I still say the Garrosh we saw in Stonetalon was peak. It gave him so much more than just 'kill, kill, never stop', he had a weird code about warfare and it showed when he went as far as executing the same general he told to secure the place. Then when he thinks you're involved he's about to do you the same way until the same man who lost it all in one day vouches for you. And Garrosh _actually_ takes it, not because 'lol player character' but because he recognizes 'yeah, okay, fair enough'.
Garrosh's story is probably one of my favs. WoD was abandoned by the dev team to focus more on the Legion launch. . . which is why the Iron Horde never truly felt like a huge threat. Very large missed opportunity there by Blizz, that would have been amazing. Hell, they never even finished Fahralon (Netherstorm), which at the time was going to be a starter zone for new players I believe. Had they embelished the Iron Horde, Garrosh's involvement with it, and fleshed out WoD more. . . pretty sure people would call out today that it was one of their favorite expansions. I hate seeing creative missed opportunities! (as it stands, WoD is still one of my fav expansions visually. They made a living, beautiful world but forgot the heart)
I've had a mug with garrosh sitting on the warchiefs seat and my head editted on it for years hahahaaa Garrosh is a beast and wins 1V1s as a warrior = O... unheard of, what a beast
People were right in saying that Thrall cheated, using the elements is not using your own power, if this is a Mak'Gora that is, not sure if it every was established to be one or if it was just a fight to the death. Thrall lost the ability to use the Doomhammer and to use most of his elemental powers not because he cheated but because on one hand even though he doesn't admit it in the cinematic, he knows Garrosh was right, Garrosh didn't want to be a Warchief but Thrall insisted on him becoming one, all the crimes and war could have been avoided if Thrall hadn't pushed Garrosh into that role, he is a broken man after that cinematic. The other reason why he lost these powers is because he used the elements in anger, he took pleasure in killing Garrosh in that moment he used his powers to force all of the four elements to obliterate a opponent that was already defeated, Thrall didn't win the fight, he butchered Garrosh and enjoyed it, in that moment he was an Orc just like Garrosh and his true Horde, revelling in the feeling of annihilating an enemy with overwhelming power and he realized how addicting and easy it was to fall for it. Both the elements, realizing how unhinged Thrall can be didn't want to give him their power anymore.
Yes! Perfect summation of what happened. I admittedly never cared for Thrall, cause aside from establishing the Horde as we know it, he pushed a warrior to be a leader, a warrior who didn't want that role. He abandoned the Horde to go play jesus for Azeroth during the Cataclysm. And when he finally decided to come back to it, he took zero responsibility for his actions causing the Horde to fall apart, instead just pinning everything on Garrosh just cause the orc led the Horde as he thought it should've been led. Does that excuse Garrosh's actions? No. But they wouldn't have happened in the first place if Thrall hadn't left. Its why i'm honestly glad he lost those shamanistic powers, cause he used them in anger and for power in that moment, and clearly enjoyed it. Now he's just a warrior, and I hope they never put in some way that gives him those shaman powers back
They got lazy with Garrosh, they could of turned him villain in so many other ways, but instead they said. "hmm Nope lets make Garrosh the WoW version of Hitler." I disagree I think had they gone another way and slowly corrupted Garrosh. Hell maybe given him a wife we like, and tried to have an honorable war with the Alliance for (insert reason.) she ends up dying and this is the thing that sends him over the edge. Make his part in Pandaria more about finding a power to bring her back, and this is where he loses his way to the sha, and goes full war criminal. So that we could have something similar to WoD, but not having Garrosh be a straight up Hilter as they decided to make him. ( like where they were headed with that one stone talon mountain quest, but that quest was never suppose to be in the game. because they chose to go with nazi garrosh, but forgot to remove that quest. AS for WoD. WOD had great story, and story telling untill they decided to cut it off at the knees and not finish the content in Lue of starting on Legion. Not only did we miss out on a huge part of Yrel's story, we lost an entire zone/raid as well.
And to the people that said Thrall Cheated. In a Mak'gora, the rules have to be agreed upon before hand, otherwise its no holds barred. Garrosh's pride over took his wisdom and intelligence. Had he been smart he would of banned Thrall's magic's, but he didn't. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
To everyone claiming that Thrall cheated in final cinematic.: Rules of each individual Mak'gora are set before the duel itself. Same with Varok vs Sylvanas, no one ask before to exclude magic.
Was Garrosh v Thrall a Mak'Gora, or was it just a case of Thrall wanted him dead? If it wasn't a Mak'Gora, does that still count as Thrall cheating? Relatively new to WoW so idk if it's a Mak'Gora rule or just an Orc rule in general
It was a Mak'Gora. Thrall cheated because you are allowed only 1 weapon, and he used his magic when he was losing. The elements stopped answering his call after the duel, until finally in legion he gave up doomhammer as he faced the fact that he needed to work through what he did, and stepped back to focus on his family.
Using magic is not cheating during Mak'Gora in the game. There were Mak'Gora before this one that used magic and it was not considered cheating. Thrall lost his connection to the elements because of guilt and self-doubt. He felt guilty for using the elements in a way he viewed as wrong (for vengeance), not because he cheated.
Tbh the Thrall-Garrosh conflict is so real, it's like a parent giving all the responsibilities to a child and without any guidance or without him being ready for it, he screws up and then the parent blames him and says he fails. Bro that crushes my heart.
No. Garrosh could have made different choices and he could have just refused. Garrosh has no redemption thats his whole thing. Do you not remember his spirit in the shadowlands raid? I REGRET NOTHING. Like wtf are you talking about?
@@Valhallen002 I don't think you comprehend how growing up in certain scenarios will literally dictate the person you are. The whole nature vs nurture spiel. If you bring up a child in the worst circumstances, the child isn't at fault for who they've become. Like in an alternate universe, all of the worst leaders/killers could've been very nice people if circumstances were different. So no, Garrosh wouldn't have been able to make different choices due to how he was shaped. Does that help you?
No I stand by what I said. He was a racist and a monster, his pride and ego. These are character flaws and his choices. I've made excuses myself and it doesn't lead anywhere.@@wowandrss
"As Garrosh was defeated, the heart and its power dissipated, leaving nothing left of Y'Shaarj's corrupting influence." Plot armor so Thrall could finish him in WOD. @@Asterion_Mol0c
I also find it ironic how he blames Thrall for letting Warlocks practice in the cleft, but then he's totally alright with DARK SHAMAN LOL@@Asterion_Mol0c
I think Arthas is the best villain because hes the most iconic one, but Garrosh is close second, especially because we saw him rise and fall over 5 expansions
Wouldn't the best villains be someone we both have reason to hate and come together against. Garrosh and Arthas can both be sympathized with. Even Illidan. Now put us against old gods that could give no shits about us, winner chicken dinner.
Mak'gora has its traditional rules, No adding on it. Or its considered cheating. Var'ok Sauerfang called out sylvanas for a Mak'gora Yet she used magic to win it. u can argue she's an elf and has no idea about Orcisch makgoras. But that won't make her not a cheater. About thrall vs garosh It was 1v1 between two orcs And all 1v1 outside a battle is a mak'gora by default. Thrall himself know that and paid his shamanism as a price for his cheating.
Oh the times when WOW actually wasn't all PG and disnefyed. It's a shame that Dragonflight is such a PG expansion character and lore wise. The gearing, classes etc... are amazing.
I really like Xar but his reactions are far from fair use tbh, he doesn’t really add any commentary he just watches it, which is fine ofc but the weird part is he uploads it on his utube channel 😅
Kil'Jaeden/Sargeras are the best villains in WoW. Arthas was just a man, Garrosh was just an orc. Kil'jaeden used to be Draenei, but become so powerful with the fel he was Sargeras's right hand. Illidan was never really a bad guy. Azshara is even more interesting than Garry.
I still say the Garrosh we saw in Stonetalon was peak.
It gave him so much more than just 'kill, kill, never stop', he had a weird code about warfare and it showed when he went as far as executing the same general he told to secure the place. Then when he thinks you're involved he's about to do you the same way until the same man who lost it all in one day vouches for you.
And Garrosh _actually_ takes it, not because 'lol player character' but because he recognizes 'yeah, okay, fair enough'.
Best villain for me will always be Arthas, but Illidan and Garrosh are right up there. I just wish the end of Garrosh's arc was as badass as he was.
I liked mop. Def had the best world building even to this day
I wish the writer of that side quest that “got his character wrong” was actually the lead writer lol
22:00 to 23:00 is basically blizzard going "our bad, we showed signs of good writing but then we forgot we only do 2d characters nowadays".
For me its the Headless Horseman. I got chills my first Time running through Goldshire and saw this dude yelling ar you from the Sky 😂
Garrosh's story is probably one of my favs. WoD was abandoned by the dev team to focus more on the Legion launch. . . which is why the Iron Horde never truly felt like a huge threat. Very large missed opportunity there by Blizz, that would have been amazing. Hell, they never even finished Fahralon (Netherstorm), which at the time was going to be a starter zone for new players I believe. Had they embelished the Iron Horde, Garrosh's involvement with it, and fleshed out WoD more. . . pretty sure people would call out today that it was one of their favorite expansions. I hate seeing creative missed opportunities! (as it stands, WoD is still one of my fav expansions visually. They made a living, beautiful world but forgot the heart)
I've had a mug with garrosh sitting on the warchiefs seat and my head editted on it for years hahahaaa Garrosh is a beast and wins 1V1s as a warrior = O... unheard of, what a beast
39:45
he reminds me so much of Vegeta there
I didnt know all that either and ive been playing as long as you have....its crazy.
Lmfao i missed the detail of the weird nude druidic convention in the woods 💀 moooo
This story is head and heels better than anything in recent lore
People were right in saying that Thrall cheated, using the elements is not using your own power, if this is a Mak'Gora that is, not sure if it every was established to be one or if it was just a fight to the death.
Thrall lost the ability to use the Doomhammer and to use most of his elemental powers not because he cheated but because on one hand even though he doesn't admit it in the cinematic, he knows Garrosh was right, Garrosh didn't want to be a Warchief but Thrall insisted on him becoming one, all the crimes and war could have been avoided if Thrall hadn't pushed Garrosh into that role, he is a broken man after that cinematic. The other reason why he lost these powers is because he used the elements in anger, he took pleasure in killing Garrosh in that moment he used his powers to force all of the four elements to obliterate a opponent that was already defeated, Thrall didn't win the fight, he butchered Garrosh and enjoyed it, in that moment he was an Orc just like Garrosh and his true Horde, revelling in the feeling of annihilating an enemy with overwhelming power and he realized how addicting and easy it was to fall for it. Both the elements, realizing how unhinged Thrall can be didn't want to give him their power anymore.
Yes! Perfect summation of what happened. I admittedly never cared for Thrall, cause aside from establishing the Horde as we know it, he pushed a warrior to be a leader, a warrior who didn't want that role. He abandoned the Horde to go play jesus for Azeroth during the Cataclysm. And when he finally decided to come back to it, he took zero responsibility for his actions causing the Horde to fall apart, instead just pinning everything on Garrosh just cause the orc led the Horde as he thought it should've been led. Does that excuse Garrosh's actions? No. But they wouldn't have happened in the first place if Thrall hadn't left.
Its why i'm honestly glad he lost those shamanistic powers, cause he used them in anger and for power in that moment, and clearly enjoyed it. Now he's just a warrior, and I hope they never put in some way that gives him those shaman powers back
They got lazy with Garrosh, they could of turned him villain in so many other ways, but instead they said. "hmm Nope lets make Garrosh the WoW version of Hitler." I disagree I think had they gone another way and slowly corrupted Garrosh. Hell maybe given him a wife we like, and tried to have an honorable war with the Alliance for (insert reason.) she ends up dying and this is the thing that sends him over the edge. Make his part in Pandaria more about finding a power to bring her back, and this is where he loses his way to the sha, and goes full war criminal. So that we could have something similar to WoD, but not having Garrosh be a straight up Hilter as they decided to make him. ( like where they were headed with that one stone talon mountain quest, but that quest was never suppose to be in the game. because they chose to go with nazi garrosh, but forgot to remove that quest.
AS for WoD. WOD had great story, and story telling untill they decided to cut it off at the knees and not finish the content in Lue of starting on Legion. Not only did we miss out on a huge part of Yrel's story, we lost an entire zone/raid as well.
And to the people that said Thrall Cheated. In a Mak'gora, the rules have to be agreed upon before hand, otherwise its no holds barred. Garrosh's pride over took his wisdom and intelligence. Had he been smart he would of banned Thrall's magic's, but he didn't. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
This video made me re install retail to farm for tusks on manaroth
To everyone claiming that Thrall cheated in final cinematic.: Rules of each individual Mak'gora are set before the duel itself. Same with Varok vs Sylvanas, no one ask before to exclude magic.
Was Garrosh v Thrall a Mak'Gora, or was it just a case of Thrall wanted him dead? If it wasn't a Mak'Gora, does that still count as Thrall cheating? Relatively new to WoW so idk if it's a Mak'Gora rule or just an Orc rule in general
It was a Mak'Gora. Thrall cheated because you are allowed only 1 weapon, and he used his magic when he was losing.
The elements stopped answering his call after the duel, until finally in legion he gave up doomhammer as he faced the fact that he needed to work through what he did, and stepped back to focus on his family.
Using magic is not cheating during Mak'Gora in the game. There were Mak'Gora before this one that used magic and it was not considered cheating.
Thrall lost his connection to the elements because of guilt and self-doubt. He felt guilty for using the elements in a way he viewed as wrong (for vengeance), not because he cheated.
He may not have done a whole lot, but theres no villain I love more than Grand Apothecary Putress
i cannot wait for cata rerelease so badly i am one of the few who love it and is my favorite season
Tbh the Thrall-Garrosh conflict is so real, it's like a parent giving all the responsibilities to a child and without any guidance or without him being ready for it, he screws up and then the parent blames him and says he fails. Bro that crushes my heart.
No. Garrosh could have made different choices and he could have just refused. Garrosh has no redemption thats his whole thing. Do you not remember his spirit in the shadowlands raid? I REGRET NOTHING. Like wtf are you talking about?
@@Valhallen002 I don't think you comprehend how growing up in certain scenarios will literally dictate the person you are. The whole nature vs nurture spiel. If you bring up a child in the worst circumstances, the child isn't at fault for who they've become. Like in an alternate universe, all of the worst leaders/killers could've been very nice people if circumstances were different. So no, Garrosh wouldn't have been able to make different choices due to how he was shaped. Does that help you?
No I stand by what I said. He was a racist and a monster, his pride and ego. These are character flaws and his choices. I've made excuses myself and it doesn't lead anywhere.@@wowandrss
I stand by what I said.@@wowandrss
Explaining why something happens isn't an excuse. You just like the character and I find him pretty boring.@@wowandrss
Sylvie Hands Down
C'mon. She was pure backed into a corner mamma cat frustration unchained! I was riveted.
I miss the TBC/WotlK midnight releases. Better times, better times.
Garrosh taking Thralls orc card 😂
hope the devs banned thrall for cheating
The best villain is pikaboo
Garrosh was the last true warchief
Uhhh no, he let Y'sharjj spelling? corrupt him. He should have refused the title of warchief.
@@Valhallen002 If he was corrupted then how come he's shows no signs of corruption afterwards
"As Garrosh was defeated, the heart and its power dissipated, leaving nothing left of Y'Shaarj's corrupting influence." Plot armor so Thrall could finish him in WOD. @@Asterion_Mol0c
I also find it ironic how he blames Thrall for letting Warlocks practice in the cleft, but then he's totally alright with DARK SHAMAN LOL@@Asterion_Mol0c
I think Arthas is the best villain because hes the most iconic one, but Garrosh is close second, especially because we saw him rise and fall over 5 expansions
Man I love wrath.
MoP was the best piece of new lore they ever did, period
Hell no
What i wouldnt give to live in a fantasy world and hear a orc scream " FOR THE HORDE" while i get roasted the fuck out of my life from a pyroblast
This video made me log on to my orc alt.
For the Horde!
Wouldn't the best villains be someone we both have reason to hate and come together against. Garrosh and Arthas can both be sympathized with. Even Illidan. Now put us against old gods that could give no shits about us, winner chicken dinner.
someone in twitch chat said SoD is bis....so strange
Voljin would've been the best warcheif
But he was war chief :)
ZUL'JIN FOR WARCHIEF
Mak'gora has its traditional rules,
No adding on it. Or its considered cheating.
Var'ok Sauerfang called out sylvanas for a Mak'gora
Yet she used magic to win it.
u can argue she's an elf and has no idea about Orcisch makgoras. But that won't make her not a cheater.
About thrall vs garosh
It was 1v1 between two orcs
And all 1v1 outside a battle is a mak'gora by default.
Thrall himself know that and paid his shamanism as a price for his cheating.
seriously no one is gonna say sylvanis?
no, because the writing that made her an unsympathetic villain was dogshit and never should have been
Its Cairn
Big Xar ❤
Villian
Oh the times when WOW actually wasn't all PG and disnefyed.
It's a shame that Dragonflight is such a PG expansion character and lore wise.
The gearing, classes etc... are amazing.
Who's the best villain in wow?
Someone in the chat: Asmongold
😂😂😂
from arena master to react andy :D . no i still love you :P
20:22 wrong again xar
Garrosh did nothing wrong! Also spells are not allowed in a Mak'gora..
Illdan🥺
jesus christ man, you say there's a "little" of the lore you don't know. But tell the truth, do you know any of it?
If these are blizzard cinematics, it’s pretty cringe… if its not, then they are pretty good
xaryuuuu babyyy
Cairne was winning the Mak’gora until the poison set in, Cairne>Garrosh
guldan 100%
I really like Xar but his reactions are far from fair use tbh, he doesn’t really add any commentary he just watches it, which is fine ofc but the weird part is he uploads it on his utube channel 😅
Kil'Jaeden/Sargeras are the best villains in WoW. Arthas was just a man, Garrosh was just an orc. Kil'jaeden used to be Draenei, but become so powerful with the fel he was Sargeras's right hand. Illidan was never really a bad guy. Azshara is even more interesting than Garry.
PvE Warlords sucked.. But I loved the PvP..
Illidan did nothing wrong, he wasnt a villain.
i think garrosh was a great villain
Xar "Is it actually Karen" Yu
PlatinumWoW truly butchered some names Xar.
you are right
Arthas was the best
xaryu just becoming asmongold with these reacts fkn sad
Bro thinks he is asmongold
asmongold is a tedious edgelord, xaryu is a genuine person with humility
Arthas is better his story is very tragic and meaningful as garrosh was just a brute bubblehead who abused felroids
I don't want "the war within" or whatever that next wow expansion is called, I want them to go back to WoD and make it good
first !!!!!!
borign