Abusing a child is one of the worst things you could do in life. I consider myself a strong personality with an iron will....but I'm still crushed emotionally when I get flashbacks of abuse that happened to me. It's an open wound that stays with you forever and really never heals. The flashbacks make that a fact. You can get therapy and you can contextualize the abuse with the mind of an adult in an attempt to take away it's control over you, but the wounds go deep into the abyss of your mind and soul.
Traditional talk therapy for my childhood trauma made me feel worse. I finally came to realize that rehatching the trauma by talking about it ad-nauseam was holding me back. Focusing on the symptoms and writing as opposed to talking has done me a world of good.
@@lynnbaker2336Same here Lynn. My life has been completely stunted by my experiences. There are so many things I wish I could have done, but never had the confidence. I've always felt as though there's something bad going to happen, around every corner. It doesn't seem to matter how hard you work on yourself, or how tough you try to be. It's so deeply ingrained that it pulls you totally out of shape & you don't really know who you are anymore.
@gaysy1st I can relate. I'm so sorry for your trauma. The only thing that you can do is try to mitigate the damage 💔 😢 as much as possible. My issues were so serious that I was actually homeless for a time, due to my functioning ability being so impaired. But, there has been improvement, and, contextually, I've actually done pretty well. Wishing you the best in the future. Send me a friend request!
read Eric root book. he said Lana pretty much ignored the daughter for the rest of her life because of a serious illness Cheryl obtained and had to have a complete blood transfusion. after wards Lana said it was not her daughter anymore after that, "who knows who's blood she got!". Lana left the bulk of her estate, jewels and mink furs to her housekeeper.
@@SunsetBoulevard111Lana's former manager, Taylor Pero, said that Eric Root is a pathetic hanger-on who published the book days after Lana's death. Cheryl saw that Root was taking advantage of her mother and cut off his access to her .
The part when Cheryl mother Lana said we didn’t speak about negative stuff about our fellow celebrities is why I believe Christina and remember sexual inappropriate things were done to Shirley temple starting when she was a child that is now being talked about but not said for all this years and the documentary called pretty baby about the sexual exploitation and assault regarding Brooke shields that after decades she is just now talking about. Frankly Christina showed a great deal of courage speaking out when she did.
Christina gave a different version in court documents/depositions, all the while she was selling another version in her book to a publisher. She writes in her later book Survivor (1988) that "The deposition was one of the most grueling and nerve-wracking experiences I'd ever had." This from a woman who claimed to have been abused for years by her mother, nearly strangled to death by her mother, and to have allegedly attempted suicide as a teenager. Yet, she says that a legal deposition at the age of 38 was one of her "most grueling" experiences. Ok.... **ChristinaCrawfordLied**
@@Garsons-oq4lh Depend on which side you want to believe, if the depositions involve reliving the memory of her supposedly abusive relationship with her mom, then it is plausible that it is "most grueling".
Lana got an Oscar nod (Peyton Place); Marilyn deserved it for Bus Stop. So sad that beauty raised both to stardom, then crippled their wide perception.
@@arnepianocanada I feel like Lana's career has finally come under a closer examination over the last couple decades, where Marilyn's own resurgence came much earlier in the late 70's with Second Wave feminism/Madonna's popularity. It was much easier to dismiss Lana and her films as superficial in her own lifetime even if her work in the 1950's alone shows that she was willing to go outside of her comfort zone
I've always believed Christina. Joan's childhood was horrifying and I doubt she ever processed those traumas. We know now that abuse like that tends to be cyclical unless a victim is aware and gets help to heal themselves.
Something else, I was abused in the foster care system, and not only did the abuser seem unaware of her own abuse, but those around her, who knew, either directly or indirectly, of her abuse, acted as though every thing was perfectly normal.
@JoJo-ie8sl How exactly was Joan's childhood horrifying? If you're under that belief of Joan being molested by her stepfather, then you are wrong. She wasn't. Joan Crawford stated in her 1962 autobiography that in her teens, a man named Harry Hough (a male friend of her mother’s) was inappropriate with her but not her stepfather.
That too crossed my mind bcuz l read about her childhood too and it was terrible. The only thing is Tina apparently was the only one singled out. The other 2 girls said she was great. However christopher backs up Tina and had his own abusive accounts. He or the twins have no reason to lie so all of their experiences are probably true bcuz of age differences. Joan cud have been mean in a certain period of her life then mellowed out as time went on. Who knows
@deniawiseone95 how exactly was Joan's childhood terrible? Christopher suffered from what we know today as ADHD. His daughter had children that followed the pattern. But Christopher for instance was harnessed in bed at night at the recommendation of a doctor because he would get up in the middle of the night and wander outside.
@@Garsons-oq4lh Didn't Joan say the family struggled between Anna's husbands, Anna favored Hal, treated joan like a servant and joan was sent to schools where she was mistreated? Didn't Joan tell a story about working at a school and being beaten with a broom and thrown down the stairs? In her own voice in My way of Life?? That sounds horrifying to me.
Cheryl Crane had a rough time with Killing that monster and I believe that she would have done it again if it meant protecting her mother. She had so much to deal with when she was younger and it’s so nice to see her healthy whole and still a devoted daughter to her legendary mother, Lana Turner.
Lana threw out Lex Barker and filed for divorce as soon as she found out what he was doing to Cheryl. She did put her daughter first. With Stompanato, she was trying to get him out of her life.
@@Muirmaiden Yes after 3 years of sexual abuse. And then she took nieuw boyfriend, Italian gangster, very wel known in Hollywood. Imagine you have 13 year old daughter, who was raped en sexually abused and you go on with your career en love life. But no therapy or quality time for your doughter. Cheryl went to live with her father after proces. I don't think Lana was bad person, I think it was very difficult for women in those days and Lana couldn't live without man. And that's why you could say, man was more important than child. But no judgement. Lana was herself very unhappy.
It's documented that's there's often a "target child" in dysfunctional families when one (or both) parent(s) aren't wired up right. Usually (as in my case), it's the child that won't pretend that everything is OK behind closed doors - despite that being the image the parent(s) want to present to the world.
The article below appeared in Vanity Fair some years ago: "In 1952, I was enrolled in the fifth grade as a scholarship student at Chadwick School, in Rolling Hills, California. To help defray costs, my mother served as a secretary to the school’s founder and headmistress, Mrs. Margaret Lee Chadwick. At that time, both Christopher and Christina Crawford were students at Chadwick, Christopher in fourth grade and Christina in eighth. Christina also worked as a cleaning girl in Mrs. Chadwick’s home. Joan would call the school extremely agitated and disturbed at times when my mother was working the switchboard. She would scream into the phone, demanding that one or the other of her children be put on the line immediately. On one of these occasions, my mother, who was partially disabled, explained to her that the entire school was at an assembly in the auditorium (a building half a mile away across the large campus) and that she was physically unable to go and get Christina to speak to her. Joan became enraged and began berating my mother and using foul language in the most offensive way. Often, both Crawford children were not picked up for the alternating weekends when boarding children returned home. Faculty would be forced to host them. Mrs. Chadwick was so sympathetic to the plight of Christina that she confided to my mother that she actually wanted to adopt Christina. Mrs. Chadwick pushed this goal for some time but was told that the fledgling school could not afford the publicity that would inevitably ensue from trying to blow the whistle on Joan Crawford and take one of her children away from her. Christina did not return to Chadwick the next year. For the rest of my childhood, I could not stand to watch Joan Crawford movies, because I knew this woman’s true character. Many conflicting portraits of the Crawfords’ family life have been revealed to the public over the years. However, when all of these events were actually transpiring, it was common knowledge at Chadwick that the Crawford twins, who have gone on to defend their “Mommie” so vehemently, were favored by Joan and not treated with the callousness or abuse that Christopher and Christina endured. Christina is a gentle woman, and several years after her book was published she suffered a stroke which caused her to be unable to remember many of the painful things that had happened to her. I, however, will never forget.” -MARCIA CADEN, Beverly Hills, California".
That's really interesting. I've always felt different from my two Sisters, which I thought was because I'm the middle child. But I was always the rebellious one, running away from home, more than once. Playing up in school. Neither of my Sister's caused any problems. Our Mum had left home when I was 11 & there were some really nasty fights between our parents, plus Mum's Dad dying, leading up to her leaving. My brain was all over the place. But from what you said, perhaps I was the target child because I acted out so much.
Yes it's called Scapegoat abuse . The Scapegoat child being raised by a narcissist. I was the Scapegoat. The family system throws all their crap /unhealed trauma onto the Scapegoat who is the TRUTH TELLER ( yup that was me when I exposed the uncle who molested me and boy oh boy my mother denied it and destroyed my life making my siblings hate me as she controlled the narrative and made me into the monster !) ... it is HORRIBLE to live through being subjected to generations of unhealed trauma onto 1 person! I have 3 siblings and my mother pitted them all against me always playing the victim . She did despicable things to me throughout my life and I suffered in silence as I was programmed to stay silent and everyone just thinks she is the most amazing person . She turned many people against me who I tried Turning to for help /support as suffering in silence ends up in suicide bc you feel so alienated and Alone . I overdosed on advil at age 28 and my family acted like there was nothing wrong and nobody ever asked me why I wanted to hurt myself . That's the basis of dysfunction- there is a huge problem but they all act like there is no/aren't any problems and you feel crazy !!! I've lived in suicide ideation most my adult life and now I understand it's when I'm severely triggered to my childhood abuse/neglect which by age 4 i was a very lonely, invisible little girl
Faye Dunaway played her role extremely well in Mommy Dearest. This movie was so good. I feel sad for her daughter in the movie. She beat the heck out of her.
I thought that Faye dunaway was excellent as Joan crawford.i. have mommie dearest on DVD.i treasure the movie.i am glad it was made.to me it is a powerful and important look at family violence and dysfunction.
After joan crawford was dead she could say what she liked she should have said it in life, the twins denied Christina's story christina also promised her brother half the proceeds from the book if he agreed with her and then she changed her mind so he spoke out against the book and christina also admitted they went overboard with the script for dramatic effect the film was an over acted pile of rubbish.
I believe Faye Danaway should get Oscar for this role. I am saying it as an abusive child. All the scenes were absolutely realistic. This is how it looks like in some families behind closed doors. And everybody has to know it, believe or not!
Goodness, yes - I agree with you. Reporters / presenters have learned a lot more about appropriate enquiry ( I think) nowadays. Seems there’s more understanding of extreme trauma.
@@clairalouisa Phil Donahue was known to be very sensitive, but he wasn't perfect. remember men are not as sensitive as woman, but he really tried, and in turn was able to land Marlo Thomas as his soulmate, rip Phil Donahue.
But Christina gave a different version in court documents/depositions in relation to contesting Joan's will. At the same time she was selling another version (her book Mommie Dearest) to a publisher. One is supposed to tell the truth in a deposition. Christina writes in her 1988 book Survivor that "The deposition was one of the most grueling and nerve-wracking experiences I'd ever had." This from a woman who claimed to have been abused for years by her mother, nearly strangled to death by her mother, and to have allegedly attempted suicide as a teenager. Yet, she says that a legal deposition at the age of 38 was one of her "most grueling" experiences. Ok.... ChristinaCrawfordLied
Cheryl cranes story, to me, is sad and horrible. Cheryl really loved her mother, that she actually risked her life to save her mother from Johnny Stompanato. Tho Cheryl never wanted to kill him by purpose but did it accidentally. It's weird that so many people still say that Cheryl took the blame for her mother, but Cheryl said that even if she did take the blame and it was her mother who killed him, she would of told everybody she took the rap. I believe Cheryl's story.
@@itravisoni She was in her room when she heard it. After she heard it, she was so scared for her mother's sake and hers, so she did the only thing that a kid would do for they're mother/ father.
@Toni Travisoni If Cheryl did call the police, Johnny would have been arrested, but keep in mind this guy was super dangerous. He said that no matter what he would find a way to find Lana and he would have gotten Cheryl kidnapped and chopped up into pieces
@@pennywise6266 I wonder if Cheryl heard everything Johnny said to Lana. Mysteries and Scandals said that Cheryl heard Him then went into the kitchen to grab the knife.
I believe Christina because I know a woman named Carolyn who went to a Catholic boarding school with Christina. Joan Crawford was remote, unavailable, preoccupied, and not much of a nurturing mother to Christina.
@@katherinelehmann9590 So sad that Mommy dearest didn't allow Christina to come home during holidays. but she was actually given the lesser of two evils. If she was allowed to go "home" it was likely she would be abused.
But Christina gave a different version in court documents/depositions in relation to contesting Joan's will. This all at the same time she was selling another version (her book Mommie Dearest) to a publisher. One is supposed to tell the truth in a court a deposition. Christina writes in her 1988 book Survivor that "The deposition was one of the most grueling and nerve-wracking experiences I'd ever had." This from a woman who claimed to have been abused for years by her mother, nearly strangled to death by her mother, and to have allegedly attempted suicide as a teenager. Yet, she says that a legal deposition at the age of 38 was one of her "most grueling" experiences. Ok.... **ChristinaCrawfordLied**
@samsonian9468 Oh, I see you basically ignore the flip-flopping she did. Christina also gave a version of their relationship for a 1960 Redbook magazine article too. The line of questioning in the 1978 deposition stemmed from the Redbook article. In that article, Christina never claimed Joan attacked her or strangled her. She simply said they had issues getting along, and Joan sent her back to school. Flash ahead to after Joan's death in 1977, Christina begins writing a version that later becomes the Mommie Dearest book. She sold the manuscript to a publisher in October 1977, but then the same month in court documents contesting Joan's will, she gives another version of her relationship with Joan. A few months later, in 1978, there was yet another version this time for court ordered depositions. Add it all up, and it's obvious Christina is lying in one of these versions.
@@Garsons-oq4lh Are you just going to ignore and pretend that she was not abused? Are you sympathasing with the devil? I'm sure she has had mental injury because of the abuse .... Joan Crawford may as well from her family, but you don't just ignore the past (which Joan was known for) one must get help and stop the abuse in the family line, which she did not because she only cared about the future of herself and her career. Very selfish woman.
@@samsonian9468 On May 9th, 1978, Christina Crawford signed and swore to the validity of the statements within a legal Bill of Particulars. In law, a Bill of Particulars is a sworn legal document by which a party has to explain the allegations in his/her complaint, or petition, in greater detail. This sworn document was requested by Joan Crawford's estate attorneys in regard to Christina's Objection To Probate of Joan's will. Initially, Christina, through her attorneys, fought to not submit a Bill of Particulars. Ultimately, Christina was forced to comply by court order. The estate's demand for a Bill of Particulars requested answers to 14 assertions made in Christina's October 24th, 1977 Objection To Probate. Christina only complied with supplying 4 answers in her Bill of Particulars. However, the answers Christina did supply are in direct contradiction to the allegations made in her memoir, "Mommie Dearest," and her subsequent interviews. **ChristinaCrawfordLied**
Christina is a proven liar. Her brother wasn't tied in his bed it was a harness to keep him safe. It's how they dealt with that then He was found outside roaming in the middle of the night. There are newspapers articles on it. She's lied so much it's been debunked. Christina was jealous of her mom. Christina has mental issues.
@@ih8utbeI still believe Joan Crawford had something to do with his death. She could have poisoned him. Crawford was from that era where they did those kinds of things.
Christina made the accusation in her book that Joan nearly strangled her to death if not for someone (a woman employee of Joan's) in the house with them that day to stop it. Christina put a name to this woman in her 20th anniversary edition as Billie. At what point on any of Christina's many television interviews did she offer this woman as a witness to corroborate her claim? The answer is not once. There was also not one solo print or television interview from this woman corroborating Christina's claim either. Christina also made no accusation of violence in her court documents contesting Joan's will or in 1960 interviews with Redbook magazine and Mike Wallace.
At the end, the audience member questioned the authenticity of these children’s experiences. I think this is because a lot of people try to live vicariously through the actors they see on a big screen. Their fantasy sees no evil in these people. Because of that limited amount of reality, they can actually contest the children’s life experience-based on living with the real life actor-while they or so they can maintain their imagined assumptions of the person, who, by the way, pretends to be a majorly of fictional characters as a career for earning a living.
Adoption agency would not let Joan Crawford adopt from them. That's why she went to the black market. Mary Tyler Moore made a movie about the woman who sold the children.
I agree I read both Detour & Lana's book. I found many different perceptions in both Mother/Daughter memories. Lana was not a present parent in Cheryl's life, her grandmother was. Lana wrote of vacations, movies & men. Lana was Hollywood self absorbed. Her daughter paid the price & forgave her.
@@lynntownsend4457 I don’t disagree. Facts from her book and Donahue interview from 1978 with her Larry King in 2001 differ; and she’s remembered her verbiage all those years later.
It's in Esther Williams' as-told-to autobiography how Esther and her husband Fernando Lamas believed Lana killed Stompanato while he was sleeping. Fernando theorized, correctly, I believe, if Johnny saw Cheryl coming at him with a knife, he would have thrown her out the window. The idea of a teenage girl offing a Mafia soldier is pretty far-fetched.
Honestly, if Lana did do it, I don't blame her. If someone threatened to kill me or my mother, and daughter, I would've tried to kill him too. But she would have gotten Cheryl to take the blame. Which is truly disgusting and unmotherly of Lana.
The beginning of that vid, I have a comment. She talks about her mother dating/marrying a lot of men, and the judgements made. Funny thing, Mae West had no trouble or care for what everyone else had to say about how many men she messed around with. All the way till her death, she slept with whoever she desired, and refused to cowtow to "norms". As for these women being strong and willing to speak up, I found it empowering and brave. We like to romanticize the hay days of Hollywierd, but things were just as hard for women then, as they are now.
Cant stand this phil Donahue. He provokes & very insensitive in the way he just isn't listening, just firing questions like bullits, waiting to dive in & even interrupting the ladies mid sentence. He absolutely means to be derogatory. These ladies suffered awful abuse by their mothers & in today's world famous or not, these terrible mothers today would be in prison. They were untouchable & sadly their daughters weren't.
i just listened to Christina reading her book after watching her first interview with Donohue. i always believed her, but the book left some holes and was not in chronological order, so it was confusing. i read in a comment that Bette Davis did not think the book was true. but Bette did not like Crawford at all. so that was confusing. what i finally concluded was that the publishers were in a great rush to publish and did not edit the writing at all. it needed an editor to bring it into continuity and give some reasoning to some of the things Christina did and thought. her explanation of her depression was so poignant and real. hers was way deeper and profound than mine. it seems as a child, she was very stubborn and, i think that and her intelligence (and the usual luck) is what pulled her through. She certainly had a good teacher in her “mother” as to throwing fits and anger. that was her only model her entire childhood. luckily she had some healthy time with the people in her boarding school for a while. Lana Turner seems like she was a caring, lovely woman who went through a lot of trauma herself. (Crawford was not a nice person at all. as she got older, she became an austere, stoney person to her daughter and in her roles on TV, which i saw when i was around 12. did not like her. liked everyone else - even Tallulah, who was marvelous. Christina is now 85 and i hope she is contented.
I read in 1999 Cathy LoLonde, one of the twins, sued Christina and won for public statements she wrongfully made about her. Christina said the twins weren't "real" twins and unlike her, who was legally adopted were bought on the black market, and Cathy was lyimg about being a twin. Christina said Joan just got two girls who looked alike and said they were twins to boost her career. When it went to court Christina was a no show.
I don't doubt that Christina probably was on the receiving end of SOME kind of abuse but the way the twins and their defense of Joan are consistently dismissed shows that some people desperately want the 1981 "Mommie Dearest" version to be 100% facts and true which even Christina has said it's not. And those familiar enough with this saga have also got a pretty good look at Christina's own behavior over the years. I just can't take people seriously when they ask us to venerate her like she's the original Elizabeth Smart or something...
@@jamesa.romano8500speaking from personal experience in my own family - my mom had 4 children and the 2nd born (my younger sister) got pretty much all the abuse from both my parents. It started basically from birth. I, however, am incredibly close with both my parents. The sad thing is, I think my sister was always stubborn and headstrong naturally and emotional…while the rest of my siblings were very docile and appeasing and compromising and not very emotional. I think this is why my sister was singled out, even at the age of 3. But also…I believe the abuse altered my sister for the worst. She is a liar…she is consumed with jealousy and revenge…she refuses to apologize when she is wrong…and she is often toxic to be around and has a scary temper. My parents say this justifies WHY she was singled out. They say she was ALWAYS this way and none of this has to do with their parenting. She was BORN difficult and unkind. I believed their narrative as a kid and even a young adult. Especially bc my sister seemed to hate me for no reason and was unkind to me. Now that I’m in my 30s and with kids of my own - I see everything so much differently. I see the incredible harshness and unfairness in the way they treated her. The abuse they gave to her at the age of 5 even. She is the way she is BECAUSE of their treatment of her and in response to her trauma. She lies, yes….and her perspective on reality can be very askew at times…and I don’t think we will ever be very close, but I KNOW that her abuse was real. If she were to write a book for money about the abuse of my parents - I would probably be inclined to say she is lying, mostly because I think it is plain wrong to air out my family’s dirty laundry for money. I love my parents and I don’t want their flaws on display for the world.
@@fromstockton11 The fact she was a no show in court says a lot about her character, and since the movie came out it was the younger generation that did not believe her story which is why it didn't do well at the box office. I was never convinced by her claims and I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle, especially since she released the book shortly after Joans' death. Her original interview with Donahue is more informative.
@@sherriianiro747 people are no-shows in court all the time. Where have you been? The attorney will be there to represent the defense or other party. It happens thousands of times a day across this country. It's why you hire an attorney. I would not have attended either. Minutia.
"[my mother and I] were always bound by the closest ties of filial and parental affection.” - Christina Crawford in a 1977 sworn legal Objection To Probate her mother's will. Christina soon gave a total alternate version of her relationship with her mother in her memoir, "Mommie Dearest," in 1978.
I believe Christina, and even her brother Christopher concurred with her account. Christopher was so traumatized he just didn't want anything to do with the limelight.
My cousins went to school with Christina & their father was horrible abusive to them & their mother. He was a star also. My family had several stars, I spent my childhood in the studios. My life was traumatic also.
I believe Lana’s lawyers concocted the story they needed to. Cheryl did whatever her mother wanted her to with regards to the trial. All the studio and Lana worried about was absolving Lana of blame.
@@carollee6963 no she wasn't!!! Stop watching a one sided movie made by a spoiled child. Christina tried in Hollywood and failed. Everyone said Christina was difficult to work with. Joan's twin daughters, secretary and close friends like Myrna Loy say no she was not abusive. The movie even proves how narcissistic Christina was. She didn't publish her book until her mother was dead. Why don't you do actual research like news paper articles showing Christopher escaping the house as a child and doctors then suggested a harness to keep him safe then his other issues. Christina even lied about what she was told by her mother's assistant. Joan never said dammit don't ask God to help me. That was made up by Christina. If you actually listen to Christina and read you'll see many discrepancies. Even a letter her mom wrote her wasn't mean. Christina talks on a radio show and says positive things about her mom. Even Faye dunaway who played Joan in the movie says she doesn't believe Christina's claims. Joan wasn't perfect as there is no such thing but it's unfair to lie and portray her as a monster when she wasn't. Watch Christina in interviews especially with Larry king live as you get older you can see through people like her.
Hmm, what I heard was that Lana Turner woke up and Johnny wasn’t in the bed and she heard some strange sounds and followed them to her daughter’s bedroom and found him on top of her daughter and stabbed him to death. Then the daughter took responsibility for killing him. That’s what I heard after Miss Turner died.
OK? Who gives a shit what you heard lmao, it doesnt make it true. The only three people who know what happened that night are Lana, Cheryl and Johnny. And the truth is probably close to what they said in court, people always just want things to be "juicer", "more exciting" and a "conspiracy" lol when real life is much less exciting than that. I bet you also one of those people who believe celebrities do :"satanic rituals" and are able to "sell their soul to the devil" lmaoooo
No that is not what happened. Lana Turner died many years ago, and Cheryl Crane is still telling the same story. Cheryl had been raped by a previous stepfather, and she said that Lana always set boundaries with other men after that. They were never alone with Cheryl or even innocently physical like a kiss on the cheek. A lot of people knew that Stompanato was abusive to Lana, but none of her friends made much effort to help her escape the relationship.... except Sean Connery who punched him once.
7/16/23: JC may have been a talented actress, but the truth is the truth. She was a tyrant and a child abuser, someone who needed professional help. Unfortunately, she didn't get it. I don't believe for a second that Christina lied about the way she and her brother were treated all those years. She couldn’t have made that shit up! JC knew how to turn it on for the cameras when people were watching, but what went on behind closed doors was another story, as can be said for MANY people, but was a very dark place in her case. As for the twins, they didn't undergo the abuse Christina and Christopher were subjected to (they came much later) so, of course, they're gonna defend their mother. And because of it, they inherited what should have been shared with Christina and Christopher. The woman on the phone was delusional. And, like the woman in the audience who was upset by Christina’s book, it's a shame that there are those who refuse to believe that JC was capable of her tyrannical and abusive behavior because of her fame. People who are famous make unbelievable mistakes too, as we have witnessed in some form or fashion over the years with many others! As far as corroborations to Christina’s story, as she indicated there were plenty who knew, but no one wanted to get involved, and that’s the problem with the world we live in today. People would rather turn a blind eye and deaf ear than to get involved in helping a child in an abusively desperate situation until it’s too late. I'm glad Christina wrote her book, which I read. I hope those who have experienced the unfortunate trauma Christina & Christopher did finds her book therapeutic. Despite Christina's stroke, she came out whole on the other side and I applaud her.
Christina gave a different version in court documents/depositions (in relation to contesting Joan's will) all the while she was selling another (her book MD) to a publisher. She writes in her later 1988 book Survivor that "The deposition was one of the most grueling and nerve-wracking experiences I'd ever had." This from a woman who claimed to have been abused for years by her mother, nearly strangled to death by her mother, and to have allegedly attempted suicide as a teenager. Yet, she says that a legal deposition at the age of 38 was one of her "most grueling" experiences. Ok.... ChristinaCrawfordLied
Christina was the "target child." I've read the book, and I believe it. Some people are so enamored of a celebrity, like the woman on the phone and the one in the audience, they refuse to belive the truth. As in the case of O.J.Simpson's acquittal, I recall one juror saying she didn't necessarily think he was innocent, but he had been such a great football star she couldn't find him guilty. If Joan Crawford had succeeded in killing Christina when she tried, fans like I've mentioned would surely have acquitted her. No wonder they call them idols.
@@wilmamcphail4686 Christina made the accusation in her book that Joan nearly strangled her to death if not for someone (a woman employee of Joan's) in the house with them that day to stop it. Christina put a name to this woman in her 20th anniversary edition as Billie. At what point on any of Christina's many television interviews did she offer this woman as a witness to corroborate her claim? The answer is not once. Neither was there a solo print or television interview from Billie corroborating Christina's claim, either. Christina also made no accusation of violence in her court documents contesting Joan's will or in a 1960 interview with Redbook magazine.
I actually thought Crawford overacted. She had starred in garbage movies and had never been nominated once for an Oscar until her breakthrough at age 40 in Mildred Pierce, and even that was an overacting job. And while Bette Davis got the nomination nod for Whatever Happened To Baby Jane?, Crawford got passed over yet again.
I think Christina Crawford is and was absolutely BRILLIANT and so COURAGEOUS for telling the truth of what happened to her. And the caller from 11yrs prior, that ripped Christina’s book apart was so disrespectful. She was commenting on the image of the Joan Crawford screen actress. Just more proof that the actors on screen are people too.
Christina told an entirely different story of her relationship with her mother in various sworn legal documents, and in two 1978, sworn court ordered depositions. This at the same time she was peddling her manuscript to a publisher and releasing it to the public. Excerpts were released which prompted the court ordered depositions. Christina made the accusation in her book that Joan in a fit of rage nearly strangled her to death, yet in the deposition over the course of 7 pages she feigns ignorance of the event. Makes one wonder. Well, was she telling the truth in her book or under oath. The whole point of a deposition is to tell the truth.
Kirk Douglas said he saw the kids tied up Betty Grable, Natalie Schaffer, June Allison, Lana Turner all spoke up in Christina’s defense…. And that’s just off the top of my head
Christina made the accusation in her book that Joan nearly strangled her to death if not for someone (a woman employee of Joan's) in the house with them that day to stop it. Christina put a name to this woman in her 20th anniversary edition as Billie. At what point on any of Christina's many television interviews did she offer this woman as a witness to corroborate her claim? The answer is not once. There was also not one solo print or television interview from this woman corroborating Christina's claim either. Christina also made no accusation of violence in her court documents contesting Joan's will or in 1960 interviews with Redbook magazine and Mike Wallace.
@@Garsons-oq4lh Christina forgot a lot of stuff as a result of the stroke she endured. She beat her with hangers, hairbrushes and with her hands. A lot of her torture was psychological; abandonment, rage, fury, neglect, disdain, humiliation, solitary confinement, etc. She would tie Christopher to a bed, naked and leave him there with the lights off until someone found him. Joan Crawford was a was a demon possessed psychopath who should have went to prison for life for what she did to those kids. Many many witnesses testimonials have surfaced now. Here's one more: www.thestacksreader.com/the-troubling-truth-about-joan-crawford/ 21:49
It was actually lana Turner that gutted Johnny. She would have lost her career in Hollywood and went to prison for life had she admitted to the murder. Cheryl was a minor and her lawyers claimed it was self defense so all she did was go to juvenile hall for a while. Cheryl took the fall for her mom. She was the fall girl. The Hollywood clean up people were there with attorneys, etc and were the first to see the bloody scene. " She gutted him" is what one attorney said. They got rid of the mattress that was soaked with his blood and placed his body away from the bed and on the floor. If you notice the black and white photos where he lies on the ground, there is no blood anywhere around him. He had bled to death on the mattress. Lana had come home and found them both in bed, asleep, naked. She went to the kitchen and grabbed the butcher knife that ended his life. Lana did it. Read Eric Root book. That was her hairdresser. The blond haired gentleman you see her with during the last years of her life. She instructed him to write and tell everyone that she did it after she had passed away. The Hollywood community suspected it was her even back then.
@@Jenwinter85 several places. research , research, research. Read Erik Root Biography. Read newspaper clipping from that time. The hollywood comm knew the truth.
@@fromstockton11 Eric Root is not reliable. He published that book weeks after Lana's death. He also claimed that Sharon Tate was planning a birthday party for him on the night of August 8, 1969, when there was no party planned. Moreover, the knife that killed Stompanato was inserted upside down (sharp side up) indicating that the person who held the knife didn't know how to handle them. Cheryl was rarely allowed in the kitchen and she had only handled butter knives. Also, a charm bracelet Cheryl was wearing was found outside of the door of Lana's bedroom.
@@Muirmaiden everything you just wrote is hearsay and not mentioned anywhere in writing. Eric Root knew Lana for many years. He was her hairdresser and travel companion and lover. The position of the knife is irrelevant. The charm bracelet location means absolutely nothing
@@fromstockton11 No, it's not hearsay. Eric Root claimed in an interview that Sharon Tate was planning a birthday party for him. Everything else I wrote was from other sources (in writing), including Cheryl Crane's autobiography. Do research before you accuse someone else of not doing that.
How wild that Cheryl Crane astutely names her teen rebellion in the face of childhood SA trauma as self punishment and yet she is oblivious that she is contently settled into self harming in the most extreme and costly way possible.
CHRISTINA CRAWFORD, and her attorneys, refused to furnish Joan Crawford's attorneys with a copy of the "Mommie Dearest" manuscript during Christina's contest of the will. Even after the court ordered Christina to provide the manuscript, she categorically REFUSED. Why would Christina refuse? Perhaps because Christina Crawford's February 1978 sworn deposition is in total and complete contrast from what she alleged in "Mommie Dearest" only seven months later, in October 1978. When "New York" magazine published Christina's "Mommie Dearest" article in September 1978, which is a condensed version of Christina's book, Joan Crawford's attorneys petitioned the court for a SECOND deposition of Christina Crawford. On the day of Christina's scheduled second deposition, 39-year-old Christina complained of "chest pains" and did not attend the deposition, and then literally FLED the state.
You know why people dis liked Christina, you have to view this like that generation did. First think of your favorite actress that is alive today...you got it?? Ok, now picture them having a daughter and this whole time you thought things were great, because of pictures and interviews, like youve seen decades of this! Now picture that actress is now old and died. Then the daughter writes a truth book about your beloved actress....you got that feeling??? Well thats why they didnt like Christina. Then you got the newer generation who see the truth, but you still cant see it because you've been brainwashed by years of fake pictures and fake interviews. Well, im the new generation and I believe Christina.❤ This is like if Beyonce's daughter or Micheal Jackson's kids coming out with truth books after the celebrites have died. They would get countless hate by millenials, but Gen Alpha would see the truth for what it really is.
Not really. On the contrary most of the people that did not believe her were the boomers, that's why the movie failed at the box office because she wasn't credible. She made conflicting statements in her depositions too.
None of us know what happened with Lana Turner because her daughter took the blame. I would like to see her daughter take a lie detector test to clear her name.
There were rumors that Lana actually stabbed Stompanato and Cheryl didn't want to damage her mother's career. But I would hope Ms. Turner would not let her daughter do that.
@nassauguy48 that would've caused controversy. If the public knew that she was in a relationship with that type of man, she possibly would've had her career down the drain. In those days, you didn't publicize such things. It would've ruined her career. Plus the guy, Johnny, had ties with Mickey Cohen and he was very dangerous and a notorious gangster. So if Johnny was arrested, mickey would've been exposed too. And maybe, they would've went after Lana and Cheryl. They could've been killed.
@nassauguy48 plus Johnny threatened her that if she ever left him, he would've had her and her daughter cut up into pieces. So she was basically stuck and scared to death. She didn't want to have herself dead or her daughter dead
Wonder how they weee able to take that court footage as it was not allowed back then…. This is a fascinating interview. DONAHUE was the best daytime TV talk show show ever.
Sure, and they were probably paid well by the tabloids to make up a story like that. The court files and crime photos are still accessible, and match the story given by Lana and her daughter. If Lana had stabbed Stompanato, people would have said she'd lied to cover for her daughter.
Joan Crawford gave all of the Christmas gifts to Charity and made her children aware of the cruelty towards them. Charity is a great thing but that was not Christian of her but rather pure Evil.
I suspect Joan also had Bipolar Disorder. With her traumatic childhood, it would not be surprising. She was terribly scarred and did not know how to mother. The adoptions were all for "image "
There are a ton of presentables who emit hate in one direction so others don't see who they really are. I don't mind being the target because it does adversely effect their lives when their withholds are confronted. Simply because I exist.
The difference between the two is Cheryl loved and protected her mother. Christina on the other hand did everything she could to destroy and ruin her mother's name!
I would like the two first Crawford siblings to take a DNA test. I bet they are her real kids. Celebrities of that day adopted thier own kids as a cover.
CHRISTINA CRAWFORD, and her attorneys, refused to furnish Joan Crawford's attorneys with a copy of the "Mommie Dearest" manuscript during Christina's contest of the will. Even after the court ordered Christina to provide the manuscript, she categorically REFUSED. Why would Christina refuse? Perhaps because Christina Crawford's February 1978 sworn deposition is in total and complete contrast from what she alleged in "Mommie Dearest" only seven months later, in October 1978. When "New York" magazine published Christina's "Mommie Dearest" article in September 1978, which is a condensed version of Christina's book, Joan Crawford's attorneys petitioned the court for a SECOND deposition of Christina Crawford. On the day of Christina's scheduled second deposition, 39-year-old Christina complained of "chest pains" and did not attend the deposition, and then literally FLED the state.
@@haintedhouse2990 Christina told an entirely DIFFERENT story of her relationship with her mother in various sworn legal documents, and in TWO 1978, sworn court ordered depositions. All this at the same time she was setting in motion her book to be published. Excerpts were released which led to Christina to be court-ordered to the depositions. She was repeatedly questioned about the strangulation she endured at Joan's hands yet over seven pages of deposition she feigns ignorance. Also of note is the fact that never in all the years Christina told that story did the woman who was there (Billie) ever provide testimony confirming it (no statement or anything did Christina get from the woman).
Christina moved to Idaho in a town north of me by a few miles. Got on the Commissioner boards and everyone hated her. She wanted to stop logging, mining, ranching, a true CA entitled brat.
It's true that others may be aware of the abuse but stay out of it. Case in point John Philips abuse of his daughter Makenzie. A number of celebs at the time ( including the always stoned step- mom Michelle ) stated in interviews that they were aware of whatJohhn was doing to his daughter. Hence, Lana's comment to Cheryl about the book.
I don’t think Joan Crawford was a bad person or an evil one. I think Joan Crawford was a damaged person, who had survived horrific things. I think she loved her children desperately, but wasn’t capable of being anyone’s mother, when the first two children were adopted. I think she was a lot more stable when she had the twins, so of course they had a different mother. Look at Bing Crosby’s kids. His kids from his first marriage had a totally different father, than his two kids from his second marriage…
I do believe that she may have been very strict and may have smacked them a few times when they misbehaved, but nothing severe. Joan grew up with a mother that didn't care about her and she resented that she never got proper love. The only love she really received was from her fans. She loved being loved, I think. Her devotion to her fans was extraordinary.
Thank you Phil for being so respectful and compassionate. I have seen Christina treated horribly while being interviewed.
respectful? are you crazy? listen to the questioning Cheryl
Abusing a child is one of the worst things you could do in life. I consider myself a strong personality with an iron will....but I'm still crushed emotionally when I get flashbacks of abuse that happened to me. It's an open wound that stays with you forever and really never heals. The flashbacks make that a fact. You can get therapy and you can contextualize the abuse with the mind of an adult in an attempt to take away it's control over you, but the wounds go deep into the abyss of your mind and soul.
Traditional talk therapy for my childhood trauma made me feel worse. I finally came to realize that rehatching the trauma by talking about it ad-nauseam was holding me back. Focusing on the symptoms and writing as opposed to talking has done me a world of good.
Thank you! I was abused to such a degree that my innate potential was suppressed to the point of lifelong emotional disability. 😢
@@lynnbaker2336Same here Lynn. My life has been completely stunted by my experiences. There are so many things I wish I could have done, but never had the confidence. I've always felt as though there's something bad going to happen, around every corner. It doesn't seem to matter how hard you work on yourself, or how tough you try to be. It's so deeply ingrained that it pulls you totally out of shape & you don't really know who you are anymore.
@gaysy1st I can relate. I'm so sorry for your trauma. The only thing that you can do is try to mitigate the damage 💔 😢 as much as possible. My issues were so serious that I was actually homeless for a time, due to my functioning ability being so impaired. But, there has been improvement, and, contextually, I've actually done pretty well. Wishing you the best in the future. Send me a friend request!
Lana fue una buena persona,dejo su mansión al ama de llaves que siempre estuvo a su lado.❤
Cheryl is a beautiful lady. She has overcome so much. I'm glad she has a better relationship with her mother.
read Eric root book. he said Lana pretty much ignored the daughter for the rest of her life because of a serious illness Cheryl obtained and had to have a complete blood transfusion. after wards Lana said it was not her daughter anymore after that, "who knows who's blood she got!". Lana left the bulk of her estate, jewels and mink furs to her housekeeper.
@@SunsetBoulevard111Lana's former manager, Taylor Pero, said that Eric Root is a pathetic hanger-on who published the book days after Lana's death. Cheryl saw that Root was taking advantage of her mother and cut off his access to her .
@@SunsetBoulevard111no her jewelry was inherited by Cheryl
The part when Cheryl mother Lana said we didn’t speak about negative stuff about our fellow celebrities is why I believe Christina and remember sexual inappropriate things were done to Shirley temple starting when she was a child that is now being talked about but not said for all this years and the documentary called pretty baby about the sexual exploitation and assault regarding Brooke shields that after decades she is just now talking about. Frankly Christina showed a great deal of courage speaking out when she did.
Well said.
Christina gave a different version in court documents/depositions, all the while she was selling another version in her book to a publisher. She writes in her later book Survivor (1988) that "The deposition was one of the most grueling and nerve-wracking experiences I'd ever had."
This from a woman who claimed to have been abused for years by her mother, nearly strangled to death by her mother, and to have allegedly attempted suicide as a teenager. Yet, she says that a legal deposition at the age of 38 was one of her "most grueling" experiences. Ok....
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@@Garsons-oq4lh Depend on which side you want to believe, if the depositions involve reliving the memory of her supposedly abusive relationship with her mom, then it is plausible that it is "most grueling".
I believe Christina Crawford too
Lana turner was a great actress like Marilyn Monroe but people never gave them credit for their great talent because they were both so beautiful!
Lana got an Oscar nod (Peyton Place); Marilyn deserved it for Bus Stop. So sad that beauty raised both to stardom, then crippled their wide perception.
@@arnepianocanada I feel like Lana's career has finally come under a closer examination over the last couple decades, where Marilyn's own resurgence came much earlier in the late 70's with Second Wave feminism/Madonna's popularity. It was much easier to dismiss Lana and her films as superficial in her own lifetime even if her work in the 1950's alone shows that she was willing to go outside of her comfort zone
Lana was nominatied for a oscar but never received one
Marilyn was never nominatied
They both became great actresses when they got older
Cheryl Crane looks so healthy
Cheryl’s book was very good
This interview hit deep on me. I can relate to Mrs. Lana Turner to some degree.
Never saw this episode when it first aired. By today's standards, it was ahead of its time.
Cheryl is beautiful, so much like her mother.
I've always believed Christina. Joan's childhood was horrifying and I doubt she ever processed those traumas. We know now that abuse like that tends to be cyclical unless a victim is aware and gets help to heal themselves.
Something else, I was abused in the foster care system, and not only did the abuser seem unaware of her own abuse, but those around her, who knew, either directly or indirectly, of her abuse, acted as though every thing was perfectly normal.
@JoJo-ie8sl
How exactly was Joan's childhood horrifying? If you're under that belief of Joan being molested by her stepfather, then you are wrong. She wasn't. Joan Crawford stated in her 1962 autobiography that in her teens, a man named Harry Hough (a male friend of her mother’s) was inappropriate with her but not her stepfather.
That too crossed my mind bcuz l read about her childhood too and it was terrible. The only thing is Tina apparently was the only one singled out. The other 2 girls said she was great. However christopher backs up Tina and had his own abusive accounts. He or the twins have no reason to lie so all of their experiences are probably true bcuz of age differences. Joan cud have been mean in a certain period of her life then mellowed out as time went on. Who knows
@deniawiseone95 how exactly was Joan's childhood terrible?
Christopher suffered from what we know today as ADHD. His daughter had children that followed the pattern. But Christopher for instance was harnessed in bed at night at the recommendation of a doctor because he would get up in the middle of the night and wander outside.
@@Garsons-oq4lh Didn't Joan say the family struggled between Anna's husbands, Anna favored Hal, treated joan like a servant and joan was sent to schools where she was mistreated? Didn't Joan tell a story about working at a school and being beaten with a broom and thrown down the stairs? In her own voice in My way of Life?? That sounds horrifying to me.
I love Cheryl. Her book Detour is excellent. I also believe Christina. Very strong ladies.
Cheryl Crane had a rough time with Killing that monster and I believe that she would have done it again if it meant protecting her mother. She had so much to deal with when she was younger and it’s so nice to see her healthy whole and still a devoted daughter to her legendary mother, Lana Turner.
I believe Christina always have
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Poor you
I believe Christina Crawford too.
It seems these ladies put their men before their children.
Pretty common back then
I agree that was the programming then.
Lana threw out Lex Barker and filed for divorce as soon as she found out what he was doing to Cheryl. She did put her daughter first. With Stompanato, she was trying to get him out of her life.
@@Muirmaiden Lana also threatened to shoot Lex Barker if he ever touched Cheryl again .
@@Muirmaiden
Yes after 3 years of sexual abuse. And then she took nieuw boyfriend, Italian gangster, very wel known in Hollywood. Imagine you have 13 year old daughter, who was raped en sexually abused and you go on with your career en love life. But no therapy or quality time for your doughter. Cheryl went to live with her father after proces. I don't think Lana was bad person, I think it was very difficult for women in those days and Lana couldn't live without man. And that's why you could say, man was more important than child. But no judgement. Lana was herself very unhappy.
It's documented that's there's often a "target child" in dysfunctional families when one (or both) parent(s) aren't wired up right. Usually (as in my case), it's the child that won't pretend that everything is OK behind closed doors - despite that being the image the parent(s) want to present to the world.
The article below appeared in Vanity Fair some years ago:
"In 1952, I was enrolled in the fifth grade as a scholarship student at Chadwick School, in Rolling Hills, California. To help defray costs, my mother served as a secretary to the school’s founder and headmistress, Mrs. Margaret Lee Chadwick. At that time, both Christopher and Christina Crawford were students at Chadwick, Christopher in fourth grade and Christina in eighth. Christina also worked as a cleaning girl in Mrs. Chadwick’s home.
Joan would call the school extremely agitated and disturbed at times when my mother was working the switchboard. She would scream into the phone, demanding that one or the other of her children be put on the line immediately. On one of these occasions, my mother, who was partially disabled, explained to her that the entire school was at an assembly in the auditorium (a building half a mile away across the large campus) and that she was physically unable to go and get Christina to speak to her. Joan became enraged and began berating my mother and using foul language in the most offensive way.
Often, both Crawford children were not picked up for the alternating weekends when boarding children returned home. Faculty would be forced to host them. Mrs. Chadwick was so sympathetic to the plight of Christina that she confided to my mother that she actually wanted to adopt Christina. Mrs. Chadwick pushed this goal for some time but was told that the fledgling school could not afford the publicity that would inevitably ensue from trying to blow the whistle on Joan Crawford and take one of her children away from her. Christina did not return to Chadwick the next year. For the rest of my childhood, I could not stand to watch Joan Crawford movies, because I knew this woman’s true character.
Many conflicting portraits of the Crawfords’ family life have been revealed to the public over the years. However, when all of these events were actually transpiring, it was common knowledge at Chadwick that the Crawford twins, who have gone on to defend their “Mommie” so vehemently, were favored by Joan and not treated with the callousness or abuse that Christopher and Christina endured. Christina is a gentle woman, and several years after her book was published she suffered a stroke which caused her to be unable to remember many of the painful things that had happened to her. I, however, will never forget.” -MARCIA CADEN, Beverly Hills, California".
It's called scapegoating. Remove that child & any remaining sibling is then selected & focused on as the new scapegoat .
That's really interesting. I've always felt different from my two Sisters, which I thought was because I'm the middle child. But I was always the rebellious one, running away from home, more than once. Playing up in school. Neither of my Sister's caused any problems. Our Mum had left home when I was 11 & there were some really nasty fights between our parents, plus Mum's Dad dying, leading up to her leaving. My brain was all over the place. But from what you said, perhaps I was the target child because I acted out so much.
Yep the scapegoat. I've dealt with it for a long time. My mom is a narcissist and that's how they operate.
Yes it's called Scapegoat abuse . The Scapegoat child being raised by a narcissist. I was the Scapegoat. The family system throws all their crap /unhealed trauma onto the Scapegoat who is the TRUTH TELLER ( yup that was me when I exposed the uncle who molested me and boy oh boy my mother denied it and destroyed my life making my siblings hate me as she controlled the narrative and made me into the monster !) ... it is HORRIBLE to live through being subjected to generations of unhealed trauma onto 1 person! I have 3 siblings and my mother pitted them all against me always playing the victim . She did despicable things to me throughout my life and I suffered in silence as I was programmed to stay silent and everyone just thinks she is the most amazing person . She turned many people against me who I tried Turning to for help /support as suffering in silence ends up in suicide bc you feel so alienated and Alone . I overdosed on advil at age 28 and my family acted like there was nothing wrong and nobody ever asked me why I wanted to hurt myself . That's the basis of dysfunction- there is a huge problem but they all act like there is no/aren't any problems and you feel crazy !!! I've lived in suicide ideation most my adult life and now I understand it's when I'm severely triggered to my childhood abuse/neglect which by age 4 i was a very lonely, invisible little girl
Faye Dunaway played her role extremely well in Mommy Dearest. This movie was so good. I feel sad for her daughter in the movie. She beat the heck out of her.
I thought that Faye dunaway was excellent as Joan crawford.i. have mommie dearest on DVD.i treasure the movie.i am glad it was made.to me it is a powerful and important look at family violence and dysfunction.
After joan crawford was dead she could say what she liked she should have said it in life, the twins denied Christina's story christina also promised her brother half the proceeds from the book if he agreed with her and then she changed her mind so he spoke out against the book and christina also admitted they went overboard with the script for dramatic effect the film was an over acted pile of rubbish.
I believe Faye Danaway should get Oscar for this role. I am saying it as an abusive child. All the scenes were absolutely realistic. This is how it looks like in some families behind closed doors. And everybody has to know it, believe or not!
@@ИмяФамилия-ы5г: Especially when Bipolar Disorder is involved. Joan's behavior/rages is red flags for Bipolar.....and Narcissism.😔
3:28 I cannot get over the casual way in which he inquires her about rape
It was the 80’s. Get over it
Goodness, yes - I agree with you. Reporters / presenters have learned a lot more about appropriate enquiry ( I think) nowadays. Seems there’s more understanding of extreme trauma.
@@clarissamoll666 You are an idiot.
He was extremely insensitive 😢
@@clairalouisa Phil Donahue was known to be very sensitive, but he wasn't perfect. remember men are not as sensitive as woman, but he really tried, and in turn was able to land Marlo Thomas as his soulmate, rip Phil Donahue.
When Christina speaks, she reminds me of Glenn Close.
Especially in her Fatal Attraction roll.
I believe both ladies.
But Christina gave a different version in court documents/depositions in relation to contesting Joan's will. At the same time she was selling another version (her book Mommie Dearest) to a publisher. One is supposed to tell the truth in a deposition.
Christina writes in her 1988 book Survivor that "The deposition was one of the most grueling and nerve-wracking experiences I'd ever had."
This from a woman who claimed to have been abused for years by her mother, nearly strangled to death by her mother, and to have allegedly attempted suicide as a teenager. Yet, she says that a legal deposition at the age of 38 was one of her "most grueling" experiences. Ok....
ChristinaCrawfordLied
I admire Christina Crawford.
Cheryl Crane is stunning.
Cheryl cranes story, to me, is sad and horrible. Cheryl really loved her mother, that she actually risked her life to save her mother from Johnny Stompanato. Tho Cheryl never wanted to kill him by purpose but did it accidentally. It's weird that so many people still say that Cheryl took the blame for her mother, but Cheryl said that even if she did take the blame and it was her mother who killed him, she would of told everybody she took the rap.
I believe Cheryl's story.
She could have called the police. I wonder where Cheryl was when Johnny told Lana He would cut her face.
@@itravisoni She was in her room when she heard it. After she heard it, she was so scared for her mother's sake and hers, so she did the only thing that a kid would do for they're mother/ father.
@Toni Travisoni If Cheryl did call the police, Johnny would have been arrested, but keep in mind this guy was super dangerous. He said that no matter what he would find a way to find Lana and he would have gotten Cheryl kidnapped and chopped up into pieces
@@pennywise6266 I wonder if Cheryl heard everything Johnny said to Lana. Mysteries and Scandals said that Cheryl heard Him then went into the kitchen to grab the knife.
@@itravisoni Yeah, she did hear everything bc he was shouting at her. And that's why Cheryl got a knife to protect herself and her mother.
These people are so brave movie stars live on another planet
Hello 👋 how are you doing?
Christina is the only one left. Christopher and the twins have passed
Wow
And they were younger than her.
The twins, Cathy and Cindy, say that Christina is a liar. They also said that Joan Crawford was a good mother.
They died relatively early.
@@lynnbaker2336 The twins died in 2007 and 2020. Christopher in 2006.
This is an interesting "behind the scenes" look at classic Hollywood.
I believe Christina because I know a woman named Carolyn who went to a Catholic boarding school with Christina. Joan Crawford was remote, unavailable, preoccupied, and not much of a nurturing mother to Christina.
Joan Crawford basically dumped Christina at the boarding school and she was not allowed to come home, even during holidays…
Joan was a Narcissist
@@rhondablack8079 OK, doc.
@@katherinelehmann9590 So sad that Mommy dearest didn't allow Christina to come home during holidays. but she was actually given the lesser of two evils. If she was allowed to go "home" it was likely she would be abused.
@@loralieisa,
She did go home on holidays. Very often we'd see Joan Crawford and children do a holiday greeting on television. Christina was there.
I never was a Joan Crawford fan and I believe Christina. I know from a friend of mine that a mother can abuse one child and not the other.
But Christina gave a different version in court documents/depositions in relation to contesting Joan's will. This all at the same time she was selling another version (her book Mommie Dearest) to a publisher. One is supposed to tell the truth in a court a deposition.
Christina writes in her 1988 book Survivor that "The deposition was one of the most grueling and nerve-wracking experiences I'd ever had."
This from a woman who claimed to have been abused for years by her mother, nearly strangled to death by her mother, and to have allegedly attempted suicide as a teenager. Yet, she says that a legal deposition at the age of 38 was one of her "most grueling" experiences. Ok....
**ChristinaCrawfordLied**
@@Garsons-oq4lh The word "grueling" means extremely tiring and demanding. I do believe Christina.
@samsonian9468
Oh, I see you basically ignore the flip-flopping she did.
Christina also gave a version of their relationship for a 1960 Redbook magazine article too.
The line of questioning in the 1978 deposition stemmed from the Redbook article. In that article, Christina never claimed Joan attacked her or strangled her. She simply said they had issues getting along, and Joan sent her back to school. Flash ahead to after Joan's death in 1977, Christina begins writing a version that later becomes the Mommie Dearest book. She sold the manuscript to a publisher in October 1977, but then the same month in court documents contesting Joan's will, she gives another version of her relationship with Joan. A few months later, in 1978, there was yet another version this time for court ordered depositions.
Add it all up, and it's obvious Christina is lying in one of these versions.
@@Garsons-oq4lh Are you just going to ignore and pretend that she was not abused? Are you sympathasing with the devil? I'm sure she has had mental injury because of the abuse .... Joan Crawford may as well from her family, but you don't just ignore the past (which Joan was known for) one must get help and stop the abuse in the family line, which she did not because she only cared about the future of herself and her career. Very selfish woman.
@@samsonian9468 On May 9th, 1978, Christina Crawford signed and swore to the validity of the statements within a legal Bill of Particulars. In law, a Bill of Particulars is a sworn legal document by which a party has to explain the allegations in his/her complaint, or petition, in greater detail. This sworn document was requested by Joan Crawford's estate attorneys in regard to Christina's Objection To Probate of Joan's will.
Initially, Christina, through her attorneys, fought to not submit a Bill of Particulars. Ultimately, Christina was forced to comply by court order.
The estate's demand for a Bill of Particulars requested answers to 14 assertions made in Christina's October 24th, 1977 Objection To Probate. Christina only complied with supplying 4 answers in her Bill of Particulars. However, the answers Christina did supply are in direct contradiction to the allegations made in her memoir, "Mommie Dearest," and her subsequent interviews.
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I admire both Christina and Cheryl but can’t say the same for their mothers.At least Cheryl had a responsible father, not so poor Christina.
Christina is a proven liar. Her brother wasn't tied in his bed it was a harness to keep him safe. It's how they dealt with that then He was found outside roaming in the middle of the night. There are newspapers articles on it. She's lied so much it's been debunked. Christina was jealous of her mom. Christina has mental issues.
I admire Christina Crawford.
Christina had a father but they divorced or died. Phillip Terry and Alfred Steele.
@@ih8utbeI still believe Joan Crawford had something to do with his death. She could have poisoned him. Crawford was from that era where they did those kinds of things.
Christina Crawford is speaking the truth and I agree with her and abuse is not a lie.
Christina made the accusation in her book that Joan nearly strangled her to death if not for someone (a woman employee of Joan's) in the house with them that day to stop it. Christina put a name to this woman in her 20th anniversary edition as Billie. At what point on any of Christina's many television interviews did she offer this woman as a witness to corroborate her claim? The answer is not once.
There was also not one solo print or television interview from this woman corroborating Christina's claim either.
Christina also made no accusation of violence in her court documents contesting Joan's will or in 1960 interviews with Redbook magazine and Mike Wallace.
I believe Christina Crawford too
At the end, the audience member questioned the authenticity of these children’s experiences. I think this is because a lot of people try to live vicariously through the actors they see on a big screen. Their fantasy sees no evil in these people. Because of that limited amount of reality, they can actually contest the children’s life experience-based on living with the real life actor-while they or so they can maintain their imagined assumptions of the person, who, by the way, pretends to be a majorly of fictional characters as a career for earning a living.
Remember that saying? "Never meet your heroes."
They are actors; they are not the characters they play.
I really miss this show. I watch phil Donahue for many year!
I did like the show, but Phil became so arrogant over the years, that I couldn’t watch him any longer!
Its horrible that Joan Crawford was allowed to purchase her children. It should not have been permitted. June Allyson did too.
They still do today.
Adoption agency would not let Joan Crawford adopt from them. That's why she went to the black market. Mary Tyler Moore made a movie about the woman who sold the children.
@@ginawhiteley8834 Are you implying Joan was in cahoots with the perpetrators or was even aware for that matter? The adoptions were all done legally.
@@Garsons-oq4lh I read the books and saw the movie. So I just know what anyone else knows by reading the book and watching the movie 🎬.
@@ginawhiteley8834 You didn't answer the question.
Cheryl's book was very good. She has such a healthy decent perspective.
I agree I read both Detour & Lana's book. I found many different perceptions in both Mother/Daughter memories. Lana was not a present parent in Cheryl's life, her grandmother was. Lana wrote of vacations, movies & men. Lana was Hollywood self absorbed. Her daughter paid the price & forgave her.
Christina’s younger sisters deny all of this, but they were also 9 years younger than her.
As do many other people.... Christina lied about facts and scenarios and inflated facts
@@lynntownsend4457 I don’t disagree. Facts from her book and Donahue interview from 1978 with her Larry King in 2001 differ; and she’s remembered her verbiage all those years later.
I truly believe it was Miss Lana Turner who did it.
It's in Esther Williams' as-told-to autobiography how Esther and her husband Fernando Lamas believed Lana killed Stompanato while he was sleeping. Fernando theorized, correctly, I believe, if Johnny saw Cheryl coming at him with a knife, he would have thrown her out the window. The idea of a teenage girl offing a Mafia soldier is pretty far-fetched.
I don't.
@@akrenwinkle exactly! It was all a set up! Where can I read or watch that theory?
That could be true. She wouldn't have went to prison because of what Johnny threatened Her life.
Honestly, if Lana did do it, I don't blame her. If someone threatened to kill me or my mother, and daughter, I would've tried to kill him too. But she would have gotten Cheryl to take the blame. Which is truly disgusting and unmotherly of Lana.
Thank you for sharing.i enjoy christina crawford.
I miss Phil Donahue.
yes, he was a true hero. Kind, real and so sharp with compassion wherever it was warrented. sooo beautiful. we need more like him
His passed away now
Cheryl is lovely
Hello 👋how are you doing?
Cheryl is very beautiful and classy , I can't stand Christina
The beginning of that vid, I have a comment. She talks about her mother dating/marrying a lot of men, and the judgements made. Funny thing, Mae West had no trouble or care for what everyone else had to say about how many men she messed around with. All the way till her death, she slept with whoever she desired, and refused to cowtow to "norms".
As for these women being strong and willing to speak up, I found it empowering and brave.
We like to romanticize the hay days of Hollywierd, but things were just as hard for women then, as they are now.
Cant stand this phil Donahue. He provokes & very insensitive in the way he just isn't listening, just firing questions like bullits, waiting to dive in & even interrupting the ladies mid sentence. He absolutely means to be derogatory. These ladies suffered awful abuse by their mothers & in today's world famous or not, these terrible mothers today would be in prison.
They were untouchable & sadly their daughters weren't.
i just listened to Christina reading her book after watching her first interview with Donohue. i always believed her, but the book left some holes and was not in chronological order, so it was confusing. i read in a comment that Bette Davis did not think the book was true. but Bette did not like Crawford at all. so that was confusing. what i finally concluded was that the publishers were in a great rush to publish and did not edit the writing at all. it needed an editor to bring it into continuity and give some reasoning to some of the things Christina did and thought.
her explanation of her depression was so poignant and real. hers was way deeper and profound than mine. it seems as a child, she was very stubborn and, i think that and her intelligence (and the usual luck) is what pulled her through. She certainly had a good teacher in her “mother” as to throwing fits and anger. that was her only model her entire childhood. luckily she had some healthy time with the people in her boarding school for a while.
Lana Turner seems like she was a caring, lovely woman who went through a lot of trauma herself. (Crawford was not a nice person at all. as she got older, she became an austere, stoney person to her daughter and in her roles on TV, which i saw when i was around 12. did not like her. liked everyone else - even Tallulah, who was marvelous.
Christina is now 85 and i hope she is contented.
I read in 1999 Cathy LoLonde, one of the twins, sued Christina and won for public statements she wrongfully made about her. Christina said the twins weren't "real" twins and unlike her, who was legally adopted were bought on the black market, and Cathy was lyimg about being a twin. Christina said Joan just got two girls who looked alike and said they were twins to boost her career. When it went to court Christina was a no show.
I don't doubt that Christina probably was on the receiving end of SOME kind of abuse but the way the twins and their defense of Joan are consistently dismissed shows that some people desperately want the 1981 "Mommie Dearest" version to be 100% facts and true which even Christina has said it's not. And those familiar enough with this saga have also got a pretty good look at Christina's own behavior over the years. I just can't take people seriously when they ask us to venerate her like she's the original Elizabeth Smart or something...
@@jamesa.romano8500speaking from personal experience in my own family - my mom had 4 children and the 2nd born (my younger sister) got pretty much all the abuse from both my parents. It started basically from birth. I, however, am incredibly close with both my parents.
The sad thing is, I think my sister was always stubborn and headstrong naturally and emotional…while the rest of my siblings were very docile and appeasing and compromising and not very emotional. I think this is why my sister was singled out, even at the age of 3. But also…I believe the abuse altered my sister for the worst. She is a liar…she is consumed with jealousy and revenge…she refuses to apologize when she is wrong…and she is often toxic to be around and has a scary temper.
My parents say this justifies WHY she was singled out. They say she was ALWAYS this way and none of this has to do with their parenting. She was BORN difficult and unkind. I believed their narrative as a kid and even a young adult. Especially bc my sister seemed to hate me for no reason and was unkind to me.
Now that I’m in my 30s and with kids of my own - I see everything so much differently. I see the incredible harshness and unfairness in the way they treated her. The abuse they gave to her at the age of 5 even. She is the way she is BECAUSE of their treatment of her and in response to her trauma.
She lies, yes….and her perspective on reality can be very askew at times…and I don’t think we will ever be very close, but I KNOW that her abuse was real.
If she were to write a book for money about the abuse of my parents - I would probably be inclined to say she is lying, mostly because I think it is plain wrong to air out my family’s dirty laundry for money. I love my parents and I don’t want their flaws on display for the world.
Has nothing to do with cc being badly abused.
@@fromstockton11 The fact she was a no show in court says a lot about her character, and since the movie came out it was the younger generation that did not believe her story which is why it didn't do well at the box office. I was never convinced by her claims and I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle, especially since she released the book shortly after Joans' death.
Her original interview with Donahue is more informative.
@@sherriianiro747 people are no-shows in court all the time. Where have you been? The attorney will be there to represent the defense or other party. It happens thousands of times a day across this country. It's why you hire an attorney. I would not have attended either. Minutia.
Hollywood has left nobody unshathed. Fame isn't worth it.
I believe Christina even if she was also sort of spoiled like her 'haters' say. There are people that saw so many red flags in regards to the children
"[my mother and I] were always bound by the closest ties of filial and parental affection.”
- Christina Crawford in a 1977 sworn legal Objection To Probate her mother's will.
Christina soon gave a total alternate version of her relationship with her mother in her memoir, "Mommie Dearest," in 1978.
I believe Christina, and even her brother Christopher concurred with her account. Christopher was so traumatized he just didn't want anything to do with the limelight.
Joan was at her wits end with Christopher and per his doctor she used the harness to keep him safe from sleep walking. It was very common practice.
I believe christina.my heart goes out to Christopher.
Who were the 2 other people on stage with Cheryl and Christina?
Cheryl was lovely.
Lana fue una buena persona. Le dejo su mansion al ama de llaves que siempre la acompaño ❤
the truth is the truth even if no one believes you...living in a disfuntional and toxic fam..affects a child profoundly
Who were the other people on stage?
My cousins went to school with Christina & their father was horrible abusive to them & their mother. He was a star also. My family had several stars, I spent my childhood in the studios. My life was traumatic also.
What you can't even name the star father?
Who was he?
Without having read Christina's book it sounds like a book about a child that was abused whose mother happened to be famous.
I believe Lana’s lawyers concocted the story they needed to. Cheryl did whatever her mother wanted her to with regards to the trial. All the studio and Lana worried about was absolving Lana of blame.
Facts.
23:13 "Come out of the closet... with a knife??" Omg Phil 😂😂😂
I believe Christine.
Her name is Christina
I believe Christina too.
Joan Crawford was awful to Christina & her brother.
Christina is a LIAR
@@trishbaum6364 Joan Crawford was a Monster Mom!
@@carollee6963 no she wasn't!!! Stop watching a one sided movie made by a spoiled child. Christina tried in Hollywood and failed. Everyone said Christina was difficult to work with. Joan's twin daughters, secretary and close friends like Myrna Loy say no she was not abusive. The movie even proves how narcissistic Christina was. She didn't publish her book until her mother was dead. Why don't you do actual research like news paper articles showing Christopher escaping the house as a child and doctors then suggested a harness to keep him safe then his other issues. Christina even lied about what she was told by her mother's assistant. Joan never said dammit don't ask God to help me. That was made up by Christina. If you actually listen to Christina and read you'll see many discrepancies. Even a letter her mom wrote her wasn't mean. Christina talks on a radio show and says positive things about her mom. Even Faye dunaway who played Joan in the movie says she doesn't believe Christina's claims. Joan wasn't perfect as there is no such thing but it's unfair to lie and portray her as a monster when she wasn't. Watch Christina in interviews especially with Larry king live as you get older you can see through people like her.
@@trishbaum6364 shuddup
@AWS can't handle the truth @Trish speaks can you.
Hmm, what I heard was that Lana Turner woke up and Johnny wasn’t in the bed and she heard some strange sounds and followed them to her daughter’s bedroom and found him on top of her daughter and stabbed him to death. Then the daughter took responsibility for killing him. That’s what I heard after Miss Turner died.
OK? Who gives a shit what you heard lmao, it doesnt make it true. The only three people who know what happened that night are Lana, Cheryl and Johnny. And the truth is probably close to what they said in court, people always just want things to be "juicer", "more exciting" and a "conspiracy" lol when real life is much less exciting than that. I bet you also one of those people who believe celebrities do :"satanic rituals" and are able to "sell their soul to the devil" lmaoooo
No that is not what happened. Lana Turner died many years ago, and Cheryl Crane is still telling the same story. Cheryl had been raped by a previous stepfather, and she said that Lana always set boundaries with other men after that. They were never alone with Cheryl or even innocently physical like a kiss on the cheek. A lot of people knew that Stompanato was abusive to Lana, but none of her friends made much effort to help her escape the relationship.... except Sean Connery who punched him once.
@@kirsten2769 I know one true fact, neither one of us was there! So whatever reached us is irrelevant.
I believe it because he was stabbed in the chest and did not fight back. All makes sense
My mother said Lana deserved another Oscar for her court performance
7/16/23: JC may have been a talented actress, but the truth is the truth. She was a tyrant and a child abuser, someone who needed professional help. Unfortunately, she didn't get it. I don't believe for a second that Christina lied about the way she and her brother were treated all those years. She couldn’t have made that shit up! JC knew how to turn it on for the cameras when people were watching, but what went on behind closed doors was another story, as can be said for MANY people, but was a very dark place in her case. As for the twins, they didn't undergo the abuse Christina and Christopher were subjected to (they came much later) so, of course, they're gonna defend their mother. And because of it, they inherited what should have been shared with Christina and Christopher. The woman on the phone was delusional. And, like the woman in the audience who was upset by Christina’s book, it's a shame that there are those who refuse to believe that JC was capable of her tyrannical and abusive behavior because of her fame. People who are famous make unbelievable mistakes too, as we have witnessed in some form or fashion over the years with many others! As far as corroborations to Christina’s story, as she indicated there were plenty who knew, but no one wanted to get involved, and that’s the problem with the world we live in today. People would rather turn a blind eye and deaf ear than to get involved in helping a child in an abusively desperate situation until it’s too late. I'm glad Christina wrote her book, which I read. I hope those who have experienced the unfortunate trauma Christina & Christopher did finds her book therapeutic. Despite Christina's stroke, she came out whole on the other side and I applaud her.
Christina gave a different version in court documents/depositions (in relation to contesting Joan's will) all the while she was selling another (her book MD) to a publisher. She writes in her later 1988 book Survivor that "The deposition was one of the most grueling and nerve-wracking experiences I'd ever had."
This from a woman who claimed to have been abused for years by her mother, nearly strangled to death by her mother, and to have allegedly attempted suicide as a teenager. Yet, she says that a legal deposition at the age of 38 was one of her "most grueling" experiences. Ok....
ChristinaCrawfordLied
Christina was the "target child." I've read the book, and I believe it. Some people are so enamored of a celebrity, like the woman on the phone and the one in the audience, they refuse to belive the truth. As in the case of O.J.Simpson's acquittal, I recall one juror saying she didn't necessarily think he was innocent, but he had been such a great football star she couldn't find him guilty. If Joan Crawford had succeeded in killing Christina when she tried, fans like I've mentioned would surely have acquitted her. No wonder they call them idols.
@@wilmamcphail4686 Well said.
@@wilmamcphail4686 Christina made the accusation in her book that Joan nearly strangled her to death if not for someone (a woman employee of Joan's) in the house with them that day to stop it. Christina put a name to this woman in her 20th anniversary edition as Billie. At what point on any of Christina's many television interviews did she offer this woman as a witness to corroborate her claim? The answer is not once. Neither was there a solo print or television interview from Billie corroborating Christina's claim, either.
Christina also made no accusation of violence in her court documents contesting Joan's will or in a 1960 interview with Redbook magazine.
I actually thought Crawford overacted. She had starred in garbage movies and had never been nominated once for an Oscar until her breakthrough at age 40 in Mildred Pierce, and even that was an overacting job. And while Bette Davis got the nomination nod for Whatever Happened To Baby Jane?, Crawford got passed over yet again.
I think Christina Crawford is and was absolutely BRILLIANT and so COURAGEOUS for telling the truth of what happened to her. And the caller from 11yrs prior, that ripped Christina’s book apart was so disrespectful. She was commenting on the image of the Joan Crawford screen actress. Just more proof that the actors on screen are people too.
Christina told an entirely different story of her relationship with her mother in various sworn legal documents, and in two 1978, sworn court ordered depositions. This at the same time she was peddling her manuscript to a publisher and releasing it to the public. Excerpts were released which prompted the court ordered depositions. Christina made the accusation in her book that Joan in a fit of rage nearly strangled her to death, yet in the deposition over the course of 7 pages she feigns ignorance of the event. Makes one wonder. Well, was she telling the truth in her book or under oath. The whole point of a deposition is to tell the truth.
I agree with you about Christina Crawford.
I love reading these comments and replies. Especially while eating popcorn, exclaiming “OH Myyyy” and clutching my pearls every few minutes. 😂
I truly believe both ladies.
You better marry them before it got in the news. Well, in the 1930-1940s there was a ban on birth control and divorce back then.
My mom always hit me then my dad finally running away
Phil Donahue had. fabulous hair.
I find him annoying and irritating.
@@ranc1977you watch the View and adore whoopie don't you.
@@athenathegreatandpowerful6365 Yeah, I am Whoopie's team.
I believe Christina. There were plenty of Joans Hollywood friends to corroborate.
What exactly of Christina's story did they corroborate like in specific events?
Kirk Douglas said he saw the kids tied up
Betty Grable, Natalie Schaffer, June Allison, Lana Turner all spoke up in Christina’s defense…. And that’s just off the top of my head
@@tranurse Interesting that Betty Grable commented on MOMMY DEAREST (1978), since she died in 1973.
@@johnfd0210 I was trying to remember off the top of my head, I meant Betty Hutton…… my bad
@@tranurse In all these years I've yet to find a quote from Betty Hutton commenting on Joan Crawford and the children.
I attended that Phil Donahue Show in 1978. I hated that call @14:42
Christina made the accusation in her book that Joan nearly strangled her to death if not for someone (a woman employee of Joan's) in the house with them that day to stop it. Christina put a name to this woman in her 20th anniversary edition as Billie. At what point on any of Christina's many television interviews did she offer this woman as a witness to corroborate her claim? The answer is not once.
There was also not one solo print or television interview from this woman corroborating Christina's claim either.
Christina also made no accusation of violence in her court documents contesting Joan's will or in 1960 interviews with Redbook magazine and Mike Wallace.
@@Garsons-oq4lh
Christina forgot a lot of stuff as a result of the stroke she endured. She beat her with hangers, hairbrushes and with her hands. A lot of her torture was psychological; abandonment, rage, fury, neglect, disdain, humiliation, solitary confinement, etc. She would tie Christopher to a bed, naked and leave him there with the lights off until someone found him. Joan Crawford was a was a demon possessed psychopath who should have went to prison for life for what she did to those kids. Many many witnesses testimonials have surfaced now. Here's one more:
www.thestacksreader.com/the-troubling-truth-about-joan-crawford/ 21:49
It was actually lana Turner that gutted Johnny. She would have lost her career in Hollywood and went to prison for life had she admitted to the murder. Cheryl was a minor and her lawyers claimed it was self defense so all she did was go to juvenile hall for a while. Cheryl took the fall for her mom. She was the fall girl. The Hollywood clean up people were there with attorneys, etc and were the first to see the bloody scene. " She gutted him" is what one attorney said. They got rid of the mattress that was soaked with his blood and placed his body away from the bed and on the floor. If you notice the black and white photos where he lies on the ground, there is no blood anywhere around him. He had bled to death on the mattress. Lana had come home and found them both in bed, asleep, naked. She went to the kitchen and grabbed the butcher knife that ended his life. Lana did it. Read Eric Root book. That was her hairdresser. The blond haired gentleman you see her with during the last years of her life. She instructed him to write and tell everyone that she did it after she had passed away. The Hollywood community suspected it was her even back then.
Where did you receive this information? Just curious. This is the first I've heard of this.
@@Jenwinter85 several places. research , research, research. Read Erik Root Biography. Read newspaper clipping from that time. The hollywood comm knew the truth.
@@fromstockton11 Eric Root is not reliable. He published that book weeks after Lana's death. He also claimed that Sharon Tate was planning a birthday party for him on the night of August 8, 1969, when there was no party planned. Moreover, the knife that killed Stompanato was inserted upside down (sharp side up) indicating that the person who held the knife didn't know how to handle them. Cheryl was rarely allowed in the kitchen and she had only handled butter knives. Also, a charm bracelet Cheryl was wearing was found outside of the door of Lana's bedroom.
@@Muirmaiden everything you just wrote is hearsay and not mentioned anywhere in writing. Eric Root knew Lana for many years. He was her hairdresser and travel companion and lover. The position of the knife is irrelevant. The charm bracelet location means absolutely nothing
@@fromstockton11 No, it's not hearsay. Eric Root claimed in an interview that Sharon Tate was planning a birthday party for him. Everything else I wrote was from other sources (in writing), including Cheryl Crane's autobiography. Do research before you accuse someone else of not doing that.
my grandmother when to school with Lana Turner in san francisco
The way Cheryl tells the story kind of makes me believe that she lied to cover for Lana Turner 🤷🏽♀️
She did. Lana killed him.
I have always wondered that as well. But, if it was self defense, why lie? I guess it would be easier for a child to be seen as innocent.
We will never no . 10:46
How wild that Cheryl Crane astutely names her teen rebellion in the face of childhood SA trauma as self punishment and yet she is oblivious that she is contently settled into self harming in the most extreme and costly way possible.
I believe Christina!
CHRISTINA CRAWFORD, and her attorneys, refused to furnish Joan Crawford's attorneys with a copy of the "Mommie Dearest" manuscript during Christina's contest of the will.
Even after the court ordered Christina to provide the manuscript, she categorically REFUSED.
Why would Christina refuse?
Perhaps because Christina Crawford's February 1978 sworn deposition is in total and complete contrast from what she alleged in "Mommie Dearest" only seven months later, in October 1978.
When "New York" magazine published Christina's "Mommie Dearest" article in September 1978, which is a condensed version of Christina's book, Joan Crawford's attorneys petitioned the court for a SECOND deposition of Christina Crawford.
On the day of Christina's scheduled second deposition, 39-year-old Christina complained of "chest pains" and did not attend the deposition, and then literally FLED the state.
You know why people dis liked Christina, you have to view this like that generation did. First think of your favorite actress that is alive today...you got it?? Ok, now picture them having a daughter and this whole time you thought things were great, because of pictures and interviews, like youve seen decades of this! Now picture that actress is now old and died. Then the daughter writes a truth book about your beloved actress....you got that feeling??? Well thats why they didnt like Christina. Then you got the newer generation who see the truth, but you still cant see it because you've been brainwashed by years of fake pictures and fake interviews.
Well, im the new generation and I believe Christina.❤
This is like if Beyonce's daughter or Micheal Jackson's kids coming out with truth books after the celebrites have died. They would get countless hate by millenials, but Gen Alpha would see the truth for what it really is.
Not really. On the contrary most of the people that did not believe her were the boomers, that's why the movie failed at the box office because she wasn't credible. She made conflicting statements in her depositions too.
My father (RIH) was like Joan Crawford
Like Faye Dunaway's Joan Crawford.
Lana Turner was discovered in a malt shop.
Yes, I can't remember the name of the malt shop. It was across the street from Hollywood High School.
@@ginawhiteley8834 if I'm not mistaken Lana was also known as the sweater girl
Not true. That was a publicity stunt.
I think the malt shop was named Curry’s
At Highland and Sunset Blvd.
None of us know what happened with Lana Turner because her daughter took the blame. I would like to see her daughter take a lie detector test to clear her name.
I have always believed that Cheryl Crane took the rap for her mother.
Did Lana speak of it on her death bed?
Cheryl is amazing
Who do some of these audience members think they are, to comment negatively on Christina's experience & attempt to call her a liar?
There were rumors that Lana actually stabbed Stompanato and Cheryl didn't want to damage her mother's career. But I would hope Ms. Turner would not let her daughter do that.
I am still trying to figure out how, with all her money and power, she just didn't have him arrested and/or thrown out.
@nassauguy48 that would've caused controversy. If the public knew that she was in a relationship with that type of man, she possibly would've had her career down the drain. In those days, you didn't publicize such things. It would've ruined her career.
Plus the guy, Johnny, had ties with Mickey Cohen and he was very dangerous and a notorious gangster. So if Johnny was arrested, mickey would've been exposed too. And maybe, they would've went after Lana and Cheryl. They could've been killed.
@nassauguy48 plus Johnny threatened her that if she ever left him, he would've had her and her daughter cut up into pieces. So she was basically stuck and scared to death. She didn't want to have herself dead or her daughter dead
Where can l buy her book
apologies before hand rip lana turner and cheryel ypu awesome
Notice that both ladies' initials are CC! Years ago, I heard a rumor that Cheryl C. took the blame for Lana's actual stabbing of the boyfriend.
I think she did it
Wonder how they weee able to take that court footage as it was not allowed back then…. This is a fascinating interview. DONAHUE was the best daytime TV talk show show ever.
After Lana died, two of her hairdressers said that Lana confessed that she'd done it.
Sure, and they were probably paid well by the tabloids to make up a story like that. The court files and crime photos are still accessible, and match the story given by Lana and her daughter. If Lana had stabbed Stompanato, people would have said she'd lied to cover for her daughter.
@@kirsten2769 ... And just how does the evidence still "match" Lana's and Cheryl's story?? Don't be a cyber faux authority goofus.
Joan Crawford gave all of the Christmas gifts to Charity and made her children aware of the cruelty towards them. Charity is a great thing but that was not Christian of her but rather pure Evil.
The children were gifted many gifts from Joan's fans but only allowed to keep one with the rest going to charity.
Joan Crawford and Lana Turner had big problems and very human women who should have gotten into therapy
Who were the other two people on the panel? Anybody know?
Mommy dearest had Narcissistic personality disorder/it was probably genetic too!
If you look at Joan 1950s movie - they all feature NPD. In one of the movies Joan plays insane person.
I suspect Joan also had Bipolar Disorder. With her traumatic childhood, it would not be surprising. She was terribly scarred and did not know how to mother. The adoptions were all for "image "
There are a ton of presentables who emit hate in one direction so others don't see who they really are. I don't mind being the target because it does adversely effect their lives when their withholds are confronted. Simply because I exist.
It didn't work because I had a straight.
The Mrs. Griersons of the world are so tortured by that. **giggle**
Thankyou for making it so special. That is my goal. To cheapen the sexuality of others. Because it's irrelevant.
What year was this ??
Maybe 40 years ago
Think 1984 or 1985
The difference between the two is Cheryl loved and protected her mother. Christina on the other hand did everything
she could to destroy and ruin her mother's name!
Because she was a monster. That woman should never have been allowed to adopt
Christina was a child, Joan did that on her own.
As if you know anything
@@joywimer4281 No you do! Dummy!
@@sallywilliams5444 no she wasn't.
I would like the two first Crawford siblings to take a DNA test. I bet they are her real kids. Celebrities of that day adopted thier own kids as a cover.
I dunno if christopher ever did, but Christina did find out about her biological family (as did the twins) she was not Joan's natural daughter.
@@JoJo-ie8slthey both did and they are not related to Joan
Loretta Young did that but I don't think it was common practice.
Why would either of these women lie?
Team Christina period
CHRISTINA CRAWFORD, and her attorneys, refused to furnish Joan Crawford's attorneys with a copy of the "Mommie Dearest" manuscript during Christina's contest of the will.
Even after the court ordered Christina to provide the manuscript, she categorically REFUSED.
Why would Christina refuse?
Perhaps because Christina Crawford's February 1978 sworn deposition is in total and complete contrast from what she alleged in "Mommie Dearest" only seven months later, in October 1978.
When "New York" magazine published Christina's "Mommie Dearest" article in September 1978, which is a condensed version of Christina's book, Joan Crawford's attorneys petitioned the court for a SECOND deposition of Christina Crawford.
On the day of Christina's scheduled second deposition, 39-year-old Christina complained of "chest pains" and did not attend the deposition, and then literally FLED the state.
Cheryl is very attractive
I agree too! One picture I saw with Lana, John and cheryl when she was 14 and she is beautiful looking❤
Christina is an exaggerator and makes up a lot of stuff Cheryl is very truthful
when exactly is Cheryl truthful and which stuff did Christina make up? specifics would help
@@haintedhouse2990 Christina told an entirely DIFFERENT story of her relationship with her mother in various sworn legal documents, and in TWO 1978, sworn court ordered depositions. All this at the same time she was setting in motion her book to be published. Excerpts were released which led to Christina to be court-ordered to the depositions. She was repeatedly questioned about the strangulation she endured at Joan's hands yet over seven pages of deposition she feigns ignorance. Also of note is the fact that never in all the years Christina told that story did the woman who was there (Billie) ever provide testimony confirming it (no statement or anything did Christina get from the woman).
@@Garsons-oq4lh The strangulation has been witnessed and that person was deposed.
Christina moved to Idaho in a town north of me by a few miles. Got on the Commissioner boards and everyone hated her. She wanted to stop logging, mining, ranching, a true CA entitled brat.
@@coyotedust Good for her. You're the entitled brat.
18:18 Lana Turner says it happened.
But Cheryl Crane speaks for her mother?
It's true that others may be aware of the abuse but stay out of it. Case in point John Philips abuse of his daughter Makenzie. A number of celebs at the time ( including the always stoned step- mom Michelle ) stated in interviews that they were aware of whatJohhn was doing to his daughter. Hence, Lana's comment to Cheryl about the book.
The callee obviously didn't read the letters from people who witnessed the abuse.
Cheryl did a courageous thing when she eliminated sleazeball Stompanato, who probably would have injured her mother.
I don’t think Joan Crawford was a bad person or an evil one. I think Joan Crawford was a damaged person, who had survived horrific things. I think she loved her children desperately, but wasn’t capable of being anyone’s mother, when the first two children were adopted. I think she was a lot more stable when she had the twins, so of course they had a different mother. Look at Bing Crosby’s kids. His kids from his first marriage had a totally different father, than his two kids from his second marriage…
Agreed. She was incredibly damaged, and she covered it up with glitz and glamor. That can only help for so long.
I do believe that she may have been very strict and may have smacked them a few times when they misbehaved, but nothing severe. Joan grew up with a mother that didn't care about her and she resented that she never got proper love.
The only love she really received was from her fans. She loved being loved, I think. Her devotion to her fans was extraordinary.
Yesterday's "romantics" are today's "codependents". It's a shame that Lana Turner had so many men come and go and that it was so tumultuous
Wow what an insensitive interviewer