read Eric root book. he said Lana pretty much ignored the daughter for the rest of her life because of a serious illness Cheryl obtained and had to have a complete blood transfusion. after wards Lana said it was not her daughter anymore after that, "who knows who's blood she got!". Lana left the bulk of her estate, jewels and mink furs to her housekeeper.
@@SunsetBoulevard111Lana's former manager, Taylor Pero, said that Eric Root is a pathetic hanger-on who published the book days after Lana's death. Cheryl saw that Root was taking advantage of her mother and cut off his access to her .
Abusing a child is one of the worst things you could do in life. I consider myself a strong personality with an iron will....but I'm still crushed emotionally when I get flashbacks of abuse that happened to me. It's an open wound that stays with you forever and really never heals. The flashbacks make that a fact. You can get therapy and you can contextualize the abuse with the mind of an adult in an attempt to take away it's control over you, but the wounds go deep into the abyss of your mind and soul.
Traditional talk therapy for my childhood trauma made me feel worse. I finally came to realize that rehatching the trauma by talking about it ad-nauseam was holding me back. Focusing on the symptoms and writing as opposed to talking has done me a world of good.
@@lynnbaker2336Same here Lynn. My life has been completely stunted by my experiences. There are so many things I wish I could have done, but never had the confidence. I've always felt as though there's something bad going to happen, around every corner. It doesn't seem to matter how hard you work on yourself, or how tough you try to be. It's so deeply ingrained that it pulls you totally out of shape & you don't really know who you are anymore.
@gaysy1st I can relate. I'm so sorry for your trauma. The only thing that you can do is try to mitigate the damage 💔 😢 as much as possible. My issues were so serious that I was actually homeless for a time, due to my functioning ability being so impaired. But, there has been improvement, and, contextually, I've actually done pretty well. Wishing you the best in the future. Send me a friend request!
The part when Cheryl mother Lana said we didn’t speak about negative stuff about our fellow celebrities is why I believe Christina and remember sexual inappropriate things were done to Shirley temple starting when she was a child that is now being talked about but not said for all this years and the documentary called pretty baby about the sexual exploitation and assault regarding Brooke shields that after decades she is just now talking about. Frankly Christina showed a great deal of courage speaking out when she did.
Christina gave a different version in court documents/depositions, all the while she was selling another version in her book to a publisher. She writes in her later book Survivor (1988) that "The deposition was one of the most grueling and nerve-wracking experiences I'd ever had." This from a woman who claimed to have been abused for years by her mother, nearly strangled to death by her mother, and to have allegedly attempted suicide as a teenager. Yet, she says that a legal deposition at the age of 38 was one of her "most grueling" experiences. Ok.... **ChristinaCrawfordLied**
@@Garsons-oq4lh Depend on which side you want to believe, if the depositions involve reliving the memory of her supposedly abusive relationship with her mom, then it is plausible that it is "most grueling".
Lana got an Oscar nod (Peyton Place); Marilyn deserved it for Bus Stop. So sad that beauty raised both to stardom, then crippled their wide perception.
@@arnepianocanada I feel like Lana's career has finally come under a closer examination over the last couple decades, where Marilyn's own resurgence came much earlier in the late 70's with Second Wave feminism/Madonna's popularity. It was much easier to dismiss Lana and her films as superficial in her own lifetime even if her work in the 1950's alone shows that she was willing to go outside of her comfort zone
Faye Dunaway played her role extremely well in Mommy Dearest. This movie was so good. I feel sad for her daughter in the movie. She beat the heck out of her.
I thought that Faye dunaway was excellent as Joan crawford.i. have mommie dearest on DVD.i treasure the movie.i am glad it was made.to me it is a powerful and important look at family violence and dysfunction.
After joan crawford was dead she could say what she liked she should have said it in life, the twins denied Christina's story christina also promised her brother half the proceeds from the book if he agreed with her and then she changed her mind so he spoke out against the book and christina also admitted they went overboard with the script for dramatic effect the film was an over acted pile of rubbish.
I believe Faye Danaway should get Oscar for this role. I am saying it as an abusive child. All the scenes were absolutely realistic. This is how it looks like in some families behind closed doors. And everybody has to know it, believe or not!
I've always believed Christina. Joan's childhood was horrifying and I doubt she ever processed those traumas. We know now that abuse like that tends to be cyclical unless a victim is aware and gets help to heal themselves.
Something else, I was abused in the foster care system, and not only did the abuser seem unaware of her own abuse, but those around her, who knew, either directly or indirectly, of her abuse, acted as though every thing was perfectly normal.
@JoJo-ie8sl How exactly was Joan's childhood horrifying? If you're under that belief of Joan being molested by her stepfather, then you are wrong. She wasn't. Joan Crawford stated in her 1962 autobiography that in her teens, a man named Harry Hough (a male friend of her mother’s) was inappropriate with her but not her stepfather.
That too crossed my mind bcuz l read about her childhood too and it was terrible. The only thing is Tina apparently was the only one singled out. The other 2 girls said she was great. However christopher backs up Tina and had his own abusive accounts. He or the twins have no reason to lie so all of their experiences are probably true bcuz of age differences. Joan cud have been mean in a certain period of her life then mellowed out as time went on. Who knows
@deniawiseone95 how exactly was Joan's childhood terrible? Christopher suffered from what we know today as ADHD. His daughter had children that followed the pattern. But Christopher for instance was harnessed in bed at night at the recommendation of a doctor because he would get up in the middle of the night and wander outside.
@@Garsons-oq4lh Didn't Joan say the family struggled between Anna's husbands, Anna favored Hal, treated joan like a servant and joan was sent to schools where she was mistreated? Didn't Joan tell a story about working at a school and being beaten with a broom and thrown down the stairs? In her own voice in My way of Life?? That sounds horrifying to me.
Lana threw out Lex Barker and filed for divorce as soon as she found out what he was doing to Cheryl. She did put her daughter first. With Stompanato, she was trying to get him out of her life.
@@Muirmaiden Yes after 3 years of sexual abuse. And then she took nieuw boyfriend, Italian gangster, very wel known in Hollywood. Imagine you have 13 year old daughter, who was raped en sexually abused and you go on with your career en love life. But no therapy or quality time for your doughter. Cheryl went to live with her father after proces. I don't think Lana was bad person, I think it was very difficult for women in those days and Lana couldn't live without man. And that's why you could say, man was more important than child. But no judgement. Lana was herself very unhappy.
Cheryl Crane had a rough time with Killing that monster and I believe that she would have done it again if it meant protecting her mother. She had so much to deal with when she was younger and it’s so nice to see her healthy whole and still a devoted daughter to her legendary mother, Lana Turner.
But Christina gave a different version in court documents/depositions in relation to contesting Joan's will. At the same time she was selling another version (her book Mommie Dearest) to a publisher. One is supposed to tell the truth in a deposition. Christina writes in her 1988 book Survivor that "The deposition was one of the most grueling and nerve-wracking experiences I'd ever had." This from a woman who claimed to have been abused for years by her mother, nearly strangled to death by her mother, and to have allegedly attempted suicide as a teenager. Yet, she says that a legal deposition at the age of 38 was one of her "most grueling" experiences. Ok.... ChristinaCrawfordLied
Goodness, yes - I agree with you. Reporters / presenters have learned a lot more about appropriate enquiry ( I think) nowadays. Seems there’s more understanding of extreme trauma.
I believe Christina because I know a woman named Carolyn who went to a Catholic boarding school with Christina. Joan Crawford was remote, unavailable, preoccupied, and not much of a nurturing mother to Christina.
@@katherinelehmann9590 So sad that Mommy dearest didn't allow Christina to come home during holidays. but she was actually given the lesser of two evils. If she was allowed to go "home" it was likely she would be abused.
But Christina gave a different version in court documents/depositions in relation to contesting Joan's will. This all at the same time she was selling another version (her book Mommie Dearest) to a publisher. One is supposed to tell the truth in a court a deposition. Christina writes in her 1988 book Survivor that "The deposition was one of the most grueling and nerve-wracking experiences I'd ever had." This from a woman who claimed to have been abused for years by her mother, nearly strangled to death by her mother, and to have allegedly attempted suicide as a teenager. Yet, she says that a legal deposition at the age of 38 was one of her "most grueling" experiences. Ok.... **ChristinaCrawfordLied**
@samsonian9468 Oh, I see you basically ignore the flip-flopping she did. Christina also gave a version of their relationship for a 1960 Redbook magazine article too. The line of questioning in the 1978 deposition stemmed from the Redbook article. In that article, Christina never claimed Joan attacked her or strangled her. She simply said they had issues getting along, and Joan sent her back to school. Flash ahead to after Joan's death in 1977, Christina begins writing a version that later becomes the Mommie Dearest book. She sold the manuscript to a publisher in October 1977, but then the same month in court documents contesting Joan's will, she gives another version of her relationship with Joan. A few months later, in 1978, there was yet another version this time for court ordered depositions. Add it all up, and it's obvious Christina is lying in one of these versions.
@@Garsons-oq4lh Are you just going to ignore and pretend that she was not abused? Are you sympathasing with the devil? I'm sure she has had mental injury because of the abuse .... Joan Crawford may as well from her family, but you don't just ignore the past (which Joan was known for) one must get help and stop the abuse in the family line, which she did not because she only cared about the future of herself and her career. Very selfish woman.
@@samsonian9468 On May 9th, 1978, Christina Crawford signed and swore to the validity of the statements within a legal Bill of Particulars. In law, a Bill of Particulars is a sworn legal document by which a party has to explain the allegations in his/her complaint, or petition, in greater detail. This sworn document was requested by Joan Crawford's estate attorneys in regard to Christina's Objection To Probate of Joan's will. Initially, Christina, through her attorneys, fought to not submit a Bill of Particulars. Ultimately, Christina was forced to comply by court order. The estate's demand for a Bill of Particulars requested answers to 14 assertions made in Christina's October 24th, 1977 Objection To Probate. Christina only complied with supplying 4 answers in her Bill of Particulars. However, the answers Christina did supply are in direct contradiction to the allegations made in her memoir, "Mommie Dearest," and her subsequent interviews. **ChristinaCrawfordLied**
Adoption agency would not let Joan Crawford adopt from them. That's why she went to the black market. Mary Tyler Moore made a movie about the woman who sold the children.
I think Christina Crawford is and was absolutely BRILLIANT and so COURAGEOUS for telling the truth of what happened to her. And the caller from 11yrs prior, that ripped Christina’s book apart was so disrespectful. She was commenting on the image of the Joan Crawford screen actress. Just more proof that the actors on screen are people too.
Christina told an entirely different story of her relationship with her mother in various sworn legal documents, and in two 1978, sworn court ordered depositions. This at the same time she was peddling her manuscript to a publisher and releasing it to the public. Excerpts were released which prompted the court ordered depositions. Christina made the accusation in her book that Joan in a fit of rage nearly strangled her to death, yet in the deposition over the course of 7 pages she feigns ignorance of the event. Makes one wonder. Well, was she telling the truth in her book or under oath. The whole point of a deposition is to tell the truth.
The beginning of that vid, I have a comment. She talks about her mother dating/marrying a lot of men, and the judgements made. Funny thing, Mae West had no trouble or care for what everyone else had to say about how many men she messed around with. All the way till her death, she slept with whoever she desired, and refused to cowtow to "norms". As for these women being strong and willing to speak up, I found it empowering and brave. We like to romanticize the hay days of Hollywierd, but things were just as hard for women then, as they are now.
i just listened to Christina reading her book after watching her first interview with Donohue. i always believed her, but the book left some holes and was not in chronological order, so it was confusing. i read in a comment that Bette Davis did not think the book was true. but Bette did not like Crawford at all. so that was confusing. what i finally concluded was that the publishers were in a great rush to publish and did not edit the writing at all. it needed an editor to bring it into continuity and give some reasoning to some of the things Christina did and thought. her explanation of her depression was so poignant and real. hers was way deeper and profound than mine. it seems as a child, she was very stubborn and, i think that and her intelligence (and the usual luck) is what pulled her through. She certainly had a good teacher in her “mother” as to throwing fits and anger. that was her only model her entire childhood. luckily she had some healthy time with the people in her boarding school for a while. Lana Turner seems like she was a caring, lovely woman who went through a lot of trauma herself. (Crawford was not a nice person at all. as she got older, she became an austere, stoney person to her daughter and in her roles on TV, which i saw when i was around 12. did not like her. liked everyone else - even Tallulah, who was marvelous. Christina is now 85 and i hope she is contented.
Cheryl cranes story, to me, is sad and horrible. Cheryl really loved her mother, that she actually risked her life to save her mother from Johnny Stompanato. Tho Cheryl never wanted to kill him by purpose but did it accidentally. It's weird that so many people still say that Cheryl took the blame for her mother, but Cheryl said that even if she did take the blame and it was her mother who killed him, she would of told everybody she took the rap. I believe Cheryl's story.
@@itravisoni She was in her room when she heard it. After she heard it, she was so scared for her mother's sake and hers, so she did the only thing that a kid would do for they're mother/ father.
@Toni Travisoni If Cheryl did call the police, Johnny would have been arrested, but keep in mind this guy was super dangerous. He said that no matter what he would find a way to find Lana and he would have gotten Cheryl kidnapped and chopped up into pieces
@@pennywise6266 I wonder if Cheryl heard everything Johnny said to Lana. Mysteries and Scandals said that Cheryl heard Him then went into the kitchen to grab the knife.
It's in Esther Williams' as-told-to autobiography how Esther and her husband Fernando Lamas believed Lana killed Stompanato while he was sleeping. Fernando theorized, correctly, I believe, if Johnny saw Cheryl coming at him with a knife, he would have thrown her out the window. The idea of a teenage girl offing a Mafia soldier is pretty far-fetched.
Honestly, if Lana did do it, I don't blame her. If someone threatened to kill me or my mother, and daughter, I would've tried to kill him too. But she would have gotten Cheryl to take the blame. Which is truly disgusting and unmotherly of Lana.
I believe Christina, and even her brother Christopher concurred with her account. Christopher was so traumatized he just didn't want anything to do with the limelight.
I agree I read both Detour & Lana's book. I found many different perceptions in both Mother/Daughter memories. Lana was not a present parent in Cheryl's life, her grandmother was. Lana wrote of vacations, movies & men. Lana was Hollywood self absorbed. Her daughter paid the price & forgave her.
I read in 1999 Cathy LoLonde, one of the twins, sued Christina and won for public statements she wrongfully made about her. Christina said the twins weren't "real" twins and unlike her, who was legally adopted were bought on the black market, and Cathy was lyimg about being a twin. Christina said Joan just got two girls who looked alike and said they were twins to boost her career. When it went to court Christina was a no show.
I don't doubt that Christina probably was on the receiving end of SOME kind of abuse but the way the twins and their defense of Joan are consistently dismissed shows that some people desperately want the 1981 "Mommie Dearest" version to be 100% facts and true which even Christina has said it's not. And those familiar enough with this saga have also got a pretty good look at Christina's own behavior over the years. I just can't take people seriously when they ask us to venerate her like she's the original Elizabeth Smart or something...
@@jamesa.romano8500speaking from personal experience in my own family - my mom had 4 children and the 2nd born (my younger sister) got pretty much all the abuse from both my parents. It started basically from birth. I, however, am incredibly close with both my parents. The sad thing is, I think my sister was always stubborn and headstrong naturally and emotional…while the rest of my siblings were very docile and appeasing and compromising and not very emotional. I think this is why my sister was singled out, even at the age of 3. But also…I believe the abuse altered my sister for the worst. She is a liar…she is consumed with jealousy and revenge…she refuses to apologize when she is wrong…and she is often toxic to be around and has a scary temper. My parents say this justifies WHY she was singled out. They say she was ALWAYS this way and none of this has to do with their parenting. She was BORN difficult and unkind. I believed their narrative as a kid and even a young adult. Especially bc my sister seemed to hate me for no reason and was unkind to me. Now that I’m in my 30s and with kids of my own - I see everything so much differently. I see the incredible harshness and unfairness in the way they treated her. The abuse they gave to her at the age of 5 even. She is the way she is BECAUSE of their treatment of her and in response to her trauma. She lies, yes….and her perspective on reality can be very askew at times…and I don’t think we will ever be very close, but I KNOW that her abuse was real. If she were to write a book for money about the abuse of my parents - I would probably be inclined to say she is lying, mostly because I think it is plain wrong to air out my family’s dirty laundry for money. I love my parents and I don’t want their flaws on display for the world.
@@fromstockton11 The fact she was a no show in court says a lot about her character, and since the movie came out it was the younger generation that did not believe her story which is why it didn't do well at the box office. I was never convinced by her claims and I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle, especially since she released the book shortly after Joans' death. Her original interview with Donahue is more informative.
@@sherriianiro747 people are no-shows in court all the time. Where have you been? The attorney will be there to represent the defense or other party. It happens thousands of times a day across this country. It's why you hire an attorney. I would not have attended either. Minutia.
I would like the two first Crawford siblings to take a DNA test. I bet they are her real kids. Celebrities of that day adopted thier own kids as a cover.
It was actually lana Turner that gutted Johnny. She would have lost her career in Hollywood and went to prison for life had she admitted to the murder. Cheryl was a minor and her lawyers claimed it was self defense so all she did was go to juvenile hall for a while. Cheryl took the fall for her mom. She was the fall girl. The Hollywood clean up people were there with attorneys, etc and were the first to see the bloody scene. " She gutted him" is what one attorney said. They got rid of the mattress that was soaked with his blood and placed his body away from the bed and on the floor. If you notice the black and white photos where he lies on the ground, there is no blood anywhere around him. He had bled to death on the mattress. Lana had come home and found them both in bed, asleep, naked. She went to the kitchen and grabbed the butcher knife that ended his life. Lana did it. Read Eric Root book. That was her hairdresser. The blond haired gentleman you see her with during the last years of her life. She instructed him to write and tell everyone that she did it after she had passed away. The Hollywood community suspected it was her even back then.
@@Jenwinter85 several places. research , research, research. Read Erik Root Biography. Read newspaper clipping from that time. The hollywood comm knew the truth.
@@fromstockton11 Eric Root is not reliable. He published that book weeks after Lana's death. He also claimed that Sharon Tate was planning a birthday party for him on the night of August 8, 1969, when there was no party planned. Moreover, the knife that killed Stompanato was inserted upside down (sharp side up) indicating that the person who held the knife didn't know how to handle them. Cheryl was rarely allowed in the kitchen and she had only handled butter knives. Also, a charm bracelet Cheryl was wearing was found outside of the door of Lana's bedroom.
@@Muirmaiden everything you just wrote is hearsay and not mentioned anywhere in writing. Eric Root knew Lana for many years. He was her hairdresser and travel companion and lover. The position of the knife is irrelevant. The charm bracelet location means absolutely nothing
@@fromstockton11 No, it's not hearsay. Eric Root claimed in an interview that Sharon Tate was planning a birthday party for him. Everything else I wrote was from other sources (in writing), including Cheryl Crane's autobiography. Do research before you accuse someone else of not doing that.
My cousins went to school with Christina & their father was horrible abusive to them & their mother. He was a star also. My family had several stars, I spent my childhood in the studios. My life was traumatic also.
I believe Lana’s lawyers concocted the story they needed to. Cheryl did whatever her mother wanted her to with regards to the trial. All the studio and Lana worried about was absolving Lana of blame.
You know why people dis liked Christina, you have to view this like that generation did. First think of your favorite actress that is alive today...you got it?? Ok, now picture them having a daughter and this whole time you thought things were great, because of pictures and interviews, like youve seen decades of this! Now picture that actress is now old and died. Then the daughter writes a truth book about your beloved actress....you got that feeling??? Well thats why they didnt like Christina. Then you got the newer generation who see the truth, but you still cant see it because you've been brainwashed by years of fake pictures and fake interviews. Well, im the new generation and I believe Christina.❤ This is like if Beyonce's daughter or Micheal Jackson's kids coming out with truth books after the celebrites have died. They would get countless hate by millenials, but Gen Alpha would see the truth for what it really is.
Not really. On the contrary most of the people that did not believe her were the boomers, that's why the movie failed at the box office because she wasn't credible. She made conflicting statements in her depositions too.
Hmm, what I heard was that Lana Turner woke up and Johnny wasn’t in the bed and she heard some strange sounds and followed them to her daughter’s bedroom and found him on top of her daughter and stabbed him to death. Then the daughter took responsibility for killing him. That’s what I heard after Miss Turner died.
OK? Who gives a shit what you heard lmao, it doesnt make it true. The only three people who know what happened that night are Lana, Cheryl and Johnny. And the truth is probably close to what they said in court, people always just want things to be "juicer", "more exciting" and a "conspiracy" lol when real life is much less exciting than that. I bet you also one of those people who believe celebrities do :"satanic rituals" and are able to "sell their soul to the devil" lmaoooo
No that is not what happened. Lana Turner died many years ago, and Cheryl Crane is still telling the same story. Cheryl had been raped by a previous stepfather, and she said that Lana always set boundaries with other men after that. They were never alone with Cheryl or even innocently physical like a kiss on the cheek. A lot of people knew that Stompanato was abusive to Lana, but none of her friends made much effort to help her escape the relationship.... except Sean Connery who punched him once.
7/16/23: JC may have been a talented actress, but the truth is the truth. She was a tyrant and a child abuser, someone who needed professional help. Unfortunately, she didn't get it. I don't believe for a second that Christina lied about the way she and her brother were treated all those years. She couldn’t have made that shit up! JC knew how to turn it on for the cameras when people were watching, but what went on behind closed doors was another story, as can be said for MANY people, but was a very dark place in her case. As for the twins, they didn't undergo the abuse Christina and Christopher were subjected to (they came much later) so, of course, they're gonna defend their mother. And because of it, they inherited what should have been shared with Christina and Christopher. The woman on the phone was delusional. And, like the woman in the audience who was upset by Christina’s book, it's a shame that there are those who refuse to believe that JC was capable of her tyrannical and abusive behavior because of her fame. People who are famous make unbelievable mistakes too, as we have witnessed in some form or fashion over the years with many others! As far as corroborations to Christina’s story, as she indicated there were plenty who knew, but no one wanted to get involved, and that’s the problem with the world we live in today. People would rather turn a blind eye and deaf ear than to get involved in helping a child in an abusively desperate situation until it’s too late. I'm glad Christina wrote her book, which I read. I hope those who have experienced the unfortunate trauma Christina & Christopher did finds her book therapeutic. Despite Christina's stroke, she came out whole on the other side and I applaud her.
Christina gave a different version in court documents/depositions (in relation to contesting Joan's will) all the while she was selling another (her book MD) to a publisher. She writes in her later 1988 book Survivor that "The deposition was one of the most grueling and nerve-wracking experiences I'd ever had." This from a woman who claimed to have been abused for years by her mother, nearly strangled to death by her mother, and to have allegedly attempted suicide as a teenager. Yet, she says that a legal deposition at the age of 38 was one of her "most grueling" experiences. Ok.... ChristinaCrawfordLied
Christina was the "target child." I've read the book, and I believe it. Some people are so enamored of a celebrity, like the woman on the phone and the one in the audience, they refuse to belive the truth. As in the case of O.J.Simpson's acquittal, I recall one juror saying she didn't necessarily think he was innocent, but he had been such a great football star she couldn't find him guilty. If Joan Crawford had succeeded in killing Christina when she tried, fans like I've mentioned would surely have acquitted her. No wonder they call them idols.
@@wilmamcphail4686 Christina made the accusation in her book that Joan nearly strangled her to death if not for someone (a woman employee of Joan's) in the house with them that day to stop it. Christina put a name to this woman in her 20th anniversary edition as Billie. At what point on any of Christina's many television interviews did she offer this woman as a witness to corroborate her claim? The answer is not once. Neither was there a solo print or television interview from Billie corroborating Christina's claim, either. Christina also made no accusation of violence in her court documents contesting Joan's will or in a 1960 interview with Redbook magazine.
I actually thought Crawford overacted. She had starred in garbage movies and had never been nominated once for an Oscar until her breakthrough at age 40 in Mildred Pierce, and even that was an overacting job. And while Bette Davis got the nomination nod for Whatever Happened To Baby Jane?, Crawford got passed over yet again.
There were rumors that Lana actually stabbed Stompanato and Cheryl didn't want to damage her mother's career. But I would hope Ms. Turner would not let her daughter do that.
@nassauguy48 that would've caused controversy. If the public knew that she was in a relationship with that type of man, she possibly would've had her career down the drain. In those days, you didn't publicize such things. It would've ruined her career. Plus the guy, Johnny, had ties with Mickey Cohen and he was very dangerous and a notorious gangster. So if Johnny was arrested, mickey would've been exposed too. And maybe, they would've went after Lana and Cheryl. They could've been killed.
@nassauguy48 plus Johnny threatened her that if she ever left him, he would've had her and her daughter cut up into pieces. So she was basically stuck and scared to death. She didn't want to have herself dead or her daughter dead
@@carollee6963 no she wasn't!!! Stop watching a one sided movie made by a spoiled child. Christina tried in Hollywood and failed. Everyone said Christina was difficult to work with. Joan's twin daughters, secretary and close friends like Myrna Loy say no she was not abusive. The movie even proves how narcissistic Christina was. She didn't publish her book until her mother was dead. Why don't you do actual research like news paper articles showing Christopher escaping the house as a child and doctors then suggested a harness to keep him safe then his other issues. Christina even lied about what she was told by her mother's assistant. Joan never said dammit don't ask God to help me. That was made up by Christina. If you actually listen to Christina and read you'll see many discrepancies. Even a letter her mom wrote her wasn't mean. Christina talks on a radio show and says positive things about her mom. Even Faye dunaway who played Joan in the movie says she doesn't believe Christina's claims. Joan wasn't perfect as there is no such thing but it's unfair to lie and portray her as a monster when she wasn't. Watch Christina in interviews especially with Larry king live as you get older you can see through people like her.
The difference between the two is Cheryl loved and protected her mother. Christina on the other hand did everything she could to destroy and ruin her mother's name!
@@haintedhouse2990 Christina told an entirely DIFFERENT story of her relationship with her mother in various sworn legal documents, and in TWO 1978, sworn court ordered depositions. All this at the same time she was setting in motion her book to be published. Excerpts were released which led to Christina to be court-ordered to the depositions. She was repeatedly questioned about the strangulation she endured at Joan's hands yet over seven pages of deposition she feigns ignorance. Also of note is the fact that never in all the years Christina told that story did the woman who was there (Billie) ever provide testimony confirming it (no statement or anything did Christina get from the woman).
Christina moved to Idaho in a town north of me by a few miles. Got on the Commissioner boards and everyone hated her. She wanted to stop logging, mining, ranching, a true CA entitled brat.
Wonder how they weee able to take that court footage as it was not allowed back then…. This is a fascinating interview. DONAHUE was the best daytime TV talk show show ever.
Kirk Douglas said he saw the kids tied up Betty Grable, Natalie Schaffer, June Allison, Lana Turner all spoke up in Christina’s defense…. And that’s just off the top of my head
Joan Crawford gave all of the Christmas gifts to Charity and made her children aware of the cruelty towards them. Charity is a great thing but that was not Christian of her but rather pure Evil.
She said Joan was “not America’s sweetheart let’s be serious”….actually Miss Christina Crawford, she WAS most certainly that title for from atleast 1930-1936. When she aged out, she was forced to transform. Joan was the most admired woman in America for many, many years. Especially to young women in the depression era who felt trapped in wretched, soul crushing professions. She provided them a glamorous escapism with her rags-to-riches ingenue roles….her anger and hatred for “Mommie” is irrational at times.
I don’t think Joan Crawford was a bad person or an evil one. I think Joan Crawford was a damaged person, who had survived horrific things. I think she loved her children desperately, but wasn’t capable of being anyone’s mother, when the first two children were adopted. I think she was a lot more stable when she had the twins, so of course they had a different mother. Look at Bing Crosby’s kids. His kids from his first marriage had a totally different father, than his two kids from his second marriage…
I do believe that she may have been very strict and may have smacked them a few times when they misbehaved, but nothing severe. Joan grew up with a mother that didn't care about her and she resented that she never got proper love. The only love she really received was from her fans. She loved being loved, I think. Her devotion to her fans was extraordinary.
None of us know what happened with Lana Turner because her daughter took the blame. I would like to see her daughter take a lie detector test to clear her name.
Christina made the accusation in her book that Joan nearly strangled her to death if not for someone (a woman employee of Joan's) in the house with them that day to stop it. Christina put a name to this woman in her 20th anniversary edition as Billie. At what point on any of Christina's many television interviews did she offer this woman as a witness to corroborate her claim? The answer is not once. There was also not one solo print or television interview from this woman corroborating Christina's claim either. Christina also made no accusation of violence in her court documents contesting Joan's will or in 1960 interviews with Redbook magazine and Mike Wallace.
Sure, and they were probably paid well by the tabloids to make up a story like that. The court files and crime photos are still accessible, and match the story given by Lana and her daughter. If Lana had stabbed Stompanato, people would have said she'd lied to cover for her daughter.
How wild that Cheryl Crane astutely names her teen rebellion in the face of childhood SA trauma as self punishment and yet she is oblivious that she is contently settled into self harming in the most extreme and costly way possible.
There are a ton of presentables who emit hate in one direction so others don't see who they really are. I don't mind being the target because it does adversely effect their lives when their withholds are confronted. Simply because I exist.
" Lesbian Relationship " ... instead just try "Relationship". What would Mr Donahue's 'response' be if I enquired if he was satisfied with his "Heterosexual" r'ship, affair,marraige/s ? I'm fairly certain Ms Grey is not the first person to have had a same sex r'ship. Just as long as you are able to give & feel love is the most important thing for any human being ... doesn't' matter what their gender is; it's really nobody else's business !
Christina is despicable,she accomplished nothing in her life except ghost writing this awful book that her mother cannot respond to .The only way she could make a living is to ghost write a book and give countless interviews
It's true that others may be aware of the abuse but stay out of it. Case in point John Philips abuse of his daughter Makenzie. A number of celebs at the time ( including the always stoned step- mom Michelle ) stated in interviews that they were aware of whatJohhn was doing to his daughter. Hence, Lana's comment to Cheryl about the book.
You are so strong. Ofcourse she couldn't write the book when her Mother was alive. What is wrong with the Woman who called? Shes in fantasy land. People are living in fantasy land amd alotnof people are in fantasy Land. I know Christina in her Brother was being Abused. Fans did not live with Joan Crawford as her Children. When the fans live with Joan as her Children them they cam speak on it. I wont write anything Bad about any family member until they die cuz when they are alive they will lie and deny everything. Thats waht abusers do. They dint admit moat of the Time.
Cant stand this phil Donahue. He provokes & very insensitive in the way he just isn't listening, just firing questions like bullits, waiting to dive in & even interrupting the ladies mid sentence. He absolutely means to be derogatory. These ladies suffered awful abuse by their mothers & in today's world famous or not, these terrible mothers today would be in prison. They were untouchable & sadly their daughters weren't.
Joan’s twin daughters had a totally different experience with Joan. Not sure if Joan quit drinking by then? Also Christina lied about the twins and the twins sued her.
Thank you Phil for being so respectful and compassionate. I have seen Christina treated horribly while being interviewed.
respectful? are you crazy? listen to the questioning Cheryl
Cheryl is a beautiful lady. She has overcome so much. I'm glad she has a better relationship with her mother.
read Eric root book. he said Lana pretty much ignored the daughter for the rest of her life because of a serious illness Cheryl obtained and had to have a complete blood transfusion. after wards Lana said it was not her daughter anymore after that, "who knows who's blood she got!". Lana left the bulk of her estate, jewels and mink furs to her housekeeper.
@@SunsetBoulevard111Lana's former manager, Taylor Pero, said that Eric Root is a pathetic hanger-on who published the book days after Lana's death. Cheryl saw that Root was taking advantage of her mother and cut off his access to her .
@@SunsetBoulevard111no her jewelry was inherited by Cheryl
Abusing a child is one of the worst things you could do in life. I consider myself a strong personality with an iron will....but I'm still crushed emotionally when I get flashbacks of abuse that happened to me. It's an open wound that stays with you forever and really never heals. The flashbacks make that a fact. You can get therapy and you can contextualize the abuse with the mind of an adult in an attempt to take away it's control over you, but the wounds go deep into the abyss of your mind and soul.
Traditional talk therapy for my childhood trauma made me feel worse. I finally came to realize that rehatching the trauma by talking about it ad-nauseam was holding me back. Focusing on the symptoms and writing as opposed to talking has done me a world of good.
Thank you! I was abused to such a degree that my innate potential was suppressed to the point of lifelong emotional disability. 😢
@@lynnbaker2336Same here Lynn. My life has been completely stunted by my experiences. There are so many things I wish I could have done, but never had the confidence. I've always felt as though there's something bad going to happen, around every corner. It doesn't seem to matter how hard you work on yourself, or how tough you try to be. It's so deeply ingrained that it pulls you totally out of shape & you don't really know who you are anymore.
@gaysy1st I can relate. I'm so sorry for your trauma. The only thing that you can do is try to mitigate the damage 💔 😢 as much as possible. My issues were so serious that I was actually homeless for a time, due to my functioning ability being so impaired. But, there has been improvement, and, contextually, I've actually done pretty well. Wishing you the best in the future. Send me a friend request!
Lana fue una buena persona,dejo su mansión al ama de llaves que siempre estuvo a su lado.❤
The part when Cheryl mother Lana said we didn’t speak about negative stuff about our fellow celebrities is why I believe Christina and remember sexual inappropriate things were done to Shirley temple starting when she was a child that is now being talked about but not said for all this years and the documentary called pretty baby about the sexual exploitation and assault regarding Brooke shields that after decades she is just now talking about. Frankly Christina showed a great deal of courage speaking out when she did.
Well said.
Christina gave a different version in court documents/depositions, all the while she was selling another version in her book to a publisher. She writes in her later book Survivor (1988) that "The deposition was one of the most grueling and nerve-wracking experiences I'd ever had."
This from a woman who claimed to have been abused for years by her mother, nearly strangled to death by her mother, and to have allegedly attempted suicide as a teenager. Yet, she says that a legal deposition at the age of 38 was one of her "most grueling" experiences. Ok....
**ChristinaCrawfordLied**
@@Garsons-oq4lh Depend on which side you want to believe, if the depositions involve reliving the memory of her supposedly abusive relationship with her mom, then it is plausible that it is "most grueling".
I believe Christina Crawford too
Lana turner was a great actress like Marilyn Monroe but people never gave them credit for their great talent because they were both so beautiful!
Lana got an Oscar nod (Peyton Place); Marilyn deserved it for Bus Stop. So sad that beauty raised both to stardom, then crippled their wide perception.
@@arnepianocanada I feel like Lana's career has finally come under a closer examination over the last couple decades, where Marilyn's own resurgence came much earlier in the late 70's with Second Wave feminism/Madonna's popularity. It was much easier to dismiss Lana and her films as superficial in her own lifetime even if her work in the 1950's alone shows that she was willing to go outside of her comfort zone
Lana was nominatied for a oscar but never received one
Marilyn was never nominatied
They both became great actresses when they got older
Cheryl Crane looks so healthy
Cheryl’s book was very good
I believe Christina always have
😆
Poor you
I believe Christina Crawford too.
Faye Dunaway played her role extremely well in Mommy Dearest. This movie was so good. I feel sad for her daughter in the movie. She beat the heck out of her.
I thought that Faye dunaway was excellent as Joan crawford.i. have mommie dearest on DVD.i treasure the movie.i am glad it was made.to me it is a powerful and important look at family violence and dysfunction.
After joan crawford was dead she could say what she liked she should have said it in life, the twins denied Christina's story christina also promised her brother half the proceeds from the book if he agreed with her and then she changed her mind so he spoke out against the book and christina also admitted they went overboard with the script for dramatic effect the film was an over acted pile of rubbish.
I believe Faye Danaway should get Oscar for this role. I am saying it as an abusive child. All the scenes were absolutely realistic. This is how it looks like in some families behind closed doors. And everybody has to know it, believe or not!
I've always believed Christina. Joan's childhood was horrifying and I doubt she ever processed those traumas. We know now that abuse like that tends to be cyclical unless a victim is aware and gets help to heal themselves.
Something else, I was abused in the foster care system, and not only did the abuser seem unaware of her own abuse, but those around her, who knew, either directly or indirectly, of her abuse, acted as though every thing was perfectly normal.
@JoJo-ie8sl
How exactly was Joan's childhood horrifying? If you're under that belief of Joan being molested by her stepfather, then you are wrong. She wasn't. Joan Crawford stated in her 1962 autobiography that in her teens, a man named Harry Hough (a male friend of her mother’s) was inappropriate with her but not her stepfather.
That too crossed my mind bcuz l read about her childhood too and it was terrible. The only thing is Tina apparently was the only one singled out. The other 2 girls said she was great. However christopher backs up Tina and had his own abusive accounts. He or the twins have no reason to lie so all of their experiences are probably true bcuz of age differences. Joan cud have been mean in a certain period of her life then mellowed out as time went on. Who knows
@deniawiseone95 how exactly was Joan's childhood terrible?
Christopher suffered from what we know today as ADHD. His daughter had children that followed the pattern. But Christopher for instance was harnessed in bed at night at the recommendation of a doctor because he would get up in the middle of the night and wander outside.
@@Garsons-oq4lh Didn't Joan say the family struggled between Anna's husbands, Anna favored Hal, treated joan like a servant and joan was sent to schools where she was mistreated? Didn't Joan tell a story about working at a school and being beaten with a broom and thrown down the stairs? In her own voice in My way of Life?? That sounds horrifying to me.
Never saw this episode when it first aired. By today's standards, it was ahead of its time.
Cheryl is beautiful, so much like her mother.
This interview hit deep on me. I can relate to Mrs. Lana Turner to some degree.
It seems these ladies put their men before their children.
Pretty common back then
I agree that was the programming then.
Lana threw out Lex Barker and filed for divorce as soon as she found out what he was doing to Cheryl. She did put her daughter first. With Stompanato, she was trying to get him out of her life.
@@Muirmaiden Lana also threatened to shoot Lex Barker if he ever touched Cheryl again .
@@Muirmaiden
Yes after 3 years of sexual abuse. And then she took nieuw boyfriend, Italian gangster, very wel known in Hollywood. Imagine you have 13 year old daughter, who was raped en sexually abused and you go on with your career en love life. But no therapy or quality time for your doughter. Cheryl went to live with her father after proces. I don't think Lana was bad person, I think it was very difficult for women in those days and Lana couldn't live without man. And that's why you could say, man was more important than child. But no judgement. Lana was herself very unhappy.
Cheryl Crane had a rough time with Killing that monster and I believe that she would have done it again if it meant protecting her mother. She had so much to deal with when she was younger and it’s so nice to see her healthy whole and still a devoted daughter to her legendary mother, Lana Turner.
I believe both ladies.
But Christina gave a different version in court documents/depositions in relation to contesting Joan's will. At the same time she was selling another version (her book Mommie Dearest) to a publisher. One is supposed to tell the truth in a deposition.
Christina writes in her 1988 book Survivor that "The deposition was one of the most grueling and nerve-wracking experiences I'd ever had."
This from a woman who claimed to have been abused for years by her mother, nearly strangled to death by her mother, and to have allegedly attempted suicide as a teenager. Yet, she says that a legal deposition at the age of 38 was one of her "most grueling" experiences. Ok....
ChristinaCrawfordLied
I admire Christina Crawford.
3:28 I cannot get over the casual way in which he inquires her about rape
It was the 80’s. Get over it
Goodness, yes - I agree with you. Reporters / presenters have learned a lot more about appropriate enquiry ( I think) nowadays. Seems there’s more understanding of extreme trauma.
@@clarissamoll666 You are an idiot.
He was extremely insensitive 😢
I believe Christina because I know a woman named Carolyn who went to a Catholic boarding school with Christina. Joan Crawford was remote, unavailable, preoccupied, and not much of a nurturing mother to Christina.
Joan Crawford basically dumped Christina at the boarding school and she was not allowed to come home, even during holidays…
Joan was a Narcissist
@@rhondablack8079 OK, doc.
@@katherinelehmann9590 So sad that Mommy dearest didn't allow Christina to come home during holidays. but she was actually given the lesser of two evils. If she was allowed to go "home" it was likely she would be abused.
@@loralieisa,
She did go home on holidays. Very often we'd see Joan Crawford and children do a holiday greeting on television. Christina was there.
Christina is the only one left. Christopher and the twins have passed
Wow
And they were younger than her.
The twins, Cathy and Cindy, say that Christina is a liar. They also said that Joan Crawford was a good mother.
They died relatively early.
@@lynnbaker2336 The twins died in 2007 and 2020. Christopher in 2006.
I never was a Joan Crawford fan and I believe Christina. I know from a friend of mine that a mother can abuse one child and not the other.
But Christina gave a different version in court documents/depositions in relation to contesting Joan's will. This all at the same time she was selling another version (her book Mommie Dearest) to a publisher. One is supposed to tell the truth in a court a deposition.
Christina writes in her 1988 book Survivor that "The deposition was one of the most grueling and nerve-wracking experiences I'd ever had."
This from a woman who claimed to have been abused for years by her mother, nearly strangled to death by her mother, and to have allegedly attempted suicide as a teenager. Yet, she says that a legal deposition at the age of 38 was one of her "most grueling" experiences. Ok....
**ChristinaCrawfordLied**
@@Garsons-oq4lh The word "grueling" means extremely tiring and demanding. I do believe Christina.
@samsonian9468
Oh, I see you basically ignore the flip-flopping she did.
Christina also gave a version of their relationship for a 1960 Redbook magazine article too.
The line of questioning in the 1978 deposition stemmed from the Redbook article. In that article, Christina never claimed Joan attacked her or strangled her. She simply said they had issues getting along, and Joan sent her back to school. Flash ahead to after Joan's death in 1977, Christina begins writing a version that later becomes the Mommie Dearest book. She sold the manuscript to a publisher in October 1977, but then the same month in court documents contesting Joan's will, she gives another version of her relationship with Joan. A few months later, in 1978, there was yet another version this time for court ordered depositions.
Add it all up, and it's obvious Christina is lying in one of these versions.
@@Garsons-oq4lh Are you just going to ignore and pretend that she was not abused? Are you sympathasing with the devil? I'm sure she has had mental injury because of the abuse .... Joan Crawford may as well from her family, but you don't just ignore the past (which Joan was known for) one must get help and stop the abuse in the family line, which she did not because she only cared about the future of herself and her career. Very selfish woman.
@@samsonian9468 On May 9th, 1978, Christina Crawford signed and swore to the validity of the statements within a legal Bill of Particulars. In law, a Bill of Particulars is a sworn legal document by which a party has to explain the allegations in his/her complaint, or petition, in greater detail. This sworn document was requested by Joan Crawford's estate attorneys in regard to Christina's Objection To Probate of Joan's will.
Initially, Christina, through her attorneys, fought to not submit a Bill of Particulars. Ultimately, Christina was forced to comply by court order.
The estate's demand for a Bill of Particulars requested answers to 14 assertions made in Christina's October 24th, 1977 Objection To Probate. Christina only complied with supplying 4 answers in her Bill of Particulars. However, the answers Christina did supply are in direct contradiction to the allegations made in her memoir, "Mommie Dearest," and her subsequent interviews.
**ChristinaCrawfordLied**
Cheryl Crane is stunning.
When Christina speaks, she reminds me of Glenn Close.
Especially in her Fatal Attraction roll.
I miss Phil Donahue.
yes, he was a true hero. Kind, real and so sharp with compassion wherever it was warrented. sooo beautiful. we need more like him
His passed away now
Its horrible that Joan Crawford was allowed to purchase her children. It should not have been permitted. June Allyson did too.
They still do today.
Adoption agency would not let Joan Crawford adopt from them. That's why she went to the black market. Mary Tyler Moore made a movie about the woman who sold the children.
@@ginawhiteley8834 Are you implying Joan was in cahoots with the perpetrators or was even aware for that matter? The adoptions were all done legally.
@@Garsons-oq4lh I read the books and saw the movie. So I just know what anyone else knows by reading the book and watching the movie 🎬.
@@ginawhiteley8834 You didn't answer the question.
I think Christina Crawford is and was absolutely BRILLIANT and so COURAGEOUS for telling the truth of what happened to her. And the caller from 11yrs prior, that ripped Christina’s book apart was so disrespectful. She was commenting on the image of the Joan Crawford screen actress. Just more proof that the actors on screen are people too.
Christina told an entirely different story of her relationship with her mother in various sworn legal documents, and in two 1978, sworn court ordered depositions. This at the same time she was peddling her manuscript to a publisher and releasing it to the public. Excerpts were released which prompted the court ordered depositions. Christina made the accusation in her book that Joan in a fit of rage nearly strangled her to death, yet in the deposition over the course of 7 pages she feigns ignorance of the event. Makes one wonder. Well, was she telling the truth in her book or under oath. The whole point of a deposition is to tell the truth.
I agree with you about Christina Crawford.
The beginning of that vid, I have a comment. She talks about her mother dating/marrying a lot of men, and the judgements made. Funny thing, Mae West had no trouble or care for what everyone else had to say about how many men she messed around with. All the way till her death, she slept with whoever she desired, and refused to cowtow to "norms".
As for these women being strong and willing to speak up, I found it empowering and brave.
We like to romanticize the hay days of Hollywierd, but things were just as hard for women then, as they are now.
i just listened to Christina reading her book after watching her first interview with Donohue. i always believed her, but the book left some holes and was not in chronological order, so it was confusing. i read in a comment that Bette Davis did not think the book was true. but Bette did not like Crawford at all. so that was confusing. what i finally concluded was that the publishers were in a great rush to publish and did not edit the writing at all. it needed an editor to bring it into continuity and give some reasoning to some of the things Christina did and thought.
her explanation of her depression was so poignant and real. hers was way deeper and profound than mine. it seems as a child, she was very stubborn and, i think that and her intelligence (and the usual luck) is what pulled her through. She certainly had a good teacher in her “mother” as to throwing fits and anger. that was her only model her entire childhood. luckily she had some healthy time with the people in her boarding school for a while.
Lana Turner seems like she was a caring, lovely woman who went through a lot of trauma herself. (Crawford was not a nice person at all. as she got older, she became an austere, stoney person to her daughter and in her roles on TV, which i saw when i was around 12. did not like her. liked everyone else - even Tallulah, who was marvelous.
Christina is now 85 and i hope she is contented.
Cheryl cranes story, to me, is sad and horrible. Cheryl really loved her mother, that she actually risked her life to save her mother from Johnny Stompanato. Tho Cheryl never wanted to kill him by purpose but did it accidentally. It's weird that so many people still say that Cheryl took the blame for her mother, but Cheryl said that even if she did take the blame and it was her mother who killed him, she would of told everybody she took the rap.
I believe Cheryl's story.
She could have called the police. I wonder where Cheryl was when Johnny told Lana He would cut her face.
@@itravisoni She was in her room when she heard it. After she heard it, she was so scared for her mother's sake and hers, so she did the only thing that a kid would do for they're mother/ father.
@Toni Travisoni If Cheryl did call the police, Johnny would have been arrested, but keep in mind this guy was super dangerous. He said that no matter what he would find a way to find Lana and he would have gotten Cheryl kidnapped and chopped up into pieces
@@pennywise6266 I wonder if Cheryl heard everything Johnny said to Lana. Mysteries and Scandals said that Cheryl heard Him then went into the kitchen to grab the knife.
@@itravisoni Yeah, she did hear everything bc he was shouting at her. And that's why Cheryl got a knife to protect herself and her mother.
I truly believe it was Miss Lana Turner who did it.
It's in Esther Williams' as-told-to autobiography how Esther and her husband Fernando Lamas believed Lana killed Stompanato while he was sleeping. Fernando theorized, correctly, I believe, if Johnny saw Cheryl coming at him with a knife, he would have thrown her out the window. The idea of a teenage girl offing a Mafia soldier is pretty far-fetched.
I don't.
@@akrenwinkle exactly! It was all a set up! Where can I read or watch that theory?
That could be true. She wouldn't have went to prison because of what Johnny threatened Her life.
Honestly, if Lana did do it, I don't blame her. If someone threatened to kill me or my mother, and daughter, I would've tried to kill him too. But she would have gotten Cheryl to take the blame. Which is truly disgusting and unmotherly of Lana.
These people are so brave movie stars live on another planet
Hello 👋 how are you doing?
This is an interesting "behind the scenes" look at classic Hollywood.
I believe Christina, and even her brother Christopher concurred with her account. Christopher was so traumatized he just didn't want anything to do with the limelight.
Joan was at her wits end with Christopher and per his doctor she used the harness to keep him safe from sleep walking. It was very common practice.
I believe christina.my heart goes out to Christopher.
Cheryl's book was very good. She has such a healthy decent perspective.
I agree I read both Detour & Lana's book. I found many different perceptions in both Mother/Daughter memories. Lana was not a present parent in Cheryl's life, her grandmother was. Lana wrote of vacations, movies & men. Lana was Hollywood self absorbed. Her daughter paid the price & forgave her.
I really miss this show. I watch phil Donahue for many year!
I did like the show, but Phil became so arrogant over the years, that I couldn’t watch him any longer!
I read in 1999 Cathy LoLonde, one of the twins, sued Christina and won for public statements she wrongfully made about her. Christina said the twins weren't "real" twins and unlike her, who was legally adopted were bought on the black market, and Cathy was lyimg about being a twin. Christina said Joan just got two girls who looked alike and said they were twins to boost her career. When it went to court Christina was a no show.
I don't doubt that Christina probably was on the receiving end of SOME kind of abuse but the way the twins and their defense of Joan are consistently dismissed shows that some people desperately want the 1981 "Mommie Dearest" version to be 100% facts and true which even Christina has said it's not. And those familiar enough with this saga have also got a pretty good look at Christina's own behavior over the years. I just can't take people seriously when they ask us to venerate her like she's the original Elizabeth Smart or something...
@@jamesa.romano8500speaking from personal experience in my own family - my mom had 4 children and the 2nd born (my younger sister) got pretty much all the abuse from both my parents. It started basically from birth. I, however, am incredibly close with both my parents.
The sad thing is, I think my sister was always stubborn and headstrong naturally and emotional…while the rest of my siblings were very docile and appeasing and compromising and not very emotional. I think this is why my sister was singled out, even at the age of 3. But also…I believe the abuse altered my sister for the worst. She is a liar…she is consumed with jealousy and revenge…she refuses to apologize when she is wrong…and she is often toxic to be around and has a scary temper.
My parents say this justifies WHY she was singled out. They say she was ALWAYS this way and none of this has to do with their parenting. She was BORN difficult and unkind. I believed their narrative as a kid and even a young adult. Especially bc my sister seemed to hate me for no reason and was unkind to me.
Now that I’m in my 30s and with kids of my own - I see everything so much differently. I see the incredible harshness and unfairness in the way they treated her. The abuse they gave to her at the age of 5 even. She is the way she is BECAUSE of their treatment of her and in response to her trauma.
She lies, yes….and her perspective on reality can be very askew at times…and I don’t think we will ever be very close, but I KNOW that her abuse was real.
If she were to write a book for money about the abuse of my parents - I would probably be inclined to say she is lying, mostly because I think it is plain wrong to air out my family’s dirty laundry for money. I love my parents and I don’t want their flaws on display for the world.
Has nothing to do with cc being badly abused.
@@fromstockton11 The fact she was a no show in court says a lot about her character, and since the movie came out it was the younger generation that did not believe her story which is why it didn't do well at the box office. I was never convinced by her claims and I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle, especially since she released the book shortly after Joans' death.
Her original interview with Donahue is more informative.
@@sherriianiro747 people are no-shows in court all the time. Where have you been? The attorney will be there to represent the defense or other party. It happens thousands of times a day across this country. It's why you hire an attorney. I would not have attended either. Minutia.
Lana fue una buena persona. Le dejo su mansion al ama de llaves que siempre la acompaño ❤
I truly believe both ladies.
Hollywood has left nobody unshathed. Fame isn't worth it.
Cheryl was lovely.
I would like the two first Crawford siblings to take a DNA test. I bet they are her real kids. Celebrities of that day adopted thier own kids as a cover.
I dunno if christopher ever did, but Christina did find out about her biological family (as did the twins) she was not Joan's natural daughter.
@@JoJo-ie8slthey both did and they are not related to Joan
Loretta Young did that but I don't think it was common practice.
Phil Donahue had. fabulous hair.
I find him annoying and irritating.
@@ranc1977you watch the View and adore whoopie don't you.
@@athenathegreatandpowerful6365 Yeah, I am Whoopie's team.
The way Cheryl tells the story kind of makes me believe that she lied to cover for Lana Turner 🤷🏽♀️
She did. Lana killed him.
I have always wondered that as well. But, if it was self defense, why lie? I guess it would be easier for a child to be seen as innocent.
We will never no . 10:46
It was actually lana Turner that gutted Johnny. She would have lost her career in Hollywood and went to prison for life had she admitted to the murder. Cheryl was a minor and her lawyers claimed it was self defense so all she did was go to juvenile hall for a while. Cheryl took the fall for her mom. She was the fall girl. The Hollywood clean up people were there with attorneys, etc and were the first to see the bloody scene. " She gutted him" is what one attorney said. They got rid of the mattress that was soaked with his blood and placed his body away from the bed and on the floor. If you notice the black and white photos where he lies on the ground, there is no blood anywhere around him. He had bled to death on the mattress. Lana had come home and found them both in bed, asleep, naked. She went to the kitchen and grabbed the butcher knife that ended his life. Lana did it. Read Eric Root book. That was her hairdresser. The blond haired gentleman you see her with during the last years of her life. She instructed him to write and tell everyone that she did it after she had passed away. The Hollywood community suspected it was her even back then.
Where did you receive this information? Just curious. This is the first I've heard of this.
@@Jenwinter85 several places. research , research, research. Read Erik Root Biography. Read newspaper clipping from that time. The hollywood comm knew the truth.
@@fromstockton11 Eric Root is not reliable. He published that book weeks after Lana's death. He also claimed that Sharon Tate was planning a birthday party for him on the night of August 8, 1969, when there was no party planned. Moreover, the knife that killed Stompanato was inserted upside down (sharp side up) indicating that the person who held the knife didn't know how to handle them. Cheryl was rarely allowed in the kitchen and she had only handled butter knives. Also, a charm bracelet Cheryl was wearing was found outside of the door of Lana's bedroom.
@@Muirmaiden everything you just wrote is hearsay and not mentioned anywhere in writing. Eric Root knew Lana for many years. He was her hairdresser and travel companion and lover. The position of the knife is irrelevant. The charm bracelet location means absolutely nothing
@@fromstockton11 No, it's not hearsay. Eric Root claimed in an interview that Sharon Tate was planning a birthday party for him. Everything else I wrote was from other sources (in writing), including Cheryl Crane's autobiography. Do research before you accuse someone else of not doing that.
my grandmother when to school with Lana Turner in san francisco
My cousins went to school with Christina & their father was horrible abusive to them & their mother. He was a star also. My family had several stars, I spent my childhood in the studios. My life was traumatic also.
What you can't even name the star father?
Who was he?
I believe Lana’s lawyers concocted the story they needed to. Cheryl did whatever her mother wanted her to with regards to the trial. All the studio and Lana worried about was absolving Lana of blame.
Facts.
I believe Christine.
Her name is Christina
I believe Christina too.
You know why people dis liked Christina, you have to view this like that generation did. First think of your favorite actress that is alive today...you got it?? Ok, now picture them having a daughter and this whole time you thought things were great, because of pictures and interviews, like youve seen decades of this! Now picture that actress is now old and died. Then the daughter writes a truth book about your beloved actress....you got that feeling??? Well thats why they didnt like Christina. Then you got the newer generation who see the truth, but you still cant see it because you've been brainwashed by years of fake pictures and fake interviews.
Well, im the new generation and I believe Christina.❤
This is like if Beyonce's daughter or Micheal Jackson's kids coming out with truth books after the celebrites have died. They would get countless hate by millenials, but Gen Alpha would see the truth for what it really is.
Not really. On the contrary most of the people that did not believe her were the boomers, that's why the movie failed at the box office because she wasn't credible. She made conflicting statements in her depositions too.
Thank you for sharing.i enjoy christina crawford.
Hmm, what I heard was that Lana Turner woke up and Johnny wasn’t in the bed and she heard some strange sounds and followed them to her daughter’s bedroom and found him on top of her daughter and stabbed him to death. Then the daughter took responsibility for killing him. That’s what I heard after Miss Turner died.
OK? Who gives a shit what you heard lmao, it doesnt make it true. The only three people who know what happened that night are Lana, Cheryl and Johnny. And the truth is probably close to what they said in court, people always just want things to be "juicer", "more exciting" and a "conspiracy" lol when real life is much less exciting than that. I bet you also one of those people who believe celebrities do :"satanic rituals" and are able to "sell their soul to the devil" lmaoooo
No that is not what happened. Lana Turner died many years ago, and Cheryl Crane is still telling the same story. Cheryl had been raped by a previous stepfather, and she said that Lana always set boundaries with other men after that. They were never alone with Cheryl or even innocently physical like a kiss on the cheek. A lot of people knew that Stompanato was abusive to Lana, but none of her friends made much effort to help her escape the relationship.... except Sean Connery who punched him once.
@@kirsten2769 I know one true fact, neither one of us was there! So whatever reached us is irrelevant.
I believe it because he was stabbed in the chest and did not fight back. All makes sense
My mother said Lana deserved another Oscar for her court performance
You better marry them before it got in the news. Well, in the 1930-1940s there was a ban on birth control and divorce back then.
7/16/23: JC may have been a talented actress, but the truth is the truth. She was a tyrant and a child abuser, someone who needed professional help. Unfortunately, she didn't get it. I don't believe for a second that Christina lied about the way she and her brother were treated all those years. She couldn’t have made that shit up! JC knew how to turn it on for the cameras when people were watching, but what went on behind closed doors was another story, as can be said for MANY people, but was a very dark place in her case. As for the twins, they didn't undergo the abuse Christina and Christopher were subjected to (they came much later) so, of course, they're gonna defend their mother. And because of it, they inherited what should have been shared with Christina and Christopher. The woman on the phone was delusional. And, like the woman in the audience who was upset by Christina’s book, it's a shame that there are those who refuse to believe that JC was capable of her tyrannical and abusive behavior because of her fame. People who are famous make unbelievable mistakes too, as we have witnessed in some form or fashion over the years with many others! As far as corroborations to Christina’s story, as she indicated there were plenty who knew, but no one wanted to get involved, and that’s the problem with the world we live in today. People would rather turn a blind eye and deaf ear than to get involved in helping a child in an abusively desperate situation until it’s too late. I'm glad Christina wrote her book, which I read. I hope those who have experienced the unfortunate trauma Christina & Christopher did finds her book therapeutic. Despite Christina's stroke, she came out whole on the other side and I applaud her.
Christina gave a different version in court documents/depositions (in relation to contesting Joan's will) all the while she was selling another (her book MD) to a publisher. She writes in her later 1988 book Survivor that "The deposition was one of the most grueling and nerve-wracking experiences I'd ever had."
This from a woman who claimed to have been abused for years by her mother, nearly strangled to death by her mother, and to have allegedly attempted suicide as a teenager. Yet, she says that a legal deposition at the age of 38 was one of her "most grueling" experiences. Ok....
ChristinaCrawfordLied
Christina was the "target child." I've read the book, and I believe it. Some people are so enamored of a celebrity, like the woman on the phone and the one in the audience, they refuse to belive the truth. As in the case of O.J.Simpson's acquittal, I recall one juror saying she didn't necessarily think he was innocent, but he had been such a great football star she couldn't find him guilty. If Joan Crawford had succeeded in killing Christina when she tried, fans like I've mentioned would surely have acquitted her. No wonder they call them idols.
@@wilmamcphail4686 Well said.
@@wilmamcphail4686 Christina made the accusation in her book that Joan nearly strangled her to death if not for someone (a woman employee of Joan's) in the house with them that day to stop it. Christina put a name to this woman in her 20th anniversary edition as Billie. At what point on any of Christina's many television interviews did she offer this woman as a witness to corroborate her claim? The answer is not once. Neither was there a solo print or television interview from Billie corroborating Christina's claim, either.
Christina also made no accusation of violence in her court documents contesting Joan's will or in a 1960 interview with Redbook magazine.
I actually thought Crawford overacted. She had starred in garbage movies and had never been nominated once for an Oscar until her breakthrough at age 40 in Mildred Pierce, and even that was an overacting job. And while Bette Davis got the nomination nod for Whatever Happened To Baby Jane?, Crawford got passed over yet again.
There were rumors that Lana actually stabbed Stompanato and Cheryl didn't want to damage her mother's career. But I would hope Ms. Turner would not let her daughter do that.
I am still trying to figure out how, with all her money and power, she just didn't have him arrested and/or thrown out.
@nassauguy48 that would've caused controversy. If the public knew that she was in a relationship with that type of man, she possibly would've had her career down the drain. In those days, you didn't publicize such things. It would've ruined her career.
Plus the guy, Johnny, had ties with Mickey Cohen and he was very dangerous and a notorious gangster. So if Johnny was arrested, mickey would've been exposed too. And maybe, they would've went after Lana and Cheryl. They could've been killed.
@nassauguy48 plus Johnny threatened her that if she ever left him, he would've had her and her daughter cut up into pieces. So she was basically stuck and scared to death. She didn't want to have herself dead or her daughter dead
Lana Turner was discovered in a malt shop.
Yes, I can't remember the name of the malt shop. It was across the street from Hollywood High School.
@@ginawhiteley8834 if I'm not mistaken Lana was also known as the sweater girl
Not true. That was a publicity stunt.
I think the malt shop was named Curry’s
At Highland and Sunset Blvd.
Joan Crawford was awful to Christina & her brother.
Christina is a LIAR
@@trishbaum6364 Joan Crawford was a Monster Mom!
@@carollee6963 no she wasn't!!! Stop watching a one sided movie made by a spoiled child. Christina tried in Hollywood and failed. Everyone said Christina was difficult to work with. Joan's twin daughters, secretary and close friends like Myrna Loy say no she was not abusive. The movie even proves how narcissistic Christina was. She didn't publish her book until her mother was dead. Why don't you do actual research like news paper articles showing Christopher escaping the house as a child and doctors then suggested a harness to keep him safe then his other issues. Christina even lied about what she was told by her mother's assistant. Joan never said dammit don't ask God to help me. That was made up by Christina. If you actually listen to Christina and read you'll see many discrepancies. Even a letter her mom wrote her wasn't mean. Christina talks on a radio show and says positive things about her mom. Even Faye dunaway who played Joan in the movie says she doesn't believe Christina's claims. Joan wasn't perfect as there is no such thing but it's unfair to lie and portray her as a monster when she wasn't. Watch Christina in interviews especially with Larry king live as you get older you can see through people like her.
@@trishbaum6364 shuddup
@AWS can't handle the truth @Trish speaks can you.
apologies before hand rip lana turner and cheryel ypu awesome
The difference between the two is Cheryl loved and protected her mother. Christina on the other hand did everything
she could to destroy and ruin her mother's name!
Because she was a monster. That woman should never have been allowed to adopt
Christina was a child, Joan did that on her own.
As if you know anything
@@joywimer4281 No you do! Dummy!
@@sallywilliams5444 no she wasn't.
Mommy dearest had Narcissistic personality disorder/it was probably genetic too!
If you look at Joan 1950s movie - they all feature NPD. In one of the movies Joan plays insane person.
Christina is an exaggerator and makes up a lot of stuff Cheryl is very truthful
when exactly is Cheryl truthful and which stuff did Christina make up? specifics would help
@@haintedhouse2990 Christina told an entirely DIFFERENT story of her relationship with her mother in various sworn legal documents, and in TWO 1978, sworn court ordered depositions. All this at the same time she was setting in motion her book to be published. Excerpts were released which led to Christina to be court-ordered to the depositions. She was repeatedly questioned about the strangulation she endured at Joan's hands yet over seven pages of deposition she feigns ignorance. Also of note is the fact that never in all the years Christina told that story did the woman who was there (Billie) ever provide testimony confirming it (no statement or anything did Christina get from the woman).
@@Garsons-oq4lh The strangulation has been witnessed and that person was deposed.
Christina moved to Idaho in a town north of me by a few miles. Got on the Commissioner boards and everyone hated her. She wanted to stop logging, mining, ranching, a true CA entitled brat.
@@coyotedust Good for her. You're the entitled brat.
the truth is the truth even if no one believes you...living in a disfuntional and toxic fam..affects a child profoundly
Wonder how they weee able to take that court footage as it was not allowed back then…. This is a fascinating interview. DONAHUE was the best daytime TV talk show show ever.
I love reading these comments and replies. Especially while eating popcorn, exclaiming “OH Myyyy” and clutching my pearls every few minutes. 😂
23:13 "Come out of the closet... with a knife??" Omg Phil 😂😂😂
I believe Christina. There were plenty of Joans Hollywood friends to corroborate.
What exactly of Christina's story did they corroborate like in specific events?
Kirk Douglas said he saw the kids tied up
Betty Grable, Natalie Schaffer, June Allison, Lana Turner all spoke up in Christina’s defense…. And that’s just off the top of my head
@@tranurse Interesting that Betty Grable commented on MOMMY DEAREST (1978), since she died in 1973.
@@johnfd0210 I was trying to remember off the top of my head, I meant Betty Hutton…… my bad
@@tranurse In all these years I've yet to find a quote from Betty Hutton commenting on Joan Crawford and the children.
I believe Christina even if she was also sort of spoiled like her 'haters' say. There are people that saw so many red flags in regards to the children
Joan Crawford gave all of the Christmas gifts to Charity and made her children aware of the cruelty towards them. Charity is a great thing but that was not Christian of her but rather pure Evil.
The children were gifted many gifts from Joan's fans but only allowed to keep one with the rest going to charity.
She said Joan was “not America’s sweetheart let’s be serious”….actually Miss Christina Crawford, she WAS most certainly that title for from atleast 1930-1936. When she aged out, she was forced to transform. Joan was the most admired woman in America for many, many years. Especially to young women in the depression era who felt trapped in wretched, soul crushing professions. She provided them a glamorous escapism with her rags-to-riches ingenue roles….her anger and hatred for “Mommie” is irrational at times.
18:18 Lana Turner says it happened.
Team Christina period
I don’t think Joan Crawford was a bad person or an evil one. I think Joan Crawford was a damaged person, who had survived horrific things. I think she loved her children desperately, but wasn’t capable of being anyone’s mother, when the first two children were adopted. I think she was a lot more stable when she had the twins, so of course they had a different mother. Look at Bing Crosby’s kids. His kids from his first marriage had a totally different father, than his two kids from his second marriage…
Agreed. She was incredibly damaged, and she covered it up with glitz and glamor. That can only help for so long.
I do believe that she may have been very strict and may have smacked them a few times when they misbehaved, but nothing severe. Joan grew up with a mother that didn't care about her and she resented that she never got proper love.
The only love she really received was from her fans. She loved being loved, I think. Her devotion to her fans was extraordinary.
None of us know what happened with Lana Turner because her daughter took the blame. I would like to see her daughter take a lie detector test to clear her name.
I have always believed that Cheryl Crane took the rap for her mother.
Did Lana speak of it on her death bed?
I attended that Phil Donahue Show in 1978. I hated that call @14:42
Christina made the accusation in her book that Joan nearly strangled her to death if not for someone (a woman employee of Joan's) in the house with them that day to stop it. Christina put a name to this woman in her 20th anniversary edition as Billie. At what point on any of Christina's many television interviews did she offer this woman as a witness to corroborate her claim? The answer is not once.
There was also not one solo print or television interview from this woman corroborating Christina's claim either.
Christina also made no accusation of violence in her court documents contesting Joan's will or in 1960 interviews with Redbook magazine and Mike Wallace.
Cheryl is amazing
After Lana died, two of her hairdressers said that Lana confessed that she'd done it.
Sure, and they were probably paid well by the tabloids to make up a story like that. The court files and crime photos are still accessible, and match the story given by Lana and her daughter. If Lana had stabbed Stompanato, people would have said she'd lied to cover for her daughter.
@@kirsten2769 ... And just how does the evidence still "match" Lana's and Cheryl's story?? Don't be a cyber faux authority goofus.
Without having read Christina's book it sounds like a book about a child that was abused whose mother happened to be famous.
How wild that Cheryl Crane astutely names her teen rebellion in the face of childhood SA trauma as self punishment and yet she is oblivious that she is contently settled into self harming in the most extreme and costly way possible.
I read that Lana Turner killed her boyfriend. It was a cover-up. She was a famous actress who could have ended been sent to prison.
There are a ton of presentables who emit hate in one direction so others don't see who they really are. I don't mind being the target because it does adversely effect their lives when their withholds are confronted. Simply because I exist.
It didn't work because I had a straight.
The Mrs. Griersons of the world are so tortured by that. **giggle**
Thankyou for making it so special. That is my goal. To cheapen the sexuality of others. Because it's irrelevant.
Don't go by a name. Just buy what you like.
I believe Christina!
Later, Gary Crosby said that he lied in order to sell his book. He apologized to the family, but it was too late.
Cheryl did a courageous thing when she eliminated sleazeball Stompanato, who probably would have injured her mother.
" Lesbian Relationship " ... instead just try "Relationship".
What would Mr Donahue's 'response' be if I enquired if he was satisfied with his "Heterosexual" r'ship, affair,marraige/s ?
I'm fairly certain Ms Grey is not the first person to have had a same sex r'ship.
Just as long as you are able to give & feel love is the most important thing for any human being ... doesn't' matter what their gender is; it's really nobody else's business !
Christina was very homophobic
Where can l buy her book
Beauty is in eye of the Beholder ..
christina doesnt seem to have
any appreciation that she was adopted
away from poverty .. always complains
Christina is despicable,she accomplished nothing in her life except ghost writing this awful book that her mother cannot respond to .The only way she could make a living is to ghost write a book and give countless interviews
The callee obviously didn't read the letters from people who witnessed the abuse.
It's true that others may be aware of the abuse but stay out of it. Case in point John Philips abuse of his daughter Makenzie. A number of celebs at the time ( including the always stoned step- mom Michelle ) stated in interviews that they were aware of whatJohhn was doing to his daughter. Hence, Lana's comment to Cheryl about the book.
Yesterday's "romantics" are today's "codependents". It's a shame that Lana Turner had so many men come and go and that it was so tumultuous
Who were the other two people on the panel? Anybody know?
Joan Crawford and Lana Turner had big problems and very human women who should have gotten into therapy
Daughter and real estate, yes.
The ink's back.
You are so strong. Ofcourse she couldn't write the book when her Mother was alive. What is wrong with the Woman who called? Shes in fantasy land. People are living in fantasy land amd alotnof people are in fantasy Land. I know Christina in her Brother was being Abused. Fans did not live with Joan Crawford as her Children. When the fans live with Joan as her Children them they cam speak on it. I wont write anything Bad about any family member until they die cuz when they are alive they will lie and deny everything. Thats waht abusers do. They dint admit moat of the Time.
So this Lana Turner incident is the story that was used in September (1987).
Disturbing
Cant stand this phil Donahue. He provokes & very insensitive in the way he just isn't listening, just firing questions like bullits, waiting to dive in & even interrupting the ladies mid sentence. He absolutely means to be derogatory. These ladies suffered awful abuse by their mothers & in today's world famous or not, these terrible mothers today would be in prison.
They were untouchable & sadly their daughters weren't.
Faye Dunaway was as mean and crazy as Joan Crawford 😮
I cannot watch movie dearest again so sad
Felt so sad for little Christina
I was out of my
Mind when Joan. Was choking her daughter w both
Hands 😮😢😂😅
Wow what an insensitive interviewer
Joan’s twin daughters had a totally different experience with Joan. Not sure if Joan quit drinking by then? Also Christina lied about the twins and the twins sued her.
And Patty..
it was not the daughter that did it. it was lana. she could not risk losing her career and freedom so the daughter took the rap for that murder.