
something actually good about what ML and the MLA teaches you with the bad RWR is awareness, I had so much fun playing the MLA while grinding the whole german tech tree
Great vid as usual. One thing I didn't hear mentioned is that the missiles are just so much better than NATO counterparts at equal BR. Having ground the Swedish and Japanese tech trees, the number of times I've died to head-on R60s at point blank where I wouldn't have been able get an equal shot off with AIM-9Ls/RB-74s is the most frustrating part of fighting against MiGs. That and how well the radar works at treetop level, no chance I can get as reliable of a lock in the F-16AJ or Viggens.
Yea the 9L has like a 1.8 second prox arming time now. Even before the nerf you definitely couldn't do with it what the R-60 can. R-60 arms and pulls basically immediately after firing. I've been on the receiving and delivering end for Japan and the Soviets.
the drawback of the r-60m now is that they actually chase flares if they see flares unlike aim-9l that sometimes just go sike and go back to their target
You already know it’s a Russian game
I got the Su-27 yesterday which took about a month from rank 1 using the 23ML. If you can play top tier, it’s a breeze
R24r is very reliable and its insanely good on the mig23ml since no one expects it and they just combust.
Everyone expects it, it’s the main threat of the aircraft
Everyone expects it lol
everyone expects it and is unreliable at times
I bought the mig 23 ML when it was released and also got one for my friend. We were both able to get top tier Russia with it and it was actually a pretty fun grind compared to most.
We recently unlocked the gripen for Sweden as well, that tree was torture compared to using the 23 ML for Russia.
Proud to have always been an R-24R stan from day one 🙏
Got the ML originally to grid the russian air tech tree, got it done, each single time you die will teach you to eventually get that death as a kill. Now I use this thing as a SL farmer due to the R24R being wtf levels of radar guided missiles, and R60M doing their job relatively fine, even if they aren't some top dog missile like a R73.
Man those R-24's are insane, i was on the dirt throwing chaff and the missile just ignores all of it and nails me
yeah that's the MTI radar mode in a nutshell, MTI doesn't care about chaff
I was just watching this while eating not expecting to learn anything, simply listening to you yap (that's a compliment), when you dropped the absolute knowledge bomb of the J band radar. I think I noticed it when they first implemented the RWR changes but I completely forgot about it.
I was hesitant to buy it, but during the sales I did and holy shit, actually op
i guess this video isn up to date, looking for new one
Best thing about m23 is that you face f4s premiums that are flying tanks. Fly low for the first sparrow and it is literally a free kill with no all aspect missiles 😁 you outturn and vastly outspeed them!
My only gripe is the RWR, since in Sim they realistically modelled that some American plane's radars don't set off your RWR at all, cannot tell you how many times I've been one shot by AIM-7Fs without any warning, literal horror game jumpscare
The one thing that makes the 23ML real good (in my eyes at least) is the R24T. Thing has good range and only 2 seconds where you get ANY warning that it is coming. After that, you need to get lucky with flaring it.
Ah, that's what just happened then. The last opponent was a 23ML. Seemed competent, had 3 kills, but still didn't react after I fired at ~15km and ate a 530D
Me in my F5E : hehe I see you've locked on me, now you're screwed!
Crazy this is the same BR as the F-104s ASA
This would explain why I’ve been dunked on by this plane so many times in the mig29
They flare dispensers looking like RAM sticks was my first thought when I first saw it lol.
Can we talk about that last shot on that stationary MiG-23 and how he didn't die? I'd be pissed
Been getting a ton of launch warnings on the viggens as I grind for the Grippp. Can’t wait for the BR changes if they happen before I get the gripp because getting F-14, F-15, J-11, MiG-23, Su-27 radar locks and launches on me gets VERY annoying even if I’m on the deck and rarely get hit down there.
The Mig23ML's should probably all be 11.7 in the new BR setup.
yeah no, nah
R C *right bracket* 3 F *hold 8 for 5 seconds*
That’s what I do on the runway each time I take off with my radar, missile selection and wing sweep preparing lol.
use irst some times ... its really stealth with R24T or R60M ^^
These things chase me down everytime i miss the headon with my f4junk 😢
24T’s using search ir is nasty. Even makes the R60 a better missile using it💯💯
I was considering purchasing it but now that that you posted this video It's a done deal.
and yet you're seeing people run FULL BOMB LOADS on this plane, ridiculous
i have it & it was the best choice ive ever gotten, i like it beter than the F16 and the mig29smt.people dont know how to use the radar and how to keep speed at 1450 on ground. GSH is amazing gun.
its an amazing radar if you know how to use it and have the keybinds. i have alot of matches in this thing and its insane. easy to avoid missiles, easy to kill.. Anything. AMAZING dogfighter. no need for the external tank bring the 12x large flares, R24Rs R60Ms full WEP until youve reached 25m of fuel then switch to half WEP with your scroll wheel for idealy the rest of the match. best jet ive ever touched. R24Rs are amazing, R60Ms are really good for easy killed only shoot at 1km or preferably below AND DO NOT ignore the IRST. One of the best IRST on any jet ive used, Once you use your radar missiles switch to IRST and use the beyond visual range to lock easily. (Make sure you use MTI always and beyond visual range frequently in close) Still amazing in uptier aswell. (If your good like meee.. HAVE WING KEYBINDS)
one of the best jets in the game IMO
Update from my post of 2 days ago.
THIS THING IS WORTH IT!
Btw, thanks @Seek for showcasing the optimal playstyle. I've been following it and it's great for me.
JESUS that first missile launch at a burning plane.... just how desperate are you to get kills?
It's top tier, I really dont care about kill stealing anymore. everybody does it and besides burning planes are still able to shoot lethal missiles at your teammtes.
@@SeekerHeadhate your logic lol. Kill stealing is foul 😂😂😂
@@bonez4420 there is no such thing as kill stealing, just bad game design that doesn't credit kills correctly
Blame gajin not players
@@wapniak666 you kno im right 🤣🤣🤣. Cant blaim gaijin for player choices to kill a falling, wingless jet but each to their own ✈
@@bonez4420 no you are not and I'm not sure who else is to blame but gajin
If kills were properly credited them you would never have a situation in which you set someone on fire he is falling down and you don't get a kill
This is 100% gajin bad game design and is easily fixable
also dont sleep on the 24T. so many times where even aware players dont flare and tries to notch instead as they thing its a radar missile coming. but you cant notch the IR.
See the funny thing is that to defeat a PD radar, you should notch while dumping some chaff, the radar would switch to SRC after the notch and get chaffed off. If you're using mixed countermeasures, you should be defeating all kinds of missiles
My dumbass who never touched a jet above 7.7 ever before, picked this up on sale. Since then, from about 4.7 battle rating, I now have the SU-27 in a few weeks, and my KD in 340ish matches is 254 deaths, 393 kills. A player who has no prior experience. Easy buy this thing is.
With the wings swept back it’s basically a delta
I think the reason the f15 isn't going up is because you're getting a mix between a phantom and an f16. It's not as good as other jets
This, J35XS, and F-5C are the only premiums worth buying IMO
kfir canard better then those two by a mile
@mvp.4391 for RP grinding with bombs, maybe. Israel top tier is just a copy/paste so I'm good on that
@@cvrbon6 It's the best way to try out fast the most important US jet fighters without grinding the whole US so it's still relevant for most people who barely have more than a single tech tree
trash plane lmao@@mvp.4391
its guns pushes it self.... too much, low missiles, the loadouts for CAS is also not good.
we need an updated review on this jet lmfao
I have one. Check my latest video
Now I understand why I randomly die to an R24R with no launch or rwr in the Su27.
i personally turn off the radar and use the t-24 instead because theyre quite flare resistant and also just very fast too
Definitely is one of the premium jets of all time
Honestly i hate the Mig-23. Used the MLD to grind rank 7 and 8 but what you describe here the drifting the wobbling all over the place when the wings are swept back killed any kind of gunplay with it for me. Missiles are great for sure but when it comes to gunplay i haven't been frustrated as much in any plane as i was with this thing. The low velocity of the 23mm Gsh don't help either.
Just dropped 6 kills (my pr at top tier) in this thing, it’s really fun to play and r24s are crazy
The most success I have with this plane is when going right with 20m fuel and wings full forward after first merge. Shoot R24r at 2 first enemies in acm mti mode and the ratefight all the enemies while my team cleans whole enemy team :D
what keybind is the acm mti mode?
I bought this as my first purchase in war thunder and a week ago I unlocked the su27
Worst 70 dollar prem jet? F4EJ ADTW. It's the radar and missiles. Lol mainly the radar. If the damn thing had a better one like the F4S,F4j,or I could head on with sparrows at low altitudes but nope. I constantly die to head on attacks because everything has either all aspects infrared missiles or better radar and can shoot SAHR at me while I can't. Lol
It can be frustrating but she has gotten me to the F15j,just got to finish its grind. GG
Yeah easily on of the worst high tier premiums but it also helped me research the entire Japanese air tree. But I also found that I really enjoyed flying it for some reason compared to the F16AJ and the F15J.
It's literally a downgraded F4E at the same br. Sad that not only is it the only premium option for a high tier japanesse jet, but the techtree counterpart is the only rank 7 Japan gets, so you literally have to play it.
@@jojomaster7675nah, you don’t have to. I grinded the ej-Kai with the F1 after about 20 matches in the tech tree ej. Even without flares it was much more survivable
i got this thing during the new years sale, and even me, with basically 0 experience with top tier, with my highest BR plane being the mig-9, i have almost a 2.0 kd, thing is bonkers. I went from 7.3 with the mig-9 to the SU-27 in a week, over 320 games. I with out a doubt preferer the R-24Ts tho, i just like the reliability and not having to worry about getting a radar lock. If they dont flare, they die 90% of the time.
I've got to disagree, the r23T's get flared way to easy and everyone you are facing will just spam flares all day you end up wasting them, R24R way to go if you can radar lock quick enough
@@luket6522 if you go high 5000ish meter most maps, and just drop down on people it’s basically a free 2 kills, when I was grind the 27sm I was getting 2-4 kill games reliably this way. Since they nerfed all Mig-23 radar r-24r is very unreliable just cuz the radar will switch modes all the time
Me seeing Seek recommending a 11.3 prem when I talismaned my J-7E.
Su-27's not being able to detect J-Band is crazy . - - .
It's an awesome plane. I took a break back in 2020 after that stupid grind event and I just came back like 3 months ago and got this plane it is soo fast and I can get kill after kill. Although I dominated in the mig 17as This is wayyy better.
My biggest gripe is the LD mode of the radar above 6000ft
I wish we could ditch the r60ms for some extra pilon space for like 1 or 2 r24s
I got sniped by an aim 120a with this, was a neat experiance
Thanks for posting this after the Sales 😊
R-24R is a very good missle wish I could carry more
su27 on that list too
4:45 the F-4S is kinda on this list because of how… below average and unaware 1/3 of the F-4S players are
But the best part, if you use acm and it locks onto chaff, r24r still tracks🤡
That’s crazy that u uploaded this cause i just bought it. P.s any new war thunder friends?
11.3 air is by far my least favorite br constant uptiers power crept to hell
6:30 splash damage: exists
When I got it I loved it after 200 battles ... not so much
Man, that guy at 10:09 was pretty salty after you killed him lol
I dont think f15A will go up to 12.3, next f15 variant will be 12.7.
Got the Mig-23ML for £30 which was nice
Also I just realized I'm featured in the vid at the 4:00 minute mark. It was a great fight I got 6 kills but I couldn't fight all of you. And yes, I have a thing for Taylor Swift.
my favcourite f4s and j7d
10:10 Gotta Luv WT chat so competitive .....
R24t irst seek is very sneaky
Bought this for full price in february 2023, now I'm a few matches away from getting su27, worth it? thats for you to decide I just shared my experience .:)
I highly disagree with flying low!! I go up every game and it works perfetcly fine if you do it right. Todays session: 3 battles, 2/3 uptiers, 16 kills 0 deaths. You can 100% climb
You can, but the mig23’s radar loses mti after about 5,000m so it does best below that at least
@@norske_ow3440 but it geht's ld which is still better than normal src (and it already at 1800 and something meters above ground), my performance kinda speaks for itself if you ask me, I did the same 3 matches no death with 14 kills last week too. It works perfectly fine. And I'm far from being one of the best players in airrb
@@henne5348 LD is literally just search mode with the dish tilted a few degrees down so you can see targets below your nose... and your supposed performance doesn't mean shit in this conversation unless all 14 were with r24r at high altitude... and if that's the case, then those stats are a lie
@@norske_ow3440 I know but for some reason it's way better than normal src, and it also sees targets up to a few degrees above nose
@@henne5348 placebo effect
I grinded the MLA and imma say the opposite from my experience, climb to roughly 5000m give or take. Just below the limit where you make a giant white cloud streak in the sky the enemy can see from anywhere on the map, lob off your R24R about 17-25km away and get a free neuron activation, if you are lucky you can get 2 before you got to dive down to your team. OR you get unlucky and die to a ML or F4S before your missile could reach the target
Paid 70€ and I dont regret it
I hate this thing when trying to play sim, without any warning I just get sniped and when I do notice its too late to pop chaff/flares
my guy this is probably the best in sim at 11.0. It beats everything, you just need to forget the dogfighting or else you're a sitting duck. but you will be the fastest with one of the best missiles and best radars, that will beat 9/10
thats why I love the flogger in sim :) its so funny to sneak around with irst and only turning on the radar to check if its a friend or not
@@jasonistemalek9178 I understand, but I'm going schizo because every time I hear any thing that doesn't come from my jet I snap my head around and majority of the time its nothing
Imagine not doing T 3 4 after someone saves your ass from a rabid F-5C player...
I didn’t really need saving, I can run away or beat him in a dogfight, it’s a superior plane to the F5. I set him up for a kill, that’s just how a team game goes.
It had to be a mistake omitting the F-15 variants from the BR changes. I can **almost** entertain the idea that noob American players could be dragging down the statistics for the American F-15A. Think F-4S players that unlocked the F-15.
BUT.
This logic does not apply to the F-15J or the Baz. Few if any players willingly choose the Japanese or Israeli trees as their first tech tree. Players with the F-15J and Baz are almost certainly experienced, above-average players.
Not to mention the fact that the AAM-3 is the best IR missile in the game. This is certainly an oversight on Gaijin's part.
Lot of people think it has more to do with preparing for fox-3, but that still doesn’t really explain the 15J… maybe since the sarh/radar fix was so recent, they are waiting to see if that changes it’s stats?
Russian planes can't detect russian radar is the most russian thing in russian air combat
the F-15 as it is right now, is fine at 12.3. all it really has going for it are the 9M's, it flies like a bus cause gaijin still couldn't get the flight model right even after "fixing" it. there's now also a theory we'll get the proper F-15C at 12.7. besides all of that, the F-16C is better in every way, 2 more IR missiles, better flight model, better at dogfighting despite not being a dogfighter, and it has HMD.
This thing is very good in sim as well.
its the best in sim with a br of 11.0. the radar and its iff with the r24t/r are a beast + every enemy is an f4 who's trying to carpet bomb your airfield so easy targets easy money
@@jasonistemalek9178 F4s players are also very stupid making it very easy. I didn't even have a good game and made so much SL/RP.
Got a 17 kill game in sim with this thing and 5 deaths
I don't get the r24T. Everybody is literally always flaring. Some people have so many they can literally auto flare for the whole match
The R-24 is a blast to use, especially the R-24T when it works.
oh great i got a good choice
"you can grind the entire russian tree" was there an update? Did they remove the tier restrictions on rp?
The f4s is second best by far
Great. Reading the comments and watching this vid made me realise i fucking suck at this game. I cant make this thing work. My radar is all over the place, 90% of the time it wont even lock, or if it does, it will lose lock right before the missile would hit. Eversince i got it all i could us it for is bombing and the occasional missile kill on a player that sucks worse than I am. I struggled with it so hard i quit playing air all together.
No point grinding if I know I won't be able to make the aircraft in high rbs work. I just gotta keep playing arcade to get some strike planes for ground and then im officially done with air
Yeah it's annoying AF. Haven't played a single 10.3 match lately without 3-4 in it... Their missiles used to get defeated with a single chaff, now they don't care about chaff... You up high? You dead... These things ruined the entire 10.3 matchmaker, they should go to 11.7 and stay there...
yeah irl it was pretty trash but ofc not in war thunder
10.3 is completely fine. Still gets plenty of downtiers and 11.3 matches are still playable if you're in a proper fighter. 11.3 is much worse. In reality, the MiG-23ML(A) gets absolutely demolished by IRCCM spamming 12.3s.
Also, R24s aren't that op. They're countered the same way as AIM7E-2/F/Ms, possibly even easier due to the Mig-23s relatively mid radar. American PDs are harder to counter than it's MTI. Simply learn how to notch or don't climb.
@@jojomaster7675 When was the last time you played 10.3? Go play the F-5C now and see for yourself... Again it was fine a month ago, now it's not... 50 matches, 45 of them are 11.3s... I don't care if they suffer or not, i just want them out of 10.3...
@@dukeofdream Last time i played was a week ago when I took out the Mig-21MF. Absolutely amazing, out of 20 matches about half were downtiers to 9.3/9.7. And even in uptiers i managed fine. 11.3s aren't such a huge threat. Radar missiles are just as easy to avoid in a 10.3 as in a 12.3 and nothing gets IRCCM, apart from the su-25BM/T, which is not a threat as it's an su-25.
And that was with the Mig-21MF, a plane that uptiers rather badly, due to it's missiles having the worst flare resistance in the game, it's gun having low ammo and being rather awkward to aim and it not having any edge over higher br aircraft, with many outperforming it in both speed, energy and turn performance.
The F5C is quite possibly the best performing plane in an uptier in the entire 10.3 bracket. It doesn't relly on it's missiles or speed and it's turn performance is better than many 11.3s. If you're struggling with it, then that's a skill issue. If you're trying to bomb in it, then that's an even bigger skill issue.
Try playing any 11.3 right now.
@@jojomaster7675 I never bomb, i'm just using it as a pure fighter... this is like the 20th time i mention this lately... I started grinding the event mirage with the F-5C cause of how fast the matches are ( and also zero queue times) in 10.3 compared to early jets that i am now in France, Russia and Israel... Up until the 5th mark of distinction i was getting consistently 1-4 kills and maybe die early in an unlucky match every now and then... I struggled like zero... By that time i had almost 3:1 K/D ratio in it... Then i decided to play the F-8E and spade it... First day during the 5th mark of distinction i'm having a blast and i get similar K/D with the vehicle half spaded... I go to sleep and start the 6th mark the next day... From that day onwards i'm just dying in anything 10.3-12.0. I thought it was the plane so i went back to the F-5C. I'm not a lvl 5 that bought an F-4S with moms wallet... i've been playing since 2014 and especially in the F-5C i have like 500 kills... I used to face mig-21s in every battle, no i'm facing mig-23s in every battle, i rarely see Mig-21BiSs anymore... Getting the Event mirage, the F-14A and the F-16a lately i'm just dying in all of them and the F-5C too... I don't know what changed, it certainly isn't a skill issue cause i was doing fine before... 3:1 K/D ratio in hundreds of matches can't be just luck (i'm questioning myself now reading comments like yours).. I don't know what's going on but i'm really having a hard time lately in WT and i have rage-quit alt+f4 manytimes... Only reason i still play is that i feel sorry for the money i paid for the yearly premium subscription.... I kid you not, today i took a xanax cause of how mad i was with it, and i'm a very peaceful character... F-16A, 30 matches last night, 15 matches today... 4 kills and 40 deaths? This is unplayable ridiculous bullshit... 5 of those deaths were me crashing to a tree while trying to evade radar missiles, this is insane. I don't how you guys find top tier fun. For me it's pure hell, missiles coming from every direction, i don't know where to look, massive furballs, moment i manage to find a good shot someone either shoots it from 5km or i get killed by someone i didn't see cause i was so focused dodging head-on radar missiles.
I have trouble staying in WEP in arcade
Stay low cause if u go above 3000 or 3500 meters on certain maps ur radar switches to src ld and it’s absolute dogshit cause it loses lock with chaff. So stay low and use src mti cause it’s the best radar mode