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- These tapes consist on two interviews and three phone conversations (recorded without the knowledge of the two actresses) between newspaper columnist Shirley Eder and actresses Barbara Stanwyck and Joan Crawford.
The first tape is an interview Eder recorded in the 1960s while the three women had tea at the 21 Club in New York.
The second tape is a conversation between Crawford and Eder in which Joan tries to explain her behavior at a White House dinner. It took place in 1967.
The third tape shows Stanwyck talking to Eder on the phone about Crawford.
In the fourth tape, Joan (a bit drunk) and Shirley talk while riding a limousine.
Finally, the fifth tape is a conversation between Barbara and Shirley about their now late friend, Joan. - บันเทิง
THIS IS ABSOULUTE GOLD THE 2nd part of Stanwyk talking to Shirley about Joan Holy crap. If Barbara knew she was being recorded I think Shirley would have gotten shot. These tapes are a Masterpiece of Dish. Wow!!
I can't even imagine how Strong Joan Crawford had to be in order to survive in Hollywood in her Time.. she's absolutely a phenomenal Woman and Legend! ♥️
Pretty amazing recording. Both were hoofers. Neither one went to high school. School of Hard Knocks. And here they are, sounding like grand, elegant, ladies. Both great actresses. Thanks for posting this.
Yes Barbara did I'm from Brooklyn NY and it's a well known fact that she went to Erasmus Hall in Flatbush. Now, did she graduate no, but she went to high school.
In my 47 years of life, I have never met a single woman that didn't participate in petty gossip from time to time. Come to think of it, I can say the same thing about every man I've ever met.
I always joke about my husband and male friends. You guys make fun of gossip, but you can't wait to hear all the dirt.
Hey, Jetson, let's dish the dirt!
Absolutely. Humans are social animals, we are all interested in the affairs of other people!
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I wish they did a movie together in their careers, that they were friendly alliances through time is something that makes me happy. Too often actresses in their era are pitted against each other. I love both these women!
Especially from Joan, she was a loyal, and loving woman. I don't think a person would have to worry, having her as a friend. They only had to worry about her as an enemy!
theey were individual agents they all gossips back then
Just watched, "Sorry, Wrong Number" again, Stanwyck as ever, superb.
I love Barbara & Joan's philosophy that you don't have to wait until New Year's Eve to get loaded as this is something that you can do on any day.
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Yeah. Especially since Joan was loaded all day, everyday. She carried a bottle of vodka with her
at all times.
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Ms. Stanwyck was loved by co-workers and is/was a tremendous actress no matter what. Would have loved to meet her.
"Not me she won't, honey!" Gotta love Barbara! lol Whatever, they were and are 2 of the greatest!
I don't fault Stanwyck for talking about Joan. She was many of the same things she said about her. Stanwyck didn't lie. Maybe it was wrong of her to talk about her behind her back, but she was still a friend. What was she gonna upset the woman by calling her a liar and all of those things? If you were friends with Joan Crawford for that many years, you'd have a thing or two to say about her as well. Still two of the best actresses of that era.
You are a TWAT, a true friend wouldn't speak the way Stanwyck did, true friends keep secrets and generally mind their own damn business but not Stanwyck, not only did she likely pee standing up, she had no class.
These ladies made movies during a time when everything was starched and prepped, so it's cool to listen to them being so candid. Joan Crawford in her limo... damn. Thanks for uploading this.
2 great ladies of the screen! Just LOVE them both~!
so she had a few drinks....she's an adult...she's entitled to do what she wants with her life
It was so easy and perhaps tempting ,that so many actors went to drink
One 'Problem' was, they got the best booze.
For example a fine Scottish whisky slides down the throat like cream
HUGE fan of both of these women! Fascinating stuff! Thank you for posting.
Thank you for posting this! Always wanted to hear it! Thank you thank you thank you!!!!
and remember Joan was the one who took care of Franchot while he was sick and dying
Maybe she had a guilty conscience...
fool4singing
Maybe your a moron?
Franchot also tasked Joan with spreading his ashes over his property in Canada, not his sons.
He wanted to remarry her too
The son was interviewed. Joan did NOT take care of Franchote when he was sick. They would both go over and eat at Joan's and after a while Franchote was the first one to leave. The son would stay behind and play a board game with joan late into the evening.
This is so juicy, great upload!
What people don't get, back in these fine actress's day, it was a TOTALLY different era, breed even. They were molded into these "women". It truly was a totally different time.
***** I know what you are speaking of, and it did happen. Not so much in THIS time.BUT..I have watched so many biographies of the great actresses and actors of our time and no one put a bullet to these girls heads. I didn't say it was right, but they would do just about anything, that is from what THEY said.
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Sally Gentry exactly. Back then everyone aspired to be a lady or gentleman. Today nobody does.
@@Patrick3183 that part
These interviews just make me love Barbara Stanwyck more. No bullshit from her.
Both were the consummate professionals. I love them both!!!
"There's a name for you ladies...but it isn't used in high society, outside of a kennel."
Great line! But isn't it "polite society"? Either way one of the best lines in the film and very apropos, on so many levels, for this interesting upload.
I pulled this off IMB to check Crystal Allen: "There is a name for you, ladies, but it isn't used in high society... outside of a kennel". :-)
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Julius Maloney I even buy JUNGLE RED nail polish and lipstick too - I wasn't sure it actually existed but it does !
I'd like to add to my own comments about Franchot Tone. JC's friend Lawrence R. Quirk shares a story in his excellent book "Joan Crawford: The Essential Biography" that toward the end of Mr. Tone's life JC occasionally entertained him in her NYC apartment & helped pay some of his medical expenses. Whatever their problems were in their youth they still loved & respected one another 'till the end. The same with Stanwyck. Even with the gossip, there was still a love & comradery between the two.
luv barbara's honest way of talking
so real.
imagine the tapes she has that never see the light of day that discuss various folks sexual preferance....
Lol she's gossiping terribly. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to listen to it, but talking smack about people behind their backs while smiling in their faces is not necessarily all that "honest."
Babs was a bit of a hypocrite. And in the final tape sounds drunker than Joan ever does.
Me as well!
I love Missy's New Yawk accent! And do these ladies GOSSIP.
If you’re listening with headphones for the first few minutes you can clearly hear someone is furiously trying to get a light off that lighter! 😆
Love both Joan Crawford and Barbara Stanwyck. ❤️
it is quite amazing to listen. thank you
So Interesting! Life as we know it. Don't trust too many. Thanks for posting this!
These are endlessly entertaining. One has to consider they were both trained and indrocrinated in a Hollywood system that demanded presenting an image to the public that was beyond reproach. Both women, like all of us, were after all, human beings as flawed, to differing extremes, as all human beings are.
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My two favorite actors! Both women exuded charisma 🌠
In my opinion, Shirley Eder is the one not to be trusted. She was sort of playing two ends against the middle, trying to dig...especially towards the end. It was like she was trying to get Joan to say, she regretted her life, her decisions etc...but JC didn't go down that road of regret. Let the chips fall where they may. I think Barbara was being real and Joan as well. People like Shirley are what you call"frienemies". They are enemies wrapped up in friends clothing. I understand she was a reporter, but they know the right flattering words to get you to share your secrets. I'm sure BS and JC dealt with a lot of Shirleys in their life. Barbara and Joan, both fine actresses! Thank you for sharing!
Both women were great actresses. Joan could be gracious and thoughtful, when things were done up to her standards. On the other hand, she could be mean and self centered. She thought she was royalty, and She was a heavy drinker, but inspite of all that, I always admired her acting abilities and loved her movies. Barbara Stanwyck was so believable in her movies, what an excellent actress!! She seemed like a real cool lady. I love how she talked. I think she treated people a lot better. Loved her in Stella Dallas! Any way RIP to both of them.
This is without a doubt the most incredible posting on all of You Tube! Thank you so very much for posting this!
awesome!!! much thx
Give Barbara Stanwiyck a break the commentator is asking questions for crying out loud. She is not gossiping. She just tells as it is.
At any moment she could have declined to comment out of respect for her "friend," but instead she went on and on in great detail, even beyond what she was asked. She won't shut up.
Absolutely!
that's why I liked her so much.
I have just heard this as old as it is. I found it by accident through 'links'. Do I take it that Barbara Stanwyck and Joan Crawford used to be friends a long time ago and then later by Stanwyck's comments to the reporter that they diffinatley were not friends anymore. Barbara 'really goes off' about Joan Crawford.
It really coincides with her personality on "Feud: Bette and Joan". Is this on the level? Can someone who reads this please reply. I have never heard anything like this before ! I have always been a fan of Barbara Stanwyck and like Joan Crawford in 'some' of her movies too.
She was much more a "real" person than Crawford, who amazingly "manufactured" herself
Amazing audio. Thanks for sharing it!
Carol Channing credits Shirley Eder with saving "Hello Dolly" with her good review of the test run of the show in Detroit.
why did they ask them what new years means to them, as barbara said “what difference does it make” lmao
amazing..two of my favorite stars..!!!
Can't stop laughing. Thanks for posting the picture of Barbara in Sorry, Wrong Number.
Shirley was one of the great pioneers in entertainment journalism. I sure miss her column!
I think Barbara Stanwyck made it all those years without being exclusive to a major studio. I think she freelanced, right? I read that was why she never got an oscar, because despite all her nominations the lack of consistent studio buildup kept her from getting sufficient votes, though she was very popular.
LIstening to her conversations with this horrible woman taping them makes me like Barbara more. She seems real and direct, but definitely a survivor who managed to swim with the sharks.
I’m sitting here wondering why you called Shirley Eder a horrible woman.
Love the old B&W photos!
Priceless!
thanks!!
JC is sloshed and Missy is spilling tea all over the carpets! Love it!
2 Hollywood Icons! Thanks for sharing!
The only reason we have evidence of Barbara "bad-mouthing" Joan is because a private conversation was recorded. There is no such recording of Joan (at least that the public knows about), so who's to say what she might have said off the record...there's no way of knowing. Also, what could Joan have said about Barbara that would be "MUCH worse"? You imply that you know that Barbara was a worse person than Joan.
This is AMAZING, thank you so much!!!!!!!!!! I have been a huge Crawford fan for about 35 years and I thought I knew everythig there was to know. My gosh this is fascinatingly eye opening! Crawford really did have some iron tubes in her heart, now I empathize with her daughter Christina even more. Simply fascinating, thank you again so much for this!!
People of JC's generation just didn't process childhood trauma or seek therapy. They just picked themselves up and put there balls to wall and DID IT! They may be "gruff" or "hard" but they would never get anyway without turning tragedy into success. JC had an awful childhood and was very unloved by her mother.
Wonderful!
Um, hate to break it to you, but Barbara Stanwyck will be remembered for many years to come. And everything she said that could be interpreted as mean about Joan (it wasn't really, but whatever), she thought she was saying in private. I'm willing to wager that Joan wasn't nearly so high and mighty when she thought she was off the record.
Shirley was a very nice woman. Those recordings were released after Shirley's death by a member of her family. Keep in mind that Shirley lived in Detroit and most interviews were done via phone. Those conversations were hardly secret from her subjects --- at one point she complained to Stanwyck that she was having trouble with her recorder --- but were begun when she worried about misquoting people. Barbara understood this and trusted Shirley's discretion.
So the interview at the 21 Club in New York was supposedly recorded without Joan or Barbara's knowledge? I find that hard to believe considering that Shirley signs off at the end of as if she's doing an official interview. If I were Joan or Barbara I would have thought it odd that Shirley would sign off that way if she weren't recording them.
Seven years later 😄It just said that they didn't know the phone calls were being recorded, not the interviews.
Two legends. How devine!
Barbara had a son whom she abandoned his name was Dion, he tried countless times to make amends with her and after awhile he just changed his name and no one ever knew what became of him.
This was her ADOPTIVE son, not biological.
I know..she treated him badly I wonder if he is still living
+cleopatrabonz Sounds to me, from what I know, it was a mutual problem between them.
That's too bad.
For all that I know, the boy was very difficult and addicted to drugs.
The biggest stars. Wouldn't it be great to sit in on one of their long chats?
THE BEST TH-cam POST EVER! The most fascinating discovery since the Judy Garland Tapes! Old Babs could dish with the best of 'em. LOL. Thanks so much for this. Where the hell did they come from?
Not only was Barbara Stanwyck a great actress, she was also an expert with a knife!! Jesus!!
Fascinating listen- it does not make me think any less of the two great stars of Hollywood. From all accounts Joan was a very loyal friend- including to Bill Haines after his acting career was ruined for not conforming and refusing to hide his homosexuality and enter a lavender marriage. Even Christina Crawford gives Joan this credit [as someone who stood by Haines] in a documentary on him.
fascinating!!
Agree with the Ladies. I celebrate at home alone. Appreciate being alone - each to his own. Happy NY.
Five star rating! This is fucking amazing!!!!!
I would just die to be with Joan and Barbara together.
To those of you who think it's normal to talk this way about friends behind their backs, geez, I'm glad you're not friends of mine! No, I do not do that. Things people tell me in confidence stay that way. The rule I live by is don't say things about a friend what you wouldn't say to their face. Obviously, Ms. Stanwyck didn't live by that rule.
I wonder if Stanwyck knew she was being taped.
Joan Crawford and Barbara Stanwyck id have died and gone to heaven!!!!!!! My 2 favorite people on earth! 🌟 🌟
First off I used to think well of Ms. Stanwyck, now my opinion is uncertain. You will notice in NY she and Joan seem more then cordial/friends. In the phone tape she proves she is a Hypocrite, and gossip. U will notice Joan isn't bad mouthing her. lastly divorced for more then 20 years Joan helped take care of Franchot Tone till his death. I still respect Joan. Guess u never know who your friends really are. God Bless u Joan.
This is a WHOLE different side of Barbara Stanwyck THAT no one has ever heard! On Crawford, 22:45 "Hey between you and me I think she's going a little flaky between you and me!"
The Eder woman is clearly the lesser "lady" of the three. That is very clear.
I cannot stand Eder's "rubbery" New York accent: just awful.
The questions are awful & down right stupid. I can't stand Eder & I find it hard to believe that she was a friend of Stanwyck's.
Cannot stand her accent.
All the interviewers back then were so patronizing and smoochy.
Stanwyck was quite the cougar. She taught Robert Wagner the ropes.
TO: Jezebel1960, re your: "Crawford DIDN'T backstab????? Do some independent reading or documentary-watching on how Crawford treated fellow actresses Norma Shearer, Jean Harlow, Janice Rule, Mercedes McCambridge, and Lucy Marlowe over a period of 30-odd years!"
1) Joan, rightly, didn't like Norma 'cause Norma was married to the boss and unjustly got better roles than she deserved. (When Thalberg died, Shearer was done as a star.) Joan never "backstabbed" Shearer --- she was quite open with her disdain for her.
2) Joan was jealous of Harlow 'cause Harlow was sleeping with Gable at the same time Crawford was. Not so sinister or mysterious reason for jealousy. Again, Joan never "backstabbed" Harlow --- she was quite open with why she was jealous.
3) RE Rule, Marlow, McCambridge = all very minor actresses; they themselves hyped the "feuds" with Joan to make themselves seem more important.
In her 50 years of film/TV performances, Joan was notably friends with many actresses and female co-stars: Constance Bennett, Dorothy Sebastian, Myrna Loy, Marie Prevost, Hedda Hopper, Barbara Stanwyck, Marjorie Rambeau, Rosalind Russell, Margaret Sullavan, Virginia Grey, Ann Blyth, Ellen Corby, Diane Baker, to name a few.
I think it's YOU who needs to do some "independent reading or documentary-watching"!
They all backstabbed- in those days it was stab or be stabbed.
LOL so Joan was upfront with. Being a bitch. At least you knew where you stood with her😂😂 but you can't deny despite that book her daughter wrote Joan had the respect of Many people from Kraft service to executives. Because of the way she treated people.
Joan was right about cross-eyed Norma. Joan was the better actress.
Wow....well written rebuttal and defense of a person you clearly are affectionate for.
Best juicy bit of gossip? Barbara Stanwyck discussing Spencer Tracy's affair with Joan Crawford (and that he had a "slew" of others). I never can handle how media and so many authors portray Katharine Hepburn as having such a "beautiful" relationship with Spencer Tracy. Hepburn put up with a lot from Spence, especially when you consider that he never divorced his wife, so they could never be married. In real life Kate was far from her independent screen image when it came to men.
"leave it the way Jesus flung it" - Bill Haines (brilliant!)
Wonder how those Two would have been in Baby Jane? Stanwyck as Blanche and Crawford as Jane!
fascinating insights! wonderful history! thank you, really. from ireland.
Heard both of them combined still had a hard time fighting Empress Dowager Bette Davis
of course. bette is the queen, i still love joanie though
This is not fair to do this to the both of them without their knowledge . They one where they were together , Missy and Billie, fine whatever , but the single ones I didn't think that was right . They were both very strong, DETERMINED ,talented women .
Joan; "I feel you should celebrate whenever you feel like it." And she certainly did.
This is f*cking fascinating….
MrWells3000 Yeah. Both of these women had crazily similar childhoods and paths to stardom. So they saw that in one another but they had vastly different belief systems in worldviews and politics, and I think you hear that come out. Hollywood is still just as divided but now conservatives don't dare speak. The days of blacklisting aren't over. It just happens for different reasons. And people have forgotten how to even be civil and tolerate people with different views. You can always tolerate them and then get back at them years later gossiping on the phone with a girlfriend. Joan was a vocal supporter of the Democratic party and supported very liberal positions while Barbara would have hated the idea of entitlements. Carole Lombard was almost militant in her liberal beliefs. She believed that any disposable income people made should go to others. Joan was just very charitable. A lot of which was anonymous. She was troubled but had a good heart. She seemingly treated strangers better than she would ever treat her friends of family, on the whole. She wasn't terribly great with personal relationships outside of public life.
Joan Crawford took care of Franchot Tone in the end of her life and his. She could be very kind and hard. As most people are.
I understand where Joan was coming from.
Weird conversation dissecting how they do things and interact with each other. Then Joan making reference to the "little people" she sees in Central Park while she's in front of her fire place.
The comments here are more catty than anything Crawford or Stanwyck ever said combined.
Grabit T. .
Awesome! My two favorite actresses...and I hate mainstream!
Shirley Eder! 👏👏👏👏
I hear three very driven, competitive, women. Each of them trying to stay on top in male dominated professions. Both Barbara and Joan had rough beginnings and their insecurities/vulnerabilites show through those tough exteriors...which is precisely why we loved their movies. Shirley had her own agenda. None of them were saints.
If a best friend of mine spoke about me like this, they wouldn’t be a best friend. I know Joan wasn’t perfect and perhaps maybe even not an exemplary mother who knows but I feel defensive of her having friends like this, if nothing else she seemed like a really loyal, loving, genuine friend, but what do I know just a feeling
I absolutely adore Joan and Barbara and women bitch, too and about each other. FACT. I've done it and I don't know any woman who hasn't. Barbara was simply calling Joan out. People make too much of this recording.
36:04 “$2300! That’s just to get on the fucking boat Missy”
Barbara Stanwyck is my favorite no doubt, but Joan Crawford was an awesome actress if you haters can get past it. Funny so many hate Joan, and maybe it's justified, but there was Barbara Stanwyck's undying love for her friend. It's obvious that the little Brooklyn tough Ruby Stevens was able to transcend so much adversity that the raving beauty from Texas could not! If anything Joan needed Barbara, but damn it they were both smart women!
Love them both! What always impressed me about Joan is that she appreciated her fans and answered their letters personally.
LISTEN to THIS and LEARN !
Joan???? Drunk??? No!
@djoi0901
Where did you get these tapes???? Whats or who is your source
Joan loved being a star. Starts at 26:00!
Lmfao I can't breathe 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
TWO TALENTED LADIES WHO HAD TO BE TOUGH TO SURVIVE IN A TOUGH BUSINESS....BUT IT IS SAD THAT THEY WERE TAPED WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE....
BEST THING EVERRRRRR. OTP. Always.
That's pretty pissed right there.
Dames! Love ‘em!
I don't think it was all that uncommon for reporters to tape conversations as a way of covering themselves in case a celebrity claims something they say that ends up in print was something they never said and by having it on tape the reporter can prove that they in fact did say it.